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- Buyers BEWARE!! The owner of this 2003 Itasca/Winnebago Sundancer recently purchased this Class C. They did not have the motorhome inspected and were surprised to learn the roof could not be saved when they called a mobile RV tech to figure out the roof leaking in the rain.
After seeing my videos they contacted me to see if the motor home could be saved.
Join me as we see what we can do in part 1.
Don't forget to check out Andrew Steele's channel where I show the issues too.
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James, the difference between you and Andrew Is, he is a Talker and You Are A Doer!! Keep the great Video's coming!!
Thank you and I will.
I agree...😉👍
Well said!
I don’t even have an RV and I love your videos. I also, like an honest person. Thanks you!
I know what you mean. I watch sail boat rebuild channels and will never own or sail a boat. Thank you for the support!!
@@AZExpert How long did it take you to buy that beaver don't say never lol
Dude you are the rv repair king of kings! When u dissasemble these rvs you don't damage shit. You give very good before during and after shots that have given me the balls to tackle my97 40 ft holiday rambler imperial. Mine gas an aluminum roof with a rear and forward fiberglass caps. I also have extreme delamination on the passenger side starting about a third of the way back to the very back . I believe I'm going to have to cut it into two sections to handle the fiberglass side. Now about the aluminum roof. Could l salvage the sections and reapply them. What would you do. Input greatly appreciated. I'm in muchigan got a heated garage to do this over the winter. Thanks for being so thorough. You are a great rv technician and it's great to see someone cleverly come out on top consistantly.consistently. I'm going to video the hole proceess. And if I pull this off I may just start my own gig doing these types of jobs. The electrical is a very baffling process for me yet but I'm starting to understand that now too. This rv is going to hopefully be around for a long time to come if I can be successfull in all these repairs.
What an icredibly nice comment to receive. Thank you and good luck on you project.
I've never been happier with my decision to renovate an MCI bus vs. purchasing an rv than I am after watching this. I'm glad Andrew sent me here. Thanks for sharing.
That's a big undertaking, I'll make sure to follow your progress thanks!
Just a note to say “thank you” for what you do. There are a lot of scammer rv repair people out there, some deliberately and some due to ignorance. Also, thank you for the excellent content you’ve created.
Thank you very much Jeff! That's very kind
Yikes. I sure hope all future buyers of RV's watch your videos. Thank you James. Happy trails!
Another Winnebago too!
Your honesty is greatly appreciated, and your work ethics are top notch. The videos are of course welcome and very educational. Keep up the outstanding work. Thank you
Nice to see a dealership that has real mechanics that know what they are doing. I worked at a dealership and omg it was horrible.
Thank you so much. I've done this long enough to know how much I don't know. I really though I knew it all 15 years ago.
Thanks James, this is why everyone buying a new or used RV should be hiring an NRVIA inspector!!
Best money they will ever spend.
Yes I do recommend a seasoned inspector. NRVIA is a good baseline, but a tech 10 years of experience will have a better idea of known issues on most major brands too. Thanks!
I always appreciate your expertise. Esp when you clearly explain what we are looking at. Many of us are still novices and are absorbing information!
thank you very much.
So sad when you buy a used coach and get lied to and cheated. Get them inspected!
James, your awesome and do fantastic work . Thank you for sharing your videos and knowledge with us. Your the best. Hey Andrew!!
Regards,Myk
I felt very bad for the owner. Inspections are important.
Glad to have found you thru Andrew. I admire your work.
I'm glad you did too!
Saw you in Andrew's videos & went on a binge watch of yours. Been a subscriber ever since. Excellent instruction!
Awesome, thank you!
Dude. You are a saint. I want to be you. Thanks for helping these people out.
4 years ago while I was on vacation in Moab with my wife and son, my grandparents who are in their 80's called and asked for advice on this used TT they were looking at. They sent me a bunch of pictures and while it looked ok I saw what looked like some water damage so I told them to wait a week until I got back so I could inspect the roof. Well of course they bought it. When I got there to look at it the roof had been repaired with vinyl from a roadside ad and some kind of mastic and it was so rotten I could not even get on the roof. The entire roof had to be replaced; EPDM roof, luan decking, joists (ugh), insulation and the ceiling. I nice little 4 week project (after work and weekends). I guess some lessons have to be learned the hard way but at least they are still able to enjoy the trailer even today.
