Quick Correction: At 05:22. The Sacred Realm transformed into the Dark World when ganondorf touched the Triforce, not when he was sealed inside. I'm going to save yourselves from harm by not making this a drinking game where you take a shot everytime I say the word "sage". Stay safe everyone ;). And have a great rest of your weekend!
@@lapetitefee - I unsubscribed from one such theorist specifically because I couldn't stand the way he spoke (frequent monotone), and also his bad grammar. I wonder whether that was the same theorist as you...
The term sage might not be important, which would explain why there is so much inconstancy. Any word to describe them like wizards, magicians, or helpers. It seems to me that Sages are just certain people with special powers who help the hero and the princess. Following that line of thought, what if the Champions in BotW were the equivalent of sages? They do fill the role of helping Link and Zelda fight Ganon. Revali's diary says piloting a Divine Beast requires a sacred power in one's soul. If that's the case, then maybe the "sages" in BotW2 would be the New Champions, Yunobo, Sidon, Riju, and Teba.
I think they were very specific wirh terminology, personally! But this is an interesting take. I think they specifically named them champions instead of sages because they have a plan for the sages in the sequel when Ganondorf is involved, since he wasn't specifically with calamity Ganon
In terms of ending Demise's Curse, I really like the theory that it's tied to his hatred, and ends if he mellows out. After all, his powers are tied to malice, and he specifies that it is his "hatred" which shall chase after Link and Zelda. Think about it; in the adult timeline Ganondorf had ages to hang out and ponder after Hyrule flooded. He started a life (of piracy), got a house, and contemplated the sinking of Hyrule and why he lusted after power. He finds the new Zelda was living a life of piracy, just like him. He finds some kid cosplaying as the ancient hero, but who isn't even a true reincarnation. He's still a bad dude, but he has no more hatred for Link and Zelda - heck, he's even angry *for* them that the gods would sink their homeland! And in all of that, he never turns into the dark beast, Ganon. He is a mighty Gerudo warrior, and a powerful warlock, but he's no demon. And after he's defeated, he never shows up in the adult timeline again; instead he's replaced by other demons, lesser demons there to fill the void Demise left behind. In BotW, things are different. Ganondorf has had plenty of time to himself, but he wasn't left to his own devices. Instead he was stabbed, sealed, and locked in place for centuries. No life, no freedom; it's a thousand times worse than being locked away in the Realm of Twilight. So instead of mellowing out, he's been *stewing* in his own hatred. His malice has overflowed, and become more powerful than any incarnation's malice seen since. So the only way to permanently end Demise's curse is to somehow end Ganondorf's hatred. Killing him won't do it - he'll just be revived or reincarnated, just like his other deaths.
It would indeed be interesting if Nintendo would in some way humanize Ganondorf again, like they did in The Windwaker. Instead of just a generic "Im evil because that is my role" type of badguy.
Except in Wildwater he was still evil. Skyward sword wasn't first game but it is first in timeline, so we didn't know of demise or malice till long after Wind waker. And there is only one scenario in which gannondorf can ever go good. Otherwise no matter how much you humanize him, he will always be lawful or chaotic evil and its never justifiable. The only way he'd be good is if demise and malice were gone. Why? Because gannondorf is like scar from lion king, always lusting for power. Scar had evil potential long before cobra toxin. Gannon is same. Now if malice didn't infect him maybe gannondorf has free will, but what if he was too tied to demise? You'd have to have demise perma gone also. And I know theres many itteration of gannondorf, and yea, the ear thing. And no i never said triforce of power made him evil. Din was goddess of power, shes not and never was evil. Although if gannondorf didn't like goddesses I'd not blame him, they are hands off and allow too much
My brother and I always wondered about what would happen if Ganon was born at the same time as Link and Zelda, if he got a chance meeting with them at a younger age. If he never had Kotake and Koume raising him in OoT to be evil incarnate. Just like the hero of the spirit can awaken at any time, I wonder if the spirit of darkness can too. That Gandondorf had the chance to be just a regular guy at some point in a timeline, yet other factors dragged him into his ill fated destiny.
@@tartanbunny7466 I'm always gonna think about the cut content for the Majora's Mask HD remake, where Ganondorf ran the fishing hole. The dreams that could have been, man...
I strongly agree with your theory here. However, there is one major point that say that it won't be so easy: Ganny-boy is kinda forever sealed in stone by the Master Sword itself after WW, so, he could not return at all. Still, in the next games of that timeline, a new evil of similar characteristics is born. That shows that: 1. The curse will continue with other beings if Ganondorf is no longer able to continue the cycle, and: 2. The curse does not depend on Ganon: even if he is cured from the hatred, it will find another way to manifestate. So, while in theory Ganondorf can be separated from the curse of hatred, "healed" from it if you may, it will just bring life to a new entity.
Those Shikeah monks should go on America's got Talent, or at the very least release an album titled something like: The Sheikah Monks and The Couple Thousand Year Wait. Top 100 greatest songs to sing while you wait for Link to finally get around to your trials. Coming soon!
