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- A Discussion around the Updated Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight and the possible arrival of the next generation. Also discussing a "leaked" image that appeared in Esquire magazine and what that could mean for the future of this watch. Will it be based on the BB54 and evolve from there? Or could it be far more interesting?
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Intro 0:00
Leaked Tudor Black Bay 58? 1:53
Comparing the BB54 with "new" BB58 2:34
Vintage Submariners, Tudor 7923 4:10
BB58 Design Ideas & Renders 5:43
Tudor vs Rolex 8:00
Conclusion 9:05
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Slight error, the Album name is “Back to Black”. What do we think about the concept that the BB54 will inform the next generation BB58? I reckon it would be a missed opportunity to not let the 58 stand on its own. What are your ideas about what this next piece might look like? 🥃
Amazing guitar intro🎉
@@Sandipan_Naskarit was actually pretty good. Didn’t know he had it in him 😏
Love the guitar intro
That should be your new intro! Fantastic! 👏👏👏
Where did you get that one with pencil hands and lollipop ? I can’t find it. Great content though 1st time I land here and I fully agree you got a new follower. Let’s wait for Geneve this April, 2024 is also the 70th anniversary of Tudor Submariner
That green render.. my god, instant buy. Nice job!
I should've refined it more for this video but hey, wanted to focus on the Black & Gilt. But man, there are so many options to make this new generation stand out and really sing. Would love to see that Forest Green colour option with Gilt accents 🥃
Dear Mr IDGuy.
Haven’t got past the intro yet.
Oh my word.
Very well played.
Hmm the watch, yes well I have my eyes still set on the 925.
Now to your review…
The intro really made me want to get home and pick up my acoustic! Loved watching this with my morning coffee in one hand and holding/admiring my 54 in the other. These little mechanical machines really do touch the heart it's amazing.
I recognized the song as soon as you started playing it. Nice job!!!! Sounded beautiful.
Only thing that is keeping me from buying a BB58 is T adjustment bracelet.
Steel Reef extension link Michael....
That forest green render is 🔥
I’d add that to my collection today!
Honestly, I don’t think Tudor will change the BB58 at all.
How do you surpass perfection? Having had the BB58 for a while now I struggle to find anything that competes on value, heritage, quality, and looks. It set a benchmark for me in watch collecting that makes other watches generally either feel overpriced (Explorer) or not as good looking (Aquaterra). Completely subjective but a bit of a problem at the moment😕
Your intro & guitar playing was outstanding!
I’d like to see Tudor offer different colors of the BB58, along with a T-Fit clasp & choices of oyster & jubilee bracelets. Come to think of it, the whole BB line could benefit from different dial colors & color combinations.
Without question the black bay line has brought Tudor to where it is today, but when I compare their black bay models to their vintage models of decades past, I’m left wanting. Your videos are always an excellent way to start the weekend 🥃
I feel you Alvin, and their '58 made the range far more "accessible" to the majority because of its sizing. I just so wish they'd give us THE watch we've all been wanting (in our heads) - I still can't even picture what it would look like. Maybe their 7923 from Only Watch? Love that machine... and thank you brother!! 🥃
Really? The new ones are amazing! Especially the 58 and 54 - almost perfect
@@AZadeh-nd8vxReally??? 😂
@amgolfer3591 yes, really! And I own a Sub 41 and new Seamaster 300m - the BB58 and BB54 are just as good. Why don't you think so?
@@AZadeh-nd8vx AZ....I was merely mocking you; apparently it went over your head. Grow up, stallion. I or anyone else could care less what you own or what you think is the best. Usually when one goes off about what they own, they lose credibility really fast. Get some fresh air.
When I was deciding between the 54 and 55, unlike most people the size wasn’t my biggest concern.. I spent a while analysing them both and in the end i realised the reason why the bb58 always struck me was the gilt dial and red triangle.. it accentuates the warmth of the watch and really drives it home. It feels “all in” while the 54 feels conservative and trying to please everyone. I also think the matte dial is one of the nicest things Tudor can do with their watches.. the bbpro has a similar dial and it just feels so fitting.
Bought it on bracelet, Tried the watch on jubilee, and now I’m using a distressed leather strap in olive green and the combo feels very finished. Regardless of where they go with it next, I honestly don’t think I’d upgrade.. I’ve really grown to love this model I have which is actually one from 19 as well. Anyway, great video as always.. thanks for sharing
Well done. Agree with your observations and thanks for sharing your talent playing the guitar.
