I think Mikrotik always has a great balance of features for the price. It fills a very nice spot in the prosumer space. I was also surprised when their small 10Gb switches came out at how cheap they were compared to most other options.
As a heavy Mikrotik user, always buy the CRS version of a switch if one exists. You can dual boot to CSS mode (SwOS) or CRS mode (RouterOS/ROS). At some point you'll hit the limit of what SwOS offers and you'll be thankful you can boot to ROS.
Agree.. but also I feel like other ports should be at least 2.5g..and 2 10gbe feels limiting.. should have at least 3 so it can stack..if you hooked two together at 10gbe..you still only get 2 10gb ports
The POE in seems like it would be most useful with poe out.. I don't see where you would mount a switch where you wouldn't have power.. and if it was then you'd want it to power other devices like waps or cameras
@@forbiddenera a lot of cheap switches are often used to provide more ports somewhere. Its common to only have one port coming from the wall in a room. Your main switch can feed poe to the one port powing this switch.
Maybe they expect you to turn it up with PoE in ? or, since it is for a desk they maybe thought they'll just put all cables on the front, so you can push it to the wall without a cable flexed in the back.
@@tommyariap3464 Both points are very valid, just not the use case for me. MikroTik are doing far more to meet my use cases at this price point that anybody else though so it’s not a deal breaker
@@williamanthony7224 Same, I ended up with a mikrotik switch as it was the only switch to hit my price point without a fan. I wasn’t after a managed switch but it hasn’t proved too annoying (you will have to use their windows app and log in to the device at least initially to do some initial config). Having the NAS with a multi gig connection into the main switch is a very good thing.
Yeah..at least. And only 2 10gbe feels limited. If there was 3 or 4 you could stack em at 10gbe and run 2 of them to get a few extra 10g ports on the cheap. If this had poe out, at least 3 pref 4 10gbe ports and rest is 2.5gbe I would be all over it, even if it was slightly more.
You can use the two SFP+ ports as additional 1gbps ports, but you may need to go in and set them to 1gbps because the auto function doesn't find a lot of the SFP modules. I had to do that on my CRS 309-xxxx switch.
This is kinda cool. Been wanting some faster links between my server and my workstation. Was looking for something with some 2.5 or 5gbe but this might be the winner. I would love 3 or 4 10gb but I really don't need more than two.
I also want 2.5 X 4 ports - but it must fit in my pocket - not sure if there is a decent one at that size. -- I might also just use a mini-pc with extra ports & run ubuntu for complete control.
I just bought a Zyxel desktop switch last week, It has 8 1Gb ports, two 2.5Gb, and 2 SFP+ ports. I'm running 10G fiber to my desktop, and 2.5G to my file server. And various 1Gb to modem, printer, work laptop docking station, and mesh wifi pucks. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084MLC83G It was only 139 when I bought it, I'm sure it will be on sale again.
@@brentgreeff1115 Qnap makes a relatively compact 5 port 2.5Gb switch. It's out of stock everywhere at the moment, but looks like it will be back soon. I was going to go 2.5Gb for everything in my home until I saw that Zyxel I commented on above. Edit - It doesn't have SFP+ slots, not sure if that was a requirement.
I've got a couple of Mikrotik switches in my home lab and they are really reliable and just work. The switchOS software is easy to use and compared to my Netgear GS108 8-port managed switch, it is miles ahead. This will replace the Netgear with a couple of SFP+ to RJ-45 converters to upgrade for more bandwidth into the lounge.
This is crazy.. The first twisted pair networks I did were Synoptics 3000 and 3030 models, and the port cards were roughly $100 per PORT.. not including the chassis or management modules, and they were only 10mbps.. How far we've come!!
This is quite an interesting switch for a lot of home users (including me) & some small businesses. I expect to see 2.5 Gbps becoming more common this year though, and the 1G ports may be a bummer before too long. 4x1G + 4x2.5G + 2x10G would be great.
Wait, i just realized this. in 4:11 you explicitly mentioned that we can use RJ-45 adapter in the SFP's cages in this particular switch, as not every switch with SFP/SFP+ cage capable of that. I thought SFPs for DACs, Optical and RJ-45 adapter are interchangeable in one single format, SFP. It isn't ??
The S+RJ10 adapters generate more heat which causes physical limitations. For example, the CRS305-1G-4S+IN is only spec'd to use two of the adapters in its four ports due to power/ thermal limitations.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I see, this new for me, Thanks. Also, that also explain why my CRS won't activate all of its SFP cages, but dang it just won't tell anything.
Nice video, I went with the MikroTik 10GB eight port switch instead and use POE injectors instead for it was cheaper for me to do and still do POE. Refer to my videos on the MikroTik 10GB switches
This is a nice switch for a TV setup. You get 8 1G ports to connect all your media equipment and a single 10G port plus the uplink to connect a media PC/Mac mini. For $99 it's pretty compelling. Wish the power was at the back though. having it in the front is kind of a dealbreaker.
I own this and I urge you to wait and not get it! The firmware is still at RC and some functions like VLANs are not working properly. Therefore making this an unmanaged switch with 2 extra SPF+ ports. Until the firmware is fixed, my unit is useless. Do check the Mikrotik forums about this topic before you do any purchase.
Totally. We waited until the RC6 firmware to publish this because that was the first one that we could get to complete our tests. Rohit discussed this in his main site review. That is why we are calling this more of a plug items in and get basic connectivity switch rather than a higher-end unit. The shipping firmware was not good.
I've been looking for something like this, PoE out on at least 2-4 ports would be amazeballs though. I want this on my desktop, 10g to my server rack, 10g to my desktop, Poe for running experimental crap on my desk.
It seems that mikrotik.com/product/netpower_lite_7r#fndtn-specifications has the same hardware but with POE (features) components. Presumably, this mainboard was developed for this product and then downscaled, at least explains the weird placement of the DC jack.
