Queens at Heart (1967)

[@sabahleilee1250]

They were so patient and polite answering intrusive questions.

[@boujiebarbie3198]

Exactly. Answering very intrusive questions. They answered with such manners and had very sweet personalities. I would've walked out of the interview😅

[@LiveDonkeyDeadLion]

As a hetro cis male ally, I feel embarrassed that the interviewer is clearly more obsessed with their sex lives than anything else and can’t help but admire these amazing women for their bravery and strength. Especially as they had to sit there and see what happened with the first interview and wait for their turn to face the same. I hope they got the life they dreamed of having

[@williekosters7898]

The shoulders we stand on. What they had to endure, like this interview. Respect.

[@Faus4us_Official]

It helps to revisit.

[@niallblack2794]

"You're one of the more taller drag queens around.
Oh, but I'm one of the more beautiful ones, darling."

[@vn43twelve]

queen shit

[@Faus4us_Official]

Ladies through and through lol

[@SRLovesPandas1]

Classic shade lol

[@ZZSmithReal]

Based on his questions, it was a good thing that the interviewer kept both of his hands on the desk.

[@neoclassica2700]

Vicky is beautiful both inside and out. Vulnerable, good hearted and so honest (considering this is essentially an exploitation movie). I really hope life went well for her. She couldn't pass for a guy even when she tried. All woman, and the producers seemed to recognise this and state so. Sonia too.

[@jamiecurran3544]

I completely agree!🙂👍

[@themorticians]

Through 21st century eyes the interviewer and his questions may come off as intrusive or offensive, but for 1967, I actually think he's doing his best as a "square" to understand his guests and trans life, and perhaps educate his mainstream audience.

[@annaarkless5822]

i love seeing trans history. we were always forced into the shadows, having our lives obscured from the future - getting to see trans people from the past shows us how far we've come.

[@bogmanhimself4656]

i often see the baffling claim that being trans was "invented" in 2017 when it became a trend on tiktok, or earlier in 2014 because of tumblr, or in 2007 because of reality TV or some other nonsense. But the reality is that we've always been around. and for christ's sake, some of our most famous WW2 veterans were trans too! and sometimes it takes diving into historical documentation like this (yes even a 1967 exploitation film made by chasers lol) to remind myself of things like that. so glad this is up on the internet

[@annaarkless5822]

​@@bogmanhimself4656 god i hate when transphobes hit you with the "but being trans wasnt a thing back in the day". trans people have existed since at least ancient egypt (although it almost certainly has been since humans first came about), our history was just mostly erased and ignored - with rare gems like this existing to remind us that our history is as rich as everyone elses!

[@franco77marie]

@@annaarkless5822 way back in Biblical times. Genesis 19:1-29. Sodom's Depravity. Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed.

[@barndancer6149]

What part of "each one of these contestants is a man" don't you understand? They were gay men this is a drag show. Drag is gay culture. Stop the trans lies. Stop appropriating gay history. #transwashing

[@barndancer6149]

@@annaarkless5822 #transwashing

[@naobeau5124]

What an incredible piece of history. I hope those women got the happiness they deserved. Thank you for uploading this.

[@ayootaee]

why are thankful they uploaded this?

[@jdvlop]

@@ayootaee why do think so Tae?

[@franco77marie]

Everyone is gay gay gay

[@georgiagirl2329]

They are not women they are men!!!

[@vickiebunch6405]

These women were pioneers and deserve the credit for making a way for people like Ru Paul.

[@petsitter1969]

We have come a long way. Sadly not long enough. I hope all these ladies got everything they wanted from life. It would be interesting to see how their stories turned out.

[@huitrecouture]

Because all the MTF AGPs hijacked TRUE TRANSEXUALS and started coming for our children. Children can NOT consent and there are NO IRREVERSABLE drugs so every medical transition is PERMANENT.

[@Dannymart_88445]

We didn't go anywhere. 60 years later trans people are still getting hated

[@johntindillier15]

You mean these men

[@neoclassica2700]

Why the thumbs down 🤔 I hope someone didn't take issue with the mixed up definitions of what it is to be trans. These girls are girls, not drag queens. The language was evolving at this time and will seem clunky compared with now, that's history. Plus, this is an exploitation movie, not a serious documentary, albeit, not that bad given the times. Knowing the history of the trans movement is important.

