This video is dedicated to the 346 lives lost on Boeing 737 MAX flights, Lion Air JT610, Ethiopian Airlines ET302 and all the whistleblowers who fought against Boeing.
This is so sad, what this company has done to its legacy and the folks who built that legacy. My dad flew in a B17 in WWII. 20 missions over Germany. He swore by those planes. This is the kind of thing that makes me glad he passed on before this scandal broke; he’d be heartbroken.
I was a stewardess in 1966. We were so proud of our wonderful Boeing 707s.. Boeing stood for the finest America had to offer. It's hard to describe how painful it was to watch this documentary. I had to stop a few times and come back later. Post WWII America was a very different place. You could count on any product you bought being of good quality. That is no longer true. Boeing may be the most painful example but it isn't the only example.
It turns out that opening the borders to infinity foreigners, removing white men from positions of authority, and permitting the raiding of our corporate a rootless clique of international bankers was a bad idea.
It is nauseating how US government has protected Boeing despite all the obvious issues resulting in deaths which were quite avoidable. If Airbus or Embraer commited these deliberate acts of negligence they would have been banned in US citing danger to public safety
well when Boeing makes a lot planes for your miltary with only one other manufacture to go to if they let Boeing fall and that being Lockheed martin which would not not be able to take up the demand for planes so of course the government will protect a company they deem vital to national security even if they are breaking the law
@@topgun1457 True but i feel it goes a few levels deeper. Think of all the other industries that it takes to support boeing and lockheed. think of what supports those other industries. If they are allowed to fail it will send major ripples through society. I legit hate the thought of this and hope im wrong.
The efficiency of the FBI to silence all those whistleblowers in the past was not as professional today as it once was , Causing everything to fall apart. Sadly they are not as efficient suiciding people as they once were.
i am working for airbus. on 1:05:00 something similar has happened few months ago, i had a similar conversation with my college about one mistake that i found after inspecting.. to be fair they made mistake to simple forgot to put selant on one part.. it is not huge deal but after i spoke with college we decided to report.. almost immediately after report the hole production stopped and bosses made a meeting with all the workers to discuss that mistake. it was simple mistake that would not made any impact what so ever on the plane.. but i love how seriously we deal with it. and after seeing that clip i must say i was rly upset.
I work in aerospace for a major global company. Quality issues occur. The difference is that if we even suspect there might be a quality issue, we immediately stop work, investigate the issue, notify the customer, and enact changes to our processes to prevent the issue from occurring again.
I'm going into logistics and my biggest fear is safety. Both the passengers and cargo. This goes for all modes. And honestly it's very very difficult to know as an average person if the company you want to buy a vehicle from is competent and safety conscious.. Any advice on how to stay up to date.
What if a major airline has a risk management insurance contract that allows them to kill passengers and crew? John Oliver covered the swindle as applied to fracking.
I worked for a major carrier, I got maimed for life on the job, and I told my company how to prevent what happened to me and almost killed a passenger so they fired me, 4 weeks before full retirement, without a hearing because my MRIs were disallowed. That's why Chicago Bar Association members have no testicles, and why Boeing reincorporated where killing customers and employees is normalized.
In case of an airplane, you can get everything top notch, two inept pilots get in and wreck everything. Alaska airline ; isn’t the one which skipped lubricating horizontal stabilizer jack screw and plane nosed down into Pacific?
This is a cautionary tale for any corporation in any industry. When you stop paying attention to quality and only worry about getting that short-term profit you will eventually crash and burn. In this case, literally.
My company has the same philosophy. Cut payroll, pressure managers, deny us the tools we need to get the job done, maximize profits...it's a race to the bottom. And yes, safety is only acknowledged enough to give lip service and avoid liability.
As an engineer, this is going on everywhere people don’t understand what it takes to do the job correctly. They think we can just pull it out of our ass.
Was a master moldmaker left because old timers saw what was happening in the industry. Came back after covid to pass on my knowledge to next generation. Corporate America has no idear what it takes to bring back manufacturing
@@peterwohlleben8784 manufacturing jobs got offshored long ago and as a result, destroyed our ability to properly and safely manufacture. the last 3 generations have been born and raised in a country where a very small percentage of the population (8%) actually is involved within. even though 60 years ago 1/3 of americans were involved in manufacturing
Yep, I worked in the (rather not say) industry. The bean counters would direct "cost saving" efforts, replacing components with cheaper parts that were inappropriate for the application, with the usual result. Never let bean counters get anywhere near engineering.
You should edit that by "we live in a society built not by experts, but stock trading and accounting companies." This isn't one aspect of our lives, it's everything. Our food, our clothes, our medicine, all of it.
The most insane thing for me was that MCAS took data from only one alpha probe. As an aircraft technician this is unheard of. Everything critical like this is always heavily redundant. Pure insanity
Same here. That the MCAS system was dependent on a single point of failure was unbelievable. What's even worse was that the system would swap sensors every flight cycle. So if a crew reported a problem during flight, maintenance would find nothing wrong because the system had switched from the bad sensor to the good one. What I had also heard was that Boeing had laid off their in-house software programmers and outsourced their software to an Indian company who hired programmers at $9/hour who probably had no experience in aviation. Outsourcing as much as possible was a pet project of CEO's Harry Stonecipher and James McNerney.
i mean tbf those things are insanely robust, its actually quite amazing we had 2 highly unlikely scenarios where they failed thus highlighting the design inadequacies of MCAS.
Exactly. I just can’t understand the mentality of forgetting about the long term and only worrying about that short term share price hike. In the end your shares are going to be worthless that way.
@@willo7734 It's the "if you're not stealing from the company, you're stealing from your family" life philosophy. They have cashed in. It's in their bank accounts. They don't care.
It's ironic Douglas was struggling and when Boeing bought them, instead of incorporating their culture into Douglas, they adopted most of the problems Douglas had.
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This isn't just about Boeing, it's the culture of the whole western world, profits are N.1... Same with the Mercedes manufacturer in Germany, if you asked a taxi driver 20 years ago how his MB E-class is performing, "oh, great, never head any issus", today if you ask one how's the car - "well, their.. good, their, you know, not bad", that's a long way from being great. This is a much broader issue, absolutely no moral compas, greed, indolence and all of this has a name - collapse of civilizations. When the people at the top start thinking and working only for themselves, whatever the cost, even if the world burns, that sentence above isn't an overstatement. Fun fact: Vietnam - sentences billionaires to death if they do frauds. US: they get a bonus payout or if they're a bank a bailout.
The complete miss, is to ignore the actual cultural virus that has come up over the past 2 decades. - Greedy capitalism hasn't gone rampant for some reason in the west - Radical left wing culture has. DEI has taken over every single major corporation and bank - These banks enforce these policies onto everyone. There isn't a soul anymore, it's just politics.
specifying western world shows you dont understand how these problems are exacerbated and much worse in countries with very little regulation and oversight like brazil, india or mexico
Come on, you have to be specific. You talk about woman who embezzeled public money. If I rob a bank of a few millions, would you call me a millionaire?
So true! This documentary is a testament to the fact that we are ruled by the POS "mafioso" systems of governance. It is probably the main reason why our POS species must not be allowed beyond low Earth orbit anytime soon...
American corporate culture is pretty disgusting. They made modifications and didnt tell the pilots intentionally so they could blame them in case of accident. Also straight racism even tho the pilot was trained in US. If you wanna get somewhere more reliably than boeing, just fly airbus or glider/ww1 biplane/big balloon
I was a Tooling QA Inspector at Boeing. My Mother, Father, and Brother all worked for Boeing. I retired after more than thirty years. After watching this I will be taking action against my last manager and the Boeing Company. Frederick Chavre of Maple Valley.
Yeah I called complete BS. You don't leave a comment like that with a tie to something as close to a company like this with a comment and also have the TH-cam Creator comment directly to you and then not answer him. People do this all the time and they say they either know the victim or they put themselves into a story and this sounds no different. You just mentioned a random name that's it.
@@JJMics😂😂😂 the name he mentioned, is his own name. Which, with a quick google search, returns a number of results. All things point to his story checking out. The internet is a tool, used for more than just running your mouth. Try it out. Hope you have a good day, sir
I worked line mech for 40 years on Boeing jets. I truly liked the aircraft compared to Lockheed, Airbus, and DC. Boeing has always been far superior. But the two MCAS engineering design failure really piss me off.
The Souix City crash unfortunately severed all 3 hydraulic systems as they were all close together. Remember that the plane was forced to fly in circles. While there was a crash, I believe that deaths were minimized by the skill of the pilots!
As a recent grad mechanical engineer, the boeing stuff has really made me appreciate that my company really puts safety first. Everyone who works in a factory knows the tedium of constant safety meetings and new rules- but boeing is a high profile example of what happens when those meetings don’t happen. Also proof that engineering companies need to be run by engineers, not business idiots.
