What Happens if You Commit a Crime Aboard an Aircraft, or In International Waters?
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How was the comment 4 days ago when this was uploaded 1 minute ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣 surely none can surpass THE SKIES!!!!!
Question for you then Simon, you have specifically mentioned about things happening on board a ship and on the highseas, however, what if a group of survivors through some unknown yet unfortunate circumstances end up on an island, between them all they have the resources not only to survive but to build a ship, not just a raft but a full ship. working on the assumption this island is not in any nations territory and thus no previous ship mentioned, how is the new ship to be classified, does the island then become recognised as its own power at that point? does the ship itself becomes its own independent state, considering in the series of events the survivors would not of had the time or means to save their important documents, not only what happens to the ship, but how do these people get back home and re-intergrate into the world?
if you could maybe do a video on this, because i'd really like to know.
Could you do a video on the most loved/great people in history who did turn out to have done very bad stuff like Gandhi?
What did happen with the first crime in space not long ago?
Our medium-size town has several offshore islands at the beginning of “The Thousand Islands” (actually many more). One woman in labour was put on a ferry and gave birth en route. The child’s birth certificate reads “1 Queen Street” a unique address for the town landing site, shared by nothing or nobody else! 😃
I visited a friend in Canton NY this past June and we went to see Boldt Castle in the Thousand Islands. It's a very beautiful area! I would have loved to spend a second day there to just explore but we couldn't work it out.
So, what you're saying is I need to trick my nemesis into travelling to an island that no one lays claim to or a region of Antarctica? Then I aren't in international waters or skies.
Or that sweet spot in Yellowstone
@@eyekanspalwerds7824 Yeh I should have waited till the end before commenting :D
Well, issue with the sweet spot in Yellowstone is murder is still a crime there. Sure - you can’t be convicted of it, BUT you’ll surely be convicted of conspiracy, kidnapping, or other charges in other jurisdictions that will look dimly on your plot to commit the perfect crime.
Then you isn’t.
Or you can kidnap them and take them there. That way you can only get charged with kidnapping wherever you took them from. Much lesser charge than murder. Now that's some big brain thinking
I mean, you might have to deal with problems on a plane, but people trip and fall overboard late at night all the time. Such a tragedy that your nemesis is clumsy when drunk at midnight
New Casual Criminalist rules: Don't commit crimes in international waters and Don't commit crimes on planes.
At this rate we won't be allowed to do any crimes anywhere!
@@krampusklaws2238 Final rule: Don't commit any crimes anywhere.
@@bradbrandon2506 Damnit I played my self. Well done me you just ruined crime for everyone!
That doesn't help. Where can I commit crimes now?
😎Space!
Genuinely enjoyed this one. Simon's content is always good, but I had no idea how this worked
Oh my gosh, Simon went in hard for this one, and I couldn't be happier.
I’m interested in the legal status of planes passing over another country’s territory. I’m thinking of Belarus forcing a plane to land and arresting a dissident on board. I understand that was considered to be against international law, but I’d like to know how exactly.
I believe it was to do with the plane being in transit over Belarus, that the plane was Irish (Ryanair) territory ... and that, as far as international law was concerned, the person concerned hadn't done anything against the security of Belarus (he was simply a dissident who'd fled the country)
Yes, transit is the key there. As with the Philippine example in the video, the airplane can peacefully transit internal airspace of a country other than its home country without molestation as per maritime law. The Belarus incident was a good examp!e of a violation of that. I'd forgotten about that incident. Terrible situation, that. Not a surprising move by Belarus, but horrible nonetheless.
Hmm.
Stateless person who lived in Paris airport,unable to leave for a decade.He could have made a fortune as a hitman.Just by drinking tea with anybody who putin disliked.
Since they viewed the airport lounge area as NOT French soil.
@@victoriaeads6126 That incident came to mind when Simon read aloud the circumstances where a country may prosecute acts aboard an aircraft overhead. I have not heard of transit air traffic returning to Belarus skies since, thereby creating a large no-go zone from the black sea to Latvia (because of the Dutch plane shut down near the Ukrainian front between the two hot wars).
1. Buy Island
2. Create sovereign nation.
3. Resister ship
4. Commit crime.
5. Arrest self.
6. Find self innocent of crime.
There ya go, air tight.😉
"The next Dan Brown literary abomination"
Hahaha too true
"Mark Watney, Space Pirate." One of the best monologues I've read in a very long time, even if it didn't make sense in the movie (which was also very good).
I like the Sky Pirate better. Paint a plane black with a Jolly Roger flapping behind sounds hilarious.
Surely, you can't police the sky Simon
LMAO @ that intro! The darren Brown book part particularly hit home hahaha very good
Unfortunately murder on cruise ships in international waters tends to be ignored or covered up. Bad publicity ya know.
