It's pretty hilarious watching this video hours after I reviewed and merged like 5 fixes for issues you talked about lol. Most are fixed already in 6.1.1 and 6.1.2! Please do report the multiscreen maximized NVIDIA glitch though. I haven't seen any existing bug reports for it.
This bug or similar happens when using AMD hardware as well but it only happens when using Wayland. When the is coming from maximize to restore state it flashes briefly on second monitor. I've only notice this with Firefox and chrome browser. I am guessing Xwayland and or Wayland not sure
The clicking in the blurred parts to exit edit mode is most likely to mimic what people expect out of a modal dialog say a website pops up for settings or something. It dims the background and you're supposed to be able to click out of the modal to dismiss it, so having that here as well makes sense, I can see a lot of people defaulting to that
@5:58 this was one of the things that just felt SO RIGHT to me, I didn't think about it and it worked as I expected. It is really cool how your experience is different!! Goes to show how "difficult" UX/UI can be.
To me this seems like how I would expect Windows to work. Which to me as a Windows user switching to Linux feels intuitive. Maybe they are trying to cater to a broader audience. If that makes sense
"Eventually the cursor becomes so big, that it becomes bigger than the WM itself, but if we keep growing the cursor for a few minutes, the kernel panics"
I wish kwin devs would finally fix the issue that causes global font blurring when using kwin effects such as "invert", "high contrast", lightlyshaders(!), and so on while fractional scaling is active. I also miss latte-dock.
Plasma fixes bugs pretty quickly and devs are responsive to complaints. It's completely opposite to Gnome, where they ignore you and if they respond, they tell you, it's all good, even if it's not. It's like talking with idiots. That is one of many reasons why I left Gnome and never looked back. Plasma is addictive ;). I love the shake cursor feature! I had to many times "loosing" the cursor and was wildly shaking it, in hope I will notice it somewhere. Now it's easier. Blurry part will be fixed, so no problem. You forgot about bugs with panel and moving icons on a task manager, but it's known and fixed with the next patch. Ah, what do you know? The patch update 6.1.1 is already waiting to be installed! Great!
started using KDE since 4.6 on ChakraOS (which I helped to maintain), and when KDE released their first plasma 6 beta version I started using the git version (still using)...on openSUSE tumbleweed ....yes yes I'm that kind of masochist
I absolutely love KDE plasma. It is probably one of the best computer experiences I have ever had. It isn’t perfect, but definitely better than Windows that plasters ads every where, pushes its own garbage on you, purposefully breaks customization programs. Definitely got its issues, but damn they do good work
the limitation is in the library tho, at least with wayland that problem is easy to fix, they could just throw always the rasters cursors and completely switch to svg cursors, that's what the new protocol can do, now on xorg....
@@vilian9185 I believed KDE even had plans to use hyprcursor as a standard since hyprcursor accomplishes exactly what is needed for SVG cursors... maybe not a universal standard at this point, but hopefully more progress is made
the edge barrier feels momentum-based to me. if I move the cursor quickly between screens it's like it's not even there, but if I move the mouse very delicately then it takes a long time to overcome that barrier. maybe there's a "hidden" speed threshold above which the additional distance you set is ignored, and only when you move your mouse slow enough the distance calculation takes effect I still experience kwin freezing for 1-2ms when opening overview mode via the Meta key as shortcut (modifier-only shortcut), and I have my kwin cache in a tmpfs
KDE has a great bug tracker! I searched for my bug for a few minutes and found a few others that had my issue. I don't know if it was just luck, but they claimed to have fixed the issue in only a few days! (now I just have to wait until it hits my distro repos). I think the edge barrier isn't customizable enough, nor is it something that I would want to be on by default. In my opinion the velocity threshold to skip it needs to be configurable as well as the distance.
I'm not gonna lie, the mouse cursor growing is pretty damn neat when shaking. I don't think they should fix the "bug" as that seems more like a feature if you ask me
From what I understand, the adaptive sync problem occurs on other operating systems as well. When looking to buy my monitor, the review site rtings mentioned flickering with it enabled.
i had a similar issue a while ago (i think it was with the proprietary nvidia drivers on X11). The funny part was that i had seen that issue on Windows before as well, but specifically only when playing Terraria in fullscreen. Doing that on Linux though, there was actually no flickering, it was the desktop that was flickering instead. Changing the refresh rate of my monitors down to 60hz also made the flicker go away.
As far as i understand its a monitor config issue where the minimum and maximum framerates are farther apart than expected so when it rapidly changes back and forth the brightness changes cause a flicker. This can be fixed by changing your monitors edid file to bring the minimum and maximum refresh rates closer together. I personally dont know how to do this but if someone figures it out please do share :)
Yeah, as someone with eyesight issues, I usually need to use the magnifier. The jumping around can be just a tad bit much, but otherwise, this is shaped up to be an amazing update. If you want my experience as someone who actively uses the zooming feature day to day, I usually, typically, zoom out when messing with widgets anyway.
I hope they don't add the limit, it's funny. 7:04 Zoom could be locked to the desktop/thing you are looking at. So when the desktop is pushed right, the "camera" follows it.
That *might* be governed by the animation speed setting, or desktop effects animation speed - something like that that I can't double check as I'm on mobile rn. Personally, I'm always happy with the fastest possible or even better, no animations.
If I remember correctly, you can change the effect from flying away to flying "into the background" and disappearing. It's the desktop overview effect of something like that.
@@prgnify The issue is not in the speed they have, although this adds to confusion, but in the very fact that some windows *from a different screen* just casually fly by when you enter or leave Edit mode. IDK about you but it's not something I expect to see.
"Plasma 6.1 took the base that Plasma 6.0 was and... Mostly improves upon it. But it did end up revealing and creating a number of new bugs" Pretty much every release of KDE Plasma ever at this point lets be honest aha
Ah yes the edge barrier, I noticed that too, seems the intention is that it's not a fixed distance, but rather a number of px with a movement speed multiplier. So for slower movement the distance is much greater and for faster movements the distance is much shorter.
My personal favorite 6.1 feature is the corner barriers. I used to whip my cursor into corners a lot on Windows, and not having this when I switched to Linux was extremely jarring. Now if only we could copy panels between screens...