[@angelo1962]

He's saying they are homosexuals to their faces all the time. That made me feel uneasy.

[@zoezakel1239]

They admit themselves that they are gay males 🙄 Nothing about them reads as women.

[@MrJarobas]

@@angelo1962 That sounds flawed today, but perhaps he could not come up with a better term. After all, it was 1967. And those lovely girls did not correct him, either. Anyway, he seemed to me quite humane and understanding in his last statement: "Who are we to judge them"?

[@mattelboy]

Love discovering archival footage on trans history. 1967 was truly not that long ago.

[@PandoraJonesmodel]

It feels long! I was born that year lol

[@vanessaclark3443]

Thank you again for uploading and freely sharing this with us! Such an important slice of trans history despite the exploitative nature of the interviewing.

[@susanparker3699]

Thanks for sharing this on Twitter, Vanessa.

[@ayootaee]

why is it an important slice of trans history?

[@ghetto_rats4980]

@@ayootaee because people think trans people just popped up out of no where when we have always been here 😂

[@samantham6375]

I urgently need update of Vicki… i’m praying she had beautiful life she really deserved… all these people in video were fabulous and handsome. God bless their souls🙏🏻

[@SewardWriter]

Even without makeup, she was incredibly beautiful. I hope they all had (or have) happy lives, but especially Vicki. There's something incredibly fragile about her.

[@lauralaladarling3775]

Vicky looked like a pretty girl even in her trousers and top. Her body was like a girl's too. I hope she found happiness indeed all of them did. Xxx

[@KarlSnarks]

Haha yeah even when going through daily life dressed as a man, her femininity shines through. Hope she has lived/is living a happy life.

[@Jocelyn_Jade]

She was a pretty girl. Her body was a girl’s.

[@eugeniasyro5774]

Probably died of AIDS.

[@rosalina2773]

It’s interesting how much drag and trans were somewhat synonymous or at least overlapping in these days. In more recent times they are considered distinct things. I think part of that may be the necessity to hide your transness for safety. Although these trans girls aren’t drag queens as we would think of them today, they used drag as a way to dress as they wanted to when they had to dress how society expected in their everyday life. Very interesting look into how times have changed.

[@KarlSnarks]

Yeah while their inner experience was the same as it is for trans people now, they didn't have the same precise language and ideas on gender to express themselves and conceptualize their identity the same way. They understood that dressing as a woman for fun/show and and actually feeling like a woman is not the same, but drag definitely overlapped with trans people exploring their identity, and until they committed to hormones and surgery they were probably considered somewhat similar.
There's also another documentary, Paris is Burning, where you can see that even in the 80's the concepts of drag and transgender identity weren't as clearly distinct (if you've seen the tv-show Pose, it's based on that documentary)

[@glamnesianouveaux2039]

The footage of everyone dancing is THE best!!!!!!

[@monacheveres8701]

I know exactly how they feel because I started at around the same time 1967 68th living my life as a boy and the daytime and a girl at night time now I am called a transgender then I was called a sissy boy I got on hormones and I've lived My Life as a woman ever since then I am very happy in my life all I have to say is live your life💜

[@mint1114]

[@vn43twelve]

i’m so glad you’re happy ❤️

[@azure628]

I'm so happy for you. 😊❤

[@Franeeky]

🙄

[@EricBrito-fb7qt]

💕💕💕

[@Bananadiva1]

I wonder if all the women interviewed did get to have their change? I certainly hope so, especially for Vicky.

[@jonathanrio6587]

the questions this man is asking are crazy! I'm a 60's kid and remember this stuff. It's history!

[@iamhuld]

Thank you so much for the work restoring this. The restoration is gorgeous. Our trans elders' lives are so important to illuminate. The language they used was different, but their lived experience of themselves is not so different from today.
Also, I love how Vicky's "boy mode" looks like a lesbian more than any man.

[@teecee9113]

I remember being back in the 80's & some ladies from Le Girls were doing their show in a casino. I was a teenager & didn't know much about trans people, etc. I was in the womens loo & one of the ladies was doing her makeup & she smiled at me. I was blown away at how beautiful she was. I'm talking drop dead gorgeous. I would have loved to see the show but I was too young. 🙂♥️

[@robertzaborowski4656]

Simone is soooo pretty....and quite charming too....

[@Elvis-guy1973]

Very cute!

