My husband and I both worked part-time when our children were young, as we wanted to give kids the best start. At different times he’d work longer hours than I and at others I worked longer than he did. (We married young and had our children in our 20s, and had no money but each had a good degree - acquired post child 1!) Interestingly this pattern of work did not negatively impact my career (or not hugely) as I was doing what was nearer the norm than my husband was - his employers initially thought him ‘unserious’ about his career!!!! We both worked until our late 60s! Interestingly, our pattern is still not common. In my career, I saw ‘childcare’ over the decades. It seems good for near 5 year olds but is still (IMHO) not good for babies under one. We now help raise our grandchildren which is a real privilege.
Hello from Newfoundland & Labrador , Canada 🇨🇦. TalkTV is a favorite I listen on TH-cam. Very well produced and thought provoking. Always enjoy the commentators with their British wit and humour ! Mr. Hitchens , really enjoy your perspective on British and international affairs. God Bless !
Problem is everything is depression now. Not just growing up or life. The only real way out of depression is hitting rock bottom and finding some fight in you somewhere to change.
@@mikeclifford7740 I did a few years back due mainly to a period of unemployment. Got so low I used to cry at night and hope I didn’t wake up in the morning.
@@fujohnson8667 so you know it’s surely a force to be reckoned with, but you are right, no pills are going to cure you at that, just our own willpower… I’m currently clawing my way out of that hole
@@fujohnson8667 that's being unhappy because you couldn't see a way forward. Depression isn't being unhappy, a person with depression can be depressed even when they should due to circumstances be content. Also leaving someone with depression to sink as low as they can to find rock bottom, and then they will hopefully find a new way, is not wise at all,. For an alcoholic, or a drug addict I would agree, but not with a depressed person. It's a bit like saying that the best way to deal with an anerexic is to leave them to starve and when they are hungry enough then they will start eating again normally. That's not going to work, coz anerexia is a mental illness, as is depression.
In the 1970s I was very grateful to my (now deceased) husband who supported my wish to stay home with the children until they started school. Then I did temporary work so could take off school holidays. Although he was a professional it was very hard financially and took a long time to recover. Tax allowances for married couples ceased at the end of the 1960s and also no tax allowances for children. It was almost as if certain sections of society were out to undermine the "normal" family.
What your late decent husband and yourself did was quite normal Mary, and i bet neither you nor he had any regrets, i well recall working up to 100 hours a week spread between several jobs in order to provide for our children in those days. We'd do it again too, it's not a choice it's something of a duty for men brought up in a certain way having been lucky enough to have honourable fathers to learn from and wish to emulate, funny thing is even though he's now been passed more than 30 years i still have to do right by my Dad to honour him. Our country is not better for the passing of decent men and decent women.
@@lewlewis6511 Absolutely Lew no regrets but even by the 70s the traditional family was under attack. Like I said tax allowances for married couples with children had been withdrawn in late 60s/early 70s and family allowance amounted to £1 per week for two children.
a small percentage of people with "depression" are actually sick with severe depression aka. melancholia. but a majority of those people are not sick, but a product of the demented times we live in. if they shut off the news, turn-in their phones and return to nature, they will be "miraculously cured" overnight.
@@mikeclifford7740 listen mister, all I am saying is that depression is over diagnosed and approached wrong. im not downplaying people feeling 'down', but the solution does not come from Pfizer. I have seen first hand, someone dealing with the effects of a brain injury; which is in a completely different realm than "oh i feel a little depressed today", but both goes under the same name..
It's difficult to know whether people are more or less depressed nowadays. When I was a child a lot of middle aged men had been "over the top". They had walked into machine gun fire, seen their childhood friends crumple to the ground beside them, and if by some miracle reached an opposing trench unharmed, were expected to bayonet men they had never met and shoot anything that moved until it stopped moving. The surprising thing was that so many of them were jovial individuals who kept down a steady job. If existential malaise and human tragedy are connected, the link is not a clear one.
