I know these are AF but how’s your experience with manual focus on these lenses? I love the idea of having AF if I need it but I would like to mainly use MF
Obviously they're not as good as actual cine lenses for manual focusing but I manual focus quite a bit with them and have no issues. There is a manual focus adapter that goes in the front which apparently makes it a lot easier and accurate.
I think you forgot the most important detail. That there are contacts in front of the lens. This is not disclosed yet, but there is possibility they will introduce either electonic VND or at least VND you can turn using this contacts. Small chance for anamorphic adapter too. If eVND is true assumption this will be huge, cause you can turn any sony camera into FX6 (kinda).
I didn't want to mention it because I didn't want to speculate to much! Yes the contacts are for accessories but none have been mentioned yet. Like I said I literally had the lens for a day and will continue to test as much as I can! But yeah a vnd type device will be incredible!
As soon as I have time! September is my busiest month this year for weddings, so its either away filming or stuck in the office editing! I have plenty of footage with it which helps!
T-Stops (from the ASC Manual) are light transmission compensated “F/Stops”… it’s really handy as it means lens swaps at the same T-Stop will be the same but it also means the job of working out light transmission has been done and any light meter should now line up a lot better. For me it’s also a good indicator of how good the lens is… this is probably a F/1.8 aperture (in mechanical ratio size) so at T/1.9 very little is lost… pretty dam good. Interested in what comes next for this set and what adapter they have for those front contacts
Yeah but it really wasn't the video to get into details of what a t Vs f stop were. Haha. Yeah I know very little about the front contacts so didn't mention them, I didn't want to speculate and get it wrong!
@@JayGilmourMedia I just put the actual definition out there before people start saying “they’re more accurate F/Stops”… they’re not, it’s just good to see them on an auto focus lens, usually have to consult DPReview for that data
I would love to! Unfortunately I'm still in the middle of a busy wedding season! Hopefully more content to come later. If you do want to know anything specifically, feel free to message.
Very little to none from my very basic tests, certainly none I can see straight away. But probably need to set out some stricter perimeters to see for sure.
Cine lenses have focus breathing. If you want a lens completely without breathing you’d need to spend tens of thousands on arri lenses that zoom slightly to compensate for breathing
This is such a random questions as the video is about the Samyang lenses (which I think look awesome). Buuuut! I am looking for a vlock solution for my Atomos Ninja and I saw that you are using some sort of cable! What cable are you using for it and how are you powering it? :) Kind Regards Jørgen
So I have a core swx and moman v mount batteries. I use a d-tap to locking DC cable which connects to the power output connector you get with the ninja. Hope that makes sense. Feel free to message on Facebook or insta for more info 👍
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What is about those contacts on the front of the lens. It’s like a second lens mount where it should be the lens filter…..
No. The idea is if you want a cine lens, and prefer manual you would move to the vdslr range. These slot into the gap between them and the photo lenses.
I have had this lens for a day before announcement so not much time to fully test. I'm using it at a wedding coming up so will be able to get into more detail then with a subsequent video. At time of writing this there is nothing released on pricing unfortunately.
Since the optics are based off of their photo lenses, isn't this just a photo lens with a cine label added to it? I guess having all the lenses using the same form factor is a big thing if you do a lot of gimble work, but I feel like the "first af cine lens" claim is sort of disingenuous on Samyang's part, unless I missed something... In other words, if I took a Sony photo lens, attached the rubber threads to a focus puller, would it then become an AF cine lens? By this definition yes, but obviously not in reality. The weight thing is cool though. I could see this being helpful for drones, gambles, and robotic camera systems.
I honestly couldn't go into the physicality of what makes a cine lens what makes a photo lens but it's certainly built different, focus breathing is practically zero, the focus throw is less. Cine lenses and photo lenses are different. So by definition you're incorrect when you say to just throw a rubber thread on it.
