Hello folks! This is an update to the Tree of Heaven girdling video I posted two weeks ago. Please leave a comment or two. Hit the like button if you like the video. If you're not a subscriber but you would like to see more of these videos in the future, just click the subscribe button and click on the notification bell to receive notifications whenever a new video is uploaded. Thanks so much for watching. This channel is nothing without you and your kind comments. Love to you all!
Was there much re-sprouting from the root system and base? I have had horrid luck with getting herbicide to actually transfer into the root system, I end spending copious amounts of time hand pulling dozens of root system sprouts.
Girdling stimulates the production of many rhizomes, which will not be inhibited in their growth by the girdling of the parent tree. Ailanthus is strongly invasive, and requires extensive effort to remove. I have cut Aila thus trees down, left them without contact with soil, and they tried to regrow the following spring from the felled trees. I did treat the stump with a 50/50 mix of spent diesel crankcase oil and triclopyr. The soot in the oil helps to deliver the goods, and i can see ehich stumps were treated later. Contact with the sap of this plant has been followed by severe dermatitis symptoms, sometimes requiring hospitalization and treatment with steroids for some workers.
It sounds like you really know the topic well. I have found that the basal herbicide method is the most effective if you can afford to leave the tree standing until it dies on the stump. I have never seen reactionary sucker spawning using that method. I only use a 4% concentration of Triclopyr to diesel fuel. Thanks for information about the dermatological reaction. Great comment!
That is a fact. Spotted lantern fly love this tree, and as they suck the life out of the tree, they release their waste and turn the area beneath the tree black with disgusting sticky residue. The tree is worthless. Do not even try to use it as firewood.
In my area the last years i see many thickets of ailanthus slowly dying of from a wilt disease (one tree, then the suckers, then nearby trees...trees that survive continue stunted for years)..it almost looks like herbicide but it's natural...i am so happy to see this since this means the ecosystem tries to balance this plague and the tree, although will never leave the area, at least it will be part of the ecosystem and managed naturally.
I would love to see that happen here in northeastern Ohio. They are literally everywhere. I have been called on to remove Ailanthus trees measuring 24" DBH and that's not as big as they get. The ecosystem had it managed until someone thought it was a good idea to bring the trees to this continent. I hope you're right and that mother earth will balance it all out.
@@WaynePolcin yeah, since I noticed it I have some hope for my area. If it's a verticilium wilt, it won't affect the local dominant trees (pines and oaks)
That's caused by a fungus called Verticillium nonalfalfae, which also infects hops, solanaceous plants, kiwi, and spinach. Notably, none of these plants except a few in the solanaceae are native to the US, but hops are affected most severely behind ToH. To the other crops it's only a minor pest.
Hello Wayne, nice to see an update. I was wondering how that girdling was working. Hope you and Suzie are having a great weekend. It was wonderful to talk to you when you called. I'd been napping and my brain was not yet in gear so I'm sure I sounded pretty dim. We'll talk again soon 😊
Nels! So good to hear from you! Suzie and I are doing great! Life is constantly evolving for us, it’s really hard to keep up with the changes. We are homeless at the moment (long story). Plans for a new home are in the making. How are you, my friend?
It would be more effective if the "communication system" was in tact so that the poison could be pumped into the roots. The bark pumps the nutrients from the leaves to the roots. When the bark is broken, then the leaves die, but this tree-of-heaven gets distressed and put out more under ground shoots. You are now going to have a forest of this plant. It happened to me. However, the plant may still be drawing down when you applied the poison (depending on the time of year). If it was in summer then you may have killed the tree and roots too. 👍 Good video. Thanks.
I understand what you’re saying about the herbicide ability to be drawn into the roots. However, you can apply the Triclopyr to a freshly cut stump and it will still leech into the roots to prevent new growth. I have to say that, for the Ailanthus, girdling presents a greater risk of root sprouting than simply applying a basal layer of Triclopyr. The basal method is my preferred method on the Tree of Heaven. Thanks for the thoughtful comments!