Your Guitar playing, eclectic delivery and surprisingly harmonious. Effective but not presumptuous, not aiming to be genius perhaps but surely aware of being brilliant by being authentic. Genuinely influenced by what provides your sound with an irreverent personality, confident that the musical dialect produced is at peace with how it is spoken and perhaps understood. Ultimately It doesn’t matter. What matters is that the render, design, interpretation of any material comes out your channel does so as being truly your own. Watches, music, life, scotch, branding. In the end we all love THE great watches and brands because they are also, in their own particular way, in this constant quest as well. Cheers to you and thanks for all the great content. Oh, and if that black bay “monochrome” all black and white with a jubilee bracelet in the video does come out (i haven’t seen it before ever) It will fight vs. The black matte Pelagos 42 for my “only watch I’ll ever need” category.
"I cheated myself, like I knew I would" (into buying another Tudor) 😂
Brilliant intro mate! Loving the guitar content
Now that would've made for a far more interesting start to the video 😆Love it! And thank you brother! 🥃
I (believe) I was the first person to spot the “new” BB58 in Esquire last year and upload the photos online (I received the mag a few weeks early). I ultimately ended up exchanging messages with the editor of the magazine who confirmed it was a botched edit resulting from sub-par photos during their shoot. This becomes more obvious when you notice the lack of any crystal distortion between the dial/bezel. Still, it looked pretty cool!
Thank you for clearing this up Dom! I still for the life of me, don't understand how they managed to edit / smash a BB54 (not 58) with a more modern bezel. Speaking as a guy who does these sorts of edits virtually every week, it takes work!😆 You'd have to slot an entirely different bezel insert onto the existing one. But you're right, that distortion looks off on the dial. As we know the crown would be incorrect for a 58 etc. interesting to think about though! 🥃
Always taking credit
I would love to see a black bay 54 with the gilded dial like the BB58. I love the colors in the 58 but in a smaller size
Love my BB58. It’s the only watch that wears like the Sub 14060 I used to have. A variant that removed the guild for silver would look great.
Beautiful intro. Well done 😎👍🏼
I bought a BB58 and my only real complaint were the gilted bezel but good news. I live in a sunny state and the gilt has faded way down and looks really cool now. Love the BB58 and i dont really get too excited about these new releases bc i love mine and dont see myself getting rid of it anytime soon.
yup, have the faded bezel bars and numbers, it’s distanced from the yellow, that, in seeing newer ones at the AD, I no longer find appealing. Haven’t found any watch (that I could realistically get) that I’d be willing to switch out to.
Would love the green one with the jubilee bracelet!
You’re bb 58 version is an instant buy for me, thats what we want!!
A very nice riff and 🎸playing style, that rack of guitars behind you appears to be put to very good use. Well done Anthony AVPG⌚
Perfect timing! Have my steaming hot cup of tea ready to go!!
I hope it was a worthwhile video brother 😉🥃
Please tell me you also had Biscuits with your cup of tea while watching a fantastic Id Guy Production
Love that playing! Well done. Rockin the LHD, guitar in lap, as usual.... as I watch your latest. Cheers.
I had to make a conscious decision to either play left or right handed when I started (10ish years ago) and man was it difficult to find any rhythm in my right hand...especially coming from a piano background. Easily took me about 8 of those 10 years to get my right hand reprogrammed 😆 And thank you Jeremy! 🥃
@ID-Guy Fretting is tedious in the beginning .... then we realize mastering picking, strumming, and plucking is a long journey as well. You sound great.
You are a man of many talents! Great intro… yes, got the tune immediately 🎉. I hope Tudor watches this but their plans are already done for 2024… Tudor is starting to “not dare” so it would be nice to see some other colors for the bb58. A Starbucks variant would break the internet. Or how about a dark bb58 version (all black Pvd with no gilt). Or a bb58 “modern” with ceramic bezel, dial and design cues from a north flag. Heck, even a controversial design like the
P01 would shake things up. 😊 I have a feeling a thick chrono is what we will get though.
NOOOOOOOO!! What are they doing!? The gilt red triangle 58 is Tudor. Instantly recognised. It's a down grade. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Words to live by. Kudos to the guitar playing my friend. A difficult tune to play. Great video as usual. Take care and stay safe.
If they drop the red triangle... folks will lose it. Maybe they can drop the gilt bezel BUT the triangle... and thank you Ian. I don't talk about music and playing much but hey, worth giving it a shot. Have an excellent weekend sir! 😉🥃
Great job on that guitar, I totally got it and starting singing to it.