@orendamusic7577 meetings cannot do that, they only serve as an efficient mean to disseminate relevant information and experience. Each individual is responsible for his or her own action/inaction and safety mindset. You need to understand that safety begins and ends with the individual performing the function, you cannot "adminster" safety. Don't be fooled into thinking that a "safety culture" is actually translating into legitimate acts of safety conscious behavior, especially in production/dynamic environments.
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This just came across my feed. I’ve never seen the first one. But I know other channels that I watch regularly have had to do this for a video or two. Unaware of copyrights that were in there or something. They also made some improvements along with taking out whatever they were supposed to. Just started watching, but I’m impressed with the old footage and the narration so far. It seems pretty comprehensive. And I like the fact that you dedicated to the lost souls from the max flights. Definitely watching the rest of the video.
@@Explorist You know, "predatory capitalism" could be taken out of context. I know he means Enron and the others that went too far, but people seem to think all capitalism is bad. Just fyi.
Half of the aircraft flying in the sky right at the moment you are reading this are Boeing. Boeing aircrafts (except the MAX variants (pay me I dont touch it)) are as safe as any other aircraft.
Yep my dad worked for Boeing from 1982 to 2001. When recently he lost his job, he considered going back. Then he talked to his friends that still are at Boeing and said nope, nope, nope, nope. He avoid Boeing planes just like our whole family.
What pisses me off the most is that after the crashes, Boeing tried to blame the pilots, trying to exploit that they were from a developing nation's airline and insinuating that because they were from a developing nation they couldn't possibly be well-trained. This is in spite of the fact that Boeing knew that it was likely their own system (which they had deliberately concealed from the pilots) that had caused the crash. What also makes me sad is that one of my grandfather's best friends worked almost his entire adult life for Boeing. He had been a B-17 pilot in WW2 (my grandfather was his tailgunner). He went to work for Boeing after the war and spent three decades there as an engineer. One of the best, highest character people I've ever had the honor to meet and very proud of the work he did at Boeing. I remember as a kid listening to him talk with so much excitement about airplanes, flying and aeronautics (the latter of which went right over my head) and he let me play with the model airplanes in his study. I am glad that he passed away before the MCAS and other safety scandals as those scandals and the subsequent cover-up would have broken his heart. In his day, Boeing was a company about people and producing world class airplanes...before it got taken by the soulless, corrupt entity that is the US corporate world.
Boeing is the perfect case study in what happens when managers with narcissistic personality disorder take charge. It happened at Link Group where I worked for, and I can see the paralells. This type of manager sees it as their job to show dominance over the staff, and to make money short term at any long term cost. Its important to note, its not just about money. They're also consciously trying to make it about cruelty. They see everything as a power play to be 'won,' and to them, 'winning' is about hurting you. Because they believe its what keeps them in a position of superiority that they feel they deserve. This is why Boeing can't recover. They will NEVER try to re-create the worker conditions that made Boeing great, and even if the wanted to, they couldn't, because it costs more money than doing what they're doing at the moment, and it would cost even more money to resolve the big messes they made, which wouldn't have happened in the first place if they'd just kept the good working environment they had before. Companies like this, put themselves into the position where trying to reverse the decline would just make them decline faster. So the managers 'act out' against their staff, and pretend everything is good, until the end.
My bestie was my AME(aircraft mechanic); Boeing went for profits instead of engineering, now their ships are falling out of the sky. Shame on corporate creeps. Jail them.
Don’t exaggerate pls..Only 2 fell out of sky..10.000 are flying and landing safely each day. Ryan Air is flying 500 737 's since decades without a single accident...
Boeing has had 982 accidents over the past decade, compared to Airbus's 264. This is a significant imbalance considering that both have similar market shares, although currently, according to FlightGlobal, Airbus has a 55% market share and Boeing a 45%.
@@carinmore4406 I must clarify that the information refers to accidents and incidents (surely most of them are incidents of greater or lesser importance), and refers only to those in which the NTSB participated in the investigations.
@@rumpelstiltkinn To be fair, the vast majority of these will likely be pilot error, maintenance issues or the like, and not aircraft-specific accidents. When it's the plane itself that caused the problem, these things tend to be big deals because they need to be rectified on all the other in-service jets worldwide.
@The_Ossifrage to be fairer, why would pilot error be a bigger issue for one company rather than another? No matter how you cut it, there is a systemic reason for why airbus is safer.
To save a few billion will cost Boeing trillions and reputational damage that's immeasurable. To get back to what they were they have to go back to the old culture, but I don't think they can. The Corporate mindset is now set in stone, so they can swap out CEO for CEO as many times as they like, it won't change anything. CEOs are all cultivated on the same petri dish. Competence and talent has left the building never to return. The US government should be worried about Boeing's competence in the military industrial complex they are such a big part of.
Interesting to note that the senior executives retire with millions in severance pay. I wonder what kind of settlement the victim's families took home. I bet no eight figure settlement. It's also interesting to note the debacle over their space delivery system; and now, courtesy of Boeing, two astronauts "lost in space"! Thank the Lord for the International Space Station.
it doesn't matter. The CEOs still made a lot of money and left. Whatever they did in the company, eventually helped them in the long run. So they did the right thing for themselves. Till we punish them for what they did, this culture will not change in Boeing or in any company in America.
No, it won't cost them trillions. So tired of people exaggerating figures with multiple zeros. It will cost them billions, but not even $100B, let alone a trillion.
@@kurtfrancis4621 Sure - they can't pay trillions, but let's assume the whistleblowers are correct (and how can over 100 whistlers who put their lives in danger not be at least largely correct?) about thousands of shoddy parts have being fitted and corners cut over the last decade or more. There are likely to be more catastrophic failures. So the "cost" will include more lives as well as $ billions. If the next one includes many deaths in Europe or the US, it could put Boeing in a tailspin it cannot recover from. Passengers will avoid modern Boeing planes. So will airlines and aircrews . Boeing clung to its 1960s 737 platform too long, abandoning its new mid size plane project to make even more short-term money for executives and shareholders. So it can't start afresh with a new modern model. Also having failed in space, Boeing may be heading for bankruptcy.
When a company puts shareholders & profits ahead of safety, that company should cease to exist! God bless the murdered whistleblowers & all the passengers & crew who perished !🙏🏻❤️ 0:30
The irony is they wanted to make more money, but in the end, they lost more. I cannot comprehend how an aircraft manufacturer company could ever compromise on quality and safety. That is the best recipe for your downfall, Boeing.
It was obvious to me when Boeing bought MD that there was going to be some serious problems. This merger should NEVER have been allowed for a variety of reasons. Physically and financially.
It's interesting that the McDon. Douglas brand name hasn't been damaged nearly as much as Boeing...I wouldn't be surprised if the MD brand was resurrected at some point.
Boeing is full of people and relatives of people who have been promised a cushy job in return for dirty and/or secret political favors. If Boeing goes down all those people have to be given new compensation and that's hard to keep quiet.
when a company is as important to the military as boeing is, would that be such a bad thing? boeing isnt just important for the defense of the US, but most countries in the world
The level of corporate greed is absolutely astounding! Imagine just how much better off they'd be, had they just done the right thing all along? Baffles me, the level of incompetency and insane greed... Like what in the actual?! They should be dismantled entirely, and rebuilt from the ground up. This is WAY beyond just trying to make changes at this point. That much is obvious.
I think these were actual suicides. The blame, however, should be thrown at Boeing as the amount of pressure (financially and legally) they put on these people was immense.
This is not just a Boeing issue. This is a aviation cultural issue. I’ve been in the military aviation industry my entire 38 years. The same thing with Boeing’s moving train to push aircraft out is the same culture the government aviation community is experiencing. Both commercial and military has traded quality for quantity. If anyone wants to truly see a change, then have an external training and quality system. If any one of those areas are controlled by the same company, or an organization, then cover-ups and silencing are the tools of management/leadership. You cannot have quality training or product if the control of it is under the lines of leadership. Things get covered and buried to easily. Keep tuned to aviation, if this culture don’t change more accidents/mishaps will continue at an alarming expeditionary rate than ever seen than in our aviation records past.
Story about MCAS and why it was even needed is tied to a general designing flaw and has to do with a designating path for the 737 MAX. Essentially what they did was to stick an oversized and heavier engine on a smaller body airplane essentially disturbing weight distribution and moving the center of gravity. In order to compete with Airbus new and more fuel efficient models, it was much cheaper for Boeing to reuse existing design than to develop a new airplane, resulting in this frankenplane. This airplane line should had never been approved let alone produced and now passengers all around the world are risking their lives boarding these airplanes.
