Tests like these are subject to so many variables but at least gives one some sort of baseline to see the performance differences. A bunch of work went into producing this video and you are to commended for your effort!
Absolutely correct, so many variables, this was four separate flights but I know the line well and get the timing pretty close. However, this was just meant to be a real world comparison to discover any major performance differences, which I didn’t really see anything alarming. Thanks for noticing the work I put into the video, most videos I produce have around 40hrs of production time in them which is why I only post like once a month. Haha! I’ll do more follow up tests soon, and think the range flights will really show any major performance variations if they exist. Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned. Cheers!
You should conformal coat all your drones. I do all of mine even living in Arizona USA. I took apart my Walksnail VTX and did that as well. to be honest it was a bit of a pain with the heatsinks. It has saved quite a few of my drones falling in wet grass or small puddles. i even had a drone stuck in a tree for a few weeks and a few rainstorms and worked fine after i got it out.
You know I also conformal coat all my builds, I “slapped this build together quickly” so I could do some quick tests and skipped the conformal coating… When I first started this I lost a number of FC, VTXs and ESCs to wet grass, mud, and even dust… since then I’ve been using conformal coat and have had no problems. Oh well, the replacement should arrive this week and I’ll do a proper build this time. Thanks for watching and for the comment, stay tuned, cheers!
Oh that ain’t nothing… check out my antenna in this video! th-cam.com/video/gxSfD6PH1P0/w-d-xo.html ^ This video was one of my favorite tests! Thanks for watching and commenting, cheers!
Thanks for posting these tests, *especially* in those conditions. A lot to digest, and I commend your effort. I would invest in a weather proofing kit - Kotking or Worry Free are supposed to be the best.
Thanks, appreciate the comment and support. I cramped a lot of info in here, maybe too much, just trying to be detailed but also conscious of people’s time and attention spans. Generally I use Silicon Conformal coat and have had good luck with it. Crashed in snow and mud with my regular quad many times without issue. Getting specialized products in Norway is often hard, but I’ll look into your suggestions. Thanks again and stay tuned, cheers!
Haha, yes it’s gets so icy here and everything is a hill… often we use shoe spikes. Though I do think it’s time to do a proper HDZero review now. Over the years I’ve flown analog, HDZero, WalkSnail and most recently DJI, so I have a pretty good feel for all systems now. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support.
Thanks, appreciate the comment. I show how good the system ‘can be’. Using good antennas on both your VTX and VRX is really important. Stay tuned, cheers!
Bro, All the time best contents you make, thanks. Looking forward to stock ws vrx and with helical antenna. I'm considering the the ws vrx modding for switchable stock patch with newly attached connector to helical one. Cheers mate!
Hey man, really appreciate the comment and support. Yea I’m excited to test the bigger WS VTX and Camera. This 1s situation has not been great for me so far… only got two flight and fried the VTX (my fault) but now I’ve installed the replacement VTX and my camera isn’t working. Only showing a bright white screen, so some how it fried too. Ugh… the normal full version will arrive in a week or so, then I’ll do some proper review and testing. Definitely excited to slap some real SMA antennas on there and see what we can do. Cheers bud!
Thanks for the very useful tests. This gave me lots of good information. You are the first one who compared the optics between two goggles, a very important part of the FPV experience. I get the feeling that the optics of the HDZero are better than the WS Avatar optics, which seems the same as the HDO2 and HDO's? Sorry about the loss of VTX, bad luck.
The VTX loss was poor planning, not bad luck. Haha! I haven’t used the WS goggles, so I’m not sure, but there has been talk about the internal screens potentially being the same based on the specific type of product and limited manufacturers. The original difference was WS had 100hz, but i believe Carl is able to overclock these screens to 100hz. BUT, I don’t really know. Either way the screens look great! Thank you for the comment, appreciate the support, cheers!
First - Norway scares the crap outta me! Too dark and tooo cold! I thought you were going to break your neck sliding down your driveway. Second - there is SO MUCH data here that I think I need to watch this video like 4 or 5 times to digest it all..... PS - thank you for explaining about mounting the X2 air antenna's both vertically and horizontally...... 😎
Haha! Yea, it can be pretty dark and cold, but when the sun is out this place becomes magical. Been here for 5 years and still impressed with the landscape everyday. Appreciate the comment, I did pack a bunch of info, maybe too much, into this video. I’m trying to keep it quick, but informative, and assume people can pause and rewind when they want. Regarding the X2 mounting I’ll try to prove the advantage/disadvantages in future testing, curious myself how big of a difference there really is, so stay tuned and thanks for the support. Cheers!
Thanks for watching, I’ll be throughly testing the stock VRX setup, and then eventually swapping in some proper SMA connectors and using different antennas for direct performance comparisons to HDZero. So stay tuned, it should be interesting, Cheers!