I know a guy in in a raincoat who wouldn't let that go :D
@@paulnolan4971 Poirot? Or Sherlock?
Columbo. Great episode!
@@darkincognito3826
The Gorton's Fisherman
@@shawbros Okay
I will fly the flag of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Who can stop me now!!! .... aww crap i didn't think this through
Iunno, there are so many theme parks, theme hotels, and theme cruises, SOMEONE is bound to work up some sort of "pirate theme" adventure experience...
Space... Space pirate! What's a space pirate say you ask? Nothing, because in space no one can hear you scream.
My dad was a merchant seaman. He decided that since he was working in international waters his income couldn't be taxed by the IRS.
He was wrong.😁
Not even the high seas is safe from the IRS, huh? Do they have ways of sailing to arrest people?
Interesting info, could come in handy in the future. Cheers!
I’ve flown that flight as well as the Los Angeles to Singapore which is the second longest in the world. They are really really long. Imagine being able to sleep for eight hours on an airplane, just imagine because that’s all that idea is, a dream. And then waking up and having another 10 1/2 hours left of flying to go… Trust me it’s long lol
I did Chicago to New Delhi, about 15 hours, that was not fun...😮💨
I'm live in Melbourne, Australia
Every international flight is long :-)
I hope you had your console with you.
I’m so sorry 😢 that you had to go through that. Horrifying.
@@davecollins6122 shush 🤫
This is the best, most Simon video, of all the Simon videos I've watched. And that's a lot of videos. So much information, so quickly delivered, with such detail, and such humor and snark. I learned more about maritime law in these 17 minutes than I thought could exist, and had fun while doing so. You -- and your team -- are a treasure! (And Tom Scott recently did a video about that crime-free zone in Yellowstone.)
Agreed. Simon ate his Wheaties this morning. He's in fine form.
Great energy in this one Simon!
I loved your teaser at the end for the paper written by Prof Brian Kalt about the Yellowstone "Zone of Death". It's amazing how his 2005 paper has popped up across several TH-cam channels recently. I'm looking forward to how you cover it in a new way.
"DRAMATIZATION" 16:00 Laughed hard at that caption. :)
Simon killed it so hard in this episode that he’s being extradited for his crimes. Get that bearded Legend into more white blazers!
Well damn, 2 years of planning just thrown out a week before I was renting a boat🤦♂️
What if I just want to travel the world, saving people from tyrants, with the help of a swordsman, a cook that uses a kick-based martial art, a long-nosed sniper, an anthropomorphic reindeer, and a girl with a weather-controlling staff ?
I would recommend eating a very specific type of fruit before your grand journey begins.
I watch pretty much all of his stuff on all of his channels. This is one of my favorite episodes for some reason.
Good thing a pilot can get police to meet the aircraft when it lands before any passenger is allowed off
You could always drop them off at 30,000 feet
Simon likes to put the laughter in manslaughter.
“No, you cannot get around maritime law by operating a pirate submarine” 😂
Simon this was hilarious! In short, nobody gets away with NOTHING. Keep em comin.
Tom Scott recently did a video on the Yellowstone void zone. DEFINITELY something Simon's crew could make into a fascinating piece.
I loved Tom Scott's take, too.
First thing that popped into my head! Tom Scott made that video just 11 days ago.
Tom Scott Yellowstone void zone th-cam.com/video/hECaXfk2Wo4/w-d-xo.html
Going further back was the Citation Needed episode on Backpacker Express, where Tom and company talked about air rage. I suspect quite a few people clicked on this video and immediately though “Aeroflot”.
1:20 start of content
You're a real one
Does throwing someone overboard count? That stuff happens a LOT and is rarely prosecuted.
You’re actually on to something. Many cruise ships are registered in countries of convenience. And many times they don’t have great police or law enforcements. There’s been many cases of cruise ship murders were no country claims jurisdiction or rather countries refuse to claim jurisdiction and crimes go unpunished. Usually they just aren’t investigated in the first place.
Fun sub facts about ships and aircraft. In both, left is port, right is starboard. Speed is measured in knots (nautical miles per hour). Navigation light (red and green) also are the same as to placement.
Add the tips for the criminals to the list from the Casual Criminalist 🤣
So many times I find you fascinating... Other times, well, you sound like my Biz and Tort Law Prof back in College 25yrs ago... 😂
Gonna keep watching however!
Good video 👍
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I want to know why there's a 50sq. mile zone over Yellowstone where you could (theoretically) get away with murder (aboard an aircraft) .... and does this have something to do with the super-volcano. i need to know ... and cannot wait for the video. Please, please, please ...........
Nothing to do with the super volcano. Search "Yellowstone Zone of Death" on TH-cam; Tom Scott recently covered it.