I'm struggling to comprehend how angry this has made me, as a lover of all things Aviation. Boeing, a once mighty and well regarded company, is now on the road to its death because of greed. I am mortified by this... my thoughts and feelings go out to the victims of this tragedy, and I hope that Boeing either learns from this, or simply closes its doors. Utterly disgusting behaviour by Boeing... shame on them.
I've worked at Boeing for 10 years now. You have no idea how many times moving the line was prioritized over building the actual plane. So many times I had to install parts on the flight line after the plane rolled out of the factory as done.
Traveled work has always been problematic…it’s part of the business. Robust escape detection and prompt defect correction is essential for safety AND schedule.
Even at Toyota and their "Toyota Production System" (TPS) which auto manufacturers were implementing to build the HIGHEST quality products, seems nowadays a distant memory for the sake of an "improved" bottom line. Toyota's reliability has NEVER been LOWER than it is now!
They tried to blame the pilots that they killed. Absolute moral cowardice. These executives will still make astronomical amounts of money even as the company falters. That’s apparently what happens when you get to that corporate level. Once you get into that fraternity you get paid millions no matter what happens and face almost zero consequences via diffused responsibility
I’ve been with Boeing for 34 years. I’ve worked on the military side of the former McDonnell Douglas Company. We’ve been transformed by the GE culture brought by Harry Stonecipher. I met Harry a few times and hated him. One time, we were at our St Louis office which is at the Lambert Airport. An F-18 took off, and we waited for the noise to go away. Harry said, “Do you know what that sound is?” Someone said, “Freedom”. Harry said, “No. It’s the sound of money”. I thought, “This guy is an asshole”. Which he was and was the start of our transformation of great technology and products to being run by Venture Capitalists. Now, everything is broken down. I look forward to retiring.
He clearly said “how many Boeing employees have been fired for retaliating against whistleblowers?” Not “how many Boeing employees are retaliated against” as the narrator suggests
I felt gaslighted as they were playing the quote. I was questioning the context, questioning my own judgement until I said wait a minute that’s not what is happening here. The narrator sounded so confident that it magnified my temporary lapse in judgement
Airline Pilot watching, what an absolutely amazing video! I am always stunned by boeing blaming the pilots, just the “easy way out” for them! And was happy to hear you defend us! Thanks!
Bro , their company should be put on hold even before the first accident , there should be a world aviation regulation where the whistle blowers would save lives and save their company without risking their lives and jobs
I am an aspiring Aviation Mechanic. The first time Boeing came to my school to pitch to us the idea of becoming a Boeing employee, I sat out alone with no one else with me. When asked by the professors why I did that, I told them that until they fix their damn planes, I won’t be working for them. A few months later, my professors encouraged me to listen to them and I reluctantly agreed. Throughout their pitch, they made no statements on work culture, work safety, or anything related to being a good employer. What they did do was shell out benefits like nobody’s business. Free school to get into a Business degree, major airline flight benefits, discounted prices to get your pilot’s license, you get the picture. All of this happened prior to the Alaskan Airlines Door Plug incident. I will never work for Boeing, and the only way I would is is if I see major changes in philosophy and business practice. Both of those are very unlikely to occur.
The same happened to BP when they were deep drilling on a rig in the Gulf of Mexico. Experienced workers were told to work faster and many protocols had to be skipped, because the shareholders wanted to see faster returns. That faulty order resulted in an explosion that killed 11 on the platform and an oil spill that cost billions to BP to clean it. That is what happens when returns are priorities instead of safe practices. Shareholders ignore safe practices, their goal is faster and bigger returns despite all the dire consequences. I read that the ethos of Boeing totally changed with the merger of Mc Donnell Douglas and instead of safe practices and excellent work the priority became lucre.
I’ve been in manufacturing since 1984, in the 2000s the focus of industry went from customers are the most important to the shareholders. It changed everything. Who cares about rich shareholders? They build nothing. Do you think it’s a coincidence that 401k was pushed over a pension?? They want you to care about stock price. Stock market is just legalized gambling. Get your money out now. Everything is about to change
In 1982 President Reagan changed the regulations to allow stock buybacks. As a result Boeing executives spent more than $41 billion for share buybacks instead of investing in manufacturing capabilities and product development. That was why executives backed the company into a corner and unable to compete with Airbus and so they made a shortcut with the 737 Max aircraft. No one in their right mind would fly on any Boeing aircraft when there are Airbus alternatives as one can determine by using the Kayak website to select flights.
As an engineer living in Seattle area, my colleagues and I have known (for decades) that Boeing was were the "C" average engineers go and see their careers die. I had a resume from a former Boeing engineer that spent most of his career working on door hinges. I have 3 former engineers living on my block and they all hated their lives at Boeing. One of them spent his last 5 career years working for SpaceX and feels like he actually accomplished something even if he had to work 12 hour days.
I wish you would've added The Boeing Tanker Case to your video as well. Boeing doesn't have a part of the company that hasn't been corrupted by corporate greed. I see this corporate greed mentality in all aspects of our life today. Looking at the housing problem, prisons in the US, food industry, oil and gas. I see this as the beginning of the downfall of the US by killing the golden goose.
This change in "corporate culture" is exactly why prices stayed up after covid. Our government on both sides is complicit as well. They are bought and paid for by special interests.
the federal government is the reason prices are so bad, do you not know how inflation works? the current administration promised a war on oil and its exactly what we got. price of oil goes up, so does everything else. this is what happens when you vote for idiots that cancel existing contracts, refuse to renew or open new contracts for drilling, transporting and refining oil
23:23 It makes me want to cry seeing that Captain's face. You know he loved what he did, had logged many thousands of incident-free hours, and now he's gone..because these imbeciles at Boeing decided to "keep MCAS quiet."
Boeing cheated me out of intellectual property in 1994. It didn't work because they didn't do it right. Before that they were so impressed with my invention they requested I be assigned to make the 777 fuselage turning fixture. 1600 planes were delivered from my fixture over 30 years with no mass fatality accident to this day. In 2009 I started posting comments on aviation videos about the intellectual property theft. Around 2010 they built a secret robot assembly plant to make the planes without my fixture. In 2012 they said, when it was revealed, it was to increase productivity, and reduce cost. It did neither. In 2016 they dismantled my fixture. Later that year they dismantled the robot assembly plant. I don't know what they use now but they made 200 777s without my fixture, and made some longer 777X for delivery in 2019. Failure after failure after failure pushed back delivery again, and again now to 2025. In march I filed a report on this with the FAA. 2 days later 3 senior members of the Boeing board of directors announced their intention to resign by the end of the year. A few months later Boeing pleaded guilty, and accepted an over $200,000,000 fine in a 737 case.
I am an engineer with 40 years experience working on high reliability systems. The engineering, business and leadership failures that lead to the MCAS debacle were incomprehensibly bad. Having said that, the re-engineered MCAS should be OK moving forward. Last night I flew on a 737-max for the first time. It was a beautiful plane with nicely enhanced interior features. Too bad Boeing management didn't do MCAS the right way back in 2012(or so) when they had a chance 😢.
But what about all the other quality control issues aside from MCAS, and the whole corporate mentality to maximise profits of safety? MCAS might now be fixed, but I still wouldn't want to travel in a Boeing. I'm surprised, as an engineer, you're supporting a company with priorities like this.
Yes, I’m not so concerned about MCAS as I am all the other issues with quality. I will never fly on another Boeing and have changed two trips. I Will never again fly on a Boeing.
@@postersm7141 Yep. Exactly. I'm in the midst of organising a holiday, and will be doing everything I can to make sure the flights I take aren't on Boeings. Being in Europe that should be relatively straight forward as I think the airlines over here tend to use Airbus planes.
MCAS was just programmatically limited, not re-engineered. A proper solution would be to have triple-redundant sensors one of which could fail and the other two vote the odd one out. All competing planes have between 3 and 6 active AoA vanes, all Boeings have 2 with only 1 active at any given time - even the new Boeings like 787. Thankfully the newer planes have no need for the suicide mode. It's just a company of bean counters. Base platform and philosophy is from the 60's, they just wrap it in composite instead of aluminum and attach bigger engines now to stay competitive.
MCAS is not the real issue. The real issue is the culture of executives. Boeing rose due to the employees turning wrenches having input to engineering. Also the engineering industry has an ever increasing level of failures. In the days of SR-71 engineers actually had the technical engineering skills in their brains now engineers rely on software that is prone to glitches, errors, interpretations, argument...etc....
I'll never understand how people fall for 'running it like a business' when all that means is sucking all the life out of the company and destroying the product for a few extra bucks in the short term.
@@clarenceghammjr1326unions are necessary for collective bargaining. The American worker had a much better life when there were lots of unions. Companies were better run too.