GREAT VIDEO! Nice testings and comparisions(as always:). It seems that digital is the way to go! But I still don't understand all the compatibility of cameras-vtxs-vrx. Wish there would be more vtx with 600mw, 800mw and so on. Do you know maybe which vtx has the more power that works on Walksnail? Keep up man and looking forward for more videos like this!
I was running WalkSnail at the lowest power setting here… this 1s VTX can output up to 350mW. They have a larger version I’ll test later in the month that can handle 1200mW, that’s the system you’d want for a larger quad. As far as digital compatibility there are 3 main systems: DJI - Completely closed system, requires all DJI components. WalkSnail - Newest digital system, very similar to DJI, has their own goggles but also an external VRX that can be added to any goggle* with an HDMI input. *Currently only the WalkSnail and New HDZero googles can use the 100fps mode. HDZero - Been around for years, has always been an external VRX that you add to Analog goggles. However the last month they released their own goggles and it can run HDZero, WalksSnail and Analog systems in full resolution and frame rate! Pretty cool, they are arguably the best goggle currently available. Now there are pros and cons to each system but, that’s too much to type here. I’ll do a video about it eventually, and the internet is full of comparisons. If you’re coming from Analog and have good goggles currently then getting an HDZero or WS VRX is a pretty cost effective upgrade. If you want to keep using analog but want new goggles I’d highly recommend the HDZERO goggles. Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!
Great video - I would really appreciate a repeat head-to-head in summer if you’re up for it, the snow must have some effect on 5.8 GHz video and it doesn’t snow where I am so I’m interested!
Hey, you mean redo the comparison of the goggles and original VRX? I certainly can and will do that, also I’ll be doing a proper range test comparing the two pretty soon, so stay tuned. Appreciate the comment, cheers!
Ok, well yup, I’ll be testing them both. Yea great time for FPV, amazing that with these goggles now I can fly HDZero, WalkSnail and analog, though I’ll probably never fly analog again. Lol Also the WS VRX/Kits are still really affordable. I’m a huge HDZero supporter, but WS and DJI obviously have advantages in image quality, so it’s fun to add WS to my line up.
Thanks bud appreciate the comment. Yup, I have both a 1s and the larger Micro version coming soon. Looking forward to testing again, though it’ll take some time to build confidence, especially after the experience here… haha, cheers!
So actually there’s “an issue” here. The DVR footage actually isn’t representative of the actual Goggle images. The part where I was comparing the two goggle images was actually edited in FCPX to try and illustrate what I saw in each goggle. It wasn’t 100% accurate, just a demonstration. (I put a note about that, but I’m sure it was easy to miss, a lot going on in this video…) I wish I had a better way to share the actual goggle view with folks, but you really just have to try them. Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!
@@icp-trek I replied, but maybe you didn’t see it: “So there’s ‘an issue’ here. The DVR footage actually isn’t representative of the actual Goggle images. The part where I was comparing the two goggle images was actually edited in FCPX to try and illustrate what I saw in each goggle. It wasn’t 100% accurate, just a demonstration. (I put a note about that, but I’m sure it was easy to miss, a lot going on in this video…) I wish I had a better way to share the actual goggle view with folks, but you really just have to try them. Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!”
Thank you very much, I spend an absurd amount of time and effort on these videos so I appreciate the comment and support. If you’re new to the channel check out some of my prior episodes, especially if you’re an HDZero user. My last year has been largely focused on testing and pushing the performance of my HDZero setups. Cheers!
Agreed, maybe there’s no factory conformal coating so they’re a bit fragile. I plan to better protect mine going forward… was just in a rush to test it here. I’ll start in Part III this week. :) Cheers!
Mine broke on day 1 too because of some of the plastics/connections being very weak. If you plan to get one be very careful. If you take your time and do it right it's very good.
@@GiantAntCowboy definately no coating on them. I have heard the Voltage controller is sensitive as well at least with the larger 6s modules. So you need a LC filter and good capacitor.
@@redcobra1246 yea prior to killed then VTX the actually also broke the update port off simply by plugging in the update cable… little 1s boards are a bit fragile. I’ll be conformal coating my replacement first thing. 👍
I'm always amazed at the range you get on your HDZero setup. I take my system out on the same kind of stuff that went 5 miles on analog, but it blanks out in a single mile and requires the RTH switch. Stuck the IRC Power Meter 2 on and the Freestyle VTX is giving a mere 450mW on the MAX setting. All I can figure is that the U.FL to SMA connectors I'm using are introducing massive loss or something. The range and penetration have just never been good for me. It just doesn't seem likely to me that every product I've gotten from them was defective. (the Race V2 was, but Divimath was cool about it)
Hmm, range results between analog and HDZero should be very similar. I always use pigtails so that shouldn’t be a major issue. When you test, are you using Ch.R1? This is actually the only channel that outputs 1W, as you move up in the channels power levels quickly drop all the way down to 300mW. Also if range is priority don’t use Omnis on the VRX, only high gain directional antennas. Let me know, if you have clear LOS, and aren’t in a city, range shouldn’t be an issue. Thanks for watching and commenting, always appreciate the support, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy Yup, I've tested this on R1. It's giving me this strange behavior where the signal slowly creeps down by about 2mW per second as well, but it will occasionally spike up a little. I'm doing this all in a tiny little neighborhood surrounded by cornfields, and even with clear line of sight and directional antennas, I'm getting worse performance than analog (400mW) with just omnis. Going to try grabbing some direct U.FL antennas as it's possible the pigtails I'm using are just poor quality.
