The Enhanced Games: An Olympics-style event WITHOUT drug-testing 😳
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- An Olympics-style competition without drug-testing called the 'Enhanced Games' is set to be held in December next year. Aron D'Souza, President of the 'Enhanced Games' joined Jim White, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy on talkSPORT this morning.
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I think what Jim can't get into his head is the fact if there are no rules, then there cannot be any cheating.
He's also deluded enough to believe that what we have now is clean....the problem with this idea would be marketing....the 'clean Olympics' would still be riddled with drugs if there was any money in it.....
What I can't get my head around is Nigel, that your quite happy under the grounds of 'informed choice' where this slippery slope will end? Take it you have children? Would you be happy, under pressure from sponsors, 'venture capitalists' and apparently people with your world view to pump stimulants, diuretics or what ever into their bodies, compete against other athletes who might have better access to funding, and with it access to better drugs, so they can enjoy a lifetime of side effects or worse.
It isn't the cheating aspect why doping is frowned upon, the long term health and welfare costs that Mr d'Souza will not be carried by him and his colleagues, because the athletis were "informed" so releasing them of any responsibility.
It might come as a surprise to you, but ten's of thousands of kids are already awash in drugs used in the treatment of ADHD, Anxiety, Depression, as well as easy access "daddies secret stash" of pot and coke. Think that's working out well? I am all for drug research and advancement, but when you have no rules, only the strong survive.
Its like talking to a traffic cone. Whats the point of reporting something if you won't listen to what the person is saying.
I often wonder if Jim's inability to understand basic concepts being explained to him (often by SJ) is real or or an act.
Agreed! Their mindsets are sickeningly pathetic, bias and set in the 1960's. Yet have advanced cares, prolly take meds, have pace makers, have the newest phones, maybe replaced knees, or heart translate yet enhancement is bad! Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
So Jim, lemme get this straight: You're saying its cheating when its all open & all athletes are allowed to take enhancements making it an equal playing field...but its not cheating when athletes lie and hide their PEDs so long as no one finds out about it? spare me
Mate 100% hit the nail on the head
They literally just interviewed wwe doped enhanced wrestlers 🤡 🌎
@@delboymcfc Wrestling isn't a competitve sport though, its acting.
Exactly, I couldnt quite believe my ears ewhen Jim was calling it cheating. Bizarre.
@@Coxy_Wrecked fair enough but regardless they r literally throwing each other around like rag dolls… but I get ur point
How is it cheating when it’s allowed.
Its not
Exactly. Jim was being so dumb during this
Jim white is so stupid 😂
Literally my favourite post ever!
Nail on the head...
@adamgrimsley2900 it would be though. That's the point
Say what you like, but when a guy does an 8 second 100 m you’re all gonna watch.
Speak for yourself, I can guarantee that I won't be watching
@@cryogenixoldskool5803if you're commenting on it, guaranteed you're watching it!
8 seconds will be impossible
Yep. People will watch, they'll see something like that and then they'll say afterwards, "but he can't naturally do that, can he?" and it'll all feel so pointless that soon most people will just allow those thoughts to make them see that they are wasting their own time.
@@AllThisOverASliceOfGabagoolyou're saying an usein bolt type athlete + the best performance enhancing drugs and the best sports scientists can't shave 1 second off his time ? I beg to differ.
A global sporting event without the hypocrisy? How refreshing!!
And when footballers get injured they have injections that the public don't get so is that not enhancers to get back from injuries quicker it suits people when they want it to
Yes, people watch the Olympia a lot more than natural bodybuilding
This is a much more honest event than regular sports events because now the doctors can come forward and be proud of their achievements. It would be nice to see footage of doctors prepping their liquids and athletes injecting it into their body.
It would insane. 100M sprint race in 7.5 seconds. yes please
With 10% dying during the event.
@@mnemonijawhere are you getting this from
@@user-xu4xj2cd2j we already have footballers dying occasionally on the field, and Ericsson came back luckily. This is before amphetamines.