I worked for this company for over a decade, in finance. After a couple of days working there, I had dinner with some colleagues of my previous employer. They asked me how it was, working for Boeing. My answer: if they build their planes like they keep their financial records, just think twice before flying with them. Obviously I was joking, as I would never imagine what was coming.
Boeing didn't just throw those pilots under the bus they threw them under an Airbus . They better get their act together sharpish, or this could become a case of Boeing Boeing Gone 💥
People need to understand that aviation is not a business like others. Each time you try to cut costs (in the short run) , others will pay - and one day, you will, too.
Boeing executives seem to forget that customer experience, safety and satisfaction determine the success and longevity of their business. Shame on these greedy people.
Something darker is going on. It’s almost as if top brass at Boeing dont want the company to perform well, nor do they seem to care what anyone thinks about their methods. Just odd…
Ceo pay scales are ridiculously way out of line ! Those millions should be put back into the employees and the upgrading and maintenance of manufacturing!! equipment!!!
Thank you. Added some new information. Prior to this drama I have never ever checked whether it is a Boeing 737 MAX or not. Now it‘s „If it‘s a Boeing I‘m not goeing“ whenever possible. I‘m willing to pay a higher price or delay my flight. Only a few do this but I will until the curtain falls.
The attitude of Boeing has a racist underline. CEO was basically saying; 'They are brown, poor and from a foreign nation, its their fault the plane went down!'
What an absolute Stunner! Amazing video . If only Boeing heard when whistleblowers pointed the errors, maybe those lives could have been saved. After being taken down, re-uploading video of this quality and information clearly shows your dedication! You guys have proved that quote " comeback is always greater than the setback". Great job Team Explorist . Also , condolences to the families of victims who lost their lives in that fatal accidents😢!!
When I fly, I use Frontier Airlines. Just about unbeatable prices and they don't use 737s.! My daughter went to France with her class in June, and just happen be on an A330 round trip. I was glad!
"Safety is a core value of Boeing" (yeah behind profits and dividends) sad part is is that these were perfectly good aircraft that crashed because of 1's and 0's
36:22 I did not only lost my daughter I lost my past, my today, my future uff!! a mother who lost her daughter, those words really make a knot on your throat.😔
This is an excellenr piece of work & documentary. Corporate greed, indifference to the value of human life, increasing corporate capture of regulatory bodies and the legalised bribery of polticians will mean this is indeed only the beginning.
I've wondered how Airbus's rise has been so meteoric, I think Boeing's decline contributed. The corporate raiders must be happy with the outcome, given the amount of money they pocketed from Boeing.
The total disregard for human safety Boeing displayed in this entire situation is just devastating. I'm not sure how the leadership hasn't faced criminal charges!
This sgould be criminal for someone like the ceo of Boeing to neglect the hearing and words/safety procedures and trainings of its employees. This is absolutely ridiculous
Ironic that it was raining the day that the Max 8 was launched... Perhaps heaven was crying over the lives that would be lost 😢 Here is an idea for a Boeing ad: "Passengers are DYING to fly with us and our employees have a KILLER retirement program".✈️☠️
This video is dedicated to the 346 lives lost on Boeing 737 MAX flights, Lion Air JT610, Ethiopian Airlines ET302 and all the whistleblowers who fought against Boeing.
And dedicated to John Barnett and Joshua Dean! RIP.
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@flyingtiger112 it can happen to anybody
Boeing had those guys whacked smh
@Brian_Williams5298 In the real world, conjecture doesn't count as evidence. You have to prove that stuff.
What's even more insane is that two astronauts are currently stranded in space because their boeing space capsule's thrusters are failing
Thanks for your comment! the latest news is that they would not be able to come back until 2025.
If it's Boeing I'm not going, even if it's a fricking space craft.
This is so sad, what this company has done to its legacy and the folks who built that legacy. My dad flew in a B17 in WWII. 20 missions over Germany. He swore by those planes. This is the kind of thing that makes me glad he passed on before this scandal broke; he’d be heartbroken.
Don’t worry, Commula will bail them out and bring them home 😂😂😂😂
Planes, Starling, and SLS. Boeing is having issues with everything these days.
I was a stewardess in 1966. We were so proud of our wonderful Boeing 707s.. Boeing stood for the finest America had to offer. It's hard to describe how painful it was to watch this documentary. I had to stop a few times and come back later. Post WWII America was a very different place. You could count on any product you bought being of good quality. That is no longer true. Boeing may be the most painful example but it isn't the only example.
It turns out that opening the borders to infinity foreigners, removing white men from positions of authority, and permitting the raiding of our corporate a rootless clique of international bankers was a bad idea.
That America is long gone.. and dead..
I flew on the 707 and 727's. The women on those flights were absolutely the best. Thank you for your kindness and hard work. ❤❤
@@cayman9873 Thank you, Cayman. Those were the days.
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It is nauseating how US government has protected Boeing despite all the obvious issues resulting in deaths which were quite avoidable. If Airbus or Embraer commited these deliberate acts of negligence they would have been banned in US citing danger to public safety
well when Boeing makes a lot planes for your miltary with only one other manufacture to go to if they let Boeing fall and that being Lockheed martin which would not not be able to take up the demand for planes so of course the government will protect a company they deem vital to national security even if they are breaking the law
@@topgun1457 True but i feel it goes a few levels deeper. Think of all the other industries that it takes to support boeing and lockheed. think of what supports those other industries. If they are allowed to fail it will send major ripples through society. I legit hate the thought of this and hope im wrong.
No worries. Boeing is TOO BIG to fail. The feds will do whatever it takes to save it. What's important is to keep those executive bonuses flowing .
Trump deserves more credit than he’ll ever be given for pulling rank on the feckless FAA.
@@mtnbike4522You'd be surprised how quickly those problems would go away if people did jail time and were personally sued into the poor house.
whistleblowers suddenly becoming "suicidal" tells you all you need to know about the state of this company
About as much suicide as Jeffrey Epstien
Assassins getting contracts too is what it looks like!
The efficiency of the FBI to silence all those whistleblowers in the past was not as professional today as it once was , Causing everything to fall apart. Sadly they are not as efficient suiciding people as they once were.
Capitalism kills.
i am working for airbus. on 1:05:00 something similar has happened few months ago, i had a similar conversation with my college about one mistake that i found after inspecting.. to be fair they made mistake to simple forgot to put selant on one part.. it is not huge deal but after i spoke with college we decided to report.. almost immediately after report the hole production stopped and bosses made a meeting with all the workers to discuss that mistake. it was simple mistake that would not made any impact what so ever on the plane.. but i love how seriously we deal with it. and after seeing that clip i must say i was rly upset.
After reading your post, it scares me that you are an Airbus inspector!
Alles klar
45% decline in Boeing's stock value within the past 5 years says a lot
Only 45% says more
Soros will buy it soon.
Not unless you shorted it…
Gayorg SoreAss will buy it.
CEOs don't care...they get their millions no matter the stock performance.
I work in aerospace for a major global company. Quality issues occur. The difference is that if we even suspect there might be a quality issue, we immediately stop work, investigate the issue, notify the customer, and enact changes to our processes to prevent the issue from occurring again.
I'm going into logistics and my biggest fear is safety. Both the passengers and cargo. This goes for all modes. And honestly it's very very difficult to know as an average person if the company you want to buy a vehicle from is competent and safety conscious..
Any advice on how to stay up to date.
What if a major airline has a risk management insurance contract that allows them to kill passengers and crew? John Oliver covered the swindle as applied to fracking.
I worked for a major carrier, I got maimed for life on the job, and I told my company how to prevent what happened to me and almost killed a passenger so they fired me, 4 weeks before full retirement, without a hearing because my MRIs were disallowed. That's why Chicago Bar Association members have no testicles, and why Boeing reincorporated where killing customers and employees is normalized.
In case of an airplane, you can get everything top notch, two inept pilots get in and wreck everything. Alaska airline ; isn’t the one which skipped lubricating horizontal stabilizer jack screw and plane nosed down into Pacific?
This is a cautionary tale for any corporation in any industry. When you stop paying attention to quality and only worry about getting that short-term profit you will eventually crash and burn. In this case, literally.
Dude, companies can't help but cut corners even when building refrigerators. Everything is in a landslide because of profit obsession
@@ChubakaSteven True.
My company has the same philosophy. Cut payroll, pressure managers, deny us the tools we need to get the job done, maximize profits...it's a race to the bottom. And yes, safety is only acknowledged enough to give lip service and avoid liability.
Cautionary tale yes, but do you think anyone will learn anything except creative ways to skim more money from a companies destruction
The Corrupt Congress will always support them, though - with Huge contracts (cost plus).
As an engineer, this is going on everywhere people don’t understand what it takes to do the job correctly. They think we can just pull it out of our ass.
