The Kazinti will only be seen in an animated format. The contract between Larry Niven and Gene Roddenberry states that. As long as it's a cartoon, Star Trek can have Kazinti in it. The story is that Roddenberry asked Niven if he could use the race from his novels in the Star Trek Animated show. Then Niven sent Gene a like 30 page contract that let him and the Star Trek IP use the Kazinti race as much as they like but only in a animated format. Remember the Kazinti are an IP own buy Niven.
I'm not an artist but I imagine/hypothesize that the Kazinti being clothed makes them much less creepy or uncanny valley-ish compared to the Cats travesty
The Nasat have also been shown in lower decks one of them was a Bouncer for a starfleet party Also the fansite Star Trek Theurgy has an indepth page on the Kzinti
One of my favourite scenes from the S.C.E. books is when the crew of the USS da Vinci is at a paintball game and Cmdr. Sonya Gomez accidentally splashes her commanding officer (who wasn't in the game). To which, Capt. Gold says, "I'm going to have to tell Picard it finally happened"
@@ellemueller If you think Sonya Gomez and Picard, you have to remember the scene in "Q Who" when she spills hot chocolate all over the captain. So what "finally happened" was that she splashed her new CO with something. In the SCE books, Gold and Picard are Academy buddies, with Gold being a year or two ahead of Picard, so presumably Picard would have "warned" Gold about his Chief Engineer's "tendency" to splash superior officers. When she comes aboard the USS da Vinci in the first book, Cmdr. Kieran Duffy (also previously posted on the Enterprise) welcomes her with "Hey, hot Chocolate!"
@@ThiagoMacieira oMG, yes, thanks so much for helping me connect the dots; I forgot that was her name and I can only half remember what I read in the book. That was very amusing!
To this list I would add the Slavers from"The Slaver Weapon", the cloud creature from "One of Our Planets is Missing," the Vendorians from "The Survivor", the insectoid race (and their ship) from "Beyond the Farthest Star," the Phylosians from "The Infinite Vulcan," and the Skorr from "The Jihad."
I like all the new shows, but one thing that bothers is that they are always introducing new races when they could have re-used a similar race from a previous series. In particular, I always thought they should have made Saru an Edosian. Since Discovery is a prequel, it would have been a good chance for an origin story for the Edosians.
C’mon… we can’t all pretend like we don’t know exactly why they avoid legacy races. Look at what happened when they updated the Klingons and in my opinion made them better. You’ll HAVE to update any alien to modern standards and the fans just hate ANY changes. Personally I like it because as Morty said “One of those Star Trek guys with the crap on the forehead…” because that’s all 90% of them were. Humans with weird foreheads and the occasional odd skin color. We need more ALIEN aliens and until the fandom can chill out a little they’ll probably keep avoiding legacy races.
@@DanteYewToob "Look at what happened when they updated the Klingons and in my opinion made them better. " Which update are you speaking of? TMP, TNG, or Discovery?
Agree with your top three. And love that you put the triped at #3. I'd add that _SNW_ should give us a _Sehlat_ cub/kitten. Yes, we had the wild one in "The Forge," but we need to see a good bearcat getting pets.
Weirder still, the upper parts just levitate, while only the lower segment conceals extra limbs. I always thought the overall appearance was cool, but the sectional separation (especially the levitating limbless torso) never worked for me - even when it first aired ( I was ten).
@@megalictis9002 I agree with you. I thought the head should roll or have vine limbs come out the neck so it could walk, and couldn't understand how they floated like that in a normal gravity environment, and I was 4. All of the three Pandronian bodily segments should have had those strange vine-like limb-equivalents come out of their three body segments. Obviously the little vine limbs would clasp the other vine limbs to reconnect the three bodily segments. Seems logical.
The ones that I would really like to see live are the Phylosians and then he Vendorians. We haven't seen any "plant people" in live Trek yet, but we know they exist in canon. And since the Vulcans and Romulans have reunified, it makes sense for the Vendorians to be present in the same era as Discovery. Side note... Why not the Caitians? We arguably got one, very briefly, in ST V.
Yes, although it's not explicitly stated in any way, the "cat lady stripper" dancing on the table that attacks Kirk in Star Trek 5 was definitely a Caitian like Lt. M'Ress from the animated series.
I'd love to see the Caitians and the Edosians in live action / CGI. Caitians were seen in one of the Star Trek movies in the Federation Council scene, and shown in one magazine article (in Starlog?) so they had done the whole costume. Lt. Arex (an Edosian) was done in CGI for either New voyages Phase II or Star Trek Continues (both fan series). But several other aliens could be cool. There was a tripod silent mysterious alien species we saw only once in an Enterprise episode, very cool. And in 70's or 80/s Trek novels, a Lutran (otter-like) officer appeared at least in two novels, maybe others.
Sord's species reminds me of what an iguana would look like as a humanoid. It makes me wonder why we haven't seen any more reptilian humanoids in Star Trek other than the Xinidi and the Gorn. CGI has come along way since the 90's and it's possible to add more diverse species to the Star Trek universe.
They had an Edosian on the bridge at Chekov's station in an episode of Star Trek: New Voyages here on TH-cam. The CGI rendering of him was very good, too.
The Lactran look like extremely huge tardigrades. They can withstand extreme conditions, including the radiation and vacuum of space. That would make them awesome "real" characters!
