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- New York police arrested dozens of people after the Columbia University president asked the police to break up an encampment set up by pro-Palestinian protesters. The New York Times' Jeremy Peters joins to discuss his new reporting on campus protests and how universities are responding.
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'Schools have had enough': Universities respond to student protests
#ColumbiaUniversity #Palestine #CampusProtests
Anti-Israel does not equal Anti-Semitic. Remember after 911 everyone that looked like a Muslim was harassed which included people from India who are Hindus.
It does when they chant from the river to the sea
Yes, and Sikhs were also harassed and beaten. The masses are ignorant, foolish yokels.
@@leapfrogg no, no it does not. Sorry there are LOTS of jews that do not live in Israel.
Bingo. But the media likes to portray things as black and white
@@tc3383everyone should be free. Horrible attrocities these people commit. For money. Free palestine
“Protests have a time and a place”, says an establishment ghoul who has never protested any injustice in his life. Thanks Joe.
How do you know?
How needs to read a history book on this country and the demonstrations that made up a part of it
MSNBC _is_ very much a Left-wing corporate establishment media apparatus.
You realize that, I hope.
Ambulances wouldn't have been able to get through if someone had a heart attack. NO, not in convenience, but a hostile take over. People might have had children to be picked up; perhaps a parent was dying in a hospital. A woman perhaps in labor. Keeping people hostages is not an inconvenience, it is a terrorist action. You don't right a wrong by doing criminal behavior. What if your mom, dad, son or daughter had been shot? Yes, it has happened before on that bridge as well as other freeways here. Would you have the same attitude if one of them died? I highly suggest you rethink your argument.
The time is not now and the place is nowhere important. Otherwise Joe's little world might get disrupted?
This is such an embarrassingly bad take, Joe and co. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Morning Joe Middle East discussions are totally censored and restricted to one side only
Seriously. AIPAC
Hamas’ propaganda is brilliantly crafted with all the right buzzwords to entice young American far lefties who think they are experts in everything but know nothing.
They exploit words like apartheid, colonization and genocide in cause accusations of Israel that actually reflect Hamas.
Hamas’s creation of SJP to exploit college campuses was a brilliantly evil strategy.
Found out Joe is also against Just stop oil. What a surprise
I remember the anti-war protest of Vietnam. Why is it wrong for these kids to protest? I think it's a good thing to shed light on what's going on in the world.
They burned US flags and harassed a group of students?
Here's the thing that at this point everybody already knows about that. What light is being shed that anybody hasn't heard about already?
Did you serve?
Or were you drafted to go to Vietnam?
Those guys didn’t choose to go fight, the country made them. And when they got back some rich kid in college spit on them and called them names thinking they are the educated ones.
The students protesting Vietnam were DIRECTLY involved since they were subject to the draft. The current generation by and large are not Arabs, not Muslims, and not directly involved/impacted by any of this. If they really cared about Gaza they would be protesting outside the Israeli consulate, not screaming hate at Jewish students who have nothing to do with any of this.
@@JacobSolbuxHave you heard that Israel had the plans Hamas drew up for the attack a YEAR before it happened & that they moved the IDF away from the attack site so it could happen? Netanyahu WANTED this so he can reduce Gaza & the West Bank to rubble & take the land for Israel!
''When demonstrators in Hong Kong threw stones in Hong Kong that's considered to be heroism in the American press. When in Myanmar, the demonstrators throw slingshot stones at the military, they're considered to be heroes in the Western Press. When Palestinian kids throw stones at the oppressive Israeli army, they're called terrorists.''
Dr. Gabor Mate, a Holocaust survivor
Shalom
Another bit.
Blocking our Golden Gate bridge harming their neighbors from getting to work, how is that helping? They are hurting ordinary citizens that don't make decisions. Imagine if an ambulance needed to get through? How many people lost their jobs that day? That is no longer demonstrating but placing people as hostages. I would like to remind these American Palestinians that as Naturalized Citizens their citizenship can be taken away and they can be deported. I am a Half French, and half Irannian, American naturalized. When you become an American that is a privilege. You don't have the right to harm your neighbors. While on American soil, you are American First. If you don't like it here anymore, go to Palestine and fight.
Not true. The guy is a liar.
@@Matt-1147 And no-one's throwing stones at Columbia.
It is more like when the protestors are wanting to be heard to save their Democracy, Freedoms, their country from Authoritarian/Dictator suppression is when the news is more supporting, and the people protesting are taking to the streets to do so.
Protesting at colleges for or against religious beliefs is not acceptable because in America we have Freedom of religious rights for all Americans, that is the law.
In the 60's the students, and others were protesting against America being involved in the Vietnam war, when American soldiers were being sent to Vietnam to prevent communist takeover there.
The line is drawn when Democracy, Freedoms and terrorists attempt to take over.
NO ONE IS BELIEVING ANYTHING YOU SAY ANYMORE
We didn’t fund that other stuff and we did protest the Iraq war
Exactly
😂
I was just about to post that same thing. The US is complicit in this, but I am sure we will not pay a price for it. And when we do, we will cry terrorism.
Also, when liberal Syrians asked for help, they got it as soon as we could practicably do so.
@@DeaconBlues25 Complicit in HAMAS' terrorism? Do explain.
