The "Plain Awkward #relatable" girl who has no luck with guys but mysteriously manages to have the best looking guy in the world ever pining after her. UGHHHHHHHH. I hate it when every male character a female protagonist meets falls in love with her. Bella is one. It happens in series I love as well. I'm sorry but Cleo from Falling Kingdoms fits this trope too! Does taste never factor in to someone's attractiveness? I remember in If I Stay Mia is mooning after Adam and her best friend says "he's not my type" and I was like THANK YOU!
+MusicBooksTV Omg that totally does happen with Cleo but I love it because she is queen. But you are totally right. It also happens with Celaena in ToG. Every freaking time a male character pops up, he's in love with her. So annoying.
I hate it even more when it's the guy who has been in love with his best friend forever and just doesn't think is fair she falls for someone else cause he's "the one who's always been there". UGH GET OVER YOURSELF
I hate how girl antagonists are portrayed in stories (LOOKING AT YOU WATTPAD ROMANCE WRITERS). Apparently the only way to make it painfully clear who the villain is is to make them slutty, wear revealing clothes, wear make up, be skinny and tall, and have blonde hair and have them needlessly bully the girl for no reason. Also, the 'I bully you but we used to be friends' thing. Maybe that really does happen, but I see it ALL the time on wattpad stories and it gets old. Ok this turned into a rant but WATTPAD is full of tropes that I hate so I could go on forever about this.
Oh Wattpad. Was such a good idea and while there are a few gems among the rubble, it really has gotten out of hand. And now I'm seeing those kind of stories being published as YA and NA. Might have to stick to older publications to get some good reads.
I hate the "I'm better then all girls because I read" and then they form into the girl they thought themselves better than, I was like that in middle school to a degree and it annoys me the hell to read it.
I personally don't enjoy the 'Manic Pixie Dream Girl/Boy' trope. The one where the protagonist is all sad and/or boring but their life is turned upside down by a free-spirited, amazing, supercool character who teaches them how to *live* (like Augustus from The Fault In Our Stars)
I think my most hated trope is probably something I'm going to call the "mandatory love interest." This is when it feels like a character's only contribution to a story is to be a romantic interest. It's a trope you can see in a lot of different genres, all across the gender board. This pops up for me a lot of with love triangles, because a lot of the time, I feel like at least one of the legs' only purpose is to cause romantic tension. They have no other contribution to the story and I hate hate hate it.
@@helena_8478 like, give me more best friends. Give me more siblings. Give me more people who are drawn to each other and loyal to each other and deeply nuanced and connected to each other in ways that are Not Romantic
I have such a disliking towards the girls who bash other girls to make themselves "unique" trope. Like they will actively avoid anything feminine for the ultimately terrifying horror of being labeled as a "normal girl". And the girls who are so annoyingly dependent! I get it if you've never fought a day in your life and suddenly you're thrust into a world where there are dangers everywhere, so you let someone save you, but wouldn't it be smart to learn how to fight after that? You can't just constantly rely on everyone around you! And also the bad boy trope where they're mean to the love interest at first but it was only to distance themselves so they don't fall in love, but then they do anyway and are a completely different person around the love interest. That doesn't happen buddy. Most times if a guy is a douche to you that's his personality and as far as his respect for you will go. In which case you should let that mango. Plus, it gives everyone who reads it an unfair perception that you can change and fix someone to your liking. I have so many more I could talk about but let's stop here.
I hate the bad boy tropes . You know how the bad boy cant fall in love but he falls in love with an awkward girl and at first he denies it but then when she is in danger he saves her and then they start having a relationship . and most of the time he is very rich and his parents dont give him love . If you are a wattpad reader you know what ı am talking about . anndd a
Oh I hate those, that's why I stopped reading wattpad. That site was filled with those kind of story, if it isn't that kind, it would be when the guy is abusive and then the girl will slowly change him. Not my cup of tea, I would say. Though those stories usually get thousands of reads, I don't get it.
One trope I hate is the "any eye color that's not brown" trope, its a little thing but come on give brown eyed people some love too! A second trope I hate is the unnecessary rivalry between girls. You know the whole "____ is a total b**** for no reason and I am her poor unfortunate target" and that just goes until someone tells ___ off, a lot of the time it's the Hunky Male Love, and its over. Not really the best message to send to a younger reading audience that girls will be b****es for no reason and the only way for it to be handled is if a hunky prince tells her off for you!
1. Insta-love 2. Bigger then your britches (Girl decides she can't wait for help and goes off to do (thing) by herself without telling anyone and gets in a bad situation....kidnapped, lost, trapped, etc.) 3. Gullible trusting characters aka I'm going to run upstairs while someone is chasing me. 4. miscommunication (what are you waiting for spill it and get on with your life) 5. Bad-ass girl doesn't take shit from nobody then cries like a baby and becomes psychotic when dumped/boy needs a break/thinks boy is dead.
I hate the "special snowflake syndrome". Aka Main character gets all these abilities that they should've have and haven't been seen for a 100 years and blah blah blah. Lack of depth in male book characters!
I think the only love triangle scenario I've ever been okay with is the one between Ron, Hermione and Krum in Goblet of Fire. I just liked it because it wasn't as exaggerated as other instances in my opinion.
I really hate the miscommunication trope too! I've read a handful of books that had that and it frustrated me so much. Insta-love is definitely my top hated trope.
Miscommunication drives me insane! That would probably be my number one most hated right before instalove. BEFORE INSTALOVE and love triangles, that's how much I hate it.
I can't stand the "I will never fall in love because that is for fools, I avoid men like the plague and will never be in love" girl and the "bad boy heartthrob" that will come along and BINGO she falls in love. In general bad boys get on my nerves, but it's even more annoying when the main character swears off all chances for relationships and then suddenly "can't get the irresistible hunky bad boy out of her head". It just gets old for me. I'd rather read something else.
Oh my God, that Beautiful Disaster book was genuinely terrifying. That dude was so abusive that I actually got angry. I wasn't annoyed, it made me furious. And it's so scary to me that a woman wrote it and sold it to young girls. Like, what is in this woman's head for her to think that writing that was okay? She genuinely, I say this WITHOUT snark...must have some issues she needs to work out with a doctor. She should go do that instead of writing things that set back her own gender and put poisonous, warped ideas in young girls minds.
Maialeen I think it's also clear when an author has never been a victim of abuse and they write about it. If they had been, they wouldn't be writing about it or they'd at least turn the story around and show the reader how disgusting and vile abuse it. It makes me feel sick that authors romanticise abuse and yet they've never experienced the trauma of it. I wouldn't wish domestic abuse on my worst enemy but they clearly need to get their heads out of their arses, do some research and at least try to empathise with a victim of some form of abuse.
while I have a lot (and I do mean a LOT) of most hated tropes, I will have to pick Draco In Leather Pants as my most hated trope. Draco In Leather Pants is a trope where basically you have these two love interests that have really opposing personalities and morals and values and then one or both of their personalities are just fucking gone because of "love". this is mostly done in fan fiction (hence the name) but it does happen in a few books.
I'm not a big fan of romance in general (I'm here for some kickass epic fantasy not some boring ass drama I've seen 1000 times) smh. The romance in books seem forced to me in general. It has to be very well written if I'm gonna enjoy it.
What always drives me crazy is when the mentors of a character withhold information from said character in order to "protect them". How on earth does not knowing vital information help a person? IT DOESN'T! Tell them what's going on!!!