The oily consistency of the diesel makes the herbicide adhere to the bark so that rain and dew will not wash it off. So no, you don’t want to use gas. Fuel oil or kerosene will work too. You can also purchase a basal oil to mix with the herbicide.
Was this treatment successful in stopping the root/ sucker growth? We just bought 20 acres in NW Arkansas and its it littered with these trees! I hate hate hate using herbicide as I am a beekeeper but I'm not sure there is any other solution.
Hi Double E. Yes the Triclopyr is the best way to destroy these trees and prevent sprouting. Since cutting the big Ailanthus in my back yard, I have been working diligently trying to keep the sprouts under control. If you apply the herbicide/diesel solution to the trunk, there’s very little concern about overspray.
@@eatlaughandstupid4430I wondered why people don’t drill holes rather than the hack and spray method. A hole seems easier to fill, especially if it’s just a few trees around the house. I could see the hatchet and spray bottle being more convenient if you’re going out in the forest killing hundreds of trees
@mcearl8073 Yeah. I don’t like doing all that work and still ending up with suckers. I have found it best to just apply the 4% concentration of Triclopyr and diesel fuel to the first 20 inches of the base of the tree. The tree dies on the stump and no suckers are generated. All you need, if you have a lot of trees to do, is carry a backpack sprayer.
You always have the option of girdling or complete mechanical removal, but the best method I have found, that does not cause secondary suckering, is basal application of Triclypr. I have had best results when I apply it in late winter, like February or March here in Ohio. But I have also had success in the spring and summer months. It's key to mix the herbicide with diesel fuel so that it adheres to the bark and does not wash off with rain. Basal coating is also the easiest method.
It's not coming back....I have seen Ash, cherry, apple, pear and other trees, sprout back to life after they get cut down. Great method if you don't want a tree to come back.....👊🏼👍🏻🔥🧡
And the nice thing about letting them die on the stump is that when you cut it down for firewood in a year or two, it will be completely dry and seasoned.
I dropped a black locust this spring, then a month later I flush cut the stump, the 12" piece now has sprouts growing off it lol. We've had a lot of rain here east of GR, you're the guy just north of here iirc.
@@brettblack7049 black locust gets rejuvenated from cutting it back. It's a wonderful firewood tree and you can coppice it over and over. Girdling it is probably a different story. Never tried. My neighbors run over their shoots with a brush cutter every year and they come back thicker every time.
I don't think you want to do this? You killed the tree but did you kill the roots? Expect suckers to come from the roots. Hence a much larger problem. Herbicide application only.
True. This video was not intended to make girdling the preferred method. It was more to demonstrate the girdling method, which I do not use. I prefer basal application if a mixture ofTriclopyr and diesel fuel. But there are seasons in which the herbicide isn’t as effective so girdling can be used as an alternative. Girdling does not trigger sucker growth as much as cutting down the tree does.
Hello folks! This is an update to the Tree of Heaven girdling video I posted two weeks ago. Please leave a comment or two. Hit the like button if you like the video. If you're not a subscriber but you would like to see more of these videos in the future, just click the subscribe button and click on the notification bell to receive notifications whenever a new video is uploaded. Thanks so much for watching. This channel is nothing without you and your kind comments. Love to you all!
Was there much re-sprouting from the root system and base? I have had horrid luck with getting herbicide to actually transfer into the root system, I end spending copious amounts of time hand pulling dozens of root system sprouts.
Looks good and worked fast but from what I have heard burning the wood will cause a terrible stench. Just FYI.
Girdling stimulates the production of many rhizomes, which will not be inhibited in their growth by the girdling of the parent tree. Ailanthus is strongly invasive, and requires extensive effort to remove. I have cut Aila thus trees down, left them without contact with soil, and they tried to regrow the following spring from the felled trees. I did treat the stump with a 50/50 mix of spent diesel crankcase oil and triclopyr. The soot in the oil helps to deliver the goods, and i can see ehich stumps were treated later. Contact with the sap of this plant has been followed by severe dermatitis symptoms, sometimes requiring hospitalization and treatment with steroids for some workers.