@@jaysonrees738 hmm that is strange behavior indeed. Definitely try new pigtails or direct antenna. Also are you currently using a long antenna? Using longer/taller antennas instantly improved my range. I’ve flown HDZero 4.5km (2.7miles) using only 25mW, so something is certainly going on here with your setup. We just need to figure out what…
@@GiantAntCowboy Have been using a 6 inch antenna which was what I used for analog, so I know that one is fine. Tried another pigtail that appeared to be new and the meter started showing around 600ish. Will just have to wait for a little cash so I can improve my stock a bit. Would be so nice to have a good experience with HDZero. On a side note, I'm aiming for some of those goggles. They handle everything I want to do better than what I have.
@@jaysonrees738 oh nice, so a different pigtail did give some improvement. There are obvious quality issues with some pigtails, but also the outer shielding often cracks where it’s soldered to the SMA connector. This causes a massive drop in power and signal performance. Regarding the goggle, if you plan to buy them they’re temporarily on sale for $495! In February they‘ll be $600 again… So it’s a good opportunity to pick some up. If you do try my affiliate link, curious if it even works. Lol! However, its a big purchase I know, this hobby is constantly draining our bank accounts. Ugh!
Avoid, not really, minimize, maybe… often shippers from China send packages in a way that avoids or limits the import fees. It’s a bit of a gray area I think, but I’ve seen many posts about people paying no tolls/fees in EU and UK, or only paying 40€. I’ve noticed this with many products from China, HDZero, WalksSnail, Banggood, Hobbyking, etc… currently all EU orders will ship from China. If you do decide to buy, right now they are on sale for $495 but the price will b back to $600 in February. I have a affiliate link in the description and if you do end up buying them, I’d of course appreciate the support. Thanks for watching, stay tuned, cheers!
From what I saw HDzero is able to retain clear OSD data even when the video is shit/gone. Does walksnail do the same or is the screen just black when out of video range?
Yes, I’ve always trusted HDZero/Analog more for Long-Range Mountain Flying over DJI/WalkSnail because of “how good DJI & WalkSnail are”… • What I mean is they kinda lie to you, they buffer and repair the image and pretend every is going fine until it not, then poof, it’s gone! The goggle feed, OSD and DVR just instantly stop and go blank. • Analog and HDZero don’t “sugar coat” a bad situation, the moment things start to go bad it looks bad, static everywhere, and you know to act accordingly. • and Yes, to your point you do continue to get OSD until of course there’s no more signal, then the OSD generally freezes, screen goes to static until LOS is restore, then the image breaks through the static and you breath again! I’ll be doing tests on this with both systems soon (not in the mountains though) and we’ll see the how each system reacts, so stay tuned. Thanks for watching, cheers!
If you mean, ‘can you put an HDZero VRX on the WS goggles?’ the answer is no, because the WS Goggles do not have an “HDMI In” port. Having HDMI In & Out is one of the reasons the HDZero goggles are the best (non-DJI) option in the current FPV market. Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate the support, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy Yes, regular x-air. I have test with x2-air and x-air. And there's no difference between this two antenna. It can be good if you make a video with x-air or an equivalent patch.
Yup, at a certain point any decent antenna performance pretty similar. Technically the X-Airs are Crosshair antennas, so it would be interesting to compare them to a decent but less expensive patch antenna. I’ll see what I can find.
I’ve always been curious about those… and my real reason for not trying to them is simply cost. Two antennas, plus shipping, import fees and taxes in Norway ends up close to $150. Meanwhile these DIY two helical antennas, which work great, cost me a total of $10 to make. I’m working on a double helix design that would would be more compact but with the same (or greater) performance. I’ll post a video with my successes and failures at some point. Thanks for watching, appreciate the suggestion!
@@peterthepumpkineater6363 Absolutely worth it, I have not problem aiming my head, you quickly get used to it. Definitely curious to test them someday. I’ll have to search around for some range test videos of them.
@@GiantAntCowboy maybe Mr TrueRC can send you some for a review lol. Look forward to hearing ya thoughts on them if it happens. Love the channel mate btw.
hey i just have a dumb idea about making a helical antenna for my phone to receive good signal, network provider has 3 4g bands 850MHz ,1800MHz , 2300MHz, so if i make helical antenna for 2300MHz will it only receive 2300 or if I change the band from software it can catch the lower MHz frequency in the same antenna ? can it receive multiple frequency ?