@@mnemonija nothing to do with roids mate 😂
@@mnemonija 'During' the event? Don't spread lies like that. They'll end up putting it on box office and people will have to turn to piracy to watch it 😂
I would watch it. The argument about safety in combat sports has already played out in the UFC. Before they had no testing, not they have USADA. The number of injuries and deaths has not changed before and after. Just they used to look like superheroes and now they look like athletes
Always an excuse for the loser - I never lost they cheated
Jim is an absolutely awful interviewer. He is extremely biased towards his own opinions and trying to get headline statements. He always talks in a condescending tone when he dislikes the other persons opinion.
It's not cheating if everyone is doing it, it's actually pretty interesting, there'll be teams of doctors behind the athletes and it's more about the formula of what is best for certain aspects of the sport
Yes I would watch it
It will be even funnier when none of the Olympic world records are broken in the non tested events because they’re all already on steroids
They'll have their own records. What will be great to see is how the enhanced records won't break the "clean" records by that much, because "clean" athletes are dopers themselves.
@@myhatmygandhi6217 that’s a what I said , they’re all on PEDS it’s just an IQ test
Hes means when it proves they are already juicing and the enhanced olympics dont improve speeds
This would be an eye opener.
Though as technology advances an upcoming type of advancement is guaranteed to break all records: bionics.
Such technology is painfully underfunded as it holds the potential of ending most diseases and disabilities if not outright ending aging by making us no longer burdened by the flaws of the evolutionary process.
It’s been in sport for over 50 years now. Massively in the 80s & 90s and now the science behind it is so clever. I remember speaking to a sports scientist In the 00s and he said 90% of all sport athletes where cheating the system in one way or another. Everyone is at it to get an advantage. I’d rather watch something where anyone can juice rather than unknowing if the person that won was juiced and 2nd place was not.
This didn’t happen sports scientists only been about for the past 10 years
Me too. better the sport is open and allowes athletes to dope rather than continue with the charade of a clean Olympics.
@@stevethedweeb3846 well he was at Uni and the sport professor told him the stat and he told me. He was excited to start his journey into sports but absolutely devastated at the Information he was getting.
@@Craggles365he was naive then. Everyone in every sport has been taking PED’s for decades
@@stevethedweeb3846 what’s your point? Would you go and see it or not? Do you think it’s wrong or right?
Jim and Simon got absolutely outclassed here. Simon hasn’t dealt with someone who knows how to speak because he’s worked alongside football pundits where he’s always the smartest in the room (although that’s hardly a compliment).
Well said
Outclassed? It's his job to play devil's advocate you fool 😂 and his point about individuals not knowing what's best for themselves is totally right.
@@adamyeejy-sk9fh They both got outclassed. It is all about personal choice and personal responsibility within a setting that can be controlled with medical help on standby. Individuals who join it would be doing so with full knowledge that competitors would be juiced. Now look at the current situation - juiced competitors everywhere and you could even argue that boxers currently are in more danger as they are unwittingly fighting juiced fighters.
@adamyeejy-sk9fh Simon's ego is way too big to play devils advocate. He has is opinion and he believes in it. He is way out of touch here
I can’t wait for this. The olympics are bloody boring and so archaic. Been waiting for this. How far can we push the human body.
Jim needs a uppercut, being so patronising throughout the whole interview.
What happens when people did?
I have always thought this would be hilarious so why not
I'm all for the "on the packet" olympics.
Jim and Simon literally interviewed enhanced doped wrestlers prior to this segment! 😂 laughable
As long as it's out in the open I have no problem with it, Pride FC was entertaining as hell and it was written in the fighters contracts that they would not be tested for PEDs.
Pride was fucking crazy bro 😂 I love watching old clips
This is insane. It won’t be about who is the best it will be about who has the best scientist in their team
That's not far off what it is now
Much like formula 1. Not the driver anymore, its the car
@@weedeemorrison not true about F1 evidence is look at team mates results Red Bull car is far better yet every race it's not 1-2 nad Max is performing his team mates not so this is not all about the car.