Joe, you are wrong on this. I was part of the student protests at the University of NH during the Vietnam War. These same protests that occurred all across America served to eventually end the war in Vietnam. I am really surprised by your reaction to the protests. It is a bit hypercritical in that advocate each day on your news show and provide your opinion.
Joe is an authoritarian Nixon Republican, always has been. Nobody should be fooled.
Morning Joe gave Trump tons of free air time in 2016. They did plenty to help Trump get elected the first time.
Were you guys screaming death to america and burning flags and flying flags of terrorist groups? I doubt it
Ambulances wouldn't have been able to get through if someone had a heart attack. NO, not in convenience, but a hostile take over. People might have had children to be picked up; perhaps a parent was dying in a hospital. A woman perhaps in labor. Keeping people hostages is not an inconvenience, it is a terrorist action. You don't right a wrong by doing criminal behavior. What if your mom, dad, son or daughter had been shot? Yes, it has happened before on that bridge as well as other freeways here. Would you have the same attitude if one of them died? I highly suggest you rethink your argument.
Joe probably is More of an out spoken person Now. Then in his youth. A lot of parents went Repub Evangelical to keep their children out of the protests of that era.
@@nooshinscorner During COVID Trump Maga were blocking entrances to Hospital Emergency Entrances in Protests. One of the only places that had traffic that need to get through. Remember the Doctors coming out & trying to get them to leave. Or just let Emergency Vehicles through. Maga has in recent history set some extremely bad examples for young people. A lot of Anger.
Joe: "Protests have a time and place." Now is the time, and Columbia is the place. Protests are never convenient for the targets. That's the point. As for Jewish students being harassed, you never reported any specifics, just mentioning in passing that it was happening. Which students? What happened? Who did what to whom? Does MSNBC still report the news anymore?
They didnt mention it because its a dog whistle
The most ridiculous complaint I heard was that an Israeli student who was in the IDF was afraid of being harassed as he walked across the Columbia campus. Good thing he never had to walk across a battlefield.
In America we praise the Boston Tea Party. Anyone else see the irony here.
It’s incredible the double standard
No double standard.
An insurrection you mean?
NO. We don't have a King. NO irony here Mr.
More like hypocrisy.
In bringing up Vietnam, it made me remember a line from a protest song of that time
“It’s always the old who lead us to the war / It’s always the young that fall”
It’s sounding to me the adults are willing to sacrifice the potential of the young to maintain their position rather than be open to change or even just to listen.
Yet college students were exempted from the draft. Most soldiers thought they were spoiled brats.
YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING ANY WAR. OTHERS ARE DOING THAT FOR YOU! GET REAL.
Are you being asked to go to war?
Politicians have killed the USA
@@thepilgrim6375For how long? The disdain most older people have for the younger generations and saying THE PROBLEMS THEY CREATED ARE OUR PROBLEMS TO FIX IS GOING TO GET PEOPLE KILLED
What an incredibly childish outburst from Joe and Co. Talk about loss of balance in the media!
Protesters, one thing camping out on school grounds and keeping people from education that’s not allowed people pay money to go there. Maybe your parents are rich and they can afford it. I don’t want my kid involved in this crap. They’re there to go to school not protest.
@alice, so you don't want your kid to exercise his crappy right to protest, if he/she so chose to?
No he's spot on.
@chriskelly6559 but but but student debt relief
@@Mike-ns1ho you’re being silly again Mikey!
And the people sitting in at lunch counters were high school students. Real change almost always comes from the ground up, i.e. the younger generation.
Indeed Help Palestinians 🇵🇸 Free Palestine
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ---- THAT SPEAK THE LEVEL OF IDIOCY !
@@worldnewsvideos
Hamas’ propaganda is brilliantly crafted with all the right buzzwords to entice young American far lefties who think they are experts in everything but know nothing.
They exploit words like apartheid, colonization and genocide in cause accusations of Israel that actually reflect Hamas.
Hamas’s creation of SJP to exploit college campuses was a brilliantly evil strategy.
I think the point was that they disrupted others from learning. The lunch counter sit-ins were off school campus.
@@jessicaatkins3173 You seem to have forgotten the 60s. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." --JFK.
''If you are not careful the newspapers will have hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.''
el-Hagg Malik-el Shabazz aka Malcolm X
It's 2024. These protesters post videos of themselves behaving poorly. No newspapers needed.
You’re so right. It is alarming how much public support there is for Hamas right now.
@@jonathanraz819mass psychosis, similar to what they cultivated during Covid (on both pro and against sides). It’s sad that this country is so uneducated they can just be swayed by whatever they’re fed on TikTok, not a good sign for the county’s future
@@jonathanraz819 The media is overwhelmingly pro Israel so how do you think this is an apt parallel?
@@jonathanraz819 no one's supporting Hamas
Protest is as American as apple pie. This country was conceived and born out of protest. Agitate, agitate, agitate. Keep it up.
Calling for violence isn’t protected speech buddy
@@ScottsGuitar Protest, is not violence.
@@makeit-takeit6707 not sure you read my comment. I didn’t say protest, I said calls for violence. They are Not the same
@@ScottsGuitar I wonder if Netanyahu understands that distinction.
@@makeit-takeit6707
Unlike some people, he nevertheless sees militants among civilians.
