A 'must-read' book is 'The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church', Angelus Press. In it, there are forty pages dedicated to explaining why, how the Mass was changed by the destroyers.
This was spoken about in Father Gobbi's messages from Our Lady (The Marian Movement of Priests). It was then that I realized the grave error of Vatican 2. Since I was born in the late 60's, I was not aware of the original Latin mass and all the traditions prior. We have been mislead thanks to the infiltration of evil. May God help us in the upcoming days.
My issue with the traditional movement as a whole has never been the Mass, the Mass is wonderful, it's just that's compared to other movements in the church I see less 'heart' fruit. Yes it is great to see the wonderful large families and growth with the persecution they experience and whilst I salute this, I feel there is something wrong with many hearts. There is a very cerebral understanding of the faith in the traditional movement, many people know the intellectual truths of certain aspects of the faith which I salute, but I sense little deep interior heart transformation i.e people who manifest the abiding fruit of the Spirit. I think a lot of traditional Catholics mean well and there are some fantastic people in the movement, however many are in need of deep inner healing and are unable to experience healing because they have a bunker mentality which prevents from reaching out to other parts of the church that could minister to them.
No. I think the people at the traditional mass love the mass because of its reverence, deeper meaning and because it is a sacrifice. It has structure , function and meaning. It is ridged so that it can not be misunderstood or done in error. Why not continue something that is beautiful and meaningful. Sometimes the Novos Ordo mass is terrible. Clown masses. Sometimes it does not honor God. What is the real cost of continuing the traditional mass? Money? The real cost is that you must can’t change faith , doctrine or morals.
I know what you mean. The trad movement does spend a lot of time discussing either the liturgy, the papacy, or Vatican II, and relatively less time discussing prayer or spirituality. This is part of the bunker mentality you refer to -- a need to reiterate the differences between us and them and the details of why things are the way they are. Hopefully this gets better in time
@@marchforjune We are living during an unprecedented apostasy. It's no surprise that these things are being discussed so much. How many souls are being led to damnation by the modernist false shepherds and their heresies?
Why does it matter if the congregation kneels or whether particles fall if it's not the real Eucharist in the first place? The same goes for the fast before receiving or for the loss of the proper altar.... none of it matters if it's not the real Eucharist in the first place. My inclination is to think that all of these things do matter because in fact the novus ordo Mass still does confect the Eucharist and all of these other things matter for that reason 😢
It matters only because the NO still claims to be the Catholic religion. If it is Catholic, they ought to be scandalised by these things. Thanks be to God that, in his great mercy, the NO mass is not valid.
There are kneelers in the Novus Ordo and the priest says, 'many' not 'all' (in reference to Christ shedding His Blood). I'm not trying to defend the Novus Ordo, just stating the truth to correct your error.
This sermon was given many years ago, I believe during JP2. During that time the English translation for the new mass was “for all”. It was changed to “for Many” by Benedict. Regarding no kneelers, yes he is wrong to say there are no kneelers. He could have been speaking from his experience (but it is not correct). I am sure some have no kneelers, but in practice it really is not necessary in their worship. They stand for everything
A brief, albeit serious reference to the noted Papal Bull, Quo Primum, decreed by Pope Saint Pius V, will indubitably settle this point for good and all. In this Ex Cathedra Bull, it is solemnly declared that the Holy Mass is never, ever to be scorned, touched, tampered with, added to or taken from, in any way, for all perpetuity, by any living person, under pain of mortal sin. That means that any new ideas or attempted innovations to The Holy Mass of old, are to be strictly avoided, with absolutely no exceptions, under any circumstances, whatsoever. It also means that the "Novus Ordo" so-called "Mass", remains and always has been, A COMPLETE FRAUD; a catastrophic deviation from sound Catholic Dogma, as well as from that of INERRANT PAPAL INFALLIBILITY! Apparently, antipope Paul VI, (of atrocious menory!), didn't believe that that solemn admonition, decreed long ago, regarding the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass did not apply to the likes of him, nor his demonic foul rout, who participated in the flagrantly heretical Vatican II Council, which was fully intended to destroy The Catholic Church, from within!
A 'must-read' book is 'The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church', Angelus Press. In it, there are forty pages dedicated to explaining why, how the Mass was changed by the destroyers.
Interesting! Thanks
This was spoken about in Father Gobbi's messages from Our Lady (The Marian Movement of Priests). It was then that I realized the grave error of Vatican 2. Since I was born in the late 60's, I was not aware of the original Latin mass and all the traditions prior. We have been mislead thanks to the infiltration of evil. May God help us in the upcoming days.
