my man, i was literally bored after playing it yesterday for 20 minutes after not touching the game for over 4 years, googled "why is Destiny so boring" and ended up here. It's definitely not you. If anything, it's a miracle that you and hundreds if not thousands of other people sticked it out for so long. I LOVE shooters. I LOVE games with loot, character and skill progression. I LOVE games with copious amounts of stuff to collect. I LOVE being able to play and/or switch between PvE AND PvP in a game. Destiny (1 and 2) basically should be the ideal game for me. But instead it somehow manages to be bad at all these things... well, except for the shooting itself, but this is simply not enough for any game without an engaging gameplay loop to keep anyone entertained, who is not in a coma or has left more than a handfull of functioning brain cells.
gear progression point is spot-on. I could take my loadout from season of arrivals and still do all the content in the game comfortably. There's really no motivation to farm new weapons or gear when they aren't that much better than what already exists. Not to mention there's nothing in the game that requires min/maxing gear which also kills the motivation to farm
there's no good outcome for bungie here because they'll either add the need to grind/farm, at which point you'll cry about the game being too grindy or too RNG-based or they'll keep things this way and you'll cry about having nothing to grind for it's a lose/lose
Some valid points fr. I have 1700 hours total with an even split across both pvp and pve. I’ve solo’d to ascendant and hit top 50 rumble this season using hc/sniper/shotty (inspired by ur vid) I’ve solo flawlessed all the dungeons and enjoy mechanics like sparrow flying etc. I have 50 hours in raids, and I’m willing to bet that the majority of that is due to me getting lw chests as a solo player. I’ve never played Kingsfall,Vog,Vow,RoN,GoS, DSC etc. All my experiences with lfg have been awful, people not knowing what to do or running awful loadouts and generally blaming anyone but themselves even though they have a massive skill issue. Raids consistently have the lowest population out of anything in the game, yes even gambit usually has more active players than raids. Loot is uninspiring, and for the vast majority of the game completely pointless. There’s always an ability spam build that makes gunplay irrelevant (provided you have the resources to make it) and like you mentioned 99% of content doesn’t constitute a challenge provided you’re set up correctly. Pvp sandbox is awful and they consistently mess things up and take months to put out the fires they start. Pk’s remain untouched as do bows, almost all new weapon archetypes they add are problems in the sandbox (glaives, bows) and the maps have been awful. Any semblance of skill gap is just being compressed over time, m&k movement receives repeated nerfs whilst not being an issue at all. The high end pvp community is toxic af, I’m literally unable to find a decent clan or fireteam as my lifetime flawless’s and k/d just isn’t good enough. Who cares that seasonally I’m a 2.6 whilst using a morality loadout as a solo player and often with 5x less time invested than other players at my skill level ? Clearly I am below average, and because of sbmm sometimes it feels like I am. Then there’s the rampant xim usage from (controller players) which is a whole other issue. I want things to do, I want there to be something I can do without putting myself at the mercy of randoms. Even just a horde mode as a solo player would be cool if there was a ranking system. I’ve barely touched the game in the last month and a half and I’m just glad that comparatively I don’t have THAT much time invested at this point.
My input as a 2000 hour medium skill solo console player: even at lower skill levels pvp is a nightmare since sbmm, and even to my low skill level friends sbmm has barely helped and no new player wants to touch pvp. also trials is terrible, it doesn't feel at all down to skill, i just need to catch the right times where worse players are on and at this point i can tell you if i will be able to go flawless based on the time alone (at 6 in the morning i can go flawless 2 times in a row, at 6 in the afternoon i'd be lucky to win one game), and going flawless in a fireteam is just impossible for me on the pve side, despite having less than half the hours of you, i have still reached the same point as you in terms of content difficulty, although i would like to say that there isn't much bungie can do really imo. ive been taking two of my friends through the game and it took about 300 hours before they knew enough to make what could be called a build. for bungie, content needs to be accessible, and making difficult solo content makes them no more money as much as i'd love and them to very good video you've earned a sub
The point was more that I'd like there to be other options on the difficulty of a raid, but for solo players or play sessions at odd times when people aren't on.
I understood what he was saying, If I want to run a Master Raid (or whatever its called I don't play this shit anymore) I would have to round up 5 of my buddies at the same skill lvl as me or better, or have to find random individuals who may not be very nice in order to do it. His point was the most alluring parts of the game are gatekept by fireteam activities.
Meh. I have over 8,000 hours in D2 alone and my issue now is that I don't care about anything anymore. I don't care if I had to start over again with a blank slate if it meant we got D3 with a new, modern game engine and a network with dedicated servers.
