@@shepardpolska it doesn't matter apcr is still horrible at angles despite what material it is, apcbc is better than apcr because it uses the cap on the shell to counter sharp angles which then increases the chance of a penetration
@@swisscheese9997 it does matter as the simulation is still innacurate despite the rresoults All caps on APC shells do is reduce the chance of shattering, for a good angled performence you want a flat nose.
When i saw this, all i could think about was the terror those poor russian tankers must have felt. Tragedy. ...until the other 30,000 Russian T34s showed up to the party...
@@marcalvarez4890 83.000 soviet tanks were destroyed in the war, germans had the number of 23K of tanks at all fronts, Even 30K soviet tanks can be stopped.
Despite a heavy tungsten core ... with over 1000 m/S ??? 🤨 I'm not convinced about the accuracy of that simulation! Perhaps a digit error of the density attributes?
From wider point of wiew they should stick with pzIV and modify its frontal armor to sloaped version. That way, they could have had gladly 8000 more pzIVs then 4000 Panthers. They tried it, but never finished the prototype.
@@ondracekivo Honestly the Panzer V would’ve still been far superior seeing they were able to put a longer 75mm gun on that platform. On the Panzer IV they were clearly restricted by the flat frontal armor, the relatively small turret and by not having any tactical advantage over an M4A3 Sherman or worse, the T-34-85 by 1944. Getting the Panther design far more simplified, upgraded with a 88mm gun with a turret suitable for the test with an improved armor layout would’ve been key.
@@ondracekivo 1000 pzIV and 1000 Tiger will all need 5000 crews to "run" them(5 crews each tank) And the crew training are what German really lacking during and toward the end of the war. Man power problem.
Actually panzer 5 project started way before actual panther reached battlefield. Pz V of that time was more like upgraded version of Pz IV but at the time of operation barbarossa only chassis was ready. However, during USSR invasion they encountered T-34,which was surprisingly effective against all german tanks of that time. Special comission was formed to study technology and engineering that was used in T-34 development. After that project of Pz V was drastically changed to 35 ton (correct me if I'm wrong) design with slopped armor and already existing chassis. That was the birth of actual pz V panther and that's why it came after the tiger
You keep getting materials wrong on these shots. The carrier body should be steel bar stock, the core should be tungsten Carbide with a nickel binder, and I'll have to look at the metallurgy docs again, the cap is indeed cast aluminum alloy. Core weight is 1.38lb (625.9g) Rockwell A hardness is 88, Steel bar Stock hardness is around 156bhn, and around 55bhn for the aluminum alloy which means it's a rather low tensile and yield strength alloy.
I am not surprsied that APCR performs poorly against slopped armour. Try regular AP. Also you could refere distance to velocity - it would be good to know what distance it is (approximately).
Where do you get information and specs about these projectiles by the way? It's very weird that the shell has a solid aluminum ballistic cap because it seems to really mess with it's angled performance.
This was the early days of the gun armor race. Many new ideas were being tried. Remember, these were desperate days and these were new ideas and even relatively new metals in many cases. There was no auto- cad back in 1944.
@@utzius8003 I looked at it, and it deformed much different than the Aluminium. The Aluminium didnt penetrate the hull at all. The core penetrated the Aluminium lower body, hit the plate, and got deflected mostly. The upper Alumium body didnt penetrated the core at all. -> The core is much harder than the body.
85mm UBR 365P APCR is unable to penetrate the armor plate. Might ballistic Al alloy material of BR-365 APCR Body is not hard enough to penetrate the 80 mm armor plate. What do you think ?
Unless the soviets used extremely soft tungsten alloy for the shot it seems like the penetrator lost integrity too easily. It didnt even look like the behavior of the wolfram was very different to the aluminum.
Core from simulation deforms during penetration. APCR used rigid cores, made of tungsten carbide. Tungsten carbide does not erode like tungsten alloy, it could break, it could turn into a powder, but it would not deform in such way you showed. There must be some flaw in your data feed.
FYI, the main body of UBR-365P is Steel not Aluminium, the ballistic nose cap is Aluminium. Eitherway, I doubt it’ll make a noticeable difference to the outcome.