#5 here makes me want a similar list of species from the novels--preferably including the Pahkwa-thanth. Also, I'd be fine with no Kzinti in live-action Star Trek *IF* we started getting more Caitians in live-action.
Always dissappointed that Larry Niven didn't include a Pierson's Puppeteer along with Kzinti in his TAS episode. Definitely can't be portrayed by a "Guy in a Suit" live so it was a natural for animation.
That episode "The Soft Weapon" wasn't written specifically for ST. It was a pretty much straightforward adaptation of Niven's short story "The Slaver Weapon". Spock took the place of the Puppeteer character (both were vegetarians, so the carnivorous Kzinti wouldn't bother trying to deal with them). That was the only change of any significance between the two versions.
I agree a proper Kzinti (from Wiki) "Kzinti are often described as "anthropomorphic tigers," but there are significant and visible differences. Kzinti are larger than humans, standing around 8 feet (2.4 m) tall and weighing around 500 pounds (230 kg). These tiger-sized bipeds have large membranous ears, a barrel-chested torso with a flexible spine, and large fangs and claws. One human gave an apt description of Kzin as "eight feet of death." " Would make my decade!
The Caitians appeared in Star Trek the Voyage Home and possibly in The Final Frontier. They were also, supposedly in Star Trek XI but unless they were human-caitian hybrids they weren't.
11:47 in 1968 a very popular book came out (best seller) called chariots of the gods which addresses the topic of aliens meeting native civilisations. In 1970 it was adapted in a documentary. The writers must have been cought in the trend back then. (This "trend" was brought back in 2009 with the ancient aliens series on history channel in the US and Canada)
"Chariots of the Gods" influenced a lot of 70's a post-70's scifi, most notably the original "Battlestar Galactica" and later the "Stargate" movie and then the series, especially "SG-1" and "Atlantis" ("Universe" tried to get away from that and explore new territory, although the ship itself was built by "Ancient Aliens"!!
As much as I love David Gerrold, and the Star Trek animated series, since it first aired, I've thought they could've (should have,) done a better job with the appearance and physical characteristics of the "colony creatures", the Pandronian's. I'd love to see the concept revisited with a new race. (The Shlossers maybe?) As always, thank you all so very much for the videos! "Shlossers" or "Schlossers" was the original name given to the race by David Gerrold.
We need Caitian in live action. Instead of typical cute cat girl/boy or grumpy cat in a coat, why not both? That being said, if they make Star Trek Legacy, I wouldn't mind having Live Aciton Lower decks in a Neo-Miranda, and have future-Lt Taylor.
@@GSBarlev Sure but I would also love to see a whole ship of them, since they are part of the Federation. Also a crew member could be fun, since it workes in 2 animated series I would like to see a more serious aproach with them too.
@@GSBarlev Into Darkness are cat girls at best, not Caitians. And Voyage Home is a Admiral in the background. At least recurring Caitians, but to do that, sometimes being crew member is better.
@@Jestersage I never said they were *good* portrayals of Caitians, but Memory Alpha confirms that "the twins" were Caitians. Anyway, I'm hoping that in a year or two Ensign Uhura will get promoted to Lieutenant and get a chance to mentor a certain Catian cadet.
i can understand why some of these might still be incredibly hard to do make, but i think its a really fun idea to do some more of them in lower decks! we already had some in lower decks so i hope they come to modern trek atleast in lower decks
As someone whose favorite Trek iteration is TNG and considers everything else in the franchise "Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money," I'm still very fond of TOS's brief Saturday morning resurrection. Speaking of which, I watched your entire video waiting for M'Ress to appear - *and I cannot belive you left her out,* in spite of discussing various feline aliens at the very end. Also, despite a very brief reference to Larry Niven, you neglected to mention (maybe you weren't aware) he was a prolific sci-fi author who created the Kzin and featured them in a series of sci-fi stories, including several "Man-Kzin War" novels. (I always thought it was very cool to see them show up in a completely different franchise.)
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RE: Edosians. I was just watching Lower Decks today and was wondering why that one alien dude looked familiar. Then I saw the thumbnail for this video! Thanks for helping me clear that up lol
It is interesting to note that in the planned 5th season of Star Trek Enterprise, they were going to have a Kzinti episode or series of them as a big bad for that season. Author Jimmy Diggs, according to Memory Alpha, wrote the premise and there was even a model of how thy might look. On another note, yet similar, no mention of M'ress? I know you mentioned Caitains (sp?), but she was another iconic for the animated series voiced by Majel Barrett and according to rumors, Gene actually asked her to reprise the role for the first movie to which she said no. Anyway, when I think of the animated series, Arex and M'ress are the two aliens that stood out the most (beyond seeing an Andorian in a Star Fleet uniform that left me wishing for one on any show since) and the avian species the Skorr. Thank you for the video and sharing your thoughts.
Maybe some similarity in approach to rendering the Kzinti could be applied to the Caitians, too? A twofer! And, wasn't there a cat species in that same episode with the Skorr and Sord and the bug and the girl with the eyebrows? Three on a match- hat trick! Or cat trick...
They didn't build a CGI model of the Kzinti themselves, it was a CGI prototype for what one of their ships would look like. And there's nothing I can find online or have read about Majel Barrett Roddenberry ever being asked by anyone to reprise M'Ress for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. She was going to play her best know role of Nurse, now Doctor Christine Chapel.