Interesting idea, it could theoretically work, keep in mind though a Helical antenna for lower frequencies will be much larger. You’ll have to reach the proper dimensions but I know even 2.4ghz Helicals are quite big. Helical antenna however can receive a pretty wide band of RF, so it might be able to work on each of those frequencies. It’d probably make sense to build it for 1800Mhz though so it’s in the middle of the spectrum. Let me know if this works out, cheers!
I actually haven’t testing the 90fps mode yet. For my flight style it’s not that important so I probably won’t get the 90fps camera. Curious to test the 100fps mode in WalkSnail, but I think the firmware still needs some tweaking. Thanks for watching, stay tuned, cheers!
In this video I was comparing a few things: 1) Signal Performance of the New Goggles vs the Original SB VRX 2) HDZ Goggles vs FS HDO goggles, Image Quality and Function 3) Quick test of WalkSnail system and comparison to HDZero 1s setup. Really just sharing my findings, not sure what you were hoping for but please let me know. I’ll be doing another follow up to this video soon. Thanks for watching, cheers!
Hi, basically this video is just comparing a few things: 1) RF Signal Performance: Original VRX vs HDZero Goggles using different antennas. 2) Image and Function: FatShark HDO vs HDZero Goggles. 3) WalksSnail Test and Comparison using new Goggles. It’s a lot of information and I was trying it keep it brief, which can be confusing. Appreciate the feedback, cheers!
Hei bra test 😊 lurte på om du viste hvor jeg kan få kjøpt 2 sånne heli antenne som du har hadde satt veldig pris om du kunne sendt meg link eller noe som helst 😊mvh Thomas 😊
Hei Thomas. Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately these antennas aren’t so common, they can be purchased in the US but not easily from Norway. I make mine, and it’s a pretty simple project really and costs almost nothing! Here’s a DIY video I made about it: - Easy DIY 5.8ghz Helical Antenna: th-cam.com/video/TS4fYcT3DEE/w-d-xo.html - Another Simple Video (no 3D printer) th-cam.com/video/fS7MKYkKN-A/w-d-xo.html&feature=shares
Kult jeg skal prøve meg på samme antenna du lager med den grå printe base du bruker hvis jeg finner den på nette jeg har printer så skal nok få det til stilig du brukte Nora syltetøy lukk og pasta glass lukket 🤣👍
Good video, I would just recommend that if you are doing a spoken video, no need to have us read so much all of the time. Skip the text, just speak it. Thanks!
I like to include both because some people don’t listen with volume, or understand spoken English well, however I do agree that the text was a little overwhelming in this video. I was just trying to cram in a lot of information and thoughts… Appreciate the feedback and will definitely keep it in mind going forward, cheers!
I run 4 1000 uf caps never pop another esc or video transmitter again I run 4 to 5 caps on all my drones haven't burned anything in 1 and half years now
@@GiantAntCowboy no i only fly 4in one esc I've also crashed in my pool 2 times same drone and never fried anything drone flys fine with dji and hdzero
That’s an interesting ideas that I’ll test in the next video. Since the mounts are just Velcro it’s really easy to switch them around before each flight. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion, cheers!
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Tests like these are subject to so many variables but at least gives one some sort of baseline to see the performance differences. A bunch of work went into producing this video and you are to commended for your effort!
Absolutely correct, so many variables, this was four separate flights but I know the line well and get the timing pretty close. However, this was just meant to be a real world comparison to discover any major performance differences, which I didn’t really see anything alarming.
Thanks for noticing the work I put into the video, most videos I produce have around 40hrs of production time in them which is why I only post like once a month. Haha! I’ll do more follow up tests soon, and think the range flights will really show any major performance variations if they exist. Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned. Cheers!
You should conformal coat all your drones. I do all of mine even living in Arizona USA. I took apart my Walksnail VTX and did that as well. to be honest it was a bit of a pain with the heatsinks. It has saved quite a few of my drones falling in wet grass or small puddles. i even had a drone stuck in a tree for a few weeks and a few rainstorms and worked fine after i got it out.
You know I also conformal coat all my builds, I “slapped this build together quickly” so I could do some quick tests and skipped the conformal coating…
When I first started this I lost a number of FC, VTXs and ESCs to wet grass, mud, and even dust… since then I’ve been using conformal coat and have had no problems.
Oh well, the replacement should arrive this week and I’ll do a proper build this time. Thanks for watching and for the comment, stay tuned, cheers!
Nice. I always love seeing your flying areas
Thanks, it’s a great “testing lab” for sure.
Love your tests, this one was pretty rough tho. Against all odds you went for it! Looking forward to your next range tests...good luck.
Thanks, appreciate the comment and support! Should have the replacement WS VTX this week, already prepped the quad for it. Cheers!
Holy directional antenna Batman
Oh that ain’t nothing… check out my antenna in this video! th-cam.com/video/gxSfD6PH1P0/w-d-xo.html
^ This video was one of my favorite tests!
Thanks for watching and commenting, cheers!