It might be because of the slope, or maybe the sim is just using the wrong inputs, but the round should penetrate well over 100mm of armour at most ranges. up to 170 at close range. That's probably not enough to punch through the Panther glacis, but it should lead to more damage than show here.
@@marcelfischer1081 uh... no it's really not, it was designed to go through angles and thick armour, that shell has more than enough pen to go through the panther at the front, one of the tanks it was made to defeat
@@osmacar5331 Because the APCR still has its soft metal layer around the core, it has a poor kinetic energy to drag ratio, so it loses penetration quickly. And when it hits an angled armor plate, the soft layers hit the armor first and flatten the tip. This creates the opposite effect as a caped shell does, worsening the angle of penetration and increasing the bounce chance. On top of that, the low total mass combined with still large impact area (form the soft layers) makes it easier to deflect.
I have read acounts of Panthers taking frontal hits from all kinds of crazy big stuff. In one report after 11 hits from 122mm's the crew pulled out of the line and drove back to the depot. The tank could only drive in reverse and only had 1st and 2 nd R. The turret was jammed, the welds on the hull were separating and a direct hit to the mantlet had pushed the gun site into the Gunners eye severely wounding him. Tough fucking tank.
I would not give too much weight on such accounts. It does sound impressive, and maybe some parts of it could have even happened, but then again, there are plenty of incredible war stories going around these days and some of them even reach official records, but way too many of them are somewhat detached from real events and after some scrutiny is applied to the mix they, more often than not, crumble to dust. War is war and exaggerated stories have always spawned from such times. They are good stories, but to tell them as factual truths after so much time has passed is a bit silly.
@@maastomunkki In point of fact the story I mentioned is/was compiled from after action reports and commendation recommendations. I read rather a lot. It always disgusts me a little when some arm chair expert criticizes actual fighting men that are no longer here to counter such persons. Truth is stranger than fiction.
@@owensthilaire8189 Fair enough. But since my view of things disgusts you there is very little point in continuing this discussion. Have a nice evening and my apologies for the discomfort I may have caused.
At the risk of also "disgusting" you, that account was BS. German late armour was crap quality. Also, the ZF AK 7-200 transmission on PzKpfw V only had 1 reverse gear. Transmission was so bad the a few 122mm's hits couldnt make it worse. Wehraboo alert
@@antoniogomes4975 Meh. Believe what you like. Though I have since rechecked my sources and it was a jagdpanther not a panther. In any case believe what you like.
We definitely know the exact armor-piercing capabilities of BR-365 rounds family in both real combat environment and in post-war testings. BR-365P is capable of penetration 80 mm 60 degree slopped armor at 1000 meters. If a simulation do not support that then the model is wrong in some way
@@destroyerarmor2846 Because the quality of armor due to the shortage of alloying additives from Norway was depressing, especially at the end of the war.
@@the_burger That is a myth for the most part, but that also depends on the alloy used in the penetrator, its velocity, angle of impact, hardness and thickness of plate, etc.
Late war German rolled composite armor was not very good, as they had run out of proper alloying elements and the heat treating system actually used resulted in very brittle plates with compromised tensile toughness.. In addition, the welds on these tanks, between plates, tended to be brittle also. This round had a very good chance of shattering the plate at point of impact and, at a minimum, cracking the welds around the MG bulge and those of the front plate to the side plates.
That has more possibilities, its made to defeat sloped armor, but still it will be difficult to pen, too little mass in the 85, a 122mm BR-471B would instead go trough like butter
Даже если эти расчеты верны , в чем я очень сильно сомневаюсь , тогда немецким танкистам должно быть стыдно вдвойне , с таким преимуществом в броне и орудии, все равно не устоять перед натиском советских танкистов.....
why any tank gunner would shoot an APCR round at the most angled plate of a tank is besides me... but pretty cool how you modeled in the tungsten core and the aluminium body but the core simply splattered like a lead musket ball. not very realistic. the panthers front upper plate doesnt stand a chance against the 122mm cannon in the IS series of tanks. Wonder why the Soviets didnt make APCR for the 122? Surely the penetrative force would've been immense.