[@spg2a4]

I really hope it worked out for them all, and that they're happy

[@luketheduke626]

Sonia was so fish👏🏽🤭 i truly hope she led a fulfilling, authentic life!🩷💐

[@namafarm]

5:08 she's legendary whew... what a serious timelessness to some of these incredible costumes and Looks

[@clinkedylinkedy1]

SERIOUSLY i gasped at the beauty!

[@bambam6231973]

What is her name??

[@YouHaveBeenWatchingFilms]

Thank you for uploading this, I would never had chance to see it otherwise!

[@aetheraquafire]

People calling the interviewer "painful" fail to understand the comedy and theatrical value in his caught up rigid sounding straight man act. LOL!!! This footage is 100% historical GOLD.

[@pennyawful861]

Are you mad, groomer

[@KarlSnarks]

@@pennyawful861 Stfu transphobe. Your time is ending, freedom is unstoppable.

[@ehrichan6726]

@@pennyawful861we’re all mad bro.

[@Dannymart_88445]

​@@pennyawful861 and rightfully so, boomer

[@vickikeech7484]

These women are "boomers"

[@j.pablop.1998]

Amazing piece of history! It's really interesting to see people's points of view regarding the drag culture in the 60s. I wish we could know what happened with these beautiful girls! Too bad they seem a bit uncomfortable during the interview, especially Vicky...
PS: looooove her look 3:49

[@tygertone]

You'd be uncomfortable too if you were forced to sit on a tiny loveseat with three other full-grown adults!

[@Mark_T]

Those spoken words are so relateable to me and how I felt. What amazing content.❤

[@pirigonzalez5329]

Glad that I found this video. It was very nicely done and they all seemed shy and full of class.

[@roryyoooo]

This footage is amazing and so clear!

[@gsbrown318]

WOW! What a remarkable find! This is long before the Stonewall riots of 1969 when I was there and saw it all. But these early days of gay young men who regular during the day and Queens at night. What a Joy to live your life today with the advent of Same-sex Marriage.

[@KarlSnarks]

This was released in 1967, so not THAT long before Stonewall. But yeah we've come a long way since then. The recent backlash against trans people is very concerning though.

[@vn43twelve]

wow, you were at the stonewall riots? what do you think about the depictions you might’ve seen on tv/movies? what do you think young people should know about them?

[@azure628]

I was born on the same day the Stonewall riots began.

[@Critic823]

I’d love to know what happened to each of these women. If anyone has any information on them and where they ended up and how their lives ended up, I’d appreciate it!

[@williammials6080]

You know...Sometimes its better not knowing!

[@tmarsh666]

To the best of my knowledge, none of the fates of these ladies are known. I did hear a rumor that one of them may have been in an early trans magazine, but I don’t recall where I heard (or possibly read) it.

[@LannieLord]

Because they MIGHT wind up like Venus Extravaganza @@williammials6080

[@alexkx8599]

@@tmarsh666 When you say, "trans magazine", does that automatically mean, porn, or is that at least what you are saying?

[@tmarsh666]

@@alexkx8599 No, not at all. There were numerous LGBTQIA2S+ magazines during this time. One good example is ONE

[@neoclassica2700]

Drag events provided trans girls with a safe place to be themselves at this time. America is still a fairly conservative country when it comes to matters of sexuality when compared with say Western Europe.

[@ce23ana9]

No entiendo el ingles

[@gdeec]

They were so polished, sweet and polite.

[@evolution1013]

That apartment was so chic… everything comes back around

[@Thehammerofwhat]

thanks for uploading this

[@ehrichan6726]

It’s amazes me that what people used to think and say about transgender people in the 1960s like holy carp 🙀🙀

[@cherrylove3656]

didn't know it was that extensive back then I really feel for them in this video and all who are experiencing this pain in today's society they are not alone

[@rosalina2773]

Before WWII in Germany there was actually a sizeable trans population there. They had the worlds first gender research clinic, which was one of the first things that the n*zis burned.
People need to accept that you cannot suppress people like this from existing, bc they always will. When people complain about the extremism of LGBT activists today, they need to recognize that is in direct response to trying to suppress their existence. If the people opposing them didn’t make it such a big deal, then it wouldn’t be..

[@wendymoore5801]

This is not something "new". LGBTQ+ has been around since the beginning of time; it just had to be hidden.

[@royblack7305]

They were all convincing and very beautiful way ahead of their time .