I can finally switch from Gnome to Plasma. Plasma 6.1 is the first release that works with comparable performance to Gnome and without major crashes when running the Nouveau driver on RTX 2000+ series cards. Things are really coming together with Nouveau, nvk, and the mesa project as a whole for recent Nvidia cards. Between the GSP driver updates from kernel 6.7+ and this update to Plasma, Nvidia cards using Nouveau are becoming much more viable as a daily driver.
Re: Desktop configuration margins: Clicking out of something to reset it to default mode feels like a natural UX. It's a gut feeling, I can't explain (and shouldn't -- what feels intuitive is what the question is about).
great work kde team keep doing what you do 6.2 looks gorgeous i couldnt fault your hard work like i did in the past you do what you do best no point judging what you do because you never fail to come through with greatness at the end of the day i wouldnt make an opinionated video since the internet already loves your hard work as much as i do and i know how hard it can be to create applications backends to applications and scripts as thats what i do daily
I never experienced the IO bug before, but that's probably because after installing the OS, I just go into settings to disable all animations. I feel like the animations just slow down my workflow, even if it's just a fraction of a second.
@@no_name4796 Complete opposite to me, animations just make it take longer to get things done and waste resources. Probably because I've been using computers so long and upgrading was always about the interaction getting faster and faster. An artificial delay for animations seems like a huge regression in UI responsiveness.
I checked 6.1 out yesterday and I like the new features. My personal favourites are the new edit mode and screen edge barrier. But until per screen workspaces are a thing, I'll hold off on trying to daily drive it.
Per screen workspaces and actual autotiling (which is crazy kde doesn't has support for those two big things. But on the bright side, someone did propose those as a goal for the next 2 years, and it was popular. Just hopying)
@@no_name4796 Yeah, proper tiling would be really nice. I could work with floating and their current tile layouts though if need be. I can understand that they don't support it yet, it is pretty niche, so most desktops don't (upcoming cosmic is the exception rather than the rule). Also, in X11 it was possible for the user to swap kwin with another window manager like i3 if they wanted to.
@@XanTheXanadul i mean they have the useless cube, would be nice if they also had even just some simple autotiling like cosmic But i know it's not that easy, as there are lot of choises to make, like how to treat pop up window, what windows to not tile by default, and many more But autotiling is made me use hyprland instead of kde. And also the semplicity of changing keybindings, and the fact that you can literally just save the config file, and you get the 100% same environment on a new computer. Kde has lots of configurations in config file, but unless you backup the entire .config folder, it's a mess to keep track of what files you need to save or not
Desktop flicker/fluttering when freesync/adaptive sync is enabled is a long time issue that they need to fix. I've had it happen on my 4090 but no doubt it just happens all the time if you enable it.
I want custom resolution support. My TV often gets mistaken for 4k30 but once i setup the 4k60 mode, it doesnt realize i have 4k60 until it feels like it. All could be avoided if i could just say "yea i really have 4k60 trust me bro"
I just use hyprland with a kde desktop installed. This way you get all the kde goodies while using hyprland (honestly if hyprland didn't exist, i wouldn't even use a tiling window manager, maybe only pop os lol)
I finally upgraded to Fedora 40 after the last video. Generally really impressed with Plasma 6.1, it seems way more responsive than Plasma 5 which I thought was Wayland, but its just as fast on Xorg. Although Firefox is WAY smoother on Wayland, but I can't use Wayland until Synergy supports it. I do still have Compositing disabled though, as KWin was always less stable with it on in the past. The only thing that threw me is file previews disabled themselves after the upgrade, yet Dolphin still had Preview enabled. Seems odd to have the Preview button there if previews are disabled in settings. Left me thinking something was broken for a couple of days.
Hope Tuxedo updates it to 6.1.1, but so far I’m loving it on my gaming PC I can’t wait for COSMIC, gonna switch my laptop from Kubuntu to Pop!_OS once it’s almost ready.
I still have a ton of lockups like this cache bug you're describing. Open dolphin. Super + right to maximise right, system locks up. drag dolphin window off the edge, system locks up. Nothing showing as disk i/o though so I guess something else... Oh... and it's specific to the hell that is wayland 🙄🙄🙄 Works fine on X11
I'm a long time Gnome user. I tried KDE for the first time with 6.0, and I saw potential but I still preferred Gnome. I don't think 6.1 changes that much, so I'm gonna wait for 6.2 to try it again.
You have just enjoyed Gnomes workflow and thats what you prefer. I see this a lot like an android user getting their first apple phone... I am just the opposite, i have always preferred KDE and never liked Gnome, i use an android phone also. :)
@@Skibbehify I get it, im a tinkerer i guess is my thing, i like to mess with stuff...and KDE has ALL the stuff to mess with! I also just like KDE apps better, KDE connect... I am also over 50 and its familiar to my generation maybe? Actually the more i think about it, KDE just feels way more advanced. It really is.
That ghosting bug of windows has occurred since I upgraded to Plasma 6 (I'd assume .0) so hope it gets fixed, it is not a big deal but is quite annoying when multitasking
It's great. I've been using Plasma for a year now as my daily driver. 6.1 has a few nice improvements. The thing that sounded good but is actually very annoying, in a dual-monitor setup, is the cursor sticking to the screen border (common side between monitors) unless you move the cursor very fast. It sounded nice to be able to click on items that are close to the border more easily, but in practice, it gets very annoying when you move your cursors very often between monitors. The cursor hide on typing is great, and frankly. That's something that Windows have had for over 2 decades. It was about time. Regarding the cursor shake thing, it's nice when you have hi-dpi displays (you can sometimes lose track of it indeed!). Unfortunately, it's too sensitive IMO and I often get the enlarged cursor even when I don't intend to shake it, just by moving the cursor normally (it's probably worse when you use a high DPI setting for your mouse). The fact that the cursor is just a bitmap and looks not so good when magnified is not that bad - unless you use a cursor size that is already big relative to the resolution of your display, the aliasing is not that noticeable, and using this feature for lower resolution makes no sense. All in all, Plasma is the DE that has the most features of anything in existence, including Windows and macOS. The parts that would require more work are the "KDE applications", which are not all great. I use Okular as my main PDF reader, and it's good enough, but it still have annoyances, such as a very high RAM consumption (never seen a PDF reader that was so memory hungry, and I'm talking about the "normal" memory setting). It also still doesn't have more than 10 entries and in recent files, it's not configurable, and it still doesn't have any session (saving the list of currently open files and being able to restore it).
