I think it’s because most of what makes him interesting is left out of the movies and even the clone wars to an extent, which sucks because his story is so badass. I strongly believe some of his story should’ve been woven into the phantom menace, would’ve made that movie and dookus story much better.
At the surface level we see in the movies he's just a power-hungry politician who got into a game way over his head. Once you flush out the character in the books/comics/cartoons, you see who he really is, why it's arguable that HE could be the chosen one, and the depth & complexity of his character. It's a shame that his story isn't better known.
Absolutely. Part of it was Christopher Lee’s acting, part was The Maker’s greatest strength. Creating characters. Look how popular the prequel characters still are. Opposed to the already forgettable sequels. Just my opinion.
Well I think it depend alot of the media he is in sometime he bassicly my fav "bad guy" but in other media he doesn't shine as much. But I won't like I like those theorie about him being a double agent it explain the scene in episode 2 really well where he try to get Obi-Wan to his side.
I mean it makes sense because an Anakin became a sith he became an entirely different person but with dooko he only changed some aspects of his personality to fit his goals
The other interesting thing is that for him, rooting out the sith, as a single entity, the best way would be to be among them. He couldn't have succeed without help, and effectively he saw the Jedi as being corrupted, literally so corrupt that they didn't even recognize the sith Lord that recruited him. What I don't know is how the sith saw HIM. He was cast out as bait immediately, and yet he had enough of their confidence to recognize the most singular sith lord. He was both discarded and implicitly trusted.
@@sokarxanthus9454 but he wouldn't have Yoda died of natural cause 20 years after episode 3, and while dooku would have been very old at that point he still would have been around
Obi-Wan in the prequels is weird because in the books he became very much like Qui-Gon. Even leaving the Jedi Order once to save a planet (he succeeded, too) when he was a Padawan.
If Dooku hadn't joined the Sith, but rather started a secessionist movement without Sith influence, then I think he would have been in the right. The Republic wasn't working anymore and the Jedi Order had become inept.
He would have probably created a revolution instead of a secession if Sidious didn’t get him. And probably would have had a plan for wrenching control from the corporations dominating the movement.
Palpatine would have either found a way to manipulate Dooku or would have killed him. As powerful as Dooku was, Sidious could kill him in an instant if it suited him.
frame check: could Dooku have still started the secessionist movement w/o the backing and guidance of Palpatine/Sidious? While dooku was the public figure spearheading it, much of the politics that led up to it and chief participants was manipulated by Sidious personally. Case in point, the Separatists droid military came from The Techno Union and The Trade Federation, the latter of which was under Sidious' influence, and their antagonism against the republic entirely created by Sidious w/ the Naboo invasion. Similarly, note that while it was Dooku who ordered the assassination of Sifo-Dyas and claimed the Cloning Project, both events only occurred because he was tasked to do so by Sidious who had discovered the project. If Dooku was not apprenticed to Sidious at the time; then some other apprentice, if not Aidious himself would've assassinated sifo dyas and claimed the cloning project for the republic army.
Had Dooku done that I think he would of made enemies on both fronts so to speak. Being a Jedi got him nowhere, I think he made the best with the cards he been dealt. I think his mistake was with Obi-Wan being captured, after he revealed the Sith being embedded in the Senate, he should of somehow facilitated Obi's release somehow, I think that would of at least made Obi-Wan consider if there was any truth to Dooku's words. They did have a common bond (Jin) and if Dooku risked releasing Wan I think he could of made Obi-Wan an alley and you couldn't ask for one better.
The Jedis thoughts on no attachments was totally wrong. It was based on fear and fear leads you know where. I'm not saying Anakin was justified because he wasn't. However, you could see the Jedi order's rejection of him even when he was a boy of 10. It's understandable why he drifted, but again he went way over the line.
The only part of Dooku's story that doesn't seem to fit in with this video is his relationship with Savage Oppress and Ventress. His training of Savage was especially dark for someone who was just playing a role. I think it might be possible that Dooku intended to be a double agent or thought he still was one, but in reality he had succumbed to the dark side and was in denial about who he was.
I think it was just that either he saw Savage as a true Darksider and therefore his enemy or that he knew Sidious would be watching and had to be convincing.
Likely possible tho how does he train them? (it weird that the "aprentice" (Dooku) take train new sith in the frist place there was a rule of 2 so... IT is weird in my opinon may be he had an other goal in mind.)
@@charleouel9012 savage and ventress to my understandingz weren't so much apprentices as they were sith assassins. Assassins don't fall in line with the rule of two cause assassins aren't train to be sith. They have limited training in the darkside as they are used as tools and not meant to replace the master.
Later on some people started to question the Republic . Like in Revenge of the Sith Padme said to Anakin have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side ? also had some senators having a secret meetings about leaving the Republic while Palpatine sidious taking control of the senate. Later on some of those same senators later became the Rebel Alliance. Thanks to Count Dookus +positive influence towards his goals. They still actually did continue on after the Clonewars and during the Galatic Civil War and after that also. If it wasnt for Count Dooku maybe some others wouldnt have had seperate from the Republic in the clone wars in the first place. The CIS would have had likely won the Clone war if it wasnt for Palpatine Sidious.
obi-wan has so many great "what ifs". what if he went with Dooku in AOTC. what if he left the order to be with Satine. what if he was able to defeat maul before Qui-gon died.
Leaving the order to be with Satine is a very interesting "what if". It puts him outside the light v. dark conflict, where he can see things from a third perspective, with access to an independent organization with power. It potentially could throw the SW Universe into a completely unknown direction.
@@markuhler2664 Yeah exactly. I personally don’t think Obi Wan would’ve sat there and ignored things but equally that would be interesting to see how different he would’ve acted upon things.
@Dooku Express, Both of them were nearly treated the same by the Jedi Order, which was shown to be corrupt and distant from their ideals. Both men were idealistic but wanted to change the order for the better. Between Dooku and Vader, Dooku actually had a noble yet tangible goal. Vader was just blinded by hate and fear by Palpatine that led to more despair and problems. Out of all the Sith Lords, I like Dooku, and out of all the Jedi, I like Qui Gon more because both men were really moderate Jedi to moderate Sith. Both Dooku and Qui Gon were true to the fundamental ideas of Jedi, that the Order walked away from, for what is politically expedient.
Dooku was pretty much the most "right" person in pre-empire Star Wars. He was right about the republic being corrupt, he was right about the Jedi being short sighted and complacent, and he was right about how the force should be used. I know it'll never happen, but it'd be interesting to see a storyline where either Qui'gon survived and eventually listened to Dooku, or where Obi-wan actually listened to Dooku when he tried to tell him about Sidious.
Dookus death was one of the most sorrowful moments in star wars, imo.. he was such a great man, master of the lightsaber art and a good politican which only sought peace . So sad..
