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- txg.ca - We go through a full putter fitting for Matt on the Quintic system! Tune in live to ask us your putter questions.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser, Master Clubfitter
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wow, the knowledge Ian has is insane! Keep up the great videos guys.
I know it's said time and time again about TXG videos, but there is so much gold in this 1 hr 20 min video. So freaking good! Love the channel guys!
Such an insight for me around the 31:30 mark and the discussion of center-shafted putter heads wanting to rotate. I've been using a center-shafted putter and I'm starting to think that alone may be the starting point of my putting problems. Time to go get a putter fitting!
This vlog is another reason I'd be a kid in a toy shop at TXG... definitely be all sorts of awesome to see a TXG/Crossfield team up. Dovetailing on each others 75/25 fitting and teaching....
I can’t wait to go to Toronto from Florida and get fitted with Ian. I love the idea of him saying he is 75% club fitter and 25% teacher. That makes a huge difference. I went to a company in Florida that does what you do. It was a major costly waste of time. Cant wait to hit my driver over 300 like Matt does! Great job guys.
I`m not greedy I will be happy with 275 lol
When I came in for my fitting we did the loft and lie check on my putter. I am so happy I did this as it’s made a tremendous improvement! EVERYONE GET YOUR PUTTER FITTED PROPERLY TO YOU!! Best thing you will ever do for your game!
You guys and Crossfield are my favs. Glad both of you have an understanding where each is coming from. I just hope when Matt is done with all these fittings he does a WITB to confirm he got all these toys! That reminds me though that you may want to do an actual bag fitting for him too! Keep up the good work guys!
I’ve learned more about putters from this video than watching any other TH-cam video I’ve ever seen. Love the analytics. Just amazing! Well done Ian and Matt, you are a good sport!
Watched it live. As usual filled with great info I had no clue about.
I'm a few days behind. I really, really, really look forward to a video with Ian and Mark. Great video on putter fitting. Awesome.
Watched for a second time today. Matt is an excellent student. You really know your business. Thanks for all of the videos.
What a fantastic and thorough process for Matt's putter fit. I had a putter fit myself and it didn't scratch the surface on what you went through. That said, I've never putted so well landing far more putts from distance and hitting the short ones so much more consistently.
These are by far the best and most informative videos I've seen by far in terms of passing on knowledge to the average golfer when it comes to equipment. Great job again guys!
Great Vid Guys Very interesting point Ian what you are mentioning about the 3:1 ratio at the end of the conversation on different standpoints and tension. As a Neuroathletic coach i 100 % agree on what you are saying. Brilliant 🤗🤗
I’m a bit of a lurker, but i dropped in to say i love this segment! Putting science!
Such a great video! The amount of knowledge (backed up with data) packed in there was astounding. I always thought of myself as a relatively informed putter but so much to learn still.
I couldn't hit the Pacific from the beach for years but since switching to a putter with no alignment aids my golf game has changed for the better.
Literally my most favorite TH-cam channel by far! Keep it up guys!
Just learned more in an hour and a half than i've learned in 25 yrs of playing. Tons of useful info. Great job guys
Thanks!
This was probably my favorite video on this channel to date! Fantastic!
Looking forward to seeing MC on this channel and TXG on his. I always felt that MC's and TGX's view conflicted somewhat. Thanks guys!
Superb. A proper putter fitting is critical. Top videos, love it
Just watched the whole video, best putting explanation vid I have ever seen, class work. These guys know their stuff! I am getting a quintic fitting on Monday haha, had it booked before watching but this vid has made me very content going into it.
2 of my favorite channels getting together. This will be great! The Teacher and the fitter will make for some great content!
I think some future interaction between TXG and Parfield would be interesting viewing, sorry I missed the live portion. Well done and as always informative. Thumbs up.
I’m so pleased you guys and mark cross field will get together. Can’t wait to see this. Great info to get into today.
It’s amazing that Matt only hit a few balls and you already have a great idea of what will work for him, remarkable!!!
This video cleared up a lot of the information I've been reading on other sites. Once again amazing information!!!