@@mrgarlic2639 Ah, thanks. One can disable it altogether. Otherwise, there's just one setting which is 100px by default (on my setup). What did you set it to to make it less "sensitive"?
Okular is probably the best free PDF app period, there's nothing better even on windows. Afaik Gnome has some basic thing that's interchangeable with anything else
awesome video btw! quick question. how did you get your icons for the virtual desktops to look like that on the taskbar. i like that way better because it doesn't take up as much space
You can't edit tray icon settings when in edit mode Yes I think the cicking in the empty space should be disabled. Desktop panel autohide is broken - it doesn't show when cursor is hovered over)
14:20 Most definitely the screen switches to displaying the window's part of the framebuffer, but the window does not refresh it, leaving the previous image stored there to be displayed. I've seen similar behaviour plenty of times in various desktops by opening apps, usually while the processor is clocked slowly for laptop battery saving. Sometimes I've seen it in apps while the system is not slowing itself down or on my desktop, it's just expected occasional behaviour to me.
5:17 That’s how I quit KDE Neon years ago. Bugs for days - from minor version update to the other they would introduce bugs and I got fed up with it. Now I use Gnome with a Ubuntu-based distro - I need work to do, I can’t afford breakages…
Neon is a essentially a niche KDE testing/development distro that is _supposed_ to break. Right now Fedora is the KDE distro for normies who want bleeding edge - updates are quick when they're relevant, but without becoming too unstable. It's on 6.1.1 already btw, that has bugfixes compared to what Brodie was reviewing
Funnily enough, adaptive sync is working fine for me (6800 XT, AOC Q24G2, Kernel 6.9.6, Plasma 6.1.0). When brightness flickering happens, the issue is either the kernel mode GPU driver or a faulty VRR implementation in the monitor (was quite common with earlier ones). What can also cause problems, is using mangohud and forcing on adaptive sync there while kwin or gamescope also enable it this can cause all sorts of madness, including flickering, laggy mouse cursor and horrid framepacing.
11:10 honestly, I still want the old style power interface back. I'm so used to a single power button on my panel just opening old interface and then choosing either shutdown or reboot from there depending on what I want to do. It just looks better to have a single button on my panel, so at least having the option to use the old interface would be nice. On to a bug, I've noticed that if you use the Super key to open the app menu (start menu) then you can hold Super and press Ctrl to toggle open and close the menu. This is extremely annoying if you have any shortcuts that rely on both Super and Ctrl as you have to make sure to hit Ctrl first; in my case I use Super+Ctrl+"Arrow Key" to move windows to another screen, and I just end up moving the app menu to another screen if I hit Super before Ctrl. It also doesn't seem like old bug with Plasma Search where plugins aren't saved correctly and are reset on reboot is fixed yet. Personally it just feels like unnecessary clutter when I just want to search for my installed apps and it also shows system settings and stuff, so while not a massive thing I still find it annoying.
@@sharp14x That's not really a valid replacement for being able to just click a button on my panel using the mouse though. I found a way to bring the old interface back (excluding the timer) but having to copy and modify a file to do it instead of just having a toggle in the settings is not great. It doesn't have to be default, just give people the option to choose.
the padding can't be in pixels. The density of your monitors is what matters, as two adjacent monitors may either not have the same resolution or not the same scale. Having the zone be displayed on each monitor taking those factors into account would be a nice feature though.
6:00 this is most likely for the people that accidentally enter the edit mode. Clicking the empty space to exit edit mode is something people are used to (for example from iOS)
Don't worry, welcome to 6.1 :) Isn't it just so much better than Hyprland. Also my curser don't grow, I feel sad. Not affected by said bug.(Think it was off by default in 6.0 so it just keeped that setting)
My only real problem in the latest updates to plasma is that windows can fail to drag across virtual desktops. Like, I'll be trying to snap a window to the side, accidentally drag it to desktop 2 and be completely unable to move it back or to desktop 3. Before that my issue was a weird gimmic where windows being focused makes the desktop brighter, so there would be a big change whenever I minimized a window. I think the fix was to look in settings to disable a random effect, but I don't remember
Honestly the shaking cursor think is kinda cool ngl. I would prob reduce the max size to like, twice or thrice the cursor size. Also since i barely use the mouse and often am using two monitors, it sure is nice to just quickly find it when i want.
ah, this is the big update Garuda got :D Linux newbie here and Garuda has been my first distro, the desktop is the Dr460ised version of Plasma and i got the update a few days ago. it works well overall, i'm partially blind so mouse shake is damn useful, and not having every option after selecting shut down or restart is a good change, i don't know if i'm gonna stick with it tho, wanna play around with Fedora and MATE a little XD
The setting at 15:24 seems to be working as intended but the name is far from clear. From what i've observed, it seems to refer to the cursor speed (in pixels traveled) needed for it to change between displays. If you set this to a low value, less cursor movement is required to change screens when reaching the border. If you set a high value, more movement is needed. If you set this value to... idk... 900px, and you move your mouse so slow that the cursor never jumps that amount of pixels on the screen, you will never change displays. But yeah, "Edge barrier" doesn't get that across imo.
The freesync flicker bug is actually a hardware bug, some implementations of freesync are kinda crappy and when they're at the lower end of their freesync refresh range (the range that freesync can actually make the given frames smooth) will begin to flicker. I had a monitor that would do this on Windows in Unity's editor, insanely annoying, and it wasn't just me, there were many other's who's freesync displays would flicker too. My new monitors have never had this issue in Windows or Linux, there's likely a software workaround where you can disable freesync _before_ you get to the lower end of the freesync refresh range that would solve this.
freesync flicker also seems to happen more on Nvidia, or at least it did back when Nvidia first enabled freesync support, but that could have changed, i haven't tried freesync on Nvidia in about 2 year
@@Tracenji I'm not able to compare unfortunately, I've long since sold my old monitor but even still it was improved when I changed monitors. I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA's display sync protocol has/had teething issues.
@@CorneliusCornbread yeah, it was an issue on some monitors but not others, i had a monitor with freesync flicker on Nvidia but when i changed to an AMD GPU it no longer flickered
what about window transparency? is it working nicely in plasma 6? or reusing the desktop wallpaper. Windows terminal has option to use desktop wallpaper as background image. I wish more apps did that other wise i never see the desktop lol
13:35 I checked my monitor's settings on my gaming PC with Tuxedo OS with Plasma Wayland and I have Adaptive Sync on (MSI MAG342CQR), and not seeing any flickers. Is it possible that its something on your side?