I love that you dislike the "bad (abusive) boy" as much as I do. It's fine to have a character in an unhealthy relationship as long as it's not glorified! And hopefully she gets out of that relationship safely, because it can be done. Writers just need to think of what message they want to send to young girls. Another one I hate that seems to be prevalent is when a character somehow always has this natural ability to be good at everything and they're super successful and get amazing grades and save the world. What ever happened to working for your successes? I like those characters.
I hate when the best friends falling in love is depicted that way; it's one of my biggest pet peeves. But if it's about 2 friends genuinely having feelings for each other and for some reason not admitting it, it's one of my favorite tropes of all time, along with the hate to love trope
I also hate it when two character who have been dating agree on having a long distance relationship because one of them is moving away, but then one of them meets somebody new and falls for them or even cheats on their "loved one" within a few days! What the heck?! Long distance relationships can and do work out for many couples!
I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you just said, but what really gets to me is the 'I've never thrown a punch in my entire life but I can still back handspring ninja kick you in the face because WHY THE HELL NOT!' Just...gimme an MC that breaks their knuckles on someone else's elbow...please XP
+Lunasa Parkinson LOL YES! When someone is completely untrained but after like 2 weeks they can wield a sword perfectly and beat out the master assassin that is teaching them...?
I included the best-friend-turned-love-interest in my top 5 as well! I mostly think that trope just doesn't have an opportunity for chemistry-build up, since the characters already know each other for what, their whole life?
I hate the "beautiful but broken boy" who is intelligent and always questioning the meaning of life but has some dark things in his past so he can't be with the main character. That is so annoying for example finch in all the bright places. Ugh
I hate the trope in a Love Triangle when some of them already has a boy/girlfriend. ugh I hate it so much because it hurts all involved (there are exceptions) this was my problem with Lola and the boy next door ://
No, I loved Anna and the french kiss but the aspect that Etienne already had a girlfriend was kind of meh 😅. Anna is the best in the series. Lola just disappointed me to no end for various reasons 😕 Have you read the Anna/Lola/Isla Series?:)) (And thanks for replying)
I was inspired to join the top 5 group and start making these videos after watching all you guys having so much fun in them! For my video I mention misconceptions, instalove, lack of self confidence, the orphan, and straight up stupid. It was so much to make! Im looking forward to next week too. Thanks for inspiring me to try making these!
I hate the "Not like other girls" trope... Like, any main female character who describes herself like that instantly makes me put the book down. It's just so annoying because what does it even mean? That you're cool? (so other girls aren't cool?) That you're a Tomboy? (So that makes you cool? because other girls are so icky and girly and stupid?). I just don't get it... it usually goes hand in hand with the "badass girl" trope which is basically just a "not like other girls" who's really really tomboyish with a heaping spoonful of violence because killing things is cool...
The "I love you, but I'm going to treat you like dirt because I'm DAMAGED" thing is literally a book-closer for me. I won't. There's no reason, nope nope nopity nope.
This isn't really a trope but it still really drives me crazy: when the main character is just totally ok with Killing other people, and there's no explanation why. I hope that made sense
Like you said I just really hate it when characters jump to conclusions about their friends or enemies or crushes and never really talk it out- sometimes it works but I'm always waiting for the discussion that's so so needed that sometimes never even happens arghh
LOL xD Loved the montage of instalove books! None of which I've read and will make a note not to unless I am completely out of books I want to read.. which I can't imagine happening;; I didn't know New Moon trope was a thing but that sounds awful. I would be irritated by that too.
I love that you actually gave examples! So few BookTubers do. Not sure I agree with your assessment of the Hunger Games though. Gale liked Katniss before Peeta came along. It was Katniss who didn't consider Gale that way until Peeta made his move. :P Great video :)
You hit all of them spot on! Every single one I hate; I just can't stand any of those tropes. But when you were talking about the best friend love triangle thing and you held up Ruin and Rising I couldn't help but sigh remembering that book. I absolutely hate Mal ughhhhhh Man I could go on and on about all the tropes you mentioned but I'd just be repeating you haha I love your channel keep up the great work! (that won't be hard for you though because you're just so amazing)
Actually all the tropes you mentioned and a few more get on my nerves for the simple reason that they underestimate the reader's intelligence and compromise (in a way) real life expectations.
When you raised Ruin & Rising for the 'best-friend-suddenly-in-love-with-MC' I literally yelled, "Hallelujah!" I hated Mal so much. Ugh! I agree 100% with your list though - nice job. :)
ahhh i hate insta-love so much as well. Was recently trying to read Black Widow - Forever Red (bc i was actually expecting it to be about Natasha, which was only barely true) and omg the insta-love in that book is sickening. This one boy has literally known this girl a few hours and he's ready to follow her anywhere. A FEW HOURS.
I didnt get far enough into Matched to get to the instalove, I read 5 chapters and stopped- thought the world flat. What you said about the splitting up in book2: I agree! I stopped reading a few books because if it. I get frustrated and makes it less enjoyable for me.
I totally agree with you on most of these, if not all. Some of my hated tropes are insta-love, love triangles (when done poorly, otherwise I like them), the "damsel in distress" kind of thing where the female of the book has to rely on a "savior" to get through anything (bleh), the "everyone's attractive as all hell" thing. I don't even know if that's a trope, but it's soooo common in YA. Like, "wow, he's so hot, with cerulean eyes and long, dark chocolate hair, and blahblah." ...yeah.
love the video and how animated you are about the tropes you hate :) number one drives me insane, it doesn't happen and can often been tied to the bad boy trope sadly :/
As someone who's gay, I'm kinda tired of the "tragic gay" storylines. Most prevalent right now in media is The 100. I never get around to really watching, unlike some of my friends, and I'm glad I didn't because I would've been in a world of anger. Another trope I see a lot that I hate is the "love subplot takes over the actual plot". Or at least when every other thought that the character has is about the love interest(s).
+Thief of Pies Ugh I hear you on the 100. I'm still catching up with the series but I'm SO MAD about it. What burns me up is the writers admitted they knew about the "kill your gays" trope and still decided to write that in, saying they thought they could do it justice. In what world could they possibly think they could "do it justice?" That's not something that you "do justice"!!! Ok... whew.. rant over.
I agree with all of those 100%! One of my other most hated tropes is A Character Thinking They're Invincible. I hate that in some series the main character (cough cough Tris in Insurgent & Allegiant) totally ignore that they're not alone, and think they have to be the one to save everyone from everything, only to be put in a worse situation. I totally made that trope up, I think, but it's the one that I absolutely can't stand.
Hahahaha, I'm sorry about #2 being in the Grisha trilogy for your sake. I was actually thinking about how much that must have peeved you when you were describing it. also re: the gloriousness of a good slow burn romance. This is something Rae Carson does so well, ugh it's so good.
Yes! I agree with everything mentioned here :) I hate fake strong female heroines. Readers turn a blind eye to how crappy the main character actually is just because she is described as being skilled in combat or the world's best assassin etc. When in reality this type of character has a very weak personality, she can't even perceive when she is in danger, she is just some spoiled whiny teenage girl who ends up being saved by others. Just because a female character can beat people up, or she possesses masculine qualities doesn't mean she is a strong female character. Having integrity, resilience, a strong desire to protect, a strong desire to survive, if a fierce sense of compassionate, intelligence, being observant and perceptive etc. these are some of the traits of a strong female heroine, in my opinion. The worst part of this trope is that people think the fake strong female heroine is a positive role model for girls when she isn't any better than the weak female characters they hated in the first place.