I never thought Count Dooku was evil either. In AOTC that scene with him and Kenobi made me think what's going on here, he's telling Kenobi the truth but Kenobi won't trust his feelings like he drilled into Luke's head. So finally after almost 20 years I find someone else who thinks the same thing I do about Dooku.
@@respectdawildo_danjones508 I read in Attack of the Clone and Revenge of the Sith novels, it was explained that Dooku was actually trying to recruit Kenobi.
Count Dooku is such a deep and interesting character, honestly. I was really saddened by his death and yes, he was a sort of villain, but he is much deeper than that. I wish Disney would explore his character more. I'd love to see a movie based on him.
You know, for all of the great stuff that the Clone Wars animated series did, I feel like this was one of the characters they didn't do a great service to. In the Clone Wars I feel like Dooku acts more like a traditional villain without the nuance you talk about here.
Dooku began with noble intentions and idealistic tendencies. But already within a few years from leaving the Order he falls to the dark side. It is true that Dookus fall differs from that of a great majority of darksiders, but it never the less corrupts him bit by bit untill we see him at the beginning of TCW, at which point he has already abandoned all pretense of a light side practitioner. Dooku truly believed that the SITH way is the only true way to achieve "justice" and stabillity in the galaxy. Dooku was lied to by Sidious, letting him believe that at the end of the war, he and his Master would raise a NEW Sith Order from the remnants of the Jedi Order. Furthermore, Dooku developed serious sociopathic and psychopatic tendencies since before 23 BBY. And for all his sermonising, he truly was corupted by the dark side to the point where he PERSONALY ordered mass murderes on helpless refugies travelling on a civilian ship with no weapons, facilitated slavery, sponsored sadistic scientists, used civilans as human shields and was directly responsible for some of the greatest attrocities comitted during the war. The Dooku you portrayed was utterly and completly gone by 23 BBY and probablly even sooner. What started as a honest quest for galactic prosperity, turned into a spiral of insatiable hunger for personal power and a undeniable drive for galactic domination. "The Jedi who fall, are the most dangerous of them all." - a old republic proverb
Honestly dooku isnt even a bad guy. He doesnt do what he does out of hate. Even as a sith he was still trying to destroy it. Hes no saint but hes not evil
In SWTOR there's a line the inquisitor can say to Ashara "There are as many sith ideologies as there are Sith." I also think Kreia's thoughts on Revan sacrificing himself to the darkside vs falling to the darkside applies to Dooku
Well put dude. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" always came to mind when thinking of Dooku and his seduction to the dark side. But I now realize, like you said, he never really was Sith except in name. He was a Grey Jedi.
Honestly I've always thought dooku was the 'cool guy sith' Pretty cool character and tbh it was a shame things never were going to work out his way lol, the star wars universe seems almost like an unsolvable problem, where one solution breeds more evil than good and morally correct answers are always the worst outcome, but dookus solution may have worked out of all lol. And everytime I hear about palpatine I'm just like "oh, so, he just perfectly orchestrated an entire galaxy war and put on layers and layers of deception over deception to hide the deception. H u h " Neato. But, even tho dooku is a really neat dude, general grievous has to be my fav character of all time. Mostly only legends grievous tho lol, and just because.
I think Dooku was realistic in the faults of both the jedi and the sith. He also knew that sidious was really bad and knew what he had to do in order to combat him/Sidious/sith!! He also knew how the jedi order was unwilling to listen to reason and thus knew they were blinded by they're own politics/biases towards those who questioned the council's authority!
Obi Wan was wrong when he said Qui Gon wouldn't have joined Dooku, he would have because Dooku was never a sith. Dooku went undercover. If he was really a sith why would he have told Obi Wan about Sidious in Ep 2, and look at his face when Palpatine tells Anakin to kill him. He wasn't looking at him that way because he was shocked that Palpatine said kill him because he knew what Palpatine was going to do. He had that look on his face because he knew Anakin would do it.
I always believed that Dooku wanted to betray Palpatine. I too remember the scene with Obi-Wan in Episode II. I think he really might have wanted to take the Palpatine down. However, remember the Sith always betray each other. It's the way of the Sith.This merits further examination.
Count Dooku was an amazing character, but unfortunadely for him he does not realize how evil he become until his bitter end, that´s why his shocked expression moments before his end not only for his master betrayal, because he understand everything his master planned and how he was twisted and used only to be replaced by someone much like him. Dooku in the clone wars was twisted further by the dark side to the point to planned genocides and ironically blinded by the dark side he tried to stop, to the point he just become another Sidious slave much like Vader was in return of the Jedi. Also Dooku expresses Sith eyes, not too much but he was a sith for many reasons after all, in the clone wars on his first duel with Anakin Dooku taunts Anakin with with killing Ahsoka, his eyes were red not brown as ussually are then he laughs, when he trained Savage Opress his eyes turned gold when he shock Savage with force lightings also when he was captured by Hondo Ohnaka Dooku was so pissed off that when he talk with Obi Wan and Anakin also captured by the pirates he taunts Anakin with eerie red eyes only to return to his normal brown eyes. you can search for that scenes and watch for yourself. But as you said he used the dark side and the Sith methods for a gain, not for personal reasons but the dark side is like a drug and Dooku just get more and more addicted, that´s why Sidious considers him as a proton torpedo, a weapon to use and discard, Dooku was too idealist for his own good and easily to manipulatebut also too dangerous in the long run because of said ideals.
he prob kept justifying it to himself, like -if I do this much more genoide, sidious will trust me even more, letting his guard down even more- I sometimes wonder if Anakin thought this way in becoming Vader. What if it wasn't purely about rage, or saving Padme? What if he realized in the moment that Sidious zapped Windu that Sidious had been throwing the fight to manipulate him? Then he realized he could never beat him, and took a Dooku path to become closer until ultiamtely you can toss him off a balcony.
@@begzog maybe not on his own but he was definitely pooling the right strings. Maybe if Dooku wasn't cut down he could of used Windu's abilities, Windu and his mastery of Vaapad is why he defeated Sidious when Yoda couldn't. Dooku having knowledge how the Sith operated would of known this.
@@marktorch9079 I could see him being a secret Vaapad user, yeah. Though I don't know if it would have worked. I'm pretty sure when he turned on Sidious it would've used better tactics than Windu tho
You could say he was another of the many victims of the Council. Being way ahead and far more idealistic then them, his advanced ways being met with typical Jedi Council complacency and dismissal. Just like Qui-Gon, Ahsoka and Anakin - and several more. Chased off or not accepted for the visionaries they were.
In swtor it lets you play as a light side sith and will actually change some story elements as well as companion motivations to accommodate. If you look at the sith code it isn't inherently evil, passion just means emotional investment rather then the Jedi's fear of attachments. So one doesn't have to use hate and rage but can use compassion and love as motivation to get the power needed for the freedom the sith code promises. I would argue that this is exactly what Dooku did making him a light side sith. I would argue that the light side sith is very much in line with the ideals that the Republic was built around with it's notions of freedom and defense of the weak in the old Republic era. Which is why it's such a pity that the Jedi's dogma pushed them to the Sith empire more then once.