I'm afraid to switch. Nothing significant for me to switch FOR, just yet (I'm already on 6.0.5), unless they fixed the emojifier. (487250) Last time I updated KDE (from 5 to 6), my entire desktop went a bit wonky, and I lost all notification sounds. Still can't get a single sound to play to this day / no idea what's causing it. I've been told everything from notification sounds just don't work, to trying notify-send commands (which work). No one in the IRC channels seem to be much help / are just as confused as I am.
I know I should probably report this as a bug, but the timer widget doesn't actually keep time correctly, its seconds are faster than actual seconds. But I don't feel like making a whole account just for something so small
Looks like 6.1.1 broke it. Now the cursor just disappears. I've manually set the size in Accessibility under the "Shake cursor" setting but nope. It disappears.
Does KDE support anything that no tiling WM does? I mean can't imagine anyone who really wants proper tiling would use any DE even if it had best in class tiling.
how do you even force kde to tile? I am sick of having windows floating around, resizing, going behind or in front of something. I either want my window shown tiled or minimized. how hard could it be.
Freesync has been so awful on linux for quite a while. Its a monitor config issue for me, the rapid change from high to low framerate causes quick brightness changes leading to flicker :( i still am not sure how to fix it but would love to get help solving it
I have the "mouse feels like it's low framerate" issue, but in sway and hyprland, and instead of adaptive sync being the trigger, it was being in a high refresh rate (>120 Hz)!!! On plasma, the higher refresh rate causes a different problem - I get severe flickering artifacts on the right half of the screen. I thought it was an issue with the intel integrated gpu or the i915 driver. Brodie or anyone else reading this - If you create a bug about the adaptive sync issue, please post a link to it - I would love to add my issue as well.
Personally I kinda miss the all in one power menu... Let me just set a shortcut for one of them and Go from there. As for the edit mode jumping around, personally I think it's ok for the panel settings to cover the desktop (if that's open then it means you're not working on the desktop, especially now that the chances of misclicking the bar are low), as for the widget panel.... That's more up to discussion but you could make the panel retreat when you tak a widget out and come back when you hit a confirmation button that you're done with the widget. It'll probably be a more complicated thing to write tho
I'm going to wait for the bug fixes. I'm spoiled by gnome. But I used to use Plasma 5 way back when gnome 3 was trying to figure out who it was. If they can get these user facing bugs ironed out, I'll give it a try again.
I love that there's no apparent limit to cursor scaling, I can just wiggle my mouse and have a giant pixart Hatsune Miku
best feature i don't care, if they change i learn c++ just to make a pull requesting adding it lol
wait, you have a Miku cursor! I just found a Kasane Teto cursor, how coincidental!
best part is there WAS a limit in 6.0
thats a feature not a bug
@@acegear It BETTER be, I EXPECT to see this in Plasma 6.2. My ADHD will be very upset if it isn't.
It's pretty hilarious watching this video hours after I reviewed and merged like 5 fixes for issues you talked about lol. Most are fixed already in 6.1.1 and 6.1.2!
Please do report the multiscreen maximized NVIDIA glitch though. I haven't seen any existing bug reports for it.
People like you make me use Arch based distros. Thank you kind sir
Hello Pointy Stick! Have a nice day
Hopefully you didn't outright remove unlimited cursors
Yes! I didn't know about the cache bug but I absolutely ran into that a ton before - ugh drove me crazy!
This bug or similar happens when using AMD hardware as well but it only happens when using Wayland. When the is coming from maximize to restore state it flashes briefly on second monitor. I've only notice this with Firefox and chrome browser. I am guessing Xwayland and or Wayland not sure
The clicking in the blurred parts to exit edit mode is most likely to mimic what people expect out of a modal dialog say a website pops up for settings or something. It dims the background and you're supposed to be able to click out of the modal to dismiss it, so having that here as well makes sense, I can see a lot of people defaulting to that
@5:58 this was one of the things that just felt SO RIGHT to me, I didn't think about it and it worked as I expected. It is really cool how your experience is different!! Goes to show how "difficult" UX/UI can be.
Also, I'm pretty sure I've encountered this behavior somewhere else, to the point this felt intuitive.
To me this seems like how I would expect Windows to work. Which to me as a Windows user switching to Linux feels intuitive. Maybe they are trying to cater to a broader audience. If that makes sense
The cursor bug is the Mario 64 glitch that made it into Plasma 6.1
"Eventually the cursor becomes so big, that it becomes bigger than the WM itself, but if we keep growing the cursor for a few minutes, the kernel panics"
Don't know why but I find the "when X cursor was made people weren't magnifying cursors" incredibly funny
I wish kwin devs would finally fix the issue that causes global font blurring when using kwin effects such as "invert", "high contrast", lightlyshaders(!), and so on while fractional scaling is active. I also miss latte-dock.
Invert is known about and is hopefully being worked on
Hyprcursor strikes again
Plasma fixes bugs pretty quickly and devs are responsive to complaints. It's completely opposite to Gnome, where they ignore you and if they respond, they tell you, it's all good, even if it's not. It's like talking with idiots. That is one of many reasons why I left Gnome and never looked back. Plasma is addictive ;).
I love the shake cursor feature! I had to many times "loosing" the cursor and was wildly shaking it, in hope I will notice it somewhere. Now it's easier. Blurry part will be fixed, so no problem.
You forgot about bugs with panel and moving icons on a task manager, but it's known and fixed with the next patch. Ah, what do you know? The patch update 6.1.1 is already waiting to be installed! Great!
started using KDE since 4.6 on ChakraOS (which I helped to maintain), and when KDE released their first plasma 6 beta version I started using the git version (still using)...on openSUSE tumbleweed ....yes yes I'm that kind of masochist
Yeah bru im rocking KDE Ninja 7.4 on CornmealOS rn with the Dijon kernel.
I absolutely love KDE plasma. It is probably one of the best computer experiences I have ever had. It isn’t perfect, but definitely better than Windows that plasters ads every where, pushes its own garbage on you, purposefully breaks customization programs.
