"Budget Precision" Pt.3 - Zero and Accuracy Test Remington 700 AAC-SD
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- In this segment we show you how to zero your scope and run a basic accuracy test on the Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD. In a future episode we will do a review of the scope.
The Bolt knob is a KRG Ops. "Bolt Lift"
www.8541tactical.com/bolt_lift...
Took my sps tactical to the range for the first time this weekend. Replaced the houge stock with a h-s precision one, nightforce 2.5-10/42 scope, base and rings and was getting half inch groups all day. I was simply amazed. For a 600$ gun, you can't get any better.
Really great series on this rifle. You teach the best ways to get the most out of a budget rifle.
Wow, that bolt knob is a weapon of opportunity! Nice video and thanks for posting. Looking forward to the next video to see how much a free float and aluminum bed changes the point of impact.
Great vid buddy! Just purchased a aac-sd .308 last week and am about to order a bushnell 10x40 and the mounting gear. Was very excited to find this vid as it is pretty much the same setup im gonna be running.
Wow great production video. Looks like a true instructional DVD. Nice work!
Great videos. I actually added a new playlist and put these in it as I am beginning to learn scope installation. Thanks for your help.
Just recently acquired this rifle. Great informative video.
I ordered the Bolt Lift 5 days ago when I watched this video and got it yesterday! Wow that's some fast shipping. Looks great on my 700
No blinking during firing. Pure fucking awesomeness John
great tutorial! I've been working on zeroing my brand new Rem 700. Good tips.
Great video series as usual from you guys. I just ordered a Savage 10FCP-SR 308 Win 24-inch as a budget long range rifle as I am trying to get into LR shooting myself just as a hobby. I'll look to see if you have any reviews on it, but if not, I'd like to see a review on it if you guys have time to throw that one in. I ended up going with the Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 FDE with TRMR2 reticle after I saw the review on the HDMR. Thanks for your help in making that decision. Keep up the great work sir.
The group at 11:40 is interesting. Your most accurate shot was the first shot, which was also a cold bore shot. After your first shot, your barrel is fouled and heated, so the impact points seem to change permanently. If you don't count them as part of the same group, your groupings are extremely good.
glad you said that, I ordered a B&C VAR/TAC with the adjustable cheek rest and butt plate.
Over the last 8 years with some stuff done I got mine sub MOA reliably and dare I say. No bedding done! Truly Incredible.
Quick question sir? I am building this exact rifle. (Different scope) I was wondering if you did any break in on that barrel before zeroing ? Do you believe in break in? Or just clean & shoot it? If you did what were the steps? Thanks for this video series! It is exactly what in looking for, very informative!!!
I appreciate the series. How much variance in the groupings can be attributed to the barrel not being broken in yet? I took my rifle to the range today to zero and begin the barrel break in process, only shot 15 rounds through it and was averaging almost 2" groups at 100yds. I was using cheap 147gr PMC, i didnt want to waste match ammo on zeroing. Do you think the cheap ammo is a bigger factor in the poor grouping or an unbroken-in barrel?
i absolutely loved the first shot that drilled the black dot on the target
I picked up the habit of letting the follow through pick my head up off the cheek weld. I know that is bad technique but I also found that when I try to force the stable motion of keeping cheek weld throughout the follow through, my accuracy suffers. Good shooting here on this video...I assume you were in the Marine Corps.
great stuff brother, I appreciate the time to answer my silly questions. Here in Alaska most expertise is geared toward hunting set-ups. Question three.... When my stock arrives, and because of the fact I'm new to precision shooting, should I get a proffesional to install it? Or..... you could hurry the hell up with your next segment!
Keep up the good work. It pains me to say this, but, Sempi Fi!
Fair enough. Keep making the vids and I'll keep watching.
@LoneWolfUSMC Thanks for the vids man this is realy helping me out. My Rem 700 V is my first bolt gun and I was lost. Anyway I've been thinking of upgrading my stock to the B&C HOOK or the M40 you were talking about. Any particular reason your choosing the M40 style? Just wondering what the pros and cons are. Thanks again.