It’s crazy the disparity in support for Ukraine and this other conflict. I’m an American volunteer in Ukraine and all I heard when I was trying to get support was, “why don’t you volunteer in Africa, or why don’t you volunteer in Myanmar.” There are zero Ukraine clubs on campus but there was both Israel and Palestine club the day after the hamas attack.
The Israeli and Palestinian Clubs have had 75 years to get organised.
McCarthy made sure there were never any Eastern Europe Clubs.
American volunteer in Ukraine??? Hmmmmmm. So how do you feel about the fact Yanukovych was overthrown by insurrection turned coup on Feb 21st 2014 with Volodymyr Parasyuk declaration?
@@LeftWingNationalist insignificant point thats only good for creating confusion. Next you’ll say say civilians were shelled in Donetsk lol.
@@Hussarianbrother There were. Shelling was back and forth between both factions. I wasn't aware overthrowing a democratically elected president by insurrection turned coup is insignificant. Well EuroMaidan was worse than J6. So any JUSTIFED condemnation of J6 requires equal condemnation of EuroMaidan if not more.
@@LeftWingNationalist Are you talking about how Yanukovych was voted out of office by the Ukranian Parliament after he had protestors shot, then fled to Russia? Is that what you're referring to as a "coup"?
Killing people in Gaza? No problem
Protests in the USA? Not allowed
Protests are fine. Blocking traffic and breaking into buildings isn't.
Not on private property. Not at work either. Ask the 28 google employees who were fired for in office protesting.
@@user-bb1vq5if7m Did you say the same about BLM
Don't be naive
@@lillianmatthew3880 Absolutely. BLM weren’t protests. They were riots.
Protests in the 60s and 70s actually helped to affect change in the USA and the world. The talking heads are selective in their statements. And at times they are condescending.
You equate the peace and love protests of the 60s and 70s to the genocidal chants and anti Jewish and. Anti Israel attacks heard today on campuses across the nation.
This students actually support ISIS!! Hamas and Isis are the same!
change for the worse
@@pureblood6492 Sorry your life turned out so poorly.
@@markbuchholtzSacramentoCAUSA america did, and if u are in cali your life is likely much worse than mine.
@@pureblood6492 Then I'm happy you are not in California.
Werent he civil rights activists in the 60s beaten by racist cops for blocking traffic?
This is different.
Aren't racist cops still beating people of color?
The activists of the 60s were demonstrators were there for something real. Today's demonstrators are there because they believe propaganda spread by Iran.
@@fredfreddy8684 yeah ,those are mostly BLACK this is mostly BROWN 😂😜🤦♀️🤷♂️
@@fredfreddy8684 how is it different? Those were the same arguments used by segregationists
The difference between what's happening now, With the Israeli attacks in Gaza and the genocidal massacres in Syria and Iraq is US participation. Israel receives munitions and other military aid from the united states. So the United States is a party to the genocidal massacre now occurring in Gaza.
“You can have free speech, just as long as it’s not too free and not about things we disagree with. Here’s your little protest recess area, children, this box here is where you are free.”
I thought the entire United States was a protest area.
@@norman_5623me too
👏👏👏
I'm trying to consider what is the actual ramifications of your logic. Normal society that benefits all people has to be able to still function. That's why protests are allowed and for the sake of all citizens, are given appropriate spaces. I feel it's unrealistic to expect ALL spaces no matter what is going on in that space to become fair game for intentional disruption. Does that mean protesters get to walk into areas of business and shut it down, stripping other people of their right to work? Do people get to go into religoius buidlings and protest, disrupting a eucharist or prayer time or sabbath meeting because every space is supposed to be protest space? What about the buisness people? The worshippers? Are protesters able to come on your property and into your kitchen and protest?
I really think having designated areas for protest is the wisest path in a pluralistic society filled with a multiplicity of different individuals that have their own daily goals that maybe don't overlap with a partiuclar protest. Protests that have the right to disrupt every space and enforce themselves upon every citizen is a poor handling of freedom of speech, imo.
They only approved communist propaganda protests
"we've given you a place to protest" = "we've given you a place where your protest wont motivate any change whatsoever."
Type slower.
Supremacist statement. "We've given you..."
It's within your right to protest as long as you're not breaking the law.
Its okay to protest, my man.
Isn't that what Shrub did?
“Giving you a place and time to have free speech” is not Free Speech at all
these protests have been hate speech and violent
Meh. It’s a private university. Choosing not to allow massively disruptive protests on their grounds isn’t a violation of free speech in any way. It’s protecting the investment of other people who went there to learn.
@@Jnt710 Yet conservatives still complained about freedom of speech when it came to private social-media companies dictating what they can and cannot say on their private platforms. Both parties pick and choose when the protections held by private institutions apply to them.
@@IrvinCE conservatives complained about the FBI working with social media to censor certain demographics. There’s a pretty big difference, Irvin.
Time, place and manner are always pertinent factors.
The US for all the rather cheap and tawdry rhetoric about how free it is has always had very fragile, insecure public discourse. The red scare and mccarthhyism was merely a particularly notable outbreak of a chronic condition, it certainly wasn't unique. The tendency to demonise and misrepresent sections of opinion that exist outside of the mainstream in a given era has consistently been upheld with real force and coercion.