Definitely got its issues, but damn they do good work
Its possible they could have a raster cursor and swap for an SVG automatically depending on which one os required
the limitation is in the library tho, at least with wayland that problem is easy to fix, they could just throw always the rasters cursors and completely switch to svg cursors, that's what the new protocol can do, now on xorg....
@@vilian9185 I believed KDE even had plans to use hyprcursor as a standard since hyprcursor accomplishes exactly what is needed for SVG cursors... maybe not a universal standard at this point, but hopefully more progress is made
@@NotTheGaslighter exactly, but they can't use that in x11, or maybe they just have more important things todo than add the protocol lol
Yeah, we just did that for 6.1.1.
@@nategraham4027 let's gooo
I can't get my ogg of Never Gonna Give You Up working :/
Personally, I would've made it play "why are you running" or "there's no escape"
There is a time limit but I'm not sure on what it is
I had an antire ogg already of it has to be this way from mgrr, played the whole thing lol.
Never used Plasma, but looks very polished and highly customizable, which is great.
i love the lack of cursor limit! this is a feature!
the edge barrier feels momentum-based to me. if I move the cursor quickly between screens it's like it's not even there, but if I move the mouse very delicately then it takes a long time to overcome that barrier. maybe there's a "hidden" speed threshold above which the additional distance you set is ignored, and only when you move your mouse slow enough the distance calculation takes effect
I still experience kwin freezing for 1-2ms when opening overview mode via the Meta key as shortcut (modifier-only shortcut), and I have my kwin cache in a tmpfs
Yep it's based on "pressure"
KDE has a great bug tracker! I searched for my bug for a few minutes and found a few others that had my issue. I don't know if it was just luck, but they claimed to have fixed the issue in only a few days! (now I just have to wait until it hits my distro repos).
I think the edge barrier isn't customizable enough, nor is it something that I would want to be on by default.
In my opinion the velocity threshold to skip it needs to be configurable as well as the distance.
Oh, so that's the reason why my top monitor and bottom monitor felt a little sticky on the mouse...
I'm not gonna lie, the mouse cursor growing is pretty damn neat when shaking. I don't think they should fix the "bug" as that seems more like a feature if you ask me
Aight the bell sound for me is now "access denied" XD
From what I understand, the adaptive sync problem occurs on other operating systems as well. When looking to buy my monitor, the review site rtings mentioned flickering with it enabled.
for me it doesn't happen on windows at all 🤷
Inconsistent frame rate can also cause flicker
i had a similar issue a while ago (i think it was with the proprietary nvidia drivers on X11). The funny part was that i had seen that issue on Windows before as well, but specifically only when playing Terraria in fullscreen. Doing that on Linux though, there was actually no flickering, it was the desktop that was flickering instead. Changing the refresh rate of my monitors down to 60hz also made the flicker go away.
@@LaBBe_ Mine starts flickering on Windows too at low refresh rates.
As far as i understand its a monitor config issue where the minimum and maximum framerates are farther apart than expected so when it rapidly changes back and forth the brightness changes cause a flicker. This can be fixed by changing your monitors edid file to bring the minimum and maximum refresh rates closer together. I personally dont know how to do this but if someone figures it out please do share :)
Yeah, as someone with eyesight issues, I usually need to use the magnifier. The jumping around can be just a tad bit much, but otherwise, this is shaped up to be an amazing update.
If you want my experience as someone who actively uses the zooming feature day to day, I usually, typically, zoom out when messing with widgets anyway.
Waiting for Plasma 6.9.
Wouldnt ylu think that plama 6.6.6 will be better?
@@YaniX_3 No 69 funni number
I hope they don't add the limit, it's funny.
7:04 Zoom could be locked to the desktop/thing you are looking at. So when the desktop is pushed right, the "camera" follows it.
So my computer gets wood when i shake my mouse?
Thank you so much for mentioning the edge barrier! I could tell it was a feature but I didn't know what it was called to disable it.
I had the QML file error in my laptop, but after an update was fixed. And aside from that, 6.1 is very good and literally no errors.
Do windows really need to fly by at light speed when entering/leaving Edit mode? Or is it an intended jumpscare?
That *might* be governed by the animation speed setting, or desktop effects animation speed - something like that that I can't double check as I'm on mobile rn. Personally, I'm always happy with the fastest possible or even better, no animations.
If I remember correctly, you can change the effect from flying away to flying "into the background" and disappearing. It's the desktop overview effect of something like that.
@@prgnify The issue is not in the speed they have, although this adds to confusion, but in the very fact that some windows *from a different screen* just casually fly by when you enter or leave Edit mode. IDK about you but it's not something I expect to see.
@@АлексейШилин-д1ф ngl your initial phrasing was bad. but now I get what you mean. ye it's visually annoying.
@@АлексейШилин-д1ф Thank you for the clarification! Absolutely not what I thought you meant.
LOL! I thought there was a limit to the cursor zoom, but yer right. Muahahaha just spent 10 minutes getting it bigger than my screens!!
3:53 One time I made the bell the Windows 3.1/95 tada sound. (Used on Windows 3.1 startup and Windows 95 shutdown.) It definitely was a troll! 😂
"Plasma 6.1 took the base that Plasma 6.0 was and... Mostly improves upon it. But it did end up revealing and creating a number of new bugs"
Pretty much every release of KDE Plasma ever at this point lets be honest aha
To fix a bug is to create two more
Ah yes the edge barrier, I noticed that too, seems the intention is that it's not a fixed distance, but rather a number of px with a movement speed multiplier.
So for slower movement the distance is much greater and for faster movements the distance is much shorter.
My personal favorite 6.1 feature is the corner barriers. I used to whip my cursor into corners a lot on Windows, and not having this when I switched to Linux was extremely jarring.
Now if only we could copy panels between screens...
I can finally switch from Gnome to Plasma. Plasma 6.1 is the first release that works with comparable performance to Gnome and without major crashes when running the Nouveau driver on RTX 2000+ series cards. Things are really coming together with Nouveau, nvk, and the mesa project as a whole for recent Nvidia cards. Between the GSP driver updates from kernel 6.7+ and this update to Plasma, Nvidia cards using Nouveau are becoming much more viable as a daily driver.
i use lxqt btw
(stock)
Re: Desktop configuration margins: Clicking out of something to reset it to default mode feels like a natural UX. It's a gut feeling, I can't explain (and shouldn't -- what feels intuitive is what the question is about).
great work kde team keep doing what you do 6.2 looks gorgeous i couldnt fault your hard work like i did in the past you do what you do best no point judging what you do because you never fail to come through with greatness at the end of the day i wouldnt make an opinionated video since the internet already loves your hard work as much as i do and i know how hard it can be to create applications backends to applications and scripts as thats what i do daily
team kirigami > team libadwaita (the libadwaita ones are just the kiddos who use single layout apps)
The "grow cursor on shake" is standard on macos.