Just imagine if Luke, while trying to establish his new jedi academy, stumbled upon the teachings of Jedi Master Dooku, and it ends up being Dooku's work after all, that helps shape the new jedi order. He'd get the last laugh over Sidious after all
I respectfully beg to differ, Dooku clearly enjoys humiliating and causing pain to Anakin when he's electrocuting him in the Clone Wars, he has no compunction about unleashing genocide either towards the end of his life. Dooku is the Star Wars Saruman. Desiring order and to fix what is wrong, but becoming impatient with the corruption and stagnation of those around him. Coupled with his envy of the few he deemed more powerful or wise than himself, seeking to surpass them this led him to embrace the Sith as a means to an end, feeling he could use evil means to achieve a good end. However, just like Saruman contending and working with Sauron, with Sidious he became corrupted himself, going further and further into the dark and to extremes until he became a Tyrant, cruel, cold and treacherous to all he once stood for. He started noble, but through a combination of pride, envy, isolation and frustration with the status quo he gradually fell so that after a decade of being Sidious apprentice, he's been warped and twisted to evil. It's only in his final moments he himself sees what he had become and how he had been used...and how Anakin will be used.
I disagree. Count dooku was more like a grey jedi or a je'daii. He only wanted to restore the jedi to there former glory and free them being the Senate's slaves. He also had to commit these terrible actions on anakin and the galaxy to please palpatine or he would suffer a fate worse than anakin or darth maul
@@zerovoidwalker7374 I don't think so. While it might have started that way to a degree(and in both Legends and DisCan it becomes clear he holds the Jedi in contempt) he's definitely a Sith Lord by the Clone Wars at the very least. Before this he murdered his best friend, his sister(in DisCan) and states in TCW that his goal is not the enslavement of the Jedi Order, but its extermination. He's been shown to openly hold Anakin in contempt in DisCan and to actively despise him in Legends. He's totalitarian in his goals and had no objections to slavery or oppressing those he saw as being inferior to him. He might have started with noble, if a bit cruel intentions, but by the end he was very much the embodiment of his Sith name, Tyranus. Dooku is one of my favorite characters but one must not be averse to looking at his complexities, good and bad. In his own mind he was doing what needed to be done, but the longer he was in the Dark Side the more he pushed that line further and further from where it started.
@@dartog4967 or that Lucas left him a largely blank slate and clearly didn't have it well thought out what to do or develop with him past the bare minimum for plot progression...
I absolutely love this video. Dooku is one of my favorite characters and I love that you analyze the sheer nuance of his character. I also believe Dooku was not inherently evil, and I also don't believe he was a true sith. He was just trying to do what he thought was right to bring peace to the galaxy. He was misguided, but so were the Jedi.
I love the Raid add! For once it got its due. Also, that bit about trying to get through a new book, but got bored and switched to and oldy-but-goodie had me in stitches! I'm subscribing over these Count Dooku videos; they've actually given me much more respect for the character. Much more.
Intresting in Battlefront II he even says "embrace your role in reshaping the galaxy" to clones whenever he fights them. He knows the clones will get rid of the old Jedi so he could come in and create the new jedi order.
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My thoughts? I agree with you. Also... I only didn't learn anything cuz he's literally my favorite character throughout the entire series lol Don't feel bad
I've had this debate since the first time I saw the movie and I absolutely agree. Dooku created that droid army as a hard counter to sidious's plan for the clones
Absolutely love Dooku in jedi lost. Probably my favorite star wars character now. Dooku:Jedi lost establishes dooku as literally everything Anakin Skywalker and Ben Solo are, WITHOUT the redemption. I find that incredibly tragic
Well, this makes Dooko's death the real tragedy in Star Wars. Had Anakin not killed Dooku, order 66 wouldve happened as normal, and Dooko would've killed Palps and redeemed the jedi and (hopefully) made them finally balanced in the force like the ancient Jed'aii
Great video! I agree with you, Dooku was way more complex of a character than many people give him credit for. He was not just tool, he was a mastermind, too. Too bad his plans didn't work out, A would have loved to see what he would have done with his version of a Jedi Order.
Dooku is easily one of the most interesting and underrated characters that should get more attention. He is just so interesting and his lightsaber duels are always the most entertaining to look at.
Dooku sounds like the guy that is actually right, has higher morals and wants to do what is right but everybody above him just ignores, frowns upon and dismisses for one reason or another or even no reason at all.
Eloquent manners, profoundly misguided ideals, and while internally conflicted, a resort to terrible violence in name of an evil separatist cause that he wrongly thought was necessary and that he could lead to something gentler. Also, a spiffy white beard. He’s the Robert E. Lee of Star Wars.
I would agree to disagree….”profoundly misguided ideals” were definitely to be found on the Republic’s side, and with that, the Jedi. Allowing slavers to terrorize entire planets just to look the other way, due to politicking and the corrupt nature of the Republic. Dooku stood up for his sister and the planet and to free them from the clutches of an evil leader. He left the Jedi Council to devote himself to establish a just rule. His endgame was to, with the help of Obi Wan, to reform the Council and their ridiculous teachings of denying love or attachment to their pupils. Dooku was the primary idealist, who played the long game, but stayed true to his beliefs until the end
Imagine for a moment that early in Revenge of the Sith, Dooku kills Palpatine after his "kidnapping". There's gotta be an interesting alternate storyline there.
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Dooku had a lot of regret in disowning Ventress as his apprentice. He highly disagreed with Sidious’s command to do it, and when he sent his hologram message to Ventress, he sounded VERY dead inside. Like you said, it was an evil act that he had to steel himself for and didn’t relish in.
Dooku had a lot of pride. Same as Anakin. Both separated themselves from the Jedi because they believed they knew better than an order that had existed for thousands of years. Yes, it had been corrupted by its association with politics (modern evengelicalism, anyone?) but its strength was always in its community more than anything else. That's the subtle subversive beauty of the existence of the council vs. the rule of two. Isolate yourself from community and you subject yourself to corruption. Qui Gon is a great example of someone who *stayed* in the system and continually worked to make it better despite how frustrated it made him, because he understood how, despite its flaws, the Jedi community also kept him accountable and helped him to keep his own pride in check.
Or he never lost the intention, but simply had no way out. Palpatine had such a web of contingency plans and assassination plots that Dooku died before he could find out how to break through it.
Attack of th clones gets a lot of unwarranted criticism for introducing dooku so late in the movie, as an adult rewatching it i think its really bondesque
Dooku, a powerful force user, a master swordsman only second to Yoda and Sidious (for those who say Anakin and Windu, I'd challenge that, if you read the novelization, he would've won against Skywalker and Kenobi had it not been for Sidious' intervention, as for Windu, it is implied that they are about equal), a political idealist who had the greater good at heart both as a Jedi and a Sith. The man who was not tempted by the dark side but tried to use it as a means to an end. My favourite character after Kenobi and a character that deserved more development.