And that continues to this day. The alternative, of course, would be to actually discuss the topics, something that virtually never happens in American media. Discussion is limited to the horse race of political conflict, or to discussing sides in an argument, but almost never the actual topics. With those you might get a monologue from a host, but you will never get anything resembling discussion. Interviews will be short, curated, and punctuated by leading questions and framing devices.
US political speech is highly performative, it expresses normative views in positive language, and castigates in the extreme those viewed as opposition, while consistently defending those viewed as aligned. The actual substance or facts are again conspicuously absent save where it serves the purpose, in respect of the polarisation of allegiance.
And these are of course, in the end, some of the reasons the US is also particularly mired in distrust and reflexive cynicism, albeit managed distrust, managed cynicism. Because anger and disenchantment don't lead to evaluation or education, they mostly just lead to blind acceptance of some third-party narrative about how bad things are. And so nothing actually improves, the misery is entirely circular.
But that doesn't mean that views don't change. Views on Israel and US policy, and historical policy on Israel have changed, and no amount of frankly repressive behaviour by universities is going to cause young people to meekly revert to the preferred views of their elders, because that simply isn't ever what happens. And I'm not talking of course about some specific protest but rather the larger scale empirical evidence. Things have shifted, they won't shift back.
You don’t have the right to threaten students spit on people and keep other people from going to school that they paid for. It’s not free people are paying for this. They were right to go to class and live in peace.
Gaza isn't just important to Palestinian people in America. Its important because some Americans don't like to see our country support genecide.
Those same Americans should recognize things like genocide being redefined.
Where were they when Saudi Arabia, backed by other Arab countries , killed and starved out more than 400,000 Yemenis?
Or when Arab dictators killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya?
Or when ISIS beheaded tens of thousand of Arabs in Libya, Syria and Iraq?
Why didn't they take to the streets and call for ceasefire and wave their flags?
When millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs, they say absolutely nothing.@@WAEVOICE
I wish I could escape this planet. There’s literally nowhere safe
You can escape by not watching the news it will change your life all they do is lie and try and control you and when u don't pay attention they will try and demonize first then attempt ban on social media because your not pay them any attention.
Move to Gaza. You love the people there so much…
You are correct. Move to a small town. Zero problems. Radicals see small towns as insignificant
Palestinians feel the same way, but they have no where to go unfortunately.
@@hazelbasil6451 Maybe they should disperse and go into countries all over the world like the jewish people had to do thousands of years ago after the Egyptians expelled them?
No word about USC canceling the Muslim valedictorian's speech. Hmmm...
Private UNYS are smarting up.
They’re realizing the core customer , (the parents) aren’t down with their kids going to institutions that have become safe spaces for radical Islamic fundamentalist and danger places for anybody that doesn’t bow to their zealot “anti” rhetoric.
“ Freedom to peacefully assemble” not freedom to forcefully prevent people from using roadways, bridges, classrooms, businesses, workspaces MUCH LESS accost, bully , intimidate, threaten, or hold people against their will
Fight issues not the people. Love to our Jewish and Arab neighbors world wide🕯️
No. Level everything in the region. Everything.
@@blakethegreatone2058 what region?
@@michaeldennistooley4271 his house.
@@michaeldennistooley4271the middle east.
@@blakethegreatone2058absolutely.
Oh,the protests are inconvenient? 😂😂 Joe, sorry. I believe you are on the wrong side of this. Pro Palestine does not equate to anti semitism . I am profoundly anti Maga and GOP, does not make me anti American. Also Joe, your talking about ones rights not impeding another’s, however, the 2nd amendment indeed does that every few minutes in this country.
All you have to do is protest and you are antisemitic? The chemical attack upon protesters by foreign exchange Israeli students was not punished as harshly as trespassing.
What chemical attack? Where? When?
Stop threatening and spitting on people they’re there to go to school
@@aliceroberts1980Are you a first-hand witness to students threatening or spitting on people?
@@meliw4142no, she’s not. but her kid is telling her all kinds of wild stories because they’d rather skip class.
Maryam Alwan was writing about this in the Columbia Spectator. The Columbia students who were former IDF soldiers were caught releasing toxic chemicals on pro-Palestinian protesters, but there were no NYPD arrests or public updates. A Palestinian student who was taking down "Get Hamas off campus" posters, which were illegally glued onto university dormitories, was arrested and suspended.
The kids are alright 👍🏻
The kids are little sheep with face coverings and mindless chants they don't even understand.
They're not
‘The ultimate tragedy it is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people, it’s the silence over that by the good people’
What BS.
It’s not BS you had your time of protest now it’s time to go back to class. People are paying for their children to be able to go to class not be harassed or spit on.
So, what's your solution Joe. They should all shut up and go away until there is an issue you approve of?
@@708robertd what?
Apparently so
We don’t care. Get a life.
They can protest AND respect their university and classmates.
Stop blocking students trying to attend class.
....and you're on the wrong side of history (again).
Whatever your position on this issue is, or what "appropriate behavior" might be, I find it weird to hear the argument that protesting crosses the line when it disrupts. Isn't disruption the whole point of protesting?
Interfering with "business as usual" is the point, especially when the protesters do not have political lobbying power. Imagine if the civil rights movements had settled for only protesting in venues that don't disrupt the status quo.