I never experienced the IO bug before, but that's probably because after installing the OS, I just go into settings to disable all animations. I feel like the animations just slow down my workflow, even if it's just a fraction of a second.
Animations are good to have a mental idea of what's happening.
In my opinion having stuff just appear in an instant it's confusing
@@no_name4796 Complete opposite to me, animations just make it take longer to get things done and waste resources. Probably because I've been using computers so long and upgrading was always about the interaction getting faster and faster. An artificial delay for animations seems like a huge regression in UI responsiveness.
That was a bug affecting HDs and afaik it was way more frequent on plasma 6. SSD/NVME users wasn't affect though
@@draftofspasiba2 ssds just process the io faster. They could still create slowdowns depending on the overall load
@@NJ-wb1cz that's right
first brodie video im watching on sway :3
🔥
How is that going for you?
@@BrodieRobertson not well (nvidia)
@@vitasomething I think wlroots and sway might still be working on explicit sync
i use arch btw
typing this on arch rn
i use arch btw jumpscare
😁
I use Neon btw
really? wow! can I be your friend?
and does it run crysis too?
In Plasma 6.1.1 the cursor isn't that pixly anymore. They made it way smoother. I use the Breeze cursor theme.
I checked 6.1 out yesterday and I like the new features. My personal favourites are the new edit mode and screen edge barrier.
But until per screen workspaces are a thing, I'll hold off on trying to daily drive it.
Per screen workspaces and actual autotiling (which is crazy kde doesn't has support for those two big things. But on the bright side, someone did propose those as a goal for the next 2 years, and it was popular. Just hopying)
@@no_name4796 Yeah, proper tiling would be really nice. I could work with floating and their current tile layouts though if need be.
I can understand that they don't support it yet, it is pretty niche, so most desktops don't (upcoming cosmic is the exception rather than the rule). Also, in X11 it was possible for the user to swap kwin with another window manager like i3 if they wanted to.
@@XanTheXanadul i mean they have the useless cube, would be nice if they also had even just some simple autotiling like cosmic
But i know it's not that easy, as there are lot of choises to make, like how to treat pop up window, what windows to not tile by default, and many more
But autotiling is made me use hyprland instead of kde. And also the semplicity of changing keybindings, and the fact that you can literally just save the config file, and you get the 100% same environment on a new computer.
Kde has lots of configurations in config file, but unless you backup the entire .config folder, it's a mess to keep track of what files you need to save or not
Desktop flicker/fluttering when freesync/adaptive sync is enabled is a long time issue that they need to fix. I've had it happen on my 4090 but no doubt it just happens all the time if you enable it.
I.. like.. BIG CURSORS and I cannot lie!
For real, though, the giant cursor will actually help some of my users find it. I approve.
I want custom resolution support. My TV often gets mistaken for 4k30 but once i setup the 4k60 mode, it doesnt realize i have 4k60 until it feels like it. All could be avoided if i could just say "yea i really have 4k60 trust me bro"
Here before Vax comments about Plasma being good, but Hyprland being better
I just use hyprland with a kde desktop installed.
This way you get all the kde goodies while using hyprland (honestly if hyprland didn't exist, i wouldn't even use a tiling window manager, maybe only pop os lol)
@@no_name4796how do you use the hyprland WM instead of Kwin inside plasma?
I am so pumped for shake to grow cursor, I constantly lose track of the cursor, and I love this.
I finally upgraded to Fedora 40 after the last video. Generally really impressed with Plasma 6.1, it seems way more responsive than Plasma 5 which I thought was Wayland, but its just as fast on Xorg. Although Firefox is WAY smoother on Wayland, but I can't use Wayland until Synergy supports it. I do still have Compositing disabled though, as KWin was always less stable with it on in the past.
The only thing that threw me is file previews disabled themselves after the upgrade, yet Dolphin still had Preview enabled. Seems odd to have the Preview button there if previews are disabled in settings. Left me thinking something was broken for a couple of days.
Perfection for is one of the first things I do: remove Akonadi and the KMail/Kontact Suite stuff. Doesn't come with all distros, but does on Fedora.
Hope Tuxedo updates it to 6.1.1, but so far I’m loving it on my gaming PC
I can’t wait for COSMIC, gonna switch my laptop from Kubuntu to Pop!_OS once it’s almost ready.
the flickering issue with freesync happened to me too! For some reason I had to disable it on my monitor and not just in KDE
I still have a ton of lockups like this cache bug you're describing.
Open dolphin. Super + right to maximise right, system locks up. drag dolphin window off the edge, system locks up. Nothing showing as disk i/o though so I guess something else...
Oh... and it's specific to the hell that is wayland 🙄🙄🙄
Works fine on X11
I'm a long time Gnome user. I tried KDE for the first time with 6.0, and I saw potential but I still preferred Gnome. I don't think 6.1 changes that much, so I'm gonna wait for 6.2 to try it again.
I went cinnamon>KDE>Gnome & I also tried to go back to KDE but gnome just feels better like idk how to explain it.
You have just enjoyed Gnomes workflow and thats what you prefer. I see this a lot like an android user getting their first apple phone... I am just the opposite, i have always preferred KDE and never liked Gnome, i use an android phone also. :)
@@donaldc3884 the traditional desktop layout just does not feel right anymore.
@@Skibbehify I get it, im a tinkerer i guess is my thing, i like to mess with stuff...and KDE has ALL the stuff to mess with! I also just like KDE apps better, KDE connect... I am also over 50 and its familiar to my generation maybe? Actually the more i think about it, KDE just feels way more advanced. It really is.
@@donaldc3884 I 100% agree with you that was the most fun about KDE was tinkering with ever little bit.