Kzinti on the Niven's Known Universe are war beast, and cool warriors, pretty bidimensional in their basic motivations, but some individuals are truly remarkable
From the original Star Trek series, there was a race called the Horta. They were quite smart and quite the miners. I think at least one appeared in a Star Trek novel. I don't think they'd even be that hard to animate in a live action (because they pretty much were already), but it was crude special effects and models.
Let's be honest. This lists exists so that Sean could talk about the Kzinti again. 🤣 Personally, I would like to see some of Star Trek's avian species brought into live action. Aurelians, Areore (or as Peanut Hamper referred to them, "Poor man's Aurelians). Hell, dig up a Xindi Avian (even if the Xindi arc was garbage, but hey, the Reptilians made a comeback in Prodigy).
I would love to see Jimmy Diggs get to do his Kzinti episode or movie. P8 Blue and the Nasat were amazing in the SCE books, I would love to see her make a live action appearance as well as Arex. The Edosians and Caitians became such a fixture in my mind as a kid watching the Animated Series growing up in the 80s.
Honestly Strange new worlds should have given Kirk his senior staff except Spock on the Faragut make the Faragut the same class as the TAS Bonaventure and make Mress and Eriks as ensigns in that ship along side Pike's Enterprise. Make the show interesting by alternating between crews.
The biggest problem with including these in SNW is that the Enterprise in TAS encountered these after Pike's day. Hopefully we could see these in the Starfleet Academy show (if we get one.)
Here's one more vote for the Vendorians, especially with the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire. One particular 'what-if?' idea I had was, "what if the Vendorians were planning to take over the Empire, then Shinzon's rise to power killed that plan?" Just a thought.
The Megan who looks like a fawn or satyr is an *awesome* chance for a throwback to TOS toga-wearing false gods, *and* the TOS obsession with silly Pan flute & lyre musical styles. That could be a hilarious Lower Decks scene.
I've been wondering as the Horta have been used on Lower Decks, it's about time for them to make a return. They were used in TOS, so they NEED to return!
After Anton Yelchin died I thought if they make another Kelvin movie they should replace Chekov with Lieutenant Arex. Alas I don't think another Kelvin timeline movie will happen.
#10, of course, should be the Caitians (although I would have put them much higher). With TWO regular Caitian characters is animated Treks (M'Ress in TAS and T'Ana in LD), they are due a lot bigger appearance than that one who showed up in STIV and ST: Into Darkness.
I want cadet M'Ress to appear in Season 3 of SNW, but done not in the style of other Caitians seen in live-action, but like the Caitian child in Prodigy transposed into the SNW art style
For me, we've gotta see the Pahkwa-thanh. Give us Dr Shenti Yisec Eres Ree! I'd love to see him show up in any potential "Legacy" series, even as a cameo.
I want to see M'ress and other Kaitians! And although they weren't in the animated series (?) I would love to see the Horta. There was one in at least one novel and it was great!
For practical filming and canon Gorkon's daughter Azetbur was absolutely right when she said The Federation is no more than a homo-sapiens only club. With star ships being difficult & time consuming to make it's logical for a multi-species crew to share similar requirements such as environmental, dietary, gravity, physical size etc. Therefore it's not unreasonable to believe there's also ships crewed by Aquatics, Aquans & Antedians with maybe a first officer on exchange from Cetacean ops and vice-versa. Of course any reason to teleport a whale again would make engineering happy and fans ecstatic 🖖
Might Sord have been a Saurian? They have appeared in live action: ST:Discovery and the crew member Linus. Granted, Saurians do not have a crest, but maybe that is a subspecies characteristic.
I can say that my father saw TAS as a teenager and all the Star Trek "nerds" at the time thought he must be a Saurian because of their familiarity with "SAURian Brandy" as a concept, and "dinoSAURs" as well, since it was obvious Sord wasn't a Gorn. Because of this, I also grew up thinking Sord is a Saurian, because my dad said so.
In Larry Niven's known universe, Kzinti females could not talk. Except for the ones found on the map of kzin on Ring World. They also blended into the Fauna of their home world extremely well. The Star Trek animation brought up the Slavers. Exploring that would be awesome.
Actually when Larry Niven wrote the Slave Weapon for the animated series, he wound up using the Kzinti because he didn't have the time to come up with something else. Also, as I understand it, a lot of facets of the Kzinti were the result of them trying to genetically engineer themselves to fit the 'warrior ideal' better, which could be interesting both in including them in a look at genetic engineering in star trek, plus a more interesting look at how they might respond to something shifting what they see as the 'warrior ideal' they want to embody.
The slavers... or the Thrints as named in the original Known Space series created by Larry Niven... would indeed be very interesting foes for a Star Trek show. Especially in light of the fact that they were powerful telepaths capable of the simultaneous mental control of large numbers of non-Thrints. Even if, as in the novel World of Ptaavs, you only had the single time-displaced survivor of the galactic war that wiped out all intelligent life in the galaxy one to two billion years ago. They'd be scarier than the Borg.
@@GSBarlev To me, it doesn't count. Give me a Caitian that's identified as such, actually looks feline (not like some sort of shaggy bat), is on screen for more than ten seconds and has a speaking role. In other words, a real character. Then we can say Caitians have made it into live action.
Doctor Who brought some personable live action feline sapiens to life in a number of episodes. One which springs to mind was a character called Thomas Kincade Brannigan, played by Ardal O'Hanlon (aka Father Dougal McGuire from Father Ted).