Please no (leaked variant). But yes to quality renders and riffs 🎉 👍
I have several Tudors, but I'm not likely to buy again something that if squint resembles what I already have. To cement their position they need a something with a smooth bezel that is a big hit. That and METAS movements would probably pique my interest.
BB58 blue owner here. I hope that leak isn’t true, because to my eye it doesn’t look much different from the current black model. If the BB58 had a date option it would be close to being my only watch. I agree and think Tudor leave things out on purpose, to keep us wanting/buying
I think that is a marketing ploy for many
Tudor is where they are because of that Black Bay line. It is definitely the natural successor to the Submariner, and I think in 50 years people will be still talking about how that Black Bay is as good as the Submariner. Thanks Brother for the video 👍🏽
I am not familiar with the song or the album, but I felt you were channeling a bit of Sting with your rendition. Beautifully produced vid. Thank you for your insights on the new BB58.
Great timing. Fratello just dropped a Tudor 2024 prediction article yesterday with 12-3-6 subdials for the Chrono - such a great look. The leak is strange - SUI usually don’t make such mistakes. Would miss the red triangle.
All I want is a white dial BB Pro…
Nice intro! I'll be back to watch in a bit.
Nice guitar playing ID Guy, top stuff
Your point about the 80-90% rule, I agree. Although...the BB54 all the watch I will ever need. Nothing today can beat it. Only if the day comes where Rolex sees sense and faithfully re-issues a modernized 6204 will I be interested in any other diver
Well said about your 54. It's a piece that I'm so infatuated with BUT it also doesn't "fit" in my small collection anymore... and man, I constantly go back and forth debating how great it is (perfect as a tudor in fact) and then the reasons why I haven't been wearing it. Definitely a video that'll be in the making 🥃
As always another great video. Nice music at the beginning, you are certainly accomplished in this.
I hope this was a mistake. The guilded 58 is the high water mark for the BB series. Yes upgrade the movement, T-fit clasp is a must, but follow the color path. Hands, indices, bezel numerals all need to be homogeous. What Tudor did on the 54 with the white bezel numerals was a misstep i feel.
Agreed, the white bezel numerals are not working for me at all.
I’m rocking my Tudor GMT Pepsi with jubilee bracelet and it’s the only Tudor I need brother. Cheers to another solid commentary and bonus guitar jam 👍🏻
Loved the guitar work 👍🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
My only hope for the revamped BB58 is that it has a T-fit clasp and that it is compatible with the current bracelet so I can get one for mine
Love the intro, you should make it a thing for all the videos 🙏🏻
Brilliant video. Love your guitar playing (I just started learning how to play acoustic guitar). My favorite features of my OG 58: the red triangle, the watch gives off strong 4 digit Sub vibes and it wears better on my 6.75" wrist than my Starbucks. I like all your renders. Tudor should put the T-Fit clasp on the steel 58s, offer a jubilee bracelet option and keep the red triangle. Cheers :)
Understandable why the look is streamlined but for me, red triangle and same gilt color through and through are the very reason why I will never consider bb54 or the newer 58. Thank you for the info!
Intro was 🔥🔥🔥
I like the current model as imperfect as it is, but at the same time I welcome all these changes because it'll make the original more unique and vintage as time moves on 🙂
Great musical intro!
If you take a look to literally all great watch brands, symmetry and proportions are crucial. That's why the leaked watch is probably not the real deal - at least in my humble opinion. It just doesn't look right.
Your video(s) on the other hand is (are) spectacular and boy, that are some great renders! I think the look and the proportions from the metas black bay are so underrated. When you put the watch on the wrist, it looks just right. The dial proportions are wonderful and i don't understand why the majority of the watch world doesn't speak about it.
I'm excited to see what Tudor shows to us this year! 👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻️
Love the intro❣️
Thanks for another great video. Tudor should just bring back the 1990 Tudor Submariner. They would not be able to make them quick enough.
Agree with glidelock oyster bracelet, yum!
Nice! Start more vids like this. 🙌🏼 👏🏼
Awesome guitar skills. Should be part of your intros moving forward!
Been waiting !!!!
The 58 update needs sharper teeth around the bezel for better grip, like the 54. I’m waiting for the updated blue which I think will be worth the wait as the bezel is very difficult to grip on the current model.
Sweet playing.
