@28:30 "So this has been sort of a quick and dirty run down on surround disc formats..." Glad you mentioned all these - am on the hunt! LOL. Got the Robert Cray a few weeks ago - mint/sealed at a lowish price! TY.
Thanks, this was a great presentation. I would have never known about Be Bop Deluxe without your recommendation. I went ahead and now own Futurama, Axe Victim and Starburst Finish. Love the shredding. Hope you will do a segment on Bill Nelson's surround albums in the near future.
That was excellent! I am looking forward to your shoot out videos. Great idea! My pursuit of surround sound music came after hearing Dear Mr. Fantasy during the Avengers End Game movie. After finishing the movie I played Dear Mr. Fantasy through Spotify on my home theater and couldn't believe it was even the same song. I felt like it was a steep learning curve trying to get to the point where I could experience albums the way music sounded in movies. This video summed up everything I have learned so far plus some information on formats I didn't know existed. I hope this video helps more people get into this hobby. Still hoping for a surround release of Mr. Fantasy...oh and awesome chair by the way.
The song gets a discrete surround mix at the end of the movie? That's cool! Like "Down to Earth" by Peter Gabriel at the end of Wall-E. The shoot outs should be fun.
I use my Oppo BDP-95 analog outs to my Denon Ext in as a direct source rendering the avr to just an amp..the 95..105..205 have better DACS so when configured correctly front left and right utilize those dacs...BTW i own alot of surround and have 0 of the titles you just showed...great vid again Mike...Thanks
I do exactly that with my Oppo 105 and Onkyo preamp - and for the same reason, i.e. Oppo DAC. Both are 7.1 capable although Oppo cannot do 7.1 for anything else than DTS variants. However, for example Tidal stereo upmix to 7.1 by Oppo works surprisingly well, although with large variance. Mconnect app supports lossless Tidal streaming to Oppo "upmixer".
Right! I could swear that Oppo DAC (via analogue 7.1) sounds better that Onkyo 5508's (via HDMI). Then again, many years ago I failed miserably ABX test my wife organised. What's funny is that during the test I was still certain that could hear the difference. The result, however, was total failure: 10 out of 20 correct. Perfect coin toss, that is. But maybe we should repeat the test for the Oppo-Onkyo pair...? Anyway, good luck to your listening tests! ABX is the way to do it, by the way (you don't know when the source truly changes - you only have your ears to rely on).
I just got round to viewing this & it's one of your most enjoyable vids. I will look for that Kraftwerk 3D video box. I saw them twice, at the Palladium in Hollywood in the '90's & also during the 3D tour at the Hollywood Bowl. The film they ran that night featured a little flying saucer over the Hollywood Hills, during which a guy 2 rows in front of me craned his neck so his 3D glasses had the full effect & gasped, "Whoa...Sick!"
The SALONEN/HITCHCOCK release was issued in both SA-CD and a separate CD with Pro Logic Dolby Surround, though the CD track on the SA-CD does not sound like it has those surrounds. A great album, you might want to get both to compare.
Toy Matinee is awesome, totally agree. The 5.1 mix is stunning. I’m not sure if I was the original commenter who inspired you, but either way, I’m looking forward to the shootout! Great job as always, Mike!
Great video. Got lots of the CD versions of the stuff you featured, including Bowie’s “Heathen” which is not one of my favorites of his by a long shot. But I’ll give it another try. Mainly because you pronounced Bowie like it’s Bow-wow-wowie! 😮. The ‘o’ is long, pardner!
The 5.1 mixes for Heathen & Reality really won me over. They're among my favorite Bowie albums now. I wish Next Day and Black Star received the same treatment. But... at least we have the music. I'll try them through the Surround Master sometime!
Who disliked this lol?? Thanks for making me spend more money, grabbed the Robert Cray, Lyle Lovett, & George McCrae! You're absolutely right on the Marley & Kraftwerk!!
I'm the one who said many times I wanted a comparison of the Toy Matinee album and I'm very happy you agreed to do it...but ,as you said, you don't need an excuse...it is a fantastic album by the late Kevin Gilbert and I envy your surround versions...I can't find anything, not even on Discogs for a decent price..