I have a theory. Maybe the sages help awaken Zelda’s sealing power. She lost it at the end of Botw so maybe they can help her learn how to kill Ganondorf with her power.
It was never said that she lost her powers. She said they dwindled. Which is like being exhausted after a big workout, you don't have any strength left but, over time, you'll be back to full strength.
But why though. Depowering Zelda in this way is as pointless as Romcom sequels being reliant of the couple now fighting OR no longer together then rehashing the first movie’s storyline. It’d be as pointless as randomly damseling her. Zelda’s powerful. She should STAY powerful. Explore her skillset and add in new ones. Let her invent things and craft and study. Sky’s the limit
Dude you're the best. I love the humor that you used in this video. And extremely informative as well. Subscribed, if you keep this up you could be huge. Definitely a fan!
The 8 Heroines Statues in the gerudo desert by direction are: * W: Nabooru * NW: Rauru * N: Zelda * NE: Darunia * E: Saria * SE: Impa * S: Ruto * SW: Ganondorf You can tell by their symbols. Darunia, for example, has 2 white dots on his cheeks. The symbols of each statue show simplified representations of each sage's appearance.
Also each cardinal direction aligns with that sage. Nabooru, in the West, is Satori "legends say it is the spirit of a sage that died on the lands it now protects." Nabooru is the only sage in OoT who died.
@@MaddesG1 Ganondorf, the 8th Sage, is positioned in the Southwest because he is a Gerudo male. Gerudo Town in the SW represents him. Nabooru's just North of that, represented by The Lord of the Mountain, whose origin is a sage that died: a description that fits only Nabooru.
Thats a very interesting discovery that you made there but i dont think the 8th sage is ganondorf that just dosnt make sense to me maybe the 8th heroine is some outside force that helped them , maybe link maybe midna our someone else
It was really nostalgic seeing the Sheika Munk in the "Trail of the Sword" having the same hand poses like in Ocarina of Time Maybe they'll be another reference in BOTW 2?
In Creating a Champion it shows that the rocks surrounding the pedestal of the Master Sword have a symbolic meaning. The 3 closest represent Din, Nayru and Farore while the 6 outer represent a Hylian, Goron, Gerudo, Kokiri, Zora and Sheikah, so most likely the sages from OoT. (It's on page 227) I happened to be on that exact page while watching the video. I just found it interesting. Perhaps the Great Deku Tree could possibly represent Zelda in someway? He's a deity and Zelda carries the blood of Hylia, also a deity.
Even if there wasn't a concise answer in the end, it was a very interesting video to watch and a good summary of the sages' roles in the games! Great work!
1:55 Didn’t the heroes of the four sword (FS, FSA, and technically MC) all have the same shield? And in TWW, Link’s grandma says that the shield (which looks exactly alike the previously mentioned shield) is a family heirloom? Also I agree, ST and TWW/PH Links are probably related.
About that Satori Mountain Sage thing, taken from the Zelda Wiki: The Satori Mountain probably named after Satori, the other name of the Lord of the Mountain, may be an homage to the late Nintendo President, Satoru Iwata. The mountain is first mentioned by Botrick along with the Lord. In an interview[1], director Hidemaro Fujibayashi said: "When Iwata passed away, there moments we'd come with an idea which we'd be excited to talk to Iwata about. Then we'd remember he was no longer here... The sadness runs deep. This is approaching spiritual talk, but we had the sense he was watching over our work. That became a source of inspiration. A drive for us to improve, and be better." Presumably Satori being the reincarnation of a sage is a homage to Iwata's role as company president and his involvement in the development of various Zelda titles.
This was a great video! I love your explanation. The only thing I have to say about it is the part about Link in the beginning. I firmly believe Link is the same spirit of the hero in Skyward sword. You are right, he doesn't have to be related to any other Link but he is the same spirit reborn every time. There is a reason he always looks the same. He is the same hero. Just in another body that mirrors his soul. I also believe the same about Zelda. Her bloodline is that of Hylia with her magic but i believe when evil rises, Hylia's soul, just like Links soul, is forced to reincarnate. The body she is born into has the true power of Hylia. The curse of Demise is what it is. Its not a curse if the original Link and Hylia are not reincarnated in a cycle with no end.
Monster Maze mentions that aside from the other Champions in BotW, Link does not have a specific skill/magic like the others, however this assumption is incorrect. Link DOES have a specific (and slightly magical) skill of slowing down his own perception of time while he takes aim with his bow and arrows, or to perform a Flurry Rush on an enemy when he executes a Perfect Dodge!
15:33 Breaking Demises curse would be rather easily accomplished with a Triforce wish. The thing is none of the characters alive/present currently even have a lick of a clue that it exists. They would need to precisely wish for the undoing of the curse of the demon king but how will they do that when none of them know that there *is* a curse in the first place ?
I think the Sages are LONG forgotten. Different team,Different people. It's like asking if Wart will ever appear again. It's like asking if Nintendo will ever make 8 track cassettes.