Well if simulations would be the most accurate way to know everything, then no one would actually bother with test firing guns and rounds anymore. I am not saying the simulation is wrong. But it's just that. A simulation.
I wonder how the Soviets won against German tanks when they mostly used T-34s with 57, 75 and 85 mm canons against German medium Panther and heavy tanks like Tiger Is. Must have been a massive tank tidal wave that hit Germany.
SU85, SU100, IS2, massive fucking artillery barrages and a good doze of RUSSIAN AUDACITY You cant stop Soviet 1944 offensive, its unstoppable. Quantity of t34s also allows for a nice tactical advatage, as EACH of them is perfectly capable unit, that can flank any tanks and annihilate infantry, if any difficult problem appears, there are tank destroyers like su100, 152, 122. Tons of different kinds of artillery that wont care be their target an infantry unit or a king tiger platoon. edit. : i dont remember any credible source mentioning panther invincibility for the 85mm zis s53 cannon, its a great cannon with lots of ammo and at distances they were fighting in the East(1km and less) t34 85 were able to pen the frontal plate of pz5.
Germany made 6000 panthers, 1200+ Tiger 1, 400+ Tiger II and other thousands of Panzer IV and Stugs in the entire war. They stand no chance against the superior number of Soviet tanks. In 1944 alone, Soviet Union produced 10,000 T-34-85
but the tough reality destroy such kind of experiment - to the time UBR-365P appeared nazi lost their main manganese mines. This fact force them to change armor steel properties and it became merely fragile - for instance, there are a lot of photos with a cracked hole in frontal armour plates of Pz. V made by 122 mm shells, which also cannot penetrate it, in theory. So there is no absolut gurantee for preventing penetration of this rounds, as it is shown for theretical КРФ material's characteristics.
@@V-V1875-h i didn't heard about this fact. our veterans wrote about a secondary projectiles in case of hitting by a serious rounds without penetrstion. that was a problem of T34, actually.
@@Nikodim_Gorobets the reason why you dont hear it from veterans is because the tank crew had a very low survival chance after being hit, the armor was hardened to 600 brenel, so twice as hard but a high velocity projectile would spall and shatter the entire plate killing all crew
Actually, the 122 mm A-19 or D-25 routinely penetrated the Panther's hull, according to battlefield reports, well past 2000 meters. Of course, overmatching is also a consideration with this impact.
Can people stop using APCR for angled targets because they're pretty shit at it. An 85mm armor piercing, high explosive, capped, ballistic capped shells would penetrate that thing better, maybe two shots on the same spot would be able to pen that.
This channel is not at all factual, this is likely incorrect because if you view the 75 mm APCBR against an M2 Sherman and the shell just voices off then too.
I've seen pictures a Tiger II frontally penetrated by a subcaliber shell in a theater where the soviets only had access to 76.2mm cannons, so I doubt the 85mm shell would have any trouble at all passing through the frontal plate of a Panther.
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Crazy how ineffective that projectile is, I honestly didn't expect that.
apcr is bad for angles
Its apcr its the same as just using solid shot with no cap
It uses wrong core material in the simulation
@@shepardpolska it doesn't matter apcr is still horrible at angles despite what material it is, apcbc is better than apcr because it uses the cap on the shell to counter sharp angles which then increases the chance of a penetration
@@swisscheese9997 it does matter as the simulation is still innacurate despite the rresoults
All caps on APC shells do is reduce the chance of shattering, for a good angled performence you want a flat nose.
“We barely even scratched them”
Yes, It not able to penetrate the frontal armor plate.
Tell that to someone who denys angled Armor supremacy.
When i saw this, all i could think about was the terror those poor russian tankers must have felt.
Tragedy.
...until the other 30,000 Russian T34s showed up to the party...
@@marcalvarez4890 83.000 soviet tanks were destroyed in the war, germans had the number of 23K of tanks at all fronts, Even 30K soviet tanks can be stopped.
"We didn't penetrate their armor"
The German crew wouldn't even bother reporting that to their insurance company.
Despite a heavy tungsten core ... with over 1000 m/S ??? 🤨
I'm not convinced about the accuracy of that simulation! Perhaps a digit error of the density attributes?
