Also noteworthy this mission is that you *finally* get to use Chimeras who were absent in Reign of Chaos. But the Mountain Giants not being happy, that's a real downer.
I loved the mission idea, but even on normal I hated pushing into the bases, because one wrong move and you wipe because there's just so much stuff coming at you.
Archer's are medium armor, so they take reduced damage from croatl... but have 310hp so they still die almost instantly. It's so bad. XD Also, victory is ours while an archer in the background gets eaten.
I'm pretty sure they kept attacking Maiev's original base because you still had your production structures there. Also, hate to be that person, but you missed another Amulet of Spell Shield :^)
It does look like the Shadow Orb lets Maiev attack air. Still doesn't have a proper orb effect, though, so it shouldn't hurt anything to stack another orb on her.
@@JayborinoPlays I saw that. Very strange. There is also the option of the Orb of Venom from the Ancient of Wonders, but it's less clear that that's better than her other options. Not criticizing your item choices, just commenting on what's available.
Jayborino, this would probably be a lot easier if you had Chimeras and Druids of the Talon in Storm Crow form. Yes, it'll take longer, but it'll be easier for you to wreck the naga base.
This is where I abandoned Hard difficulty. I could destroy the first base, but kept losing units under Illidan and the other Naga hero attacks. I literally ragequitted lol, gonna play on normal for the rest of the game.
Besides the slight upgrade look on all the units is there any difference between reforged and the classic version? I'm just not seeing it. I guess this is good for those who didn't grow up playing WC3, but that's about it.
I wouldn't say its a slight graphics upgrade (its pretty big), but yes, there are other changes. I am going to concentrate on campaign since thats what I played in classic as well, I didn't mess with multiplayer. 1. Widescreen support. 2. A couple of completely new Prologue missions that didn't exist in classic. 3. Minor balance changes made with unit stats and items available in campaigns (I don't have a list of all the changes made). 4. Some maps were reworked a bit, some were reworked a TON (Culling of Stratholme map plays completely differently and was redesigned). Those are 4 that I can think of, but there are probably more.
"Hey bro, just gonna kill the Lich King. You know, that undead guy who's been blighting your forest. Got any tips so I don't accidentally, I don't know, blow up the planet or faceplant into his sword?" Seriously just how dumb is Illidan? He wouldn't even need to speak _more_ words, just actually say something meaningful and save his BDSM dirty talk with Maiev for afterwards.
Yeah, but "so you are trying to tell me that undead minions of legion were not, in fact, minions of legion, and one guy told you how to kill a Commander of legion so now you work for master of legion to kill that guy?"
@@Larow17 As far as we're told Malfurion does not know about Illidan's encounter with Arthas, or at least not the contents of their conversation. Nor does anyone (even us players at this point!) know the identity of Illidan's "new master". _Illidan_ is the one taking the initiative to even bring him up here, which is yet another monumentally stupid move both strategically (alerting Maiev and other enemies to the possibility of reinforcements!) and in terms of his personal relationships. Whether the Scourge still serves the Legion or not doesn't really matter in this context. Pretty much all the living want them gone for good regardless. Just bring up the Lich King as the commander of the Scourge and leave his allegiances open. Even better for Illidan IIRC the arc with Tyrande unfolds without his direct contribution beyond fleeing at the end of this mission, so Malfurion would have a personal reason to ensure they don't get a second chance (though in that scenario he would need to rethink the "melting the North Pole" plan and then flee anyway, otherwise Malfurion will still see him as the greater threat).
I know what you mean but i was trying to point at is that of Illidan were to explain his reason and knowledge. There would be no reason to trust him since he already absrobed demonic Energy (big no no), enlisted faction hostile to night elves and would have to explain to them how come that he knows so much about undead and how come they didn't lose when Legion was pushed back. From Malfurion's point of view it would be that disgraced and corrupted Illidan and his band of serpents with hate boners for NE were trying to optain demonic artifact to fight an enemy who was unheard of. He should have tried to convinced them before Talking to naga and the it would be possible to come up with a plan that would be smarter than "just nuke this whole place XD"
@@Larow17 Well I certainly wouldn't expect the two brothers to collaborate on anything other than a direct assault on their homeland or Tyrande being in immediate mortal peril. But you must agree that (selectively) telling his actual plan can't really go _worse_ than what Illidan actually did, which still involved the serpents with murderboners channelling a spell to melt/crack open the planet. If nothing else knowing the target to be a common enemy might have caused Malfurion to hesitate a bit, buying Illidan enough time to doom the Lich King before being stopped. No idea how Kil'Jaeden would act in that case but as of WC3 canon the Scourge certainly isn't doing much to _hold back_ the Burning Legion or otherwise dissuade them from invading again immediately.
@@Photoloss of course I agree that it wouldn't be worse. Illidan was acting like he wanted to pose as a bad guy. He only lacks mustache to complite villian bingo. I just thing he wildly miss his cue to inform anyone not to stop him
How come your game didn't crash near Illidan's base? I literally been waiting for my ticket answered and couldn't proceed the campaign without cheating.