The netPower Lite 7R is a "special" switch for internet service providers. It is for REVERSE PoE. e,g, the switch is powered by the remote devices that backfeed power up the ethernet cable to the switch. This is desirable in low cost condo/multi-dwelling-unit type installs
I don't think missing components in the board are for future PoE use. I think they are the parts which aren't for the reverse PoE on the CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+OUT (i.e. netPower Lite 7R). However, that still leaves some hope that we will see something similar to the CSS326 and CRS326 where for a little bit more there will be CRS versions (maybe with PoE and maybe without) as replacement for CRS112 switches.
You should check out the Mikrotik RB5009UG+S+IN. USB 3.0, 7x 1G, and 1x 2.5G Ethernet and a 10G SFP+ cage in a 1/4 1U rack space, sounds really impressive
I'd love it if it had 8x POE 1Gbe, 4x 2.5 or 5Gbe and 2-4x 10Gbe 8x 1Gbe for general usage/cctv 4x 2.5/5Gbe for Wifi6 access points 2-4x 10Gbe for either daisy chaining or straight up linking NAS + Home server + Main desktop I wonder if anything like that exists that SIPs power like this does, specially with ethernet and not SFP 2.5Gbe/10Gbe
The only time I've seen this was with the Netgear ProSafe MS510TXPP. 4x 1GbE 2x 2.5GbE 2x 2.5/5GbE 2x 10GbE (one rj45 & one sfp+). I know I'd love to see more with an assortment like that as well but I've really never seen it outside of this one model. Unfortunately it's $350 so no I've not purchased it. 😭
what I saw was the voltage allowed in which allows you to run it off a solar array battery system.. 12/24/48..your choice..as it can accept up to 57volts...
Are there many 2.5 GbE small desktop switches in the market? With newer MB's now including 2.5G networking onboard, a lot of people (myself included) don't know much about how to review switches and which units are available. Perhaps their demand may increase as more 2.5G onboard NIC's are installed as standard
It may not seem like much, but in this space that is a lot more. In the MikroTik stack at $139 you get the CSS326-24G-2S+RM which is a 24x 1GbE + 2x 10GbE switch. At the end of the video I mention that going up a little in price may not seem like a lot, but to many it is. If the suggestion is that we look at those, I can ask Rohit.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hmm, I understand that commentary re: price bracket. A $50-75 price jump is a 50+% price increase. Yeah, that's a different market segment. Didn't think in those terms. Was thinking more about capabilities than budget. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the zyxel models previously mentioned if you are game. Thanks for reading and replying. Your content is thorough, easy to digest and I appreciate your attention to detail. Cheers!
Having had a $1000 switch stolen from a display on a trade show floor I can appreciate your comment. Staff was in meeting cubbies, and someone just walked by disconnected the power and the two network cables and put it in the carry bag and walk away. Since it was just for display and not functional it wasn't noticed for about twenty minutes. We now cable lock all displays hardware since then.
I'm looking for something exactly like this, but with PoE capability. Does such a thing exist at this price point or less? Idea would be to power several IP ethernet cameras and an AP or 2 and having a it managed would be ideal.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yea i'm prob gonna wait out for that version (CSS615?) so from one fiber run to my office can connect my workstation at 10G and power my office AP
@@DozIT It could, but if you wanted a lot of high-bandwidth PoE devices all sending traffic to something like a NAS, then you'd also want the network to have a fat pipe back to the rest of your high bandwidth network. like high quality IP cameras, AP's w/ lots of clients and high traffic to a NAS, maybe? Also if the switch were to be located in another building, having a fiber run to it would be safer to avoid having low voltage wiring run outside where a nearby lightning strike could result in enough of a transient induced in a twisted pair run to fry your whole network, and if your going to use SFP or preferably SFP+
*!WARNING!* I do own a few of these exact model switches and currently there is some firmware issues regarding vlans (DHCP not working via VLANs), management access via SFP+ ports and some other smaller kinks. Mikrotik has been really good in the past with ironing out these kinks, but right now its not picture perfect EDIT: There is a thread in the official mikrotik forums, where people are collecting the stuff that is not working yet. Go take a look for those interested in this device.
I'd love this with 4x 10g, for $150, Two different variants would also be pretty sweet, 2x10g, and then 8xPOE(for low powered cameras) for $150-190, and then a 4x10g and 16x1g for ~$200 Would love a POE version of this to properly isolate my secirity cameras As a side note, when are we going to make rack mounted servers and switches vertically oriented for passive cooling? Something in a 1-2u width, but a 4-12 u height
@Robert Slackware The cooling is my point, the best option for passive cooling(which almost all 48 port gigabit with quad 10g switches can do if set up properly) are desktop consumer switches without fans, because these consumer switches usually have cooling vents on both side of the switch instead of a blow through front to back design. Yes, put some fans on the switches, but most of the time, run it passive. In the 5 years i've been working where i am, we've lost something like 16 switches from fan failure, which is far more than 20%. Reliability should be the main reason to go passive, but power savings would be significant in larger installations. Not only will the power usage, and thus UPS draw decrease, but the heat load for the NOC will also decrease. With 3-7 5-10w fans, even at some of the highest electric motor efficiecnies, a rack with 6 switches at the top will pump out between 18-84wm multiply that by at least 6 racks, thats 100-500w plus the power needed to condition that air(30-160w). Over the course of a year, thats 1.1-5.8MWh, or, where i live, roughly $130-$700 in electricity costs just to have fans that will fail eventually. And this is just our small community college, imagine the savings at a large office complex that needs thousands of network ports Sure POE switches will still (probably) need constant fans even sitting vertically, but it could bring those 20w fans down to 5-10w, and off during low load
4-12U height would be super awkward in a rack. Better to make it full or half width, 1U height of ports, with an extra 1U above for just a big heatsink. A big-ass extrusion like that might cost a lot of money though. Most users would probably want to upgrade by the time the fans fail, rather than pay for that extrusion.
@@concinnus I was talking about servers, not just switches, loading either the servers in from the top of the rack, or slotting them in like books on a shelf so that the heat would act as a fan to pull air through the server, its still 1u, but the rack effectively laying on its side. Passive cooling doesnt work without airflow, and horizontal servers dont allow for heat to rise until after it exits the server
@@denvera1g1 A properly designed datacenter or even server closet has more airflow from the AC outlet to return than you'd ever get from passive convection. If you wanna use the top few U for switches and have heat float out of the top of the rack, that could work alright, but you'd also need intake air at the bottom of the switch array. And regardless, since you're taking up many U and could use 120mm instead of 40mm fans, you could get a 24/7 x 20yr lifespan easier that way.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Thanks for the suggestion. It's nice switch but unmanaged :(. Looks like for now 10Gbps switches are out of the equation for me. Pfsense with multiple 10Gbps RJ-45 will do for now.