I hate it when the characters who are in love get separated or cannot be together for a short amount of time due to circumstances but they promise to get back to each other and be together soon. However, one of the character falls for someone else while the other one is gone and suddenly there's this love triangle!
I hate the trope when girls are "though" after discovering her powers and is the chosen one. Like before they are living a normal life until something happens and they are ok with the situation, I mean I would be scared. I don't know, and that happens a lot in dystopian YA novels.
Your montages are great 😂 My most hated trope is probably when the author thinks the only way for a book to be any good is by adding in unnecessary romance and completely diverge from the point of the story. A romance is not required for a book/series to be great.
Use your words! Sometimes I feel like I'm mentally screaming this at books. I hate nearly all of things too especially the best friend thing. *shakes fist at grisha trilogy*
Urgh! Yes to ALL of these but ESPECIALLY the love triangles with the best friend! Generally any love triangle where one choice is clearly better than the other and you know how it's going to end but you go through 150+ pages of the character debating it 😩😩😒
I hate tropes when a character tells the heroine to 'stay put' and she never does, which is annoying because 1st it's stupid, 2nd, it puts EVERYTHING at risk. Also really hates the supposed 'bravery' actions that are just. plain. stupid. And REALLY annoying.
I don't like love triangles - although I've just read Nightshade by Andrea Cremer which sort of has one - I gave that book 5 stars. I can't stand them normally though :(. As for "insta-love" I actually really like it. You often get to see the characters fall in love and so get to know each other over a few chapters. For me this works as the story can keep progressing from there. Whereas if the couple don't get together for a whole book that seems like the waste of a book to me. Then you've only got 2 books (if it's a trilogy) to see the relationship develop. I also like them getting to know each other in insta-love books. The new moon phase is very annoying though. I totally agree with you there!
+sakurahan91 See I'm the exact opposite. I want them to get to know each other before actually being in a relationship and saying I love you. If it's only a few chapters, I find it very hard to believe or connect to.
I literally screamed "YESSSS!!" at my computer when you said the best friends falling in love trope. THANK YOU!!! I hate that with a burning passion, and it is what made me not like The Grisha as much as I probably would have, had it not been for Mal and his stupid supid behaviour. Another book this happened in was.. eh.. Harry Potter. Twice, if you think about it. Yep. Hated that, too. I only liked it in an epic fantasy series I've read a while ago, and that was beause it was very well dealth (dealed?) with, and it wasn't in any way a love triangle, nor was it insta-lovey, it was just really great (that series is by Licia Troisi, btw, but I don't think you guys actually have the entire trilogy translated in English yet, as it was originally writen in italian) Insta love is also a really bad turn off for me, so there's that... I'm beginning to think we have really similar opinions and taste in books, so I will for sure trust your jugment when it comes to books I want to read in the future! Thank you for always saying what I'm thinking, and thanks for the great video (and amazing lipstick recommanations)!
I know what you mean about best friends falling in love, but I personally love when people become friends or were friends and then fall in love. To me this makes a better relationship because they already like being with each other. However, I am not a fan of love triangles so I agree with you there.
+casey s I'm okay with best friends falling in love when it isn't part of a love triangle. Then it is really cute. But when it's a love triangle, the best friend is always the guy that never know what he had until it's gone and it makes me hate him.
Yup, agreed on all. I also hate a slight variation of the description of the Best Friend In A Love Triangle trope, which is when the friend has loved them all along, but never told them until they're with someone, and then goes all angsty or hurt or broody or "why didn't you pick me?!" over it. Well, maybe you should have MENTIONED IT BEFORE NOW. Also, I suppose it's more of a plot device really, but in fantasy I hate the Important Magical Object trope. It's usually a stone, or a ring, or a crown, or a sword, with magical powers of some world-changing significance. I'm just sick of it really.
Late comment but if there's a character who's abusive but the book's a comment on how bad that is then do you still hate it, because I think they are so important
+Beccabokka No those characters and books I really enjoy. I think bad characters are excellent to have in books, because not everyone is a good person. It's just important for the narrative to not romanticize it. That's when I have a problem with it.
Completely agree about the best friend situation, especially in a triangle. It just makes me read the object of affection as being a bit pathetic, not having enough balls to say "Do you know what, no, you didn't realise until someone else wanted me. Too late". Then I begin to dislike them and I've already switched off. Insta-love has to be the ultimate worst. It makes me cringe so much. I also feel awful for younger readers who think that it is realistic and how life works. Ugh.
+SydneyKav Whenever a book starts with a pre-page one love interest in a best friend form, I always get really nervous for the love triangle that will happen where I will inevitably hate that best friend.
I just found you and I must say, I think you're my book soulmate. You might say it was... insta love :D With most youtubers I agree/disagree in some points but after watching a few of your videos I've yet to find something I disagree on. I guess it's time I go goodreads stalking. Needless to say, I also really disline all the mentioned tropes. Especially the miscommunication and the love tirangle with the best friend. I don't like love triangles at all because few are well done in my opinion, but it's WAY worse if best friends are involved. "Oh, I didn't even notice how perfect you are until you found someone else. Now I have to have you!" What bullshit. It reminds me of my nephew when he's with someone and they want to play with some toy. He wants to take it away from them, not because he wants to play with it but because he doesn't want others to play with it.
So many of these get a big YES from me, especially the miscommunication crap and the abusive bad boy, though I give ZERO passes for genre there. One of the most used tags on my recap blog is USE YOUR WORDS because eff that plot device. Sorry, feelings.
+mynameismarines I totally understand. Every time I read the miscommunication plot, my blood is boiling. The only one I've read and enjoyed was The Winner's Crime, as that story has an actual compelling reason for the characters not talking.
I agree on all your tropes especially the best friend one. I'm okay with best friends fAlling in love but then if it's a love triangle I hate it is annoying.
Is there an angst trope? The main reason I read very few new adult books is because they all seem so heavy in angst and I just can't take it. Especially when the girl has some tragic event in her past that's completely solved by a guy she meets. Ugh. I feel your pain in the miscommunication trope. When I was younger and reading romances they were ALL centered around miscommunication. I can't stand it.
OMG I said the exact same thing to my friends regarding the best friend love triangle thing! If the best friend was so in love with the protagonist then why did they wait 17 years to tell them and only now realise it when someone else comes along ugh it is so annoying and happens all the time i hate it!! You could not have explained it better lol
Agreed to the miscommunication thing. I almost stopped reading a novel last week because it came up in the first couple chapters. And i don't mind best friends falling in love when it's with gradualness and reason. Like character growth of some sort that allows them to see each other as love interests. But when its "makeover" or "Hey, this dud likes my chick"- not cool.
+Inspector Spinda LOL no I actually don't review the romance genre at all. I just happen to think that some of the worst tropes are related to the romance in books most times. Those tend to annoy me the most.
+Thoughts on Tomes I don't read much romance at all. I started Twilight only because I've heard such mixed opinions on it. As you maybe can tell I'm into Mystery/Crime stories. I also like action/fantasy and I think one terrible trope is the prophecy/chosen one. Weird thing about prophecies is that all of them all self fulfilling if you think about it. I also hate the villains turning good trope on most occasions. I feel villains are often the most passionate and spirited of the characters. When the become good at the end, they tend to lose most of their spirit and just mop and dope, feeling sorry that they did all the bad things they did. HATE. However, I'm ok with it when they end up happier as a result or keep aspects of their old personalities.
my main thing is that im fine with most insta loves, just as long as they have been in a situation where they got to know each other at least a little bit. but if it boils down to the love interest or saving the world, the choice should always be the saving the world. I know you have a great connection with a person but your own selfish needs do not excuse whatever consequences come from choosing the love interest over saving the world.