I would argue that “wise man” wasn't exactly a mistranslation of “sage,” since “sage” basically means “wise person.” The localizers simply decided to call them wise men since all the sages in LttP were men. Then they had to double back on that, when OoT introduced female sages (not to mention sages with individuality). It wasn't really a mistranslation, but perhaps a shortsighted localization choice. Hmm. Did they ever change it to “sages” in any rereleases of LttP? It would make sense, considering the appearance of sages in LBW, LttP's direct sequel...
Once again a great vid Don! Keep doing you, every video is a banger! Glad to see fellow Dutchies thrive on YT! Complimenten voor de insane editing skills en je spreekt echt schandalig goed Engels ;)
This specific topic is very very tricky because of how inconsistent it is. I can't really add anything more because you've already covered all the bases, so I'm just going to put in my two cents. I personally go for the "spirit of the sages" thing. I know in games like LBW where the sages are supposed to be descendants of the maidens and by extension the prior sages, it's just flat out supposed to be the next generation in a family tree but we've got a Zora and a Goron(?) looking guy as sages? It's a big headache. When TP came out I was extremely confused as to why the sages were the way they were. WW had no issue depicting them in the chamber of the Master Sword so I never understood the drastic departure, and I'm still unsure of what exactly is going on in that game. If it's the Ocarina sages, are they supposed to be executing Ganon? Is this a later rebirth of Ganon? I thought he was the same as the one from OoT. Side rant aside, those specific sages looking nothing like before when the WW stained glass ones are just flat out them is confusing. Medli and Makar being actual descendants can work out, but just as easily being next in line to inherit the spirit of the sages does too. OoT Link's spirit still existing in the world at the same time as TP Link proves that two instances of the same spirit is possible (if we apply this knowledge to different timelines, which is rather sketchy but hey, tough subject). This also works out with Sahasrahla and the other fella being alive while the maidens who are technically the next sages are as well. I wanna believe that "descendants" is a term referring to the next generation of sages who inherit that spirit of a sage. The most obvious for this is the OoT sages having to be "awakened" as sages. The game mentions something about them being unable to hear the call for them to enter the temples and take their role as sages. In this case I don't see it working as anything but a reincarnation / spiritual rebirth thing. My one biggest gripe about all the sage retcons is that we don't get to meet a bunch of quirky and badass sages in Skyward Sword to forge the Master Sword. I liked it being the babby goddess sword, but the original story was more fun than "go collect 3 maguffins to make story move." Big missed opportunity.
5:04 I quite have a problem with this, the Imprisoning War was a *completely* different event! Even *if* we follow the books, it's long after with a new set of Hylian Sages! The Sages of the Imprisoning War are definitely not related with the Ocarina of Time Sages by much. You don't wanna tell me that Saria had a child, right? Or that Darunia could somehow have an Hylian child... Otherwise it's a neat video!
I don't mind "retcon" with the Zelda timeline. I feel like the title of the series: "The Legend" lends itself to retconning within reason. with each new game, it's like we're uncovering another scroll, another telling of the events that changes our understanding of what happened. Legends are not infallible. They are stories passed down for generations and details can be changed or lost. It's the Legend of Zelda, not the History of Zelda. :)
This was a very cool video. I had been wanting to know more about the various sages, thanks! I am also curious about the various main villains throughout the series, many of which I don't know such as Vaati.
I don't comment on a lot of stuff on TH-cam but that Maybelline Joke and the Africa Song was absolutely flawless comedy! I rewatched the Africa a few more times after finishing the video and it just kills me xD
@6:38 With regard to the races point, Rosso is also confirmed Hylian despite wearing Goron stuff. Also in DT its not unlikely that Zelda had relations with a Shiekah, (given her living with them after fall of hyrule castle) making Impa a possible descendant as well.
Monster Maze no problem :)) its insane how fast you grew after your video on the botw2 trailer haha. I have to say that it really shows how much effort and research you put into your videos and I’m excited to see what you have planned for the future.
Woohoo my baby Spirit Tracks has been mentioned in a video! It seems like both of my favorites (Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass) rarely get mentioned. Edit: I’ve watched more of the vid and that’s awesome- both of my babies were mentioned! And not just for a split second either!
Great video man! Just wanted to comment that you said 6 of the sheikah monks have the same hand gestures as the sages in OOT. However, the seventh also does have the same sign as Zelda when she's sealing Ganon. Just thought I'd mention that.
I think the champions are pretty obviously BotW's sages. You see in both Yunobo and Riju that their powers are passed through bloodline, which aLttP established is a sage thing and every instance since then has made the sages descendants of other ones.
I would imagine that, rather than the blood of the goddess vanishing if a Princess Zelda dies without children, another branch of the original Zelda's bloodline would "awaken" and the next living female relative of the original Zelda would have the goddess blood. I can't imagine none of Zelda's bloodline ever had multiple children.
I wonder if the narrative established in Skyward sword could be hinting at the fact that the sages CREATED Fi, who became the spirit of the master sword so that she could replicate it time and time again, if its physical form ever got damaged or destroyed.