I started a discord for solo players like myself with the highlight being no kwtd or toxicity so I haven't been solo since July as it kind of took off but I've done almost every team activity now so much the only time I get excited to play is when a new person comes in and i can teach them a raid.
I took a year long break and got FOMO'd to hell with so much stuff but I after completely disengaging with the game when I came back I was having a lot of fun despite hating the nature of the game (it being a looter shooter) but now that I come back everything feels fresh and I don't mind the looter shooter aspect as much
I'm not the best at d2 and I don't feel like putting in the time to reach top 100 or anything like that, but I really really hate being gatekept out of raids and dungeons because I can't find a fireteam to do it. I just want to be able to sit down and do something stimulating by myself instead of being forced to play with other people. It doesn't make me want to play the game more, it just makes me frustrated with the already limited content we have available
Kinda hard disagree with you about fusion rifles, it might’ve been the case in the past but definitely not now. And hand cannons being unable to complete with autos take just isn’t true, even during one of the most oppressive auto metas hand cannons still had a place
Id say everything mentioned is spot on as it is. Unless you mention the trials full team matchmaking. I think it's very debatable whether is a good or a bad thing, while you cannot get the good out of it from both perspectives. For a solo player it is clutch not having to deal with people that are just not into PvP in trials and being matchmade to multiple carries full teams every other match. If you wanna carry i think its pretty doable duoq aswell, and honestly being it hard full squad mm thats what carries are.
We need average casual player content creators to show how unfun D2 really is to the majority of Bungie's (should be) target consumers. ''D2 is dead' content is financially MUCH worse than 'D2 is too easy for me' content.
Ability spam is the problem with pvp imo, there is no problem with abilities in pvp is just the fact the they are sooooo strong and have an absurd uptime..thats why i pove checkmate
@@mxaayy 1,45 min isn’t ability spam bro. There’s no ability fps game with higher abilities. I choose the warlock class fir the magic not for boring generic guns that every other fps game has
@@mxaayy I don’t care about how strong abilities are. I just want to use them in every fight because if not then I might just go play halo where the servers actually work
@@Telesto_Timelost im not saying that there shouldnt be abilities in the game i just think that turning pvp into a granade fest inst a good pvp experience, i understand that d2 isnt a competitive game but it shouldnt be unbalanced either
honestly if you've been playing the game for a decade and have spent thousands of hours on it i think blaming the devs is something you can't do, you can't expect them to cater to someone with literal YEARS of playtime as opposed to everybody else. i have 650ish hours over 5 years and i'm still enjoying the game, just play other things and you'll learn to appreciate the good parts of d2 imo
This games even more boring for new players. Going on wild goose chases for some quest and bounties. Not knowing where to go, you'll spend your time YouTubing videos on guides for quest
To be honest destiny 2 is kinda boring without the high content if they made no high content it would be fun without stike or gambit or pvp also gameplay not very fun i play was fun bug after i play until light fall it got boring nothimg speical just a shooting game with some extra stuff but not very fantasy if they add something that is repeat without going to orbit that is low level euth beginer most if the stuff is mostly high player patrol is boring as shit and has no point of it they could do survial stay alive as long you can or defend a object like defend a object ir a cargo or something that would be fun the activity could have a chance to drop a extotic armor domething like that or they could do a space battle
Did you srsly just say sniping on the roller is shit? Idk what you are on about because idk if you have ever played against any edgelord 3.5kd pk titan in trials they are ALWAYS on the roller and they dont be missing a lot. Its almost common if i shoot someone in the head with my igneous right before i get absolutely domed by their cloudstrike i can always assume they are on the roller bc they just dont get flinched
yeah this one threw me a little bit I have to say, there's a reason that every one of those sweaty trials clans with 4 k/d smg cloudstrike players are all controller players, and that there are some pro tournaments that exclusively ban snipers for controller players. Because of flinch being so bad, you just have to shoot as fast as possible and don't have time to actually focus and aim properly, which is a lot easier on controller because of aim assist being so forgiving. Match into arcweb once in trials and you'll understand pretty quickly lmao
I mean hear me out if you -don’t like the story -gameplay -weapons -Activity’s -skill gap -anything Go play a different game lol there’s lots to do in this game but it sounds like your to scared to do any real end game content of course there’s nothing to do you spent years of your life playing crucible instead of complaining you should get good or leave your opinions are invalid and wrong