Hi Ian /Matt, Thank you.... 3 weeks ago I watched this putter fitting, What a learning curve. I have all ways had a problem with distance control. I tried reducing the loft my putter, to start a better roll. The first game I hit every thing 2 meters past the hole, I thought is the ball really rolling better or am I just bashing it.. over the next few games I realised the lines I have all ways seen were not far wrong. With a better roll came better distance control, I was sinking a lot more putts. Last Sunday No 3 Putts, 7 One putts and 11 two putts. :-) with that my best ever Gross score. Thank you... Keep up the awesome work.Rick ChapmanNZ
Another wonderful video.
Love this. I use a Steoke Lab 2 ball Fang. Hands high (or so it feels!), and follow the black line I put on the ball. Dropped about 4 to 5 putts a round because of this.
Great video guys been waiting all week for this one, learnt a lot how only 2 degrees of shaft angle makes the ball roll so much truer always heard about it but never seen it this close up thank you.
The Myth are Scotty Camerons the best putter for the normal Humans on the weekend. Cheers TXG
Another outstanding video full of gems. I saw this one live but will be referencing it a few more times.
Both you and Mark are giving us info to make us better. I am looking forward to you two teaming up on a video or two, or three.
Best video I have watched. Thanks for sharing.
I can really relate to the "get on the green and see how today is going to be" reality... ie, streaky putting
I love my O-WORKS #1!
Bought it because of the Versa paint scheme and because the feel resembled my old White Hot.
Good to hear that the micro hinges get a good rep from Ian though.
Looking forward to the wedge video you spoke of, as I'm currently in the market to update my current wedges. Unfortunately this putter video came a few days too late for my putter purchase! Enjoyed every minute of it nonetheless!
i use a cure putter and it is by far my favorite club in the bag
I'm so pleased the Mark Crossfield convo happened. aiming for the same result... would love to see you fit him in to a shaft or two. the results I think would be interesting and would interest Mark.
Love what your doing. The detail is very helpful and great yo use. Thank you.
Great video as always! Looking forward to the upcoming videos!
I’ve been rolling the new O Works Red Marxman with a slight toe hang and I’m absolutely in love, it’s lights out from 5 feet and 3 putts are a rarity.
Putter fittings are imo the most important fitting you can get, it helped me.
Great info about posture and arc as well as loft. Never thought about how either of those affect putting.
Working in Rochester NY. Gotta run to TN and get my Enhanced license so I can come up and get a total fitting.
Drive for show...putt for dough!
Very nice video guys, realy enjoyed it!
Great video guys! Keep em coming!
Interesting that you said Matts slant neck style will stay more open as opposed to the plumbers neck on the Odyssey Microhinge. I thought the opposite would occur as it has more toe hang/flow ?
Distance between the neck of the putter to the toe is the bigger factor, apparently! That one was crazy for me to hear as well 😆- usually I have some familiarity with the concepts Ian talks about but this time there was tons of stuff I had virtually no clue on.
i going to have to re-watch this as it does seem confusing
Great video, now I know why I have to feel like I have to hold the face open on my face balanced mallet style putter to stop missing left. Back to bladed one which felt much more comfortable, like Matt said I to thought the mallet would rotate less
I recently switched to the Tommy Armour #3 Impact. Love the feel of it. But still too early to tell.
Lots of stuff. You May want to consider producing an encapsulated version focusing on key elements and steps rather than a lot of discussion - fascinating though it was. A question for you re lofts or a reaction. Recently I played 50 rounds in 60 days but because I wanted to walk (not use carts of any type) I decide to only take a half set (and no putter - though my new Scotty Cameron 6m futura putter off the shelf with no tweaking is working so much better than any putter before) and used my 3 hybrid (19 degree Mizuno clk) as my putter and wow I was putting better than ever before - mostly one puts, odd two putts and no three puts in about the last forty rounds! Any thoughts of what might be happening and as such what might be worth looking at or working on. Never had a putter fitting and so far have not been impressed by two significant fits and ok (but nothing to write home about as the saying goes) with the last one though these were on wedges, irons and driver/hybrids and 5 woods respectively.
I’m left eye dominant but right handed. I tend to see left to right putts better then right to left. Any fitting suggestions for left eye dominant players
Ian what do you think of Edel putters where you can match up heads hostels sight lines and everything
Bobby Grace also is a fan of face balanced arguing that face balance has less rotation on the way back so it helps people be more square at impact. But being that most people putt on arc according to SAM or this lab they would NOT need face balanced. Interesting dynamic bc I could see face balanced rotation less open on way back but obviously it will not close enough for the arch guys on the forward stroke.
