@@dashingeduardosuarez That's not a communist trait. Labor camps preceded the Soviet Union. The Imperial Russian authorities did not send people to the gulags. Instead they sent them to labor camps. Old Believers during Catherine the Great's reign were sent there for the "crime" of wanting to keep making the sign of the cross with two fingers rather than three, as an example. Gulag is an acronym to do with the soviet prison camp state body. The people who post here did not send anyone to gulags. The UK executed 309 of their own soldiers during WW1 for what they deemed as cowardice but what is now known as PTSD. So you see, harsh punishment is not a communist trait. But no one says that you shot your own soldiers.
@@lochnessmunster1189 communism as a whole, as an ideology valueing freedom, sees the wage relation as an infringement on this. you must sell your labour for less than it is worth to a capitalist, who uses it to needlessly accumulate wealth and pays you the smallest amount possible. this system is inherently exploitative. people are tied to their work, unable to be anything but a cog in a machine that makes another man money. i do not support north korea in any way, from their ideology to their government. they follow juche, a type of communism derived from marxist-leninism-maoism, which in turn was derived from stalin's interpretation of marxist-leninism. any reasonable person dislikes stalin and mao, and therefore i do not support juche. neither does this group. i and they are trotskyists, believers in the political works of leon trotsky, a man who opposed stalin and very nearly became leader of the ussr who was later assassinated. he opposed the idea of a cult of personality or an authorative state to purge counter-revolutionaries.
@@xandermoore6485 No, the theory that your labor is worth more than what you receive, just isn't true. An employer's inputs will lead you to be more productive than if those inputs didn't exist, and you will earn higher wages than if those inputs didn't exist. When a business closes, why does the income of its former employees go down, instead of up?
_He presented a good speech involving history, analysis, lessons and how to succeed. I wish he would be speaking more and more. His knowledge is immense. A well experienced Marxist_
"The writer of the letter is full of a noble and working-class hatred for the bourgeois “class politicians” (...) In a representative of the oppressed and exploited masses, this hatred is truly the “beginning of all wisdom”, the basis of any socialist and communist movement and of its success." V.I. Lenin
@@lochnessmunster1189 exploitation is an economic and political concept, oppression is just a political concept. not all resentment is petty resentment. if you read this carefully and you get Lenin and the context in which he's writing, you'll feel some Nietzschean creative destruction creeping in.
Look at the political language in the description for this video. "crushing poverty of the vast majority"- complete and total nonsense, as is Communism.
FYI, in case it may not be clear to everyone, the date in the video's description indicates when it was uploaded to this channel, not that of the talk itself. This talk was actually given on Saturday November 11, 2023, during Revolution Festival at Friends House in London. It thus coincided with Armistice Day/Remembrance Day/Veterans Day, as alluded to by the speaker, Fred Weston, at 46:19-46:36. The seminar on Lenin that he mentions at 42:53, meanwhile, was held in Milan on December 16-17, 2023.
Have a look at the description for the video. "Crushing poverty of the vast majority"- vague, subjective language which appeals to emotions rather than intellects, and gives no meaningful information whatsoever.
(12:41) To be clear, the Congress of Tours in France in 1920 was not a simple matter of the Socialist party becoming the Communist party. It witnessed a split within French socialists, whose party had been known, since 1905, as the SFIO (the full name of which translates in English as the French Section of the Labor International), with -- yes -- the majority part of it deciding to form the French Communist Party (PCF), aligned with the Soviet government and the Third International; but with others continuing as the SFIO (Marxist but wanting to maintain independence from Moscow). It was the SFIO which, in the 1930s, was led by Leon Blum, who during that time headed the Popular Front government, with the support of the PCF.
@@CaptPeon Because once 'Solidarity' has been achieved (whatever that actually means), the 'forever' component means that the state of being can never, ever be changed, because this will be a break from 'solidarity'. You're setting yourself up for a rigid, unchanging scenario in which dissent is to be punished.