It always works that way it sees. I'm glad to hear they got to use it and enjoy it. Thanks!
Just watched Andrews video from few days ago and here’s the video you guys were talking about!
that's good timing!!
Just found your channel through the YT recommendation algorithm. As an RV'er and one with a problem roof as well I find that I don't feel as bad as I used to after seeing all the roofs you end up with.:) Keep the vid's comin!.
That algorithm knows us better than we know ourselves I think. And it always feels better to know we're not alone. Thanks for watching!
I have 1998 Winnebago. And some how my roof is about 2 inch thick.And when I porches it I didn't know much about RV's.
Thanks for these channel and good advices from the expert, I did replace the roof by myself.
And here in Seattle area, nobody wants to touch the fiberglass roof.
That's very impressive to replace it by yourself. Few RV techs have done that!
@@AZExpert I watched your videos how you done your roofs James. I have done a lot of things in my life first time and it wasn't hard for me. It was more stressful than hard, because I didn't really have a good helper.
Thank you James for your videos. They are really helpful.
I'm happy I found this channel before I purchased an rv .... The rv industry needs to some sort of regulation .... Ive always wondered why the Big rv dealers dont have a bad BBB rating ....This still baffles me ...
The industry is mostly self regulated between the RVIA and RVDA. They do have standards which are taken from DOT, NEC, and home building.....just mostly to a minimum standard. Thanks!
Looks like a LOT OF WORK!! Arghhh
Found you via Andrew Steele
It is a lot of work for sure, glad you made it over here. Thanks!
Hate to say it but Andrew’s channel is just me dreaming and your channel is real world. The process you use is the same but different on every coach due to the extent of water damage. Please keep the videos coming, maybe even get Chad’s forehead a camera 🤣.
Thank you...I'd rather the real world was a little more dreamy though.
My wife and I have been considering buying an older RV. After watching this video I'm having second thoughts.
I recommend renting first to see if it is enjoyable. I also recommend used, new ones will spend more time at the dealer/shop then used ones in my experience.
This was so sad to watch. Glad you posted though. Thanks
This gave me flashbacks putting a new roof on a RV is a pain in the neck.
It really does get old going up and down the ladder. Thanks!
God bless you for handling that. But I agree with the mobile tech that came out - that RV is garbage!
Hi Andrew your show has help me out understand roofing I’ve just purchase slide on camper , I’m taken on to replace
Roof . So I think I’m ready i work in building game in Australian thank Andrew ✌️
I'm James but I am on Andrew Steele's Channel quite a bit
@@AZExpert hi James sorry wrong name my apology Doug
I came from Andrew's channel. Love your videos and your skill/workmanship is just amazing to watch.
Andrew is awesome! Hey, Thanks for watching! :)
YAY! I actually love the roof jobs from this side of the work.
That's good to hear. Hope you enjoy!
I don't own a rv yet, but I will when I retire from the post office. I saw your vlog the other day and it was very imformative. I started from your first vlog and I am going to watch all of them up to the present. I will tell you when I am finished. I be came a subscriber today.
Welcome aboard, I'm glad to have you watch. Don't let me talk you out of RVing, ,I really do like RVs, but it's good to have lower expectations than many channels out there would make RVing look. Thanks!
I'm glad I found your channel great job
I am too. Thanks!
Don't know if you own one but if not you probably would like it if you do....its one of those vibrating saw/sander/scraper tools.
When it comes to getting caulk, sealants and even separating panels and what have you, they are awesome and take alot of struggle out if doing it.
Same for cutting square holes in panels and such and the blades/scrapers last forever.
Thanks for the tip
@@AZExpert, I am sure you have seen/used/ own one.
I think they are called oscillating tools.
Those things are awesome for nice flush cuts and with no jagged edges and the different blades work everything from tile to wood and fiberglass and grout and my favorite is when just one plank of hardwood floor needs replaced it can be exactly cut out and a new piece glued in with no damage to anything around it.
I think they can be found almost anywhere for under 100 bucks.
After watching your videos, and fixing roofs I don’t think I’ll ever buy a used RV
I do recommend used RVs. New RVs lose a great deal of value the first day
The roof on our 2019 Grand Design Reflection 5th wheel is always the biggest point of stress for me. I have a TPO roof and wash it every three months and check for cracks in the seals. We keep our rig in an RV Park all the time so it doesn’t see the stresses of going down the road all the time. We hope that being static and always cleaning and checking the roof will go far toward keeping it water tight.