Ian, by what you’re saying then would a putter like a classic Wilson 8802 or even a more modern Odyssey #9 have the least amount of face rotation?
Any suggestions for left eye dominant right handers? I tend to don better left to right then right to left putts.
Loving the TXG/Parfield relationship hopefully it brings some awesome videos in the near future.
Doba I'll definitely stop watching Crossfield is a tool .
I like Marks content hes good at what he does but that shaft video didnt win over too many hearts lol
Doba I used to like the man but he's become irritating over the years and nobody can get a word in with him . I hope Ian and Matt stuck to their own thing as it's the best on TH-cam in my eyes .
folly four.. I know what you mean, I mostly enjoy when he plays with Coach Lockey when its more about fun.
Doing some videos with Mark won't change our content or vision for this channel, so not to worry.
Hey guys do you think you could touch on center shafted putters more in depth at some point. Mostly because a fitter and I found I do a bit better with that style.
fascinating; I was mouthbreathing watching this
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where can one hope to get fittings anywhere close to as good as TXG's if one lives in Europe? Finland to be precise
Appreciate the channel! Look forward to all the videos and learn something new every time. What type of ball were you using? Also, could you do a video with a full line of golf balls. For example, Z Star XV, Z Star, Q Star. I always wanted to know how compression, cover type, or other factors effect putting.
We were putting with Prov1's - in terms of putting the ball choice is almost entirely feel. We'll get Ian to elaborate on that in a future putting video.
does the face close quicker or do the opposite it’s a centre shafted putter?
For myself this would be a very interesting fitting because I make my own putters. Im on my 3rd putter now, newest being a mallet style like the odyssey #7 made from 303ss machined face with less loft. I went with this style for better alignment it having 2 lines. Its flatter than average 69* .. Has toe hang and good weight. So far this season im putting very well with it but to have it all measured like this would be cool.
Hey we both played video games and I have a CSGO team. I want a 009 style putter please help ahahaa
My second putter is similar to the 009, not exact.. check it out here... instagram.com/mike_doba/
Was wondering if you would do a review on Long putters
Really good vid guys 👍👍👍
It's here!!!! Been waiting for this one. Great job on it guys. I've been on a sam puttlab and looking at this quintech is pretty cool and looking at it all from a different angle. My stroke is good but i hit a little high in the putter face, so that was delivering too little loft. My biggest issue with putting is leaving putts short. I'm assuming that's from not getting the ball up on top quick enough and why i putt better on quicker greens, as that is less of an issue. Would something like the o works help with the additional launch angle from the o works face?
Also, crossfield is the biggest reason i started questioning things in the golf industry, I've always liked his views on it and especially the fact that people should not be fit by handing and much more about how they're able to swing a club and that blades vs big cavity is not what it seems and that many more people should play a smaller head, for example.
And then you guys have taken those thoughts and just prooven everything with data and facts that i have found myself and i have questioned. I'm not like crossfield in the way that i do react to the change in shaft feel and it effects my direction. I also think this is amplified the more speed you put in. Mark swinging driver at 103 mph in my thoughts may be effected less than matt at 120mph. I may be wrong there and it may be completely about feel. But i have noticed it enough in myself to know it has a big effect on me personally. For example, i play nice draws with my rogue silver 70x shaft but i find the atmos black in 70x hard to turn over. I'm assuming the atmos is a stiffer profile, especially in the handle? Because that is where i seem to feel the difference, and i also assume it deflects less, causing it to be harder to turn over.
I'm also a much later release player, where crossfield is not so much, which i have also read that makes less impact on what the shaft is doing, so in ways, it makes sense why it doesn't do much for him shaft wise.
I'm rambling again 😂😂
TXG Tour Experience Golf oh ok, i thought it was also a little more lift, as well as roll. I guess a change in loft or stroke would always be better for that anyway
Centre shafted putters like the LAB putters? "Disaster Zones"?
Edel putters... I’d like to try them and get fit for one. Any thoughts? Do you have them available?
I think mark opinion is only valid for some people from my old drive shaft to the new one change my launch quite a bit from a 16 degree to 14 degree launch given I already use a 913 d3 7.5 degrees of loft set down to 6.75. I don’t think most companies make less than a 7.5 degree driver.