The idea is to have a very fast very dense core, in exchange for lower weight. It follows a similar principle to sabot rounds, it's accurate.
IKR the tungsten acte dlike it was made of silly putty.
@@caatabatic I think whoever made the simulation accidentally applied the same attributes they used for the aluminum tip to the tungsten core
@@thewakeup5459 I can see that happening. I need this soft ware to verify it myself.
:P
Panther g va t34/85
Can you imagine had the Germans make the Panther right after Panzer 4 (I mean, it's called Panzer 5)?
From wider point of wiew they should stick with pzIV and modify its frontal armor to sloaped version. That way, they could have had gladly 8000 more pzIVs then 4000 Panthers. They tried it, but never finished the prototype.
@@ondracekivo Ausf. K wasn't it? Was the schmalturm also cosidered to be as its turret?
@@ondracekivo
Honestly the Panzer V would’ve still been far superior seeing they were able to put a longer 75mm gun on that platform. On the Panzer IV they were clearly restricted by the flat frontal armor, the relatively small turret and by not having any tactical advantage over an M4A3 Sherman or worse, the T-34-85 by 1944.
Getting the Panther design far more simplified, upgraded with a 88mm gun with a turret suitable for the test with an improved armor layout would’ve been key.
@@ondracekivo 1000 pzIV and 1000 Tiger will all need 5000 crews to "run" them(5 crews each tank)
And the crew training are what German really lacking during and toward the end of the war. Man power problem.
Actually panzer 5 project started way before actual panther reached battlefield. Pz V of that time was more like upgraded version of Pz IV but at the time of operation barbarossa only chassis was ready. However, during USSR invasion they encountered T-34,which was surprisingly effective against all german tanks of that time. Special comission was formed to study technology and engineering that was used in T-34 development. After that project of Pz V was drastically changed to 35 ton (correct me if I'm wrong) design with slopped armor and already existing chassis. That was the birth of actual pz V panther and that's why it came after the tiger
You keep getting materials wrong on these shots. The carrier body should be steel bar stock, the core should be tungsten Carbide with a nickel binder, and I'll have to look at the metallurgy docs again, the cap is indeed cast aluminum alloy.
Core weight is 1.38lb (625.9g) Rockwell A hardness is 88, Steel bar Stock hardness is around 156bhn, and around 55bhn for the aluminum alloy which means it's a rather low tensile and yield strength alloy.
Thank you for the information. We will update this simulation. But still, I think it will not penetrate.
@@extremeengineeringsimulati5627 but it perhaps won’t look like 12,7 mm penetration 😂
I am not surprsied that APCR performs poorly against slopped armour. Try regular AP.
Also you could refere distance to velocity - it would be good to know what distance it is (approximately).
Where do you get information and specs about these projectiles by the way? It's very weird that the shell has a solid aluminum ballistic cap because it seems to really mess with it's angled performance.
Apcr sucks against angled armor
It has higher penetration but work on flat surfaces or with a slight slope, this slope is way to much for this kind of round
APCR is essentially APDS without separating the sabot, since it's really hard to design a sabot that will separate without hindering the accuracy
This was the early days of the gun armor race.
Many new ideas were being tried.
Remember, these were desperate days and these were new ideas and even relatively new metals in many cases.
There was no auto- cad back in 1944.
*W A R T H U N D E R*
Seeing how easily the penetrator deforms without penetrating more makes me think the heat treatment was too soft.
It is just me or did it look like the outer shell is as hard or harder than the core
I don't remember tungsten carbide being that soft.
it's not soft, but at high speed being brittle is just as equal as soft. Add an angle and it basically uses it's ductility to make it thin.
@@Zigmmaaaaarrssss Look at it, it deformed no different than the Aluminium.
@@utzius8003 I looked at it, and it deformed much different than the Aluminium. The Aluminium didnt penetrate the hull at all. The core penetrated the Aluminium lower body, hit the plate, and got deflected mostly. The upper Alumium body didnt penetrated the core at all. -> The core is much harder than the body.
85mm UBR 365P APCR is unable to penetrate the armor plate. Might ballistic Al alloy material of BR-365 APCR Body is not hard enough to penetrate the 80 mm armor plate. What do you think ?