It sounds like you really know the topic well. I have found that the basal herbicide method is the most effective if you can afford to leave the tree standing until it dies on the stump. I have never seen reactionary sucker spawning using that method. I only use a 4% concentration of Triclopyr to diesel fuel. Thanks for information about the dermatological reaction. Great comment!
Hi Wayne!!😀😀
The tree is definitely dead. But it sounds like you have only just begun.
Good to see you buddy!!😀😀
TTYL!!
Logger Al
True. We have a lot more work like this on the property, but I have the time now. It's great to hear from you Al!
Thanks for the update
Girdling alone will not prevent suckers. The next summer you will see hundreds of tiny ailanthus trees!
That is a fact. Spotted lantern fly love this tree, and as they suck the life out of the tree, they release their waste and turn the area beneath the tree black with disgusting sticky residue. The tree is worthless. Do not even try to use it as firewood.
In my area the last years i see many thickets of ailanthus slowly dying of from a wilt disease (one tree, then the suckers, then nearby trees...trees that survive continue stunted for years)..it almost looks like herbicide but it's natural...i am so happy to see this since this means the ecosystem tries to balance this plague and the tree, although will never leave the area, at least it will be part of the ecosystem and managed naturally.
I would love to see that happen here in northeastern Ohio. They are literally everywhere. I have been called on to remove Ailanthus trees measuring 24" DBH and that's not as big as they get. The ecosystem had it managed until someone thought it was a good idea to bring the trees to this continent. I hope you're right and that mother earth will balance it all out.
@@WaynePolcin yeah, since I noticed it I have some hope for my area. If it's a verticilium wilt, it won't affect the local dominant trees (pines and oaks)
That's caused by a fungus called Verticillium nonalfalfae, which also infects hops, solanaceous plants, kiwi, and spinach. Notably, none of these plants except a few in the solanaceae are native to the US, but hops are affected most severely behind ToH. To the other crops it's only a minor pest.
Hello Wayne, nice to see an update. I was wondering how that girdling was working. Hope you and Suzie are having a great weekend. It was wonderful to talk to you when you called. I'd been napping and my brain was not yet in gear so I'm sure I sounded pretty dim. We'll talk again soon 😊
Communicating more info on girdles... 😉 nice job and hope all is well WP and hey to Suz the Q! Have a good one!
Hey Wane, hope you doing well, great video
Nels! So good to hear from you! Suzie and I are doing great! Life is constantly evolving for us, it’s really hard to keep up with the changes. We are homeless at the moment (long story). Plans for a new home are in the making. How are you, my friend?
@@WaynePolcin living the dream. Had a few tornadoes come through last night so super slammed with work. ✌️❤️🌳
It would be more effective if the "communication system" was in tact so that the poison could be pumped into the roots.
The bark pumps the nutrients from the leaves to the roots. When the bark is broken, then the leaves die, but this tree-of-heaven gets distressed and put out more under ground shoots. You are now going to have a forest of this plant. It happened to me. However, the plant may still be drawing down when you applied the poison (depending on the time of year). If it was in summer then you may have killed the tree and roots too. 👍
Good video. Thanks.
I understand what you’re saying about the herbicide ability to be drawn into the roots. However, you can apply the Triclopyr to a freshly cut stump and it will still leech into the roots to prevent new growth. I have to say that, for the Ailanthus, girdling presents a greater risk of root sprouting than simply applying a basal layer of Triclopyr. The basal method is my preferred method on the Tree of Heaven. Thanks for the thoughtful comments!
Good to know that !
Hey Bruce. When are you going to come down to visit us at SM Heartland?
What is the significance of mixing diesel fuel with Triclopyr? Can it be done without the fuel? If not, can I use regular gas? Thanks!
The oily consistency of the diesel makes the herbicide adhere to the bark so that rain and dew will not wash it off. So no, you don’t want to use gas. Fuel oil or kerosene will work too. You can also purchase a basal oil to mix with the herbicide.
@@WaynePolcin Thanks!