Great video dude, worthy of a like for sure. Surely they will never have the curse of Demise be broken, because then Zelda games will just stop lol. I dont think the games are connected in one huge timeline by Nintendos design, at least not initially, but i love the idea of it. it just makes the mythos of the games more real, spanning thousands of years
When you think about it the only way to break the curse is to let ganon win because demises curse cant hount the bloodline of the godess if the bloodline dies out but i dont know if the curse will continue if the spirit of the hero still exists so its really up to interpretation and there is probably no real way to stop the curse completly Side note : (dont know if any one else thought about talked about this but im shure im not the first to say this )maybe the hand keeps ganon from dying so he cant reincarnate, the royal family probably tried to keep him from coming back and tried to break the curse that way, what ultimatly failed because ganon just send out his malice in form of calamity ganon to terorise hyrule once again when he himself couldnt
One fact to consider is that supposedly Zelda was the originally scripted to be the hero of the story. Hylia crafted the hero's sword, so... Maybe there is something there?
Indeed. The narrative of this video changed a lot while writing. It was supposed to BotW only, with only a minot mention of past sages. But... I just didn't have enough to write about, since we know so little about the sequel :(
It's informative to consider the real-world inspirations for the seven sages, which are most likely the Saptarishi (literally, "Seven Sages") of Hinduism, who are said to reincarnate in each manvantara (age of being). The concept of seven wise persons in a group also occurs in the Sapta matrika (seven mothers) again of Hinduism, the Apkallu (Wise/Sages) of Babylon, and the Seven Lucky Gods of Taoism and Mahayana Buddhism.
I don't think they entirely left out of BOTW if because the word "champion" to sounds like "sage" in this context with the "Divine Beasts" being named after the pilot or Sages/Champion who operated it in which case Hestu was a sage as well not to mention Impa or any sheika tech lab director
Extra descendants makes sense. Based on the technology of the series, it makes sense most people would have multiple children to try to have at least one survive. That means there is a chance of 2 surviving, and therefore multiple people having one common earliest ancestor. Likely a genetic link makes it easier for an ancient sage to reincarnate or to be mantled by the person in the game.
Quick Correction: At 05:22. The Sacred Realm transformed into the Dark World when ganondorf touched the Triforce, not when he was sealed inside.
I'm going to save yourselves from harm by not making this a drinking game where you take a shot everytime I say the word "sage". Stay safe everyone ;). And have a great rest of your weekend!
Yay! Saved from alcohol poisoning!
AdamPlayz that’s the W
OMG That sneaky bastard! lmao
I believe Champions are to Courage what Sages are to Wisdom.
@@MellyMellouange Power just gets sentient battery packs?
I love how all the Zelda theorists are becoming one entity.
Real life sages
They should be recruited for the next game story. They have a lot of good and fun theories
Scp-35948 The zelda theorists not exactly harmful unless you're pissed about there theorys
I dont. I follow specific content creators for their voice and approach, it's annoying to be forced to hear others. First world problem i guess
@@lapetitefee - I unsubscribed from one such theorist specifically because I couldn't stand the way he spoke (frequent monotone), and also his bad grammar. I wonder whether that was the same theorist as you...
To you who is scrolling through the comments before finishing the video;
14:22
You get no context, just click it.
Shh shh! He's coming. Shhh! There he is.
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xD Lol. I am so confused
Craig Amlin THANK YOU FOR THIS
lol what? Sounds good but im confused... Gonna watch it fr now
Monks singing afrika by toto confirmed. It's Canon and I'm gonna prove it!
The multiverse exists in Zelda, so yes, it is canon
The term sage might not be important, which would explain why there is so much inconstancy. Any word to describe them like wizards, magicians, or helpers. It seems to me that Sages are just certain people with special powers who help the hero and the princess. Following that line of thought, what if the Champions in BotW were the equivalent of sages? They do fill the role of helping Link and Zelda fight Ganon. Revali's diary says piloting a Divine Beast requires a sacred power in one's soul. If that's the case, then maybe the "sages" in BotW2 would be the New Champions, Yunobo, Sidon, Riju, and Teba.
It's equal to asking if Nintendo will ever make games in cassette form again.
I think they were very specific wirh terminology, personally! But this is an interesting take. I think they specifically named them champions instead of sages because they have a plan for the sages in the sequel when Ganondorf is involved, since he wasn't specifically with calamity Ganon
I also think paya would be a cool sage as she was kind of a joke in botw, and would be cool if she got given a more important role
In terms of ending Demise's Curse, I really like the theory that it's tied to his hatred, and ends if he mellows out. After all, his powers are tied to malice, and he specifies that it is his "hatred" which shall chase after Link and Zelda.
Think about it; in the adult timeline Ganondorf had ages to hang out and ponder after Hyrule flooded. He started a life (of piracy), got a house, and contemplated the sinking of Hyrule and why he lusted after power. He finds the new Zelda was living a life of piracy, just like him. He finds some kid cosplaying as the ancient hero, but who isn't even a true reincarnation. He's still a bad dude, but he has no more hatred for Link and Zelda - heck, he's even angry *for* them that the gods would sink their homeland! And in all of that, he never turns into the dark beast, Ganon. He is a mighty Gerudo warrior, and a powerful warlock, but he's no demon. And after he's defeated, he never shows up in the adult timeline again; instead he's replaced by other demons, lesser demons there to fill the void Demise left behind.