@@Soda88 he could still stick 2 together if he wished and run them as simple switches ;-) just plop em together with the 10G ports which would leave him with 16 1G and 2 10G free (handy if they are needed in "two locations" else it would make more sense to just buy the 24 port one which has 24x 1G and 2x 10G (more ports, cheaper than buying 2 of these)
This is exactly what the Ubiquiti US-8-150 successor should be! I'm so deep in the Unifi System, I dont really want to leave. But Mikrotik is really enticing, both with the CRS305 and this one.
So the Switch I was looking for, caus we do a lot of LAN-Partys and live streaming, since we started streaming over the network, so every PC needs at least 250mbit for the Stream feed, the streaming PC needs a 10Gbit link :)
Damn, these things are making it really hard for me to justify getting a older cisco switch, which id want for several other reasons... but this.. Even more attractive if it had the PoE
thanks for the videos, I was looking for something like this, soon we will be connected with ftth gpon with rate limit of 2.5G/200m and I want to replace the router*. the isp should give as a mini ont (sfp) without ppp connection. so, is there a box like this with decent layer 3 performance? the lan setup should be 3 2.5g devices and 4-7 1G device (maybe with different subnet). I could use pfsense or similar, but it is still hard to find cheap multi port 2.5 pcie cards, motherboards and cpu combo with enough pcie bandwidth (on low power) and a combination of those cheaper than this things. I really hope 2.5g devices will come out. * the original is a 4 port 1G without link aggregation
If it had 4 SFP+, I would have bought this unit instead of the CRS305-1g-4s+in lately. But maybe in the future, I will add it to the crs305 and uplink it to that unit with 10gbe
While this is a cool switch looking at mikrotiks site those 10 gig RJ-45 adapters cost 65 bucks so two of them is more than the price of the switch, additionally they mention that when used with passively cooled switches additional cooling may be required.
@@mrmotofy transceivers are expensive and you can't run DACs through your walls or over long distances.... Most home 10gig networks are 10GBase-T because it's way simpler and cheaper to run CAT6a through your walls and it still works with all your 1gig devices... Once you add in the cost of DACs or transceivers to this switch, you might as well get a 10GBase-T switch... And really, what use is that "versatility" to an average homeowner?
I'd buy the CSS610-8G-2S+IN if the power was on the back and it ran RouterOS. I'd rather get the CRS326-24G-2S+IN, even though it would take a lot more desk space.
@@morosis82 Absolutely, my point is that it is the PoE functionality referred to by the "-IN" in the model number, not whether it's considered a desktop switch or not.
The zip tie is better, the metal thing you showed would be likely to cut into the wire's insulation and short it out. Rip on it enough times and it will.
In this price bracket, there is not really great competition (pricing in this tier is usually somewhere in the $20-30 increments.) This switch has had quite a few firmware challenges beyond being a fairly basic L2 switch. So in a relative comparison, Cisco is better, but costs more to the point they are not competitors.
Please note it currently has issues with the Switchos version that ships with it ( mine came with 2.12rc2) . - that you can't get to the management UI over the SFP+ ports . You can upgrade to 2.13rc5.0 available from the Mikrotik website but note these are NOT final release versions only release candidates . its a nice little switch , just let down by unfinished software. Maybe it shares a PCB with the netpower lite 7R which is a similar product code would explain the POE components missing on the 610.
Hi Chris, there is a RC6 in the forums as well if you have not seen that. We mentioned that in a bit more detail in the full main site review. That is why we are calling this more of a basic switch.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo - Its a great little switch - i have my workstation plugged in to it in my office over 10gig and then the other SFP+ linked back to a css326-24G-2s+RM that has my NAS in the other SFP+ port and works great . Just a bit disappointed they chose to release a product that didn't have finished firmware - took me an hour of head scratching to figure why i couldn't connect. The only other thing that would make the css610 even better would be if the ports were POE out - that would make a perfect remote switch to drive 4k CCTV cameras .
Do you always miss backplane performance? I would think that the 2*10 to 8*1 May relate to the backplane performance over the 24*1 switches. Looking at some hardware a while ago now, you could end up with a 24 port switch with only a 8 GBS backplane. This is a really important factor with switches as it impacts performance and load as well as the entire infrastructure. 8/24= .32! I think and thought on seeing this that this is a remote placement or "cut in". Placing this in a 10gbe to basically add some 1g ports along the way, and carrying on to have maybe one or two stretched out, may be a ideal solution for a lot of deployment. Or with remote, that ability to place this on a battery and charge system allows a easy deployment with a backbone of 10g. The down side is I cannot see any use of more than two of them on the line. But with "economics" I could see three or four being used...
I dont know if anyone will read this, but i got this exact switch about 2 weeks ago. I was already pretty familiar with RouterOS on my hEX S, but SwOS (lite) was new for me. Unfortunately this switch ships with alpha build software and there is no update available. Some really important and basic features (like accessing the management page from SFP+) are not there or are really unstable. I would wait some time before buying this switch when MikroTik updates their software.
Noted in the main site review, check RC6 which fixed the VLAN issues for us. You are right that using more of the managed features is not great. That is why we are calling this more of a "plug stuff in and it connects" L2 switch rather than a more full-featured switch. Even when the firmware is updated, it still will not have a lot of features people want.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks for the info, i didnt know they fixed the VLAN issues. I had the same experience, and even saw frames arriving at clients that still had the 802.1q tag. Good to see that Mikrotik keeps working on their software tho.