@Will A You are correct. If one has a strong support network in the form of a community or simply even an established friend group, perhaps closely-knit family too, the amount of things which can be endured without any further stress is significantly increased. Loneliness is an absolute soul destroyer.
@A. Fox No you did miss it, kevin was allowed to speak, and indeed interrupt, with his contributions. Mike's comments are welcome but he over-talks and we end up oftentimes hearing neither properly. This especially a problem with hitchens having such a weak whispery voice. All in all, it's not optimum broadcasting.
I agree with what Peter is saying. But like everything it is horses for courses. I have suffered from low mood all my life until the help of a good doctor , self help a fantastic family structure ( built by me) openness and an acception of my lot. The belief in my fellow man . The modern world is frightening but our needs are simple and when we realise it the contentment will come.
I remember the global cooling predictions in the early 1970s. I was driving a lorry on long distance, that didn't have a heater in the cab - and it felt like global cooling had already arrived! Then 1976 arrived, that shattered the global cooling theory, so they all started making predictions about something else
Same as you Tom, trying to get heat from a Gardner was a waste of time, except during a hot summer eh when you'd roast in the cab, still it made a difference from trying to clear the ice from the inside of the cab windows if you couldn't find digs for the night and ended up trying to sleep across the two planks over the bonnet. They were still better days than now.
"How does it work? We don't know". This is ultimately true of just about everything outside mathematics. We don't know how the placebo effect works either but nobody here seems to have any problem utilising it.
Dear Mr Hitchens, I recall your appearance on Q & I on Australia some years ago. You were asked what is the most dangerous claim in the world. I was hoping you would respond that denying the humanity of any person is the most dangerous claim one can make. Denying the humanity of the unborn has resulted in hundreds of millions of antenatal deaths. Abortion has also doomed many countries, with Japan and Italy at the front of the queue.
i was recently prescribed citilapran afer a 10 min consultation and came off them a week later because of the side effects. it's far too easy for doctors to hand them out without a proper diagnosis. i was highly scepical and after seeing this i'm glad i remained so!
Some years ago I was diagnosed with shingles (herpes zoster, related to chickenpox). With the medication were antidepressants, and when I asked why they had been prescribed as I'd never needed mood altering drugs previously, was told shingles pain was sufficient to require them. They went straight in the bin. Are painful illnesses normally subject to antidepressant medication?
The SSRI that I was prescribed did not help, although they seemed to lower the depression when I did have an episode it was 10 fold worse and the recovery also longer. When I stopped taking them everything improved with coping mechanism's the withdrawl was 6 months of feeling like I was at the bottom of a spinning swimming pool.
Never had anti depressants and nor has anybody in my family. What do we all have in common. Traditional family values, home cooked meals from scratch, regular exercise and normal weight.
They are handed out way to easily to so many people, and yet talking therapies which can really help are super hard to come by, wait 18months and be allowed six sessions. Six sessions is barely enough to explore the surface of an individuals issues!!
Although I always greatly respect Peter Hitchens what he fails to mention is that there were placebo controlled double blind trials showing the efficacy of Prozac dating back to 1989. There were clear benefits in the treatment group. I am not saying they are not over prescribed but I think some people may well benefit from them - however they may work.
I've noticed the press are now saying that anti-depressants work despite the death of the chemical imbalance theory of depression. But how do they work, in that case?
@@elgee6202 yes. The truth is we don’t know The serotonin theory does however now seem to be unlikely. Clearly depression is over diagnosed and unhappiness is part of the human trait. Nevertheless true endogenous depression does respond to medication - and sometimes even ECT. More research needed!
A head full of mis-integrated, conflicting premises were the seat of my decades of depression and anxiety. You have to sort your head out, which is far more difficult than it sounds when you’ve corrupted the very mechanism that is supposed to help you figure the world our accurately. It was only a happenstance of taking a course on logic which provided the ladder to crawl out of that dark hole. Never took drugs and now it appears they don’t help anyway.
It's largely Oliver James who's responsible for this. He wrote a couple of self-help books aimed at influencing the New Labour government at the time, seeking to normalise anti-depressants for the good of society.