Was a master moldmaker left because old timers saw what was happening in the industry. Came back after covid to pass on my knowledge to next generation. Corporate America has no idear what it takes to bring back manufacturing
@@peterwohlleben8784 oh trust me they do, nothing that a quick war won't fix.
This generation only cares about profit, no matter the cost of lives it takes.
@@peterwohlleben8784 manufacturing jobs got offshored long ago and as a result, destroyed our ability to properly and safely manufacture. the last 3 generations have been born and raised in a country where a very small percentage of the population (8%) actually is involved within. even though 60 years ago 1/3 of americans were involved in manufacturing
Yep, I worked in the (rather not say) industry. The bean counters would direct "cost saving" efforts, replacing components with cheaper parts that were inappropriate for the application, with the usual result. Never let bean counters get anywhere near engineering.
so we fly in planes built not by an engineering company, but a stock trading and accounting company
AND The race hustlers are telling the engineers what to do (DEI) since 2022.
Yes, if your stupid enough not to book a Airbus flight
Built by general laborers
You should edit that by "we live in a society built not by experts, but stock trading and accounting companies." This isn't one aspect of our lives, it's everything. Our food, our clothes, our medicine, all of it.
The most insane thing for me was that MCAS took data from only one alpha probe. As an aircraft technician this is unheard of. Everything critical like this is always heavily redundant. Pure insanity
Same here. That the MCAS system was dependent on a single point of failure was unbelievable. What's even worse was that the system would swap sensors every flight cycle. So if a crew reported a problem during flight, maintenance would find nothing wrong because the system had switched from the bad sensor to the good one. What I had also heard was that Boeing had laid off their in-house software programmers and outsourced their software to an Indian company who hired programmers at $9/hour who probably had no experience in aviation. Outsourcing as much as possible was a pet project of CEO's Harry Stonecipher and James McNerney.
Cost cutting remember? They will use dollar store bolts if no one watches.
i mean tbf those things are insanely robust, its actually quite amazing we had 2 highly unlikely scenarios where they failed thus highlighting the design inadequacies of MCAS.
That even got me letting out an audible wtf on reading...
Utterly unforgivable.
Another company destroyed by greed, pure and simple.
Exactly. I just can’t understand the mentality of forgetting about the long term and only worrying about that short term share price hike. In the end your shares are going to be worthless that way.
They have always been this way. Do some research into their history.
@@willo7734 It's the "if you're not stealing from the company, you're stealing from your family" life philosophy. They have cashed in. It's in their bank accounts. They don't care.
It's ironic Douglas was struggling and when Boeing bought them, instead of incorporating their culture into Douglas, they adopted most of the problems Douglas had.
You misspelt DEI
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This isn't just about Boeing, it's the culture of the whole western world, profits are N.1...
Same with the Mercedes manufacturer in Germany, if you asked a taxi driver 20 years ago how his MB E-class is performing, "oh, great, never head any issus", today if you ask one how's the car - "well, their.. good, their, you know, not bad", that's a long way from being great.
This is a much broader issue, absolutely no moral compas, greed, indolence and all of this has a name - collapse of civilizations.
When the people at the top start thinking and working only for themselves, whatever the cost, even if the world burns, that sentence above isn't an overstatement.
Fun fact: Vietnam - sentences billionaires to death if they do frauds. US: they get a bonus payout or if they're a bank a bailout.
The complete miss, is to ignore the actual cultural virus that has come up over the past 2 decades. - Greedy capitalism hasn't gone rampant for some reason in the west - Radical left wing culture has. DEI has taken over every single major corporation and bank - These banks enforce these policies onto everyone.
There isn't a soul anymore, it's just politics.
Well that explains how they kicked our asses during the Cold War
specifying western world shows you dont understand how these problems are exacerbated and much worse in countries with very little regulation and oversight like brazil, india or mexico
Come on, you have to be specific. You talk about woman who embezzeled public money. If I rob a bank of a few millions, would you call me a millionaire?
Those corporate creeps even get 30m bonuses upon retirement. Shameless
They are effectively mass murderers, getting paid big walking free
26:41 well he doesn't care if he swims in blood money after all, judging from his looks..
I was wondering if they can be personally sued.
@@ChicaG-vg7pj Can. If you have top lawyers working for you.
They call it a "Golden handshake".
Its disgusting they blamed pilots....
So true! This documentary is a testament to the fact that we are ruled by the POS "mafioso" systems of governance. It is probably the main reason why our POS species must not be allowed beyond low Earth orbit anytime soon...
And I would suggest they blamed them more because they were foreign.
Especially dead pilots. Men who can’t defend themselves
@@lisaadams6753 yah, the statement from them had some real racist undertones
American corporate culture is pretty disgusting. They made modifications and didnt tell the pilots intentionally so they could blame them in case of accident. Also straight racism even tho the pilot was trained in US. If you wanna get somewhere more reliably than boeing, just fly airbus or glider/ww1 biplane/big balloon
I was a Tooling QA Inspector at Boeing. My Mother, Father, and Brother all worked for Boeing. I retired after more than thirty years. After watching this I will be taking action against my last manager and the Boeing Company. Frederick Chavre of Maple Valley.
Thanks for your comment! I’d be interested to hear more about your personal experience working at Boeing. Could you share some insights?
Good for you, and good luck. FUCK THESE CORPORATIONS that don't give a Rats ass about the innocent people that they murder. 😂
Yeah I called complete BS. You don't leave a comment like that with a tie to something as close to a company like this with a comment and also have the TH-cam Creator comment directly to you and then not answer him. People do this all the time and they say they either know the victim or they put themselves into a story and this sounds no different. You just mentioned a random name that's it.
@@JJMics😂😂😂 the name he mentioned, is his own name. Which, with a quick google search, returns a number of results. All things point to his story checking out. The internet is a tool, used for more than just running your mouth. Try it out. Hope you have a good day, sir
I worked line mech for 40 years on Boeing jets. I truly liked the aircraft compared to Lockheed, Airbus, and DC. Boeing has always been far superior. But the two MCAS engineering design failure really piss me off.
Redundancy is the most important thing to aviation. The idea that they would allow these planes to have one 1 mcas sensor is absurd.
The Souix City crash unfortunately severed all 3 hydraulic systems as they were all close together. Remember that the plane was forced to fly in circles. While there was a crash, I believe that deaths were minimized by the skill of the pilots!
As a recent grad mechanical engineer, the boeing stuff has really made me appreciate that my company really puts safety first. Everyone who works in a factory knows the tedium of constant safety meetings and new rules- but boeing is a high profile example of what happens when those meetings don’t happen. Also proof that engineering companies need to be run by engineers, not business idiots.
Meetings dont create a safe environment. Actions and attitudes do.
@@ДушманКакдела the meetings establish the attitude, which leads to the actions. That’s the whole point
@orendamusic7577 meetings cannot do that, they only serve as an efficient mean to disseminate relevant information and experience. Each individual is responsible for his or her own action/inaction and safety mindset. You need to understand that safety begins and ends with the individual performing the function, you cannot "adminster" safety. Don't be fooled into thinking that a "safety culture" is actually translating into legitimate acts of safety conscious behavior, especially in production/dynamic environments.
@@ДушманКакдела you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol
@@orendamusic7577 ok engineering graduate
Bro risked his channel twice for truth....mad respect
haha, thank you!
And his life. We've seen what's happened to the whistleblowers.
What do you mean Peter? Who risk what? I am confused.
@@agentpr24 Explorist posted this video before and it got taken down by netflix so he modified it and added new bits and re uploaded it
@@jordanjayd he's not a whistleblower as he is not from inside the company
Why reupload? We had to take down the previous version due to some footage issues, but we used this as an opportunity to add a lot of new information on whistleblowers and many more shocking incidents. I hope you all like this version more. If you have already watched the previous version, it would mean a lot if you could rewatch the video. Over 50% of the content has been changed, and your support will help get this video rolling again! Thank you for being here and watching this video.
This just came across my feed. I’ve never seen the first one. But I know other channels that I watch regularly have had to do this for a video or two. Unaware of copyrights that were in there or something. They also made some improvements along with taking out whatever they were supposed to. Just started watching, but I’m impressed with the old footage and the narration so far. It seems pretty comprehensive.
And I like the fact that you dedicated to the lost souls from the max flights. Definitely watching the rest of the video.
Also, thank you for clarifying what that other guy’s comment (about risking twice) was talking about. 😂
Thank you for watching and I appreciate your understanding on the situation.
@@Explorist You know, "predatory capitalism" could be taken out of context. I know he means Enron and the others that went too far, but people seem to think all capitalism is bad. Just fyi.
i thought the video were taken down by the big boy
I am with the Boeing employees: I do not want to fly in a Boeing airplane anymore.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
Half of the aircraft flying in the sky right at the moment you are reading this are Boeing.