Hi! Any news about these? ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+ ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+/r2 ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+/r2-60 There is a rumor there were in development - having actual router with 2x 10Gb/s ports would be amazing, leaving alone 40Gb/s. Thanks!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah I wouldn't be mad if there were proper retention slots and maybe like a routing path from the front to the back, but having this on my rack is pretty annoying
Hey STH, I'm looking at replacing some of our firewalls in the DC and found a product that really stood out of the competition, might be good to take a look at especially at the price point. Fortigate 200F 1U, 4x 10G, dual PSU, great throughput even with a load of NGFW stuff enabled, a lot of 1G ports and hovering around the 5000 dollar mark. A quick look at the competition (Cisco, Checkpoint, Juniper SRX, Palo alto etc) shows that the 200F comes with great hardware for the price.
I can't access the management webpage through SFP+ and was wondering if it's possible to use one Cat6 for logging in to management webpage and one fiber for the SFP+. What is your opinion?
Is there any device that can block traffic after 1tb of data and reset after the 1st of each month? I know a netgear wifi router can do this but those are literally trash. I'd also like to monitor connections to see who's using more data than others.
My biggest wish for items in this cost class is to get a NARROW wall wart, so I can plug them into my PDU. Almost all wall wart PSUs overlap the adjacent sockets, so I end up bodging something between to be able to use all 8 power outlets. Here's the one I have at home, if you look at the photo of the back, you'll see what I'm dealing with... www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PDBC10/8-Outlet-Rack-Mount-Power-Supply-Center-wEach-Outlet-Switch
I have many times thought we really need a generic C14-plug-shaped 12v/2A PSU, with a barrel jack, that would make it integrate into ATS'es and PDU's so well in existing setups so you wouldn't have to deal with all those wall warts.
Maybe it’s a compliment to an existing SFP+ switch... adding this switch instead of adding rj45/SFP+ adapters into the original... otherwise I’m scratching my head a little for applications.
Would be perfect with 4 SFP+ ports, and 4 of these 1GBASE-T being PoE. 2 ports are very limiting. You are going to just connect two computers, or use it for uplinking. What if you want to have 2 computers and an uplink? Yes, I know there is the CRS305-1G-4S+IN, but it has no 1GBASE-T ports, and is not rack form factor. But I understand it is built around specific Marvell ASIC.
I think Mikrotik always has a great balance of features for the price. It fills a very nice spot in the prosumer space. I was also surprised when their small 10Gb switches came out at how cheap they were compared to most other options.
As a heavy Mikrotik user, always buy the CRS version of a switch if one exists. You can dual boot to CSS mode (SwOS) or CRS mode (RouterOS/ROS). At some point you'll hit the limit of what SwOS offers and you'll be thankful you can boot to ROS.
man if this had 1-2 POE out ports it would be perfect for my office
I came here to say the same thing. Maybe it will be available in an all PoE variety, albeit with a cooling fan I guess. EDIT: He just covered that.
Agree.. but also I feel like other ports should be at least 2.5g..and 2 10gbe feels limiting.. should have at least 3 so it can stack..if you hooked two together at 10gbe..you still only get 2 10gb ports
The POE in seems like it would be most useful with poe out.. I don't see where you would mount a switch where you wouldn't have power.. and if it was then you'd want it to power other devices like waps or cameras
Mikrotik always eventually puts PoE on their switches, you just have to wait a bit.
@@forbiddenera a lot of cheap switches are often used to provide more ports somewhere. Its common to only have one port coming from the wall in a room. Your main switch can feed poe to the one port powing this switch.
I love all the coverage of mikrotik gear you do. Thanks for all the content.
I love the diverse options that Mikro Tik keeps coming out with.
10gb to my NAS and my workstation, 8 1g ports is enough for the rest of the house. But why is that power plug not on the back
Maybe they expect you to turn it up with PoE in ? or, since it is for a desk they maybe thought they'll just put all cables on the front, so you can push it to the wall without a cable flexed in the back.
@@tommyariap3464 Both points are very valid, just not the use case for me. MikroTik are doing far more to meet my use cases at this price point that anybody else though so it’s not a deal breaker
@@williamanthony7224 Same, I ended up with a mikrotik switch as it was the only switch to hit my price point without a fan. I wasn’t after a managed switch but it hasn’t proved too annoying (you will have to use their windows app and log in to the device at least initially to do some initial config). Having the NAS with a multi gig connection into the main switch is a very good thing.
Probably cheaper to have it on the front, somehow.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh WinBox works perfectly using it via Wine on a Linux system (!) :)
Great overview. Perfect level of detail. Thanks!
As soon as they launch a version of this with PoE I will be buying this.
2.5Gbps instead of 1Gbps, this is what is needed in 2021.
Yea - need a 2.5 gig review.
Is this for the home or ISP perspective? Or other...?
I wonder how many more years before the components are cheap enough for a company like Mikrotik to build this style of device at this price point.
Yeah..at least. And only 2 10gbe feels limited. If there was 3 or 4 you could stack em at 10gbe and run 2 of them to get a few extra 10g ports on the cheap. If this had poe out, at least 3 pref 4 10gbe ports and rest is 2.5gbe I would be all over it, even if it was slightly more.
@@ABUNDANCEandBEYONDATHLETE Home.
I'm kinda glad they did the thing with the long rack ear, I own a CSS326, and about a third of it it just empty space.
What a killer deal for the functions
I want this one now for my home
New test rubric of falling light impact test.
This has never happened (and it is uncommon to get big lights like this.) However, have to take lessons where we can find them.
You can use the two SFP+ ports as additional 1gbps ports, but you may need to go in and set them to 1gbps because the auto function doesn't find a lot of the SFP modules. I had to do that on my CRS 309-xxxx switch.
This is kinda cool. Been wanting some faster links between my server and my workstation. Was looking for something with some 2.5 or 5gbe but this might be the winner. I would love 3 or 4 10gb but I really don't need more than two.
I also want 2.5 X 4 ports - but it must fit in my pocket - not sure if there is a decent one at that size. -- I might also just use a mini-pc with extra ports & run ubuntu for complete control.
I just bought a Zyxel desktop switch last week, It has 8 1Gb ports, two 2.5Gb, and 2 SFP+ ports. I'm running 10G fiber to my desktop, and 2.5G to my file server. And various 1Gb to modem, printer, work laptop docking station, and mesh wifi pucks.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084MLC83G It was only 139 when I bought it, I'm sure it will be on sale again.