@@yorkshiremgtow1773 Solidarity: unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group. Where is the "totalitarian force"?
@@lochnessmunster1189You literally don’t know what you’re talking about, or you do and choose instead to lie because the truth is inconvenient for you.
Just starting, love you folks. I begin.... thinking it is the global population wave leaning into social evolution. That we may have a chance to collectively solve huge shared problems and unleash human potential. Even the capitalists would be happier, tho they resist. ❤
@@lochnessmunster1189 There havn't been any communist country beyond 1922...yet. Don't try to confuse people by trying to equate communism with STALINISM, that bureaucratic degeneration of the Workers' State.
This propaganda will not stand! It’s “oriented,” not “orientated”! I will grant you the elegance of “theatre,” and my early reading of Tolkien will always cement in my mind that “grey” is far superior to “gray,” but orientated adds a syllable for no danged reason. Rest of the talk was A+, obviously.
Revolutionary international organization….Bob is from Chicago and Jim is from Toronto. All 20 of us…spend 50% of the time arguing over the revolutionary newspaper articles that no one reads. Sitting in a room talking about Lenin, hating on people(saying hate is your strength), what a bunch of sad people.
@@totig2929 So, if you are self-employed, which 'class' are you in? If you are a shareholder, to which 'class' do you belong? Why production, and not distribution?
@@lochnessmunster1189 if you are self-employed, you could be considered petty bourgeois but still a section of the working class because in marxism your class is usually decided by what make the majority of your money. Somone who owns a few shares but works way more, Is a petty bourgeois working class person but someone who owns a lot of stocks but works a bit is a capitalist
@@lochnessmunster1189 shareholders are the epitome of the capitalist class as they, by definition, make their money by owning property. remember when marxists talk about capitalist, they are 99% of the time talking about ultra rich billionaires who have no need to work a day in their lives. People who exist only off the exploitation of others. Think Elon Musk, not your average self-employed person.
Knicklas. Talk to us mate. We can't discuss if you dont raise a point. Let's have a discussion. You never know, you might end up thinking we're not so bad : )
@@Be_great577 Assuming that you are describing the attempt by Communists to somehow shoehorn the bourgeois idea of "human nature" into the round hole of Socialism. Firstly, what is commonly described as human nature is what is rewarded and seems to be the defining idea of said human nature. Let's not forget that private property and the creation of the working class was not a seamless and natural progression from agrarian and small holding economic and social relationships but was pitilessly forged. (1) The idea of human nature is an idea that was debated between a group in the mid 19th century who called themselves "True Socialists" and Karl Marx. The basic and significant difference between them is that the true Socialists believed that appealing to people's so-called "true", kind, selfless human nature by education and moral entreaties will lead to Socialism regardless of class while Marxism shows that only a class conscious working class acting in its own interests will free society from the chains of wage slavery. It is not about moralizing. (2) (1) The Rise of the British working class: th-cam.com/video/mFpvkVTTuwY/w-d-xo.html (2) "Marx's Critique of 'True Socialism;" : www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/hook/1935/01/truesoc.htm
@@Be_great577 @kristapsjansons8423 Assuming that you are describing the attempt by Communists to somehow shoehorn the bourgeois idea of "human nature" into the round hole of Socialism. Firstly, what is commonly described as human nature is what is rewarded and seems to be the defining idea of said human nature. Let's not forget that private property and the creation of the working class was not a seamless and natural progression from agrarian and small holding economic and social relationships but was pitilessly forged. (1) The idea of human nature is an idea that was debated between a group in the mid 19th century who called themselves "True Socialists" and Karl Marx. The basic and significant difference between them is that the true Socialists believed that appealing to people's so-called "true", kind, selfless human nature by education and moral entreaties will lead to Socialism regardless of class while Marxism shows that only a class conscious working class working in its own interests will free society from the chains of wage slavery. It is not about moralizing. (2). For the mainstream relatively left-wing parties Socialism harks back to 'true' Socialism and not the Marxism. (1) The Rise of the British working class: th-cam.com/video/mFpvkVTTuwY/w-d-xo.html (2) "Marx's Critique of 'True Socialism;" (Sydney Hook, 1935): www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/hook/1935/01/truesoc.htm
Together we are strong.