YES! EXACTLY THIS!!⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
Protest someplace else people are trying to go to school and they have a right to not be threatened or spit upon. They’re paying for an education.
@@aliceroberts1980 Again, seems to me that's the point of protesting. If it wasn't inconvenient, "the machine" wouldn't care. I don't condone spitting or violence, and I didn't imply support for or against this cause. However, I would argue (again) that disruption IS THE POINT of protest...along with raising awareness of the issues.
People don't agree with the disruption until it's a cause that they have the conviction to stand up for. Anti-abortionists disrupt. Anti-racists disrupt. Pro-union protesters disrupt. I doubt there have been many successful protests in this (USA) country that weren't disruptive, but I am not a historian. Perhaps some of these students will end up learning more about history because of this. Perhaps some students will dig into social and philosophical nuances involved in geopolitics. Education is not just about taking tests and checking boxes.
Your ideas are warped. Protesting does not mean disruptions of other people's rights and livelihoods. People who do not care, and you cannot make people care. If anything they make people who normally neutral now people despise you.
@@aliceroberts1980found the fool
So college students are children now? Are we not in college to get an education and have our own opinions? Since when is NBC like this? Please
The left wing media played you kids just like Fox and the Olds 😂😂😂
Always lol but glad you're finally noticing their state run propaganda now
18-24 year olds are both adults and children when it is convenient.
They have the right to say no to evil
How did we get to a point where speaking out against the killing of children and civilians has become anti-Semitism? Dubbing any criticism of Israel as "anti-Semitism" is absurd and only enables them to continue these atrocities. Would you ever say that criticizing Northern Ireland was "Anti-Catholic"?
and if so, would it be taken the same way? (i.e. to the brink of world censorship)
How many percent of Palestinians support Hamas?
That a lie. Palistine committed an act of war on Israel
Because they are the human shields not the target.
@@griefg2967 i don't think there supporting much of anything right now... they're literally dematerializing as we speak...
If you cannot disambiguate "religion" from "politics," you are part of ancient history. One may desecrate the Israeli flag without being anti semitic. Your position insists all Jews must identify with and support the anti human, ethnic cleansing the Israeli government is engaged in.
FIRST; its "religion" WAR, right? you know place called Jerusalem?
SECOND; can you take "religion" out of PALESTIAN flag?
If people would look up the word "semite" they'd find out that it includes Jews & Arabs!
Your trash
No, that's definitely anit Semitic......
Hmm, so you cannot criticize Israel politics without being anti-semitic? Can you tackle those disruptive protesters without kiling off an honest, critical debate? Watching from Europe, the civilians in Gaza/ Palestine do suffer and die, and Israel is not really acting great right now
It's very reminiscing of the Vietnam era. Still such harsh response to peace protesters over 50 years later. 😔
no. Vietnam era was when they would snatch college students and force them to go fight. These days they just change gender and scream. They aren't being forced to risk their lives. NOT THE SAME.
This rationale that there weren't protests for xyz, so why is there a protest for Palestinians, seriously stupid!
Yes it is. It means you are selective about who should be saved.
Arabs have been killing Arabs in far greater numbers in wars over the last 3 decades. The US has been responsible for the deaths of scores of Arabs in wars in the Middle East that absolutely dwarf the numbers in Gaza. But it’s curious that these students come out in their masses only when Israel responds to the worst terror attack in its history while trying to fight an enemy that’s camouflaged amongst civilians while that enemy has 200+ of your hostages.
@@rutvikrs how could anyone online possibly know that?!
@@zainubumar observing behavioral patterns over time.
@@rutvikrs you mean stalking?
The normal functioning of our country, or the Status Quo in other words, is unacceptable.
Powers to protesters opposing genocide
Referencing the 1968 demonstration at Columbia did not strengthen Joe’s argument.
So I guess Joe would step back in time to stop the marchers on the bridge in Selma. Too disruptive
Whatboutism is never a good defense
Hamas’ propaganda is brilliantly crafted with all the right buzzwords to entice young American far lefties who think they are experts in everything but know nothing.
They exploit words like apartheid, colonization and genocide in cause accusations of Israel that actually reflect Hamas.
Hamas’s creation of SJP to exploit college campuses was a brilliantly evil strategy.
“Protests have a time and place” opines the millionaire talking head. The point of a protest is far greater than to merely express an opinion. It is to change reality and that involves disrupting the normal flow of business. Leave it to corporate media to champion freedom of speech so long as it makes nothing happen.
It's the same line used against just stop oil at the Louvre. If art dies, it dies. If climate change happens everything dies.
65k views and less than 2k likes that's pathetic Numbers and should show how bad the state run propaganda is not trusted
Anti Israeli gov is not anti semitism. A an israeli- born American I'm not impressed with this status quo nonsense.
the thing is that it never stops at Anti Israel. these anti israel people also harrass jewish students on campus and elsewhere.
Who cares at this point? I take "antisemitism" to be "anti-fascism" at this point; it's a badge of honor.
Israel is evil
What is going with my country. All these people has to go to jail and deported from country.
It is a weak and disingenuous argument to suggest that because people did not ban together and protest other atrocities it is too late or less meaningful to protest now. There is a difference in awareness now. People aren’t being fed the government rhetoric, they are able to learn first hand what is happening and use their voice to protest. It should be applauded not disparaged
Right. It's also weak and disingenuous to complain that people didn't protest other atrocities if you didn't protest those atrocities yourself.