[@sgd.6830]

All their honesty is beautiful but heartbreaking because it seems, that yes the world has come a long way in acceptance of these beautiful ladies.
I hope they have all had a happy life, it would be so nice to see some sort of follow up.
This is 1967, 57 years ago but this could be today 2024 💚🧡🌈

[@andywjackson1135]

Fabulously liked, thanks for sharing this fabulous film

[@vanessamonster5038]

Thanks for posting.

[@hansmir5443]

Amazing program 👏👏👏👏😊😊😊😊

[@DenitaArnold]

Sad that in that time they still considered gay as a mental illness 😢

[@tomtaft9861]

Simone could eat the interviewer for breakfast.. She's so coolly 5 steps ahead of him. You go girl!!

[@otisberlin]

The condescending tone of the interviewer is so hurtful and offensive. These women are incredibly brave and dignified in the face of such horrible discrimination and abuse.

[@LannieLord]

The tone of the interviewer is FUNNY and GOOFY ! LOL.

[@julieyoutu]

You need to relax honey. This was a 1967! There was no such thing it was the beginning and I think that he was pretty damn brave to take on this interview. I think that he treated them with respect he must’ve been sweating and super nervous, he had to put on an air for the cameras didn’t they? 🤷‍♀️

[@philmansfield8825]

I would imagine his colleagues being a bit " unsupportive". ​@@julieyoutu

[@DameHoracia]

Thankfully this was saved. Pity we don't know what happened to the girls.

[@williammials6080]

The Interviewer was a disaster! But those were the times! The times when you could not go out in public dressed in the opposite sex clothing! I hope all those girls found happiness, but my gut instinct says no because of the times and how people were wired in those days! Very Good documentary to look back on!

[@Madamemedusa1986]

Things still haven't changed

[@marysaunders8079]

@@Madamemedusa1986 things have changed back then it was illegal for them to even exist it’s not like that now there’s still a lot of hatred and bigotry now but it’s not as bad as it was back in 1960s there are trans now who have jobs houses and live relatively normal lives for there circumstances that was impossible back then

[@beebenson5139]

Interviewers less than 10 years ago were disasters as well, even mainstream ones.

[@rosalina2773]

I didn’t think it was so bad. It just came across like he didn’t know anything about their life and a little ignorant, but he seemed like he meant to be respectful. Some of the questions which would be considered rude today are just due to the times. Even in the 90’s and early 2000’s interviewers would ask everyone very invasive questions. Tbh it’s a relatively new thing to not ask inappropriately personal questions during interviews.

[@kidnap2010]

Absolutely not!!! He was totally respectful, never condescending or judgemental. Super classy and professional on the contrary. This was clearly a very positive recounting of trans women in the making, most of times they were disregarded by journalists as prostitutes or weirdos. He treated these girls as ladys with a lot of empathy. You must place yourself in the ideas of the time.

[@alwaysmanandwoman]

We always were, we always will be. This was made about the time I started to know that I was different, part of all our histories.

[@xochitlbk]

i really wish we could get a follow up on where these girls are now. I hope and pray they are still alive or at least led happy lives after this interview.

[@lenwhitney9483]

Much of the footage of the drag ball was earlier seen as part of the exploitation pseudo documentary THE WILD WILD WORLD OF JAYNE MANSFIELD

[@cammik2229]

Thank you for this I just finished watching the rest of the footage from the ball. I'm so glad the black queen won queen of the ball, she sat every other queen down that night.

[@joyciejd9673]

Grateful for this video. Thanks so much.

[@michaeltnewyorknights8413]

This was incredible!!

[@eugeniasyro5774]

You mean nasty!

[@michaeltnewyorknights8413]

@@eugeniasyro5774 no, exactly what I wrote. Take your stupid comment and shove it!

[@Sad_bumper_sticker.]

@@eugeniasyro5774

[@mickeymouse2able]

am the only one who thinks the interviewer in the beginning is quite respectful and nice to the people being interviewed? I love him. His demeanor seems years ahead of its time. Thank God for film...to quote Liza Minnelli in the docu-tainment "That's Entertainment". I think the ladies have very 1960s New York accents...or New Yawk.

[@kimakotrotman6860]

I think that it was a bad choice to quote Liza Minelli. She's been often fooled😝.