I’m not at all sure it was propaganda that made women join the workforce. There was a collapse in the physical, blue collar market plus the value of money had fallen due to inflation. A lot of male breadwinners found themselves without employment and those that still had a job discovered their wages no longer afforded a home.
Carnivore diet, meat only, one meal a day is the thing that has helped me the most. Best thing I've ever done health wise mentally and physically. FWIW.
My suggestion is you can do anything for a month so why not try it?. Nothing but meat one meal a day for a month. I recommend fatty beef steaks, never gets old. I went for a month and felt so good I kept going for 3 months. After 3 months I decided to stay with it. That was 4 years ago. I am 55 and work for myself moving furniture and spa hot tubs by myself with my truck. I go all day and don't feel hungry even when last meal was 24hrs ago. Sleep way way better, brain fog lifted - gone, anxiety dialed back down to normal. Poos way better with full smooth satisfying evacuations, gut ache and discomfort gone. I am as fit now as I was when I was 20-30. I can't tell you how glad I am I stumbled on this, it has fixed me right up in so many areas. I feel young me again. I hope this helps.
I'm currently prescribed low dose anti depressants which were working for me. They don't fix anything you feel better because the extreme emotions sadness,anger etc just have the edges knocked off. It's very easy then to start in that rounded off world where you're not really affected by much. The problem is so many things that are enjoyable and need emotion suffer, listening to music, sex,enjoying the world around you. I suppose you can think of SSRI's like Soma from Brave New World
"ECT ... pretty much the medical equivalent of when televisions used to be on the blink and you thump them." such a believable description of what seems a ridiculous therapy.
Getting off antidepressants is very, very difficult and unpleasant. I don't think people realize just how hard they are to stop. Even tapering slowly, it can take months to get off them and then months after for the side effects of withdrawal to recede.
ECT is incredibly effective for those severely Ill, I’m not sure if Peter would prefer these people,locked up instead of having a treatment that has been proven to work, even if he finds is uncomfortable. Plus it’s hardly used here in the uk and when used it’s for good reason.
I was in a very bad state .I month later I was so much better. OK perhaps a placebo effect but I was pleased I uook them. I think you have needed to have suffered to comment. No withdrawal effect either with Sertraline. Being able to sleep was fantastic. I would take sgain.
It may indeed not be serotonin, but they do something to stabilizer and ease symptoms of depression. I know this from experience. And now, Peter it's not placebo effect I've tried over 4 and only one did something. And I had to go back to that one ... It's not a cure, it's a crutch to help ease symptoms. I think they shouldn't be so widespread, only people with severe depression should be pit on medication when they are completely overwhelmed by their depression. I like Peter, but he's talking about something he doesn't seem to have experience on and it glaringly shows. I didn't want antidepressants until I did as I realised the state in which I was was to something I could go on with. I know about the tapering effects since I take one of the worst ones on that topic.
Peter speaks a lot of sense but I can say from personal experience witnessing the behavioural change of someone who was diagnosed with "manic-depression" / bipolar disorder. It was very noticeable when this person was not taking their medication in regards to their behaviour.
Technically, he never actually said anything against the jab. He said that it was up to people themselves if they wanted it, but it shouldn't be forced upon them. Never the less, when he took it, he admitted that government had taken more freedoms from the populace - and said that we just had to accept that as a new way of living(which whilst I accept you have to be realistic - I think that was giving up too easily). I think he took because he has family overseas.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat He went into detail about why he made the personal decision to take it. Naturally this wasn't enough for the tinfoil hat brigade who quickly condemned him
The problem with Peter Hitchens, is that he is too f**king clever, and he is always, not usually, smarter than the person posing the questions, so everyone else in the internet world sounds wrong, or at least less right.
hang on a second. so SSRIs cause terrible side effects. yet people who are addicted to alcohol or drugs and other addictive substances who experience side effects are weak minded according to Mr Hitchens. I do enjoy a lot of Mr Hitchens output but unfortunately this is a huge contradiction
Not that I think anti depressants are a good idea (I do believe lifestyle is the cornerstone and have felt they are vastly over prescribed), it is not unheard of in medicine that altering a compensatory system can be an effective therapy. I therefore wouldn't immediately assume that because low serotonin has not be shown to be the cause of depression, that SSRIs couldn't be of benefit to people.