Was this treatment successful in stopping the root/ sucker growth? We just bought 20 acres in NW Arkansas and its it littered with these trees! I hate hate hate using herbicide as I am a beekeeper but I'm not sure there is any other solution.
Hi Double E. Yes the Triclopyr is the best way to destroy these trees and prevent sprouting. Since cutting the big Ailanthus in my back yard, I have been working diligently trying to keep the sprouts under control. If you apply the herbicide/diesel solution to the trunk, there’s very little concern about overspray.
I drilled four holes about two inches in around 45 degrees...poured concentrated/glyphosate/41% into drilled holes...killed my tree from hell...
@@eatlaughandstupid4430I wondered why people don’t drill holes rather than the hack and spray method. A hole seems easier to fill, especially if it’s just a few trees around the house. I could see the hatchet and spray bottle being more convenient if you’re going out in the forest killing hundreds of trees
@mcearl8073 Yeah. I don’t like doing all that work and still ending up with suckers. I have found it best to just apply the 4% concentration of Triclopyr and diesel fuel to the first 20 inches of the base of the tree. The tree dies on the stump and no suckers are generated. All you need, if you have a lot of trees to do, is carry a backpack sprayer.
I heard that on burning it a hard creosote glaze is put on the chimney wall
That may be true. I have never burned it. Thanks for the info!
That must have smelled bad when you cut into it
I have gotten so used to the smell that I don't even notice it anymore.
What herbicides did you use
I used Triclopyr mixed with diesel fuel.
If you have a large one about 4ft round and 70 high growing at a angle is there risk of the tree falling down after it dies
It probably won’t fall. But it would be a good idea to have it removed within a couple of years.
Well, well, well....if it's not Mr Wayne polcin himself. Hope your well my friend
Doing great sir! I think you hold the record for the fastest commentator on TH-cam! Just sayin’! Great to know you’re there buddy!
@@WaynePolcin lol.laid down earlier but couldn't sleep. About to try again. Thanks for the kind words.
So it is just girdling ?!? No need to inject weed killer on the the girdled area ?!?!?!
You DO have to apply herbicide to a tree of heaven. And it should only be done in late summer.
You always have the option of girdling or complete mechanical removal, but the best method I have found, that does not cause secondary suckering, is basal application of Triclypr. I have had best results when I apply it in late winter, like February or March here in Ohio. But I have also had success in the spring and summer months. It's key to mix the herbicide with diesel fuel so that it adheres to the bark and does not wash off with rain. Basal coating is also the easiest method.
It's not coming back....I have seen Ash, cherry, apple, pear and other trees, sprout back to life after they get cut down. Great method if you don't want a tree to come back.....👊🏼👍🏻🔥🧡
And the nice thing about letting them die on the stump is that when you cut it down for firewood in a year or two, it will be completely dry and seasoned.
I dropped a black locust this spring, then a month later I flush cut the stump, the 12" piece now has sprouts growing off it lol. We've had a lot of rain here east of GR, you're the guy just north of here iirc.
@@brettblack7049 black locust gets rejuvenated from cutting it back. It's a wonderful firewood tree and you can coppice it over and over. Girdling it is probably a different story. Never tried. My neighbors run over their shoots with a brush cutter every year and they come back thicker every time.
I don't think you want to do this? You killed the tree but did you kill the roots? Expect suckers to come from the roots. Hence a much larger problem. Herbicide application only.
True. This video was not intended to make girdling the preferred method. It was more to demonstrate the girdling method, which I do not use. I prefer basal application if a mixture ofTriclopyr and diesel fuel. But there are seasons in which the herbicide isn’t as effective so girdling can be used as an alternative. Girdling does not trigger sucker growth as much as cutting down the tree does.
@@WaynePolcin Thanks for the info! When mixing your triclopyr with diesel what is your ratio?
@@kellyschott462860/40 with the 60% being an oil based carrier.
Gee, now you are a movie star ! Why so much face in the lens. Came here for the tree info !
This plant is a plague
Amen to that, brother!