[@kalimanbuda6501]

Yes it is true, let's remember that, this arty audio-vision material was aired in a time when being gay was worse than being a criminal..I found the interviewer rather polite , considering the time in which such work was aired..men were even afraid of being seen talking to a gay or transgender ...I am not gay but I look up to the LGBT community for its tenacity throughout time

[@michaeltnewyorknights8413]

@@kalimanbuda6501 no one cares what your sexual preferences are...

[@silentstarlight3322]

@@michaeltnewyorknights8413 unfortunately people do

[@vn43twelve]

i think he is more respectful than others might have been at the time, but he is still talking loudly and interrupting and making the girls uncomfortable

[@mjmartins]

ok but why is everyone so gorgeous?

[@jimgravesus]

Why give these sweet creatures a hard time? Will the human race ever grow up?

[@lyndamonchak4072]

I sure hope that the human race does evolve, the sooner the better!

[@diamond.boyboy]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@michaelnapolitano4035]

The second was way ahead of her time explaining the difference between femme and gay

[@heatherporterfield7343]

Some of the footage shown here was used in the documentary "Screaming Queens, " a documentary on the riot at Comptons Cafe.

[@xochitlbk]

ok the way all these girls were STUNNING. something about the beauty standard backs then were so fab

[@cobbcountyga.housecleaning8004]

Contestant #89 The black trans women @4:58 - @4:59 was serving face body and realness very passable and gorgeous PAUSE @5:03

[@cammik2229]

As always the black queens shut these balls down. It's a shame their voices were never heard in these documentaries

[@cobbcountyga.housecleaning8004]

@@cammik2229 she was perfect gorgeous omg wonder who she was???

[@cobbcountyga.housecleaning8004]

@@cammik2229 the only beauty in the room

[@cammik2229]

@@cobbcountyga.housecleaning8004 I have no clue but I've just been watching the documentary the Wild Wild World of Jayne Mansfield which features more of this ball. The black queen actually won queen of the ball that night lol there's another tall black queen who was also gorgeous. There really was no competition that night. You should check it out on TH-cam

[@cobbcountyga.housecleaning8004]

@@cammik2229 thank you.... Glad to know she won something because anything else would have been PURE SHADE

[@Jackeeypoos]

4.45 u swear isn’t that crystal labeija!?
What a brilliant piece of history hope these woman found the happiness they deserve ❤

[@tmarsh666]

I don’t think that’s Crystal. Crystal had distinct beauty marks on her cheeks, it doesn’t appear this woman does, though.

[@cammik2229]

It's not crystal, but she was a labeija.

[@JC.Holland]

The way the interviewer is terrible, she is clearly telling him that she is girl and not a guy. ✊❤️

[@normanalston4531]

In the 70,s women dress beautiful ❤️

[@UnicornClone]

Thank God we've moved on from those ignorant times, people are able to be their true selves. Unfortunately there are those who would like to drag us all back there.

[@brie_lolll]

The interviewer is a condescending transmisogynist who should be quieter for the most part but the women are really iconic and lovely and I've never felt so connected with someone so distant from me. I love them, I cried during Simone and Vicki's interviews. Hearing them and the others talk about their lives, struggles and experiences is really uncanny because in a surprising amount of ways, things are exactly the same for us. It's really beautiful and sad and inspiring all at once. Really good insight into trans history.

[@MooPotPie]

The interviewer's "condescending transmisogyny" is quite typical of the mainstream ignorance at that time - and, to a large degree, our time today.

[@PrettyGoodLookin]

He asked direct questions. The interviewers questions made the interview informative.

[@brie_lolll]

@@PrettyGoodLookin 🤓

[@LannieLord]

I think he went home and j***ed off to all this.

[@rayarena879]

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Also, he almost seems to be getting off asking them those really personal questions. Honestly, he's kind of creepy.

[@DavidNPS]

Glad this was able to be restored ( amazing media restoration work, wow ) . The "interviewer" , more like a cUnservative police interrogator from Cleveland trying to spread his wings , interviewing people far more interesting than he could ever hope to be ... in his musty , wood - paneled basement.

[@muthamucka9009]

Actually, he's not doing a bad job, and is pretty respectful, when you consider the era this was filmed in & the complete lack of info around at the time.

[@alexreid1173]

⁠@@muthamucka9009
Asking for info about sexual experiences is not particularly respectful and wouldn’t have been considered very respectful at the time either (at least if you were talking to straight, gender-conforming people). For the time, though, it definitely could have been worse.