You lose the narrative when “from the river to the sea” is woven throughout these protests. Facts on the ground sometimes do matter, not just generalizations to fit the narrative in your head
@@ScottsGuitar A lot of those facts reflect an ongoing total disregard for humanity in Gaza
@@VV-lz1xp and what of accountability for the use of aid money by Hamas to build weapons and tunnels instead of schools? You’re willing to call out both sides I assume yes?
Here’s a nice thought experiment for you: do Palestinians hold Israeli government positions and citizenship? Do Many Palestinians live in Israel in peace with Israelis?
Ok ok, now how many Israelis do you think would survive a week in Gaza?
This is not a fight against moral equals
Headline: Students across America are awake. Students consider a national strike against the government’s policy of Genocide in Gaza.
Not all students, just the brainwashed ones.
Kendra Clark
Bahaha 😅... Don't start a fight you can't finish.
Why do they still wear N95 masks ?
If they're chanting death to America, in America. They need to be deported immediately.
@@Jetty-hs6kx Because MSDNC told them to.
"Stopping the normal functioning" is a part of how most protests work. These people want convenient protests that have no impact.
Exactly. They’d rather have political action that is more like a parade.
These people think the only acceptable way to advocate your opinions is to get your own tv show.
Wrong. Grow up and get over yourself.
Central Park is the 3rd most visited tourist destination in New York City and has over 40 million visitors per year. It is a public park and protesting there would be perfectly legal. It is also several blocks from Columbia University. These college students could of figured this all out I'm sure and could protest every day of the year legally if they put their thinking caps on.
@@markstocker5121million man march, Kent University protests, Tianamen square. Protests are supposed to be disruptive by nature. Its not suppose to be convenient
@@markstocker5121i dont think you would like the alternative to peaceful protests
Protest isnt always pretty. In the 80s we students helped end apartheid by sitting in university offices and demanding divestment from south africa
Yeah, and look at South Africa now. It is a corrupt dung hole.
Thank you for that, or i'd still be standing in front of a door that has a sign
saying "whites only"
Protests that are easy to ignore are easily ignored.
Protest that inconvenience people turn those people against your cause.
Friend the point of protest is the inconvenience
@@greywolf845 Great. The people inconvenienced will now be against you.
@@roejogan7770 They aren't trying to recruit people for their cause, they're trying to bring pressure upon those in authority.
@@roejogan7770they said the same when civil rights marches were happening….”they are blocking bridges!!!! Get the dogs and water hoses!!!! They are turning the population against them!!!!”
It's really uncomfortable that genocide can just happen and everyone expects life to go on
The reason why is because the people in power are the ones who are facilitating the genocide. So this is offensive to them!!!! The media also is there to protect the establishment and genocide is what they want right now.
Glad to see student activism is alive and well in the US -- unfortunately, they -- like everyone else who has to deal with any religious conflict -- can only make futile gestures because, with religion at the heart of the problem between Israel and the Palestinians, there can be no solution. Religion has to be taken out of the equation first before progress can be made, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's not about religion, that's what they want you to think to justify israel's apartheid regime......... you should open a history book instead of reading propaganda
@@alexh1111 in case you were asleep, all the major religions agreed that they all worship the same God... Except for Buddhism and whatever India is worshipping....
@@danhtran6401pls do me a favor and go read the first few lines of the Hamas charter and then get back to me on that
@@alexh1111
Says the user who's never taken a glimpse at the Knesset.
This is not a religous conflict israel is on a settler project guided by bloodlust and racism
You can be against the Israel as a country and be for Jewish people at the same time.
You can protest on public property, not private property. Also, don’t protest at work.
No, you can't. Jewhater!
@@josephjones825 Oh, look... it's one of Bibi's pathetic American ZioNazi sympathizers, taking time away from fellating Bibi to be a Trump clone.
Why are they hated?@@josephjones825
We need to do some investigation to find out who is funding these protests.
Coming from a guy who answers yes sir, whatever you say sir to his corporate masters is wortless reporting
At least the students have conscious. You all forgot the Palestinians in Gaza
You all forgot the atrocities committed by those "poor, oppressed Palestinians" in Israel, which is the cause of this reprisal! They've had several chances in the past to have their own country and it always came to naught because their revered leader wanted it all!
@@rosemarieholley6551you could literally say the same thing about revolutionary America
These students only have a conscious very selectively.
@@43supermm, revolutionary America was more civilized.
Anti genocide is not antisemitism
Targeting militants within civilians =/= targeting civilians.
These two can't talk worth crap.
NO ONE ATTACKED a Jewish student. Stop with this victim mentality. Its getting old now.
Pretending something didnt happen doesnt mean the problem magically goes away. Jews in the US have always been targeted everytime conflict arises in the East. And American leftists aren't unknown to attach to any movement in order to engage in violence and destruction.
Not allowed to criticize certain folks
You’re allowed to criticize but not threatened or spit upon people
3:19 The reason you didn’t see these same protests regarding the war in Syria is because OUR GOVERNMENT WASN’T GIVING ASAD OUR UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR HIS MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS. My god, this was the first dumb thing in a long, dumb segment.