@@Splashfighter100 ah I see your going for that meat rider achievement no I did watch it he cried I was confused I made my friends watch it and they asked why is this three year old crying about this game when he could just stop playing or play the content he bitches about not being able to do when he said he hates lfgs my friend said “have you tried soloing” and I couldn’t agree more cry little baby cry
@@Splashfighter100 one sentence “oh because ana is schodinger box like she’s alive she dead what is she?” that sentence is all you need to know this man doesn’t know anything but will still bitch about things he doesn’t know about his opinion is wrong and that it
Here's my thoughts. Destiny 2 uses to be a simple get on get it done get off and feel like a badass. Team based focus used to be amazing there's d2 apps to use. Enemies weren't so hardened (shooting them 50 times in the head to kill them) that aspect makes the game boring nobody wants to shoot an add 50 times. Mods make the game unplayable for people who have jobs and lives because you need to know what's glitched what's nerfed what's buffed and what works for what season or per update. And that requires sooo much time off screen. They baby newbies making co op like raids easier and entitling the new cry babies to get carried through the raid. Raids went from know what to do to carry me. And yes eager edge shouldn't be a thing considering if it was intentional they should of just made it easier. Now there's a huge gap from casuals to speed runners and speed runners make the game not enjoyable you can be good at an activity but these losers become so entitled and the aunt of the family that eventually your like stfu. And lastly if your playing destiny 2 for pvp you are the real loser congradulations there's a reason destiny doesn't have a pro league it's never stable and never needed if I wanted to shoot someone battlefield and cod even apex fits that criteria
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my man, i was literally bored after playing it yesterday for 20 minutes after not touching the game for over 4 years, googled "why is Destiny so boring" and ended up here. It's definitely not you. If anything, it's a miracle that you and hundreds if not thousands of other people sticked it out for so long.
I LOVE shooters. I LOVE games with loot, character and skill progression. I LOVE games with copious amounts of stuff to collect. I LOVE being able to play and/or switch between PvE AND PvP in a game. Destiny (1 and 2) basically should be the ideal game for me. But instead it somehow manages to be bad at all these things... well, except for the shooting itself, but this is simply not enough for any game without an engaging gameplay loop to keep anyone entertained, who is not in a coma or has left more than a handfull of functioning brain cells.
The legacy edition is free on epic for a reason... Everyone is burnt out and they want 12 year olds to buy their god awful DLC
gear progression point is spot-on. I could take my loadout from season of arrivals and still do all the content in the game comfortably. There's really no motivation to farm new weapons or gear when they aren't that much better than what already exists. Not to mention there's nothing in the game that requires min/maxing gear which also kills the motivation to farm
there's no good outcome for bungie here because they'll either add the need to grind/farm, at which point you'll cry about the game being too grindy or too RNG-based
or they'll keep things this way and you'll cry about having nothing to grind for
it's a lose/lose
Some valid points fr.
I have 1700 hours total with an even split across both pvp and pve. I’ve solo’d to ascendant and hit top 50 rumble this season using hc/sniper/shotty (inspired by ur vid) I’ve solo flawlessed all the dungeons and enjoy mechanics like sparrow flying etc.
I have 50 hours in raids, and I’m willing to bet that the majority of that is due to me getting lw chests as a solo player. I’ve never played Kingsfall,Vog,Vow,RoN,GoS, DSC etc. All my experiences with lfg have been awful, people not knowing what to do or running awful loadouts and generally blaming anyone but themselves even though they have a massive skill issue. Raids consistently have the lowest population out of anything in the game, yes even gambit usually has more active players than raids.
Loot is uninspiring, and for the vast majority of the game completely pointless. There’s always an ability spam build that makes gunplay irrelevant (provided you have the resources to make it) and like you mentioned 99% of content doesn’t constitute a challenge provided you’re set up correctly.
Pvp sandbox is awful and they consistently mess things up and take months to put out the fires they start. Pk’s remain untouched as do bows, almost all new weapon archetypes they add are problems in the sandbox (glaives, bows) and the maps have been awful. Any semblance of skill gap is just being compressed over time, m&k movement receives repeated nerfs whilst not being an issue at all. The high end pvp community is toxic af, I’m literally unable to find a decent clan or fireteam as my lifetime flawless’s and k/d just isn’t good enough. Who cares that seasonally I’m a 2.6 whilst using a morality loadout as a solo player and often with 5x less time invested than other players at my skill level ? Clearly I am below average, and because of sbmm sometimes it feels like I am. Then there’s the rampant xim usage from (controller players) which is a whole other issue.