Wait…then Dooku’s death makes sense. When Palpatine tells Anakyn to kill Dooku…look at Palpatine’s face as he turns to look at Dooku. It’s almost as if he knew Dooku was playing both sides. This also explains the look of shock when Dooku looks back at Palpatine.
I really loved the depth of his character. I just rewatched attack of the clones, and always wondered how much of a test of jedi arrogance and outreach for possible help his speech to Obi Wan was. Clone wars showed him as more dark
The in-universe explanation is that by the time of TCW and especially throughout it, he loses his grip on the dark side as it is known to consume you. Also, interestingly he rarely has Sith eyes in the show (though its not a good measure). Out of universe though, its a kids show and contains a lot of simple mustache-twirling villains. Still though I think if you read in-between the text of the Clone Wars theres a lot of hidden complexity there for Dooku and other characters.
Also Christopher Lee is one hell of an actor. I couldnt see anyone else portraying Dooku so well. He adds such an heir of piousness that comes through because he IS right and holds the HIGHEST truth/morality.
This was always a suspicion of mine about Dooku. Moreover, if you rewatch Ep 2 and 3, it makes Christopher Lee's portrayal even better, and makes so much more sense.
The thing that separates dooku from other star wars bad guys is that he truly believed, in his heart of hearts, that he was doing the right thing every step of the way
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Oh man it changes everything, wow this is so obvious now. It's amazing. So Jango was working for Count Dooku. So Jango is not actually bad guy. And it explains why boba is pretty cool dude. He wasn't mean or evil, just a simple man making his way in the galaxy.
Dooku's fall came because of one reason: he was destined to be cast aside. Like Maul before him, Dooku was just a valuable pawn until the time was right for Palpatine to manipulate Anakin into killing him and further his descent into the Dark Side. Furthermore, Palpatine exploited Dooku's idealism to manipulate him to joining him, more than likely fully aware of what Dooku was trying to do because Palaptine is a 180 IQ chess player. The only reason Palpatine didn't kill or at least punish him for it was because Dooku was too valuable to kill simply because Dooku was having funny ideas. I mean this is the guy who took time out of his job as the Senate to lay a beatdown on Maul and Savage simply because they were going around calling themselves Sith. One thing I'd like to point out about Dooku's characterization. In Legends, Dooku was a Humanocentrist who sought to see the Republic transformed into an Empire of Man. Now I wonder how much if any of Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs moved over to his Canon Counterpart.
Canon has never confirmed Dooku to be humanocentric. Usually the opposite since he's the only human on the Separatist council, all his apprentices were zabraak, and his Jedi hero was an Altiri
@@LoreStar I remember watching a video from another Star Wars Video talking about how Dooku originally thought about how the Clone Wars would end. It mentioned briefly about Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs. As for your case, I read somewhere that Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs came later in his life. How later I'm not 100% sure. Either way, it's an interesting thought about how much of it was transferred to Canon.
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People sleep on Dooku too much I always liked him as a character
I agree he always had a mysterious flare and was quite unique, one of my favorite characters from the prequels
I think it’s because most of what makes him interesting is left out of the movies and even the clone wars to an extent, which sucks because his story is so badass. I strongly believe some of his story should’ve been woven into the phantom menace, would’ve made that movie and dookus story much better.
At the surface level we see in the movies he's just a power-hungry politician who got into a game way over his head. Once you flush out the character in the books/comics/cartoons, you see who he really is, why it's arguable that HE could be the chosen one, and the depth & complexity of his character. It's a shame that his story isn't better known.
Absolutely. Part of it was Christopher Lee’s acting, part was The Maker’s greatest strength. Creating characters. Look how popular the prequel characters still are. Opposed to the already forgettable sequels. Just my opinion.
Well I think it depend alot of the media he is in sometime he bassicly my fav "bad guy" but in other media he doesn't shine as much. But I won't like I like those theorie about him being a double agent it explain the scene in episode 2 really well where he try to get Obi-Wan to his side.
I mean it makes sense because an Anakin became a sith he became an entirely different person but with dooko he only changed some aspects of his personality to fit his goals
That is an excellent point! I wish I could go back and include this sentence in the video
The other interesting thing is that for him, rooting out the sith, as a single entity, the best way would be to be among them. He couldn't have succeed without help, and effectively he saw the Jedi as being corrupted, literally so corrupt that they didn't even recognize the sith Lord that recruited him.
What I don't know is how the sith saw HIM. He was cast out as bait immediately, and yet he had enough of their confidence to recognize the most singular sith lord. He was both discarded and implicitly trusted.
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If Dooku wouldn’t have fallen he probably would have become the Grandmaster after Yoda and started to reform the council
I don't think so. He whas a hiuman and Yoda whas an alien from speaces who live by hungreds of years. Yoda could outlived Dooku five times.
@@sokarxanthus9454 but he wouldn't have
Yoda died of natural cause 20 years after episode 3, and while dooku would have been very old at that point he still would have been around
Remember he was a vampire in other film. Tarkin to
@@raychii7361 LMAO
Nah, Yoda never would have let a nay sayer get that much power. On the other hand, the other masters might have been more willing to listen to him.
I really love Obi-Wan as a character, but damn did he not go by his master teachings at all
He is a bold one after all
Obi-Wan in the prequels is weird because in the books he became very much like Qui-Gon. Even leaving the Jedi Order once to save a planet (he succeeded, too) when he was a Padawan.
@@midgetydeath Oh but he wasn't because if he was he would have kept ani from the dark side
@@lolozeeee That's nonsense.
@@justchilling704 ur nonsense
If Dooku hadn't joined the Sith, but rather started a secessionist movement without Sith influence, then I think he would have been in the right. The Republic wasn't working anymore and the Jedi Order had become inept.
He would have probably created a revolution instead of a secession if Sidious didn’t get him. And probably would have had a plan for wrenching control from the corporations dominating the movement.
Palpatine would have either found a way to manipulate Dooku or would have killed him. As powerful as Dooku was, Sidious could kill him in an instant if it suited him.
frame check: could Dooku have still started the secessionist movement w/o the backing and guidance of Palpatine/Sidious? While dooku was the public figure spearheading it, much of the politics that led up to it and chief participants was manipulated by Sidious personally. Case in point, the Separatists droid military came from The Techno Union and The Trade Federation, the latter of which was under Sidious' influence, and their antagonism against the republic entirely created by Sidious w/ the Naboo invasion. Similarly, note that while it was Dooku who ordered the assassination of Sifo-Dyas and claimed the Cloning Project, both events only occurred because he was tasked to do so by Sidious who had discovered the project. If Dooku was not apprenticed to Sidious at the time; then some other apprentice, if not Aidious himself would've assassinated sifo dyas and claimed the cloning project for the republic army.
