Controversial Modified Finish | 2023 East Bay Winternationals
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After crossing the finish line first, Drake Troutman is penalized for jumping the final restart on Lucas Lee during Friday's East Bay Winternationals Modified Week feature.
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If you wait till the checker flag to finally make a call, and the penalize a driver, that's some major league BS. 2 laps to go, throw the caution for a false start, re rack them, go green. They do it every week at almost every dirt track. It's not hard
They crossed the line coming to green dead even it may be the most perfect start of the night lucas lee must have a Purdy mouth
@@tomrobinson199 I watched it 3 or 4 times, even pausing at the moment they hit flag stand, and 5 was half car length behind the 12 every time. Reason they didn't throw yellow, is cause he didn't jump start.
Cliff - what an idiotic idea. the call is always made either at the next caution or after the checkers. to throw a caution in order to make a call would make a total joke of the sport. the rules are what they are. I think they made the wrong call though.
@@franknilesjr.298 the caution is only ever thrown for jumping on the original start of the race. when a restart is jumped it is penalized at the next caution or at checkers if they race is completed.
@@RedroomStudios?? I see this every weekend. Wtf are you talking about. Its called a false start for a reason. Im idiotic but im right? Lay off the drugs bud
The officiating and the victory lane actions are an embarrassment for dirt racing
The green flag should never have flown if the cars are not lined up properly. Don't come back after the fact talking penalties.
Absolutely,if he jumped,which I don't think he did. Then should have been a false start,give a warning and line back up. He did an outstanding job driving IMO
@@samuelshadden2805 idk what you are looking at but he def was "next" to the leader when the leader took off, as for the ruling, they def messed up by not doing a restart
you guys all clearly dont know the rules of dirt racing. the only time they throw a caution for a jumped start is at the original start of the race. any jump on a restart during the race is always penalized at the next caution or after the checkers if the race is completed.
What a bullshit call. Lucas Lee your such a prick. He was trying to congratulate you and you act like a little child.
The inside car should not be sandbagging before a shootout of ANY type and they need to change that DUMBASS RULE, NOT good for racing!!
That was some piss poor officiating up in the scoring booth !! Troutman was still behind Lee at the line. Now if they are gonna say he jumped the restart on a double file restart why wait until the checkered flag is thrown and then penalize him after the fact
I think their thoughts were that the 5 DID NOT give the leader the whole front row to himself. The leader gets the advantage of starting out in front of everyone & the 5 car negated that on the start. The finish line has nothing to do with it. 100% the correct call on that. Maybe their rule says to penalize post race on late restarts IDK?
do you not understand dirt restarts? the leader gets the lane to themselves
first of all it's not a double file restart. its a Delaware style restart where the leader gets the front row to themselves. my understanding of dirt racing rules (I have been around the posrt for 50+ years) is that the caution is only thrown for a jump on the initial start of the race. a jump on a restart during the race is always penalized at the next caution or after the checkers if the race completes.
@@RedroomStudios where are these tracks you people see that let a bad start go till the end of race, if there is such a track have the balls to tell the name of it, im sure the other fans would like to hear you tell your stupid bullshit. and to you prick dick le, all dirt races do not have rules like that, some only have single file and others only have single file inside the last 5 or 10 laps, again it depends on the track or the series. sounds like a bunch of you people only go to races to drink beer and hug your buddys
@@Trick_Dickle not at all the tracks we have up north. Its mostly double file restarts till 5 to go, then single file.
It looked like a good start to me Trourtman wasn’t out ahead of Lee any other time the flagman will throw the caution flag and have a restart sounds like the race might of been
decided before the checkered flag was thrown
he has to be a lane behind him when they start... he his not allowed to be 'next' to him
It was a textbook start and he also tucked behind and drove around Lee anyways
LEE - this is a Delaware style restart where the leader gets the front row all to himself. I still think they got the call wrong though.
@@RedroomStudios Screw THEIR "Delaware" (rigged politician) start if the lead car is sandbagging! Let's start a two lap sprint SLOWLY at a racecar event yeah they can eat SHIT! They were neck and neck the WHOLE way through the start and he FLAT OUT drove around that car for the win CLEAN for duration of a lap and a half ANYWAYS and was WAY the FUCK quicker!
Troutman got Bloomquisted...when you are really good, some tracks will screw you over just for spite.
Bloomquist hasn’t been worth a damn for years
@@bigboylife5463 Maybe so, we all get old.