While I agree about the Kzinti, there is the little matter of Larry Niven's copyright and the fact he said the Kzinti would not appear on TNG when he was asked. I don't know if he has changed his mind.
The Kzinti... is legal. The only reason they allowed they were allowed to be mentioned on Picard is that Paramount owes the TV/Film rights to ALL of Niven's Ringworld and Known Space stuff and that license agreement includes bringing them back to Trek. (Yet in the ten years since the deal was signed Paramount has yet to produce said Ringworld movie. Almost like they bought it just to make DVD and streaming releases of Star Trek The Animated Series possible.)
since M'Ress and Arex got into the 24th century at some point through time shenanigans, we might be able to once see them if they make that Legends Show with Mackenzie! (IF HE GETS IN THERE???)
I know that the last Black Panther movie did a whole thing with Ku’kul’kan and the Mayans. So, if they brought back the Trek version, especially in live-action, people would probably immediately start asking why they’re so dramatically different. However, I’d love to see them bring back that tall shapeshifting alien they had in one episode (I forget what it’s called but it was also in an early LDS episode too). If there’s one alien I’d love to see them bring back and update, it’s the Horta. I know it wasn’t in the animated series but it did get brought back in some comics, as one was in Starfleet and serving on the TOS movie Enterprise. Maybe they could bring them back in a future live-action show, like Starfleet Academy.
According to the podcast, they will do an Ups and Downs for all of the Very Short Treks at once, but the current feeling on them is not very positive, and I agree.
The live action One Piece adaptation did exactly this with the character Captain Buggy. It looked great and would completely work in Star Trek. Although it would be a bit comical to have this species in the current series.
You completely forgot to mention and include the Caitians. Lt M'ress was an awesome character, appearing in a number of the animated episodes, even in one which the late Nichelle Nichols voiced her character Uhura as well. Caitians are mentioned in a number of novels, as are the Edoans (Lt Arex). Early publications (the Star Trek Concordance) clearly states that the species are Edoan, not Edosian, regardless of what they are called in Prodigy.
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The Kazinti will only be seen in an animated format. The contract between Larry Niven and Gene Roddenberry states that. As long as it's a cartoon, Star Trek can have Kazinti in it.
The story is that Roddenberry asked Niven if he could use the race from his novels in the Star Trek Animated show. Then Niven sent Gene a like 30 page contract that let him and the Star Trek IP use the Kazinti race as much as they like but only in a animated format.
Remember the Kazinti are an IP own buy Niven.
Kzinti. Singular, Kzin.
I remember how thrilled I was to watch the Animated Series when it came out in the 70's.
I'm not an artist but I imagine/hypothesize that the Kazinti being clothed makes them much less creepy or uncanny valley-ish compared to the Cats travesty
Kzinti*
Standing straight helps too.
they're also much larger and have more exaggerated proportions, they're not regular cat people like the Caitians are
Also, the singular is kzin.
The Nasat have also been shown in lower decks one of them was a Bouncer for a starfleet party
Also the fansite Star Trek Theurgy has an indepth page on the Kzinti
One of my favourite scenes from the S.C.E. books is when the crew of the USS da Vinci is at a paintball game and Cmdr. Sonya Gomez accidentally splashes her commanding officer (who wasn't in the game). To which, Capt. Gold says, "I'm going to have to tell Picard it finally happened"
"What" finally happened? Why does Captain Gold have to tell Picard?
@@ellemueller If you think Sonya Gomez and Picard, you have to remember the scene in "Q Who" when she spills hot chocolate all over the captain. So what "finally happened" was that she splashed her new CO with something. In the SCE books, Gold and Picard are Academy buddies, with Gold being a year or two ahead of Picard, so presumably Picard would have "warned" Gold about his Chief Engineer's "tendency" to splash superior officers.
When she comes aboard the USS da Vinci in the first book, Cmdr. Kieran Duffy (also previously posted on the Enterprise) welcomes her with "Hey, hot Chocolate!"
@@ThiagoMacieira oMG, yes, thanks so much for helping me connect the dots; I forgot that was her name and I can only half remember what I read in the book. That was very amusing!
@@ThiagoMacieira The internet hive mind misses nothing. Thanks for this backstory.
To this list I would add the Slavers from"The Slaver Weapon", the cloud creature from "One of Our Planets is Missing," the Vendorians from "The Survivor", the insectoid race (and their ship) from "Beyond the Farthest Star," the Phylosians from "The Infinite Vulcan," and the Skorr from "The Jihad."
Ooooh! I forgot about the Phylosians!
I like all the new shows, but one thing that bothers is that they are always introducing new races when they could have re-used a similar race from a previous series. In particular, I always thought they should have made Saru an Edosian. Since Discovery is a prequel, it would have been a good chance for an origin story for the Edosians.
C’mon… we can’t all pretend like we don’t know exactly why they avoid legacy races.
Look at what happened when they updated the Klingons and in my opinion made them better. You’ll HAVE to update any alien to modern standards and the fans just hate ANY changes.
Personally I like it because as Morty said “One of those Star Trek guys with the crap on the forehead…” because that’s all 90% of them were. Humans with weird foreheads and the occasional odd skin color.
We need more ALIEN aliens and until the fandom can chill out a little they’ll probably keep avoiding legacy races.