Had Dooku done that I think he would of made enemies on both fronts so to speak. Being a Jedi got him nowhere, I think he made the best with the cards he been dealt. I think his mistake was with Obi-Wan being captured, after he revealed the Sith being embedded in the Senate, he should of somehow facilitated Obi's release somehow, I think that would of at least made Obi-Wan consider if there was any truth to Dooku's words. They did have a common bond (Jin) and if Dooku risked releasing Wan I think he could of made Obi-Wan an alley and you couldn't ask for one better.
The Jedis thoughts on no attachments was totally wrong. It was based on fear and fear leads you know where. I'm not saying Anakin was justified because he wasn't. However, you could see the Jedi order's rejection of him even when he was a boy of 10. It's understandable why he drifted, but again he went way over the line.
The only part of Dooku's story that doesn't seem to fit in with this video is his relationship with Savage Oppress and Ventress. His training of Savage was especially dark for someone who was just playing a role. I think it might be possible that Dooku intended to be a double agent or thought he still was one, but in reality he had succumbed to the dark side and was in denial about who he was.
I think you may be on point there. I think it's likely that Dooku, like many undercover agents, lost sight of who he was.
I think it was just that either he saw Savage as a true Darksider and therefore his enemy or that he knew Sidious would be watching and had to be convincing.
@@LoreStar Also, dooku has Sith eyes when he fights Anakin on Tatooine (his first mission with Ashoka)
Likely possible tho how does he train them? (it weird that the "aprentice" (Dooku) take train new sith in the frist place there was a rule of 2 so... IT is weird in my opinon may be he had an other goal in mind.)
@@charleouel9012 savage and ventress to my understandingz weren't so much apprentices as they were sith assassins. Assassins don't fall in line with the rule of two cause assassins aren't train to be sith. They have limited training in the darkside as they are used as tools and not meant to replace the master.
"You vs. the Sith she tells you not to worry about"
Dooku is actually the true hero of the prequel era. Sadly no one could see it......
Later on some people started to question the Republic . Like in Revenge of the Sith Padme said to Anakin have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side ? also had some senators having a secret meetings about leaving the Republic while Palpatine sidious taking control of the senate. Later on some of those same senators later became the Rebel Alliance. Thanks to Count Dookus +positive influence towards his goals. They still actually did continue on after the Clonewars and during the Galatic Civil War and after that also. If it wasnt for Count Dooku maybe some others wouldnt have had seperate from the Republic in the clone wars in the first place. The CIS would have had likely won the Clone war if it wasnt for Palpatine Sidious.
What if Dooku’s plan succeeded? Now we need a Star Wars What If? series even more.
I've never done a what if vid, but this might be worth doing!
@@LoreStar Please!
@@LoreStar do it do it do it
@@LoreStar dew it
I saw a video that suggested that the Disney trilogy was a what if Ashoka had died time line.
obi-wan has so many great "what ifs". what if he went with Dooku in AOTC. what if he left the order to be with Satine. what if he was able to defeat maul before Qui-gon died.
I've never done a what if vid, but I'm tempted
Leaving the order to be with Satine is a very interesting "what if". It puts him outside the light v. dark conflict, where he can see things from a third perspective, with access to an independent organization with power. It potentially could throw the SW Universe into a completely unknown direction.
Disney is making a what if series for marvel, star wars next?
@@markuhler2664 exactly what i was thinking
@@markuhler2664 Yeah exactly. I personally don’t think Obi Wan would’ve sat there and ignored things but equally that would be interesting to see how different he would’ve acted upon things.
Dooku and Qui gon are alike in a lot of ways just one was more darker and the other more lighter
@Dooku Express, Both of them were nearly treated the same by the Jedi Order, which was shown to be corrupt and distant from their ideals. Both men were idealistic but wanted to change the order for the better. Between Dooku and Vader, Dooku actually had a noble yet tangible goal. Vader was just blinded by hate and fear by Palpatine that led to more despair and problems. Out of all the Sith Lords, I like Dooku, and out of all the Jedi, I like Qui Gon more because both men were really moderate Jedi to moderate Sith. Both Dooku and Qui Gon were true to the fundamental ideas of Jedi, that the Order walked away from, for what is politically expedient.
Dooku was pretty much the most "right" person in pre-empire Star Wars. He was right about the republic being corrupt, he was right about the Jedi being short sighted and complacent, and he was right about how the force should be used. I know it'll never happen, but it'd be interesting to see a storyline where either Qui'gon survived and eventually listened to Dooku, or where Obi-wan actually listened to Dooku when he tried to tell him about Sidious.
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I love how you say self proclaimed I just love your enthusiasm there is so much emotion in it
My spirit has officially been broken, I gave in and downloaded it after watching hundreds of people advertise it and to be honest, it's okay so far
Dookus death was one of the most sorrowful moments in star wars, imo.. he was such a great man, master of the lightsaber art and a good politican which only sought peace . So sad..
He was killed too soon.
Just like in This World
I never thought Count Dooku was evil either. In AOTC that scene with him and Kenobi made me think what's going on here, he's telling Kenobi the truth but Kenobi won't trust his feelings like he drilled into Luke's head. So finally after almost 20 years I find someone else who thinks the same thing I do about Dooku.
To be fair, for all the Jedi knew, Darth Sidious could’ve been an outside party, a secret separatist leader that had swayed some people or something
Yeah when I saw that I interpreted it as he was being sincere when bargaining with Obi Won
@@respectdawildo_danjones508 I read in Attack of the Clone and Revenge of the Sith novels, it was explained that Dooku was actually trying to recruit Kenobi.
The way he does the raid ads, feels like he s self-conscious about how stupid the game is
He's breaking the fourth wall
He's not like other sith because he has a *signature look of superiority*
Count Dooku is such a deep and interesting character, honestly. I was really saddened by his death and yes, he was a sort of villain, but he is much deeper than that. I wish Disney would explore his character more. I'd love to see a movie based on him.
Dooku: a Star Wars story.
"I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis all those years ago, Kenobi. You should have joined me."
Dang I guess he kinda was trying to show obi wan that he was a double agent
You know, for all of the great stuff that the Clone Wars animated series did, I feel like this was one of the characters they didn't do a great service to. In the Clone Wars I feel like Dooku acts more like a traditional villain without the nuance you talk about here.
he prob realized sidious had doubts about him after AOTC hint-dropping to Anakin and doubled down on his role
Dooku began with noble intentions and idealistic tendencies. But already within a few years from leaving the Order he falls to the dark side. It is true that Dookus fall differs from that of a great majority of darksiders, but it never the less corrupts him bit by bit untill we see him at the beginning of TCW, at which point he has already abandoned all pretense of a light side practitioner.