Good, this has been getting out of hand.
"All those 20 somethings are awfully loud, where were they 10 years ago HUH!??"
Very proud of these students for standing up for their morals and fighting oppression of a whole people.
Where were they when Saudi Arabia, backed by other Arab countries , killed and starved out more than 400,000 Yemenis?
Or when Arab dictators killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya?
Or when ISIS beheaded tens of thousand of Arabs in Libya, Syria and Iraq?
When millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs, they say absolutely nothing.
What oppression?
Why don't you go to another college if you do not agree with the administration?
@@carlzobel513 The occupation of Palestinians would be oppression. And I am long out of college. I am just happy that our young people have clear understanding of what's right and wrong.
I don't agree with the moral equivalence of "I didn't see the protests during the Syrian crisis" is a bit shallow by you Joe. Millions of people share their views only that you are stymied by your bosses to discuss this subject so try and refrain from talking about this topic at all if you don't have free reign to bring in experts to shade light on the subject. You only speak for Isreal from what I have seen and fair enough (that's the side your bread is buttered).
Protesting doesn’t give your right to threaten other students or spit on anybody
@@aliceroberts1980 I don’t get it. Are you saying it was a spitting protest? You can’t meet the substance of their issues and now you try to distract with silly pettiness. My concern is we do not hear this issue discussed here on this show and we all wonder why. 🤷🏽♂️
@@jonahsekakonimany protestors were calling for the death of Jews, so I’m sorry, if maybe the “messaging” is getting lost in the mix
The protesters clearly Don't care about Palestinians but only the fact israel being involved in the conflict
They didn't protest for syria, libiya or yemen
When millions were killed there
@@ScottsGuitar Lies! The protestors include Jewish students. The only fools conflating Jews and Zionists are ADL and Bibi's gov
Everyone should be writing their representatives.
Legislation needs to be worked on RIGHT NOW , to cut all public funding to these institutions.
I wonder which "professor" told them it would be a good idea.
Universities are supposed to be for speech and debate.
Being against a country is not the same thing as being against a religion.
Religion is a blight on humanity.
Yes, not threading, threatening or spitting upon people or keeping people from getting to class. It cost a lot of money to go to college that’s your money
@@aliceroberts1980 the college failed first.
And did you know college used to be free?
You sound like a bigot.
@@al-bot1094 Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences for that speech.
How is religion a blight on humanity when every civilization ever to exist was founded on religious ideology?
Seriously, Joe? Where were these protesters when Saddam Hussein...? They were not born yet. That was your generation. Where were you? And Syria? Many of our newest Americans are refugees from Iraq and Syria. Get out and meet these protesters to know who, from where, and why they are where they are today.
Find a protest, but you can’t make encampments on school property. You can’t threaten other students and you’re not allowed to spit on other students either. That’s not free speech. And people send their kids there to go to school. They’re paying money for this and you’re disrupting things. I paid money for my kid to go to school a lot of money. You have no right to keep my child from going and getting an education.
If Joe was alive during the Vietnam war, he would also be among those criticizing students for protesting the war..
There is war in Sudan now. Where are your protests ? Same in Myanmar. Where are your protests ?
@@Dave05J one thing uneducated people don't understand is American tax payers are not funding the war in Sudan and Myanmar.. but American tax money is funding the Israel war.. that is why they are protesting.. get some education..
@@aliceroberts1980alice, if your kid doesn’t go to class “because of the protests” it’s because your kid doesn’t WANT to go to class.
Its like if you arent protesting you are not a real college student. People just protest now because they think it makes them special. They dont know what they are protesting about. They are 18 yrs old and latching onto the first idea that makes them feel important. They are intimating people, which is not protected speech.
Breaking up homeless encampments? Breaking up student protest encampments? Whats going on in America?
Loitering is a crime
@@roejogan7770misdemeanor
Tyranny
@@roejogan7770protesting is not loitering.
That's joe bidens America
Why aren't they protesting that Hamas murdered people at a music festival and Hamas still has hostages?
Bcs it doesnt fit their anti white anti west anti male anti family values. Half of them are They Them rejected from the family, other half are self hating refugees and the rest is minorities who waited this moment.
We both know the answer. They don't care.
Concentrate on one thing at a time pal.
tel aviv palestine 1947
Okay. The partition goes down. Then what? Are we just going to act like history started there? Should the land go back to the Ottoman Empire? How about the Philistines or Canaanites or the Israelites before them? How do you think all these peoples came to live and rule on this land?
@@spiritualpath8888
Having watched countless hours of this show I have come to the conclusion that Joe's default setting is 'bluster', unmoored from logic, ideal, or journalism. The whole point of a protest is to disrupt the system. Would he criticize a civil rights protest in the 60's for blocking a road (or a bridge)? I certainly hope not. And what difference does it make if someone is protesting an atrocity now and they didn't protest a previous atrocity? Most of the protestors on college campuses today were in High School or younger during the Syrian Civil War. Like Maya said, “Do the best you can until you know better. Then, when you know better, do better.”
Don't employ anyone who has attended university - just look at what you will get.
Yep
Joe is very out of touch here. Disappointing to see such a lack of honor and courage on his part.
Threatening and spitting on people it’s not a lack or or courage neither is disrupting school that people paid for their kids to go to. I pay a lot of money for my kid to go to college not for people to disrupt things someplace else.