Solidarity for survival. Workers of the world unite
How ironic coming from the most sectarian organisation in british history whos whole ethos is debunked by one sentence in the Communist Manifesto.
@@Zejtuni please elaborate
Workers of the world Unite
From IMT Pakistan
Solidarity comrade from the RCP in Britain (as it will be soon after our congress)
FOR THE INTERNATIONALE
Find yourself a better organisation, unless you want to continue being labeled a sex offender sympathiser
@@Zejtuni The actions of one are not the actions of the group.
Our organisation has nothing to do with whatever that is
@@ONEisN0THING You're right, instead you lock people up in gulags for ten years because they cracked a joke at work.
@@dashingeduardosuarez That's not a communist trait. Labor camps preceded the Soviet Union. The Imperial Russian authorities did not send people to the gulags. Instead they sent them to labor camps. Old Believers during Catherine the Great's reign were sent there for the "crime" of wanting to keep making the sign of the cross with two fingers rather than three, as an example. Gulag is an acronym to do with the soviet prison camp state body.
The people who post here did not send anyone to gulags.
The UK executed 309 of their own soldiers during WW1 for what they deemed as cowardice but what is now known as PTSD. So you see, harsh punishment is not a communist trait. But no one says that you shot your own soldiers.
never before have i seen a group as dedicated as yours to the preservation of marxist theory. one day the world will be free
North Koreans are "free"? And "free" from what???
@@lochnessmunster1189 communism as a whole, as an ideology valueing freedom, sees the wage relation as an infringement on this. you must sell your labour for less than it is worth to a capitalist, who uses it to needlessly accumulate wealth and pays you the smallest amount possible. this system is inherently exploitative. people are tied to their work, unable to be anything but a cog in a machine that makes another man money. i do not support north korea in any way, from their ideology to their government. they follow juche, a type of communism derived from marxist-leninism-maoism, which in turn was derived from stalin's interpretation of marxist-leninism. any reasonable person dislikes stalin and mao, and therefore i do not support juche. neither does this group. i and they are trotskyists, believers in the political works of leon trotsky, a man who opposed stalin and very nearly became leader of the ussr who was later assassinated. he opposed the idea of a cult of personality or an authorative state to purge counter-revolutionaries.
@@xandermoore6485 No, the theory that your labor is worth more than what you receive, just isn't true. An employer's inputs will lead you to be more productive than if those inputs didn't exist, and you will earn higher wages than if those inputs didn't exist.
When a business closes, why does the income of its former employees go down, instead of up?
@@lochnessmunster1189You are an absolute fud
_He presented a good speech involving history, analysis, lessons and how to succeed. I wish he would be speaking more and more. His knowledge is immense. A well experienced Marxist_
Is the Labour Theory of Value, actually true?
"The writer of the letter is full of a noble and working-class hatred for the bourgeois “class politicians” (...) In a representative of the oppressed and exploited masses, this hatred is truly the “beginning of all wisdom”, the basis of any socialist and communist movement and of its success." V.I. Lenin
What does "oppressed" mean and "exploited", here?
A religion of resentment.
@@tmlavenz It certainly sounds that way.
@@lochnessmunster1189 exploitation is an economic and political concept, oppression is just a political concept.
not all resentment is petty resentment. if you read this carefully and you get Lenin and the context in which he's writing, you'll feel some Nietzschean creative destruction creeping in.
@@RedFlagSaid What do you mean by 'exploitation' in economic and political terms?
An excellent speech, very informative, thank you Fred! Bolshevik greetings from Morocco ❤
Inspiring! :) Vorwärts zur Internationale Genossen!