Unless the soviets used extremely soft tungsten alloy for the shot it seems like the penetrator lost integrity too easily. It didnt even look like the behavior of the wolfram was very different to the aluminum.
Core from simulation deforms during penetration. APCR used rigid cores, made of tungsten carbide. Tungsten carbide does not erode like tungsten alloy, it could break, it could turn into a powder, but it would not deform in such way you showed. There must be some flaw in your data feed.
There's just something awfully wrong with this simulation
FYI, the main body of UBR-365P is Steel not Aluminium, the ballistic nose cap is Aluminium. Eitherway, I doubt it’ll make a noticeable difference to the outcome.
I think an American short-barreled 75mm M3 can pierce tiger2's front armor lol lousy Soviets
do you have idea how much armor penerated this round? in the simulation looked like 20-30mm max
Because of APCR is pretty weak against angled Armor
It might be because of the slope, or maybe the sim is just using the wrong inputs, but the round should penetrate well over 100mm of armour at most ranges. up to 170 at close range. That's probably not enough to punch through the Panther glacis, but it should lead to more damage than show here.
@@marcelfischer1081 uh... no it's really not, it was designed to go through angles and thick armour, that shell has more than enough pen to go through the panther at the front, one of the tanks it was made to defeat
@@osmacar5331 Because the APCR still has its soft metal layer around the core, it has a poor kinetic energy to drag ratio, so it loses penetration quickly. And when it hits an angled armor plate, the soft layers hit the armor first and flatten the tip. This creates the opposite effect as a caped shell does, worsening the angle of penetration and increasing the bounce chance. On top of that, the low total mass combined with still large impact area (form the soft layers) makes it easier to deflect.
u must be know that APCR is very easy to get defeat by angle armor ?
THIS IS THE REAL ARMOR PENETRATION SIMULATOR!!! GOOD VIDEO !!
I have read acounts of Panthers taking frontal hits from all kinds of crazy big stuff.
In one report after 11 hits from 122mm's the crew pulled out of the line and drove back to the depot.
The tank could only drive in reverse and only had 1st and 2 nd R.
The turret was jammed, the welds on the hull were separating and a direct hit to the mantlet had pushed the gun site into the Gunners eye severely wounding him.
Tough fucking tank.
I would not give too much weight on such accounts. It does sound impressive, and maybe some parts of it could have even happened, but then again, there are plenty of incredible war stories going around these days and some of them even reach official records, but way too many of them are somewhat detached from real events and after some scrutiny is applied to the mix they, more often than not, crumble to dust. War is war and exaggerated stories have always spawned from such times. They are good stories, but to tell them as factual truths after so much time has passed is a bit silly.
@@maastomunkki In point of fact the story I mentioned is/was compiled from after action reports and commendation recommendations.
I read rather a lot.
It always disgusts me a little when some arm chair expert criticizes actual fighting men that are no longer here to counter such persons.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
@@owensthilaire8189 Fair enough. But since my view of things disgusts you there is very little point in continuing this discussion. Have a nice evening and my apologies for the discomfort I may have caused.
At the risk of also "disgusting" you, that account was BS. German late armour was crap quality. Also, the ZF AK 7-200 transmission on PzKpfw V only had 1 reverse gear. Transmission was so bad the a few 122mm's hits couldnt make it worse. Wehraboo alert
@@antoniogomes4975 Meh.
Believe what you like.
Though I have since rechecked my sources and it was a jagdpanther not a panther.
In any case believe what you like.
Velocity of the round is listed as 1050 meters per second squared. That's some smokin' acceleration.
This simulation really doesn't look right.
Daaamn, that plate didnt even cared shit
looks like it is not tungsten core
Calling late war German armor plate RHA is very optimistic.
RHA, more like Random Hardness Aluminium.
Would still prefer to sit in one of these than any soviet made ww2 tank
We definitely know the exact armor-piercing capabilities of BR-365 rounds family in both real combat environment and in post-war testings. BR-365P is capable of penetration 80 mm 60 degree slopped armor at 1000 meters. If a simulation do not support that then the model is wrong in some way
Ни в одном воспоминании танкистов, что воевали на Т-34-85 не было упоминаний о проблемах с пробитием PzV Panter с реальных дистанций боя.