The Novos Ordo mass has caused many ( millions) to lose the faith. I’m sorry I said it. I’m sorrier that it is true.
Thank you Excellency
Deo gratias!
Amen 🙏
Please put the date and source video into the description below the video, as an appropriate, creditory reference. Thanks. @stanthonypaduaradtrad
The source video is in the description now. I basically broke them down. Thanks
The key, who is offerring the sacrafice of the Mass
Thank you. o/
The Mass l grew up with was sacred and vertical. The N.O. is heretical and horizontal.
The worst change is still the change of the breakfast the parishes offered.
Now they offer Krispy Kreme 🤮
My issue with the traditional movement as a whole has never been the Mass, the Mass is wonderful, it's just that's compared to other movements in the church I see less 'heart' fruit. Yes it is great to see the wonderful large families and growth with the persecution they experience and whilst I salute this, I feel there is something wrong with many hearts. There is a very cerebral understanding of the faith in the traditional movement, many people know the intellectual truths of certain aspects of the faith which I salute, but I sense little deep interior heart transformation i.e people who manifest the abiding fruit of the Spirit. I think a lot of traditional Catholics mean well and there are some fantastic people in the movement, however many are in need of deep inner healing and are unable to experience healing because they have a bunker mentality which prevents from reaching out to other parts of the church that could minister to them.
No. I think the people at the traditional mass love the mass because of its reverence, deeper meaning and because it is a sacrifice. It has structure , function and meaning. It is ridged so that it can not be misunderstood or done in error.
Why not continue something that is beautiful and meaningful.
Sometimes the Novos Ordo mass is terrible. Clown masses. Sometimes it does not honor God.
What is the real cost of continuing the traditional mass? Money? The real cost is that you must can’t change faith , doctrine or morals.
The beauty and all that is great, but the main reason is that it is Catholic. The Novus Ordo is Protestant
I know what you mean. The trad movement does spend a lot of time discussing either the liturgy, the papacy, or Vatican II, and relatively less time discussing prayer or spirituality. This is part of the bunker mentality you refer to -- a need to reiterate the differences between us and them and the details of why things are the way they are. Hopefully this gets better in time
@@marchforjunespot on, that’s my point, I am not attacking the TLM, just stating my sense on the movement.
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We are living during an unprecedented apostasy. It's no surprise that these things are being discussed so much. How many souls are being led to damnation by the modernist false shepherds and their heresies?
Why does it matter if the congregation kneels or whether particles fall if it's not the real Eucharist in the first place? The same goes for the fast before receiving or for the loss of the proper altar.... none of it matters if it's not the real Eucharist in the first place. My inclination is to think that all of these things do matter because in fact the novus ordo Mass still does confect the Eucharist and all of these other things matter for that reason 😢
These matter to demonstrate that the Novus Ordo doesn’t proclaim the Catholic faith, but is instead Protestant
It matters only because the NO still claims to be the Catholic religion. If it is Catholic, they ought to be scandalised by these things. Thanks be to God that, in his great mercy, the NO mass is not valid.
There are kneelers in the Novus Ordo and the priest says, 'many' not 'all' (in reference to Christ shedding His Blood). I'm not trying to defend the Novus Ordo, just stating the truth to correct your error.
This sermon was given many years ago, I believe during JP2. During that time the English translation for the new mass was “for all”. It was changed to “for Many” by Benedict.
Regarding no kneelers, yes he is wrong to say there are no kneelers. He could have been speaking from his experience (but it is not correct). I am sure some have no kneelers, but in practice it really is not necessary in their worship. They stand for everything
A brief, albeit serious reference to the noted Papal Bull, Quo Primum, decreed by Pope Saint Pius V, will indubitably settle this point for good and all.
In this Ex Cathedra Bull, it is solemnly declared that the Holy Mass is never, ever to be scorned, touched, tampered with, added to or taken from, in any way, for all perpetuity, by any living person, under pain of mortal sin.
That means that any new ideas or attempted innovations to The Holy Mass of old, are to be strictly avoided, with absolutely no exceptions, under any circumstances, whatsoever.
It also means that the "Novus Ordo" so-called "Mass", remains and always has been, A COMPLETE FRAUD; a catastrophic deviation from sound Catholic Dogma, as well as from that of INERRANT PAPAL INFALLIBILITY!
Apparently, antipope Paul VI, (of atrocious menory!), didn't believe that that solemn admonition, decreed long ago, regarding the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass did not apply to the likes of him, nor his demonic foul rout, who participated in the flagrantly heretical Vatican II Council, which was fully intended to destroy The Catholic Church, from within!
Many of us cry when we think about what has happened to the holy sacrifice of the Mass.
He left out the idiotic sign of peace.