With that third leg, they would've had to teach the actor to waltz...
@@DanteYewToob "Look at what happened when they updated the Klingons and in my opinion made them better. " Which update are you speaking of? TMP, TNG, or Discovery?
The Sord/ Gorn thing could be an interesting mistaken identity problem. Like the reverse of Romulans and Vulcans.
I had thought Sord was a Saurian, but looking at Linus... yeah, the resemblance isn't really there.
Agree with your top three. And love that you put the triped at #3.
I'd add that _SNW_ should give us a _Sehlat_ cub/kitten. Yes, we had the wild one in "The Forge," but we need to see a good bearcat getting pets.
The Lactrans appear to be similar to what the Krell from Forbidden Planet might have looked like. Them being so farther ahead intellectually fits too.
What a great idea for a top 10 list! The animated series was so quirky but had some fun moments. Some of those aliens were trippy
The weird thing about Pandronians is that the different parts of the colony look so much like human body parts.
Weirder still, the upper parts just levitate, while only the lower segment conceals extra limbs. I always thought the overall appearance was cool, but the sectional separation (especially the levitating limbless torso) never worked for me - even when it first aired ( I was ten).
@@megalictis9002 I agree with you. I thought the head should roll or have vine limbs come out the neck so it could walk, and couldn't understand how they floated like that in a normal gravity environment, and I was 4. All of the three Pandronian bodily segments should have had those strange vine-like limb-equivalents come out of their three body segments. Obviously the little vine limbs would clasp the other vine limbs to reconnect the three bodily segments. Seems logical.
@@ellemueller You were a better theoretical xenobiologist - at four - than David Gerrold (or whoever did Bem's character design).
The ones that I would really like to see live are the Phylosians and then he Vendorians.
We haven't seen any "plant people" in live Trek yet, but we know they exist in canon.
And since the Vulcans and Romulans have reunified, it makes sense for the Vendorians to be present in the same era as Discovery.
Side note... Why not the Caitians? We arguably got one, very briefly, in ST V.
Maybe M'ress becomes a cadet on the Enterprise under Pike.
Yes, although it's not explicitly stated in any way, the "cat lady stripper" dancing on the table that attacks Kirk in Star Trek 5 was definitely a Caitian like Lt. M'Ress from the animated series.
I'd love to see the Caitians and the Edosians in live action / CGI. Caitians were seen in one of the Star Trek movies in the Federation Council scene, and shown in one magazine article (in Starlog?) so they had done the whole costume. Lt. Arex (an Edosian) was done in CGI for either New voyages Phase II or Star Trek Continues (both fan series). But several other aliens could be cool. There was a tripod silent mysterious alien species we saw only once in an Enterprise episode, very cool. And in 70's or 80/s Trek novels, a Lutran (otter-like) officer appeared at least in two novels, maybe others.
The caitians were also shown in the movie Star Trek Five. It was the dancer kirk tossed into the water in the club early in the movie.
Arex was in Star Trek: Phase 2, in a short, and he was voiced by Chris Doohan.
Sord's species reminds me of what an iguana would look like as a humanoid. It makes me wonder why we haven't seen any more reptilian humanoids in Star Trek other than the Xinidi and the Gorn. CGI has come along way since the 90's and it's possible to add more diverse species to the Star Trek universe.
There is that kind of big-eyed character from Discovery that seems kind of reptilian, or possibly just classic Grey alien.
There's the Voth from Voyager.
They had an Edosian on the bridge at Chekov's station in an episode of Star Trek: New Voyages here on TH-cam. The CGI rendering of him was very good, too.
The Lactran look like extremely huge tardigrades. They can withstand extreme conditions, including the radiation and vacuum of space. That would make them awesome "real" characters!
Didn't Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg (from Fifth Element) have a baby one in his office as a 'pet'?
#5 here makes me want a similar list of species from the novels--preferably including the Pahkwa-thanth.
Also, I'd be fine with no Kzinti in live-action Star Trek *IF* we started getting more Caitians in live-action.
Always dissappointed that Larry Niven didn't include a Pierson's Puppeteer along with Kzinti in his TAS episode. Definitely can't be portrayed by a "Guy in a Suit" live so it was a natural for animation.
That episode "The Soft Weapon" wasn't written specifically for ST. It was a pretty much straightforward adaptation of Niven's short story "The Slaver Weapon". Spock took the place of the Puppeteer character (both were vegetarians, so the carnivorous Kzinti wouldn't bother trying to deal with them). That was the only change of any significance between the two versions.
What about the Caitains?
We've seen some cameos from Star Trek 5 and but we need to see a main character, like M'ress
I agree a proper Kzinti (from Wiki) "Kzinti are often described as "anthropomorphic tigers," but there are significant and visible differences. Kzinti are larger than humans, standing around 8 feet (2.4 m) tall and weighing around 500 pounds (230 kg). These tiger-sized bipeds have large membranous ears, a barrel-chested torso with a flexible spine, and large fangs and claws. One human gave an apt description of Kzin as "eight feet of death." " Would make my decade!
Speaking of animated series, we need one following Archer's crew during the earth-romulan war
I’d add the Caitians. I think M'Ress was a good character that could be explored more.
The Caitians appeared in Star Trek the Voyage Home and possibly in The Final Frontier. They were also, supposedly in Star Trek XI but unless they were human-caitian hybrids they weren't.