Boeing aircrafts (except the MAX variants (pay me I dont touch it)) are as safe as any other aircraft.
@@mendrikaJ True. Statistically you have a greater risk of dying falling out of bed than dying in an aircraft crash!!!😮
Boeing and it’s union will never get anyone in our company , they always book us Airbus and Embraer
Yep my dad worked for Boeing from 1982 to 2001. When recently he lost his job, he considered going back. Then he talked to his friends that still are at Boeing and said nope, nope, nope, nope. He avoid Boeing planes just like our whole family.
What pisses me off the most is that after the crashes, Boeing tried to blame the pilots, trying to exploit that they were from a developing nation's airline and insinuating that because they were from a developing nation they couldn't possibly be well-trained. This is in spite of the fact that Boeing knew that it was likely their own system (which they had deliberately concealed from the pilots) that had caused the crash.
What also makes me sad is that one of my grandfather's best friends worked almost his entire adult life for Boeing. He had been a B-17 pilot in WW2 (my grandfather was his tailgunner). He went to work for Boeing after the war and spent three decades there as an engineer. One of the best, highest character people I've ever had the honor to meet and very proud of the work he did at Boeing. I remember as a kid listening to him talk with so much excitement about airplanes, flying and aeronautics (the latter of which went right over my head) and he let me play with the model airplanes in his study. I am glad that he passed away before the MCAS and other safety scandals as those scandals and the subsequent cover-up would have broken his heart. In his day, Boeing was a company about people and producing world class airplanes...before it got taken by the soulless, corrupt entity that is the US corporate world.
Boeing is the perfect case study in what happens when managers with narcissistic personality disorder take charge. It happened at Link Group where I worked for, and I can see the paralells. This type of manager sees it as their job to show dominance over the staff, and to make money short term at any long term cost. Its important to note, its not just about money. They're also consciously trying to make it about cruelty. They see everything as a power play to be 'won,' and to them, 'winning' is about hurting you. Because they believe its what keeps them in a position of superiority that they feel they deserve. This is why Boeing can't recover. They will NEVER try to re-create the worker conditions that made Boeing great, and even if the wanted to, they couldn't, because it costs more money than doing what they're doing at the moment, and it would cost even more money to resolve the big messes they made, which wouldn't have happened in the first place if they'd just kept the good working environment they had before. Companies like this, put themselves into the position where trying to reverse the decline would just make them decline faster. So the managers 'act out' against their staff, and pretend everything is good, until the end.
My bestie was my AME(aircraft mechanic); Boeing went for profits instead of engineering, now their ships are falling out of the sky. Shame on corporate creeps. Jail them.
Never let a business man run an Engineering company. They don't think straight
Same thing is happening to Ford and GM, and even Toyota is now not immune. Part of the their problems start with the EPA.
I am not a fan of the EPA, but shortsighted and immoral management is not its fault.@@MarkSmith-js2pu
Don’t exaggerate pls..Only 2 fell out of sky..10.000 are flying and landing safely each day.
Ryan Air is flying 500 737 's since decades without a single accident...
@@barracuda7018 It's the NEW ones that are the problem. Today's Boeing is not the same Boeing that made 737s 25 years ago.
Boeing has had 982 accidents over the past decade, compared to Airbus's 264. This is a significant imbalance considering that both have similar market shares, although currently, according to FlightGlobal, Airbus has a 55% market share and Boeing a 45%.
Wow. Thx for posting the info. Where can I find more info on this. Pèrhaps dis you mean "incidents" instead of "accidents"?
@@carinmore4406 I must clarify that the information refers to accidents and incidents (surely most of them are incidents of greater or lesser importance), and refers only to those in which the NTSB participated in the investigations.
@@rumpelstiltkinn To be fair, the vast majority of these will likely be pilot error, maintenance issues or the like, and not aircraft-specific accidents. When it's the plane itself that caused the problem, these things tend to be big deals because they need to be rectified on all the other in-service jets worldwide.
@The_Ossifrage to be fairer, why would pilot error be a bigger issue for one company rather than another? No matter how you cut it, there is a systemic reason for why airbus is safer.
@rumpelstiltkinn Does the NTSB have global jurisdiction? If not, what's the ratio of Boeing vs Airbus flying where NTSB has jurisdiction?
To save a few billion will cost Boeing trillions and reputational damage that's immeasurable. To get back to what they were they have to go back to the old culture, but I don't think they can. The Corporate mindset is now set in stone, so they can swap out CEO for CEO as many times as they like, it won't change anything. CEOs are all cultivated on the same petri dish. Competence and talent has left the building never to return. The US government should be worried about Boeing's competence in the military industrial complex they are such a big part of.
Interesting to note that the senior executives retire with millions in severance pay. I wonder what kind of settlement the victim's families took home. I bet no eight figure settlement. It's also interesting to note the debacle over their space delivery system; and now, courtesy of Boeing, two astronauts "lost in space"!
Thank the Lord for the International Space Station.
The Current U.S. government is just as if not more corrupt as these corporations. Corruption flows from the top down. Don't expect anything to change.
it doesn't matter. The CEOs still made a lot of money and left. Whatever they did in the company, eventually helped them in the long run. So they did the right thing for themselves. Till we punish them for what they did, this culture will not change in Boeing or in any company in America.
No, it won't cost them trillions. So tired of people exaggerating figures with multiple zeros. It will cost them billions, but not even $100B, let alone a trillion.
@@kurtfrancis4621 Sure - they can't pay trillions, but let's assume the whistleblowers are correct (and how can over 100 whistlers who put their lives in danger not be at least largely correct?) about thousands of shoddy parts have being fitted and corners cut over the last decade or more. There are likely to be more catastrophic failures. So the "cost" will include more lives as well as $ billions.
If the next one includes many deaths in Europe or the US, it could put Boeing in a tailspin it cannot recover from. Passengers will avoid modern Boeing planes. So will airlines and aircrews . Boeing clung to its 1960s 737 platform too long, abandoning its new mid size plane project to make even more short-term money for executives and shareholders. So it can't start afresh with a new modern model. Also having failed in space, Boeing may be heading for bankruptcy.
When a company puts shareholders & profits ahead of safety, that company should cease to exist! God bless the murdered whistleblowers & all the passengers & crew who perished !🙏🏻❤️ 0:30
All capitalists do what Boeing is doing. The profit motive destroys everything it touches.
A good friend of mine is a 737 instructor, she had never heard of MCAS before the indonesia accident
The irony is they wanted to make more money, but in the end, they lost more. I cannot comprehend how an aircraft manufacturer company could ever compromise on quality and safety. That is the best recipe for your downfall, Boeing.
It was obvious to me when Boeing bought MD that there was going to be some serious problems. This merger should NEVER have been allowed for a variety of reasons. Physically and financially.
The Douglas - McDonnell merger was already problematic to begin with.
@@android584 nothing compared to what it was obvious Boeing was trying to do. M & D merger made perfect sense.
It's interesting that the McDon. Douglas brand name hasn't been damaged nearly as much as Boeing...I wouldn't be surprised if the MD brand was resurrected at some point.
@@flipnotrab How so? I'm honestly curious.
"McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money."
For better or worse, I'm convinced the US government would never let Boeing go under, and would bail them out if it looked likely.
If they do it for banks and car companies I have no doubt they are already prepping for the bailout
Obviously. After all, neo liberalism is for 3rd world countries and fairy tales
Boeing is full of people and relatives of people who have been promised a cushy job in return for dirty and/or secret political favors. If Boeing goes down all those people have to be given new compensation and that's hard to keep quiet.
They'll only purge the company if say, Apaches or B-52s began coming apart midair
when a company is as important to the military as boeing is, would that be such a bad thing? boeing isnt just important for the defense of the US, but most countries in the world
That Muilenberg got a $62M severance parachute says everything you need to know about Boeing and its Board.
The 747 was the pinnacle of Boeing.
It’s very dramatically, catastrophically, and suddenly came to an end.
How quickly we forget! Bare wires in 747 fuel tanks! Blowing up!
they got greedy. cut corners to line the shareholders pockets instead of focusing on quality and safety
Obviously
and even benefitted from it
Nonsense. They were going after their own bonus
I watched the video too. Lol jk but seriously this shit is beyond messed up.
Go greedy, fail fastly.
The level of corporate greed is absolutely astounding! Imagine just how much better off they'd be, had they just done the right thing all along? Baffles me, the level of incompetency and insane greed... Like what in the actual?! They should be dismantled entirely, and rebuilt from the ground up. This is WAY beyond just trying to make changes at this point. That much is obvious.
It's greed mainly
Are you talking about Boeing or the US Government?