When you see an animal in a zoo displaying odd behaviour ..does the animal need therapy and treatment? Or is it the fact they are in a 'zoo'? How's your 'zoo' treating you ?
So Hitchens questions whether Anti-depressants are effective or just placebo then warns of their danger - can't have it both ways. Are they effective or not then Peter ? Hitchens persists with a line of argument, sometimes at considerable length, whose basic foundations are inherently flawed. The basic limitation of his application (abuse?) of 'the critical method' here is that it only accept causes which can be observed and fully understood, rather than observable effects - what about that which can't be observed then or isn't fully understood ? Does it not exist ? Surely the spirit of inquiry involves an acceptance that we don't know it all and is he really suggesting that until something is fully understood, no speculative therapy should be tried ?
Two hot days do not a climate crisis make. But masses of data taken over the last ten years suggests there is one. Meanwhile former tv critic Kevin O’Sullivan searches for more cliches to trot out.
Here's the problem with global warming... Its global, as the whole planet, warming and not necessarily country warming. Its very possible to have local cooling under a warmer planet but all indicators are that the planet is warming overall.
Recently he's laughed more than i can remember for years, if he's been miserable and pessimistic how could anyone blame him, watching the country self destruct under increasingly incompetent self serving politicians would drive a saint to drink.
Stick to the culture war Peter, you really have idea when it comes to drugs. Listening to this specific conversation he really uas no idea, it appears, of even basic principles around the field.
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Peter is absolutely right about single income families. The state is hostile to the traditional family.
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Peter Hitchens is so full of common sense and he is informed. He gets his facts straight
My husband and I both worked part-time when our children were young, as we wanted to give kids the best start. At different times he’d work longer hours than I and at others I worked longer than he did. (We married young and had our children in our 20s, and had no money but each had a good degree - acquired post child 1!)
Interestingly this pattern of work did not negatively impact my career (or not hugely) as I was doing what was nearer the norm than my husband was - his employers initially thought him ‘unserious’ about his career!!!! We both worked until our late 60s!
Interestingly, our pattern is still not common. In my career, I saw ‘childcare’ over the decades. It seems good for near 5 year olds but is still (IMHO) not good for babies under one. We now help raise our grandchildren which is a real privilege.
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TalkTV is a favorite I listen on TH-cam. Very well produced and thought provoking. Always enjoy the commentators with their British wit and humour !
Mr. Hitchens , really enjoy your perspective on British and international affairs.
God Bless !
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Peter Hitchens as usual speaking a lot of sense
Not such a lone voice of sense any more, thank goodness, GB News presenters coming up rapidly on the outside.
Problem is everything is depression now. Not just growing up or life. The only real way out of depression is hitting rock bottom and finding some fight in you somewhere to change.
Do you suffer from depression yourself?
Wise words
@@mikeclifford7740 I did a few years back due mainly to a period of unemployment. Got so low I used to cry at night and hope I didn’t wake up in the morning.
@@fujohnson8667 so you know it’s surely a force to be reckoned with, but you are right, no pills are going to cure you at that, just our own willpower… I’m currently clawing my way out of that hole
@@fujohnson8667 that's being unhappy because you couldn't see a way forward. Depression isn't being unhappy, a person with depression can be depressed even when they should due to circumstances be content. Also leaving someone with depression to sink as low as they can to find rock bottom, and then they will hopefully find a new way, is not wise at all,. For an alcoholic, or a drug addict I would agree, but not with a depressed person. It's a bit like saying that the best way to deal with an anerexic is to leave them to starve and when they are hungry enough then they will start eating again normally. That's not going to work, coz anerexia is a mental illness, as is depression.
Is the UK’s ‘obsession’ with anti-depressants unhealthy?