Thanks for posting these tests, *especially* in those conditions. A lot to digest, and I commend your effort. I would invest in a weather proofing kit - Kotking or Worry Free are supposed to be the best.
Thanks, appreciate the comment and support. I cramped a lot of info in here, maybe too much, just trying to be detailed but also conscious of people’s time and attention spans.
Generally I use Silicon Conformal coat and have had good luck with it. Crashed in snow and mud with my regular quad many times without issue. Getting specialized products in Norway is often hard, but I’ll look into your suggestions. Thanks again and stay tuned, cheers!
I came here for the impressive HDzero review but instead got Giant Ant Cowboy on Ice. ....... NICE.
Haha, yes it’s gets so icy here and everything is a hill… often we use shoe spikes.
Though I do think it’s time to do a proper HDZero review now. Over the years I’ve flown analog, HDZero, WalkSnail and most recently DJI, so I have a pretty good feel for all systems now. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support.
Great video men I have been watching ur vdeos I think it give an Idea on how good this sistem is thank u.
Thanks, appreciate the comment. I show how good the system ‘can be’. Using good antennas on both your VTX and VRX is really important. Stay tuned, cheers!
Bro, All the time best contents you make, thanks. Looking forward to stock ws vrx and with helical antenna. I'm considering the the ws vrx modding for switchable stock patch with newly attached connector to helical one. Cheers mate!
Hey man, really appreciate the comment and support. Yea I’m excited to test the bigger WS VTX and Camera. This 1s situation has not been great for me so far… only got two flight and fried the VTX (my fault) but now I’ve installed the replacement VTX and my camera isn’t working. Only showing a bright white screen, so some how it fried too. Ugh… the normal full version will arrive in a week or so, then I’ll do some proper review and testing.
Definitely excited to slap some real SMA antennas on there and see what we can do. Cheers bud!
Thanks for the very useful tests. This gave me lots of good information. You are the first one who compared the optics between two goggles, a very important part of the FPV experience.
I get the feeling that the optics of the HDZero are better than the WS Avatar optics, which seems the same as the HDO2 and HDO's?
Sorry about the loss of VTX, bad luck.
The VTX loss was poor planning, not bad luck. Haha! I haven’t used the WS goggles, so I’m not sure, but there has been talk about the internal screens potentially being the same based on the specific type of product and limited manufacturers. The original difference was WS had 100hz, but i believe Carl is able to overclock these screens to 100hz. BUT, I don’t really know. Either way the screens look great!
Thank you for the comment, appreciate the support, cheers!
First - Norway scares the crap outta me! Too dark and tooo cold! I thought you were going to break your neck sliding down your driveway.
Second - there is SO MUCH data here that I think I need to watch this video like 4 or 5 times to digest it all.....
PS - thank you for explaining about mounting the X2 air antenna's both vertically and horizontally...... 😎
Haha! Yea, it can be pretty dark and cold, but when the sun is out this place becomes magical. Been here for 5 years and still impressed with the landscape everyday.
Appreciate the comment, I did pack a bunch of info, maybe too much, into this video. I’m trying to keep it quick, but informative, and assume people can pause and rewind when they want. Regarding the X2 mounting I’ll try to prove the advantage/disadvantages in future testing, curious myself how big of a difference there really is, so stay tuned and thanks for the support. Cheers!
My big take away..is you need better grip soles when walking on ice dude! Nice video.
Truth, I’ve been meaning to get a pair of those “strap-on boot spikes” to get around this place. Thanks for watching, cheers!
I'm looking forward to the range tests. Especially the Avatar VRX built in patch antennas.
Thanks for watching, I’ll be throughly testing the stock VRX setup, and then eventually swapping in some proper SMA connectors and using different antennas for direct performance comparisons to HDZero. So stay tuned, it should be interesting, Cheers!
Nice!
Thanks for watching, appreciate the comment.
GREAT VIDEO! Nice testings and comparisions(as always:). It seems that digital is the way to go! But I still don't understand all the compatibility of cameras-vtxs-vrx. Wish there would be more vtx with 600mw, 800mw and so on. Do you know maybe which vtx has the more power that works on Walksnail?
Keep up man and looking forward for more videos like this!
I was running WalkSnail at the lowest power setting here… this 1s VTX can output up to 350mW. They have a larger version I’ll test later in the month that can handle 1200mW, that’s the system you’d want for a larger quad.
As far as digital compatibility there are 3 main systems:
DJI - Completely closed system, requires all DJI components.
WalkSnail - Newest digital system, very similar to DJI, has their own goggles but also an external VRX that can be added to any goggle* with an HDMI input.
*Currently only the WalkSnail and New HDZero googles can use the 100fps mode.
HDZero - Been around for years, has always been an external VRX that you add to Analog goggles. However the last month they released their own goggles and it can run HDZero, WalksSnail and Analog systems in full resolution and frame rate! Pretty cool, they are arguably the best goggle currently available.