@@bigboylife5463 Lol ok. I mean his stats say otherwise but ok.
What ypu mean bloomquist who you with now send me a 0ic
@@bigboylife5463 🤡
Acts like that after (not) winning a race and wonders why there’s only 4 fans in the stands
Yeah, Lee come across as a A hole and smart mouth. He got beat and knows it. Poor and DELAYED call.
and none of the 4 know shit about racing
Someone give Lucas Lee a breathalyzer test. Then take him to anger management classes.
Yeah he seemed so worked up he couldn’t complete sentences almost 😮
If that was a jump on the last restart I'm the king of England the 5 car was robbed of the win
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
“Not behind the leader….” What? Troutman was on a rail and Lee was working the bottom. Troutman swung out wide to gather speed and it worked. I didn’t see it on the replay as they called it. What am I missing?
It was a good call. The leader as the whole front row to themselves. The 5 car was beside the leader, not behind the rear of the leading car. 100% correct ruling
Yeah I see it now. If this is the "leader alone in front" type of restart then it's a jump. Initially I thought it was a regular double-file.
his swing wide and gather speed was before the leader "restarted" hence he jumped the start
@@jaredkinneyjr I get what you are saying but I still don’t see a jumped start. Looked like he was behind Lee when they passed the cone.
I played the replay starting at 3:33 and played it in slow motion. Never seen seen the 5t but anywhere but behind the 12. 12 passed the cone at 3:34 3:35 approximately with the 5t clearly behind him
I saw this on Facebook of Troutman talking to Lee in Victory Lane. I was so confused why Lee was mad. He won. Troutman didn't look mad, & i think he should be. The restart looked fair. But if it's not right, why not just call it off & redo it? Give Troutman a warning & do it right.
rules my man, only the start of the race is subject to a restart of someone jumps. any other jump on a restart is subject to penalty next caustion or end of race. (WHICH IS WHAT TOOK PLACE)
In what world? They were on it at the same time
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
Why the green ? Yellow and line them up again is what every track I’ve been to, something a bit fishy.
Bad call, the #5 was behind #12 after the fall of the green flag and THAT is at the TIME of the restart and #5 still trailed #12 at the start/ finish line, perfect timing.....
Craziest call I’ve ever seen
why, cuz it was correct and you dont know dirt restart rules of the series / track. IGNORANCE is BLISSSSS
Saltiest winner I ever seen. Looked like a scared little boy all Shakey and stuff.
coming from an internet keyboard warrior......
@@Trick_Dickle considering that this is a video on the internet, i'd say posting his opinion in the comment section is appropriate. what is he supposed to do? go find the guy and tell him that? furthermore, calling him an "internet keyboard warrior" also makes you one.
@@Trick_Dickle trick ur the biggest internet warrior here lmfao.. i can't count on both hands how many other peoples comments you've responded to. hilarious
@@artlovemusicpeace suppose to atleast watch the video and see what happened, the fuck is wrong with people they cant see dude was running double file on a single file restart... internet is dumb
There was nothing wrong with that start. Absolutely a BS call as he was slightly behind the 12.
Maybe a good penalty for east bay would be no one showing up in the stands tonight.
Looked like a good restart to me. He just got a ton of traction and moment. Went at pretty much the same exact time as the leader.
he started in the first row when he was suppose to be outside of second row..... what dont people get about dirt racing restart zones???
He definely wasn’t In the first row
That looked like a clean restart to me , leader crossed the line first !! BS call all the way
you dont undrstand dirt restart rules lol, he clearly jumped the restart zone,.,...
That's bs. He was clearly behind him. Good job Drake for the WIN
Clearly..
NOT clearly...
3:29 he is right next to him.... must have been the start of the race..
@@Trick_Dickle 3:31-3:32 is when they start to take off. He was not next to him then.
I won't comment on the BS call but what a class act from the guy that got cheated out of the win.
That’s a trash way to take away a win
That’s BS! Troutman handled it with class though.
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
Mr. Lee, Your Disrespectful behavior after being awarded the Win, is a shameful way to live your life.
Congratulations to Drake Troutman on a Victory. Shame on East Bay Officals.
Who is Blake Troutman?
@@vinceedwards575 Thank you New fan of his, since I seen him on Chase Holland's TH-cam channel.
Not a good call at all. I love to watch Lucas race but dang, Drake got a raw deal.