11:47 in 1968 a very popular book came out (best seller) called chariots of the gods which addresses the topic of aliens meeting native civilisations. In 1970 it was adapted in a documentary. The writers must have been cought in the trend back then. (This "trend" was brought back in 2009 with the ancient aliens series on history channel in the US and Canada)
"Chariots of the Gods" influenced a lot of 70's a post-70's scifi, most notably the original "Battlestar Galactica" and later the "Stargate" movie and then the series, especially "SG-1" and "Atlantis" ("Universe" tried to get away from that and explore new territory, although the ship itself was built by "Ancient Aliens"!!
@@thethirdchimpanzee yes absolutely! You know your classics!
As much as I love David Gerrold, and the Star Trek animated series, since it first aired, I've thought they could've (should have,) done a better job with the appearance and physical characteristics of the "colony creatures", the Pandronian's. I'd love to see the concept revisited with a new race. (The Shlossers maybe?)
As always, thank you all so very much for the videos!
"Shlossers" or "Schlossers" was the original name given to the race by David Gerrold.
A Moopsy is needed. And I'm convinced that that attack Tribble from Picard was a Tribble Tuvixed with a Moopsy.
Phylosians. The intelligent plant species from the episode "The Infinite Vulcan".
I would love to see Andorian,Caitian, as recurring characters in SNW and explore them more.
We need Caitian in live action. Instead of typical cute cat girl/boy or grumpy cat in a coat, why not both?
That being said, if they make Star Trek Legacy, I wouldn't mind having Live Aciton Lower decks in a Neo-Miranda, and have future-Lt Taylor.
We've had Catians in _Into Darkness_ and _Voyage Home,_ tbf
@@GSBarlev Sure but I would also love to see a whole ship of them, since they are part of the Federation. Also a crew member could be fun, since it workes in 2 animated series I would like to see a more serious aproach with them too.
Captain Boimler in a Ceritos class support exploration ship. Would be hilarious with the Lower Decks crew embracing their second fiddle nature.
@@GSBarlev Into Darkness are cat girls at best, not Caitians. And Voyage Home is a Admiral in the background. At least recurring Caitians, but to do that, sometimes being crew member is better.
@@Jestersage I never said they were *good* portrayals of Caitians, but Memory Alpha confirms that "the twins" were Caitians.
Anyway, I'm hoping that in a year or two Ensign Uhura will get promoted to Lieutenant and get a chance to mentor a certain Catian cadet.
That lizard guy looks almost exactly like a Cuba false chameleon/ crested anole
i knew that the Kzinti would be the top spot before i even clicked. Sean loves his kzinti.
i can understand why some of these might still be incredibly hard to do make, but i think its a really fun idea to do some more of them in lower decks! we already had some in lower decks so i hope they come to modern trek atleast in lower decks
I'd like to see the Caitians. When I was a kid watching TAS I had a thing for Lt M'Ress. It must have been the voice.
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If Doctor Who can give us live action cat-nuns more than a decade ago, then Star Trek can give us some really good cat races now.
As someone whose favorite Trek iteration is TNG and considers everything else in the franchise "Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money," I'm still very fond of TOS's brief Saturday morning resurrection. Speaking of which, I watched your entire video waiting for M'Ress to appear - *and I cannot belive you left her out,* in spite of discussing various feline aliens at the very end. Also, despite a very brief reference to Larry Niven, you neglected to mention (maybe you weren't aware) he was a prolific sci-fi author who created the Kzin and featured them in a series of sci-fi stories, including several "Man-Kzin War" novels. (I always thought it was very cool to see them show up in a completely different franchise.)
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The easiest way to tell a Kzin from a Caitian, is the ears. Caitians have regular pointed cat ears. Kzinti have those ribbed bat-wing style ears.
I want to see the pink Tribbles in live action Trek!
I believe that you might be missing the Aurelians, the Vedala, the Phylosians, Vendorians and the Skorr
I’d like to see the bird species from TAS that came back in Lower Decks and Prodigy
I would llike to see Pylosians in live action.
RE: Edosians. I was just watching Lower Decks today and was wondering why that one alien dude looked familiar. Then I saw the thumbnail for this video! Thanks for helping me clear that up lol
It is interesting to note that in the planned 5th season of Star Trek Enterprise, they were going to have a Kzinti episode or series of them as a big bad for that season. Author Jimmy Diggs, according to Memory Alpha, wrote the premise and there was even a model of how thy might look. On another note, yet similar, no mention of M'ress? I know you mentioned Caitains (sp?), but she was another iconic for the animated series voiced by Majel Barrett and according to rumors, Gene actually asked her to reprise the role for the first movie to which she said no. Anyway, when I think of the animated series, Arex and M'ress are the two aliens that stood out the most (beyond seeing an Andorian in a Star Fleet uniform that left me wishing for one on any show since) and the avian species the Skorr. Thank you for the video and sharing your thoughts.
Maybe some similarity in approach to rendering the Kzinti could be applied to the Caitians, too? A twofer! And, wasn't there a cat species in that same episode with the Skorr and Sord and the bug and the girl with the eyebrows? Three on a match- hat trick! Or cat trick...
They didn't build a CGI model of the Kzinti themselves, it was a CGI prototype for what one of their ships would look like.
And there's nothing I can find online or have read about Majel Barrett Roddenberry ever being asked by anyone to reprise M'Ress for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. She was going to play her best know role of Nurse, now Doctor Christine Chapel.