Now there are pros and cons to each system but, that’s too much to type here. I’ll do a video about it eventually, and the internet is full of comparisons.
If you’re coming from Analog and have good goggles currently then getting an HDZero or WS VRX is a pretty cost effective upgrade. If you want to keep using analog but want new goggles I’d highly recommend the HDZERO goggles.
Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!
Great video - I would really appreciate a repeat head-to-head in summer if you’re up for it, the snow must have some effect on 5.8 GHz video and it doesn’t snow where I am so I’m interested!
Hey, you mean redo the comparison of the goggles and original VRX? I certainly can and will do that, also I’ll be doing a proper range test comparing the two pretty soon, so stay tuned. Appreciate the comment, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy yes, I meant that and the Walksnail VRX vs. HDZero - so many great options now! Thanks!
Ok, well yup, I’ll be testing them both. Yea great time for FPV, amazing that with these goggles now I can fly HDZero, WalkSnail and analog, though I’ll probably never fly analog again. Lol
Also the WS VRX/Kits are still really affordable. I’m a huge HDZero supporter, but WS and DJI obviously have advantages in image quality, so it’s fun to add WS to my line up.
Detailed HDZero comparisons there Peter :) Too bad about the WS VTX, you getting a 1200mW one for long range?
Thanks bud appreciate the comment. Yup, I have both a 1s and the larger Micro version coming soon. Looking forward to testing again, though it’ll take some time to build confidence, especially after the experience here… haha, cheers!
At 4:55 and onwards you can see that the Fatshark HDO gives better contrast against the snow. Crucial for height awareness.
So actually there’s “an issue” here. The DVR footage actually isn’t representative of the actual Goggle images. The part where I was comparing the two goggle images was actually edited in FCPX to try and illustrate what I saw in each goggle. It wasn’t 100% accurate, just a demonstration. (I put a note about that, but I’m sure it was easy to miss, a lot going on in this video…)
I wish I had a better way to share the actual goggle view with folks, but you really just have to try them.
Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy So what's your take on this observation?
@@icp-trek I replied, but maybe you didn’t see it: “So there’s ‘an issue’ here. The DVR footage actually isn’t representative of the actual Goggle images. The part where I was comparing the two goggle images was actually edited in FCPX to try and illustrate what I saw in each goggle. It wasn’t 100% accurate, just a demonstration. (I put a note about that, but I’m sure it was easy to miss, a lot going on in this video…)
I wish I had a better way to share the actual goggle view with folks, but you really just have to try them.
Thanks for watching and commenting, stay tuned, cheers!”
Really well made video man, thanks for the upload! Earned a sub from me : )
Thank you very much, I spend an absurd amount of time and effort on these videos so I appreciate the comment and support. If you’re new to the channel check out some of my prior episodes, especially if you’re an HDZero user. My last year has been largely focused on testing and pushing the performance of my HDZero setups. Cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy Will do! Cheers!
Looks like many bloggers kill their WS vtx the first day... It's strange... Waiting 4 more videos about new HDz gogles)))))
Agreed, maybe there’s no factory conformal coating so they’re a bit fragile. I plan to better protect mine going forward… was just in a rush to test it here. I’ll start in Part III this week. :) Cheers!
Mine broke on day 1 too because of some of the plastics/connections being very weak. If you plan to get one be very careful. If you take your time and do it right it's very good.
@@GiantAntCowboy definately no coating on them. I have heard the Voltage controller is sensitive as well at least with the larger 6s modules. So you need a LC filter and good capacitor.
@@MachuPichuu These boards really should have factory conformal coating, especially since the connections come pre soldered… come in Caddx!
@@redcobra1246 yea prior to killed then VTX the actually also broke the update port off simply by plugging in the update cable… little 1s boards are a bit fragile. I’ll be conformal coating my replacement first thing. 👍
6 months later, I still haven't taken the HdZero VRX out of the box.
Why did I buy this thing?
Not sure. I often buy new things to try, but then there’s never enough time to start something new… this is why I only release one video a month…
I'm always amazed at the range you get on your HDZero setup. I take my system out on the same kind of stuff that went 5 miles on analog, but it blanks out in a single mile and requires the RTH switch. Stuck the IRC Power Meter 2 on and the Freestyle VTX is giving a mere 450mW on the MAX setting. All I can figure is that the U.FL to SMA connectors I'm using are introducing massive loss or something. The range and penetration have just never been good for me. It just doesn't seem likely to me that every product I've gotten from them was defective. (the Race V2 was, but Divimath was cool about it)
Hmm, range results between analog and HDZero should be very similar. I always use pigtails so that shouldn’t be a major issue. When you test, are you using Ch.R1? This is actually the only channel that outputs 1W, as you move up in the channels power levels quickly drop all the way down to 300mW. Also if range is priority don’t use Omnis on the VRX, only high gain directional antennas.
Let me know, if you have clear LOS, and aren’t in a city, range shouldn’t be an issue.