I am starting to think the manufacturers are letting the adhesive dry too much before installing the membrane. If that's the case, the problem will be random, but baked in at the factory will no real way of knowing until it happens. Sounds like you are doing routine inspections so you should see it before it becomes an issue. Thanks!
I would like you to do a video on which RVs are built decently, esp. older models. It's incredibly hard to find any sort of decent information about this. It seems that the best built RVs might have been made in the late 80's/early 90's and the quality went downhill from there....
What type of RV?
Yes this is definitely a very important issue people often times forget the roof if there's no evidence of a leak inside
I try to stress how important an annual inspection is.
Wow. What a disaster. Should have had an inspection prior to purchase. Gonna need to re-deck a lot of that. That’s gonna be expensive. I can’t imagine doing a headliner of a camper. That would take forever. Well, you can fix it 👍🏼.
Agreed!!!
That stinks. Some people. I bought my Class A off what I call a super dealer. One of the huge ones in Florida. I will say they were honest. I had a survey of my own done and it was 99% what they had told me. Then they met me half way with a set of very expense repairs. I wanted things done that my man found and said had less then a year left. The dealer would not touch those but for the money did the work. I know you can't give that roof away. I know your give that RV a second life. Good man.
It makes to happy to hear you had a good experience...I really do like RVs and the lifestyle it just is upsetting when no one is having fun
Thanks for the shout-out!
Any time! Thank you!!
I'm surprised you can walk on it without falling through!!
The design is still very strong for its weight, if there is no luan on the top layer, it is a floppy mess for sure.
So what type of roofing system is best???
Great information...
The best RV roof is a gel-coat molded fiberglass one-piece roof.
Thanks for this James. Coming to you as a new sub via Andrew.
I am a sponge for all of your knowledge. Our future purchase will likely be a Class A. Want to start with my last rv, so likely will be targeting Prevosts, but I want to soak in all of this. I've been in boating for 20 years and most everything we talk about is identical to boats. Well, I guess we could exclude tires and brakes! Lol
By the way - You're very good at this and it will only get better. I'm going to be in the same boat as I start my own channel. I'm already practicing.
Thank you very much for the support. My favorite thing about RVs is knowing they wont fall out of the sky or sink if I do something wrong. Good luck on your channel. Id recommend at least setting up your channel and finding your voice. Thanks!
@@AZExpert thank you for your advice good sir!
I bought a trailer and didn't know about this, but now I do. They sold it and said no roof leaks. Liars. Inspect the roof before buying.
I could see a chest mount gopro as a help to you. I don't think the audio is the best on a gopro, I'm actually in sure on the audio but I know it would free up a hand for you. Great videos I am really enjoying watching you work :)
I know my setup is not ideal, I have trust issues with gopro and similar cameras. A really high quality camera would be best but it's also slows the work process down, mostly I want to finish jobs as fast as possible too. Thanks!
Great video. Looks like they didn't get a pre-purchase inspection.
I did speak with them, and they did have a few veteran RVers look at it including a mechanic. No one caught the roof repair and the previous owner just had it re-sealed. It's likely a seasoned RV tech or one that had been around Winnebagos a lot would have noticed, but you never know. Thanks!
Thank you
You're welcome
Where in AZ are you located?
You do GREAT work.....
East mesa mostly.
Another great video. I am looking at a beautiful coach with known water leak which seems to have been stopped but has delamination and the ceiling is bad in at least one spot by the air conditioner. Just weighing my options if I can repair it myself? It's a 40 ft pusher and has the fiberglass roof. It's a Gulfstream.
That's a tough one for me. I would have a difficult time recommending a Gulfstream in bad shape unless the price is fantastic.
17 year old RV with a rotten roof. What else could be wrong with a 17 year old RV?
Lots of things for sure. It's mostly upsetting because the "repair" caused the problems, delamination looks bad but is still weatherproof.
It is sad, but people will take advantage of you, if you let them. I have seen stuff like this WAY too many times. I am sure you and Chad will get them all fixed up. I think Chad would get more done if he had a better helper :)
He really does need a better helper. :)
@@AZExpert ha ha
@AZ Expert how about blu-tack or tape to stop you chasing those screw caps?
that's a good idea
This is insane. Shame on RV engineering, marketing and accounting !
Right?
where is part 2?
Watching this shows me what brand or type of roof system to NEVER buy. What junk!