Nice to watch a Hitchens’ half hour on my birthday. 26/07/22
@A. Fox 17th ha
Peter H always interesting
Thanks Kev👍💞
In the 1970s I was very grateful to my (now deceased) husband who supported my wish to stay home with the children until they started school. Then I did temporary work so could take off school holidays. Although he was a professional it was very hard financially and took a long time to recover. Tax allowances for married couples ceased at the end of the 1960s and also no tax allowances for children. It was almost as if certain sections of society were out to undermine the "normal" family.
What your late decent husband and yourself did was quite normal Mary, and i bet neither you nor he had any regrets, i well recall working up to 100 hours a week spread between several jobs in order to provide for our children in those days.
We'd do it again too, it's not a choice it's something of a duty for men brought up in a certain way having been lucky enough to have honourable fathers to learn from and wish to emulate, funny thing is even though he's now been passed more than 30 years i still have to do right by my Dad to honour him.
Our country is not better for the passing of decent men and decent women.
@@lewlewis6511 Absolutely Lew no regrets but even by the 70s the traditional family was under attack. Like I said tax allowances for married couples with children had been withdrawn in late 60s/early 70s and family allowance amounted to £1 per week for two children.
Hitchen's half hour - The only thing worth watching on TalkTV
Agreed, though I do also tune in to plank of the week occasionally, usually if I want to hear Kier or Rishi take a big bashing which is always nice.
a small percentage of people with "depression" are actually sick with severe depression aka. melancholia. but a majority of those people are not sick, but a product of the demented times we live in. if they shut off the news, turn-in their phones and return to nature, they will be "miraculously cured" overnight.
What utter nonsense.
@@robcord5982 hello Rob.
Do you suffer from depression?
Spot on
@@mikeclifford7740 listen mister, all I am saying is that depression is over diagnosed and approached wrong. im not downplaying people feeling 'down', but the solution does not come from Pfizer. I have seen first hand, someone dealing with the effects of a brain injury; which is in a completely different realm than "oh i feel a little depressed today", but both goes under the same name..
Peter Hitchens for Prime Minister.
He'd never get past selection for any branch of the uniparty, and we're all worse for it.
It's difficult to know whether people are more or less depressed nowadays. When I was a child a lot of middle aged men had been "over the top". They had walked into machine gun fire, seen their childhood friends crumple to the ground beside them, and if by some miracle reached an opposing trench unharmed, were expected to bayonet men they had never met and shoot anything that moved until it stopped moving. The surprising thing was that so many of them were jovial individuals who kept down a steady job. If existential malaise and human tragedy are connected, the link is not a clear one.
@Will A You are correct. If one has a strong support network in the form of a community or simply even an established friend group, perhaps closely-knit family too, the amount of things which can be endured without any further stress is significantly increased. Loneliness is an absolute soul destroyer.
This was excellent presenting; very measured 2-way dialogue with far less interrupting than mike does. Thanks Kevin.
@A. Fox No you did miss it, kevin was allowed to speak, and indeed interrupt, with his contributions. Mike's comments are welcome but he over-talks and we end up oftentimes hearing neither properly. This especially a problem with hitchens having such a weak whispery voice. All in all, it's not optimum broadcasting.
He is one of the most interesting people to hear speak about britian.
I agree with what Peter is saying. But like everything it is horses for courses. I have suffered from low mood all my life until the help of a good doctor , self help a fantastic family structure ( built by me) openness and an acception of my lot. The belief in my fellow man . The modern world is frightening but our needs are simple and when we realise it the contentment will come.
Problem with these drugs is they are very profitable for big pharma
Peter Hitchens should be prime minister
I remember the global cooling predictions in the early 1970s.
I was driving a lorry on long distance, that didn't have a heater in the cab - and it felt like global cooling had already arrived!
Then 1976 arrived, that shattered the global cooling theory, so they all started making predictions about something else
What are you saying this for. ?
Same as you Tom, trying to get heat from a Gardner was a waste of time, except during a hot summer eh when you'd roast in the cab, still it made a difference from trying to clear the ice from the inside of the cab windows if you couldn't find digs for the night and ended up trying to sleep across the two planks over the bonnet.