Solidarity forever🚩🚩 from Bangladesh.
Look at the political language in the description for this video. "crushing poverty of the vast majority"- complete and total nonsense, as is Communism.
FYI, in case it may not be clear to everyone, the date in the video's description indicates when it was uploaded to this channel, not that of the talk itself. This talk was actually given on Saturday November 11, 2023, during Revolution Festival at Friends House in London. It thus coincided with Armistice Day/Remembrance Day/Veterans Day, as alluded to by the speaker, Fred Weston, at 46:19-46:36.
The seminar on Lenin that he mentions at 42:53, meanwhile, was held in Milan on December 16-17, 2023.
Solidarity ✊️
Very informative! Thank you comrade
Have a look at the description for the video. "Crushing poverty of the vast majority"- vague, subjective language which appeals to emotions rather than intellects, and gives no meaningful information whatsoever.
(12:41) To be clear, the Congress of Tours in France in 1920 was not a simple matter of the Socialist party becoming the Communist party. It witnessed a split within French socialists, whose party had been known, since 1905, as the SFIO (the full name of which translates in English as the French Section of the Labor International), with -- yes -- the majority part of it deciding to form the French Communist Party (PCF), aligned with the Soviet government and the Third International; but with others continuing as the SFIO (Marxist but wanting to maintain independence from Moscow). It was the SFIO which, in the 1930s, was led by Leon Blum, who during that time headed the Popular Front government, with the support of the PCF.
Social Democracy, Public Welfare and Social Justice may live long 🌹
✊
Solidarity forever! ✊🏼
Forever? No change, no hope of change? Totalitarianism 101.
@@lochnessmunster1189how did you manage to flip unity towards progress into totalitarianism?
@@CaptPeon Because once 'Solidarity' has been achieved (whatever that actually means), the 'forever' component means that the state of being can never, ever be changed, because this will be a break from 'solidarity'. You're setting yourself up for a rigid, unchanging scenario in which dissent is to be punished.
@@CaptPeon'Solidarity'- every single person forced to confirm and obey, with punishments for those who don't.
@@yorkshiremgtow1773 Solidarity: unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group.
Where is the "totalitarian force"?
❤
Powerful speaker.
That's all that Communism needs. Not informed speakers, or those who tell both sides of the argument... just 'powerful' speakers.
@@lochnessmunster1189fud
@@lochnessmunster1189You literally don’t know what you’re talking about, or you do and choose instead to lie because the truth is inconvenient for you.
@@Suo_kongque No. The truth is, so much of Marxism was debunked even while he was alive.
@@Suo_kongque No. The truth is, so much of Marxism was debunked even while he was alive.
Just starting, love you folks. I begin.... thinking it is the global population wave leaning into social evolution. That we may have a chance to collectively solve huge shared problems and unleash human potential. Even the capitalists would be happier, tho they resist. ❤
You think human potential hasn't yet been unleashed?
Grand job.
Free Palestine, Free Assange!
What is the name of that faction he refers to at 38:37? Sounds like 'Taffites' or something? But closed captioning is no help.
Taaffites refers to followers of Peter Taaffe of the Socialist Party - basically the other side of the split in the Militant to us
@@Will-y2y Thank you.
Great video comrade.
Which Communist country would you like to emulate?
@lochnessmunstpiss er1189 go away troll...
@@lochnessmunster1189fud
@@lochnessmunster1189 There havn't been any communist country beyond 1922...yet. Don't try to confuse people by trying to equate communism with STALINISM, that bureaucratic degeneration of the Workers' State.
@@Angel_Lopez10D10 Communism always turns into Stalinism. Why?
🚩🚩🚩🚩
This propaganda will not stand!
It’s “oriented,” not “orientated”! I will grant you the elegance of “theatre,” and my early reading of Tolkien will always cement in my mind that “grey” is far superior to “gray,” but orientated adds a syllable for no danged reason.