@@letsreasonthisout2898 Yes... lol
Two whistleblowers are dead and nothing is being done about it?? Some people are blindfolded by money 😂😂
I think these were actual suicides. The blame, however, should be thrown at Boeing as the amount of pressure (financially and legally) they put on these people was immense.
@@controlfreak1963 no they were Murdered. the whistleblowers had every thing to live for
@@controlfreak1963 Let me guess. You headed up the Jeffrey Epstein death investigation. Didn't you? Don't change that username. It's perfect.
@@controlfreak1963 Totally suicide and not assassinations by Boeing
@@controlfreak1963 Because this is not Russia. Epstein was also suicide.
This is not just a Boeing issue. This is a aviation cultural issue. I’ve been in the military aviation industry my entire 38 years. The same thing with Boeing’s moving train to push aircraft out is the same culture the government aviation community is experiencing. Both commercial and military has traded quality for quantity. If anyone wants to truly see a change, then have an external training and quality system. If any one of those areas are controlled by the same company, or an organization, then cover-ups and silencing are the tools of management/leadership. You cannot have quality training or product if the control of it is under the lines of leadership. Things get covered and buried to easily. Keep tuned to aviation, if this culture don’t change more accidents/mishaps will continue at an alarming expeditionary rate than ever seen than in our aviation records past.
Story about MCAS and why it was even needed is tied to a general designing flaw and has to do with a designating path for the 737 MAX. Essentially what they did was to stick an oversized and heavier engine on a smaller body airplane essentially disturbing weight distribution and moving the center of gravity. In order to compete with Airbus new and more fuel efficient models, it was much cheaper for Boeing to reuse existing design than to develop a new airplane, resulting in this frankenplane. This airplane line should had never been approved let alone produced and now passengers all around the world are risking their lives boarding these airplanes.
Yes I believe so
I think of dead whistleblowers when I hear the name Boeing
Has the note that John left behind in his car ever been seen? I heard initially the police did not release it. Even after request from the family.
I'm struggling to comprehend how angry this has made me, as a lover of all things Aviation. Boeing, a once mighty and well regarded company, is now on the road to its death because of greed. I am mortified by this... my thoughts and feelings go out to the victims of this tragedy, and I hope that Boeing either learns from this, or simply closes its doors. Utterly disgusting behaviour by Boeing... shame on them.
I've worked at Boeing for 10 years now. You have no idea how many times moving the line was prioritized over building the actual plane. So many times I had to install parts on the flight line after the plane rolled out of the factory as done.
Traveled work has always been problematic…it’s part of the business. Robust escape detection and prompt defect correction is essential for safety AND schedule.
Even at Toyota and their "Toyota Production System" (TPS) which auto manufacturers were implementing to build the HIGHEST quality products, seems nowadays a distant memory for the sake of an "improved" bottom line. Toyota's reliability has NEVER been LOWER than it is now!
So, it was you! You didn’t bolt down that exit plug and it fell out…And now you blame management…?
They tried to blame the pilots that they killed. Absolute moral cowardice. These executives will still make astronomical amounts of money even as the company falters. That’s apparently what happens when you get to that corporate level. Once you get into that fraternity you get paid millions no matter what happens and face almost zero consequences via diffused responsibility
I’ve been with Boeing for 34 years. I’ve worked on the military side of the former McDonnell Douglas Company. We’ve been transformed by the GE culture brought by Harry Stonecipher. I met Harry a few times and hated him. One time, we were at our St Louis office which is at the Lambert Airport. An F-18 took off, and we waited for the noise to go away. Harry said, “Do you know what that sound is?” Someone said, “Freedom”. Harry said, “No. It’s the sound of money”. I thought, “This guy is an asshole”. Which he was and was the start of our transformation of great technology and products to being run by Venture Capitalists. Now, everything is broken down. I look forward to retiring.
He clearly said “how many Boeing employees have been fired for retaliating against whistleblowers?” Not “how many Boeing employees are retaliated against” as the narrator suggests
Ya I heard that as well.
Yer I caught that
I felt gaslighted as they were playing the quote. I was questioning the context, questioning my own judgement until I said wait a minute that’s not what is happening here. The narrator sounded so confident that it magnified my temporary lapse in judgement
Thank you for pointing this out. I am an editor of this video😄 we will try to avoid such mistakes in future. Thank you for watching our videos🤗
@@pankajmram are you going to fix the mistake? We need less misinformation on the internet; as little as possible.
Airline Pilot watching, what an absolutely amazing video! I am always stunned by boeing blaming the pilots, just the “easy way out” for them! And was happy to hear you defend us! Thanks!
Airline pilot watching and disagree entirely. cheers
So poor quality has cost Boeing 100 billion dollars, and they still have learnt nothing.
Bro , their company should be put on hold even before the first accident , there should be a world aviation regulation where the whistle blowers would save lives and save their company without risking their lives and jobs
I am an aspiring Aviation Mechanic. The first time Boeing came to my school to pitch to us the idea of becoming a Boeing employee, I sat out alone with no one else with me. When asked by the professors why I did that, I told them that until they fix their damn planes, I won’t be working for them.
A few months later, my professors encouraged me to listen to them and I reluctantly agreed. Throughout their pitch, they made no statements on work culture, work safety, or anything related to being a good employer. What they did do was shell out benefits like nobody’s business. Free school to get into a Business degree, major airline flight benefits, discounted prices to get your pilot’s license, you get the picture.
All of this happened prior to the Alaskan Airlines Door Plug incident. I will never work for Boeing, and the only way I would is is if I see major changes in philosophy and business practice. Both of those are very unlikely to occur.
The same happened to BP when they were deep drilling on a rig in the Gulf of Mexico. Experienced workers were told to work faster and many protocols had to be skipped, because the shareholders wanted to see faster returns. That faulty order resulted in an explosion that killed 11 on the platform and an oil spill that cost billions to BP to clean it. That is what happens when returns are priorities instead of safe practices. Shareholders ignore safe practices, their goal is faster and bigger returns despite all the dire consequences. I read that the ethos of Boeing totally changed with the merger of Mc Donnell Douglas and instead of safe practices and excellent work the priority became lucre.
I’ve been in manufacturing since 1984, in the 2000s the focus of industry went from customers are the most important to the shareholders. It changed everything. Who cares about rich shareholders? They build nothing. Do you think it’s a coincidence that 401k was pushed over a pension?? They want you to care about stock price. Stock market is just legalized gambling. Get your money out now. Everything is about to change
got a conspiracy theorist here
once you put a bean counter in charge, quality control goes straight out of the window.
Boeing's problems are completely of their own making , and could have been avoided .
In 1982 President Reagan changed the regulations to allow stock buybacks. As a result Boeing executives spent more than $41 billion for share buybacks instead of investing in manufacturing capabilities and product development. That was why executives backed the company into a corner and unable to compete with Airbus and so they made a shortcut with the 737 Max aircraft.
No one in their right mind would fly on any Boeing aircraft when there are Airbus alternatives as one can determine by using the Kayak website to select flights.
As an engineer living in Seattle area, my colleagues and I have known (for decades) that Boeing was were the "C" average engineers go and see their careers die. I had a resume from a former Boeing engineer that spent most of his career working on door hinges. I have 3 former engineers living on my block and they all hated their lives at Boeing. One of them spent his last 5 career years working for SpaceX and feels like he actually accomplished something even if he had to work 12 hour days.
Yeah okay dude, stop getting off by negging without name dropping the other companies that are undoubtedly not engineering or aerospace companies 😂
@@Snarf_Le_Wombat That was almost a sentence. Good job!
@@controlfreak1963 you figured it out, good job desk jockey!
@@Snarf_Le_Wombat Does your mother know you're up this late?
@@controlfreak1963 did your dad come back yet from getting cigarettes at the gas station?
I wish you would've added The Boeing Tanker Case to your video as well. Boeing doesn't have a part of the company that hasn't been corrupted by corporate greed. I see this corporate greed mentality in all aspects of our life today. Looking at the housing problem, prisons in the US, food industry, oil and gas. I see this as the beginning of the downfall of the US by killing the golden goose.
This change in "corporate culture" is exactly why prices stayed up after covid. Our government on both sides is complicit as well. They are bought and paid for by special interests.
the federal government is the reason prices are so bad, do you not know how inflation works? the current administration promised a war on oil and its exactly what we got. price of oil goes up, so does everything else.
this is what happens when you vote for idiots that cancel existing contracts, refuse to renew or open new contracts for drilling, transporting and refining oil
They got bailouted and did stock buybacks for a decade plus while spinning off companies for short term payoffs. Boeing needs to be liquidated.
I wouldn't trust a bicycle that came out of the Boeing factory...
Boeing board of directors have been caught NOT flying Boeing. Go down with the ship, captain.
Why nobody in Boeing management has not been jailed? Why the bad quality planes are still allowed to fly?