I want things to do, I want there to be something I can do without putting myself at the mercy of randoms. Even just a horde mode as a solo player would be cool if there was a ranking system. I’ve barely touched the game in the last month and a half and I’m just glad that comparatively I don’t have THAT much time invested at this point.
you got a source for the "raids have less players than gambit"? everything I can see says raids have 5%ish, with gambit at 3% of the population
My input as a 2000 hour medium skill solo console player: even at lower skill levels pvp is a nightmare since sbmm, and even to my low skill level friends sbmm has barely helped and no new player wants to touch pvp. also trials is terrible, it doesn't feel at all down to skill, i just need to catch the right times where worse players are on and at this point i can tell you if i will be able to go flawless based on the time alone (at 6 in the morning i can go flawless 2 times in a row, at 6 in the afternoon i'd be lucky to win one game), and going flawless in a fireteam is just impossible for me
on the pve side, despite having less than half the hours of you, i have still reached the same point as you in terms of content difficulty, although i would like to say that there isn't much bungie can do really imo. ive been taking two of my friends through the game and it took about 300 hours before they knew enough to make what could be called a build. for bungie, content needs to be accessible, and making difficult solo content makes them no more money as much as i'd love and them to
very good video you've earned a sub
Are you complaining about having to make a fireteam for a raid?
The point was more that I'd like there to be other options on the difficulty of a raid, but for solo players or play sessions at odd times when people aren't on.
I understood what he was saying, If I want to run a Master Raid (or whatever its called I don't play this shit anymore) I would have to round up 5 of my buddies at the same skill lvl as me or better, or have to find random individuals who may not be very nice in order to do it. His point was the most alluring parts of the game are gatekept by fireteam activities.
Meh. I have over 8,000 hours in D2 alone and my issue now is that I don't care about anything anymore. I don't care if I had to start over again with a blank slate if it meant we got D3 with a new, modern game engine and a network with dedicated servers.
All my homies hate fusion rifles
I started a discord for solo players like myself with the highlight being no kwtd or toxicity so I haven't been solo since July as it kind of took off but I've done almost every team activity now so much the only time I get excited to play is when a new person comes in and i can teach them a raid.
13:15 ok not supposed to be in pvp? well with that logic all weapons should get infinite ammo in pvp.
I took a year long break and got FOMO'd to hell with so much stuff but I after completely disengaging with the game when I came back I was having a lot of fun despite hating the nature of the game (it being a looter shooter) but now that I come back everything feels fresh and I don't mind the looter shooter aspect as much
But people hated sun setting… ugh
2:01 no mic gm lfgs are the most common one though
I'm not the best at d2 and I don't feel like putting in the time to reach top 100 or anything like that, but I really really hate being gatekept out of raids and dungeons because I can't find a fireteam to do it. I just want to be able to sit down and do something stimulating by myself instead of being forced to play with other people. It doesn't make me want to play the game more, it just makes me frustrated with the already limited content we have available
"fuck i have no life" well at least the self awareness is there XD
Kinda hard disagree with you about fusion rifles, it might’ve been the case in the past but definitely not now. And hand cannons being unable to complete with autos take just isn’t true, even during one of the most oppressive auto metas hand cannons still had a place
This guy's Kick stream cured me from my can't aim disease. As a result, I am now able to shit on players with insane snipes.
Id say everything mentioned is spot on as it is. Unless you mention the trials full team matchmaking. I think it's very debatable whether is a good or a bad thing, while you cannot get the good out of it from both perspectives. For a solo player it is clutch not having to deal with people that are just not into PvP in trials and being matchmade to multiple carries full teams every other match. If you wanna carry i think its pretty doable duoq aswell, and honestly being it hard full squad mm thats what carries are.
Bros speaking facts lol, that ending really got me
Lightfall is ass
Some takes were definitely out there but still a solid vid with no dead parts of the video 👍
We need average casual player content creators to show how unfun D2 really is to the majority of Bungie's (should be) target consumers. ''D2 is dead' content is financially MUCH worse than 'D2 is too easy for me' content.
Why not both
This is the best background gameplay ever omg xD
plz show your new hunter builds for this season!!