"Boo to y'all" is the southernest thing ever..... Until next week
Jumped the last start… what do you mean!!! That’s crazy!!
watch it again lol,, he started directly even with the leader out of 4... he has to be even with the guy on the inside of row 2
@@Trick_Dickle He was not beside him. He went wide and it appeared that he was, but he was behind him still. BS!!!
@@timevans1245 you are so blind
THATS A HORRIBLE CALL!! THAT WAS A CLEEEAN AS IT GETS AS A START
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
What a bad call.
What a bad call..he didn't jump the restart. Politics is not only in politics. As an old racer I have seen flat out rugged calls. That is a shame the boys can't just run hard and celebrate with everyone 🍻
yes he did.... most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
The restart is the cone in turn 4 right, or is it wrong? What am I missing? (Besides summer weather.)
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
@@Trick_Dickle That part I know, and he had the row to himself on the restart.
@@stevegabbert9626 lol
@@stevegabbert9626 your wasting your time. I seen the same at roughly 3:34/3:35 looked like the 5 was all the way behind the 12 when the 12 passed the cone.
Ray Charles can see better than the officials js
Sadly the next race someone will jump the start and they won't say a word it's who you are that matters at most tracks across the nation ...
Looked fine to me. Terrible call by the officials
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
@@Trick_Dickle He had his own lane, Troutman got screwed. Then Lee acts like a 2 year old.
@@timevans1245 you are blind
@@timevans1245 he gets his OWN row...
@@Trick_Dickle the call should have been made by turn 2 then. Not after the race.
Jesus, The man was even 1/2 car behind at the flag stand! Wtf else do they want??? That is an ABSOLUTE Crock-a-sh!t… They should be ashamed of themselves and that decision…
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
@@Trick_Dickle I know exactly what it is, and I’ve won many features Sir, the TRACK allowed that start, So the guy shouldn’t be penalized for it after the race! If he would’ve jumped the cushion into 1 & fell to 10th, ya think they would’ve penalized him? Hell no they wouldn’t have! That’s where they’re wrong…
@@tripleeathletics read their rules, jumping a "RESTART" does not give another restart like some do.
Not Lucas Lee's fault. He didn't make the call from the driver seat. Like the 5 car said on to the next one. Good race!!!
Shameful
Ahhhh BS!!..
lol, no it wasnt GREAT CALL, leader gets his own lane.. what dont you people get about that?
@@Trick_Dickle I wasn't implying to any rule or violations of said rule/s Just was into the moment of racing and wanting to see him pull it off.! Lol great battle that was for however many laps that was! Great Highlights that FloRacing shares with Dirt Track Fans..!!
Very sad to see the mostly empty stands.
My thoughts exactly
The conundrum of Floracing. They give fans across the country good access to racing. But if you’re local a family of 4 can cost as much for one race as it costs to get an entire year on flo.
@@onethumbks 100% correct, that's something that isn't talked about. Tracks are struggling with attendance but admission prices have continued to sky rocket for even weekly shows. Then you have alot of tracks going to no carry in food or beverages. So you're forced to pay outrages prices. Having a family of 5 we spend over a hundred a week at least attending races in indiana. Usually more. Even being just a fan now is super expensive.
It was VERY cold last night and windy(at least by our Florida standards)...it was $17 bucks to get in and that's the weekly price during the season...it will be packed next week for Lucas Late Models...
@@psychlyst ok. I understand now thank you.
BS!!! TroutFish (some of yall know) Just flat-out out drove Lee..... One of the Best USMTS guys out there
It looked clean to me. I don't think it should be who crossed the line first on the restart if that's how they called it? Shouldn't there be a caution and restart for jumping the start? Come On Man!
What a horrendous call
He was a bumper or a half a car behind Lee before the starting line . Lee crossed the line first .
its NOT AT THE LINE,,, its when the leader takes off.... most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
@@Trick_Dickle He was behind the leader when he took off though.
@@Ka_Gg He was not behind him.... he was even with him...... leader gets his own lane
@@Ka_Gg 2:35 he was AHEAD of the leader...
2:37 he takes off and he is clearly not in the second row next to the guy inside of row 2. what are you guys watching that you dont understand this?
@@Trick_Dickle you need to reanalyze it. He was behind the leader when they took off. Just because he wasn't too full cars behind doesn't mean he wasn't behind. Most people disagree with you.
It was a really good restart for the second-place guy.