Protesting in a large group is not bravery. Its cowardly.
@@aliceroberts1980 Normally I wouldn't respond to anything on here, but I just... I just can't. "I pay a lot of money" reeks of such out-of-touch entitlement, hahahahaha.
Perhaps, university management needs a class on the Bill of Rights.
Bill of rights applies to public spaces and the government. Private spaces can limit speech and Columbia is a private university and private property. Sounds like you need to read up instead.
@@eddwincedeno5387ppl that think they’re smart rarely feel the need to actually do the hard work to “be smart”. They can normally just coast on raw intelligence, except this time they’re bsing on objective facts and it’s easy to call them out on it like the children they are 😂
Perhaps you need a course on the Bill of Rights. It isn't a charter of expression anarchy.
This is what too much time on your hands looks like.
Enough is enough
I equate "pro-Palestinian" with "anti-genocide", but mainstream news refuses to use the word "genocide" in its continuing apathetic bias toward genocidal Netanyahu/Israel.
''Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
Voltaire
I think Bruno Bauer wrote something similar.
Hmm, absurdities.
What is a woman?
You have to quit with the quotes... It's embarrassing at this point😅
Deeply embarrassing.
Whose sucking up to tRUMP?
Duda!
Duda!
Whose sucking up to tRUMP?
Duda!
Duda!
Wow. The first time in a long time I’ve heard NBC present information that’s factual and not twisted into an editorial. Yay! Keep up the truth in news!
Be curious what the overlap might be with students claiming free speech infringements here and those students who might support infringement and caveats to free speech when it comes to things they dont support.
horrible take from Joe, who i agree with often. disruption is the phase of a protest when speaking isn't being heard, and sitting on a campus quad still seems pretty peaceful as far as disruption goes. US university students have every right to protest, especially because the US is funding and arming the very thing they are protesting. saying he didn't see these kinds of protests against Saddam just shows Joe is so out of touch from reality on this issue.
Threatening people spitting on them, making me feel unsafe that’s not free speech and that’s not protest. Also disrupting an honor ceremony for other kids that worked hard for something. They don’t have anything to do with the Palestinian people they didn’t do anything wrong.
Are you saying all those city council cease-fire resolutions didn’t work?
Had enough of protests not the crimes of the government. Load of bull
Embarrassing to be going through desegregation again.
Do you realize that harassment goes both ways right? We should not discriminate against Jewish people, but we should not discriminate against Palestinian people either. It just seems like Jewish people get more of the news about being discriminated against than the Palestinians do and that is wrong! Also, we have a right to free speech and the reason it has gotten so evasive is people don't feel heard plain and simple!! Maybe if people listened, they would not have to go to these extremes!
Although I understand the Israeli anger and resolve for Hamas, I am absolutely disgusted by the mass murder instigated by the far right in the country.
The protesters for the Palestinians have good cause to be upset but I'm starting to wonder, where they were for Yemeni conflict, the tragedy still going on in Sudan.
Lastly, the Arab and other States haven't wanted the Palestinians in their own countries for more than half a century.
There is plenty of shame to spread around but pathetically very little appetite for action.
These people have no idea what they're talking about. They are sheep
Yes, there is and disrupting classes and things people paid for their children to go to how is that helping the Palestinian people it’s doing nothing
75 years of occupation, apartheid and ethnic cleansing finally the world is recognizing them🇵🇸 Palestinian’s lives matter too!
Absolutely. Instead of protesting, just get a show on MSNBC and scream and whine for four hours each day complaining. Be like Joe. I'm sure that'll move the needle.
They have the right to Protest
Comparing Gaza to the Syrian Civil War is not accurate. The US did not supply the weapons that killed hundreds of thousands in Syria. It actively pushed against it. With Gaza, the US is actively giving the weapons used to commit ear crimes. That is a HUGE difference.
Look up night drops off arms from black hawk helicopters!
Where were these protesters when Syrians and Yemenis were dying? Did their lives not matter?
Anti Israel does NOT equate to being anti semitic
@@aaronhelvig9444The Palestinian people are a Semitic people anti-palestinian, rhetoric and expulsion like this is anti-semitic
Informed, reasonable, and proportionate criticism of specific policies or politicians from the state of Israel is not at all antisemitic. But denying Israel's legitimacy to exist, using repurposed antisemitic tropes to demonize the world's only Jewish state, holding the world's only Jewish state to a double standard, and holocaust inversion, is very much antisemitic.
Idea of jews not allowing to have a home is antisemitic
@@aaronhelvig9444how…if your anti Israel it means your against that corrupt right wing government…soo your saying the young Israeli students who feel Palestinian pain is also anti semic?.. what a broad and stupid take dude
Who cares. They belong in their own countries
It's been decades since I have been on a college campus but in my experience virtually ANYONE can come on campus and disrupt its grounds. Is this still true? Who knows if the people are even really STUDENTS!
How about disrupting the functioning of peoples entire families and lives, this is absurd.
What US doing now, same as China treat HK people. What a shame.
No, actually not threatening and spitting on people and making other students afraid to go to class or unsafe and their environment. That’s not free speech that’s terrorism.
LOL You have a serious problem with perspective.
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences for that speech.