In BotW, things are different. Ganondorf has had plenty of time to himself, but he wasn't left to his own devices. Instead he was stabbed, sealed, and locked in place for centuries. No life, no freedom; it's a thousand times worse than being locked away in the Realm of Twilight. So instead of mellowing out, he's been *stewing* in his own hatred. His malice has overflowed, and become more powerful than any incarnation's malice seen since.
So the only way to permanently end Demise's curse is to somehow end Ganondorf's hatred. Killing him won't do it - he'll just be revived or reincarnated, just like his other deaths.
It would indeed be interesting if Nintendo would in some way humanize Ganondorf again, like they did in The Windwaker. Instead of just a generic "Im evil because that is my role" type of badguy.
Except in Wildwater he was still evil. Skyward sword wasn't first game but it is first in timeline, so we didn't know of demise or malice till long after Wind waker. And there is only one scenario in which gannondorf can ever go good. Otherwise no matter how much you humanize him, he will always be lawful or chaotic evil and its never justifiable. The only way he'd be good is if demise and malice were gone. Why? Because gannondorf is like scar from lion king, always lusting for power. Scar had evil potential long before cobra toxin. Gannon is same. Now if malice didn't infect him maybe gannondorf has free will, but what if he was too tied to demise? You'd have to have demise perma gone also. And I know theres many itteration of gannondorf, and yea, the ear thing. And no i never said triforce of power made him evil. Din was goddess of power, shes not and never was evil. Although if gannondorf didn't like goddesses I'd not blame him, they are hands off and allow too much
My brother and I always wondered about what would happen if Ganon was born at the same time as Link and Zelda, if he got a chance meeting with them at a younger age. If he never had Kotake and Koume raising him in OoT to be evil incarnate. Just like the hero of the spirit can awaken at any time, I wonder if the spirit of darkness can too. That Gandondorf had the chance to be just a regular guy at some point in a timeline, yet other factors dragged him into his ill fated destiny.
@@tartanbunny7466 I'm always gonna think about the cut content for the Majora's Mask HD remake, where Ganondorf ran the fishing hole. The dreams that could have been, man...
I strongly agree with your theory here. However, there is one major point that say that it won't be so easy:
Ganny-boy is kinda forever sealed in stone by the Master Sword itself after WW, so, he could not return at all. Still, in the next games of that timeline, a new evil of similar characteristics is born. That shows that:
1. The curse will continue with other beings if Ganondorf is no longer able to continue the cycle, and:
2. The curse does not depend on Ganon: even if he is cured from the hatred, it will find another way to manifestate.
So, while in theory Ganondorf can be separated from the curse of hatred, "healed" from it if you may, it will just bring life to a new entity.
Those Shikeah monks should go on America's got Talent, or at the very least release an album titled something like: The Sheikah Monks and The Couple Thousand Year Wait. Top 100 greatest songs to sing while you wait for Link to finally get around to your trials. Coming soon!
Damn, only 100 HAHAHA
Hmmm. Your right... how about 10,000. Too much?
Live action remake of that part 🤣
The "Africa" a cappella segment was great. Nice touch!! :-) I love the humor
I have a theory. Maybe the sages help awaken Zelda’s sealing power. She lost it at the end of Botw so maybe they can help her learn how to kill Ganondorf with her power.
Sounds plausible ^^
I hope she gets her powers back!
This could be it Zelda kills gannondorf and breaks the cycle.
It was never said that she lost her powers. She said they dwindled. Which is like being exhausted after a big workout, you don't have any strength left but, over time, you'll be back to full strength.
But why though.
Depowering Zelda in this way is as pointless as Romcom sequels being reliant of the couple now fighting OR no longer together then rehashing the first movie’s storyline.
It’d be as pointless as randomly damseling her.
Zelda’s powerful. She should STAY powerful. Explore her skillset and add in new ones. Let her invent things and craft and study. Sky’s the limit
Monster Maze: Unless the monks where having a sing-a-long right before Link walked in
Me: -hears the singing and died laughing-
Dude you're the best. I love the humor that you used in this video. And extremely informative as well. Subscribed, if you keep this up you could be huge. Definitely a fan!
Thanks man, and also for the sub ^^
The 8 Heroines Statues in the gerudo desert by direction are:
* W: Nabooru
* NW: Rauru
* N: Zelda
* NE: Darunia
* E: Saria
* SE: Impa
* S: Ruto
* SW: Ganondorf
You can tell by their symbols. Darunia, for example, has 2 white dots on his cheeks. The symbols of each statue show simplified representations of each sage's appearance.
Also each cardinal direction aligns with that sage. Nabooru, in the West, is Satori "legends say it is the spirit of a sage that died on the lands it now protects." Nabooru is the only sage in OoT who died.
Why Ganondorf at SW....thats very interesting
@@MaddesG1 Ganondorf, the 8th Sage, is positioned in the Southwest because he is a Gerudo male. Gerudo Town in the SW represents him.