Dooku truly believed that the SITH way is the only true way to achieve "justice" and stabillity in the galaxy. Dooku was lied to by Sidious, letting him believe that at the end of the war, he and his Master would raise a NEW Sith Order from the remnants of the Jedi Order.
Furthermore, Dooku developed serious sociopathic and psychopatic tendencies since before 23 BBY. And for all his sermonising, he truly was corupted by the dark side to the point where he PERSONALY ordered mass murderes on helpless refugies travelling on a civilian ship with no weapons, facilitated slavery, sponsored sadistic scientists, used civilans as human shields and was directly responsible for some of the greatest attrocities comitted during the war.
The Dooku you portrayed was utterly and completly gone by 23 BBY and probablly even sooner.
What started as a honest quest for galactic prosperity, turned into a spiral of insatiable hunger for personal power and a undeniable drive for galactic domination.
"The Jedi who fall, are the most dangerous of them all."
- a old republic proverb
Honestly dooku isnt even a bad guy. He doesnt do what he does out of hate. Even as a sith he was still trying to destroy it. Hes no saint but hes not evil
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awful evil?
@@kjwillis8618 perhaps a necessary one
I wanna see a what if dooku didn't die in ROTS, reformed the jedi after order 66.
Him looking at obi won
I warned you about this
In SWTOR there's a line the inquisitor can say to Ashara "There are as many sith ideologies as there are Sith." I also think Kreia's thoughts on Revan sacrificing himself to the darkside vs falling to the darkside applies to Dooku
Well put dude. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" always came to mind when thinking of Dooku and his seduction to the dark side. But I now realize, like you said, he never really was Sith except in name. He was a Grey Jedi.
Honestly I've always thought dooku was the 'cool guy sith'
Pretty cool character and tbh it was a shame things never were going to work out his way lol, the star wars universe seems almost like an unsolvable problem, where one solution breeds more evil than good and morally correct answers are always the worst outcome, but dookus solution may have worked out of all lol.
And everytime I hear about palpatine I'm just like
"oh, so, he just perfectly orchestrated an entire galaxy war and put on layers and layers of deception over deception to hide the deception.
H u h "
Neato.
But, even tho dooku is a really neat dude, general grievous has to be my fav character of all time. Mostly only legends grievous tho lol, and just because.
I think I would say, that Dooku was either a Dark Jedi or a Light Sith.
Dooku is Darth Gravid 2.0? Nice
@@karlobrien5530 No, Dooku was actually competent.
I think Dooku was realistic in the faults of both the jedi and the sith. He also knew that sidious was really bad and knew what he had to do in order to combat him/Sidious/sith!! He also knew how the jedi order was unwilling to listen to reason and thus knew they were blinded by they're own politics/biases towards those who questioned the council's authority!
Obi Wan was wrong when he said Qui Gon wouldn't have joined Dooku, he would have because Dooku was never a sith. Dooku went undercover.
If he was really a sith why would he have told Obi Wan about Sidious in Ep 2, and look at his face when Palpatine tells Anakin to kill him.
He wasn't looking at him that way because he was shocked that Palpatine said kill him because he knew what Palpatine was going to do. He had that look on his face because he knew Anakin would do it.
I always believed that Dooku wanted to betray Palpatine. I too remember the scene with Obi-Wan in Episode II. I think he really might have wanted to take the Palpatine down. However, remember the Sith always betray each other. It's the way of the Sith.This merits further examination.
Count Dooku was an amazing character, but unfortunadely for him he does not realize how evil he become until his bitter end, that´s why his shocked expression moments before his end not only for his master betrayal, because he understand everything his master planned and how he was twisted and used only to be replaced by someone much like him.
Dooku in the clone wars was twisted further by the dark side to the point to planned genocides and ironically blinded by the dark side he tried to stop, to the point he just become another Sidious slave much like Vader was in return of the Jedi.
Also Dooku expresses Sith eyes, not too much but he was a sith for many reasons after all, in the clone wars on his first duel with Anakin Dooku taunts Anakin with with killing Ahsoka, his eyes were red not brown as ussually are then he laughs, when he trained Savage Opress his eyes turned gold when he shock Savage with force lightings also when he was captured by Hondo Ohnaka Dooku was so pissed off that when he talk with Obi Wan and Anakin also captured by the pirates he taunts Anakin with eerie red eyes only to return to his normal brown eyes. you can search for that scenes and watch for yourself.
But as you said he used the dark side and the Sith methods for a gain, not for personal reasons but the dark side is like a drug and Dooku just get more and more addicted, that´s why Sidious considers him as a proton torpedo, a weapon to use and discard, Dooku was too idealist for his own good and easily to manipulatebut also too dangerous in the long run because of said ideals.
he prob kept justifying it to himself, like -if I do this much more genoide, sidious will trust me even more, letting his guard down even more-
I sometimes wonder if Anakin thought this way in becoming Vader.
What if it wasn't purely about rage, or saving Padme?
What if he realized in the moment that Sidious zapped Windu that Sidious had been throwing the fight to manipulate him?
Then he realized he could never beat him, and took a Dooku path to become closer until ultiamtely you can toss him off a balcony.
So he nearly defeated the sith using their own tactics?! and we completely missed it!?! Unreal!!
No way he would have defeat the sith plan, he was too wreckage to defeat Sidious with any help and to weak to kill him himself
@@begzog maybe not on his own but he was definitely pooling the right strings. Maybe if Dooku wasn't cut down he could of used Windu's abilities, Windu and his mastery of Vaapad is why he defeated Sidious when Yoda couldn't. Dooku having knowledge how the Sith operated would of known this.
@@marktorch9079 I could see him being a secret Vaapad user, yeah. Though I don't know if it would have worked. I'm pretty sure when he turned on Sidious it would've used better tactics than Windu tho
You could say he was another of the many victims of the Council. Being way ahead and far more idealistic then them, his advanced ways being met with typical Jedi Council complacency and dismissal. Just like Qui-Gon, Ahsoka and Anakin - and several more. Chased off or not accepted for the visionaries they were.
In swtor it lets you play as a light side sith and will actually change some story elements as well as companion motivations to accommodate. If you look at the sith code it isn't inherently evil, passion just means emotional investment rather then the Jedi's fear of attachments. So one doesn't have to use hate and rage but can use compassion and love as motivation to get the power needed for the freedom the sith code promises. I would argue that this is exactly what Dooku did making him a light side sith.
I would argue that the light side sith is very much in line with the ideals that the Republic was built around with it's notions of freedom and defense of the weak in the old Republic era. Which is why it's such a pity that the Jedi's dogma pushed them to the Sith empire more then once.
I always thought there was a look of regret on Dooku's face after he beat Obi-wan and Anakin.
Just imagine if Luke, while trying to establish his new jedi academy, stumbled upon the teachings of Jedi Master Dooku, and it ends up being Dooku's work after all, that helps shape the new jedi order. He'd get the last laugh over Sidious after all
I always feel bad for Dooku, knowing that he always was a good guy, but no one saw that on him
Yes I thought about that too. He didn’t have sith eyes
If I'm correct Dooku did have sith eyes but it wasn't constant like most other sith
Nope, Dooku never actually had sith eyes.