Doubt if
@@destroyerarmor2846 Because the quality of armor due to the shortage of alloying additives from Norway was depressing, especially at the end of the war.
Ты посмотри как их 90 мм шьёт Пантеру- как бумажную!
Don't use APCR for angled armor
Так понимаю снаряд был весь алюминивый
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No way it's that bad...
Yes, It not able to penetrate the frontal armor plate.
Well, apcr is terrible at againsting sloped armour.
@@Mig_G_hoser Pretty sure thats a myth
@@the_burger That is a myth for the most part, but that also depends on the alloy used in the penetrator, its velocity, angle of impact, hardness and thickness of plate, etc.
@@extremeengineeringsimulati5627 your simulation is bad, it seems like the tungsten core is just as soft as the rest of the shell.
"Tis but a scratch! *_Literally._* "
It needed to be capped, ballistic capped to stop deflection by sloped armour. I wonder how it would go against the tiny Hetzer?
Вы серьезно? Вы будете рассказывать, что снаряд вошёл едва ли на сантиметр?
Can you please test m48 patton apcr on the same plate, for comparison?
Okay !
Good paint
Rolf, someone is knocking on our door.
We didn't even scratch them!
Panther VS IS-2?
Not sure why you're displaying APCR striking angles when they were designed for flat surfaces.
Late war German rolled composite armor was not very good, as they had run out of proper alloying elements and the heat treating system actually used resulted in very brittle plates with compromised tensile toughness.. In addition, the welds on these tanks, between plates, tended to be brittle also. This round had a very good chance of shattering the plate at point of impact and, at a minimum, cracking the welds around the MG bulge and those of the front plate to the side plates.
What about BR-365A vs Panther?
That has more possibilities, its made to defeat sloped armor, but still it will be difficult to pen, too little mass in the 85, a 122mm BR-471B would instead go trough like butter
WWII APCR was useless against sloped armor.
Panther : you should aim for the head
Can you try the 85mm BR-367 stuff?
Даже если эти расчеты верны , в чем я очень сильно сомневаюсь , тогда немецким танкистам должно быть стыдно вдвойне , с таким преимуществом в броне и орудии, все равно не устоять перед натиском советских танкистов.....
Ta symulacja jest gówno warta. Bzdury i tyle.
why any tank gunner would shoot an APCR round at the most angled plate of a tank is besides me... but pretty cool how you modeled in the tungsten core and the aluminium body but the core simply splattered like a lead musket ball. not very realistic. the panthers front upper plate doesnt stand a chance against the 122mm cannon in the IS series of tanks. Wonder why the Soviets didnt make APCR for the 122? Surely the penetrative force would've been immense.
Looks like airgun pellet and even bounces like airgun pellet ;-)
Chinese firm developed apds fs round for the 85mm gun.
Tf is it made out of, gelatin?
Für mich kaum glaubhaft dass ein AP Geschoss mit 1050m/s dermassen wenig Wirkung hat.
Next pls panther shot vs sherman jumbo hull
"That one didnt go through"
That would have been deafening for the crew
How much ammo types weight and velocity?
APCR is terrible against angles, it is a well known fact that all APCR rounds are nearly incapable of penetrating angled armour
What ranges are you setting these sims at
people saying these test are wrong when in fact ww2 usage of these round were bad against sloped armor plus its expensive to make.
Well if simulations would be the most accurate way to know everything, then no one would actually bother with test firing guns and rounds anymore. I am not saying the simulation is wrong. But it's just that. A simulation.
Look, there is zero difference in the behavior of the Aluminium jacket and the Tungsten core, something is fishy here.
I wonder how the Soviets won against German tanks when they mostly used T-34s with 57, 75 and 85 mm canons against German medium Panther and heavy tanks like Tiger Is. Must have been a massive tank tidal wave that hit Germany.
SU85, SU100, IS2, massive fucking artillery barrages and a good doze of RUSSIAN AUDACITY
You cant stop Soviet 1944 offensive, its unstoppable.