I hate insta-love but I most ESPECIALLY hate love triangles. To be quite honest with you, that is one of the things I loved about Divergent. It was always just Tris and Four. Always. I needed that lol. But one question: how did you feel about Cleo insta-loving Theon? And then forgetting about him until Magnus threw it in her face?
+Jonathan Owens OMG I HATED THE CLEO THEON ROMANCE! I did not care a single bit. We didn't see any of their development at all. We were just told they were together a lot. Ugh.... I hated it. I prefer her with any of the guys she's actually gotten to know over time in the series.
Did you read it in the original German? Ive gotten so many comments from people who read it in German and love it so I think a lot of the problems were with the translation.
Thoughts on Tomes No, I read the Finnish version :) but maybe there is something wrong with the English version? Didn't they change the names of some characters for the English translation eg. Gwendolyn -> Gwyneth or something like that?
yes to the new moon trope. HATE that!! i also hate insta-love, the manic pixie dream girl love interest (it's why i only read TFIOS and no other john green books) and love triangles where the girl cannot decide on which guy she likes more and spends the entire book/series obsessing about it. other kind of love triangles i'm okay with.
i love you so much hahaha! you made me laugh out loud so thank you. mine are insta-love, the girl that everyone thinks is hot but she doesnt notice, love triangles and definitely the best friend thing
+Joana Sousa (The Bookish Diaries) aw thank you :))) Omg the characters that are so oblivious to their good looks?? Come on. So unbelievable. What.. no one told you how good you looked until this one person? I doubt it.
I hate the overlooked best friend trope too. It certainly doesn’t help that it so often falls into the men and women can’t be friend’s pitfall that really annoys me. one you didn’t mention is the evil romantic rival where they give the love interest a horrible current boy/girlfriend, fiancée etc. it’s like the writer is saying, well I can’t give you any good reason these two should break up so let’s just make the rival a jerk.
The best friend thing to me as well! Ugh, I hate it most times and don't usually or ever root for the best friend. What I dislike most about those is the best friend is usually like mad that the girl might be into someone else, like she had to be into him even if he hasn't done anything to move them along. And he has had YEARS! The only one where I can like the beat friend was Gale, because I think it was, at least to me very obvious that he loved and wanted Katniss since the begging he even tries to confess it right before they take her to The Hunger games but he gets pulled out of the room before he can say it. But the reason I forgive him most of all is because I feel like the reason he didn't go after Katniss before is because she wouldn't like it, she wasn't ready for something like that and he knew and he was waiting for her. Later on after everything with Peeta it seemed easier that she might actually responded to his advances. Either way he is practically the only one I like I really mostly dislike every other childhood best friend.
+Amelle Kyre YES! He gets all jealous. And it's like excuse you!!! You had your chance. You don't own her! I actually don't hate Gale either. I wasn't rooting for him, but that triangle made sense. She would have ended up with Gale if she hadn't gone to the games.
Definitely cannot stand the abusive bad boy! I used to always search for bad boy novels, when I felt like reading strictly romance, now I can't stand them. It seems bad boy and abusive are synonymous. The worst one I've come across is After by Anna Todd.
So agree with all of these! The New Moon trope is probably my worst. Everyone hates it, so why do authors keep doing it? My sister will stop reading series when that happens because it just ruins it. I don't know if this is an actual trope, but I don't like the stalker types. It's usually the male lead. How in any way is it romantic for someone to be following you around watching you without your knowledge? I feel like Twilight romanticized it, and everyone else just plays off of it. We always laughed in the movies when Edward was being a creeper. Totally not cool or realistic.
Two of my most hated tropes that aren't usually mentioned but that grate at my nerves are the Tragic!Gays (especially in genre fiction where the LGBT character is just another character) and my personal pet peeve is The Self-Imposed Martyr. That one person who decided that they would hurt others and take the blame and apparently save the world for the other characters' "own good". its rare but when i see it I haaaaate it.
God I L O V E the best friend being in love with the main character. I have a thing for unrequited love, though. Especially when it's requited at the end
the trope i hate the most is probably the "i'm not like other girls" trope. ugh. it drives me crazy!
UGH RIGHT?! I hate it in real life and I hate it in fiction.
Exactly! The implication is that there's something wrong with 'other girls'. Which has a whole list of problems...just ugh.
Omg yes! Say no to internalized misogyny!
The "Plain Awkward #relatable" girl who has no luck with guys but mysteriously manages to have the best looking guy in the world ever pining after her. UGHHHHHHHH. I hate it when every male character a female protagonist meets falls in love with her. Bella is one. It happens in series I love as well. I'm sorry but Cleo from Falling Kingdoms fits this trope too! Does taste never factor in to someone's attractiveness? I remember in If I Stay Mia is mooning after Adam and her best friend says "he's not my type" and I was like THANK YOU!
+MusicBooksTV Omg that totally does happen with Cleo but I love it because she is queen. But you are totally right. It also happens with Celaena in ToG. Every freaking time a male character pops up, he's in love with her. So annoying.
I hate it even more when it's the guy who has been in love with his best friend forever and just doesn't think is fair she falls for someone else cause he's "the one who's always been there". UGH GET OVER YOURSELF
SAME
a yes the classic "Nice Guy"who forgets that actual nice people dont get offended by someone not reciprocating their feelings .
I hate how girl antagonists are portrayed in stories (LOOKING AT YOU WATTPAD ROMANCE WRITERS). Apparently the only way to make it painfully clear who the villain is is to make them slutty, wear revealing clothes, wear make up, be skinny and tall, and have blonde hair and have them needlessly bully the girl for no reason. Also, the 'I bully you but we used to be friends' thing. Maybe that really does happen, but I see it ALL the time on wattpad stories and it gets old. Ok this turned into a rant but WATTPAD is full of tropes that I hate so I could go on forever about this.
Oh Wattpad. Was such a good idea and while there are a few gems among the rubble, it really has gotten out of hand. And now I'm seeing those kind of stories being published as YA and NA. Might have to stick to older publications to get some good reads.
Wattpad is the place I go to when I have no money for books...which is very rare xD
The I bully you but we used to be friend, did happen to me, but I can guarantee not all bullies have that tragic back story.
I hate the "I'm better then all girls because I read" and then they form into the girl they thought themselves better than, I was like that in middle school to a degree and it annoys me the hell to read it.
I personally don't enjoy the 'Manic Pixie Dream Girl/Boy' trope. The one where the protagonist is all sad and/or boring but their life is turned upside down by a free-spirited, amazing, supercool character who teaches them how to *live* (like Augustus from The Fault In Our Stars)
I think my most hated trope is probably something I'm going to call the "mandatory love interest." This is when it feels like a character's only contribution to a story is to be a romantic interest. It's a trope you can see in a lot of different genres, all across the gender board. This pops up for me a lot of with love triangles, because a lot of the time, I feel like at least one of the legs' only purpose is to cause romantic tension. They have no other contribution to the story and I hate hate hate it.
I hate necessary romance in general. As someone who doesn't like it at all I always wondered why can't writers grasp the idea of platonic love .