@@brentgreeff1115 Qnap makes a relatively compact 5 port 2.5Gb switch. It's out of stock everywhere at the moment, but looks like it will be back soon. I was going to go 2.5Gb for everything in my home until I saw that Zyxel I commented on above. Edit - It doesn't have SFP+ slots, not sure if that was a requirement.
Super cool switch. Kinda considering selling all (or most) of my unifi stuff and switching to microtik
Cost to add additional features is minimal. Love this company
Patrick's favorite phrase; "that is just what it is", 1:26
I've got a couple of Mikrotik switches in my home lab and they are really reliable and just work. The switchOS software is easy to use and compared to my Netgear GS108 8-port managed switch, it is miles ahead. This will replace the Netgear with a couple of SFP+ to RJ-45 converters to upgrade for more bandwidth into the lounge.
This is crazy.. The first twisted pair networks I did were Synoptics 3000 and 3030 models, and the port cards were roughly $100 per PORT.. not including the chassis or management modules, and they were only 10mbps.. How far we've come!!
This is what I need to connect the living part of my house with the technical part. It's 1gig now and it gets saturated really easy.
This is quite an interesting switch for a lot of home users (including me) & some small businesses. I expect to see 2.5 Gbps becoming more common this year though, and the 1G ports may be a bummer before too long. 4x1G + 4x2.5G + 2x10G would be great.
make the 4x 1G POE out ports and this switch would be amazing :D
@@LiLBitsDK Then it would cost 200-300$ :D
@@aeonikus1 fine with me, we need more POE switches are might as well be GOOD ones while we are at it
I love their routers with poe in and out. Very nice to power the moden+router with just one poe port form the switch.
Wait, i just realized this. in 4:11 you explicitly mentioned that we can use RJ-45 adapter in the SFP's cages in this particular switch, as not every switch with SFP/SFP+ cage capable of that. I thought SFPs for DACs, Optical and RJ-45 adapter are interchangeable in one single format, SFP. It isn't ??
The S+RJ10 adapters generate more heat which causes physical limitations. For example, the CRS305-1G-4S+IN is only spec'd to use two of the adapters in its four ports due to power/ thermal limitations.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I see, this new for me, Thanks.
Also, that also explain why my CRS won't activate all of its SFP cages, but dang it just won't tell anything.
I just checked and it is about 65€, pretty good deal for tv setup with sfp for sparate uplink and nas connection.
Nice review brother
Nice video, I went with the MikroTik 10GB eight port switch instead and use POE injectors instead for it was cheaper for me to do and still do POE. Refer to my videos on the MikroTik 10GB switches
Totally agree
This is a nice switch for a TV setup. You get 8 1G ports to connect all your media equipment and a single 10G port plus the uplink to connect a media PC/Mac mini. For $99 it's pretty compelling.
Wish the power was at the back though. having it in the front is kind of a dealbreaker.
I own this and I urge you to wait and not get it! The firmware is still at RC and some functions like VLANs are not working properly. Therefore making this an unmanaged switch with 2 extra SPF+ ports. Until the firmware is fixed, my unit is useless. Do check the Mikrotik forums about this topic before you do any purchase.
Totally. We waited until the RC6 firmware to publish this because that was the first one that we could get to complete our tests. Rohit discussed this in his main site review. That is why we are calling this more of a plug items in and get basic connectivity switch rather than a higher-end unit. The shipping firmware was not good.
Technically Correct Man says:> "technically, 2s and 2s+ are not the same thing, but the way you state them conflates them together."
That's nice $150 switch you have there! Greetings from EU!
I've been looking for something like this, PoE out on at least 2-4 ports would be amazeballs though. I want this on my desktop, 10g to my server rack, 10g to my desktop, Poe for running experimental crap on my desk.
I found it for 78€ including tax, for a gigabit switch with two SFP+ ports this value is insane!
It seems that mikrotik.com/product/netpower_lite_7r#fndtn-specifications has the same hardware but with POE (features) components. Presumably, this mainboard was developed for this product and then downscaled, at least explains the weird placement of the DC jack.
The netPower Lite 7R is a "special" switch for internet service providers. It is for REVERSE PoE. e,g, the switch is powered by the remote devices that backfeed power up the ethernet cable to the switch. This is desirable in low cost condo/multi-dwelling-unit type installs
Awesome peace of equipment, sadly bought another RB today to use as bridge for a cable backbone of new home mesh.
Something like this for the homelab with 10g for nas/nfs/iscsi looks pretty useful.
I don't think missing components in the board are for future PoE use. I think they are the parts which aren't for the reverse PoE on the CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+OUT (i.e. netPower Lite 7R). However, that still leaves some hope that we will see something similar to the CSS326 and CRS326 where for a little bit more there will be CRS versions (maybe with PoE and maybe without) as replacement for CRS112 switches.
You should check out the Mikrotik RB5009UG+S+IN.
USB 3.0, 7x 1G, and 1x 2.5G Ethernet and a 10G SFP+ cage in a 1/4 1U rack space, sounds really impressive
It just so happens I have 4x sitting next to my desk right now and the 4x in 1U mounting brackets
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 🌚🌚🌚
I would love to see you guys do a video on the MikroTik RB5009UPr+S+IN POE router.
Just arrived. Showed it at the end of the video today. Review is coming
I'd love it if it had 8x POE 1Gbe, 4x 2.5 or 5Gbe and 2-4x 10Gbe
8x 1Gbe for general usage/cctv
4x 2.5/5Gbe for Wifi6 access points
2-4x 10Gbe for either daisy chaining or straight up linking NAS + Home server + Main desktop
I wonder if anything like that exists that SIPs power like this does, specially with ethernet and not SFP 2.5Gbe/10Gbe
The only time I've seen this was with the Netgear ProSafe MS510TXPP.
4x 1GbE
2x 2.5GbE
2x 2.5/5GbE
2x 10GbE (one rj45 & one sfp+).