Kzinti on the Niven's Known Universe are war beast, and cool warriors, pretty bidimensional in their basic motivations, but some individuals are truly remarkable
5:04 those M3 green spices were shown in an episode of LD too. That one where they were trying to sneak into the party on the starbase.
Thanks for giving content coverage to TAS. That series was what got me hooked on Trek back in its run in the 70s.
The Phylosians are the species I'd like most to see, right after Edosians.
From the original Star Trek series, there was a race called the Horta. They were quite smart and quite the miners. I think at least one appeared in a Star Trek novel. I don't think they'd even be that hard to animate in a live action (because they pretty much were already), but it was crude special effects and models.
Let's be honest. This lists exists so that Sean could talk about the Kzinti again. 🤣
Personally, I would like to see some of Star Trek's avian species brought into live action. Aurelians, Areore (or as Peanut Hamper referred to them, "Poor man's Aurelians). Hell, dig up a Xindi Avian (even if the Xindi arc was garbage, but hey, the Reptilians made a comeback in Prodigy).
Yes! We need more birbs! But... not in Kurtzman Trek.
I would love to see Jimmy Diggs get to do his Kzinti episode or movie. P8 Blue and the Nasat were amazing in the SCE books, I would love to see her make a live action appearance as well as Arex. The Edosians and Caitians became such a fixture in my mind as a kid watching the Animated Series growing up in the 80s.
Honestly Strange new worlds should have given Kirk his senior staff except Spock on the Faragut make the Faragut the same class as the TAS Bonaventure and make Mress and Eriks as ensigns in that ship along side Pike's Enterprise. Make the show interesting by alternating between crews.
Philosians and Vandorians. Plus let's explore a graphically updated Melkot from TOS.
Yes, I've been tapping my fingers forever waiting for Lt. Arex to show up. (but I appreciate the Lower Decks nods)
I want a live action moopsy. Yes it was just introduced in LD, but wee need that live action. Also live action T'ana
I 3D printed a Moopsy (a subscriber to this channel posted a design to Printables). It is incredibly adorable in person.
The biggest problem with including these in SNW is that the Enterprise in TAS encountered these after Pike's day. Hopefully we could see these in the Starfleet Academy show (if we get one.)
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Some of these might be great to revisit in the ST Legacy era, if that show moves forward.
YOu could have included Caitians themselves as the 10th alien race ya know :P Imagine getting a young M'ress on SNW!!
This is an interesting list. I want to see all of these.
I need to go back and watch TOS animated... Thanks, Sean... Good show.
Lt. Arex was shown in the STAR TREK PHASE II short "Going Boldly" here on TH-cam.
Here's one more vote for the Vendorians, especially with the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire. One particular 'what-if?' idea I had was, "what if the Vendorians were planning to take over the Empire, then Shinzon's rise to power killed that plan?"
Just a thought.
The Megan who looks like a fawn or satyr is an *awesome* chance for a throwback to TOS toga-wearing false gods, *and* the TOS obsession with silly Pan flute & lyre musical styles. That could be a hilarious Lower Decks scene.
I've been wondering as the Horta have been used on Lower Decks, it's about time for them to make a return.
They were used in TOS, so they NEED to return!
What episode of Lower Decks were the Horta on?
After Anton Yelchin died I thought if they make another Kelvin movie they should replace Chekov with Lieutenant Arex. Alas I don't think another Kelvin timeline movie will happen.
The Le Matya from Vulcan. First seen in the TAS Star Trek episode, Yesteryear.
I was waiting to see Kukulkan! Good video including most of my list!
I’d love to see more unique alien designs and species in Star Trek
I would like to see the Phylosians, a sentient plant would be a great addition to live action.
#10, of course, should be the Caitians (although I would have put them much higher). With TWO regular Caitian characters is animated Treks (M'Ress in TAS and T'Ana in LD), they are due a lot bigger appearance than that one who showed up in STIV and ST: Into Darkness.
I like the cat folk in Tennant's run as the Doctor when they visit New New York.
3:12 "Going to find god." What does god need with a spaceship?"
The avian race seen in the animated series and lower decks is one I wouldn't mind seeing in live action.
If it was between the Kzinti and the Caitians, I'd prefer a Caitian live action. I think it would just be "prettier".
I want cadet M'Ress to appear in Season 3 of SNW, but done not in the style of other Caitians seen in live-action, but like the Caitian child in Prodigy transposed into the SNW art style
For me, we've gotta see the Pahkwa-thanh. Give us Dr Shenti Yisec Eres Ree! I'd love to see him show up in any potential "Legacy" series, even as a cameo.
I want to see M'ress and other Kaitians! And although they weren't in the animated series (?) I would love to see the Horta. There was one in at least one novel and it was great!
For practical filming and canon Gorkon's daughter Azetbur was absolutely right when she said The Federation is no more than a homo-sapiens only club. With star ships being difficult & time consuming to make it's logical for a multi-species crew to share similar requirements such as environmental, dietary, gravity, physical size etc. Therefore it's not unreasonable to believe there's also ships crewed by Aquatics, Aquans & Antedians with maybe a first officer on exchange from Cetacean ops and vice-versa. Of course any reason to teleport a whale again would make engineering happy and fans ecstatic 🖖
Might Sord have been a Saurian? They have appeared in live action: ST:Discovery and the crew member Linus. Granted, Saurians do not have a crest, but maybe that is a subspecies characteristic.