The sad part is Winneago's are made very well compared to most.
Do you have any information for a Teton roof?
So, what is the time frame from start to end, on replacing a roof of a rv.
It depends on may factors but lets say 3 days
Does Winnebago glue down their Fiberglas roofs? It seemed that parts came up easy and other parts didn't
yes they are laminated
I got a 88 Toyota winnebago it’s a little rough around the edges and the roof has weak spots
Wow thats got some age
I feel sorry for these people. Probably money is tight and that roof repair is worth the entire price of the rv. I can see why the previous tech made the comments he did. At least James they’ll know it won’t leak once you’ve fixed it.
Yes, I felt very bad too. It's even worse as insurance companies are wise to Winnebago roofs and refuse coverage if they are not maintained too!!
James? Have You done any 80s ish aluminum roof repairs on vid? I have a class c that needs at least 1/3 of its roof rebuilt, along with in depth over hang refit.
No, other than vintage trailers, I'd likely add decking and a membrane roof if I were to take on a 80s trailer.
@@AZExpert Thanks for the reply. This poor things got the front 1/3rd all delaminated inside and out. I plan on having to do some welding on ribbing and such. The back 2/3rds are solid . Being retired limits the old still in good shape refitting. Just hoping to find sheet aluminum up here in Ak.
What is the cost to repair a roof like this?
I think I’m going to start a new field for RV shoppers and start a RV Inspector service.
There are dedicated RV inspectors, though some go very in depth, a seasoned inspector should be able to find most issues.
This might sound crazy but is there such a thing as pressure treated Luan?
not that I'm aware of
Just about EVERYONE of those with that entertainment compartment leaks ,sad part is the average owner don't know until its to late ,seen So many in my 44 years ,its VERY SAD ,IVE MADE A LOT OF SELLERS MAD
I would say, almost every bunk leaks for sure, but usually from the side molding. Thanks!
@@AZExpert mold city,winnebago made good money fixing them and Dutchman, or just about every class C,front ends 🤗
So when you use the new flex 311 on the radius I saw in one of your videos where you said to use clear I bought a bunch of white can I still use that
Of course. It's just what you are ok with looking at. The white is going to be messy
@@AZExpert OK I'm still confused I think I asked the wrong question .. supposed to use ProFlex RV on the radius to hold The phylon "AKA" fiberglass roof down correct? And you're supposed to use hangs or new flex 311 as a self leveling on the roof what I'm asking, is the ProFlex RV white The same as the clear ? You probably answered my question because you probably understood it from the beginning lol, and I love your videos I watch them all the time,,most every night,, I'm a master Tech for GM Here in Seattle Love your videos we've got a lot in common we think the same lol,, We all watch you here at The dealership at lunchtime!!!! Lol say Hi master Tech tom in Port Orchard Washington on 1 of your videos so I look cool in front of my friends lol
We will be down in Fort Myers this coming winter starting in November…Are you in the area as I would like to have the radius resealed..apoxx how much.Journey 2013….34B
I'm in Arizona, not Florida
This is a perfect example of why you do your research before you go and buy a used RV.There were signs of leaking all over the place that should have been seen.
I have even made this mistake, but research is very important. Thanks!
Just came across your videos and I'm really enjoying them, but do you ever get sick of replacing roofs?
I don't like the liability or the potential of ruining someone's house, but the work is straight forward and satisfying. Thanks!
Have you ever seen anyone lay down flat aluminum strips length wise to the coach and screw it to the delaminating roof?
No, but I think this repair was done to solve the delam at the radius....and it didn't work.
Is there a chance one could do that and save a roof that is showing loose areas other that the radius?
So what is the best way to put Solar panels on a winnebago roof?
Standard panel and feet mounts still work. I use 100% silicone under the panels to seal and glue the feet down. The screws just act as clamps until the sealant cures. I can tell you that 100% silicone is a very good adhesive. Thanks!
Hi guys, Do you know how long it takes plas-t-cote fiber roof coating to dry? Thanks
It's oil based so it will take some time to cure
You doing great allway injoy
Thank you!
Hey Andrew, where do you source new Fan-tastic vent fans from? Thank you.
The easiest source is always Amazon. Their prices are very close to my wholesale most of the time
So why are the manufacturers still using an antiquated system? Why aren't that doing the one piece fiberglass roof with the rubber protestant? There has to be a better way to do a roof system that doesn't leak over time
Mostly consumers aren't asking for it with their checkbooks. Thanks!