Thanks for watching and commenting, always appreciate the support, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy Yup, I've tested this on R1. It's giving me this strange behavior where the signal slowly creeps down by about 2mW per second as well, but it will occasionally spike up a little. I'm doing this all in a tiny little neighborhood surrounded by cornfields, and even with clear line of sight and directional antennas, I'm getting worse performance than analog (400mW) with just omnis. Going to try grabbing some direct U.FL antennas as it's possible the pigtails I'm using are just poor quality.
@@jaysonrees738 hmm that is strange behavior indeed. Definitely try new pigtails or direct antenna. Also are you currently using a long antenna? Using longer/taller antennas instantly improved my range. I’ve flown HDZero 4.5km (2.7miles) using only 25mW, so something is certainly going on here with your setup. We just need to figure out what…
@@GiantAntCowboy Have been using a 6 inch antenna which was what I used for analog, so I know that one is fine. Tried another pigtail that appeared to be new and the meter started showing around 600ish. Will just have to wait for a little cash so I can improve my stock a bit. Would be so nice to have a good experience with HDZero.
On a side note, I'm aiming for some of those goggles. They handle everything I want to do better than what I have.
@@jaysonrees738 oh nice, so a different pigtail did give some improvement. There are obvious quality issues with some pigtails, but also the outer shielding often cracks where it’s soldered to the SMA connector. This causes a massive drop in power and signal performance.
Regarding the goggle, if you plan to buy them they’re temporarily on sale for $495! In February they‘ll be $600 again… So it’s a good opportunity to pick some up. If you do try my affiliate link, curious if it even works. Lol! However, its a big purchase I know, this hobby is constantly draining our bank accounts. Ugh!
Hi, nice review. Is there a way to buy this goggles in europe? Without paying customs fee?
Avoid, not really, minimize, maybe… often shippers from China send packages in a way that avoids or limits the import fees. It’s a bit of a gray area I think, but I’ve seen many posts about people paying no tolls/fees in EU and UK, or only paying 40€.
I’ve noticed this with many products from China, HDZero, WalksSnail, Banggood, Hobbyking, etc… currently all EU orders will ship from China.
If you do decide to buy, right now they are on sale for $495 but the price will b back to $600 in February. I have a affiliate link in the description and if you do end up buying them, I’d of course appreciate the support. Thanks for watching, stay tuned, cheers!
From what I saw HDzero is able to retain clear OSD data even when the video is shit/gone. Does walksnail do the same or is the screen just black when out of video range?
Yes, I’ve always trusted HDZero/Analog more for Long-Range Mountain Flying over DJI/WalkSnail because of “how good DJI & WalkSnail are”…
• What I mean is they kinda lie to you, they buffer and repair the image and pretend every is going fine until it not, then poof, it’s gone! The goggle feed, OSD and DVR just instantly stop and go blank.
• Analog and HDZero don’t “sugar coat” a bad situation, the moment things start to go bad it looks bad, static everywhere, and you know to act accordingly.
• and Yes, to your point you do continue to get OSD until of course there’s no more signal, then the OSD generally freezes, screen goes to static until LOS is restore, then the image breaks through the static and you breath again!
I’ll be doing tests on this with both systems soon (not in the mountains though) and we’ll see the how each system reacts, so stay tuned. Thanks for watching, cheers!
Hello, thanks for your nice video, one question, do the hdzero vrx module work with the ws system?
If you mean, ‘can you put an HDZero VRX on the WS goggles?’ the answer is no, because the WS Goggles do not have an “HDMI In” port.
Having HDMI In & Out is one of the reasons the HDZero goggles are the best (non-DJI) option in the current FPV market.
Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate the support, cheers!
i think you need to make your test with normal patch(x-air).
Like the regular X-Air? Instead of the X2?
The problem is I don’t have a set of those…
@@GiantAntCowboy Yes, regular x-air. I have test with x2-air and x-air. And there's no difference between this two antenna. It can be good if you make a video with x-air or an equivalent patch.
Yup, at a certain point any decent antenna performance pretty similar. Technically the X-Airs are Crosshair antennas, so it would be interesting to compare them to a decent but less expensive patch antenna. I’ll see what I can find.
Hi guys😜 who say s if it s a ufl connector for the patch antennas into the walksnail vrx?
Yup, that will be one of my first upgrades for sure. I like to push the limits, so the having the best antennas is important.
Why don’t you use Sniper V2’s?
I’ve always been curious about those… and my real reason for not trying to them is simply cost. Two antennas, plus shipping, import fees and taxes in Norway ends up close to $150. Meanwhile these DIY two helical antennas, which work great, cost me a total of $10 to make.
I’m working on a double helix design that would would be more compact but with the same (or greater) performance. I’ll post a video with my successes and failures at some point.
Thanks for watching, appreciate the suggestion!
@@GiantAntCowboy well imo they are worth it. 13.5 db with 80 degrees is very good for longer distances.