@@JayGilmourMedia Thanks for the response and it's good to know these things, I didn't mean any disrespect. Also, I'm glad there's more to it than just throwing a rubber thread! I was very confused by what exactly was meant by "cine af", since it's more expensive. Just wanted to add that I mentioned that they're optically the same because that's what Samyang said in a video from the conference where it was announced th-cam.com/video/lIY5c4tART0/w-d-xo.html. And by the way, thanks making the video and I'm excited to see what people do with this!
@@SimonBurnCreative Not that I know of, I would love to have a go, but for weddings they're just a bit too much!! haha I'll maybe borrow them for a couple of projects I have coming up.
@@fewo00 haha to be honest I realised the noises after I uploaded it, it was a proper rush job to get the video out! May have skipped some steps I usual do with audio!
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I know these are AF but how’s your experience with manual focus on these lenses? I love the idea of having AF if I need it but I would like to mainly use MF
Obviously they're not as good as actual cine lenses for manual focusing but I manual focus quite a bit with them and have no issues. There is a manual focus adapter that goes in the front which apparently makes it a lot easier and accurate.
I think you forgot the most important detail.
That there are contacts in front of the lens. This is not disclosed yet, but there is possibility they will introduce either electonic VND or at least VND you can turn using this contacts. Small chance for anamorphic adapter too.
If eVND is true assumption this will be huge, cause you can turn any sony camera into FX6 (kinda).
I didn't want to mention it because I didn't want to speculate to much! Yes the contacts are for accessories but none have been mentioned yet. Like I said I literally had the lens for a day and will continue to test as much as I can! But yeah a vnd type device will be incredible!
is it focus by wire or does it have hard stops?
No hard stops unfortunately
I can't wait...I need these lenses... now
Review maybe soon? :D
As soon as I have time! September is my busiest month this year for weddings, so its either away filming or stuck in the office editing! I have plenty of footage with it which helps!
T-Stops (from the ASC Manual) are light transmission compensated “F/Stops”… it’s really handy as it means lens swaps at the same T-Stop will be the same but it also means the job of working out light transmission has been done and any light meter should now line up a lot better.
For me it’s also a good indicator of how good the lens is… this is probably a F/1.8 aperture (in mechanical ratio size) so at T/1.9 very little is lost… pretty dam good.
Interested in what comes next for this set and what adapter they have for those front contacts
Yeah but it really wasn't the video to get into details of what a t Vs f stop were. Haha. Yeah I know very little about the front contacts so didn't mention them, I didn't want to speculate and get it wrong!
@@JayGilmourMedia I just put the actual definition out there before people start saying “they’re more accurate F/Stops”… they’re not, it’s just good to see them on an auto focus lens, usually have to consult DPReview for that data
more video about this lens please
I would love to! Unfortunately I'm still in the middle of a busy wedding season! Hopefully more content to come later. If you do want to know anything specifically, feel free to message.
BTW, is the focus breathing? If there is it's not a cine lens ;). So I hope there's none.
Very little to none from my very basic tests, certainly none I can see straight away. But probably need to set out some stricter perimeters to see for sure.
Cine lenses have focus breathing. If you want a lens completely without breathing you’d need to spend tens of thousands on arri lenses that zoom slightly to compensate for breathing
@@rorycowieson5924 Or have a camera body with breathing compensation.
Which will not work here, since samyang is 3rd party lens :(.
No, no, and just no
Samyang XEEN lenses do not have focus breathing at all. But this one has. I think it’s size is too small not to have focus breathing.
I can’t wait to test these lenses out. Thank you for this review.
Is it a true manual focus ring with hard stops? Or just a linear response ring
Unfortunately no hard stops but unlike the new photo lenses the focus throw is a lot shorter.
This is such a random questions as the video is about the Samyang lenses (which I think look awesome).
Buuuut! I am looking for a vlock solution for my Atomos Ninja and I saw that you are using some sort of cable!
What cable are you using for it and how are you powering it? :)
Kind Regards
Jørgen
So I have a core swx and moman v mount batteries. I use a d-tap to locking DC cable which connects to the power output connector you get with the ninja. Hope that makes sense. Feel free to message on Facebook or insta for more info 👍
What is about those contacts on the front of the lens. It’s like a second lens mount where it should be the lens filter…..