Nabooru's just North of that, represented by The Lord of the Mountain, whose origin is a sage that died: a description that fits only Nabooru.
Thats a very interesting discovery that you made there but i dont think the 8th sage is ganondorf that just dosnt make sense to me maybe the 8th heroine is some outside force that helped them , maybe link maybe midna our someone else
Dont think that ganondorf would be seen as a sage
14:22 yo can we like get a full cover of the monks singing this song it deadass slaps ngl
It was really nostalgic seeing the Sheika Munk in the "Trail of the Sword" having the same hand poses like in Ocarina of Time
Maybe they'll be another reference in BOTW 2?
In Creating a Champion it shows that the rocks surrounding the pedestal of the Master Sword have a symbolic meaning. The 3 closest represent Din, Nayru and Farore while the 6 outer represent a Hylian, Goron, Gerudo, Kokiri, Zora and Sheikah, so most likely the sages from OoT. (It's on page 227)
I happened to be on that exact page while watching the video. I just found it interesting. Perhaps the Great Deku Tree could possibly represent Zelda in someway? He's a deity and Zelda carries the blood of Hylia, also a deity.
I...I never thought I'd watch a Zelda video that leaves me with the image of the Sheikah monks in a chorus of Toto's "Africa." This is pure gold.
That Maybelline joke was flawless
Even if there wasn't a concise answer in the end, it was a very interesting video to watch and a good summary of the sages' roles in the games! Great work!
1:55
Didn’t the heroes of the four sword (FS, FSA, and technically MC) all have the same shield? And in TWW, Link’s grandma says that the shield (which looks exactly alike the previously mentioned shield) is a family heirloom?
Also I agree, ST and TWW/PH Links are probably related.
About that Satori Mountain Sage thing, taken from the Zelda Wiki:
The Satori Mountain probably named after Satori, the other name of the Lord of the Mountain, may be an homage to the late Nintendo President, Satoru Iwata. The mountain is first mentioned by Botrick along with the Lord.
In an interview[1], director Hidemaro Fujibayashi said: "When Iwata passed away, there moments we'd come with an idea which we'd be excited to talk to Iwata about. Then we'd remember he was no longer here... The sadness runs deep. This is approaching spiritual talk, but we had the sense he was watching over our work. That became a source of inspiration. A drive for us to improve, and be better."
Presumably Satori being the reincarnation of a sage is a homage to Iwata's role as company president and his involvement in the development of various Zelda titles.
I’m pretty sure it has been confirmed that the Lord of the Mountain is a reference to Satoru Iwata.
This was a great video! I love your explanation. The only thing I have to say about it is the part about Link in the beginning. I firmly believe Link is the same spirit of the hero in Skyward sword. You are right, he doesn't have to be related to any other Link but he is the same spirit reborn every time. There is a reason he always looks the same. He is the same hero. Just in another body that mirrors his soul. I also believe the same about Zelda. Her bloodline is that of Hylia with her magic but i believe when evil rises, Hylia's soul, just like Links soul, is forced to reincarnate. The body she is born into has the true power of Hylia. The curse of Demise is what it is. Its not a curse if the original Link and Hylia are not reincarnated in a cycle with no end.
"its about breath of the wild" WHAT, WHO WILL EVER GUESS THAT, ONLY A GENIUS WILL?!?!?!?!?!
Loved the vid high quality as always!
Damn the music during the vid is amazing though
I'm a simple human: I see Don posts a video; I click
another great content, man! every day I enter in youtube hoping to see new videos from you. Keep it up!
I hope that this channel blows up this content is more informative then game theory and you have editing skills that are just. Better.
Omg that singing bit was hilarious! Good stuff 👏
Monster Maze mentions that aside from the other Champions in BotW, Link does not have a specific skill/magic like the others, however this assumption is incorrect. Link DOES have a specific (and slightly magical) skill of slowing down his own perception of time while he takes aim with his bow and arrows, or to perform a Flurry Rush on an enemy when he executes a Perfect Dodge!
Your videos’ quality keeps staying consistent and is even getting better!!! Keep it up!!
15:33 Breaking Demises curse would be rather easily accomplished with a Triforce wish. The thing is none of the characters alive/present currently even have a lick of a clue that it exists. They would need to precisely wish for the undoing of the curse of the demon king but how will they do that when none of them know that there *is* a curse in the first place ?
I think the Sages are LONG forgotten. Different team,Different people. It's like asking if Wart will ever appear again. It's like asking if Nintendo will ever make 8 track cassettes.
I really like your voice, it's so calming.
Thank you for your videos!
That boi Ganon just never seems to give up. As they say, crimes never sleep or however they saying goes.
The Lord of the mountain you can forget, because he is a reference to a guy related to the Zelda team That died during the development of the game
I would have no complaints about having that as a Master Sword ritual song.
Your theories are always so interesting! Some of them I've never even thought about once. Keep it up!
14:22 - 14:40 : made my morning. Thank you for this. 😂
Just imagine the Sages singing Africa make my day
I would argue that “wise man” wasn't exactly a mistranslation of “sage,” since “sage” basically means “wise person.” The localizers simply decided to call them wise men since all the sages in LttP were men.