I can say that my father saw TAS as a teenager and all the Star Trek "nerds" at the time thought he must be a Saurian because of their familiarity with "SAURian Brandy" as a concept, and "dinoSAURs" as well, since it was obvious Sord wasn't a Gorn.
Because of this, I also grew up thinking Sord is a Saurian, because my dad said so.
In Larry Niven's known universe, Kzinti females could not talk. Except for the ones found on the map of kzin on Ring World. They also blended into the Fauna of their home world extremely well. The Star Trek animation brought up the Slavers. Exploring that would be awesome.
Actually when Larry Niven wrote the Slave Weapon for the animated series, he wound up using the Kzinti because he didn't have the time to come up with something else. Also, as I understand it, a lot of facets of the Kzinti were the result of them trying to genetically engineer themselves to fit the 'warrior ideal' better, which could be interesting both in including them in a look at genetic engineering in star trek, plus a more interesting look at how they might respond to something shifting what they see as the 'warrior ideal' they want to embody.
The slavers... or the Thrints as named in the original Known Space series created by Larry Niven... would indeed be very interesting foes for a Star Trek show. Especially in light of the fact that they were powerful telepaths capable of the simultaneous mental control of large numbers of non-Thrints. Even if, as in the novel World of Ptaavs, you only had the single time-displaced survivor of the galactic war that wiped out all intelligent life in the galaxy one to two billion years ago. They'd be scarier than the Borg.
The "Cats" CGI would work for Caitians though. And Arex would be a good solution for the Abramsverse to replace the late Anton Yelchin.
The Kzinti are Larry Niven's and independent of _Star Trek._ Some of the others could be (re)introduced into live action.
I know Sean loves the Kzinti and I like them too, but I want to see more Caitians!
Kzinti were more bad-ass in the books.
There is a Nasat (green beetle) species shown as a crew member in a few episodes of TAS.
What about Mress and her Species? That could be done with just prosthetics!
We've had Caitians in the movies. Or rather, I should say, _Kirk had_ the Catians in _Into Darkness..._
@@GSBarlev To me, it doesn't count. Give me a Caitian that's identified as such, actually looks feline (not like some sort of shaggy bat), is on screen for more than ten seconds and has a speaking role. In other words, a real character. Then we can say Caitians have made it into live action.
You could have done 10 aliens and include the Catians (M'Ress).
Doctor Who brought some personable live action feline sapiens to life in a number of episodes. One which springs to mind was a character called Thomas Kincade Brannigan, played by Ardal O'Hanlon (aka Father Dougal McGuire from Father Ted).
I firmly believe animation it's the future of Star Trek, live action it's just not enough
Yes he's an Andorian, but I'd love to see Commander Thelan from "Yesteryear." That would be a deep cut nod to TAS!
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What about M'Ress' species??
While I agree about the Kzinti, there is the little matter of Larry Niven's copyright and the fact he said the Kzinti would not appear on TNG when he was asked. I don't know if he has changed his mind.
The Kzinti... is legal. The only reason they allowed they were allowed to be mentioned on Picard is that Paramount owes the TV/Film rights to ALL of Niven's Ringworld and Known Space stuff and that license agreement includes bringing them back to Trek. (Yet in the ten years since the deal was signed Paramount has yet to produce said Ringworld movie. Almost like they bought it just to make DVD and streaming releases of Star Trek The Animated Series possible.)
since M'Ress and Arex got into the 24th century at some point through time shenanigans, we might be able to once see them if they make that Legends Show with Mackenzie! (IF HE GETS IN THERE???)
I know that the last Black Panther movie did a whole thing with Ku’kul’kan and the Mayans. So, if they brought back the Trek version, especially in live-action, people would probably immediately start asking why they’re so dramatically different. However, I’d love to see them bring back that tall shapeshifting alien they had in one episode (I forget what it’s called but it was also in an early LDS episode too). If there’s one alien I’d love to see them bring back and update, it’s the Horta. I know it wasn’t in the animated series but it did get brought back in some comics, as one was in Starfleet and serving on the TOS movie Enterprise. Maybe they could bring them back in a future live-action show, like Starfleet Academy.
In 1973 Roddenberry had already been talking about a movie. He’d first mentioned it in ‘68.
Nice picks for this list. On the subject of TAS: Will there be an Ups and downs for when all Very Short Treks are out?
According to the podcast, they will do an Ups and Downs for all of the Very Short Treks at once, but the current feeling on them is not very positive, and I agree.
Include the Megans but avoid the Karens
14:02 SHAUN you know Doctor Who has shown how to present cat people several times. GOT YOU AGAIN.
The live action One Piece adaptation did exactly this with the character Captain Buggy. It looked great and would completely work in Star Trek. Although it would be a bit comical to have this species in the current series.
The Kizinti are fully fleshed out the works of Larry Niven"s Known Space.
What about Aurelians? Where would you rank them on this list?
You completely forgot to mention and include the Caitians. Lt M'ress was an awesome character, appearing in a number of the animated episodes, even in one which the late Nichelle Nichols voiced her character Uhura as well. Caitians are mentioned in a number of novels, as are the Edoans (Lt Arex). Early publications (the Star Trek Concordance) clearly states that the species are Edoan, not Edosian, regardless of what they are called in Prodigy.