Same thing everytime.
Money.
The government protects the big corpos these days. "Too big to fail"
Well. They fly like others bad airplames. From Airbus.
Come on! Dont be stupid.
Because they paid a pathetic plea deal fine.
@@antoniosoares29031.6 million flying miles with Airbus, I’ve never had a issue, I will not get on a boeing
“If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going”!
(Used to be the other way around, sadly)
"If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going (to lose my life)"
23:23 It makes me want to cry seeing that Captain's face. You know he loved what he did, had logged many thousands of incident-free hours, and now he's gone..because these imbeciles at Boeing decided to "keep MCAS quiet."
Thank you!
Boeing cheated me out of intellectual property in 1994. It didn't work because they didn't do it right. Before that they were so impressed with my invention they requested I be assigned to make the 777 fuselage turning fixture. 1600 planes were delivered from my fixture over 30 years with no mass fatality accident to this day. In 2009 I started posting comments on aviation videos about the intellectual property theft. Around 2010 they built a secret robot assembly plant to make the planes without my fixture. In 2012 they said, when it was revealed, it was to increase productivity, and reduce cost. It did neither. In 2016 they dismantled my fixture. Later that year they dismantled the robot assembly plant. I don't know what they use now but they made 200 777s without my fixture, and made some longer 777X for delivery in 2019. Failure after failure after failure pushed back delivery again, and again now to 2025. In march I filed a report on this with the FAA. 2 days later 3 senior members of the Boeing board of directors announced their intention to resign by the end of the year. A few months later Boeing pleaded guilty, and accepted an over $200,000,000 fine in a 737 case.
Porra...
The best part is that they would have been better financially if quality remained their focus.
I am an engineer with 40 years experience working on high reliability systems. The engineering, business and leadership failures that lead to the MCAS debacle were incomprehensibly bad. Having said that, the re-engineered MCAS should be OK moving forward.
Last night I flew on a 737-max for the first time. It was a beautiful plane with nicely enhanced interior features. Too bad Boeing management didn't do MCAS the right way back in 2012(or so) when they had a chance 😢.
But what about all the other quality control issues aside from MCAS, and the whole corporate mentality to maximise profits of safety? MCAS might now be fixed, but I still wouldn't want to travel in a Boeing. I'm surprised, as an engineer, you're supporting a company with priorities like this.
Yes, I’m not so concerned about MCAS as I am all the other issues with quality. I will never fly on another Boeing and have changed two trips. I Will never again fly on a Boeing.
@@postersm7141 Yep. Exactly. I'm in the midst of organising a holiday, and will be doing everything I can to make sure the flights I take aren't on Boeings. Being in Europe that should be relatively straight forward as I think the airlines over here tend to use Airbus planes.
MCAS was just programmatically limited, not re-engineered. A proper solution would be to have triple-redundant sensors one of which could fail and the other two vote the odd one out. All competing planes have between 3 and 6 active AoA vanes, all Boeings have 2 with only 1 active at any given time - even the new Boeings like 787. Thankfully the newer planes have no need for the suicide mode. It's just a company of bean counters. Base platform and philosophy is from the 60's, they just wrap it in composite instead of aluminum and attach bigger engines now to stay competitive.
MCAS is not the real issue. The real issue is the culture of executives. Boeing rose due to the employees turning wrenches having input to engineering.
Also the engineering industry has an ever increasing level of failures.
In the days of SR-71 engineers actually had the technical engineering skills in their brains now engineers rely on software that is prone to glitches, errors, interpretations, argument...etc....
I'll never understand how people fall for 'running it like a business' when all that means is sucking all the life out of the company and destroying the product for a few extra bucks in the short term.
Yes, the union also helped suck money away too
@@clarenceghammjr1326unions are necessary for collective bargaining. The American worker had a much better life when there were lots of unions. Companies were better run too.
As long ad those criminals from FAA and Boeing will not do therir time behind bars - justice will not be served.
RIP for victims 😢
Great documentary. Well made, well executed, well done all around 👏👏👏
I worked for this company for over a decade, in finance. After a couple of days working there, I had dinner with some colleagues of my previous employer. They asked me how it was, working for Boeing. My answer: if they build their planes like they keep their financial records, just think twice before flying with them. Obviously I was joking, as I would never imagine what was coming.
Boeing didn't just throw those pilots under the bus they threw them under an Airbus . They better get their act together sharpish, or this could become a case of Boeing Boeing Gone 💥
Will never happen, US government will never let that happen
Netflix quality documentary, videos are excellent. Keep up good work. Subscribed !
wow, that's a big compliment. thank you :)
People need to understand that aviation is not a business like others. Each time you try to cut costs (in the short run) , others will pay - and one day, you will, too.
"If it's Boeing, I'm NOT going."
Boeing executives seem to forget that customer experience, safety and satisfaction determine the success and longevity of their business. Shame on these greedy people.
They’re false advertising , for one thing. When they hit the ground they don’t go “Boeing”, they just crumple and burn.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into creating this comprehensive documentary. I’m amazed we get to enjoy it for free. Thank you 🙏
Thank you so much for your kind words!
This is what happens when you focus on stock price rather than your core business.
Something darker is going on. It’s almost as if top brass at Boeing dont want the company to perform well, nor do they seem to care what anyone thinks about their methods. Just odd…
That could be really scary given they make almost all US military planes.
Ceo pay scales are ridiculously way out of line ! Those millions should be put back into the employees and the upgrading and maintenance of manufacturing!! equipment!!!
Thank you. Added some new information. Prior to this drama I have never ever checked whether it is a Boeing 737 MAX or not. Now it‘s „If it‘s a Boeing I‘m not goeing“ whenever possible. I‘m willing to pay a higher price or delay my flight. Only a few do this but I will until the curtain falls.
I go only Airbus and Embraer
A few. Actually no. I stopped flying Ryanair completely since they have lots of 737 Max.
Bro ur so underrated! These vids are good!
thank you my friend! truly appreciate your support here.
They hire more business personnel than engineers.
The company was engineering company
When based in Seattle it was an engineering excellence company, if you worked at Boeing you walked 10ft tall and proud.
We have a saying in the trades industry, " Leave the welding to the welders and the accounts to the accountants because if you mix it, you F%&K it up.
The attitude of Boeing has a racist underline. CEO was basically saying; 'They are brown, poor and from a foreign nation, its their fault the plane went down!'
I mean theyre not wrong
@@ДушманКакделаTheir practice and "standards" speak for themselves.
What an absolute Stunner! Amazing video . If only Boeing heard when whistleblowers pointed the errors, maybe those lives could have been saved.
After being taken down, re-uploading video of this quality and information clearly shows your dedication! You guys have proved that quote " comeback is always greater than the setback". Great job Team Explorist .
Also , condolences to the families of victims who lost their lives in that fatal accidents😢!!
Thank you!
When I fly, I use Frontier Airlines. Just about unbeatable prices and they don't use 737s.! My daughter went to France with her class in June, and just happen be on an A330 round trip. I was glad!
Same, our company never books anything but Airbus and Embraer
I don’t fly Boeing anymore.
"Safety is a core value of Boeing" (yeah behind profits and dividends) sad part is is that these were perfectly good aircraft that crashed because of 1's and 0's
36:22 I did not only lost my daughter I lost my past, my today, my future uff!! a mother who lost her daughter, those words really make a knot on your throat.😔
Boeing taught me that big companies can cause as many fatalities as they please, with no consequences.
you wish
They do not have to build airplanes. They can let everybody go, shut the place down and go bankrupt.
11:40 charging people to know the truth is borderline criminal
A very well produced documentary . It was insightful and and thought provoking. Looking forward to future documentaries.
glad you liked it, thank you!
An excellent documentary and very well done 👏👏
thank you!
What a fantastic documentary. Thank you putting it together. Earned a subscriber.
This is an excellenr piece of work & documentary. Corporate greed, indifference to the value of human life, increasing corporate capture of regulatory bodies and the legalised bribery of polticians will mean this is indeed only the beginning.
Thank you :)
I've wondered how Airbus's rise has been so meteoric, I think Boeing's decline contributed.
The corporate raiders must be happy with the outcome, given the amount of money they pocketed from Boeing.
The total disregard for human safety Boeing displayed in this entire situation is just devastating. I'm not sure how the leadership hasn't faced criminal charges!
Welcome to America!
Plea deal fine.
This sgould be criminal for someone like the ceo of Boeing to neglect the hearing and words/safety procedures and trainings of its employees. This is absolutely ridiculous
Ironic that it was raining the day that the Max 8 was launched... Perhaps heaven was crying over the lives that would be lost 😢 Here is an idea for a Boeing ad:
"Passengers are DYING to fly with us and our employees have a KILLER retirement program".✈️☠️