I just got an aac yesterday and was getting 1/2" groups at 100yds. With hornady 168 grain bthp
I have recently built up a Remington 700 SPS Tactical. I am working on building a M40A4 clone, or as close as I can get (cant afford the optics used). I did dremel out the for end a bit so that the barrel would free float when on the Harris bi-pod. I had the muzzle threaded at a local gun shop for the Surefire Socom muzzle brake. I used Badger Ordnance base and rings. The scope I went with is Trijicon Accupoint 5-20X50 and was able to secure sub moa groups at 100 yards. Could the groups you obtained be due in part to the optics you choose for the budget build? The next thing on my list is McMillan A4 USMC spec stock and Badger Ordnance M5 DBM. I did adjust the stock trigger. Overall I am pretty happy with the set up. I watch your videos all the time, keep up the good work, and Semper Fi ! BTW I am shooting Federal Gold Medal 175 gr
good video as i just purchased this rifle. can you tell me how you measured MAX , then xxx moa, the ATC then xxx moa. and as for width XXX and height XXX of what to what ? thanks
Is that scope worth starting out with? Just bought an SPS Tac .308 today. Scope is the next purchase. Great videos, man. Can tell you put good thought into them before shooting (the gun and the camera).
The bolt changes from when you were doing accuracy tests back to what I believe is the original bolt at the end when you are summing up
Great videos! I've learned a lot. Thank you
John, run some 2000MR powder with the Hornady 178s, HP or ELDs, my load is 47.3grs in Rem brass, shoots very good in my classic stocked, stainless steel rem sporter barrel, generally less than 2" at 200yds using 1.5-6x Burris Signature.
Trigger control is the hardest of the nine fundamentals of marksmanship to master. Making dam sure of natural point of aim is critical.
My Howa 1500s will smoke em all into a single jagged hole everytime I wait 15 minutes between shots to let these skinny barreled rifles time to retract from the heat, and so does my whole damn mess of rifles.
I am a reloading fool, and have to admit that you need the correct reloads for precision marksmanship.
In the marine corps, they build the rifles in Quantico to shoot the 175 grain Sierra Match kings, which are factory made ammo. This is exactly why we had to list the ammo lot numbers. DODIC- AA 11 Nomenclature M118 LR 7.62 SB.
And then the Lot #. Remember?
Since I don't have a precision rifle, I had to do it the other way, and I guarandamtee you that my stoopid Howas, Old Remington 700 30/06, Weatherby Vanguards, and that cheap ass Ruger American will poke all three into a single jagged hole everytime I let those barrels cool for 15 minutes between shots.
This is my new recipe for precision shooting., besides strict adherence to the 9 fundamentals of marksmanship.
great work, I'm a gun runner by trade but just bought my first Rem 700 SPS Varmint with 26" bull barrel. I also put a trijicon 5x20x50 on it. Although I'm no sniper I do know my way around any gun, tell me this, what stock would you recommend? I absolutely hate the stock that came with the rifle.
I notice that in the second test, the groups seemed to close at first (that second one was fantastic) and then open up again (the one in the middle especially so). Is this because of the progressive effect first of the "fouling shot" phenomenon, and then of barrel heating?
I have always bore sighted my rifle used a fixed bench took the first shot and since the rifle is locked into the same position I just look through the scope and dial my reticle to where the first shot hit and then take the shot again on target and its usually spot on.
I figured this would be the deal. I have one incoming in a Manners MCS-T4 w/ the Mini Chassis. I'll prob do a short vid to see how it shoots. I've had 2 custom built rifles. I'm excited to see how this stands up w/ just a stock/chassis change. I'm going to shoot the southwest 175s
I noticed that when you shoot you do not blink! Actually, I blink every time you fire, but you don't lol anyhow, thank you for your super informative and professionally done videos.
could this be a good 500 yard max range hunting rifle if setup time is take and a good hand load is setup for it ?