@@helena_8478 like, give me more best friends. Give me more siblings. Give me more people who are drawn to each other and loyal to each other and deeply nuanced and connected to each other in ways that are Not Romantic
@@LibraryFairy762 Exactly that!
I have such a disliking towards the girls who bash other girls to make themselves "unique" trope. Like they will actively avoid anything feminine for the ultimately terrifying horror of being labeled as a "normal girl". And the girls who are so annoyingly dependent! I get it if you've never fought a day in your life and suddenly you're thrust into a world where there are dangers everywhere, so you let someone save you, but wouldn't it be smart to learn how to fight after that? You can't just constantly rely on everyone around you! And also the bad boy trope where they're mean to the love interest at first but it was only to distance themselves so they don't fall in love, but then they do anyway and are a completely different person around the love interest. That doesn't happen buddy. Most times if a guy is a douche to you that's his personality and as far as his respect for you will go. In which case you should let that mango. Plus, it gives everyone who reads it an unfair perception that you can change and fix someone to your liking. I have so many more I could talk about but let's stop here.
I actually quite enjoyed New Moon, cause Edward was gone and I was like "yay!" XD
Then he came back and:"Ugh!"
I hate the bad boy tropes . You know how the bad boy cant fall in love but he falls in love with an awkward girl and at first he denies it but then when she is in danger he saves her and then they start having a relationship . and most of the time he is very rich and his parents dont give him love . If you are a wattpad reader you know what ı am talking about . anndd a
Oh I hate those, that's why I stopped reading wattpad. That site was filled with those kind of story, if it isn't that kind, it would be when the guy is abusive and then the girl will slowly change him. Not my cup of tea, I would say. Though those stories usually get thousands of reads, I don't get it.
Yeah agreed. I was really into wattpad for ages but then I just saw badboy books EVERYWHERE. It got so annoying
Yes. Omg! It is the worst. Especially in the werewolf-mate stories. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
Artist in the Shadows I don't read the werewolf-mate stories for that reason
Iqra Arshad I started avoiding them myself after a while. I mean, I found one or two good ones, but good grief.
One trope I hate is the "any eye color that's not brown" trope, its a little thing but come on give brown eyed people some love too!
A second trope I hate is the unnecessary rivalry between girls. You know the whole "____ is a total b**** for no reason and I am her poor unfortunate target" and that just goes until someone tells ___ off, a lot of the time it's the Hunky Male Love, and its over. Not really the best message to send to a younger reading audience that girls will be b****es for no reason and the only way for it to be handled is if a hunky prince tells her off for you!
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1. Insta-love 2. Bigger then your britches (Girl decides she can't wait for help and goes off to do (thing) by herself without telling anyone and gets in a bad situation....kidnapped, lost, trapped, etc.) 3. Gullible trusting characters aka I'm going to run upstairs while someone is chasing me. 4. miscommunication (what are you waiting for spill it and get on with your life) 5. Bad-ass girl doesn't take shit from nobody then cries like a baby and becomes psychotic when dumped/boy needs a break/thinks boy is dead.
+BingeReader Omg all of these made me seethe with anger. #2 is Feyre from ACOTAR.
Insta-love for me is more like insta-hate cause I instantly hate their relationship! ALSO New Moon phase sucks I hate when books or series do that!!
+Jbooklover Absolutely! If I sense insta-love, I am not going to like the romance at all.
I hate the "special snowflake syndrome". Aka Main character gets all these abilities that they should've have and haven't been seen for a 100 years and blah blah blah.
Lack of depth in male book characters!
+MooniGaming LOL yeah that's a mary-sue!
+Jif PeanutButter Yep.
I think the only love triangle scenario I've ever been okay with is the one between Ron, Hermione and Krum in Goblet of Fire. I just liked it because it wasn't as exaggerated as other instances in my opinion.
Amelia Ruth and with Lavender in the Half Blood Prince.
ugh Lavender.
It wasn't over exaggerated, it it wasn't the focus, and it didn't have anything to do with the main character.
I really hate the miscommunication trope too! I've read a handful of books that had that and it frustrated me so much. Insta-love is definitely my top hated trope.
Miscommunication drives me insane! That would probably be my number one most hated right before instalove. BEFORE INSTALOVE and love triangles, that's how much I hate it.
Same. Miscommunication is the most frustrating one of them all! It just makes me want to stop reading the book :l
I can't stand the "I will never fall in love because that is for fools, I avoid men like the plague and will never be in love" girl and the "bad boy heartthrob" that will come along and BINGO she falls in love. In general bad boys get on my nerves, but it's even more annoying when the main character swears off all chances for relationships and then suddenly "can't get the irresistible hunky bad boy out of her head". It just gets old for me. I'd rather read something else.
The guy and girl who hate each other in the beginning but are obviously getting together in the end.
Oh my God, that Beautiful Disaster book was genuinely terrifying. That dude was so abusive that I actually got angry. I wasn't annoyed, it made me furious. And it's so scary to me that a woman wrote it and sold it to young girls. Like, what is in this woman's head for her to think that writing that was okay? She genuinely, I say this WITHOUT snark...must have some issues she needs to work out with a doctor. She should go do that instead of writing things that set back her own gender and put poisonous, warped ideas in young girls minds.
Maialeen I think it's also clear when an author has never been a victim of abuse and they write about it. If they had been, they wouldn't be writing about it or they'd at least turn the story around and show the reader how disgusting and vile abuse it. It makes me feel sick that authors romanticise abuse and yet they've never experienced the trauma of it. I wouldn't wish domestic abuse on my worst enemy but they clearly need to get their heads out of their arses, do some research and at least try to empathise with a victim of some form of abuse.
What are some examples?
You shouldn't use blasphemy
while I have a lot (and I do mean a LOT) of most hated tropes, I will have to pick Draco In Leather Pants as my most hated trope. Draco In Leather Pants is a trope where basically you have these two love interests that have really opposing personalities and morals and values and then one or both of their personalities are just fucking gone because of "love". this is mostly done in fan fiction (hence the name) but it does happen in a few books.
To be fair, Gale did make a move on Katniss before the Reaping. Also, he (I think) tried to tell her he loved her before she was taken to the Capitol
Yeah, it was just Katniss who didn't want the affection😂
Yes. And I always rooted for best friends because they know you more.
I'm not a big fan of romance in general (I'm here for some kickass epic fantasy not some boring ass drama I've seen 1000 times) smh. The romance in books seem forced to me in general. It has to be very well written if I'm gonna enjoy it.
What always drives me crazy is when the mentors of a character withhold information from said character in order to "protect them". How on earth does not knowing vital information help a person? IT DOESN'T! Tell them what's going on!!!
+Autumn Eaves OMG YES! Nothing good ever comes from that.
@@ThoughtsOnTomes you shouldn't use blasphemy
I love that you dislike the "bad (abusive) boy" as much as I do. It's fine to have a character in an unhealthy relationship as long as it's not glorified! And hopefully she gets out of that relationship safely, because it can be done. Writers just need to think of what message they want to send to young girls. Another one I hate that seems to be prevalent is when a character somehow always has this natural ability to be good at everything and they're super successful and get amazing grades and save the world. What ever happened to working for your successes? I like those characters.
I hate when the best friends falling in love is depicted that way; it's one of my biggest pet peeves. But if it's about 2 friends genuinely having feelings for each other and for some reason not admitting it, it's one of my favorite tropes of all time, along with the hate to love trope
I also hate it when two character who have been dating agree on having a long distance relationship because one of them is moving away, but then one of them meets somebody new and falls for them or even cheats on their "loved one" within a few days! What the heck?! Long distance relationships can and do work out for many couples!