So the same as the olympics?
Think about weightlifting though, eddie hall experimented with hypnotism to gain the hysterical strength you would have if you or a loved one was in peril but thats not cheating, its removing his restrictions. Same with this.
Some people will be really confused when the current olympic records aren't even broken in this event.
😂 😂 a lot of people in the comments actually believe the current athletes are clean which is mind blowing to me. They think we’re gonna see an 8sec 100m 😂, bolt (a cheat) probably could’ve got it if he didn’t untie his laces
@@Insertnamehere287you reckon Bolt was a cheat? On what basis?
@@AllThisOverASliceOfGabagool every single athlete he raced against has tested positive numerous times yet he’s the only one whose clean and absolutely obliterating, destroying the records. When something in sport seems too good to be true then it usually is. In a few years when the tech is even better I won’t be surprised if his blood has designer drugs found in them.
This was a very interesting discussion. It's impressive listening to intelligent people like Simon and Aron thinking quickly and articulating their points and counter arguments so well.
I think the enhanced games would have to be seriously impressive to draw in consumers. If world records aren't being shattered by the enhanced athletes, noone is going to care.
World records are being smashed by enhanced athletes. They're just pretending to be clean. The issue this organisation will have is that top athletes currently winning things and are doping will not want to join to keep up the facade so their own enhanced records will still be above the records of those being honest about it in this organisation who are still behind genetically.
What you'll get then is people saying "see the *clean* athletes are still better".
Were sensible conversations over PED's had years ago, this wouldn't be happening. In the Olympics caffeine could be consumed before a race whilst cannabis can not. How ridiculous is that? I can tell you which one would be beneficial and which one wouldn't. Then take into consideration a lot of people are quite sensitive to caffeine and would not use it. Now one person has an advantage that another doesn't.
Things like peptoids are banned when they are used to speed up and better healing of injuries. So an athlete who needs to recover in time would be cheating despite gaining no other advantage (other than some peptides do help you sleep better which is one mechanism by which they work).
There has been calls for years for PED's to be allowed in cycling as not only is it obvious that almost everyone is using them but given how detrimental that sport is to the body, it's actually SAFER to be using certain compounds.
I do understand the combat sport argument but the caveat is that if both competitors are using, they can both better absorb blows as well as dishing them out. There will always be a possibility of mortality in combat sports and it should be considered that most athletes could take what they like and never be able to hit as hard as Wilder or Mike Tyson with their God given power. Yet we still sanction people to fight them.
As I say, I'm 50/50 on the combat sports thing but for the rest of sports, to have an organisation where its all open and fair I'm totally on board with.
And your heart blows up when you’re in your 40’s.
Does it,where's your evidence ? What made Christian Eriksen's heart blow up at 29yrs old ?
Gatlin looks fine to me so do all the American baseball players
Myth
@@leepatrick9432 Doping did. You're dumb if you think footballers don't take performance enhancing drugs.
Their body their choice
Jim looks absolutely disgusted by this guy 😂 😂
women get injections in there face everyday for improvement ... dont see the big issue
Why did Jim get so angry at this?! His reaction is hilarious to me. Me and my friends have said for years that we'd watch a steroid Olympics. I agree with Jordan that he's just looking for a commercial opportunity but if this gets off the ground and records start being broken I am 100% tuning in.
It's absolutely brilliant
Great idea. So someone might take something that makes them a bit better. Why not
We have that already, It’s called training harder.
@@adammohamed.. How about training harder + juiced up?
Couldn't have come from a better place than a Chelsea fan, whos club started off financial doping in football
@@asmo2183 sounds like an over dose incoming. Cos if you’re better than me naturally and we both use the same amount of juice , you’re still going to be better than me. The verve made that song for a reason.
@@adammohamed.. Of course overdose is on the table. Athletes will be coming with full open eyes in this. The label is clearly is in the name.
This is great idea. Jim is way off. The guy spoke well
Was a good opportunity for an interesting conversation on a topic that hasnt been hammered to death already by the media.