you should do a video showing the proper way to alien yourself behind the rifle in various shooting positions (bench rest, prone, etc.) and different options for rifle support ie. bipod vs sandbag. i think it would help alot of people
@LoneWolfUSMC
Hey i noticed in your vid that you mentioned the barrel was contacting the stock. Would you say that is a big negative as far as accuracy goes. I am looking into buying a rifle like this and wondering if that would be a bad thing as far as making for an accurate rifle? Would you suggest a different rifle in the 700 lineup instead of this? Thanks. And great vids
I was told that bigger barrels are better when shooting long range. I also wanna purchase the Remington SPS Varmint with the 24" inch barrel or that rifle you have in the video. If you can recommend one your opinion would be gladly appreciated. Thanks for the fast reply bud.
next question, what's the benefit of the long single piece scope base compared to the two piece? I bought weaver front and rear scope bases with Warne Maxima series 4 screw rings. Will this suffice or should I put more thought into a better set up? After dropping better than a grand on a scope I don't want crappy bases and rings holding me back....
Do you think this rifle is more accurate than the regular sps tactical with the 1:12" twist. Sniper central posted a review with a rifle shooting under half MOA. I know there will be some variations, but this one doesnt seem quite as accurate.
Thanks. Are fixed power better to start with? Or is that just a matter of preference?
I have an AR10 with the ADM Mount. Your video's show scope mounting for a bolt action rifle. What steps would you do differently for mounting a scope in the ADM mount then to a semi auto rifle?
The load is one of the most important factors, I chalk my quarter moa remmy up to the load mainly.
I put this same rifle in a Magpul Hunter stock, topped with a Pride Fowler RApid Reticle Evolution 7.62scope, and a Caldwell bipod and I shoot sub-moa from regularly out to 350 yards with cheap PMC X-Tac ammo. The factory stock is the only issue with this rifle, which is why i opted for the Magpul.
Great shooting! I have the bushy on order
What happened to part one and two? Can't seem to find them.
Thanks man I never thought of taking the bolt out and sighting through the barrel lol I just got a scope I'm going to do that as well when I zero
+TWDxKILL3R Me too. I have a bad habit of changing scopes on my rifles. I guess there are worse hobbies.
I between the bushnell elite 10x40 or a variable power 6-24x40 dusk/dawn scope there both priced close together I like the ability to increase zoom but I'm limited to 300yards where I live would a 10x 40 be enough and would the dusk/dawn hold zero on my 700sps .308
I have the same rifle, same scope. do you think that bipod might be messing with your groups? When I shot off a bag..prone supported, I was getting consistent 3/4" groups with 168gr Hornady MATCH. but off a bipod my groups were up around 1 1/2" plus. the hogue stock on this rifle isnt all that great to me. i would like to get a hs precision or bell and carlson and then maybe the shots off a bipod will improve. Whats your take in this?
I would have thought that with the 1:10 rifling it would like heavier ammo better than the usual 1:12 that more hunter-ish variants of the 700 comes with. Am I wrong for assuming that the 1:10 for this rifle was intended to control a heavier round better? I try to stay above 168 but part of that is just the cool factor of throwing heavier rounds down range which make for better power upon impacting the target.
I would love to go shooting with you sometime.. I live in Madison Indiana.. I have a aac-sd in a cadex chassis.. sometimes I can get a 1 moa or less and sometimes I cant.. its about 50 50 I guess idk really. I just love to shoot... as long I hit what I am shooting at I am generally happy lol.. I also have a rock river x1 5.56 and a ruger pre 308 gen 2... all stock for the most part. just stuff to make the fit me better but nothing major at all.. im not sure what to start on really.. o I do have a tim trigger in the rem 700..
Groups should get smaller as the barrel breaks in. Did you dial the eleavation down than zero the scope @ 100 so you have more room to dial up for the long shots combined with the 20 MOA base. Thats a tip if you dont got a 20 MOA base.
Love the Wallace and Grommit cardboard to attach your stickys to.
I saw some laser bore sighters by Sight-Rite at Cabelas. How are those for sighting in the scope?
@LoneWolfUSMC That makes it clear.Thank you for replying.