That Zone of Death is about 2 miles wide and 25 miles long. If you happened to fly exactly over it, you'd be lucky to have even a full minute above it. And you'd want to be /really/ precise with your location.
You'd probably just get charged by Idaho or Wyoming or the feds, or possibly even Montana, based on an assumption of your location outside the exact zone. And uh, good luck proving otherwise...
How much information do you, the writers and Simon, remember of all the videos you've presented? Just wondering 🤔
Listening to SW's other videos I would suspect nothing - they're on information overload
Agreed. He admits that he simply cannot retain everything. His less formal channels are a really interesting insight into how Simon manages to actually produce this much quality content.
Bet not as much as Alex Trebek… He did better than 78%…
He's said multiple times on some of his other channels that it's just in the eyes, out the mouth.
The SKIES!!! Please please can we have more Simon chewing the scenery?
Glad i watched to end to see you mention the strip of land in yellowstone
Great content.
I love this guy. Content is great, personality is great, style is great, this is a stellar content creator. Never a dull moment Fr
what about space? Surely no one can police the seemingly endless void of space in which we are but an insignificant spec?
Are there any movies where people commit crimes within different time zones using a “wormhole”?
Oh man! I can't wait to hear the video on the US PVP zone!
lol was just thinkin about piracy when the skull came up.
Shivered me timbers 🤪
Your presentation made me laugh, which is tough to do. 😃😆
The irony of The line in this where there's no place to commit crime without impunity when I just watched your video on the Dead zone in Yosemite Park 🤣
Hugo Grotius, or Hugo de Groot escaped in a book case from the castle Loevestein. That’s how I knew him, had no idee that he started this all.
SIMON... Now you got me on the hook for this Yellowstone bit! 😱😳😳😳
One small correction for you Simon, as the FAA is the Federal Aviation Administration, not the Federal Aviation Authority.
Jokes were great and all, but photos of those self-strangling crewmates topped it all lol
During the Vietnam War there was a curious jurisdictional “void” for the American merchant marine crews. Any crimes committed ashore by the American merchant mariners were ignored by the military because the mariners were civilians. The South Vietnamese police viewed them as working with the American military and not within their jurisdiction. Around the world the American embassy would often be responsible for dealing with crimes committed by merchant mariners and usually had a US Coast Guard officer assigned to assist them, but the one in South Vietnam declined having one (due to the local consul who had a previous bad experience with a USCG officer) and they fell behind on their caseload. Finally the shipping companies made a series of pleas with the USCG Commandant and he eventually assigned a tough USCG Commander assigned to the Military Sea Transport Service (MSTS) to get the merchant mariners back in line. Eventually the Commander got an assistant and they were able to finally establish some order.
"...to disembark him..." Aye!! Walk the plank ye scurvy dog!!!
Not riding an airplane or boat with Simon!
The bully. The guy who stole your love. The $&$$ing kid behind you who keeps kicking your seat
It seem that all the bases have been covered my aspiring criminal pirate friends.
I was screaming at the screen the entire time, Yellowstone… Great to hear you finished with that one..
11:28-11:36
Like Hulk and Banner or Jekyll and Hyde, Brain Blaze Simon takes over for the briefest of moments...
What if I make an unregistered ship out of coconuts, land my stolen ship on an island and sail away on the coconuts? Who can get me then!?!? Bwahahaha!!!
Tom Scott did a video on that area in Yellowstone :D
Thanks Simon. Now I have to rethink my new business I was going to be opening next month. lol
"and you set of for a life of plunder under the high seas"🤣🤣🤣
If someone commits a crime on an airplane over international waters, they should be "expelled" from the plane and allowed to have the international waters determine their fate! hahahaha!
You saying DB Cooper reminded me that literally today the baddest man to ever walk this planet literally posted a video about him. He said that he knows who it was and that he died a few years ago. And Uncle Chael P. Sonnen has never will never tell a lie. Undefeated, undisputed, GOAT.
Love the beard king
Couple years back I was at sea with 4 other guys working a fishing boat. A father and son pair that were out with us was arguing cause the dad smoked all the meth or maybe stole some from the son or something like that idrk I don't use drugs but it was something along those lines. The son actually killed the dad in his sleep. He smashed him with a boat alternator and also stabbed him. He tossed the alternator overboard and we ended up locking ourselves in the wheelhouse while he just tried to destroy stuff around the boat and smash the windows to get in. Not sure what he would've done if he got in, there was 3 of us in there and the captain had a handgun. We called the coast guard who escorted us back to the dock and questioned us all for quite a long time. Anyway, he ended up getting away with it cause supposedly his dad was molesting him when he was a little kid. And the siblings confirmed the abuse took place so he somehow walked? Which is absolutely nuts to me cause the guy JUST got out of jail for "kidnapping" he locked his girlfriend in the freezer at the restaurant we docked our boat at.