@@LoreStar There was a flash of it when he fought Anakin in Clone Wars.
@@LoreStar he did when training Savage Opress.
Senator Palpatine didn't have Sith eyes either...
I think we all miss Sir Christopher Lee! RIP dear soul!
I respectfully beg to differ, Dooku clearly enjoys humiliating and causing pain to Anakin when he's electrocuting him in the Clone Wars, he has no compunction about unleashing genocide either towards the end of his life. Dooku is the Star Wars Saruman. Desiring order and to fix what is wrong, but becoming impatient with the corruption and stagnation of those around him. Coupled with his envy of the few he deemed more powerful or wise than himself, seeking to surpass them this led him to embrace the Sith as a means to an end, feeling he could use evil means to achieve a good end. However, just like Saruman contending and working with Sauron, with Sidious he became corrupted himself, going further and further into the dark and to extremes until he became a Tyrant, cruel, cold and treacherous to all he once stood for. He started noble, but through a combination of pride, envy, isolation and frustration with the status quo he gradually fell so that after a decade of being Sidious apprentice, he's been warped and twisted to evil. It's only in his final moments he himself sees what he had become and how he had been used...and how Anakin will be used.
I disagree. Count dooku was more like a grey jedi or a je'daii. He only wanted to restore the jedi to there former glory and free them being the Senate's slaves. He also had to commit these terrible actions on anakin and the galaxy to please palpatine or he would suffer a fate worse than anakin or darth maul
@@zerovoidwalker7374 I don't think so. While it might have started that way to a degree(and in both Legends and DisCan it becomes clear he holds the Jedi in contempt) he's definitely a Sith Lord by the Clone Wars at the very least. Before this he murdered his best friend, his sister(in DisCan) and states in TCW that his goal is not the enslavement of the Jedi Order, but its extermination. He's been shown to openly hold Anakin in contempt in DisCan and to actively despise him in Legends. He's totalitarian in his goals and had no objections to slavery or oppressing those he saw as being inferior to him. He might have started with noble, if a bit cruel intentions, but by the end he was very much the embodiment of his Sith name, Tyranus. Dooku is one of my favorite characters but one must not be averse to looking at his complexities, good and bad. In his own mind he was doing what needed to be done, but the longer he was in the Dark Side the more he pushed that line further and further from where it started.
The problem is that he is a character used by multiple writers with differents views on him. . .
@@dartog4967 or that Lucas left him a largely blank slate and clearly didn't have it well thought out what to do or develop with him past the bare minimum for plot progression...
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 also
I absolutely love this video. Dooku is one of my favorite characters and I love that you analyze the sheer nuance of his character. I also believe Dooku was not inherently evil, and I also don't believe he was a true sith. He was just trying to do what he thought was right to bring peace to the galaxy. He was misguided, but so were the Jedi.
Dooku was so badass that he was able to mock and deceive the pure dark side, pity that anakin wasn't and killed him afterwards
Dooku definitely deserved more. Especially in the films.
This is truly an eye opener and has made me grow to like the character even more
I love the Raid add! For once it got its due. Also, that bit about trying to get through a new book, but got bored and switched to and oldy-but-goodie had me in stitches! I'm subscribing over these Count Dooku videos; they've actually given me much more respect for the character. Much more.
Dooku had sith eyes in the clone wars movie, fights with anakin, and in the dark disciple novel.
Intresting in Battlefront II he even says "embrace your role in reshaping the galaxy" to clones whenever he fights them. He knows the clones will get rid of the old Jedi so he could come in and create the new jedi order.
This video gets a thumbs up for the quality of the Raid Shadow Legends add-commentary alone. Oh also Dooku is quite the complex and interesting character to.. .this video is a win-win.
Thank you my friend! I worked really hard on this one, and I wanted to make sure the ad wasn't just another boring Raid ad, since those are white noise at this point.
My thoughts?
I agree with you.
Also... I only didn't learn anything cuz he's literally my favorite character throughout the entire series lol
Don't feel bad
Fair enough!
Wow, I have never cared for Dooku, until now. Great work!
That deleted Jocasta Nu scene hit me hard
If only Obi-Wan had considered what Dooku told him. It's suprising that he of all people didn't at least think about it being possible.
I've had this debate since the first time I saw the movie and I absolutely agree. Dooku created that droid army as a hard counter to sidious's plan for the clones
Absolutely love Dooku in jedi lost. Probably my favorite star wars character now.
Dooku:Jedi lost establishes dooku as literally everything Anakin Skywalker and Ben Solo are, WITHOUT the redemption.
I find that incredibly tragic
Dooku was a lot like a grey jedi honestly and I love it
Even Sidious calls Dooku a puppet and tool to be used unlike Maul and Vader.
Well, this makes Dooko's death the real tragedy in Star Wars. Had Anakin not killed Dooku, order 66 wouldve happened as normal, and Dooko would've killed Palps and redeemed the jedi and (hopefully) made them finally balanced in the force like the ancient Jed'aii
That may have been why Sidious wanted him dead
Great video! I agree with you, Dooku was way more complex of a character than many people give him credit for. He was not just tool, he was a mastermind, too. Too bad his plans didn't work out, A would have loved to see what he would have done with his version of a Jedi Order.
Dooku is easily one of the most interesting and underrated characters that should get more attention. He is just so interesting and his lightsaber duels are always the most entertaining to look at.
Dooku's story reminds me of Revan. He wasn't seduced by the darkside but voluntary embraced it out of necessity.
Dooku sounds like the guy that is actually right, has higher morals and wants to do what is right but everybody above him just ignores, frowns upon and dismisses for one reason or another or even no reason at all.
Eloquent manners, profoundly misguided ideals, and while internally conflicted, a resort to terrible violence in name of an evil separatist cause that he wrongly thought was necessary and that he could lead to something gentler. Also, a spiffy white beard. He’s the Robert E. Lee of Star Wars.
I would agree to disagree….”profoundly misguided ideals” were definitely to be found on the Republic’s side, and with that, the Jedi. Allowing slavers to terrorize entire planets just to look the other way, due to politicking and the corrupt nature of the Republic.
Dooku stood up for his sister and the planet and to free them from the clutches of an evil leader. He left the Jedi Council to devote himself to establish a just rule. His endgame was to, with the help of Obi Wan, to reform the Council and their ridiculous teachings of denying love or attachment to their pupils. Dooku was the primary idealist, who played the long game, but stayed true to his beliefs until the end
Dooku is pretty much a man who does what he has to.
The revenge of the sith novelization also gave some interesting insights into his goals. He's really such a slept on antagonist in Star wars.
Imagine for a moment that early in Revenge of the Sith, Dooku kills Palpatine after his "kidnapping". There's gotta be an interesting alternate storyline there.