Wow, absolutely amazing video guys! I can't believe how much conventional wisdom is shown to be wrong when analysed with the latest hi-tech measuring devices. Once again you have taught me how much my yee-old beliefs are hurting my scores. I'm going out to get a full 14 club fitting come next summer, although I don't know that we have any fitters a tenth as good as you in Sydney Australia.
Just completed watching the replay. This has been the most informative putter fitting I've ever viewed. Amazing job by Ian with all the explanations and discussing the analytics provided by the Quintic system. You guys are doing your part to debunk some putter myths out there. Does TXG carry Bettinardi putters? What are your general thoughts on the brand and how effective they are vs. Evnroll, Scotty Camerons?
I don't believe Bettinardi is in the studio at the moment Anthony, maybe we can get Ian to talk about the brands he's chosen for the putter fitting area in a future Q&A!
TXG Tour Experience Golf that would be appreciated, thanks Matt
Great session again guys. Loving the clips. I had my first putter fitting about 18 months ago and felt daft for never doing it after playing golf for over 25 years and having numerous driver fittings etc. Can't recommend the process enough. I may have misunderstood this, but did you say that the alignment line on the putter isn't in the middle of the putter head?
It's in the symmetrical centre of the putter head, but there's actually more mass slightly towards the heel of the putter due to that being where the head joins the shaft. So the sweet spot is actually slightly towards the heel.
TXG Tour Experience Golf that’s really interesting. Many thanks.
How do you feel about center shafted putters? I'm using the Cleveland 2135 Mezzo. I don't have any data, but when I purchased it, I seemed to not pull my putts so much.
Unfortunately I missed the live stream.
I feel like I know the general idea of toe hang, face balanced etc. but learning about the launch and how delivery of the head at impact can affect it was quite interesting and hearing about how a certain miss "may be helped" with the change of toe hang to help fight that miss was very interesting. Also that many pros don't aim dead straight but play for that ever so slight push/pull setup but do it constantly, every interesting.
Going to look into the Ping app and device now.
Do you feel the felt board/dew board is worth investing in as a training aid or really only meant for fittings? Would it be helpfull to work on strike with the roll and launch with the Ping app by using that board.
EDIT: Never mind only for Apple phones unfortunately.
Lastly not on this video, but how does iron shaft length affect playing charcteristics of the shafts, if I play my Steelfibers i95s at +.5" would that make them almost like being soft stepped (but tapered tip). No need to answer it hear but if you remember in your upcoming shaft video that'd great. Interested see this new shaft video. You guys and Mark are the 2 golf channels I like the most (and fried eggs golf).
As always an awesome video. Not easy to keep lots of people interested in almost an hour and half video on just putting, but this was.
So much information to take in on this video it's crazy. How much weight would you usually put into a counter balanced putter?. I tried a 50g weight before and didn't notice much difference.
The Odyssey we tested in this video had a 50g weight for example. It depends on the player, if 50g didn't offer much to you it would be worth trying a heavier counterweight.
Now I want a putter fitting =/ lol
Great vid guys, as always. However want to clarify something, regarding centre shafted putters. Don't understand why they twist even more. In my case just cannot get on with toe hang putters, have a straight back, straight through putting style. Tried a TM Spider and it felt good, although started to struggle after a couple of months. Then went to a Yes Natalie cut to 33.25 inches and the results are simply much better. Am I the exception to the rule? Also is a forward press necessary to produce the most efficient and effective putt?? Thanks guys
Have been a lot of questions on center shafted putters since this video came out 😆- we'll definitely do a follow up at some point in the future.
I have some Bobby Grace and they def roll the ball better no doubt......Only thing with them is some models are very heavy so without any counterbalance you get into E or F swingweights........with a non CB grip. Do most PGA guys play more the Low to mid D swing weight range for putters?
Assuming no counterbalancing, over-length, etc. most traditional putter setups your see on tour would be in that range.
What do you think about Edel putters and the way they fit them?Also would like your thoughts on P2 grips. Great video as usual. Thanks.
Don't have Edel putters in the shop for testing at the moment Jason, maybe in the future though. We'll do a video on putter grips in the future for sure.
Enjoyed this quite a bit. No chance to get to my question live. Agree with Matt practice is key but approaching 80 my back can not get past 15 minutes. Have always used 34 inch (5ft 10 with 72 inch arm span) but would a longer shaft help me stand more erect ergo less pressure on back. If so, what length makes sense.