You rocked it on the guitar!
If Tudor is happy to not be the „blackbay only“ lable they have been the last years they should focus the chronograph and maybe (!) a proper dresswatch.
After that they can go back and spot the blackbay again.
I think the Ranger and Pelagos plus the small blackbay have been supermoves in collection- and brandmanagement because these models showed the world that Tudor is still more than „just“ the blackbay „one trick pony“.
Thanks for your high quality videos…always fun to watch👍
Nice Intro👍
Sounds good the gitar!! 👏🏻👏🏻
Agree on all except the black dial...matte for me is key. I decided against the Pelagos 39 due to the glitzy dial and bezel treatment.
Your fingers style is really good
The last Black Bay I liked was the steel bezel + date version. All the gilt makes them look dressier, softer somehow. I cannot wait to see your Pelagos predictions. I recently saw the P39 live for the first time. Interestingly it looks beefier than I expected, somehow it did not look 3mm smaller than the 42mm version. A blue or green version would be a sure thing for me.
Some great renders, love the green and blue with gilt accents. I’m hoping for big things at W&W from Tudor, so many possibilities within the Black Bay and Pelagos ranges, I want them to do them all this year and blow our socks off. Could you just do a whole hour long guitar set? I could sit and listen to your playing all afternoon.
I'd really find it hard to decide between the regular steel and the 5link bracelet. Nice video! You made me google the ref number😂
Managed to "beat the intro", nice job, great track and a fantastic album. Agree the BB58 update will include Metas certification and a T fit clasp (bet it won't be a retrofit option though). I like the BB54 bezel style and would be great if the lost the gilt on the hands and dial and replaced them with silver gilt, but that may be a bit close to their big brother. Alternatively they should just release your Forest Green version as the render looks great👍
The proportions seem out of place, doubt that this is real.
If they mess it up Tudor effectively destroys its highest in demand model.
Probably will just thin the case down to refine it but nothing much will change.
Your rendition of the green bezel and dial looks amazing, arguably better than a Hulk.
Agreed Chaz, the proportions feel way too "homage-ish" with the skinny bezel. But the silver text on the bezel, sort of an upscaled BB54? I'd hate to think that's all they'd do with it...
@@ID-Guypersonally i would like to see Tudor start attacking Cartier. Can you imagine a Blackbay tank with those snowflake hands in an art deco case? I think it would look rather pleasing and potentially displace the Santos and Tank range.
Im sure big brother Rolex would be more than happy to lend them the capital for new tooling and production.
Yet again, Rolex and Tudor have an archive of early 20th century designs they could pull from@@xchazz86 Some amazing things could be made... And I've just been looking at Panerai's for that reason (with those old Rolex cases) Ah, its inspired 🥃
Well played 👏
If it’s true I’m glad I got the current version a few months ago. Much prefer that design
The faux patina needs to be shown the door now. Allow watches to age with the owner, not poorly age it from new.
Very interesting stuff. I can’t wait to see the GMT predictions for Tudor if there are any.
Your renders of the green BB58 are intriguing and make me wonder if that is how the Hulk re-emerges? Perhaps a Diet Hulk or small hulk…. Wait… Lou Ferrigno 😅
Another great video..if I was in Tudor you would be employed ..without question ..head of design ..hired !
Would be incredible if the brand ever reached out with a chance to collaborate. And thank you Ashley, very humbling 😉
Bravo, bel video!!
Like the bigger dial of the leaked 58, lugs also look shorter. Would love to see a new 58 with an opaline dial and blue or green bezel.
No more gilt. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
I wish they released the new BB with the Pelagos 39 bracelet, looks much nicer and more in line with the Rolex oyster bracelet
Agreed, the rivets have lost their charm (but then their BB Diver collection is defined by them) so it's one of those catch-22's that I'm sure the brand battles with 😆
My 'original' BB58, bought four-and-a-half years ago, gets everything so right that I've sold my Rolex because the Tudor kicked it off my wrist. That's how good it is. Therefore, I'm not much bothered where they take it next, if indeed they do. Nice guitar playing btw.
Excellent plucking! 😉👍and I got the tune easily enough 👌 the BB range will continue to a hit for Tudor no matter what. The big question will remain around the future pricing of their collections. Everything seems to be going northward for no reason other than, because they can. If they’re sensible, they’ll be taking future business from Longines and Omega if they stay roughly where they are
Sounds like a terrible idea to drop off the gilt finish on the black version…
But hey, they know what they do and I already have it in my watchbox so wait&see !