Honestly I could see this. I agree 100% with your theory. A 'gray Sith' if you will
General Grevious saw Count Dooku as a Hero and he also respected Count Dooku.
I came across your videos a couple of weeks ago, and I have to say that you're one of the most thoughtful, engaging and interesting Star Wars TH-camrs I've ever listened to. Thanks for all you do :)
Thank you, my friend! You have no idea how much that means to me!
Dooku had a lot of regret in disowning Ventress as his apprentice.
He highly disagreed with Sidious’s command to do it, and when he sent his hologram message to Ventress, he sounded VERY dead inside. Like you said, it was an evil act that he had to steel himself for and didn’t relish in.
Last time i was this early, it was Dash Star
He wasn't a sith... he was a dark Jedi, not doing evil for evil sake, he was being the dark to protect the light. Good grief.
Dooku was actually just a massive Revan Stan
Dooku had a lot of pride. Same as Anakin. Both separated themselves from the Jedi because they believed they knew better than an order that had existed for thousands of years. Yes, it had been corrupted by its association with politics (modern evengelicalism, anyone?) but its strength was always in its community more than anything else. That's the subtle subversive beauty of the existence of the council vs. the rule of two. Isolate yourself from community and you subject yourself to corruption. Qui Gon is a great example of someone who *stayed* in the system and continually worked to make it better despite how frustrated it made him, because he understood how, despite its flaws, the Jedi community also kept him accountable and helped him to keep his own pride in check.
I feel like he joined Palpatine with idealistic intentions, but everything just snowballed until he reached the point of no return.
Or he never lost the intention, but simply had no way out. Palpatine had such a web of contingency plans and assassination plots that Dooku died before he could find out how to break through it.
Attack of th clones gets a lot of unwarranted criticism for introducing dooku so late in the movie, as an adult rewatching it i think its really bondesque
Ahh, that kotor background music slaps.
makes me wanna replay it
I don't know what slaps means but I do like it lol
I think it’s fair to say Dooku is the most complex character in Star Wars
I didn't know his back story, thank you. I always thought he wasn't evil based on his interaction with Obi wan.
Dooku, a powerful force user, a master swordsman only second to Yoda and Sidious (for those who say Anakin and Windu, I'd challenge that, if you read the novelization, he would've won against Skywalker and Kenobi had it not been for Sidious' intervention, as for Windu, it is implied that they are about equal), a political idealist who had the greater good at heart both as a Jedi and a Sith. The man who was not tempted by the dark side but tried to use it as a means to an end. My favourite character after Kenobi and a character that deserved more development.
Wait…then Dooku’s death makes sense. When Palpatine tells Anakyn to kill Dooku…look at Palpatine’s face as he turns to look at Dooku. It’s almost as if he knew Dooku was playing both sides. This also explains the look of shock when Dooku looks back at Palpatine.
That was the first Raid Shadow Legends advertisement, that made me want to play the game. Lol
Dooku was almost like a martyr in a way...
I really loved the depth of his character. I just rewatched attack of the clones, and always wondered how much of a test of jedi arrogance and outreach for possible help his speech to Obi Wan was. Clone wars showed him as more dark
I think the Clone Wars tv show turned Dooku into the generic evil villain. In the films, he is very nuanced as described in this video.
Yes it is a shame
The in-universe explanation is that by the time of TCW and especially throughout it, he loses his grip on the dark side as it is known to consume you. Also, interestingly he rarely has Sith eyes in the show (though its not a good measure).
Out of universe though, its a kids show and contains a lot of simple mustache-twirling villains. Still though I think if you read in-between the text of the Clone Wars theres a lot of hidden complexity there for Dooku and other characters.
Also Christopher Lee is one hell of an actor. I couldnt see anyone else portraying Dooku so well. He adds such an heir of piousness that comes through because he IS right and holds the HIGHEST truth/morality.
Christopher Lee could play God and the Devil in the same movie and both portrayals would be believable.
This was always a suspicion of mine about Dooku. Moreover, if you rewatch Ep 2 and 3, it makes Christopher Lee's portrayal even better, and makes so much more sense.
The thing that separates dooku from other star wars bad guys is that he truly believed, in his heart of hearts, that he was doing the right thing every step of the way
I had you as background noise, but when you said that some ceo doesn't play your sponsor's game you really captured my atention and made me laugh!!! Nice!
Palpatine found out that Duke was going to betray him and that's why he told Anakin " he was too dangerous to be kept alive"
I think Sidius saw through it all, and set him up to be killed off by Anakin
This was very enjoyable, Dooku is an under rated character. Would love to see a series about this and the hypocrisy of the jedi
It is funny just how much Dooku and Revan have in common. Had Revan lived in the prequel era, he would have been the perfect Master for Dooku.
Oh man it changes everything, wow this is so obvious now. It's amazing. So Jango was working for Count Dooku. So Jango is not actually bad guy. And it explains why boba is pretty cool dude. He wasn't mean or evil, just a simple man making his way in the galaxy.
It also explains how disturbed dooku looks at jangos beheading
Dooku has yellow sith eyes when he goes to kill Sifo Dias in the clone wars. Watch the moment he understands Sifo is alive.
May the Force Be With You! 🙌
Dooku is the unsung hero, the one the Republic needed but didn't deserve.
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Dooku's fall came because of one reason: he was destined to be cast aside. Like Maul before him, Dooku was just a valuable pawn until the time was right for Palpatine to manipulate Anakin into killing him and further his descent into the Dark Side. Furthermore, Palpatine exploited Dooku's idealism to manipulate him to joining him, more than likely fully aware of what Dooku was trying to do because Palaptine is a 180 IQ chess player. The only reason Palpatine didn't kill or at least punish him for it was because Dooku was too valuable to kill simply because Dooku was having funny ideas. I mean this is the guy who took time out of his job as the Senate to lay a beatdown on Maul and Savage simply because they were going around calling themselves Sith.
One thing I'd like to point out about Dooku's characterization. In Legends, Dooku was a Humanocentrist who sought to see the Republic transformed into an Empire of Man. Now I wonder how much if any of Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs moved over to his Canon Counterpart.
Canon has never confirmed Dooku to be humanocentric. Usually the opposite since he's the only human on the Separatist council, all his apprentices were zabraak, and his Jedi hero was an Altiri
@@LoreStar I remember watching a video from another Star Wars Video talking about how Dooku originally thought about how the Clone Wars would end. It mentioned briefly about Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs. As for your case, I read somewhere that Dooku's Humanocentric beliefs came later in his life. How later I'm not 100% sure. Either way, it's an interesting thought about how much of it was transferred to Canon.
Agreed! There's nothing in canon to confirm his xenophobia, but that doesn't mean it was certainly retconned.
@@LoreStar I still need to get a copy of Dooku Jedi Lost. Sounds like a very good read.