Shame Jim decided to be so stubborn.
Yeah Jim ruins everything with his bad attitude.
Hell yeah I’d watch it
I want to see the weight lifter lift the stadium 🏋️♂️ the javilin take down a plane and the sprinters out run the sound of the starter pistol! 😂😅😂
To really see what a human can achieve whilst on the juice would be amazing.
We already see it in the premier league, boxing, Basketball, NFL, MMA, the olympics. They’re all cheating they just pretend they’re clean. There’s too much money in it for these athletes to be clean.
They're all juiced up already
You don't think many of these athletes arnt already on peds? Of course they are. Look at pro bodybuilders for example. Every single mr olympia competitor is on peds and clearly shows what the human body is capable of when juiced up.
I don't watch the Olympics it's boring but I would watch enhanced olympics
Russia will be delighted with this definitely take their full team at these games.
😂😂😂😂
I would totally but tickets to the "Olympeds" games.
Jim didn't cover himself in glory here ......
They have cheered on Chelsea, Man City & PSG on the football pitch for years but other sports doped is a no no! 🤔
Exactly
These guys are legends, however they are both really showing their disconnect with society. Jim, really showing his age with his tone and view on the subject. Make no mistake, there is some sort of market for this; how big, we shall see.
Boomers gonna boomer.
Lance Armstrongs comeback begins.
There will be an audience for it. World Strongest Man is a prime example.
This can’t interfere with world record from clean athletes but this would be a good watch
I don't think this guys ever meet an actual athlete. To say atheletes will always make informed decisions about there body is the stupiest thing i ever heard. The reason they are athletes bevause they ignore thier bodies and push themselves to insane levels
Would i watch it?
I already am....
"As i stood on the 100m start line in lane 8 i looked along at the other 7 guys and thought what am i doing differently, why dont i look anything like that"
A quote from Darren Campbell
Great idea. As a matter of fact most Olympic athletes are enhanced. They have ways to work around testing. Some even use blood transfusion
It’s an Alternative for those who want to compete while enhanced, it’ll definitely take off & this Lad investing in it will reap the benefits.
It’s amazing that Jim & Simon can’t see the potential in it!
Love the faux outrage from these 3. Also, PEDs are already rife in boxing but they're not used to punch harder. How do you think Fury has such a good engine?
It’s interesting that Fury is literally a steroid cheat yet it barely gets mentioned. They can’t stop harping on Conor Benn though.
@@Insertnamehere287easier to get away with it when your fat, you come out jacked that's when the accusations start
It's the only way forward, right now enhancement is happening in ALL professional sports, just under the table. It's no difference between the enhanced Olympics and the summer Olympics, just with the enhanced Olympics its open and legal instead of having to cheat to get the advantage or even worse, to level the playing field.
Yes I would be totally up for it, it's a level playing field and since you don't need testing you can spare a lot of money.
How would it be cheating when all the guys are using abs are allowed to? 😂
What does jim think of Lance Armstrong i wonder
To be fair Lance was just a scapegoat, they were all at it, he was just American
I would 100% watch 100m needs to have a big fat line jist before they take there marks .. the longer events heptathlon athletes etc need to take acid before the 1st event that would be funnier then doping
I’m all for it. Jim’s way off the mark with this. How can it be cheating if the rules are that you can take performance enhancing drugs.
This has needed to happen for so long
Lance Armstrongs name getting thrown about again 😂 when the entire peloton doped and still do now
The 400 metre record will get smashed by a pole vaulter doing his lap of honour.
The better question is who wouldn't watch it and why not?
Its not exactly a new idea. Even I had this idea about 20 years ago.. I'd definitely watch it! But I think it could lead to serious problems because the athletes will take more and more and more to try and get an advantage. It will very quickly get close to dangerous levels. So even if it did get going it wouldn't last long due people having heart attacks during events and/or large amounts of athletes dying during training or at a very early age in general. But I'd still watch it.