[@rodneycorbit3259]

I love this time & era

[@kastnesg]

Modest, Honest and Beautiful 💚

[@dnally7864]

I'm mindful of a quotewhich is apt for courage of these women: " When you go out at the start of your day's endeavours the fact that you are not preceded by a marching band and crowds of cheering people it doesn't make your endeavours any less heroic"
I'm hetrosexual but let me tell you I worked with men who would be considered Red blooded males in tooth and claw, but when they were out in Singapore they went all the with Lady Boys there(Men who dress as women),and they were pre op. My work mates admitted they were stunning.
There was a tv program on in the UK about gay men serving in the armed forces during the war. A gay man serving in the Navy " I was sleeping in my bunk when young man slipped in between the sheets. He said "What are you doing".He said "You remind me of my girlfriend" and had consensual sex with him. What annoyed the gay man was this other young man ignored him the next day. I condider myself a straight man but anybody who denies these 3 trans women are not stunning is lying to himself. Sex is complicated, and is in the mind. I read a lot of straight men in Prison are "Gay for the Stay" As i said - Sex is complicated and in the mind. I hope these trans women lived happy peaceful and prosperous lives.They deserve it. After all,who did they kill,who did they rob,who did they bomb,who did the strafe,from whom did they steal?

[@ratdog6317]

it's really not as complicated as its made out to be honestly. people are homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. i think people just overcomplicate it to avoid having to face certain things. there are men like the ones you listed who claim to be heterosexuals when they're really bisexual and usually closeted, they just have a much stronger leaning/preference towards women which is why they werent getting with men as frequently/regularly or were only getting with men when they went to prison, the military, etc. other times they are homosexual and they just like/prefer feminine men such as the ones in singapore you mentioned, but theyre closeted which is why they claim to be heterosexual, and then on top of that people just assume that if hes masculine/macho then he couldn't possibly be homosexual when in reality that's not true since homosexual doesn't inherently equally feminine

[@deonwhite201]

Very interesting video and thank you 🙏 for sharing

[@andreapandypetrapan]

This film is a scream! Thank you dear UCLA FTA.
A dazzlingly interesting and amusing and anecdotal insight into then contemporary self-understandings and models of physiological sex types, trans surgery, trans identity, erotic identities, "effeminacy", etc , etc.
These adorable people are really witty and articulate and so NY in your face.
The text-book tussle between radical trans identity and the more traditional male gay-homosexual politics is razor sharp and very provocative.
These splendid sensuous-embodied people were and are existential pioneers at the forefront of sex-and-gender and trans politics and consciousness and aesthetics and being!
What wonderful beautiful lovely people ........
Love andrea

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

They seem trans to me in 2024.
But were they actually trans?
Or gay?

[@thefreshmaker001]

It is important to honor the memory of those who came before us.

[@reneemartin943]

Such Beauty they are 🌈🌈🌈

[@thema1998]

Today is the *3* year anniversary of when "Queens at Heart" was uploaded! I seriously wonder if any of these women survived past the '80s and '90s. To say that the HIV/AIDS crisis did a number on the LGBTQ+ community would be an understatement! 🤓➡️🤔

[@LannieLord]

I'll bet ONE out the four survived.

[@JuliaYamYam]

>boymoding, 1967

[@gdeec]

I always wonder if years of bullying did not happen, would I have chosen or different life path or even lived to write the books I did. xoxo

[@lilac2192]

I’m glad TH-cam recommended me this

[@IngenerateIngenue]

All unique people…I really like Simone and hope she’s had a happy life.

[@truthray2885]

I feel sorry for them. They seem genial enough. This world isn't easy to navigate, and I hope they all made it through. They'd be in their 80s now.

[@smurf902]

Drag was drag then and still is drag. I cant stand how they lump in "trans" into this. Drag is performative, trans is very different, wanting to live as a woman and change their body.

[@alexreid1173]

I’m not sure what your point is. The people interviewed in this said they were taking hormones and wanted surgery. The word transgender wasn’t really in popular use at the time, so the terminology is different, but they clearly don’t want to be men.

[@democron341]

@@alexreid1173 They were transsexuals. Those people were night and day compared to the the transgender umbrella. One of my oldest friends, god rest their soul, was a transsexual. Great person, sadly not here right now, although with the way things are I am sort of glad as well. Transgender doesn't mean these people anymore, don't let it fool you.