Also, some DVD-Audios and other discs offer DTS 96/24 (Queen) or DTS-ES (Everclear music videos) while AURO3D (apparently built on DTS, it was the first 12-track format, first used not he film RED TAILS, produced by George Lucas) is a competitor to Dolby Atmos and DTS: X, with DTS: X not being used for music enough.
In you top atmos albums video you recommended Booka Shade - Galvany Street. They put out another atmos album last year called Dear Future Self, it's a great album and has a really great Atmos mix. It's on amazon for ~20 dollars, but it comes from Germany so it takes a while to get to the States.
Another GREAT! Informative review although I must admit I am still not convinced that 9.1 and 11.1 sourced material is actually out there and I do not count Dolby Atmos has an extra channel either because it’s only metadata and nothing more than a synthetic channel a bit like the same sort of thing that Creative Labs were doing with environmental sounds for games with their so-called EAX system. Dolby have never really impressed me that much not even with their so-called NR they put on cassette decks years ago and you were far better without it if you wanted to hear the clarity and more in a recording. DTS in most cases is more superior. Those Dolby Surround CD’s you were on about I remember Isao Tomita releasing his back catalogue with the format and in all honesty, it was a farce. You could just as easily use any CD and play it back with Prologic XX or even in 7 Channel Stereo and get the same results and in the case of his CD’s even better results because they were never right. I even got better results with the CD’s that were put out before they were flooded onto the market. That is one of the formats I would not bother with though I have not heard anything else done in them apart from Tomita’s albums. I love the two quad albums of his that Dutton Vocalion put out last year or the year before. Those DTS CD’s I thought were quite good because they were like an SACD where you just put them on and play them without having to go through menu setups and so on like you do with DVD & Blu Ray. I only ever had one of them and it was On Air by Alan Parsons and that was very pleasing to my ears. I do actually favour SACD for that convenient reason because it’s just like a CD that you stick on and play without all that palaver so to speak. Though of course I am open to all formats when it comes to surround and you are dead right, they all have good and bad about them all and it is really down to how well the engineer has done the mix at the end of the day. I myself only use Direct and avoid DSP’s cause I like to hear what the engineer intended to do with the mix. By the way I have not got that Kraftwerk one you had. I do have their Minimum Maximum live concert DVD and that is quite mind blowing in surround too. I will have to get that one you have. I am pretty sure all the others you have are GREAT! Too and good recommendations.
On Air is an excellent DTS CD. I love the Christopher Cross track. If I understand correctly, 9.1, 11.1, etc. refers to the number of AVR channels will be utilized on playback in direct mode. It's not so much an indicator of source channels. Though I can tell you, particularly with some of the more meticulous Auro-3D recordings, that they actually set up mics in a 3D configuration and attempt to mix in a way that replicates the space as closely as possible. Like 2L. Dazzling stuff.
Be-Bop Deluxe? I saw them at Winterland back in the '70s and loved the show. I think they opened for Yes or Rush or someone huge. I'm gonna go hunt this down. 'Sunburst Finish' is one of the albums I put on when I'm in the mood to play phonographs.
Regarding Surround CD's, have you ever tried tonolay them through what Is known as the Hafler circuit? Also known as the "poor man's surround sound" for what i've read that Is the way to go and honestly Is also really fun to listen to plain stereo music that way, anyway i liked your video.
Great video going through all the surround sound music formats. I am so glad I bought an oppo as well. It's a beast and plays virtually anything you put in it! 👍
@@lifeinsurround Yup. I did go region free . Best decision I ever made as a collector. The media world is now mine. I just need more money to buy it all! 🤟🎸
I loved the video, and you did surprise me with the DD-CD. I was unaware of that format. The other surprise was the exclusion the other low lever format., MVI. Who could forget the releases of Snakes and Arrows and The Nightfly Trilogy on this suspect format.
@@lifeinsurround I was gonna actually ask about the MVI format but I guess I got my answer LoL. Anyway I only have the Rush Snakes release on this format which was pretty short lived anyway. There were only a few titles released. I’m hoping Rush re-releases the Snakes and Arrows album on Blu Ray at least and maybe it’ll be better. I can’t even remember how the surround mix was on it but I don’t think it was anything mind blowing anyway.