I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you just said, but what really gets to me is the 'I've never thrown a punch in my entire life but I can still back handspring ninja kick you in the face because WHY THE HELL NOT!'
Just...gimme an MC that breaks their knuckles on someone else's elbow...please XP
+Lunasa Parkinson LOL YES! When someone is completely untrained but after like 2 weeks they can wield a sword perfectly and beat out the master assassin that is teaching them...?
I included the best-friend-turned-love-interest in my top 5 as well! I mostly think that trope just doesn't have an opportunity for chemistry-build up, since the characters already know each other for what, their whole life?
+The Book Leo Yes! It's hard for us to see what is so good about the romance, because we never see it build at all.
I hate the "beautiful but broken boy" who is intelligent and always questioning the meaning of life but has some dark things in his past so he can't be with the main character. That is so annoying for example finch in all the bright places. Ugh
Yes! Love at first sight is infuriating - especially in Romeo and Juliet. I may have done drag to illustrate how silly it is in mine.
I hate the trope in a Love Triangle when some of them already has a boy/girlfriend. ugh I hate it so much because it hurts all involved (there are exceptions) this was my problem with Lola and the boy next door ://
+RiceBunny I've heard that before about Lola. I haven't read it yet. Did you have the same problem with Anna?
No, I loved Anna and the french kiss but the aspect that Etienne already had a girlfriend was kind of meh 😅. Anna is the best in the series. Lola just disappointed me to no end for various reasons 😕 Have you read the Anna/Lola/Isla Series?:)) (And thanks for replying)
RiceBunny I've only read Anna so far but I plan on reading the other two as well!
You should! even if it's just for the sake of finishing a series ;))
I'm so grateful for a non nonsense book blog channel. I love your channel dude. Look forward to your next video
(I know this is over a year later but even caught up on your channel I love it so A+)
"It also happened in here, and everybody knows how that turned out."
LMAO 😂😂
+Paloma Robles It's true! lol
I just love your facial expressions and emphatic exclamations of "no" or "get it away from me" or "I'm not about that". A+
+sophblueberry LOL thank you!
I was inspired to join the top 5 group and start making these videos after watching all you guys having so much fun in them! For my video I mention misconceptions, instalove, lack of self confidence, the orphan, and straight up stupid. It was so much to make! Im looking forward to next week too. Thanks for inspiring me to try making these!
+Devan Baird Aw I'm so glad you joined! They are definitely a fun discussion.
I hate the "Not like other girls" trope... Like, any main female character who describes herself like that instantly makes me put the book down. It's just so annoying because what does it even mean? That you're cool? (so other girls aren't cool?) That you're a Tomboy? (So that makes you cool? because other girls are so icky and girly and stupid?). I just don't get it... it usually goes hand in hand with the "badass girl" trope which is basically just a "not like other girls" who's really really tomboyish with a heaping spoonful of violence because killing things is cool...
YES TO EVERYTHING.
+gracewithabookinherface :))))
The "I love you, but I'm going to treat you like dirt because I'm DAMAGED" thing is literally a book-closer for me. I won't. There's no reason, nope nope nopity nope.
This isn't really a trope but it still really drives me crazy: when the main character is just totally ok with Killing other people, and there's no explanation why.
I hope that made sense
I HATE instalove, and I HATE love triangles, love rectangles, love octagons, whatever.
Like you said I just really hate it when characters jump to conclusions about their friends or enemies or crushes and never really talk it out- sometimes it works but I'm always waiting for the discussion that's so so needed that sometimes never even happens arghh
LOL xD Loved the montage of instalove books! None of which I've read and will make a note not to unless I am completely out of books I want to read.. which I can't imagine happening;; I didn't know New Moon trope was a thing but that sounds awful. I would be irritated by that too.
+JentleStrength The New Moon trope happens so often, especially in paranormal. It's so irritating.
I love that you actually gave examples! So few BookTubers do. Not sure I agree with your assessment of the Hunger Games though. Gale liked Katniss before Peeta came along. It was Katniss who didn't consider Gale that way until Peeta made his move. :P Great video :)
You hit all of them spot on! Every single one I hate; I just can't stand any of those tropes. But when you were talking about the best friend love triangle thing and you held up Ruin and Rising I couldn't help but sigh remembering that book. I absolutely hate Mal ughhhhhh Man I could go on and on about all the tropes you mentioned but I'd just be repeating you haha
I love your channel keep up the great work! (that won't be hard for you though because you're just so amazing)
+Lindsays Books Aw thank you so much :)
Would you consider Twilight insta-love?
Actually all the tropes you mentioned and a few more get on my nerves for the simple reason that they underestimate the reader's intelligence and compromise (in a way) real life expectations.
Insta love montage was the best!!! I feel your pain. Lol! I have some of the same tropes! Love triangle is definitely in there too! Ugh!!
When you raised Ruin & Rising for the 'best-friend-suddenly-in-love-with-MC' I literally yelled, "Hallelujah!" I hated Mal so much. Ugh! I agree 100% with your list though - nice job. :)
+little-book-kat Bless. I'm so glad you agree. Mal is so underwhelming as a character. He is not worthy.
ahhh i hate insta-love so much as well. Was recently trying to read Black Widow - Forever Red (bc i was actually expecting it to be about Natasha, which was only barely true) and omg the insta-love in that book is sickening. This one boy has literally known this girl a few hours and he's ready to follow her anywhere. A FEW HOURS.
I didnt get far enough into Matched to get to the instalove, I read 5 chapters and stopped- thought the world flat. What you said about the splitting up in book2: I agree! I stopped reading a few books because if it. I get frustrated and makes it less enjoyable for me.
I totally agree with you on most of these, if not all. Some of my hated tropes are insta-love, love triangles (when done poorly, otherwise I like them), the "damsel in distress" kind of thing where the female of the book has to rely on a "savior" to get through anything (bleh), the "everyone's attractive as all hell" thing. I don't even know if that's a trope, but it's soooo common in YA. Like, "wow, he's so hot, with cerulean eyes and long, dark chocolate hair, and blahblah." ...yeah.
love the video and how animated you are about the tropes you hate :) number one drives me insane, it doesn't happen and can often been tied to the bad boy trope sadly :/
As someone who's gay, I'm kinda tired of the "tragic gay" storylines. Most prevalent right now in media is The 100. I never get around to really watching, unlike some of my friends, and I'm glad I didn't because I would've been in a world of anger.
Another trope I see a lot that I hate is the "love subplot takes over the actual plot". Or at least when every other thought that the character has is about the love interest(s).
+Thief of Pies Ugh I hear you on the 100. I'm still catching up with the series but I'm SO MAD about it. What burns me up is the writers admitted they knew about the "kill your gays" trope and still decided to write that in, saying they thought they could do it justice. In what world could they possibly think they could "do it justice?" That's not something that you "do justice"!!! Ok... whew.. rant over.
Can you do a part two? lol
I love this video >
I agree with all of those 100%! One of my other most hated tropes is A Character Thinking They're Invincible. I hate that in some series the main character (cough cough Tris in Insurgent & Allegiant) totally ignore that they're not alone, and think they have to be the one to save everyone from everything, only to be put in a worse situation. I totally made that trope up, I think, but it's the one that I absolutely can't stand.