Does the aftermarket bolt "lift" that you put on go on over the stock one?
@semiautoriflelover1
That's why when I go out to zero again soon, I "ALWAYS" zero by shooting the dime traces. Since the last time I shot was out to 800 yards about a year ago across a field, I will be re-checking my zero to see how well my NightForce returned to perfect zero on the dime traces. (I'm sure my NightForce is still dead on though.)
hey quick question, so i did your idea with the shims since i have the same exact one, instead of 4 i used 10 shims so that there is a good amount of space between the barrel and the stock..... do you think that is too much? and can you over do it and have a catastrophic failure?
Do you think that one could fill the hogue stock with a strong resin in front? would this stiffen it up at all?
lol showed people the old school way of bore sighting. My Grandfather taught me that trick. looking down the barrel and then adjusting the scope.
How does a 168 grain bullet do in that 1/10 twist? Or what would be the lightest bullet you would run through your rifle.
Hello, What do you think of the JP AR 10's? I might be getting one here soon.
Hey, I just bought a brand new 700 sps, not 100% what it is but it has a varmint stock 20'' barrel, 1:10 twist, the barrel has been fluted just like the 700 sps LTR, the barrel also threaded for a muzzlebreak or suppressor. I searched around and it seems to be a limited edition sps Varmint. My question is, is this a good rifle compare to the 1:12 twist sps tactical? also I notice the barrel isn't free floated. Is it suppose to be like this? should i get a different stock? Thanks
Those groups look to be between 1.5-2 MOA? I have owned a couple of hunting M700s that shot 1 MOA or less. I'm really let down by the apparent performance of the AAC-SD. My 20" AR-15 shoots groups like the ones in this video with iron sights. Is there something I missed here?
great shooting
did you guys leave the thread cover on the rifle when you shot?
What would you say the limitation is on using a 10x scope?
Was looking at a swfa as 10x42 but was also wanting to shoot over 100 yards........
Thoughts?
At what distance should i zero my 700 AAC-SD? I have a SWFA 10x scope if that matters. I wanted to set my scope up at a local indoor range first.
thanks again. im placing my order in the morning. i would like to support your web site could use a new hat or two. what does 8514 stand for ? is that marine jargon? take it easy looking forward to your next vid !
@semiautoriflelover1
@ 4:22
He tells about the 1/4 MOA of "DEAD SPACE" or "bullet play" on a 1/4 MOA rated barrel rifle. There will always be approx 1/4 MOA cone of dead space @ 100 yards that a 1/4 MOA rifle can never be zeroed to.
Just like there will always be 2 MOA of "DEAD SPACE" or "bullet play" on a 2 MOA rated barrel rifle. There will always be approx 2 MOA circle of "dead space" or " bullet play" @ 100 yards that a 1/4 MOA rifle can never be zeroed to even using a NightForce.
@LoneWolfUSMC Hi.i noticed you shot with both eyes open does that effect the target shooting?
For you guys who had purchased AAC, is it a solid rifle to buy. I am trying to get my first rifle between a AR 15 with 20'' barrel or this AAC. I am more interested in long range shooting and all, but should I get AR 15 to shoot for a while as a perquisite before moving to a sniper style weapon? And also what is the max effective range of a 20'' AAC ?
Start with a bolt gun. It will build up your fundamentals of marksmenship. Just a reccomendation. But all in all, get what will satisfy you the most. The 20" AAC will get you as far as you want, it comes down to you doing your part.
Did you break in the barrel before you shot these groups?
Based on drop, 100 yards is usually right around the apex of the bullet's trajectory. if you zero it at 50 yards, it matches up with the 200 yard (roughly) zero. At 100 yards, you're looking at about a 1.5 inch rise above POA. This means that the bullet is closer to the POA for a longer period of time. It also means less adjustment at anything under 300 yards or so.