@@tomburden right on. Hope you're having a good day. I think it's funny that DB himself became rather confused over the topic. I have mainly adopted Ricky Gervais's pronunciation, so we can blame him!
Great video. I have a lot of SACD titles that I enjoy, but I heard that the downside has to do with the DAC implementation. You have to use an old 1999 era Sony DAC to decrypt the format, because that’s the chip where the decryption key resides. Another analog to digital and DAC is then required to get the signal to output. I think I heard that in a video from Paul McGowan of PS Audio.
I'll have to take your word for it! I haven't had any trouble running straight up DSD on any of my systems. But I convert to PCM, so I can use HDMI and bass-management. I hear no quality loss. (But I'm NOT an audiophile...)
I think Paul may have been referring to DSD from an SACD. You don't necessarily need that to get excellent sound as long as you have an SACD capable player that supports multiple channels which, sadly, are rare in 2021.
Not sure if you have the Emerson Lake and Palmer - Return of the Manticore box set, that has the song Pictures at an Exhibition that they did a new studio recording exclusively for the box and its mixed in Dolby Surround. It’s done really well IMO.
I know this list was for disc formats but where would you say the Tidal atmos music falls in this list? In other words, if the album is available in atmos on Tidal would it still be worth it to get a physical copy? Or is it more a case by case?
Tidal would be in the lossy section. Super low bandwidth and tons of size compression. Every blu-ray I've tried, compared to it's Tidal counterpart, has better definition. Still, listening on Tidal *is* enjoyable. Or Apple TV+, etc.
Nice video, man!! Have you ever heard the prog rock band RPWL? They sound like, A momentary lapse of reason/Division Bell- Pink Floyd albums. So, the other day I was watching their live DVD "A Show Beyond Man and Time" and the surround sound is just amazing! I recommend you to give it an opportunity!
I love Toy Matinee and I have that DVD-A(from DTS) and regular CD. Only the multi-channel layer is actually high resolution(sort of-48Khz/24-bit) and the stereo tracks are just either Dolby Digital or DTS. One note on Doby Surround CD, it is fully intentional by Dolby for its formats to be full backwards compatible from the original Dolby Stereo for films right up to the present Dolby Atmos. Worst formats? Where's Dual Disc?
Dualdisc just glues CD and DVD-V or DVD-A together. And I cover them in other videos. They wouldn't have fit neatly anywhere in this list and they really offer nothing new. Kind of a non-format.
@@lifeinsurround My DVD-Audio : David Crosby’s “If I Could Only Remember My Name” is 24/192 in stereo & 24/96 in 5.1 dts or “Advanced Resolution”sounds fantastic. Without video content a DVD can have just enough space to do ultra hi-res. Also on another note I have several dts CDs and I swear a couple are 20bit, not 16. Thought I read that somewhere. Anyways my Santana “Abraxas“, Steve Miller “Fly Like an Eagle” and Paul McCartney “Band On The Run” are spectacular sounding, way better than any DolbyDigital AC3(24/48) that I’ve ever heard and competitive with DVD-A, SACD, BD, etc. What struck me on these is the smoothness as if it’s actually capturing the magic of vinyl. Love your channel. I also use an Oppo 103 connected to a 2013 Yamaha Aventage 7.2 tho I have 9 speakers hooked to it. I listen via HDMI and also have stereo analog outs to an Echo link(for whole house audio) and then to a tube pre-amp before going into the Yamaha. Wish I had an Oppo 105 or 205 but I also could run a digital coax out from my old Oppo to a separate DAC but DACs that do DSD get pricey. Will be upgrading to a modern Atmos/dtsX AVR soon.
Solid video. I have a couple of those surround CDs (classical titles I think) you covered at the beginning, I'm not sure I've tried setting the receiver to dolby with them. I've been pleasantly surprised with the few DTS-CDs I have. The mixes on these releases tend to favor having some elements discretely located in the rear, but not usually a lot of instrumentation through the whole song. I suspect it's a compression strategy to mask the fact it's lower bitrate.
Try it! Some sound ok (Star Trek), some not so much (Handel's Messiah), but it's fun to try it out and see what you get. DTS CD is pretty hit or miss for me, but I have quite a few. Like Abraxas sounds pretty bad. Thankfully the SACD come out recently.