For accessories, I didn't want to mention anything in this video as I didn't want to speculate, but there's a few things I'm hoping for!
Are you able to put a VND on the lens?
Yeah the thread is a little further in past the connections. It's a 58mm thread. You can see the threads at 1:04
want to buy this and use it for photo? i wish samyang makes a 20mm 1.8 tiny series though
I think there is a 20 or something coming in the new line up, I'm not 100% on that though!
No distance markings for manual focus? Is it a focus by wire?
No. The idea is if you want a cine lens, and prefer manual you would move to the vdslr range. These slot into the gap between them and the photo lenses.
@@JayGilmourMedia Gotcha. Thank you for the First Look and response.
@@joeminnella4154 I appreciate the watch and comment 👍 there will be another soon when I get chance to use it properly!
Awesome, I look forward to it.
Looks quite interesting. What’s the price on these and what’s your opinion on the optical quality as a video lens?
I have had this lens for a day before announcement so not much time to fully test. I'm using it at a wedding coming up so will be able to get into more detail then with a subsequent video. At time of writing this there is nothing released on pricing unfortunately.
Where did you pick it up? :)
I'm a global ambassador for Samyang, I'm lucky enough to get lenses before release.
@@JayGilmourMedia Nice, hope to see more videos.
Since the optics are based off of their photo lenses, isn't this just a photo lens with a cine label added to it? I guess having all the lenses using the same form factor is a big thing if you do a lot of gimble work, but I feel like the "first af cine lens" claim is sort of disingenuous on Samyang's part, unless I missed something... In other words, if I took a Sony photo lens, attached the rubber threads to a focus puller, would it then become an AF cine lens? By this definition yes, but obviously not in reality. The weight thing is cool though. I could see this being helpful for drones, gambles, and robotic camera systems.
I honestly couldn't go into the physicality of what makes a cine lens what makes a photo lens but it's certainly built different, focus breathing is practically zero, the focus throw is less. Cine lenses and photo lenses are different. So by definition you're incorrect when you say to just throw a rubber thread on it.
@@JayGilmourMedia Thanks for the response and it's good to know these things, I didn't mean any disrespect. Also, I'm glad there's more to it than just throwing a rubber thread! I was very confused by what exactly was meant by "cine af", since it's more expensive. Just wanted to add that I mentioned that they're optically the same because that's what Samyang said in a video from the conference where it was announced th-cam.com/video/lIY5c4tART0/w-d-xo.html.
And by the way, thanks making the video and I'm excited to see what people do with this!
@@asimpletune I'm looking forward to what happens with the accessories on the front. We get told very little! Haha
Impressive lens, tiny for a cine, and that auto-focus is impressive too. 👍
Yeah its good, plus electronic connectors on the front for accessories which is intriguing!
@@JayGilmourMedia Are you getting the Xeen Meister series at all?
@@SimonBurnCreative Not that I know of, I would love to have a go, but for weddings they're just a bit too much!! haha I'll maybe borrow them for a couple of projects I have coming up.
Do the AF works in photo mode too? How fast and accurate is?
I haven't taken any photos with it yet. It feels like the new line up of Samyang photo lenses so should be good.
@@JayGilmourMedia you should try it
Wow, the tally light is so small and dim. Uesless.
Its filmed in bright sunshine, its far from useless and works great under the majority of circumstances.
Hi! Wonderful video, I really enjoyed watching it. Have a lovely day my fried ☺😀
all that talk without actual video samples.
Maybe if you listened to what I was saying that I only got the lens the day before..... You maybe want to check some of my newer videos..... Lol
Good review. No disrespect but please ase edit out your breathes n mouth noises. Pretty distracting.
Hahaha yeah breathing is annoying.... 😉🤣
@@JayGilmourMedia or just breathe louder into the mic or make more mouth noises .. lmao 😭
@@fewo00 haha to be honest I realised the noises after I uploaded it, it was a proper rush job to get the video out! May have skipped some steps I usual do with audio!