This is naïve. More doesn't = more. The professionals have known that for decades, most of them (in the majority of sports) are on a cocktail of substances that the average Joe will never touch, and not all of them will have dire consequences to those athletes longevity. Even in local gyms, wannabe competitive bodybuilders know a huge amount about proper dosing and cycling of a plethora of substances. The issue is when inexperienced/idiotic people get hold of them and take the 'more is more' approach, but that will happen regardless. Would this sort of games create a pressure for more young kids to take PEDs? Maybe. But it's clearly rife now anyway, maybe open information will help inform some better practices.
That's what would make it entertaining, the athletes going mental with the dope. If I'm gonna watch it, I want the javelin thrower to look like a rhino.
Very naive take. Athletes and sports science is already aware of the hyper optimised doses for performances which is almost always a less is more situation. Maybe what your saying would have happened in the 70s but athletes and there teams today know that going overboard would only harm performance more than help.
@@bj11755 Optimised doses for performance are very likely not the same as optimised doses for long term, or even short term health. I don't think I'm naïve, I've been alive long enough to know there will be people who will do whatever it takes to be a superhuman even if it will likely shorten their lifespan by 30-40 years, and there will be people who will happily let them do it if it lines their pockets at the same time.
@bj11755 surely sports science takes into account that they're going to be tested for trace levels of certain drugs? So they take an amount, at a certain time which makes them undetectable. If the worry of being caught is removed does that not mean naive, desperate athletes will make mistakes regarding the PEDs they're taking?
I think it is great. We don't have a problem when creative artistes make good physical stuff, arranged words or noise when under the influence. Why should we not apply the same relaxed position to athletes.
The funny thing it’s a great idea the performance enhancements are safe when pure and we understand to be the best at something like track you have to be a genetic anomaly training will get you in the top 10 not 0.1%
And they all take supplements now so the this category is the equivalent of a open competition ironically
They are safe with doctors supervision and blood work.
I've been calling for this for yearssss it's about time
It will be great tv and athletes who participate will have more health check and be advised on how their health on either to stop in they in danger lines or keep going
Cmon Jim you can do better. The man explained the cheating is what already exists, removing the rules in a separate sporting event enables all participants to do the same and be honest about it. It doesn’t mean the enhanced games results should considered in the same terms as the standard competitions.
I'll definitely watch it. It'll be very interesting.
Let's hope there's no roid rage at The Enhanced Olympics in December 2024
Often with Jim I feel he derives his opinion from what he deems is the publicly accepted standpoint, rather than engaging in discussion
Jim is so incredibly dense😂
15:00 I remember watching world strongest man when they did the arm wrestling and sumo events. Guys that jacked absolutely damaged each other.
Not combat sports, that's just dangerous, but Sprinters, swimmers, weight lifting basically anything that's not a contact sport.
How does someone who has been a sports pundit for however many years not able to get their head around the fact that if there is no rule against it then it's not cheating. If the rules of football changed tomorrow and using your hands was no longer disallowed then it wouldn't be cheating if somebody did it. I feel like a child can grasp that concept.
It would be great, they would be so doped up the guys in the pole vault wouldn’t need the pole
😂😂😂
Conor Benn is praying this happens ahaha
😂😂😂
I think it's a fantastic idea and something my brother and I have discussed many times. Let's get it on!
I remember watching a stand-up comedian do a bit about this years ago lol. I think it was Just for Laughs in Montreal.
God forbid that adults are allowed to decide for them selves
imagine kids growing up saying "wow hes cool, i wanna be drugged up like that athlete mum" lol
They do that now. People are just naive
We all ready have the dirty Olympics it’s called the Olympic Games.
If it was to go ahead you would have a situation similar to Victorian era, they had amateur athletes and professional peds, once the amateurs competed or even train with a professional they were outcasts and that is what should happen here clean athletes and enhanced should not mix ,end of.