They were still better days than now.
"How does it work? We don't know". This is ultimately true of just about everything outside mathematics. We don't know how the placebo effect works either but nobody here seems to have any problem utilising it.
Ten weeks of Hot Weather in 1976, we enjoyed it, problem is the snowflakes melt easy these days.
Dear Mr Hitchens, I recall your appearance on Q & I on Australia some years ago. You were asked what is the most dangerous claim in the world. I was hoping you would respond that denying the humanity of any person is the most dangerous claim one can make. Denying the humanity of the unborn has resulted in hundreds of millions of antenatal deaths. Abortion has also doomed many countries, with Japan and Italy at the front of the queue.
i was recently prescribed citilapran afer a 10 min consultation and came off them a week later because of the side effects. it's far too easy for doctors to hand them out without a proper diagnosis.
i was highly scepical and after seeing this i'm glad i remained so!
Why did you go to the Dr ?
@@mikeclifford7740 my own personal reasons.
Some years ago I was diagnosed with shingles (herpes zoster, related to chickenpox). With the medication were antidepressants, and when I asked why they had been prescribed as I'd never needed mood altering drugs previously, was told shingles pain was sufficient to require them. They went straight in the bin. Are painful illnesses normally subject to antidepressant medication?
@@borderlands6606 I wouldn't have thought so but a lot of medication have multiple uses so there's that to consider.
The SSRI that I was prescribed did not help, although they seemed to lower the depression when I did have an episode it was 10 fold worse and the recovery also longer.
When I stopped taking them everything improved with coping mechanism's the withdrawl was 6 months of feeling like I was at the bottom of a spinning swimming pool.
The pharmaceutical industry is BIG buisness.
My daughter works 21 hrs a week in a horrid job for peanuts and me and wife have to pick up the grandchikd care pieces. Diabolical.
Where is your daughter’s husband?
Working to be able to then be drinking in the pub.
Should have kept her legs shut.
@@steadfastandyx4947 Lol
@@jimbob8385 100% right.
Thumping the telly is a valid cure because most faults are from loose conections so thumping makes the connection good again
Never had anti depressants and nor has anybody in my family. What do we all have in common. Traditional family values, home cooked meals from scratch, regular exercise and normal weight.
They are handed out way to easily to so many people, and yet talking therapies which can really help are super hard to come by, wait 18months and be allowed six sessions. Six sessions is barely enough to explore the surface of an individuals issues!!
Especially when they aren't really listening.
Although I always greatly respect Peter Hitchens what he fails to mention is that there were placebo controlled double blind trials showing the efficacy of Prozac dating back to 1989. There were clear benefits in the treatment group. I am not saying they are not over prescribed but I think some people may well benefit from them - however they may work.
I've noticed the press are now saying that anti-depressants work despite the death of the chemical imbalance theory of depression. But how do they work, in that case?
@@elgee6202 yes. The truth is we don’t know The serotonin theory does however now seem to be unlikely. Clearly depression is over diagnosed and unhappiness is part of the human trait. Nevertheless true endogenous depression does respond to medication - and sometimes even ECT. More research needed!
A head full of mis-integrated, conflicting premises were the seat of my decades of depression and anxiety. You have to sort your head out, which is far more difficult than it sounds when you’ve corrupted the very mechanism that is supposed to help you figure the world our accurately. It was only a happenstance of taking a course on logic which provided the ladder to crawl out of that dark hole. Never took drugs and now it appears they don’t help anyway.
It's largely Oliver James who's responsible for this. He wrote a couple of self-help books aimed at influencing the New Labour government at the time, seeking to normalise anti-depressants for the good of society.
8p for the Radio Times, in 1974. I wonder how much it is now?
I’m not at all sure it was propaganda that made women join the workforce. There was a collapse in the physical, blue collar market plus the value of money had fallen due to inflation. A lot of male breadwinners found themselves without employment and those that still had a job discovered their wages no longer afforded a home.