@@lifeinsurround Haha well one of them is Handel's Messiah (2 disc 'reference gold'), and the other is Tchaikovsky packaged very similarly by Intersound, also labeled reference gold. Those are the only two I have.
@28:30 "So this has been sort of a quick and dirty run down on surround disc formats..." Glad you mentioned all these - am on the hunt! LOL. Got the Robert Cray a few weeks ago - mint/sealed at a lowish price! TY.
A hunting we shall go! Have fun.
Thanks, this was a great presentation. I would have never known about Be Bop Deluxe without your recommendation. I went ahead and now own Futurama, Axe Victim and Starburst Finish. Love the shredding. Hope you will do a segment on Bill Nelson's surround albums in the near future.
That was excellent! I am looking forward to your shoot out videos. Great idea! My pursuit of surround sound music came after hearing Dear Mr. Fantasy during the Avengers End Game movie. After finishing the movie I played Dear Mr. Fantasy through Spotify on my home theater and couldn't believe it was even the same song. I felt like it was a steep learning curve trying to get to the point where I could experience albums the way music sounded in movies. This video summed up everything I have learned so far plus some information on formats I didn't know existed. I hope this video helps more people get into this hobby. Still hoping for a surround release of Mr. Fantasy...oh and awesome chair by the way.
The song gets a discrete surround mix at the end of the movie? That's cool! Like "Down to Earth" by Peter Gabriel at the end of Wall-E. The shoot outs should be fun.
@@lifeinsurround I didn't think to listen in the credits. I'll have to check. I was just referring to the 15 seconds or so it plays during the movie.
Loved this! Super informative. I just ordered the Robert Cray DVD-A
Hope you enjoy it!
I use my Oppo BDP-95 analog outs to my Denon Ext in as a direct source rendering the avr to just an amp..the 95..105..205 have better DACS so when configured correctly front left and right utilize those dacs...BTW i own alot of surround and have 0 of the titles you just showed...great vid again Mike...Thanks
I do exactly that with my Oppo 105 and Onkyo preamp - and for the same reason, i.e. Oppo DAC. Both are 7.1 capable although Oppo cannot do 7.1 for anything else than DTS variants. However, for example Tidal stereo upmix to 7.1 by Oppo works surprisingly well, although with large variance. Mconnect app supports lossless Tidal streaming to Oppo "upmixer".
Yeah, any xx5 series have the improved DAC, IIRC. xx3 series are really meant for HDMI or use with an external preamp.
Right! I could swear that Oppo DAC (via analogue 7.1) sounds better that Onkyo 5508's (via HDMI). Then again, many years ago I failed miserably ABX test my wife organised. What's funny is that during the test I was still certain that could hear the difference. The result, however, was total failure: 10 out of 20 correct. Perfect coin toss, that is. But maybe we should repeat the test for the Oppo-Onkyo pair...? Anyway, good luck to your listening tests! ABX is the way to do it, by the way (you don't know when the source truly changes - you only have your ears to rely on).
Great reviews--so right on about Robert Cray dvd and George McRae👍
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I just got round to viewing this & it's one of your most enjoyable vids. I will look for that Kraftwerk 3D video box. I saw them twice, at the Palladium in Hollywood in the '90's & also during the 3D tour at the Hollywood Bowl. The film they ran that night featured a little flying saucer over the Hollywood Hills, during which a guy 2 rows in front of me craned his neck so his 3D glasses had the full effect & gasped, "Whoa...Sick!"
That's an awesome concert memory! Thank you.
The SALONEN/HITCHCOCK release was issued in both SA-CD and a separate CD with Pro Logic Dolby Surround, though the CD track on the SA-CD does not sound like it has those surrounds. A great album, you might want to get both to compare.
Toy Matinee is awesome, totally agree. The 5.1 mix is stunning. I’m not sure if I was the original commenter who inspired you, but either way, I’m looking forward to the shootout! Great job as always, Mike!
You're a part of the inspiration, for sure. Looking forward to deep diving on a couple of excellent albums.
Another great review it was very informative did not know about dolby cds Thanks
Maybe you'll come across some! The usually say "Surround Sound" somewhere on the packaging.