How far off was your elevation at Zero from your mechanical Zero? My 700 sps aac-sd needed the 20 MOA base to get close to mechanical zero. Its like the rifles action has a -20 MOA angle. Any info would be helpful.
what exactly is the purpose of your nonfiring hand when shooting in this position? and i noticed that your firing hand has a very loose grip on the rifle, why is that and how are you able to have good trigger control like this? im just wondering because ive only ever shot a rifle at long ranges in boot camp
Thanks bro, you're the best.
@LoneWolfUSMC I will give it a try. Thanks.
Is the 24" inch barrel better than 20" inch on the remington?
first shoot was beast
Quick question, what bipod are you running on this?
Is that bolt handle std. OEM for the SD? 2:22
Awesome vid. I also was wondering where you bought the Wallace and Gromit trick or treat-o matic...? Aahahahahah thanks again bro.
I would say that after you get a good layer of copper in that new barrel those groups will tighten up.
I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO BUT THE HOGUE STOCKS OVERALL ARE PRETTY DECENT STOCKS, I WOULD HOWEVER FREE FLOAT THE BARREL CHANNEL TWO INCHES FORWARD OF THE STOCK AND I WOUKD PLAY WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TORQUE ON THE BOTTOM METAL. THE HEAVY TORQUE LEVEL THAT'S GENERALLY USED BY MOST DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLIES WITH ALL STOCKS.👍
Good video. BTW, what is a Trick or Treat-o-Matic? Can I get it with 30 round mags ;)
what did the groups actually measure?
it must be lovely to be on the range by yourself
You could carve a damn cheek rest out of a block of wood in your back yard. No need to spend more money than you have. I give you a compliment and you give me a "I know it all" answer. Thanks for the reply, but I will have to start watching other vids.
the Hogue stock feels awesome but is horrible for shooting long range the gun touches it I do like the feel of it though and wish it was made better
Ill be honest, i have bought this exact rifle. The aac sd with 1:10 twist. It shot way better than that. Ive upgraded everything except the stock and i hold sub moa groups. Your groups look like when a barrel is to hot. Im gonna guess yours wasnt. I know you probably werent trying to but you gave the R700 kind of a bad name.
Your vids kick ass.
You know you don't have to press the bolt release again when putting the bolt back right?
@semiautoriflelover1
For the price these are good scope for the money, and just to be used for plinking. But I also think the glass has alot to do with them having different point of aim's, point of imacts.
Where as the NightForce does not have this problem. NightForce has supreme quality Glass that holds the same dead on sight picture everytime you look thru it.
You are jumping while firing. Sometimes earmuffs are too quiet and we get hyper aware to squeezing slowly as to surprise ourselves and we jump before the weapon fires. Try some ear buds with inserts and leave one insert out. Its an ol LRM trick. Great video. Sold me on purchasing this rifle in AAC
Hah. Rob, I can assure you that is not what is going on. If you dig a little deeper in this channel it should be pretty clear to you that it isn't the shooter. However you are of course free to believe what you wish.
Good luck getting this model of the Rem 700 new. No one has them in stock any longer. Have been trying.
I just got one for 800$ pricey ik but its at sports authority brand new had em in stock worth it to me also theres a couple on gun broker if u buy one online bout 600 somthing
yea, that is pricey. I went with the non AAC-SD and slightly diff barrel in the remy 700 model # 84207. Still shoots deadly accurate out of the box and spent less than $600,shipped. Lesson learn....next time, I'm building custom.
+WonderingAimlessly I actually looked at a brand new one in my local store earlier this week. They were asking 2500 for it but it had some crazy looking optic on it and included a Harris and a few other small things.
Hey, I am sure you are sick of the comments, my wife bought me this rifle (isn't she sweet) and I had similar performance shooting 150 grain match ammo. I upped that to some handloads of 168 gr a-max on lapua brass and my groups are consistently .3 MOA now. I was wondering if that black hills ammo you were shooting had lighter bullets... Thanks for the vid!
I don't recall if it was BHA 168 or 175 match.
I seen you didn't brake in the barrel. is that something that you don't think is essential ?
whats 8541 stand for?
TRG 22 in a 100 yards can group 1/4 inch or less