I know I'd love to see more with an assortment like that as well but I've really never seen it outside of this one model. Unfortunately it's $350 so no I've not purchased it. 😭
@@lcrazy8l Yeah this (to me and for my setup) is the ideal port distribution. Amazing and also out of stock.. I'd need 2 of them
I am waiting for the crs318-16p-2s+in. They already have basically the same switch available, but it has an outdoor enclosure.
what I saw was the voltage allowed in which allows you to run it off a solar array battery system.. 12/24/48..your choice..as it can accept up to 57volts...
I see a STH review of a new mikrotik switch, I click.
Are there many 2.5 GbE small desktop switches in the market? With newer MB's now including 2.5G networking onboard, a lot of people (myself included) don't know much about how to review switches and which units are available. Perhaps their demand may increase as more 2.5G onboard NIC's are installed as standard
many? no...
Any?
@@doogle4144 Zytel XGS1010-12 has two 2.5Gbe
But does it have link aggregation?
Zyxel's XGS1210-12 and XGS1010-12 seem to offer more features and ports for marginal cost difference. Any thoughts on those units @ServeTheHome?
It may not seem like much, but in this space that is a lot more. In the MikroTik stack at $139 you get the CSS326-24G-2S+RM which is a 24x 1GbE + 2x 10GbE switch. At the end of the video I mention that going up a little in price may not seem like a lot, but to many it is.
If the suggestion is that we look at those, I can ask Rohit.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hmm, I understand that commentary re: price bracket. A $50-75 price jump is a 50+% price increase. Yeah, that's a different market segment. Didn't think in those terms. Was thinking more about capabilities than budget. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the zyxel models previously mentioned if you are game. Thanks for reading and replying. Your content is thorough, easy to digest and I appreciate your attention to detail. Cheers!
Having had a $1000 switch stolen from a display on a trade show floor I can appreciate your comment. Staff was in meeting cubbies, and someone just walked by disconnected the power and the two network cables and put it in the carry bag and walk away. Since it was just for display and not functional it wasn't noticed for about twenty minutes. We now cable lock all displays hardware since then.
That is truly wild
. . . I was just thinking about looking for a pair of switches like that. Huh.
CSS326...
I'm looking for something exactly like this, but with PoE capability. Does such a thing exist at this price point or less? Idea would be to power several IP ethernet cameras and an AP or 2 and having a it managed would be ideal.
Why would you need 10Gb for that? Any 8 port PoE switch should solve your problem
No, but as mentioned in the review the PCB in the switch has un-placed component pads that indicate MikroTik could fairly easily make a PoE variant.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yea i'm prob gonna wait out for that version (CSS615?) so from one fiber run to my office can connect my workstation at 10G and power my office AP
@@DozIT It could, but if you wanted a lot of high-bandwidth PoE devices all sending traffic to something like a NAS, then you'd also want the network to have a fat pipe back to the rest of your high bandwidth network. like high quality IP cameras, AP's w/ lots of clients and high traffic to a NAS, maybe?
Also if the switch were to be located in another building, having a fiber run to it would be safer to avoid having low voltage wiring run outside where a nearby lightning strike could result in enough of a transient induced in a twisted pair run to fry your whole network, and if your going to use SFP or preferably SFP+
This video bought you a sub!
can you use those sfp+ ports for uplinks into another switch or router?
first question. Does it support VLANs?
this is a weird one, 2.5g Lan and it have been really useful but 1g is not replacing anything and the 10g by them self not cutting it
If I didn't already have my DGS-1510-20 I would jump on that!
Well, it can put up with lights being dropped on it so jumping could be fine, Bob...
@@richards7909 #facepalm
*!WARNING!* I do own a few of these exact model switches and currently there is some firmware issues regarding vlans (DHCP not working via VLANs), management access via SFP+ ports and some other smaller kinks.
Mikrotik has been really good in the past with ironing out these kinks, but right now its not picture perfect
EDIT: There is a thread in the official mikrotik forums, where people are collecting the stuff that is not working yet. Go take a look for those interested in this device.
Update: Most of the complaints have been fixed now. THANK YOU Mikrotik
IR camera when running full stick? Bet it gets hot.
I'd love this with 4x 10g, for $150, Two different variants would also be pretty sweet, 2x10g, and then 8xPOE(for low powered cameras) for $150-190, and then a 4x10g and 16x1g for ~$200
Would love a POE version of this to properly isolate my secirity cameras
As a side note, when are we going to make rack mounted servers and switches vertically oriented for passive cooling? Something in a 1-2u width, but a 4-12 u height
@Robert Slackware The cooling is my point, the best option for passive cooling(which almost all 48 port gigabit with quad 10g switches can do if set up properly) are desktop consumer switches without fans, because these consumer switches usually have cooling vents on both side of the switch instead of a blow through front to back design. Yes, put some fans on the switches, but most of the time, run it passive. In the 5 years i've been working where i am, we've lost something like 16 switches from fan failure, which is far more than 20%. Reliability should be the main reason to go passive, but power savings would be significant in larger installations. Not only will the power usage, and thus UPS draw decrease, but the heat load for the NOC will also decrease. With 3-7 5-10w fans, even at some of the highest electric motor efficiecnies, a rack with 6 switches at the top will pump out between 18-84wm multiply that by at least 6 racks, thats 100-500w plus the power needed to condition that air(30-160w). Over the course of a year, thats 1.1-5.8MWh, or, where i live, roughly $130-$700 in electricity costs just to have fans that will fail eventually. And this is just our small community college, imagine the savings at a large office complex that needs thousands of network ports
Sure POE switches will still (probably) need constant fans even sitting vertically, but it could bring those 20w fans down to 5-10w, and off during low load
4-12U height would be super awkward in a rack. Better to make it full or half width, 1U height of ports, with an extra 1U above for just a big heatsink. A big-ass extrusion like that might cost a lot of money though. Most users would probably want to upgrade by the time the fans fail, rather than pay for that extrusion.
@@concinnus I was talking about servers, not just switches, loading either the servers in from the top of the rack, or slotting them in like books on a shelf so that the heat would act as a fan to pull air through the server, its still 1u, but the rack effectively laying on its side.