Great video. Got lots of the CD versions of the stuff you featured, including Bowie’s “Heathen” which is not one of my favorites of his by a long shot. But I’ll give it another try. Mainly because you pronounced Bowie like it’s Bow-wow-wowie! 😮. The ‘o’ is long, pardner!
Bowie is on record saying he used 3 different pronunciations, including like bow-wow. And that's how Ricky Gervais tends to say it. 🤷♂️
The 5.1 mixes for Heathen & Reality really won me over. They're among my favorite Bowie albums now. I wish Next Day and Black Star received the same treatment. But... at least we have the music. I'll try them through the Surround Master sometime!
@@lifeinsurroundThe song Blackstar would definitely be amazing in surround sound.
That Star trek disc is interesting. I didn't know there was an actual use for Pro logic etc on my amp anymore. And that it is a CD is also cool!.
Dolby surround CDs can often be found cheeeeaaaap. Makes hunting them fun and pain free.
@@lifeinsurround Are they easily identifiable when finding the title online?
Who disliked this lol?? Thanks for making me spend more money, grabbed the Robert Cray, Lyle Lovett, & George McCrae! You're absolutely right on the Marley & Kraftwerk!!
Haters gonna hate & players gonna play! I love making surround buddies spend $$!
I'm the one who said many times I wanted a comparison of the Toy Matinee album and I'm very happy you agreed to do it...but ,as you said, you don't need an excuse...it is a fantastic album by the late Kevin Gilbert and I envy your surround versions...I can't find anything, not even on Discogs for a decent price..
The time has come! I'm gonna be listening for Tim Pierce's guitar parts too. Really like his YT channel.
I am late in my viewing list it seems... It is very informative, thank you. I look forward to the blind tests, surprises?
Beam me up, Baggy. Nice intro man... 🖖 Great vid, and that's the same order I would've gone for too. 😎
haha - I hadn't done the empty chair trick in a while. thought it would be worth a chuckle. :)
Also, some DVD-Audios and other discs offer DTS 96/24 (Queen) or DTS-ES (Everclear music videos) while AURO3D (apparently built on DTS, it was the first 12-track format, first used not he film RED TAILS, produced by George Lucas) is a competitor to Dolby Atmos and DTS: X, with DTS: X not being used for music enough.
In you top atmos albums video you recommended Booka Shade - Galvany Street. They put out another atmos album last year called Dear Future Self, it's a great album and has a really great Atmos mix. It's on amazon for ~20 dollars, but it comes from Germany so it takes a while to get to the States.
Yes, I like Dear Future Self too! I hope Booka Shade keeps doing immersive blu-rays.
Very interesting video here
. Think i would be poor if i tried to collect all i wanted
Another GREAT! Informative review although I must admit I am still not convinced that 9.1 and 11.1 sourced material is actually out there and I do not count Dolby Atmos has an extra channel either because it’s only metadata and nothing more than a synthetic channel a bit like the same sort of thing that Creative Labs were doing with environmental sounds for games with their so-called EAX system.
Dolby have never really impressed me that much not even with their so-called NR they put on cassette decks years ago and you were far better without it if you wanted to hear the clarity and more in a recording. DTS in most cases is more superior.
Those Dolby Surround CD’s you were on about I remember Isao Tomita releasing his back catalogue with the format and in all honesty, it was a farce. You could just as easily use any CD and play it back with Prologic XX or even in 7 Channel Stereo and get the same results and in the case of his CD’s even better results because they were never right. I even got better results with the CD’s that were put out before they were flooded onto the market. That is one of the formats I would not bother with though I have not heard anything else done in them apart from Tomita’s albums. I love the two quad albums of his that Dutton Vocalion put out last year or the year before.
Those DTS CD’s I thought were quite good because they were like an SACD where you just put them on and play them without having to go through menu setups and so on like you do with DVD & Blu Ray. I only ever had one of them and it was On Air by Alan Parsons and that was very pleasing to my ears.
I do actually favour SACD for that convenient reason because it’s just like a CD that you stick on and play without all that palaver so to speak. Though of course I am open to all formats when it comes to surround and you are dead right, they all have good and bad about them all and it is really down to how well the engineer has done the mix at the end of the day. I myself only use Direct and avoid DSP’s cause I like to hear what the engineer intended to do with the mix.