Did they not look at it before they paid for it. Very bad
Was thinking of buying one and this makes me scared to buy used.
In general you are best to buy used as depreciation is huge and really the first year is fixing the rv anyway....just get a third party inspection done first. Dealers in general want you to have a good experience too but even their inspection can miss something and private party will tell you anything you want to hear.
Thank you for this video. What do you think of the new Winnie Minnie roof . I’m planning to purchase my first RV.
They are good, quite a bit simpler than the radius and screwed down under molding. Delamination should not be an issue as long as the front cap is secured correctly.
Another great video. What is the name of your company? I live in the Tucson area.
My company is RV Experts in Mesa, AZ. Thanks!
Where are you located in AZ
We are in Mesa
Oh man thats a mess...
it is a mess and hurts my heart
Had this issue with an AIRSTREAM LANDYACHT33 P.O.S. rusted the entire steel frame of the unit. Trash now at 61000 miles. Airstream is a JUNK COMPANY. fiberglass mesh coated roof, WTF!
That's upsetting to hear. Thanks!
Are they playing pickleball in the background?
A lot of work just to start doing the work
It's my second favorite part of the job.
What does a repair like this cost?!?!
There are too many variables and I don't give prices on customer jobs I film
19:05 lol
I H A V E L E A R N E D S O M U C H F R O M Y O U ! !
I am about to be a first-time Class A owner, and I'm going to be at least more forearmed with the information about water intrusion, wood damage, etc. that I've learned from you. Many many thanks and great appreciation. Would you consider starting a Patreon account? If so, I would certainly pay to watch.
WOW!! I have not really thought about a Patreon as I felt it would cause me too much anxiety. I could look into it though.
Is it possible to contact you for RV inspections?
sure the email is azrvexpert@gmail.com Thanks!
What a mess using cheap plywood
It is surprising that Winnebago hasn't upgraded their materials in 30 years for sure.
Brute force and ignorance always wins in the end
It's a tool I always have with me :)
All roofs nowadays are junk need to go back to aluminum one piece.
It does seem like trailers with metal roofs last longer, but Ive also rebuilt a number of vintage trailers with rotten roofs and walls so who knows.
Just junk-!- these manufacturers build such crap-!- you buy a coach at an enormous cost hopeing you made the right decision-!- going with the manufacturer because the salesperson says thy build QUALITY-!-
They are surprisingly strong for the materials they're made from, just much less forgiving it there is an issue.
I will disagree with you thoughts on the structure of that roof. I did the drawings. I know how that roof is designed.
I am really interested to hear what you mean. Did I get something wrong?
@@AZExpert there should be two big aluminum extrusions on each side that connect to the sidewalls. The foam core pieces are 4ft wide, between each sheet there should be a rib that connects from one side to the another. For any place that requires a screw into the roof, inside or out there are 22 ga steel pieces about 4 inches wide that are between the luan and foam.
Somebody tried to repair that roof along time ago. I don't remember those outer extrusions that you removed.
@@martysaxton9922 I agree with everything you said and show the majority in this video th-cam.com/video/LPRLFu30gU4/w-d-xo.html
I've never seen a rib connecting sidewalls at each joint, usually they are spread out. The 22 gauge steel is mostly found at the rear cap, I have seen them under antennas and satellites. I am not sure what you are disagreeing with, someone definitely tried to fix the delamination with alunimnum radius which caused all the problems to the roof which is why I said Winnebago doesn't do this and why it needs a new roof. Thanks!
@@AZExpert so I watched the link you sent me. The things you call bow supports we called them roof ribs. Like you probably saw, they connect the outer roof extrusions together. Good job on cutting the FRP to width and inserting it into the gutter extrusions. I have seen that tear so many times. I wish I could remember how that front entertainment center went together. Great job on that repair!!!
Thank you so much. It really does frighten me the whole time tucking the radius in as I have seen, and caused it to, tear. I try to explain the roof design as best as I can as it is incredibly unique. It really is an incredibly strong design and Winnebago is the only manufacturer to make a filon roof that doesn't twist the raidus into a braid. You should be very proud of the design. I try my best to explain the necessity of inspection especially at the gutter as most owners are completely unaware of how vital it is. Thanks again!
That's cheaply made,
I thin you mean highly engineered!