Passive cooling doesnt work without airflow, and horizontal servers dont allow for heat to rise until after it exits the server
@@denvera1g1 A properly designed datacenter or even server closet has more airflow from the AC outlet to return than you'd ever get from passive convection. If you wanna use the top few U for switches and have heat float out of the top of the rack, that could work alright, but you'd also need intake air at the bottom of the switch array.
And regardless, since you're taking up many U and could use 120mm instead of 40mm fans, you could get a 24/7 x 20yr lifespan easier that way.
I'd need 802.1X support in SwitchOS for me to be usable.
For my use case would be great if it had 10Gbps ports but with RJ45. Adding mentioned adapters triples the price so not the option for me.
Totally true but having 10Gbase-T costs a lot more than using SFP+ due to the PHYs.
Check out the Netgear GS110MX for that (also reviewed by STH)
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Thanks for the suggestion. It's nice switch but unmanaged :(. Looks like for now 10Gbps switches are out of the equation for me. Pfsense with multiple 10Gbps RJ-45 will do for now.
@@TheOscylO Netgear make a managed version too
Does this switch support LACP (link aggregation)?
Yes
Hey Patrick can you stack two of these together? If yes two could be a low cost core switch option for home enthusiasts.
CSS series does not support 802.1BR.
Supported devices as of now are (where CB - controller bridge, PE - port extender):
CB PE
netPower 15FR (CRS318-1Fi-15Fr-2S) - +
netPower 16P (CRS318-16P-2S+) - +
CRS326-24G-2S+ (RM/IN) - +
CRS328-24P-4S+ - +
CRS328-4C-20S-4S+ - +
CRS305-1G-4S+ - +
CRS309-1G-8S+ + +
CRS317-1G-16S+ + +
CRS312-4C+8XG + +
CRS326-24S+2Q+ + +
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ + +
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+ + +
@@Soda88 he could still stick 2 together if he wished and run them as simple switches ;-) just plop em together with the 10G ports which would leave him with 16 1G and 2 10G free (handy if they are needed in "two locations" else it would make more sense to just buy the 24 port one which has 24x 1G and 2x 10G (more ports, cheaper than buying 2 of these)
@ServeTheHome The link to the main site review 404s for me.
Did they ever fix the firmware issues?
Where can I buy one of these?
Does it also fit into a 10 inch rack? Would be nice if it's not just 19 inch, since this is more like a hobby switch.
i'd love a 8 to 12 port 2.5g + router for under $200
This is exactly what the Ubiquiti US-8-150 successor should be! I'm so deep in the Unifi System, I dont really want to leave. But Mikrotik is really enticing, both with the CRS305 and this one.
Ubiquiti is GRID interdependent. Does not have 8-57V input.
So the Switch I was looking for, caus we do a lot of LAN-Partys and live streaming, since we started streaming over the network, so every PC needs at least 250mbit for the Stream feed, the streaming PC needs a 10Gbit link :)
Use a Newpower 16P for POE. Outdoor rated
2 additional 10gbes would be nice
For sure, four 10gb and eight 1gb ports would be so flawless.
At least one more. That would allow being able to stack these and get usable ports.
Totally. I think you move to a higher-end switch chip at that point which costs more.
CRS328-24P-4S+RM still not "super expensive" so that might be an option for ya?
Damn, these things are making it really hard for me to justify getting a older cisco switch, which id want for several other reasons... but this..
Even more attractive if it had the PoE
omg. This might be perfect for me!! I wanted a 10gb that could bridge my two NAS for replication!!
Depending on your hardware (which I don't know) ensure your NAS can handle 10G. If the I/O cannot handle it, you're just wasting money.
uh... you could simply slap a crossover cable on them, no switch needed.
2x TrueNAS mini x's. I think I can run 10gb crossover, 10gb to the switch, and 10gb to my workstation. Fear of packet storms..
@@LiLBitsDK you don't need any special crossover cables these days.
@@sablanex I know, it was just to indicate that there was no "device" inbetween other than the cable
The 326 is on the big boys league. It can do L3 stuff on top of everything else. TBH it's a no-brainer, especially the SWoS version
Does it support AVB?
thanks for the videos, I was looking for something like this, soon we will be connected with ftth gpon with rate limit of 2.5G/200m and I want to replace the router*. the isp should give as a mini ont (sfp) without ppp connection. so, is there a box like this with decent layer 3 performance? the lan setup should be 3 2.5g devices and 4-7 1G device (maybe with different subnet). I could use pfsense or similar, but it is still hard to find cheap multi port 2.5 pcie cards, motherboards and cpu combo with enough pcie bandwidth (on low power) and a combination of those cheaper than this things. I really hope 2.5g devices will come out.
* the original is a 4 port 1G without link aggregation
If it had 4 SFP+, I would have bought this unit instead of the CRS305-1g-4s+in lately. But maybe in the future, I will add it to the crs305 and uplink it to that unit with 10gbe
While this is a cool switch looking at mikrotiks site those 10 gig RJ-45 adapters cost 65 bucks so two of them is more than the price of the switch, additionally they mention that when used with passively cooled switches additional cooling may be required.
But one can use a DAC cable or a transceiver, so in the long run SFP+ can be more versatile. Really should have 4 of em though
@@mrmotofy transceivers are expensive and you can't run DACs through your walls or over long distances.... Most home 10gig networks are 10GBase-T because it's way simpler and cheaper to run CAT6a through your walls and it still works with all your 1gig devices... Once you add in the cost of DACs or transceivers to this switch, you might as well get a 10GBase-T switch... And really, what use is that "versatility" to an average homeowner?
That power plug.. Right smack in the middle front.. what the hell were they thinking?
yeah, strange considering the board had what looked like power input pads on the rear.
I'd buy the CSS610-8G-2S+IN if the power was on the back and it ran RouterOS. I'd rather get the CRS326-24G-2S+IN, even though it would take a lot more desk space.
It's got PoE-in, so You can eliminate the power connector. Still kinda lame, but you've got another options.
Can you add 2 side by side in a 19" rack. The MT 4011 is a few mm too wide
I thought the IN meant it could run off PoE, ie has a POE-IN port?
He says that around 2:40, you can run the switch either off the standard adapter, or from a PoE injector (or perhaps another switch)
@@morosis82 Absolutely, my point is that it is the PoE functionality referred to by the "-IN" in the model number, not whether it's considered a desktop switch or not.