By the way I have not got that Kraftwerk one you had. I do have their Minimum Maximum live concert DVD and that is quite mind blowing in surround too. I will have to get that one you have. I am pretty sure all the others you have are GREAT! Too and good recommendations.
On Air is an excellent DTS CD. I love the Christopher Cross track. If I understand correctly, 9.1, 11.1, etc. refers to the number of AVR channels will be utilized on playback in direct mode. It's not so much an indicator of source channels. Though I can tell you, particularly with some of the more meticulous Auro-3D recordings, that they actually set up mics in a 3D configuration and attempt to mix in a way that replicates the space as closely as possible. Like 2L. Dazzling stuff.
Be-Bop Deluxe? I saw them at Winterland back in the '70s and loved the show. I think they opened for Yes or Rush or someone huge. I'm gonna go hunt this down. 'Sunburst Finish' is one of the albums I put on when I'm in the mood to play phonographs.
Sunburst Finish *might* be my favorite of the Be-bop Deluxe reissues. Axe Victim is HELLA good though! But both are great.
Regarding Surround CD's, have you ever tried tonolay them through what Is known as the Hafler circuit? Also known as the "poor man's surround sound" for what i've read that Is the way to go and honestly Is also really fun to listen to plain stereo music that way, anyway i liked your video.
Great video going through all the surround sound music formats. I am so glad I bought an oppo as well. It's a beast and plays virtually anything you put in it! 👍
Especially with a free firmware or $50 hardware region unlock!
@@lifeinsurround Yup. I did go region free . Best decision I ever made as a collector. The media world is now mine. I just need more money to buy it all! 🤟🎸
I love not worrying what region a disc is! I've got some pretty cool foreign titles!
NIN -The Downward Spiral is also amazing in sacd..
Truth!
I loved the video, and you did surprise me with the DD-CD. I was unaware of that format. The other surprise was the exclusion the other low lever format., MVI. Who could forget the releases of Snakes and Arrows and The Nightfly Trilogy on this suspect format.
Bluh! MVI! Booo!!! Hiss!!! The only one I have is Rush Snakes & Arrows and it's awful. Let's just forget MVI ever happened!
@@lifeinsurround I was gonna actually ask about the MVI format but I guess I got my answer LoL. Anyway I only have the Rush Snakes release on this format which was pretty short lived anyway. There were only a few titles released. I’m hoping Rush re-releases the Snakes and Arrows album on Blu Ray at least and maybe it’ll be better. I can’t even remember how the surround mix was on it but I don’t think it was anything mind blowing anyway.
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@@lifeinsurround Thank you just having a little fun!! Love the channel. Just subscribed!
@@tomburden right on. Hope you're having a good day. I think it's funny that DB himself became rather confused over the topic. I have mainly adopted Ricky Gervais's pronunciation, so we can blame him!
Great video. I have a lot of SACD titles that I enjoy, but I heard that the downside has to do with the DAC implementation. You have to use an old 1999 era Sony DAC to decrypt the format, because that’s the chip where the decryption key resides. Another analog to digital and DAC is then required to get the signal to output. I think I heard that in a video from Paul McGowan of PS Audio.
I'll have to take your word for it! I haven't had any trouble running straight up DSD on any of my systems. But I convert to PCM, so I can use HDMI and bass-management. I hear no quality loss. (But I'm NOT an audiophile...)
I think Paul may have been referring to DSD from an SACD. You don't necessarily need that to get excellent sound as long as you have an SACD capable player that supports multiple channels which, sadly, are rare in 2021.
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Great job, Mike. Thanks for the tips on Robert Cray and Toy Matinee. On it!
Woo! That's what I love. Enjoy!
make a bluray audio top 10
Tis a good idea
I would love a shoot out of the three formats of Sea Change that you have. I have the SACD, but could be persuaded to buy a better version.
"On Air" by Alan Parsons is a great sounding DTS CD.
Not sure if you have the Emerson Lake and Palmer - Return of the Manticore box set, that has the song Pictures at an Exhibition that they did a new studio recording exclusively for the box and its mixed in Dolby Surround. It’s done really well IMO.
True statement! I've intended to track it down, at some point.