It's great that prozac works for some, but not all anti-depressants have the same effect on all patients.
Carnivore diet, meat only, one meal a day is the thing that has helped me the most. Best thing I've ever done health wise mentally and physically. FWIW.
That's really interesting. I wish you had said a little more about how it helped you.
My suggestion is you can do anything for a month so why not try it?. Nothing but meat one meal a day for a month. I recommend fatty beef steaks, never gets old. I went for a month and felt so good I kept going for 3 months. After 3 months I decided to stay with it. That was 4 years ago.
I am 55 and work for myself moving furniture and spa hot tubs by myself with my truck. I go all day and don't feel hungry even when last meal was 24hrs ago. Sleep way way better, brain fog lifted - gone, anxiety dialed back down to normal. Poos way better with full smooth satisfying evacuations, gut ache and discomfort gone. I am as fit now as I was when I was 20-30.
I can't tell you how glad I am I stumbled on this, it has fixed me right up in so many areas. I feel young me again. I hope this helps.
I'm currently prescribed low dose anti depressants which were working for me. They don't fix anything you feel better because the extreme emotions sadness,anger etc just have the edges knocked off. It's very easy then to start in that rounded off world where you're not really affected by much. The problem is so many things that are enjoyable and need emotion suffer, listening to music, sex,enjoying the world around you. I suppose you can think of SSRI's like Soma from Brave New World
Kevin O'sullivan - "Errrrr, hmmmm, errrrrr..............."
"ECT ... pretty much the medical equivalent of when televisions used to be on the blink and you thump them." such a believable description of what seems a ridiculous therapy.
Yet it works, would you rather they stay in a locked ward
@@zoro5035 still seems ridiculous.
@@zoro5035 electricity finds the path of least resistance. You have just turned on a lightbulb.
Getting off antidepressants is very, very difficult and unpleasant. I don't think people realize just how hard they are to stop. Even tapering slowly, it can take months to get off them and then months after for the side effects of withdrawal to recede.
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Energy solution, frack, there is energy below our feet.
ECT is incredibly effective for those severely Ill, I’m not sure if Peter would prefer these people,locked up instead of having a treatment that has been proven to work, even if he finds is uncomfortable. Plus it’s hardly used here in the uk and when used it’s for good reason.
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I was in a very bad state .I month later I was so much better.
OK perhaps a placebo effect but I was pleased I uook them.
I think you have needed to have suffered to comment. No withdrawal effect either with Sertraline.
Being able to sleep was fantastic.
I would take sgain.
It may indeed not be serotonin, but they do something to stabilizer and ease symptoms of depression. I know this from experience. And now, Peter it's not placebo effect I've tried over 4 and only one did something. And I had to go back to that one ... It's not a cure, it's a crutch to help ease symptoms. I think they shouldn't be so widespread, only people with severe depression should be pit on medication when they are completely overwhelmed by their depression. I like Peter, but he's talking about something he doesn't seem to have experience on and it glaringly shows.
I didn't want antidepressants until I did as I realised the state in which I was was to something I could go on with. I know about the tapering effects since I take one of the worst ones on that topic.
My depressinons came from worry and stress eg I lost all my money ,i had a bad boss etc.Without that I would not e depressed
Peter speaks a lot of sense but I can say from personal experience witnessing the behavioural change of someone who was diagnosed with "manic-depression" / bipolar disorder. It was very noticeable when this person was not taking their medication in regards to their behaviour.
I take what Hitchens just said with a pinch of salt. He who was against the jab but still took it due to Government pressure and wanting to travel.
You are brain dead. His argument was against the state enforcing the vaccine.
In what sense was he "against the jab"?
Technically, he never actually said anything against the jab. He said that it was up to people themselves if they wanted it, but it shouldn't be forced upon them. Never the less, when he took it, he admitted that government had taken more freedoms from the populace - and said that we just had to accept that as a new way of living(which whilst I accept you have to be realistic - I think that was giving up too easily). I think he took because he has family overseas.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat He went into detail about why he made the personal decision to take it. Naturally this wasn't enough for the tinfoil hat brigade who quickly condemned him
The problem with Peter Hitchens, is that he is too f**king clever, and he is always, not usually, smarter than the person posing the questions, so everyone else in the internet world sounds wrong, or at least less right.