That ghosting bug of windows has occurred since I upgraded to Plasma 6 (I'd assume .0) so hope it gets fixed, it is not a big deal but is quite annoying when multitasking
It's great. I've been using Plasma for a year now as my daily driver. 6.1 has a few nice improvements. The thing that sounded good but is actually very annoying, in a dual-monitor setup, is the cursor sticking to the screen border (common side between monitors) unless you move the cursor very fast. It sounded nice to be able to click on items that are close to the border more easily, but in practice, it gets very annoying when you move your cursors very often between monitors.
The cursor hide on typing is great, and frankly. That's something that Windows have had for over 2 decades. It was about time.
Regarding the cursor shake thing, it's nice when you have hi-dpi displays (you can sometimes lose track of it indeed!). Unfortunately, it's too sensitive IMO and I often get the enlarged cursor even when I don't intend to shake it, just by moving the cursor normally (it's probably worse when you use a high DPI setting for your mouse). The fact that the cursor is just a bitmap and looks not so good when magnified is not that bad - unless you use a cursor size that is already big relative to the resolution of your display, the aliasing is not that noticeable, and using this feature for lower resolution makes no sense.
All in all, Plasma is the DE that has the most features of anything in existence, including Windows and macOS. The parts that would require more work are the "KDE applications", which are not all great. I use Okular as my main PDF reader, and it's good enough, but it still have annoyances, such as a very high RAM consumption (never seen a PDF reader that was so memory hungry, and I'm talking about the "normal" memory setting). It also still doesn't have more than 10 entries and in recent files, it's not configurable, and it still doesn't have any session (saving the list of currently open files and being able to restore it).
You can configure the screen edge thing to be less sensitive by going to System Settings > Screen Edges > Edge Barrier! (I had to do this too)
@@mrgarlic2639 Ah, thanks. One can disable it altogether. Otherwise, there's just one setting which is 100px by default (on my setup). What did you set it to to make it less "sensitive"?
Okular is probably the best free PDF app period, there's nothing better even on windows. Afaik Gnome has some basic thing that's interchangeable with anything else
@@joseoncrack You can reduce the px in that settings menu, I have it set to 50.
awesome video btw! quick question. how did you get your icons for the virtual desktops to look like that on the taskbar. i like that way better because it doesn't take up as much space
You can't edit tray icon settings when in edit mode
Yes I think the cicking in the empty space should be disabled.
Desktop panel autohide is broken - it doesn't show when cursor is hovered over)
14:20 Most definitely the screen switches to displaying the window's part of the framebuffer, but the window does not refresh it, leaving the previous image stored there to be displayed.
I've seen similar behaviour plenty of times in various desktops by opening apps, usually while the processor is clocked slowly for laptop battery saving.
Sometimes I've seen it in apps while the system is not slowing itself down or on my desktop, it's just expected occasional behaviour to me.
5:17 That’s how I quit KDE Neon years ago. Bugs for days - from minor version update to the other they would introduce bugs and I got fed up with it. Now I use Gnome with a Ubuntu-based distro - I need work to do, I can’t afford breakages…
Neon is a essentially a niche KDE testing/development distro that is _supposed_ to break. Right now Fedora is the KDE distro for normies who want bleeding edge - updates are quick when they're relevant, but without becoming too unstable. It's on 6.1.1 already btw, that has bugfixes compared to what Brodie was reviewing
Funnily enough, adaptive sync is working fine for me (6800 XT, AOC Q24G2, Kernel 6.9.6, Plasma 6.1.0). When brightness flickering happens, the issue is either the kernel mode GPU driver or a faulty VRR implementation in the monitor (was quite common with earlier ones). What can also cause problems, is using mangohud and forcing on adaptive sync there while kwin or gamescope also enable it this can cause all sorts of madness, including flickering, laggy mouse cursor and horrid framepacing.
11:10 honestly, I still want the old style power interface back. I'm so used to a single power button on my panel just opening old interface and then choosing either shutdown or reboot from there depending on what I want to do. It just looks better to have a single button on my panel, so at least having the option to use the old interface would be nice.
On to a bug, I've noticed that if you use the Super key to open the app menu (start menu) then you can hold Super and press Ctrl to toggle open and close the menu. This is extremely annoying if you have any shortcuts that rely on both Super and Ctrl as you have to make sure to hit Ctrl first; in my case I use Super+Ctrl+"Arrow Key" to move windows to another screen, and I just end up moving the app menu to another screen if I hit Super before Ctrl.
It also doesn't seem like old bug with Plasma Search where plugins aren't saved correctly and are reset on reboot is fixed yet. Personally it just feels like unnecessary clutter when I just want to search for my installed apps and it also shows system settings and stuff, so while not a massive thing I still find it annoying.
You can have the full menu on a shortcut like CTRL+ALT+DELETE.
@@sharp14x That's not really a valid replacement for being able to just click a button on my panel using the mouse though. I found a way to bring the old interface back (excluding the timer) but having to copy and modify a file to do it instead of just having a toggle in the settings is not great. It doesn't have to be default, just give people the option to choose.
the padding can't be in pixels. The density of your monitors is what matters, as two adjacent monitors may either not have the same resolution or not the same scale. Having the zone be displayed on each monitor taking those factors into account would be a nice feature though.
6:00 this is most likely for the people that accidentally enter the edit mode. Clicking the empty space to exit edit mode is something people are used to (for example from iOS)
Don't worry, welcome to 6.1 :) Isn't it just so much better than Hyprland.
Also my curser don't grow, I feel sad. Not affected by said bug.(Think it was off by default in 6.0 so it just keeped that setting)
Are you using X11? This option appears to be Wayland only.
Windows 10 still has the right click menu bug. Funny how that's the same on both systems
Another way to get rid of the rightclick menu in system settings is to hover the mouse over it and press Esc
Plasma seems to rather confident about their cursor enlargement: the bigger the better.
My only real problem in the latest updates to plasma is that windows can fail to drag across virtual desktops.
Like, I'll be trying to snap a window to the side, accidentally drag it to desktop 2 and be completely unable to move it back or to desktop 3.
Before that my issue was a weird gimmic where windows being focused makes the desktop brighter, so there would be a big change whenever I minimized a window.
I think the fix was to look in settings to disable a random effect, but I don't remember
Can you do a install guide on how you got BTOP to look so good with Alacrity? around 4:29 in the vid. Thanks!
Interesting. I thought the VRR flickering was because of lack of explicit sync patch.