With the bullshit claim that Blizzard made, in regards to "anything fan-made belongs to Blizzard" How do you see the modding scene / custom campaign scene for the Reforge?
Pretty sure that clause was added to prevent another DOTA. Otherwise I doubt Activision-Blizzard has the time and resources to chase down every amateur modder trying to make a buck off of a custom map.
It’s just because you didn’t use the duids of the talent hahahah they are the perfect anti air just like the bear form of the D-O-Claw , also you didn’t use chimeras lol
This was a hard mission Jay but still it took you far less than it took me to finish it :). Just a friendly note in case you ever decide to replay this map for any reason, at maiev's starting base there are some turtles on the beach southeast of her base ( reachable only by blink ). One of the turtles drops a consumable that can help you with defending :) .
And they never bothered to fix the lightening shit... typical blizzard not giving a shit. I've been looking for a workaround for this for awhile but clearly it hasn't been discovered if you are just playing through it... sigh
Illidan: "Too bad you can't see things my way"
Tyrande: "You literally can't see"
Also noteworthy this mission is that you *finally* get to use Chimeras who were absent in Reign of Chaos. But the Mountain Giants not being happy, that's a real downer.
Was that the case in classic? I remember only being able to use them on the Dalaran mission where they just destroyed the buildings.
They are actually in the final Nelf mission now :)
And in this campaign you can build watcher units now.
Tyrande to Ilidan: That's why I chose your brother over you.
Jay: Oooh! Roasted!
I loved the mission idea, but even on normal I hated pushing into the bases, because one wrong move and you wipe because there's just so much stuff coming at you.
Archer's are medium armor, so they take reduced damage from croatl... but have 310hp so they still die almost instantly. It's so bad. XD
Also, victory is ours while an archer in the background gets eaten.
I'm pretty sure they kept attacking Maiev's original base because you still had your production structures there. Also, hate to be that person, but you missed another Amulet of Spell Shield :^)
RIP to anyone whos really sensitive to light on these maps.
Illidan Lord of the Simp
SKELETONS!!
AAAHHHHH
the naga race are strong they can wipe out enemy base with ease wish there was a naga custum campaign
actually my friend there is a naga custom campaign, its called the frozen tides and can be found in hive workshop
Actually tyrande, maiev has every right to judge you.
IKR!
lol
True!
I always enjoy that Ty went there because she felt guilty but Maiev called her out on it with her usual rudeness so she was like "Fuck you!".
It does look like the Shadow Orb lets Maiev attack air. Still doesn't have a proper orb effect, though, so it shouldn't hurt anything to stack another orb on her.
Usually I'd give her the Orb of Slow, but they inexplicably replaced it on mission 4 with a Rusty Mining Pick
@@JayborinoPlays I saw that. Very strange. There is also the option of the Orb of Venom from the Ancient of Wonders, but it's less clear that that's better than her other options. Not criticizing your item choices, just commenting on what's available.
Jayborino, this would probably be a lot easier if you had Chimeras and Druids of the Talon in Storm Crow form. Yes, it'll take longer, but it'll be easier for you to wreck the naga base.
These Night Elves and their drama llamas~
I guess when you get to be like 10,001 years old you accumulate alot of emotional baggage
Ten thousand years will give you such a crick in the neck!
Blizzard wanted this to be on one client but they didnt even connect the items from RoC
I remember rushing the first naga base with Maiev's initial army. It was in normal difficulty, tho
You'd get crushed in hard. Hard AI has very good micro and is programmed to focus on the weakest units to get alot of kills
This is where I abandoned Hard difficulty. I could destroy the first base, but kept losing units under Illidan and the other Naga hero attacks. I literally ragequitted lol, gonna play on normal for the rest of the game.
I thought the lightening was my videocard dying
I am watching both the old WC3 campaign and these new ones cuz I am that miserable
I am the only one who prefers classic water texture ... this looks like ectoplasm or tempera xD
Why would u repair trees with wisps if u can uproot them and make them eat trees
Besides the slight upgrade look on all the units is there any difference between reforged and the classic version? I'm just not seeing it. I guess this is good for those who didn't grow up playing WC3, but that's about it.
I wouldn't say its a slight graphics upgrade (its pretty big), but yes, there are other changes. I am going to concentrate on campaign since thats what I played in classic as well, I didn't mess with multiplayer.
1. Widescreen support.
2. A couple of completely new Prologue missions that didn't exist in classic.
3. Minor balance changes made with unit stats and items available in campaigns (I don't have a list of all the changes made).
4. Some maps were reworked a bit, some were reworked a TON (Culling of Stratholme map plays completely differently and was redesigned).
Those are 4 that I can think of, but there are probably more.
27:39 first time Jay called Tranquility by its name instead of Rejuv, cool.
Was thinking of getting the game but will see. Keep up the vids man i like it.
Bro i really love ur Warcraft 3 videos keep up the good work
"Hey bro, just gonna kill the Lich King. You know, that undead guy who's been blighting your forest. Got any tips so I don't accidentally, I don't know, blow up the planet or faceplant into his sword?"