@@si1entdave aah, ok, my bad I misunderstood. Yeah, going through their product list that seems to be what it means.
Does it support LACP?
The zip tie is better, the metal thing you showed would be likely to cut into the wire's insulation and short it out. Rip on it enough times and it will.
mantap reviewnya
How does this compare with other switches at this price point and port count? Vendor support, reliability, security etc?
In this price bracket, there is not really great competition (pricing in this tier is usually somewhere in the $20-30 increments.) This switch has had quite a few firmware challenges beyond being a fairly basic L2 switch. So in a relative comparison, Cisco is better, but costs more to the point they are not competitors.
Please note it currently has issues with the Switchos version that ships with it ( mine came with 2.12rc2) . - that you can't get to the management UI over the SFP+ ports . You can upgrade to 2.13rc5.0 available from the Mikrotik website but note these are NOT final release versions only release candidates . its a nice little switch , just let down by unfinished software. Maybe it shares a PCB with the netpower lite 7R which is a similar product code would explain the POE components missing on the 610.
Hi Chris, there is a RC6 in the forums as well if you have not seen that. We mentioned that in a bit more detail in the full main site review. That is why we are calling this more of a basic switch.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo - Its a great little switch - i have my workstation plugged in to it in my office over 10gig and then the other SFP+ linked back to a css326-24G-2s+RM that has my NAS in the other SFP+ port and works great . Just a bit disappointed they chose to release a product that didn't have finished firmware - took me an hour of head scratching to figure why i couldn't connect. The only other thing that would make the css610 even better would be if the ports were POE out - that would make a perfect remote switch to drive 4k CCTV cameras .
Do you always miss backplane performance?
I would think that the 2*10 to 8*1
May relate to the backplane performance over the 24*1 switches.
Looking at some hardware a while ago now, you could end up with a 24 port switch with only a 8 GBS backplane. This is a really important factor with switches as it impacts performance and load as well as the entire infrastructure.
8/24= .32!
I think and thought on seeing this that this is a remote placement or "cut in".
Placing this in a 10gbe to basically add some 1g ports along the way, and carrying on to have maybe one or two stretched out, may be a ideal solution for a lot of deployment. Or with remote, that ability to place this on a battery and charge system allows a easy deployment with a backbone of 10g. The down side is I cannot see any use of more than two of them on the line. But with "economics" I could see three or four being used...
I dont know if anyone will read this, but i got this exact switch about 2 weeks ago. I was already pretty familiar with RouterOS on my hEX S, but SwOS (lite) was new for me.
Unfortunately this switch ships with alpha build software and there is no update available. Some really important and basic features (like accessing the management page from SFP+) are not there or are really unstable. I would wait some time before buying this switch when MikroTik updates their software.
Noted in the main site review, check RC6 which fixed the VLAN issues for us. You are right that using more of the managed features is not great. That is why we are calling this more of a "plug stuff in and it connects" L2 switch rather than a more full-featured switch. Even when the firmware is updated, it still will not have a lot of features people want.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks for the info, i didnt know they fixed the VLAN issues. I had the same experience, and even saw frames arriving at clients that still had the 802.1q tag. Good to see that Mikrotik keeps working on their software tho.
Does it do 802.1p and does it do that on the switch chip or the CPU?
Hi! Any news about these?
ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+
ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+/r2
ccr2004-2g-2xc-2s+/r2-60
There is a rumor there were in development - having actual router with 2x 10Gb/s ports would be amazing, leaving alone 40Gb/s. Thanks!
Seriously what is up with Mikrotik and their power being in the front
I get it given many of these are designed to be desktop switches. They just need retention for the power cables.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah I wouldn't be mad if there were proper retention slots and maybe like a routing path from the front to the back, but having this on my rack is pretty annoying
Could someone please explain how to get POE in to power these switches, I have one and It doesn't work out of the box. Thanks in advance.
with 4x SFP+ (for some more bucks) this thing would be really cool
Hey STH,
I'm looking at replacing some of our firewalls in the DC and found a product that really stood out of the competition, might be good to take a look at especially at the price point.
Fortigate 200F
1U, 4x 10G, dual PSU, great throughput even with a load of NGFW stuff enabled, a lot of 1G ports and hovering around the 5000 dollar mark. A quick look at the competition (Cisco, Checkpoint, Juniper SRX, Palo alto etc) shows that the 200F comes with great hardware for the price.
They are on my list for this year.
I can't access the management webpage through SFP+ and was wondering if it's possible to use one Cat6 for logging in to management webpage and one fiber for the SFP+. What is your opinion?
Is there any device that can block traffic after 1tb of data and reset after the 1st of each month? I know a netgear wifi router can do this but those are literally trash. I'd also like to monitor connections to see who's using more data than others.
This now has a brother with PoE: CSS610-8P-2S+IN
Rohit has had a news piece written for that one for over a week, but no time to publish :-/
My biggest wish for items in this cost class is to get a NARROW wall wart, so I can plug them into my PDU. Almost all wall wart PSUs overlap the adjacent sockets, so I end up bodging something between to be able to use all 8 power outlets. Here's the one I have at home, if you look at the photo of the back, you'll see what I'm dealing with... www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PDBC10/8-Outlet-Rack-Mount-Power-Supply-Center-wEach-Outlet-Switch
I have many times thought we really need a generic C14-plug-shaped 12v/2A PSU, with a barrel jack, that would make it integrate into ATS'es and PDU's so well in existing setups so you wouldn't have to deal with all those wall warts.
Maybe it’s a compliment to an existing SFP+ switch... adding this switch instead of adding rj45/SFP+ adapters into the original... otherwise I’m scratching my head a little for applications.
Would be perfect with 4 SFP+ ports, and 4 of these 1GBASE-T being PoE. 2 ports are very limiting. You are going to just connect two computers, or use it for uplinking. What if you want to have 2 computers and an uplink? Yes, I know there is the CRS305-1G-4S+IN, but it has no 1GBASE-T ports, and is not rack form factor.
But I understand it is built around specific Marvell ASIC.