Long jump would be like a run a jump and where the fck did he go 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣
I'll be turning up in the crowd wearing a fkn suit of armour when the javelin is on
@@russellhobbs7245 like a fly by joustin 🤣🤣
Won't take off , if its down to the doctors to OK said enhancement what you will have then is doctors having there own ceiling on what dose or drug they are prepared to give and there lies a advantage or disadvantage to the athletes unless a governing body puts a ceiling in and clear guideline this will never work and if for some reason it does go ahead it will only be due to the money being thrown at it and God forbid bur I see it being canceled at the first fatality maybe while they are live on air ...... bad bad idea, especially without any regulation!
Good point. I don't see that as an obstacle for the athletes though. They would just find a new doctor. Look at Katie Price, if she wanted to stitch a dead polar bear onto her torso, there would be a surgeon out there that would do it.
We already do. It's called the Olympics
Seems dangerous. Like people would ruin their bodies (more than usual) preparing for these events
I was on board till that advert. Juiced up victims
What did you think it was before that advert?
An all mutant league might be fun to watch, but I am not a fan of how this is being marketed.
Dirty games JIM? How isn’t it dirty and cheating when a man says he’s a woman 😂
No rules, no holds barred. Anything goes = LAZY BOOKING!
I'd watch it, cuz it's still human beings managing to do these records. Yep, i'd watch it.
These guys gonna be running the 100m like Sonic 🏃🏼♂️💨
Jim and Simon were being to absolute idiots in this segment
As ridiculous as the notion is, if you're not breaking any rules how've you cheated?
I'm 100% on board with this! Let's see what people can REALLY do!
Totally agree. 20 odd yrs ago I chased down a fiesta full of gobshites going after about 15 E's. If my 5ft 9 frame and little legs can do that I'd love to see what others can really do
The science behind doping to some level is that it is actually healthier, aiding in recovery, prevent injuries, etc. whilst this MAY be true to a degree, my main concern is that by setting no limits and inviting doped athletes it will essentially result an arms race of supra physiological doping which moves objectively out of any arguable health parameters and is only concerned with performance - athletes are forced to increase dosages/take more dangerous compounds in order to compete and none of it is to the benefit of the athletes’ health, in fact it will be very much to the contrary
I'd love to watch it. just imagine, sprinters faster than greyhounds LOL
“You call it science” 🤣🤣
What would you call it Jim
Would be interesting to see how far the human body can go both females and males
There are only males and females.
What about it there still male or female underneath the bonnet
Big fan of this, I would definitely watch
You would need to be naive to think you haven’t been watching it…it’s rife in top level sports.
I'd definitely watch it!
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
I have to say that so many people have such short memories. Most Eastern Bloc teams during the Cold War conducted massive doping programmes. Sure in the short term, these got success, but in the long term, the health of many of the athletes involved has been catastrophic, Rica Reinisch is an excellent example. We have already seen former athletes suffer increased risk of cardiovascular disease, liver problems, violent mood swings, extreme masculinising effects in females and a clear link with certain forms of cancer.
One only has to go into your average gym, where performance enhancing drugs is readily available, to see the amount of mentally unstable, acne riven, breast enlarged men kicking the sh*t out of their partners, before getting a choker in the middle of ASDA.
What I find more is curious are lots of people are rightly squeamish about puberty blockers been injected into teens, some people been concerned regarding vaccinations, and a general suspicion of Big Pharma in general, although I don't accept totally all the accusations laid against drug companies. Yet here it seems that people are quite relaxed about drugs pumped into athletes.
As if to highlight the hypocrisy in the comments section. Why not stop there and get rid of gender regulated sports? After all these athletes are also subject to chemical enhancements? What about a Junior doping regime as practiced in East Germany? What about expanding it to football and rugby, where top teams can afford to get the best in scientists and performance enhancing technology, while you average League Two club struggles with non enhanced players?
In the end, this will turn out to be another misguided, ill judged 'advancement' where in essence, sports men and women will just be biological F1 cars, to use a crude analogy, and the real winners will be pharmaceutical companies. However as we rush to the Huxleyan nightmare of 'Brave New World', I'd always stick to John the Savage, rather than a human lab running round a race track.