Then they had to double back on that, when OoT introduced female sages (not to mention sages with individuality). It wasn't really a mistranslation, but perhaps a shortsighted localization choice.
Hmm. Did they ever change it to “sages” in any rereleases of LttP? It would make sense, considering the appearance of sages in LBW, LttP's direct sequel...
SO glad to see a theorist discussing Spirit Tracks and Hourglass- the first LoZ games I ever played! Thanks man!
Once again a great vid Don! Keep doing you, every video is a banger! Glad to see fellow Dutchies thrive on YT! Complimenten voor de insane editing skills en je spreekt echt schandalig goed Engels ;)
Bedankt man! Heerlijk compliment :D
I laughed way to hard at that sing along part. “Shhh shh. Ahem.” That was to effing good. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It could be awesome if you talked about the hidden message in botw sequel trailer when played reverse
This specific topic is very very tricky because of how inconsistent it is. I can't really add anything more because you've already covered all the bases, so I'm just going to put in my two cents.
I personally go for the "spirit of the sages" thing. I know in games like LBW where the sages are supposed to be descendants of the maidens and by extension the prior sages, it's just flat out supposed to be the next generation in a family tree but we've got a Zora and a Goron(?) looking guy as sages? It's a big headache. When TP came out I was extremely confused as to why the sages were the way they were. WW had no issue depicting them in the chamber of the Master Sword so I never understood the drastic departure, and I'm still unsure of what exactly is going on in that game. If it's the Ocarina sages, are they supposed to be executing Ganon? Is this a later rebirth of Ganon? I thought he was the same as the one from OoT.
Side rant aside, those specific sages looking nothing like before when the WW stained glass ones are just flat out them is confusing. Medli and Makar being actual descendants can work out, but just as easily being next in line to inherit the spirit of the sages does too. OoT Link's spirit still existing in the world at the same time as TP Link proves that two instances of the same spirit is possible (if we apply this knowledge to different timelines, which is rather sketchy but hey, tough subject). This also works out with Sahasrahla and the other fella being alive while the maidens who are technically the next sages are as well.
I wanna believe that "descendants" is a term referring to the next generation of sages who inherit that spirit of a sage. The most obvious for this is the OoT sages having to be "awakened" as sages. The game mentions something about them being unable to hear the call for them to enter the temples and take their role as sages. In this case I don't see it working as anything but a reincarnation / spiritual rebirth thing.
My one biggest gripe about all the sage retcons is that we don't get to meet a bunch of quirky and badass sages in Skyward Sword to forge the Master Sword. I liked it being the babby goddess sword, but the original story was more fun than "go collect 3 maguffins to make story move." Big missed opportunity.
5:04 I quite have a problem with this, the Imprisoning War was a *completely* different event! Even *if* we follow the books, it's long after with a new set of Hylian Sages!
The Sages of the Imprisoning War are definitely not related with the Ocarina of Time Sages by much. You don't wanna tell me that Saria had a child, right? Or that Darunia could somehow have an Hylian child...
Otherwise it's a neat video!
Video about the sages nice, its a very interesting topic. Btw The video looks like very high quality.
I don't mind "retcon" with the Zelda timeline. I feel like the title of the series: "The Legend" lends itself to retconning within reason. with each new game, it's like we're uncovering another scroll, another telling of the events that changes our understanding of what happened. Legends are not infallible. They are stories passed down for generations and details can be changed or lost. It's the Legend of Zelda, not the History of Zelda. :)
Those sly jokes kept getting me off guard
This was a very cool video. I had been wanting to know more about the various sages, thanks! I am also curious about the various main villains throughout the series, many of which I don't know such as Vaati.
We can definitely dive into those sometime as well :)
“Some are born with it
Or maybe it’s maybelline”
STAHP THAT WAS SMOOTH
Champions are basically sages in botw
Those monks were definitely having a sing-song
I don't comment on a lot of stuff on TH-cam but that Maybelline Joke and the Africa Song was absolutely flawless comedy! I rewatched the Africa a few more times after finishing the video and it just kills me xD
@6:38 With regard to the races point, Rosso is also confirmed Hylian despite wearing Goron stuff.
Also in DT its not unlikely that Zelda had relations with a Shiekah, (given her living with them after fall of hyrule castle) making Impa a possible descendant as well.
I want to correct you. Sages without physical forms can die. The one that Ganondorf stabs never returns in TP
whole video about sages in BOTW 2. only gets there the last 4 minutes.
The preist joke is my second favourite part of the video, after the singalong. Please do more of that :P
This was actually really enlightening and well explained. Big thumbs up!
Wow congrats on hitting 15k already, you definitely deserve it!
Thank you! I only noticed it right after uploading haha. Its so humbling to see how many people fludded my channel in such a short time
Monster Maze no problem :)) its insane how fast you grew after your video on the botw2 trailer haha. I have to say that it really shows how much effort and research you put into your videos and I’m excited to see what you have planned for the future.