Hahahaha, I'm sorry about #2 being in the Grisha trilogy for your sake. I was actually thinking about how much that must have peeved you when you were describing it.
also re: the gloriousness of a good slow burn romance. This is something Rae Carson does so well, ugh it's so good.
+BookChats It hurt me so much!
YES! Rae is queen of the slow burning romance!
Yes! I agree with everything mentioned here :) I hate fake strong female heroines. Readers turn a blind eye to how crappy the main character actually is just because she is described as being skilled in combat or the world's best assassin etc. When in reality this type of character has a very weak personality, she can't even perceive when she is in danger, she is just some spoiled whiny teenage girl who ends up being saved by others. Just because a female character can beat people up, or she possesses masculine qualities doesn't mean she is a strong female character. Having integrity, resilience, a strong desire to protect, a strong desire to survive, if a fierce sense of compassionate, intelligence, being observant and perceptive etc. these are some of the traits of a strong female heroine, in my opinion. The worst part of this trope is that people think the fake strong female heroine is a positive role model for girls when she isn't any better than the weak female characters they hated in the first place.
I hate it when the characters who are in love get separated or cannot be together for a short amount of time due to circumstances but they promise to get back to each other and be together soon. However, one of the character falls for someone else while the other one is gone and suddenly there's this love triangle!
I hate the trope when girls are "though" after discovering her powers and is the chosen one. Like before they are living a normal life until something happens and they are ok with the situation, I mean I would be scared. I don't know, and that happens a lot in dystopian YA novels.
Your montages are great 😂 My most hated trope is probably when the author thinks the only way for a book to be any good is by adding in unnecessary romance and completely diverge from the point of the story. A romance is not required for a book/series to be great.
+Franxine Bautista Yes! When you can tell that a romance is just stuck in there and it doesn't flow with the story... ugh.
Use your words! Sometimes I feel like I'm mentally screaming this at books. I hate nearly all of things too especially the best friend thing. *shakes fist at grisha trilogy*
+Julie H Yes! I hate when two characters ALMOST talk about something for an entire book, but never do. Why?? Just say it!
Not hating, but does that mean you don’t be in soulmates reconnecting in book???
Urgh! Yes to ALL of these but ESPECIALLY the love triangles with the best friend! Generally any love triangle where one choice is clearly better than the other and you know how it's going to end but you go through 150+ pages of the character debating it 😩😩😒
I hate tropes when a character tells the heroine to 'stay put' and she never does, which is annoying because 1st it's stupid, 2nd, it puts EVERYTHING at risk. Also really hates the supposed 'bravery' actions that are just. plain. stupid. And REALLY annoying.
I don't like love triangles - although I've just read Nightshade by Andrea Cremer which sort of has one - I gave that book 5 stars. I can't stand them normally though :(.
As for "insta-love" I actually really like it. You often get to see the characters fall in love and so get to know each other over a few chapters. For me this works as the story can keep progressing from there. Whereas if the couple don't get together for a whole book that seems like the waste of a book to me. Then you've only got 2 books (if it's a trilogy) to see the relationship develop. I also like them getting to know each other in insta-love books.
The new moon phase is very annoying though. I totally agree with you there!
+sakurahan91 See I'm the exact opposite. I want them to get to know each other before actually being in a relationship and saying I love you. If it's only a few chapters, I find it very hard to believe or connect to.
Ahhh the miscommunication! I also have that included in my T5W, I didn't have a specific name for it though so I explained really weird haha
+faeriedrugs Miscommunication is the worst!
I literally screamed "YESSSS!!" at my computer when you said the best friends falling in love trope. THANK YOU!!!
I hate that with a burning passion, and it is what made me not like The Grisha as much as I probably would have, had it not been for Mal and his stupid supid behaviour. Another book this happened in was.. eh.. Harry Potter. Twice, if you think about it. Yep. Hated that, too. I only liked it in an epic fantasy series I've read a while ago, and that was beause it was very well dealth (dealed?) with, and it wasn't in any way a love triangle, nor was it insta-lovey, it was just really great (that series is by Licia Troisi, btw, but I don't think you guys actually have the entire trilogy translated in English yet, as it was originally writen in italian)
Insta love is also a really bad turn off for me, so there's that...
I'm beginning to think we have really similar opinions and taste in books, so I will for sure trust your jugment when it comes to books I want to read in the future! Thank you for always saying what I'm thinking, and thanks for the great video (and amazing lipstick recommanations)!
+Theo Potterhead Yes we always seem to agree! Especially when it comes to ships.
Well harry potter is a bad book anyways (witchcraft)
I know what you mean about best friends falling in love, but I personally love when people become friends or were friends and then fall in love. To me this makes a better relationship because they already like being with each other. However, I am not a fan of love triangles so I agree with you there.
+casey s I'm okay with best friends falling in love when it isn't part of a love triangle. Then it is really cute. But when it's a love triangle, the best friend is always the guy that never know what he had until it's gone and it makes me hate him.
Yup, agreed on all. I also hate a slight variation of the description of the Best Friend In A Love Triangle trope, which is when the friend has loved them all along, but never told them until they're with someone, and then goes all angsty or hurt or broody or "why didn't you pick me?!" over it. Well, maybe you should have MENTIONED IT BEFORE NOW. Also, I suppose it's more of a plot device really, but in fantasy I hate the Important Magical Object trope. It's usually a stone, or a ring, or a crown, or a sword, with magical powers of some world-changing significance. I'm just sick of it really.
Late comment but if there's a character who's abusive but the book's a comment on how bad that is then do you still hate it, because I think they are so important
+Beccabokka No those characters and books I really enjoy. I think bad characters are excellent to have in books, because not everyone is a good person. It's just important for the narrative to not romanticize it. That's when I have a problem with it.
+Thoughts on Tomes ahh yeah I completely agree. I'm so tired of the MC falling for the 'abusive bad boy'. Abuse is not attractive. AT ALL
I used to like the "best friend love triangle" trope, but when I think about it now, it's a really unhealthy relationship.
I love your montages ❤️
Completely agree about the best friend situation, especially in a triangle. It just makes me read the object of affection as being a bit pathetic, not having enough balls to say "Do you know what, no, you didn't realise until someone else wanted me. Too late". Then I begin to dislike them and I've already switched off.
Insta-love has to be the ultimate worst. It makes me cringe so much. I also feel awful for younger readers who think that it is realistic and how life works. Ugh.
+SydneyKav Whenever a book starts with a pre-page one love interest in a best friend form, I always get really nervous for the love triangle that will happen where I will inevitably hate that best friend.
I just found you and I must say, I think you're my book soulmate. You might say it was... insta love :D
With most youtubers I agree/disagree in some points but after watching a few of your videos I've yet to find something I disagree on. I guess it's time I go goodreads stalking.
Needless to say, I also really disline all the mentioned tropes. Especially the miscommunication and the love tirangle with the best friend. I don't like love triangles at all because few are well done in my opinion, but it's WAY worse if best friends are involved. "Oh, I didn't even notice how perfect you are until you found someone else. Now I have to have you!" What bullshit. It reminds me of my nephew when he's with someone and they want to play with some toy. He wants to take it away from them, not because he wants to play with it but because he doesn't want others to play with it.
So many of these get a big YES from me, especially the miscommunication crap and the abusive bad boy, though I give ZERO passes for genre there. One of the most used tags on my recap blog is USE YOUR WORDS because eff that plot device. Sorry, feelings.