Honestly the shaking cursor think is kinda cool ngl. I would prob reduce the max size to like, twice or thrice the cursor size.
Also since i barely use the mouse and often am using two monitors, it sure is nice to just quickly find it when i want.
ah, this is the big update Garuda got :D Linux newbie here and Garuda has been my first distro, the desktop is the Dr460ised version of Plasma and i got the update a few days ago. it works well overall, i'm partially blind so mouse shake is damn useful, and not having every option after selecting shut down or restart is a good change, i don't know if i'm gonna stick with it tho, wanna play around with Fedora and MATE a little XD
The freesync issue might be resolved by setting the monitor to the highest refresh rate it supports. I have this bug with a g-sync monitor.
the cursor was made by the same people who handled the cars in the GTA3 remaster
Never realized adaptive sync was broken for people. Guess I'm just lucky with my hardware
The setting at 15:24 seems to be working as intended but the name is far from clear. From what i've observed, it seems to refer to the cursor speed (in pixels traveled) needed for it to change between displays. If you set this to a low value, less cursor movement is required to change screens when reaching the border. If you set a high value, more movement is needed.
If you set this value to... idk... 900px, and you move your mouse so slow that the cursor never jumps that amount of pixels on the screen, you will never change displays.
But yeah, "Edge barrier" doesn't get that across imo.
The freesync flicker bug is actually a hardware bug, some implementations of freesync are kinda crappy and when they're at the lower end of their freesync refresh range (the range that freesync can actually make the given frames smooth) will begin to flicker. I had a monitor that would do this on Windows in Unity's editor, insanely annoying, and it wasn't just me, there were many other's who's freesync displays would flicker too.
My new monitors have never had this issue in Windows or Linux, there's likely a software workaround where you can disable freesync _before_ you get to the lower end of the freesync refresh range that would solve this.
freesync flicker also seems to happen more on Nvidia, or at least it did back when Nvidia first enabled freesync support, but that could have changed, i haven't tried freesync on Nvidia in about 2 year
@@Tracenji I'm not able to compare unfortunately, I've long since sold my old monitor but even still it was improved when I changed monitors. I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA's display sync protocol has/had teething issues.
@@CorneliusCornbread yeah, it was an issue on some monitors but not others, i had a monitor with freesync flicker on Nvidia but when i changed to an AMD GPU it no longer flickered
what about window transparency? is it working nicely in plasma 6? or reusing the desktop wallpaper. Windows terminal has option to use desktop wallpaper as background image. I wish more apps did that other wise i never see the desktop lol
13:35 I checked my monitor's settings on my gaming PC with Tuxedo OS with Plasma Wayland and I have Adaptive Sync on (MSI MAG342CQR), and not seeing any flickers. Is it possible that its something on your side?
I'm afraid to switch. Nothing significant for me to switch FOR, just yet (I'm already on 6.0.5), unless they fixed the emojifier. (487250)
Last time I updated KDE (from 5 to 6), my entire desktop went a bit wonky, and I lost all notification sounds. Still can't get a single sound to play to this day / no idea what's causing it. I've been told everything from notification sounds just don't work, to trying notify-send commands (which work). No one in the IRC channels seem to be much help / are just as confused as I am.
I know I should probably report this as a bug, but the timer widget doesn't actually keep time correctly, its seconds are faster than actual seconds. But I don't feel like making a whole account just for something so small
Can't believe people are so hung up on the "blurry" cursor
Drinking during a stream? What a true blue Aussie.
Looks like 6.1.1 broke it. Now the cursor just disappears. I've manually set the size in Accessibility under the "Shake cursor" setting but nope. It disappears.
When will color management support come to plasma 6 wayland?
Here's hoping we get proper tiling one day
Does KDE support anything that no tiling WM does? I mean can't imagine anyone who really wants proper tiling would use any DE even if it had best in class tiling.
how do you even force kde to tile? I am sick of having windows floating around, resizing, going behind or in front of something. I either want my window shown tiled or minimized. how hard could it be.
We had tiling on Plasma 5 through Bismuth. But it's abandoned and not working on Plasma 6 anymore. Very sad
anybody else replicated the bug with him 😂 just sat there and shook my cursor and watched it get bigger than my monitor rez
Freesync has been so awful on linux for quite a while. Its a monitor config issue for me, the rapid change from high to low framerate causes quick brightness changes leading to flicker :( i still am not sure how to fix it but would love to get help solving it
The desktop cube seems somewhat broken on 6.1, I have to disable and reenable it after each use which didnt happen on 6.0+
6.1-1 is out and the cube issue seems to be fixed
@Brodie Robertson how do the hell I switch off applications from launching that i had from last time I turned on my computer KDE 6.1
I have the "mouse feels like it's low framerate" issue, but in sway and hyprland, and instead of adaptive sync being the trigger, it was being in a high refresh rate (>120 Hz)!!!
On plasma, the higher refresh rate causes a different problem - I get severe flickering artifacts on the right half of the screen. I thought it was an issue with the intel integrated gpu or the i915 driver.
Brodie or anyone else reading this - If you create a bug about the adaptive sync issue, please post a link to it - I would love to add my issue as well.
Personally I kinda miss the all in one power menu... Let me just set a shortcut for one of them and Go from there.
As for the edit mode jumping around, personally I think it's ok for the panel settings to cover the desktop (if that's open then it means you're not working on the desktop, especially now that the chances of misclicking the bar are low), as for the widget panel.... That's more up to discussion but you could make the panel retreat when you tak a widget out and come back when you hit a confirmation button that you're done with the widget. It'll probably be a more complicated thing to write tho
yeah i agree whats the point of hiding the options.
they should at least scale the rasterised cursor in nearest neighbour mode rather than the blurry bilinear filter they're currently using
Plasma is just wonderfull !
I just consider versions 6.x.0 and 6.x.1 as alpha and beta :) One should switch to version 6.x.2 directly.
I'm going to wait for the bug fixes. I'm spoiled by gnome. But I used to use Plasma 5 way back when gnome 3 was trying to figure out who it was. If they can get these user facing bugs ironed out, I'll give it a try again.
look at that cursor IT KEEPS GROWING
having adaptive sync on completely makes my desktop unusable for a few seconds whenever i open a program D: it flickers like crazyyy
Damn...I may be switching from Cinnamon. I will at least be trying it out. Last time it did feel unusable but I was on older hardware.