@@peterthepumpkineater6363 Absolutely worth it, I have not problem aiming my head, you quickly get used to it. Definitely curious to test them someday. I’ll have to search around for some range test videos of them.
@@GiantAntCowboy maybe Mr TrueRC can send you some for a review lol. Look forward to hearing ya thoughts on them if it happens.
Love the channel mate btw.
@@peterthepumpkineater6363 yes for sure, I’ll chat with Hugo about it. Thanks for being a supporter. 👍
hey i just have a dumb idea about making a helical antenna for my phone to receive good signal, network provider has 3 4g bands 850MHz ,1800MHz , 2300MHz, so if i make helical antenna for 2300MHz will it only receive 2300 or if I change the band from software it can catch the lower MHz frequency in the same antenna ? can it receive multiple frequency ?
Interesting idea, it could theoretically work, keep in mind though a Helical antenna for lower frequencies will be much larger. You’ll have to reach the proper dimensions but I know even 2.4ghz Helicals are quite big.
Helical antenna however can receive a pretty wide band of RF, so it might be able to work on each of those frequencies. It’d probably make sense to build it for 1800Mhz though so it’s in the middle of the spectrum.
Let me know if this works out, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy yeah will definitely try this after some time, and will update you if it worked 😄
hahah the 90 fps is the same latency just faster delay its weird its almost like a smudge on lens its really predictable at least
I actually haven’t testing the 90fps mode yet. For my flight style it’s not that important so I probably won’t get the 90fps camera. Curious to test the 100fps mode in WalkSnail, but I think the firmware still needs some tweaking.
Thanks for watching, stay tuned, cheers!
This is a camera sensor test. Not a system test. For low light flying.
In this video I was comparing a few things:
1) Signal Performance of the New Goggles vs the Original SB VRX
2) HDZ Goggles vs FS HDO goggles, Image Quality and Function
3) Quick test of WalkSnail system and comparison to HDZero 1s setup.
Really just sharing my findings, not sure what you were hoping for but please let me know. I’ll be doing another follow up to this video soon.
Thanks for watching, cheers!
I am sorry but I have no idea what you did or what it means. audio was hard to make out too much video to look at in one shot I am confused.
Hi, basically this video is just comparing a few things:
1) RF Signal Performance: Original VRX vs HDZero Goggles using different antennas.
2) Image and Function: FatShark HDO vs HDZero Goggles.
3) WalksSnail Test and Comparison using new Goggles.
It’s a lot of information and I was trying it keep it brief, which can be confusing.
Appreciate the feedback, cheers!
Hei bra test 😊 lurte på om du viste hvor jeg kan få kjøpt 2 sånne heli antenne som du har hadde satt veldig pris om du kunne sendt meg link eller noe som helst 😊mvh Thomas 😊
Hei Thomas. Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately these antennas aren’t so common, they can be purchased in the US but not easily from Norway. I make mine, and it’s a pretty simple project really and costs almost nothing!
Here’s a DIY video I made about it:
- Easy DIY 5.8ghz Helical Antenna:
th-cam.com/video/TS4fYcT3DEE/w-d-xo.html
- Another Simple Video (no 3D printer)
th-cam.com/video/fS7MKYkKN-A/w-d-xo.html&feature=shares
Ok har du noen filmer på hvordan du gjør det har printer selv antar jeg må printe deler til de
@@thomasgilbert6924 I shared two videos in my previous comment. You definitely don’t need a 3D printer. 👍
Kult jeg skal prøve meg på samme antenna du lager med den grå printe base du bruker hvis jeg finner den på nette jeg har printer så skal nok få det til stilig du brukte Nora syltetøy lukk og pasta glass lukket 🤣👍
Excellent, let me know how it works out!
Good video, I would just recommend that if you are doing a spoken video, no need to have us read so much all of the time. Skip the text, just speak it. Thanks!
I like to include both because some people don’t listen with volume, or understand spoken English well, however I do agree that the text was a little overwhelming in this video. I was just trying to cram in a lot of information and thoughts…
Appreciate the feedback and will definitely keep it in mind going forward, cheers!
TH-cam won't let me up the quality ugh. Says unavailable. Wth youtube
Awe that’s annoying, should be available up to 4k. Thanks for trying!
I run 4 1000 uf caps never pop another esc or video transmitter again I run 4 to 5 caps on all my drones haven't burned anything in 1 and half years now
I assume you have individual ESCs? In this case I think water just shorted some components on the VTX. (If you’re referring to my WS experience here)
@@GiantAntCowboy no i only fly 4in one esc I've also crashed in my pool 2 times same drone and never fried anything drone flys fine with dji and hdzero
Nice to hear. I don’t even know where I’d put 4-5 1000uf caps on this 3” build! Haha!
x2air why not do one horizontal and one vertical? Sorry about loosing your vtx man that sucks
That’s an interesting ideas that I’ll test in the next video. Since the mounts are just Velcro it’s really easy to switch them around before each flight. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion, cheers!