+mynameismarines I totally understand. Every time I read the miscommunication plot, my blood is boiling. The only one I've read and enjoyed was The Winner's Crime, as that story has an actual compelling reason for the characters not talking.
the everyday chosen one that is average in every conceivable way but they are the chosen one.
I agree on all your tropes especially the best friend one. I'm okay with best friends fAlling in love but then if it's a love triangle I hate it is annoying.
im falling in love with ur channel. i love ur opinions
+LukeSimmer Thank you :)
all good :)
Is there an angst trope? The main reason I read very few new adult books is because they all seem so heavy in angst and I just can't take it. Especially when the girl has some tragic event in her past that's completely solved by a guy she meets. Ugh.
I feel your pain in the miscommunication trope. When I was younger and reading romances they were ALL centered around miscommunication. I can't stand it.
OMG I said the exact same thing to my friends regarding the best friend love triangle thing! If the best friend was so in love with the protagonist then why did they wait 17 years to tell them and only now realise it when someone else comes along ugh it is so annoying and happens all the time i hate it!! You could not have explained it better lol
YES i hate it
Agreed to the miscommunication thing. I almost stopped reading a novel last week because it came up in the first couple chapters.
And i don't mind best friends falling in love when it's with gradualness and reason. Like character growth of some sort that allows them to see each other as love interests. But when its "makeover" or "Hey, this dud likes my chick"- not cool.
+Georgia Wilksch Ugh the makeover thing is so annoying. I forgive that in 90s romcoms because it's a nostalgia trope but not in books!
I've always disliked love triangles. I agree with you with the best friend falling in love trope too.
I'm new here so I don't know. But do you only review romance novels? Why are all the tropes love related?
+Inspector Spinda LOL no I actually don't review the romance genre at all. I just happen to think that some of the worst tropes are related to the romance in books most times. Those tend to annoy me the most.
+Thoughts on Tomes I don't read much romance at all. I started Twilight only because I've heard such mixed opinions on it. As you maybe can tell I'm into Mystery/Crime stories. I also like action/fantasy and I think one terrible trope is the prophecy/chosen one.
Weird thing about prophecies is that all of them all self fulfilling if you think about it. I also hate the villains turning good trope on most occasions. I feel villains are often the most passionate and spirited of the characters. When the become good at the end, they tend to lose most of their spirit and just mop and dope, feeling sorry that they did all the bad things they did. HATE. However, I'm ok with it when they end up happier as a result or keep aspects of their old personalities.
I agree with the prophecy thing as well. It has gotten old.
my main thing is that im fine with most insta loves, just as long as they have been in a situation where they got to know each other at least a little bit. but if it boils down to the love interest or saving the world, the choice should always be the saving the world. I know you have a great connection with a person but your own selfish needs do not excuse whatever consequences come from choosing the love interest over saving the world.
exactly!
I hate insta-love but I most ESPECIALLY hate love triangles. To be quite honest with you, that is one of the things I loved about Divergent. It was always just Tris and Four. Always. I needed that lol.
But one question: how did you feel about Cleo insta-loving Theon? And then forgetting about him until Magnus threw it in her face?
+Jonathan Owens OMG I HATED THE CLEO THEON ROMANCE! I did not care a single bit. We didn't see any of their development at all. We were just told they were together a lot. Ugh.... I hated it. I prefer her with any of the guys she's actually gotten to know over time in the series.
Ruby red -trilogue is my guilty pleasure and I forgive any stupid thing it has but other than that, I couldn't agree more with your list :D
Did you read it in the original German? Ive gotten so many comments from people who read it in German and love it so I think a lot of the problems were with the translation.
Thoughts on Tomes No, I read the Finnish version :) but maybe there is something wrong with the English version? Didn't they change the names of some characters for the English translation eg. Gwendolyn -> Gwyneth or something like that?
yes to the new moon trope. HATE that!! i also hate insta-love, the manic pixie dream girl love interest (it's why i only read TFIOS and no other john green books) and love triangles where the girl cannot decide on which guy she likes more and spends the entire book/series obsessing about it. other kind of love triangles i'm okay with.
+ChelleyReads When the love triangle starts overshadowing the actual plot, that's when I start hating them as well.
i love you so much hahaha! you made me laugh out loud so thank you. mine are insta-love, the girl that everyone thinks is hot but she doesnt notice, love triangles and definitely the best friend thing
+Joana Sousa (The Bookish Diaries) aw thank you :))) Omg the characters that are so oblivious to their good looks?? Come on. So unbelievable. What.. no one told you how good you looked until this one person? I doubt it.
EXACTLY!! It is so dumb and unrealistic!!! I hate it so much! Uhgh characters! Sometimes they can be so weird, but that is why we love him.
I hate the overlooked best friend trope too. It certainly doesn’t help that it so often falls into the men and women can’t be friend’s pitfall that really annoys me.
one you didn’t mention is the evil romantic rival where they give the love interest a horrible current boy/girlfriend, fiancée etc. it’s like the writer is saying, well I can’t give you any good reason these two should break up so let’s just make the rival a jerk.
The best friend thing to me as well! Ugh, I hate it most times and don't usually or ever root for the best friend. What I dislike most about those is the best friend is usually like mad that the girl might be into someone else, like she had to be into him even if he hasn't done anything to move them along. And he has had YEARS!
The only one where I can like the beat friend was Gale, because I think it was, at least to me very obvious that he loved and wanted Katniss since the begging he even tries to confess it right before they take her to The Hunger games but he gets pulled out of the room before he can say it. But the reason I forgive him most of all is because I feel like the reason he didn't go after Katniss before is because she wouldn't like it, she wasn't ready for something like that and he knew and he was waiting for her. Later on after everything with Peeta it seemed easier that she might actually responded to his advances. Either way he is practically the only one I like I really mostly dislike every other childhood best friend.
+Amelle Kyre YES! He gets all jealous. And it's like excuse you!!! You had your chance. You don't own her!
I actually don't hate Gale either. I wasn't rooting for him, but that triangle made sense. She would have ended up with Gale if she hadn't gone to the games.
This was the PERFECT list of hated tropes!! I agree with all of these!
+Chey'sCorner7 :)))
Definitely cannot stand the abusive bad boy! I used to always search for bad boy novels, when I felt like reading strictly romance, now I can't stand them. It seems bad boy and abusive are synonymous. The worst one I've come across is After by Anna Todd.
Insta love UGH!!! That is just the worst!!! I totally agree with most of these!!
So agree with all of these! The New Moon trope is probably my worst. Everyone hates it, so why do authors keep doing it? My sister will stop reading series when that happens because it just ruins it. I don't know if this is an actual trope, but I don't like the stalker types. It's usually the male lead. How in any way is it romantic for someone to be following you around watching you without your knowledge? I feel like Twilight romanticized it, and everyone else just plays off of it. We always laughed in the movies when Edward was being a creeper. Totally not cool or realistic.
the new moon thing is what stopped me from reading maximum ride after the third book
Two of my most hated tropes that aren't usually mentioned but that grate at my nerves are the Tragic!Gays (especially in genre fiction where the LGBT character is just another character) and my personal pet peeve is The Self-Imposed Martyr. That one person who decided that they would hurt others and take the blame and apparently save the world for the other characters' "own good". its rare but when i see it I haaaaate it.
omg I hate both of those toooooo
I can't stand the "insta love" as well... hate it so much.
Agree. Agree. Agree. Agree & Agree! Loved the ending.
God I L O V E the best friend being in love with the main character. I have a thing for unrequited love, though. Especially when it's requited at the end