My hope is for a bb 41 with gilt accents in the bezel with Metas certification and the 5 link variant t-clasp in place of faux rivet bracelet. And a bold red accent marker triangle in the bezel. Love the red letter touch you showed in the vid. And the new slimmer case as the burgundy. I love love the burgundy and its size fits my wrist better than the classic 58.
Pencil hands & I'm in . Hope your well my friend 🙏
She is a 27 Club Member, saw her open the Strat Pack gig … stunning voice .
Great renders and visuals …. So glad your a Tudor guy ;))
27 Club is quite a badge of honour considering who she joined (some of our favourites) and thank you boet! Tudor guy through and through 🥃
@@ID-Guy ;)
Great video, thanks.
I have tried all the new models, but I am really drawn to the blue 58. In person, the colour is much nicer than cameras show. For me it’s just about perfect, although I would prefer a better clasp. The links joining the clasp are not articulated so it effectively makes the clasp huge. The new, on the fly clasp would be great. As for the dial, less text and blue lume would round it off nicely. Cheers!
I have had a few Tudor watches and to date the BB58 blue dial is easily my favorite. The colour of the dial and bezel are perfection. 😊
Great video my bro!! Will you be going to W&W?
So good seeing you brother and thank you!! I'm kinda torn between W&W and Dubai Watch week (think the latter might be a bit more fun at the end of the year 😉) We need a call sometime soon! 🥃
Rolex and Tudor does something or doesn't do something because they don't have to do anything. Doesn't matter what they do or refuse to do, people will still queue up to buy whatever they choose to offer.
Patina *
Your musings are spot-on Rancher. They really don't have to do anything. Can you imagine that business model? Holding back on thousands of ideas and having them all prepared for release over the next 3 generations 😆🥃
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That blue and gold render 😮
Blue and Gold would be stellar... yet another render I should've played with more for this video (these are from about 6 months ago) But man... the BB58 is a goldmine 🥃
I love Tudor as a brand and i do want a Black Bay diver (58 preferably) but non of the variants REALLY speak to me. The possible new "leaked" version also doesnt do it for me (the dial looks to big).
But just a simple Black and silver version from your render ( 4:30 ) i would buy instantly! That looks SOO good...why isnt there this version already??
Also the green render ( 9:05 ) looks great, would be a buy as well!
Thanks!
Thank you so much Abby!
For me Black Bay looks great and don't have much to change that would make it better.
But my perfect Tudor could be Black Bay 41 with red gilt matte ceramic bezel.
Great taste man, matte ceramic would be such a great move for the BB collection 🥃
Great video, as always. I don't think that leaked image represents the new BB58. It just looks off...the proportions just aren't there, it looks like a completely different watch. But I do dig your renders, especially the gilt version with the thicker indices on the bezel and the red accents on the dial. That would definitely be a nice evolution of an already killer watch 👌
Big up for the intro 😊😅😊😂👍
I agree that Tudor deliberately makes watches slightly worse than the could be so they don’t directly compete with Rolex. It’s somewhat frustrating but I get it and it seems to be working for them.
I wonder how much today’s Tudor is targeting existing watch enthusiasts versus people new to luxury watches. The specs, materials, and design cues of their most-promoted models seem like they cater more towards a mainstream aesthetic. (Black Bay Ceramic, Pelagos 39, blue BB58, the less-gold BB54…)
I think they want Rolex to be the “you can’t have this” brand in a high street store, and Tudor supports this strategy as the cheeky brand that competes next to Omega in stores - reinforcing the perception that Rolex is above them all.
What a true renaissance man.
Tudor has a large variety of watches and comes out with new designs annually. My AD always has a full display case, and if you want a reference, not in-stock they can get it 6 months. If Tudor can meet demand, Rolex just doesn't want to.
That forest green with jubilee bracelet. Oh Man!!
I hope they don't get rid of the red triangle, but if they made the rest of the tweaks, I wouldn't be too upset. What I really hope is to see some additional versions of the 41mm METAS Black Bay diver - black and/or blue would be great. I do see a great opportunity for Tudor to come out with green variants in steel. Getting the shade of green right will be key. We know they can get blue right, so no worries there.
Great video, I hope Tudor watches this! I would love to see pencil hands
Beautiful music ❤️
I love them but god I miss a date window. Every time I wear my 58’s at some point in the day I look for the date that doesn’t exist.