I know this list was for disc formats but where would you say the Tidal atmos music falls in this list? In other words, if the album is available in atmos on Tidal would it still be worth it to get a physical copy? Or is it more a case by case?
Tidal would be in the lossy section. Super low bandwidth and tons of size compression. Every blu-ray I've tried, compared to it's Tidal counterpart, has better definition. Still, listening on Tidal *is* enjoyable. Or Apple TV+, etc.
Nice video, man!!
Have you ever heard the prog rock band RPWL? They sound like, A momentary lapse of reason/Division Bell- Pink Floyd albums.
So, the other day I was watching their live DVD "A Show Beyond Man and Time" and the surround sound is just amazing! I recommend you to give it an opportunity!
I mention them in this video! lol
@@lifeinsurround Hahaha, I just saw....... 😂
I like their New Dawn concert a lot, in Atmos. Might check out the latest concert too.
@@lifeinsurround I haven't seen their last live concert yet, but I loved "A new Dawn" as well. Thanks man, I love your channel!!! Keep it up!!😃
I love Toy Matinee and I have that DVD-A(from DTS) and regular CD. Only the multi-channel layer is actually high resolution(sort of-48Khz/24-bit) and the stereo tracks are just either Dolby Digital or DTS. One note on Doby Surround CD, it is fully intentional by Dolby for its formats to be full backwards compatible from the original Dolby Stereo for films right up to the present Dolby Atmos. Worst formats? Where's Dual Disc?
Dualdisc just glues CD and DVD-V or DVD-A together. And I cover them in other videos. They wouldn't have fit neatly anywhere in this list and they really offer nothing new. Kind of a non-format.
DVD-A can come in 44.1 and 48k varieties. 96k is the top end for the format.
@@lifeinsurround I have several DVD-A's topping out at 192khz/24-bit.
I believe DVD-A 192 is only available in stereo mix. 96 is the top for 5.1.
@@lifeinsurround My DVD-Audio : David Crosby’s “If I Could Only Remember My Name” is 24/192 in stereo & 24/96 in 5.1 dts or “Advanced Resolution”sounds fantastic. Without video content a DVD can have just enough space to do ultra hi-res. Also on another note I have several dts CDs and I swear a couple are 20bit, not 16. Thought I read that somewhere. Anyways my Santana “Abraxas“, Steve Miller “Fly Like an Eagle” and Paul McCartney “Band On The Run” are spectacular sounding, way better than any DolbyDigital AC3(24/48) that I’ve ever heard and competitive with DVD-A, SACD, BD, etc. What struck me on these is the smoothness as if it’s actually capturing the magic of vinyl.
Love your channel. I also use an Oppo 103 connected to a 2013 Yamaha Aventage 7.2 tho I have 9 speakers hooked to it. I listen via HDMI and also have stereo analog outs to an Echo link(for whole house audio) and then to a tube pre-amp before going into the Yamaha. Wish I had an Oppo 105 or 205 but I also could run a digital coax out from my old Oppo to a separate DAC but DACs that do DSD get pricey. Will be upgrading to a modern Atmos/dtsX AVR soon.
Solid video. I have a couple of those surround CDs (classical titles I think) you covered at the beginning, I'm not sure I've tried setting the receiver to dolby with them.
I've been pleasantly surprised with the few DTS-CDs I have. The mixes on these releases tend to favor having some elements discretely located in the rear, but not usually a lot of instrumentation through the whole song. I suspect it's a compression strategy to mask the fact it's lower bitrate.
Try it! Some sound ok (Star Trek), some not so much (Handel's Messiah), but it's fun to try it out and see what you get. DTS CD is pretty hit or miss for me, but I have quite a few. Like Abraxas sounds pretty bad. Thankfully the SACD come out recently.
@@lifeinsurround Haha well one of them is Handel's Messiah (2 disc 'reference gold'), and the other is Tchaikovsky packaged very similarly by Intersound, also labeled reference gold. Those are the only two I have.
@@lifeinsurround RE: DTS-CD, I have some DVD-A that are fairly awful so I guess each format has clear winners and losers.
@@kevinheckeler Yup! Content, performance, recording, mixing and mastering with always be more crucial than the end format. At least IMO.