Quantity of t34s also allows for a nice tactical advatage, as EACH of them is perfectly capable unit, that can flank any tanks and annihilate infantry, if any difficult problem appears, there are tank destroyers like su100, 152, 122. Tons of different kinds of artillery that wont care be their target an infantry unit or a king tiger platoon.
edit. : i dont remember any credible source mentioning panther invincibility for the 85mm zis s53 cannon, its a great cannon with lots of ammo and at distances they were fighting in the East(1km and less) t34 85 were able to pen the frontal plate of pz5.
Germany made 6000 panthers, 1200+ Tiger 1, 400+ Tiger II and other thousands of Panzer IV and Stugs in the entire war. They stand no chance against the superior number of Soviet tanks. In 1944 alone, Soviet Union produced 10,000 T-34-85
but the tough reality destroy such kind of experiment - to the time UBR-365P appeared nazi lost their main manganese mines. This fact force them to change armor steel properties and it became merely fragile - for instance, there are a lot of photos with a cracked hole in frontal armour plates of Pz. V made by 122 mm shells, which also cannot penetrate it, in theory. So there is no absolut gurantee for preventing penetration of this rounds, as it is shown for theretical КРФ material's characteristics.
Yes, worked against the Tiger 2 as well.
The armor became brittle like on the T34, but not because it was made too hard
@@V-V1875-h i didn't heard about this fact. our veterans wrote about a secondary projectiles in case of hitting by a serious rounds without penetrstion. that was a problem of T34, actually.
@@Nikodim_Gorobets the reason why you dont hear it from veterans is because the tank crew had a very low survival chance after being hit, the armor was hardened to 600 brenel, so twice as hard but a high velocity projectile would spall and shatter the entire plate killing all crew
Also Panthers late war got their armor shattered by even the 76mil
Actually, the 122 mm A-19 or D-25 routinely penetrated the Panther's hull, according to battlefield reports, well past 2000 meters. Of course, overmatching is also a consideration with this impact.
Can people stop using APCR for angled targets because they're pretty shit at it. An 85mm armor piercing, high explosive, capped, ballistic capped shells would penetrate that thing better, maybe two shots on the same spot would be able to pen that.
Броня что твёрже сердечника?))
криптонитовая
Shouldn't be I think
Did u angle today?
what ?
Nothing dude
My first reaction: No F×××××× way
It's really that bad?
Say this to War Thunder
This channel is not at all factual, this is likely incorrect because if you view the 75 mm APCBR against an M2 Sherman and the shell just voices off then too.
This can't be relevant. You have clearly made some mistake.
👍
The simulation is correct based on the inputs shown in the video
War thunder moment
If your videos were just 30 or so seconds shorter you would get way more views with TH-cam’s algorithm
Will try to upload few shorts videos too !
*Wir haben sie nicht mal angekratzt!*
Panther g vs t34/85
what the music name?
one lucky panther
Somebody hear something??
So war thunder wasn't really wrong about the shitty apcr shell
i didn't think it's so weak
That shell was outright pathetic💀
yeah your material seem extremely wrong
One of the worst performing projectiles we've ever seen here.
Interesting,during the korea war,M-24 tank survive hit from a 85mm ap rd. Fire from north korea t34/85.
So unable to penetrate even at point blank range...
Wow! Panther G frontal armor was OP!
this looks very wrong even the .50 cal would make a dent this size
I've seen pictures a Tiger II frontally penetrated by a subcaliber shell in a theater where the soviets only had access to 76.2mm cannons, so I doubt the 85mm shell would have any trouble at all passing through the frontal plate of a Panther.
Tiger II was never penetrated frontally in a battle. Thats not new information!
Even if this video is sketch this shell would still never come close to penetration maybe 1/3 of the way
Isso n acontece no word of tank
Claro q n, wot é um jogo isso é uma simulação
Panthers armer was not rha
Lol
Thats just wrong.
Sweet, I was right!
Yeah... .don't penetrade..... Panzer Hurra.
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APCR it's a shitt better apcbc
Slopes
Heaps of shocked gaijin russky lovers in the comments... Finally realising giajin lies eh?
What is this nazi op tank?
Явно в модели что то не соответствует реальности. Скорее всего снаряд из пластилина смоделирован.
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