[@alexreid1173]

@@democron341 As someone who has worked with hundreds of trans people in the past decade, most trans people are very similar to these people. The word transsexual mostly fell out of favor because it sounds too much like a sexual orientation… trans people exist in real life, not just on online and propagandistic spaces

[@elberethreviewer5558]

This interview is hard to watch. Why do I get the feeling this scared the shit out of everyone except the interviewer. Some of the questions are very personal.

[@tonyjohnson9124]

Can anyone give us an update what happened to these women in life and if any of them are still alive?

[@malancy]

Drag queens

[@celladora31]

We should all look this good.
Should have made this a series.

[@eugeniasyro5774]

Many real women DO look as good or better, without wigs.

[@celladora31]

@@eugeniasyro5774 so include them too. Men used to wear wigs in other centuries as well the women. It's a great way to change your hair without changing your hair.

[@adrina911]

Crystal Labejia was beautiful and real, she was the black girl in all white with the bikini top. She started her own balls uptown in Harlem for the black and Latino girls who were discriminated against at these white balls and they never won.

[@tmarsh666]

She was the queen of the house system-nobody can ever take that from her. I don’t think she is in QAH though, none of the women have her distinct beauty marks that she possessed.

[@teijaflink2226]

Very interesting, I can't imagine these women having an easy life 60 years ago, hope they lived a good life and where able to be themselves.

[@kayla_white01]

I guess im pretty lucky i was able to transition in a better environment and pass to where i dont have to receive any hate.

[@kenishaC]

Sonya looks like Rocky (Raquel Santiago) from the bad girls club

[@turdl3261]

theyre so cool

[@neilb4027]

Does anyone know what happened to them?

[@somersetdc]

I'm trying to figure out what accent these women have? New York maybe?

[@LannieLord]

The lady in RED has a Spanish / Latin accent that sounds New York-ish . The blond lady in the KNIT TOP who is very shy and seems very uncomfortable - same thing Latin/ Spanish via NYC / Bronx - a little bit. The lady in the huge BLACK WIG sounds like she is from Boston / Mass. The blond in the black feather dress that she made herself -- has NO detectable accent (to me . I'm from NY) . Does this make sense ?

[@kingpig5407]

3:46 what's this music ?

[@priestlylemon]

I’m curious too, it’s beautiful

[@tajblackproj]

About 3 minutes in everybody in the Dance Hall is doing a particular dance, it's so cool. Does anybody know the name of that dance?? ✌

[@LannieLord]

I don't think it has a name -- but a LOT of people did this same dance back then. I wish 1960s "groovy , mod, go-go" dancing would make a come back like ballroom dancing did.

[@sharksport01]

The music is fantastic!

[@JRZTXN]

I love seeing this history. I also love seeing the hair piece of the man questioning the ladies. Time stamp begins at 6:30.

[@doubledeckers]

You write about the interviewer being creepy and inappropriate. But you use the word "queer" which gay people of that generation would have found very offensive. Many of us still do. It isn't OK just because people in universities have decided it is now fine.
Nevertheless a very interesting film.

[@JenniOlsonSF]

Hi @doubledeckers - thank you for this observation about the use of the word queer. I do tend to forget that it is a term that some people still find offensive even in an LGBTQ context. Certainly I hope you understand where it's coming from - it's how I identify and so I do tend to use it by default, but of course I'm well aware of its origins. (I actually also identify strongly with the term "d*ke" - which I'm not spelling out because I think the TH-cam AI filter might not allow it). Thank you for taking the time to post.

[@justinfoy9505]

Sounds like you're not comfortable with who you are I probably identify as queer and trans gender when you're comfortable with who you are you are not easily offended by things like that you have a long way to go

[@JR-pc5pj]

Love to know “where are they now”.

[@atmproductions11]

Does anyone know how Simone is doing today?

[@tmarsh666]

To our knowledge, the fates of these ladies are not known. I did hear rumors that one of them might’ve been in an early trans magazine, but I can’t remember where I heard that.

[@grahamfield6173]

fascinating

[@PussPussASMR]

This is not a complete Documentary without ME!

[@tygertone]

Were you alive back then?

[@LannieLord]

She's 98 now. @@tygertone

[@tygertone]

yes, but a toddler, only 2 & 3.

[@chrisintx5844]

And the sun still sets ☺️

[@dennisleporte2327]

Come far