Rest of the talk was A+, obviously.
if youre a follower of james cannon are you called a cannonite? ty im here all week
K’ess koo fah, doss ess fah-lem
(Rise in thunder)
Revolutionary international organization….Bob is from Chicago and Jim is from Toronto. All 20 of us…spend 50% of the time arguing over the revolutionary newspaper articles that no one reads. Sitting in a room talking about Lenin, hating on people(saying hate is your strength), what a bunch of sad people.
Actually we have around 7000 members across 30 countries or so and growing rapidly!
Talks like this take ten years off my life!
And talks like this take ten years off people's intellects, too.
Can someone explain to me what the hell does "class" mean in Marxism?
Relation to the means of production
@@totig2929 So, if you are self-employed, which 'class' are you in?
If you are a shareholder, to which 'class' do you belong?
Why production, and not distribution?
@@lochnessmunster1189 if you are self-employed, you could be considered petty bourgeois but still a section of the working class because in marxism your class is usually decided by what make the majority of your money. Somone who owns a few shares but works way more, Is a petty bourgeois working class person but someone who owns a lot of stocks but works a bit is a capitalist
@@lochnessmunster1189 shareholders are the epitome of the capitalist class as they, by definition, make their money by owning property. remember when marxists talk about capitalist, they are 99% of the time talking about ultra rich billionaires who have no need to work a day in their lives. People who exist only off the exploitation of others. Think Elon Musk, not your average self-employed person.
@@lochnessmunster1189fud
Trotskyists 👎
Bye bye troll...
> IMT
> Modest
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joke
Haha
if someone with a profile picture like that disagrees with us then we must be doing something right
Could you be more specific mate?
Knicklas. Talk to us mate. We can't discuss if you dont raise a point.
Let's have a discussion. You never know, you might end up thinking we're not so bad : )
@@Be_great577
Assuming that you are describing the attempt by Communists to somehow shoehorn the bourgeois idea of "human nature" into the round hole of Socialism. Firstly, what is commonly described as human nature is what is rewarded and seems to be the defining idea of said human nature. Let's not forget that private property and the creation of the working class was not a seamless and natural progression from agrarian and small holding economic and social relationships but was pitilessly forged. (1)
The idea of human nature is an idea that was debated between a group in the mid 19th century who called themselves "True Socialists" and Karl Marx. The basic and significant difference between them is that the true Socialists believed that appealing to people's so-called "true", kind, selfless human nature by education and moral entreaties will lead to Socialism regardless of class while Marxism shows that only a class conscious working class acting in its own interests will free society from the chains of wage slavery. It is not about moralizing. (2)
(1) The Rise of the British working class:
th-cam.com/video/mFpvkVTTuwY/w-d-xo.html
(2) "Marx's Critique of 'True Socialism;" :
www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/hook/1935/01/truesoc.htm
@@Be_great577 @kristapsjansons8423
Assuming that you are describing the attempt by Communists to somehow shoehorn the bourgeois idea of "human nature" into the round hole of Socialism. Firstly, what is commonly described as human nature is what is rewarded and seems to be the defining idea of said human nature. Let's not forget that private property and the creation of the working class was not a seamless and natural progression from agrarian and small holding economic and social relationships but was pitilessly forged. (1)
The idea of human nature is an idea that was debated between a group in the mid 19th century who called themselves "True Socialists" and Karl Marx. The basic and significant difference between them is that the true Socialists believed that appealing to people's so-called "true", kind, selfless human nature by education and moral entreaties will lead to Socialism regardless of class while Marxism shows that only a class conscious working class working in its own interests will free society from the chains of wage slavery. It is not about moralizing. (2). For the mainstream relatively left-wing parties Socialism harks back to 'true' Socialism and not the Marxism.
(1) The Rise of the British working class:
th-cam.com/video/mFpvkVTTuwY/w-d-xo.html
(2) "Marx's Critique of 'True Socialism;" (Sydney Hook, 1935):
www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/hook/1935/01/truesoc.htm