Same with his late brother, Christopher.
That’s what a good education used to get you.
I wish I had that problem.
Hitchens's.😁
Fun Fact: Placebo effect works even when a patient is told they are being given a Placebo.
The human mind is a strange thing.
It looks like Hitchens has a blue lightsabre behind his right shoulder.
hang on a second. so SSRIs cause terrible side effects. yet people who are addicted to alcohol or drugs and other addictive substances who experience side effects are weak minded according to Mr Hitchens. I do enjoy a lot of Mr Hitchens output but unfortunately this is a huge contradiction
It's effictive for me. I don't produce serotonin naturally. It's worked for me.
Not that I think anti depressants are a good idea (I do believe lifestyle is the cornerstone and have felt they are vastly over prescribed), it is not unheard of in medicine that altering a compensatory system can be an effective therapy. I therefore wouldn't immediately assume that because low serotonin has not be shown to be the cause of depression, that SSRIs couldn't be of benefit to people.
So Hitchens questions whether Anti-depressants are effective then warns of their danger - are they effective or not then Peter ?
Why is Hitchens half hour never half an hour?
rule 1 of capitalism, if you want to sell something, first you have to convince the buyer that they need it
except traditional paid for child care is not accessible to most parents..
Anti depressants make weed more powerful Peter would hate that lol
When you see an animal in a zoo displaying odd behaviour ..does the animal need therapy and treatment? Or is it the fact they are in a 'zoo'? How's your 'zoo' treating you ?
So Hitchens questions whether Anti-depressants are effective or just placebo then warns of their danger - can't have it both ways. Are they effective or not then Peter ? Hitchens persists with a line of argument, sometimes at considerable length, whose basic foundations are inherently flawed. The basic limitation of his application (abuse?) of 'the critical method' here is that it only accept causes which can be observed and fully understood, rather than observable effects - what about that which can't be observed then or isn't fully understood ? Does it not exist ? Surely the spirit of inquiry involves an acceptance that we don't know it all and is he really suggesting that until something is fully understood, no speculative therapy should be tried ?
Two hot days do not a climate crisis make. But masses of data taken over the last ten years suggests there is one. Meanwhile former tv critic Kevin O’Sullivan searches for more cliches to trot out.
Two hot days and a bunch of manipulated data and models ('Climategate', 'the Hockey stick') do not a climate crisis make.
I was hoping for Peter Hitchins to advocate micro-dosing LSD.
Here's the problem with global warming... Its global, as the whole planet, warming and not necessarily country warming. Its very possible to have local cooling under a warmer planet but all indicators are that the planet is warming overall.
Great to see the often curmudgeonly Peter Hitchens laughing away with abandon.
Peter seems to desperately need an antidepressant
Why listen then 🤷♂️
Recently he's laughed more than i can remember for years, if he's been miserable and pessimistic how could anyone blame him, watching the country self destruct under increasingly incompetent self serving politicians would drive a saint to drink.
Isn't electro therapy legallised by mechanical (electrical) methods a slap across the face. Horrible
How depressing. Could not be more depressing if you tried. Retirement?
Listening to Peter Hitchens I think I need anti depressants or a smoke?
Why listen then if it’s damaging your help 🤷♂️
Stick to the culture war Peter, you really have idea when it comes to drugs. Listening to this specific conversation he really uas no idea, it appears, of even basic principles around the field.
DONT LIKE HITCHEN BUT HE DID RIP FARAGE APART OVER BREXIT
I saw Hitchens and thought yay, another Christopher video, sadly not
Hitchens has an opinion on everything but a qualification in nothing.
I agree. He sometimes says interesting things, but he very rarely if ever comes across as well informed.
But he is(according to him) : "officially writing Britain's obituary." Mr. Professional Eeyore.