And pvp will become a lot more boring once they turn it into a cod/halo clone
Ability spam is the problem with pvp imo, there is no problem with abilities in pvp is just the fact the they are sooooo strong and have an absurd uptime..thats why i pove checkmate
@@mxaayy 1,45 min isn’t ability spam bro. There’s no ability fps game with higher abilities. I choose the warlock class fir the magic not for boring generic guns that every other fps game has
@@mxaayy checkmate games against the identity and power fantasy of 1/3 of d2’s classes
@@mxaayy I don’t care about how strong abilities are. I just want to use them in every fight because if not then I might just go play halo where the servers actually work
@@Telesto_Timelost im not saying that there shouldnt be abilities in the game i just think that turning pvp into a granade fest inst a good pvp experience, i understand that d2 isnt a competitive game but it shouldnt be unbalanced either
Who tf is this guy? I’m def droppin a like 😂 he’s 100% correct also don’t forget melee whiffs
greppo is a white listed cheater
honestly if you've been playing the game for a decade and have spent thousands of hours on it i think blaming the devs is something you can't do, you can't expect them to cater to someone with literal YEARS of playtime as opposed to everybody else. i have 650ish hours over 5 years and i'm still enjoying the game, just play other things and you'll learn to appreciate the good parts of d2 imo
only simps play hunter.
This games even more boring for new players. Going on wild goose chases for some quest and bounties. Not knowing where to go, you'll spend your time YouTubing videos on guides for quest
To be honest destiny 2 is kinda boring without the high content if they made no high content it would be fun without stike or gambit or pvp also gameplay not very fun i play was fun bug after i play until light fall it got boring nothimg speical just a shooting game with some extra stuff but not very fantasy if they add something that is repeat without going to orbit that is low level euth beginer most if the stuff is mostly high player patrol is boring as shit and has no point of it they could do survial stay alive as long you can or defend a object like defend a object ir a cargo or something that would be fun the activity could have a chance to drop a extotic armor domething like that or they could do a space battle
Have you tried d1
Its the best
Both.
Bungie jus let ur devs over deliver
Did you srsly just say sniping on the roller is shit? Idk what you are on about because idk if you have ever played against any edgelord 3.5kd pk titan in trials they are ALWAYS on the roller and they dont be missing a lot. Its almost common if i shoot someone in the head with my igneous right before i get absolutely domed by their cloudstrike i can always assume they are on the roller bc they just dont get flinched
yeah this one threw me a little bit I have to say, there's a reason that every one of those sweaty trials clans with 4 k/d smg cloudstrike players are all controller players, and that there are some pro tournaments that exclusively ban snipers for controller players. Because of flinch being so bad, you just have to shoot as fast as possible and don't have time to actually focus and aim properly, which is a lot easier on controller because of aim assist being so forgiving. Match into arcweb once in trials and you'll understand pretty quickly lmao
2014 holy
This was real asf
Good on you for pointing out how M&K for Bungo was a mistake.
Bro heat rises doesn’t even work properly on console
If bungie didint port destiny to pc, game would probably be dead as hell 😢
The voice of nimbus is cringe, and the whole cyberpunk theme is gross I agree so much 😂
you can drive down the highway faster bud
I mean hear me out if you
-don’t like the story
-gameplay
-weapons
-Activity’s
-skill gap
-anything
Go play a different game lol there’s lots to do in this game but it sounds like your to scared to do any real end game content of course there’s nothing to do you spent years of your life playing crucible instead of complaining you should get good or leave your opinions are invalid and wrong
I see your going for that "Didn't watch the video" achievement.
@@Splashfighter100 ah I see your going for that meat rider achievement no I did watch it he cried I was confused I made my friends watch it and they asked why is this three year old crying about this game when he could just stop playing or play the content he bitches about not being able to do when he said he hates lfgs my friend said “have you tried soloing” and I couldn’t agree more cry little baby cry
@@Splashfighter100 one sentence “oh because ana is schodinger box like she’s alive she dead what is she?” that sentence is all you need to know this man doesn’t know anything but will still bitch about things he doesn’t know about his opinion is wrong and that it
Here's my thoughts. Destiny 2 uses to be a simple get on get it done get off and feel like a badass. Team based focus used to be amazing there's d2 apps to use. Enemies weren't so hardened (shooting them 50 times in the head to kill them) that aspect makes the game boring nobody wants to shoot an add 50 times. Mods make the game unplayable for people who have jobs and lives because you need to know what's glitched what's nerfed what's buffed and what works for what season or per update. And that requires sooo much time off screen. They baby newbies making co op like raids easier and entitling the new cry babies to get carried through the raid. Raids went from know what to do to carry me. And yes eager edge shouldn't be a thing considering if it was intentional they should of just made it easier. Now there's a huge gap from casuals to speed runners and speed runners make the game not enjoyable you can be good at an activity but these losers become so entitled and the aunt of the family that eventually your like stfu. And lastly if your playing destiny 2 for pvp you are the real loser congradulations there's a reason destiny doesn't have a pro league it's never stable and never needed if I wanted to shoot someone battlefield and cod even apex fits that criteria