Woohoo my baby Spirit Tracks has been mentioned in a video! It seems like both of my favorites (Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass) rarely get mentioned.
Edit: I’ve watched more of the vid and that’s awesome- both of my babies were mentioned! And not just for a split second either!
Great video man! Just wanted to comment that you said 6 of the sheikah monks have the same hand gestures as the sages in OOT. However, the seventh also does have the same sign as Zelda when she's sealing Ganon. Just thought I'd mention that.
Oooh that is cool!
The Toto gag got me good, well done!
The dwarves are a mysterious race in LoZ that will be fun to theorize about. Get on it, Monster Maze!
That sing along bit was hilarious
Awesome video, very nice to hear about the sages.
@ MM You’re from The Netherlands aren’t you? I can clearly hear it in your voice. xD
Cool video!
Subscribed simply because of the Singing Sages. xD
Great stuff!
Great content as usual. Thanks for your hard work.
I think the champions are pretty obviously BotW's sages. You see in both Yunobo and Riju that their powers are passed through bloodline, which aLttP established is a sage thing and every instance since then has made the sages descendants of other ones.
What if we we're all wrong about the hand the grand link in the trailer, what if that was done by or belongs to a sage?
I would imagine that, rather than the blood of the goddess vanishing if a Princess Zelda dies without children, another branch of the original Zelda's bloodline would "awaken" and the next living female relative of the original Zelda would have the goddess blood. I can't imagine none of Zelda's bloodline ever had multiple children.
14:30 had me dead
14:16 some of the best editing i have ever seen
I wonder if the narrative established in Skyward sword could be hinting at the fact that the sages CREATED Fi, who became the spirit of the master sword so that she could replicate it time and time again, if its physical form ever got damaged or destroyed.
Really enjoyed this video!
is it just me or has his accent started sounding even more native in the few months his channel's existed?
The monk sing along has made my morning hahahahaha
Champions are the sages now.
Great video dude, worthy of a like for sure. Surely they will never have the curse of Demise be broken, because then Zelda games will just stop lol. I dont think the games are connected in one huge timeline by Nintendos design, at least not initially, but i love the idea of it. it just makes the mythos of the games more real, spanning thousands of years
When you think about it the only way to break the curse is to let ganon win because demises curse cant hount the bloodline of the godess if the bloodline dies out but i dont know if the curse will continue if the spirit of the hero still exists so its really up to interpretation and there is probably no real way to stop the curse completly
Side note : (dont know if any one else thought about talked about this but im shure im not the first to say this )maybe the hand keeps ganon from dying so he cant reincarnate, the royal family probably tried to keep him from coming back and tried to break the curse that way, what ultimatly failed because ganon just send out his malice in form of calamity ganon to terorise hyrule once again when he himself couldnt
Lokomo to Byrne: You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of master
It being a "spirit of the hero" situation makes most sense to me as things are.
My friend, you earned a subscriber based solely on that Africa sing along. Flawlessly done bit.
HAHAHAHA BROOO When the monks are singing best part of the video hahahahah
One fact to consider is that supposedly Zelda was the originally scripted to be the hero of the story. Hylia crafted the hero's sword, so... Maybe there is something there?
That could very well be :)
Zelda is some incarnation of hylia, hylia never dies and goes back up
This is a very long way of saying, *"weeeeell, we've had sages before so why not, right?"*
Indeed. The narrative of this video changed a lot while writing. It was supposed to BotW only, with only a minot mention of past sages. But... I just didn't have enough to write about, since we know so little about the sequel :(
@@MonsterMaze All good. :)
It's informative to consider the real-world inspirations for the seven sages, which are most likely the Saptarishi (literally, "Seven Sages") of Hinduism, who are said to reincarnate in each manvantara (age of being). The concept of seven wise persons in a group also occurs in the Sapta matrika (seven mothers) again of Hinduism, the Apkallu (Wise/Sages) of Babylon, and the Seven Lucky Gods of Taoism and Mahayana Buddhism.
I love this channel, very underrated.
I appreciate that!
The monks singing Africa is one of the best ideas ever. You cannot change my mind. What else would they do for 10,000 years
I'll never be able to get over the fact that Saria always just looks kind of sleepy.
Technically the Sages were the Champions so yeah, we should see the new Champions from BotW in part 2
hahaha the singing monks really got me XD
That would be dope I really want the sages to return they were so cool in oot
This video made my day
Yay new Monster Maze video! 😁
I would love a twist in breath of the wild 2 where Saria is still there, and still looks like a kid
I don't think they entirely left out of BOTW if because the word "champion" to sounds like "sage" in this context with the "Divine Beasts" being named after the pilot or Sages/Champion who operated it in which case Hestu was a sage as well not to mention Impa or any sheika tech lab director
Extra descendants makes sense. Based on the technology of the series, it makes sense most people would have multiple children to try to have at least one survive. That means there is a chance of 2 surviving, and therefore multiple people having one common earliest ancestor.
Likely a genetic link makes it easier for an ancient sage to reincarnate or to be mantled by the person in the game.
Wait, this isn't an untitled goose game theory about the lore
That sing along joke cracked me up