It would certainly make an upright stance more comfortable Robert. See if you can demo a 35" or 36" putter to start and see if it helps.
Hi guys, what are your thoughts on the directed force putters? Also how would putter weight affect pace? I like a heavy + counterbalanced putter as its helped on the short putts and stability but feel like pace has suffered. Is it more to do with impact conditions as you stated with Matt?
Weight would have a huge amount to do with your distance control. We'll be doing more putter videos in the future so stay tuned!
So if I understand correctly, my old Tommy Armour blade putter would be a good alternative to prevent closing face
Correct
Great video guys. What was the blade putter that Matt picked up that was face balanced?
Testing my memory Scott, what point in the video did I pick that one up?
29 minute mark
A curiosity. Didnt you guys originally say that the anser putter with forward shaft lean gave 0 degrees of face loft at impact? did you guys ever bend it to give 2 degrees more loft and test the roll? It would be very interesting to see if the effect of the microhinge could be duplicated with a little more loft on the anser. Maybe i missed it.
In summary:
Microhinge impact 0 degrees of face loft: optimal roll.
Anser impact 0 degrees of face loft: not so great roll.
Anser impact 2 degrees of face loft: untested?? did you ever bend it and test? Would this condition produce roll like the microhinge?
Further curiosity...Microhinge at 2 degrees face lofted at impact: what does this produce?
Great video guys! thank you so much for doing all you do to give solid information backed by objective results!
Ian can probably elaborate on this more, but the microhinge was producing more RPM of forward roll even with the same stroke and other launch conditions. I don't think the loft would impart roll on the ball the way that the insert did. We'll be doing more putter videos for sure though, feedback was great and we can see that viewers are curious for more info.
SUPERB Vid Guys, So much information, I think I have blood trickling from my ears due to an exploded brain! This is the very first Putting Vid that I have managed to watch all the way through, well done!
On the Mark Crossfield "Love In"; I am So disappointed, I REALLY wanted Ian to give Mark a "Glasgow Kiss"! Seriously though, I have always found his use of the term "Shaftoid" highly and deliberately offensive! I hope one outcome might be that he shows more humility in future and is less of an annoying Southern Twat! Ooops..... Sorry, the Tourette's syndrome is kicking in again
amazing video again guys, very interested to see how things progress with mark in future as you both produce amazing content .
p.s. good cam work cam
My wife and I have an option of checking our existing putters or looking at new ones if really more suitable through either a Quintic session or a Samputt lab. Any recommendations from your experience on which would be more suitable, comprehensive and accurate. Both groups of course say theirs is the best. If I was sometime to consider coming to Toronto for a driver fitting once I have completed my current planned process, then I might consider adding a putter review too. But that’s a moot point at present.
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I can’t get anybody to bend a putter upright. I have a “curl shafted” two ball putter. I like to put straight back and straight through with my eyes over the ball, fairly bent over. The heel is, therefore, off the ground. I would love to get the putter head flat on the ground, but like I say, everywhere I’ve taken it, I get the same story: “We can’t bend a shaft like that.” Really?
I am super looking forward to you guys doing joint videos with Mark Crossfield!!! I've been very confused as to whether to fit or not to fit, whether to rate coaching lessons higher than club fitting or not!!!?! Can you fit Mark's equipment and see if Titleist did a good job fitting his equipment??? And throw in some crude balls with other manufacturers n see if he could indeed have any change or not?? I'm a fan of Mark so this is in no way hostile towards his amazing knowledge. But I just want to know learn for myself... thanks!!!
guys scotty cameron says the opposite of what this guy says,,,he says that for people with lots of face rotation you should get a toehang putter,,,,ifrom my perspective....i think seems logical that a toe heel putter magnifies your fce rotation, but cameron says that if u dont have a toehang putter you will miss putt to the right,,,i bough all my putter just as this fittier says....so...im lost...
Toe up putters? What do you think?
As in lie angle?
TXG Tour Experience Golf as in everything about them they showed up and kinda disappeared just as fast, on my opinion... you talked about face balance and toe hang but nothing about toe up
Has the grass length any importance when choosing the putter loft?
Yup for sure. Long video I know but there was a section of it talking about that. Generally speaking a little bit more loft can help on slower or bumpier greens, but there's other factors involved depending on the person's stroke.