Get the feeling Simon has got to the Air Law exam in his PPL studies…
Is this a video that's gonna put me on some list?
i found this super interesting then when he started explaining the similarities between airplanes and ships and how they both need to be registered in ports etc my ADHD brain suddenly went, oh so THAT is why they are called AIR ports!
For the record i dont think i ever consciously wondered about this. I have a feeling others with ADHD will understand though lol
Completely. I have this happen all the time. I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure that the words Kremlin and crenellation are linguistically related. ADHD for the win 😂
The first passenger planes were all seaplanes, operating out of regular seaports. That's also why planes have a captain and a first officer, both ranks inherited from ships' officers. And a second officer for some planes, though that's really rare now.
I thought everyone made random connections like this all the time 🧐
AHA I got you now Simon, I'll become a space pirate.
If the high seas were lawless nothing would stop any navy from hunting down the pirates and end their existence without following any rules. So even pirates are kind of protected by international law. Not their business model but maybe their life.
The solution for unruly or violent passengers on a plain over international waters would be to ask the pilot to take it to 10000 feet and help the passenger off the plain. With their carry on of course.
So Simon, what I’m hearing is outer space is free reign lol
Literally yesterday I was thinking about that
Tom Scott did a video about Yellowstone dead zone 11 days ago.
simon energy level is high, have to do a second look if this is a brainblaze vid 😆
Simon, why do you have to crush our dreams? All I have ever wanted to be is a water, air and space pirate.
You can still do it.
All he says is that there will be consequences for your actions, which is only fair.
The man always keeping you down damn
What's up with that one specific spot in Yellowstone? I'd live a video about that
remind me Chow Yun Fat movie where he was tricked to board a private luxury cruiser but the trap was the cruiser under villain command to subtly crossing to another country that affiliated with him, so when the crime happens it's happened at other country waters
Someone didn’t check the route SQ21 takes to get from Newark to Singapore: it actually crosses the Atlantic before flying over the U.K., several European and Middle Eastern nations before crossing the Indian subcontinent on its way to Singapore.
Are there citations for any of this? I seem to remember seeing at least a brief bibliography at the end of a lot of Simon's stuff but I haven't seen anything like that in a while and don't see any links in the description to citations
@@callumwright7459 okay thank you. You should totally say that in each episode though
@@callumwright7459 That website is very clunky and isn't organized very well...
Munk Pack eater here. I actually use them backpacking, climbing, and cycling. They're absolutely delicious and beat the hell out of some of the other bars out there... Note: I eat a lot of bars.
The biggest problem with committing a crime in an area without any legal jurisdiction is that it would require planning. Unfortunately, *planning* an act that would be a crime, even if the crime won't take place in that jurisdiction, is a crime in almost every jurisdiction. Same problem with the Yellowstone Zone of Death. You *might*, MAYBE get away with the murder. But the planning? They're gonna slap the maximum sentence on you, and that's if a Federal court doesn't give itself power to try you.
So about that outer space limit.. Is there still a chance?
Way to squash my hopes and dreams for my retirement Simon. 😆😆😥
Man. I eat just buttered bread on the daily. I'll keep my carbs. Lol
"Sky pirates"
Tale spin theme starts p playing
Thank you..
So....
Hercule Poirot wouldn't be able to do a thing?
There is a section of Yellowstone where people claim you can get away with murder. Can Simon tell us if that is true?
Edited to add: should have waited til the end before posting.
I think there are already videos on that. No, you cannot get away with murder in such locations.
@@tiffanysandmeier4753 but it want Simon to tell me.
Three things. Getting to the place he mentioned at the end of the video is really freaking hard. No roads in 30+ miles of hiking over rough terrain and multiple river crossings just to get to the area and no one lives there. Plus you are still in Yellowstone national park and are subject to laws governed by the park thus could be arrested by park rangers. Second while Federal crimes sentences are longer as long as you are not a terrorist or convicted of treason etc and thus end up at the Alcatraz of the Rockies you will have a far easier time. Federal prisons are far less crowded, better funded (thus better food etc), pay their guards better etc and thus are far less likely to be killed, injured or raped. Third Simon did not answer the question of crimes committed beyond earth's atmosphere. Space law is still in its infancy and the details are still being worked out. NASA itself back in 2019 had a situation where a husband supposedly, committed a financial crime against his wife, an astronaut onboard the international space station. Since then laws have been passed about who has the authority and when inside the international space station. However crimes committed outside the international space station or say on a future commercial space station such as Blue Origin's Orbital Ring there is no laws or jurisdiction yet worked out.
There's of cause the legally upward escape: Be the king and anything you do is the law, no questions allowed (by you).
1:55 that sounds so personal
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
So when can I get away with strangling those who keep kicking on the back of my seat?