Seriously just how dumb is Illidan? He wouldn't even need to speak _more_ words, just actually say something meaningful and save his BDSM dirty talk with Maiev for afterwards.
Yeah, but
"so you are trying to tell me that undead minions of legion were not, in fact, minions of legion, and one guy told you how to kill a Commander of legion so now you work for master of legion to kill that guy?"
@@Larow17 As far as we're told Malfurion does not know about Illidan's encounter with Arthas, or at least not the contents of their conversation. Nor does anyone (even us players at this point!) know the identity of Illidan's "new master". _Illidan_ is the one taking the initiative to even bring him up here, which is yet another monumentally stupid move both strategically (alerting Maiev and other enemies to the possibility of reinforcements!) and in terms of his personal relationships.
Whether the Scourge still serves the Legion or not doesn't really matter in this context. Pretty much all the living want them gone for good regardless. Just bring up the Lich King as the commander of the Scourge and leave his allegiances open. Even better for Illidan IIRC the arc with Tyrande unfolds without his direct contribution beyond fleeing at the end of this mission, so Malfurion would have a personal reason to ensure they don't get a second chance (though in that scenario he would need to rethink the "melting the North Pole" plan and then flee anyway, otherwise Malfurion will still see him as the greater threat).
I know what you mean but i was trying to point at is that of Illidan were to explain his reason and knowledge. There would be no reason to trust him since he already absrobed demonic Energy (big no no), enlisted faction hostile to night elves and would have to explain to them how come that he knows so much about undead and how come they didn't lose when Legion was pushed back.
From Malfurion's point of view it would be that disgraced and corrupted Illidan and his band of serpents with hate boners for NE were trying to optain demonic artifact to fight an enemy who was unheard of.
He should have tried to convinced them before Talking to naga and the it would be possible to come up with a plan that would be smarter than "just nuke this whole place XD"
@@Larow17 Well I certainly wouldn't expect the two brothers to collaborate on anything other than a direct assault on their homeland or Tyrande being in immediate mortal peril. But you must agree that (selectively) telling his actual plan can't really go _worse_ than what Illidan actually did, which still involved the serpents with murderboners channelling a spell to melt/crack open the planet. If nothing else knowing the target to be a common enemy might have caused Malfurion to hesitate a bit, buying Illidan enough time to doom the Lich King before being stopped. No idea how Kil'Jaeden would act in that case but as of WC3 canon the Scourge certainly isn't doing much to _hold back_ the Burning Legion or otherwise dissuade them from invading again immediately.
@@Photoloss of course I agree that it wouldn't be worse. Illidan was acting like he wanted to pose as a bad guy. He only lacks mustache to complite villian bingo.
I just thing he wildly miss his cue to inform anyone not to stop him
Be safe Jayborino
well done!!!!!!keep it up,Jay;)
Record more jayborino, this quarantine is killing haha
ikr
Waitting for next RA2 video
How come your game didn't crash near Illidan's base? I literally been waiting for my ticket answered and couldn't proceed the campaign without cheating.
This might be a dumb question but how do you key bind lol
Hold ctrl+(number)
Is this the only map where you control three heroes of one faction?
No there is also in the blood elf campaign in the outland missions where you control illidan, kealthas and vashj
With the bullshit claim that Blizzard made, in regards to "anything fan-made belongs to Blizzard" How do you see the modding scene / custom campaign scene for the Reforge?
Pretty sure that clause was added to prevent another DOTA. Otherwise I doubt Activision-Blizzard has the time and resources to chase down every amateur modder trying to make a buck off of a custom map.
Maybe you can eat trees with ancient protector restore his hp and don't spend gold for restoring his hp 🙂
Nice one m8 keep up the good work this one is so hard and taht botched attack ooff casualties are high hehe GG m8 and good night
It’s just because you didn’t use the duids of the talent hahahah they are the perfect anti air just like the bear form of the D-O-Claw , also you didn’t use chimeras lol
Druids of the Talent sounds like they'd be a great addition to the game
@@JayborinoPlaysand they are, they have magic attack (+60)
@@erashade Druids of the Talon*, my friend.
@@JayborinoPlays ahahahahahah right I've made a mistake
This was a hard mission Jay but still it took you far less than it took me to finish it :). Just a friendly note in case you ever decide to replay this map for any reason, at maiev's starting base there are some turtles on the beach southeast of her base ( reachable only by blink ). One of the turtles drops a consumable that can help you with defending :) .
the old version is less stuck fiesta
And they never bothered to fix the lightening shit... typical blizzard not giving a shit. I've been looking for a workaround for this for awhile but clearly it hasn't been discovered if you are just playing through it... sigh
Those royal guards are very rude stuns channel people
Legit can't beat this mission on hard.
Welcome back
yeah i hate reforged
and i love clasic one
Its amazing how all of the night elf characters in the campaigns are dislikeable
Nah, is just broke cause reforge 3 month has passed and still is full of a shit town of bugs
Maiev is just a terrible person :(