I was standing just outside turn 4...no way he jumped...total BS call.Been going to East Bay almost 30 years and this was one of the worst calls ever 🤬
With today’s technology I think we should have a throttle response sensor that officials can see to see if there’s is a jump start which here there wasn’t and as long as the leader is 1st at the line I’d say it’s a clean restart …very good attitude to 5 and if I was 12 I would’ve said that trouman should be at the podium not me.
Oh man that is bunk
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
@Trick Dickle I get that, the flag man should have restarted that race if that was the reason..
I know these drivers have to bite their tounges when fans and others are giving them sh*t however its refreshing to see Lee give it back a little. Fans are clueless on what it takes to compete at this level.
They have no right criticizing orgers that are living their dream
Good call, Nothing controversial. It was an obvious jump for a Delaware style start.
Good call
I thought they usually went to single file restarts under 5 to go anyway
Didn't look like he jumped to me. I mean they went across the line with him still in 2nd... WTF?
I didn’t really see a jump. Nailed it and went high but never went ahead…idk
He’s behind the leader at the line. That was dumb
I don't think it was a good restart, but they shouldn't have waited until the race was over to make the call. I think they should have thrown a yellow, put the 5 back a row and thrown the green.
Lucas lee is a nut job 😅😅
Lee should be taking driving lessons from Troutman
I was there....I thought the officials missed a couple of false starts. It was great racing otherwise! East Bay wasted no time! The show moved along really quickly! 2 1/4 hours for 8 heats, 3 B Mains and a 30 lap A Main feature!!! Would be nice if other tracks were that efficient with their time management!!!
Hats off to Drake!
The whole point of Delaware restarts is to make the Top 2 even at the line.
5 car never jumped that's a bad called
you dont know what dirt racing restarts then
To bad the streaming quit after heats have to watch else where
piss poor showing of favoritism. this is why i despise certain tracks. they will do what they can or make up any excuse they can to penalize anyone who beats their favorite. HE DID NOT JUMP THE RESTART. if they felt he jumped the restart, throw the caution flag and RE START THE RESTART !! instead of making stupid a$$ calls !!!!! it was obvious this guy was going to win, so they made this really really REALLY BAD CALL.
I agree. I had to watch the replay about 10 times just to see if I was missing seeing something and I didn't see him jump the restart.
A guy from TN is the track favorite at east bay?? Seriously?
Nah.He got called on it because he fired off early, like in the middle of three, after being instructed leader has to go first.
its fairly easy to eliminate judgement calls during the green by sending everyone involved to the rear. It ain't nearly as easy to NOT have to make a judgement call on a start.
The orange cone giveth, and the orange cone taketh away.
@@GrocMax If he jumped, call it back and restart. Don't let them run the last laps out then make your call.
lol favortisim? nether car and driver is from the Tampa area. you need to think before you type
It's a series favored in the series how tough is that to figure out
Sore winner....🤷♂️🤦♂️
Let’s wait and see if troutman loses first no he won so let’s penalize him for jumping
That’s a bullshit call !!!
Sure looked like he was behind the 12 car to me at the start. Yeah . . . Ya got ripped off buddy. Ya got ripped off. 🐃💩
He jumped? I saw Troutman's car BEHIND Lee, the entire time from corner to starting line! Race director needs to be fired! This cannot happen in 2023, A DISGRACE!!
90% of Open Wheel Modified drivers are absolute clowns. They believe they are more important than reality actually shows. At the end of the day Open Wheel mods is a support class.
Maybe they want door to door, in-line not half way up the track. They tell you that in the drivers meeting.
Delaware Style restart, leader has first row by themselves, 2nd chooses top or bottom and double file from there. Guessing they nabbed the 5 for being next to the 12 at time of restart
@Jess Chambers go to the 2:38 mark, the last restart, I'll never be convinced the 12 wasn't by himself when he restarted. The 5 wasn't next to him until they almost reach the flag stand
@@jesschambers6551 but that wasn’t a Delaware style start. That was a regular double file.
@Dylan Colding they definitely were Delaware double file, watch the restart before
@@jefft1978 he's next to him at 2:34 going into 3
WTH ?
They deleted my first honest comment. So if speaking truths is wrong , then single finger salute to LL looking like a crackhead in victory lane
That was bs
Delaware double file, side by side in 4 at the green. Good call.
Delaware double file has the leader alone in the first row and 2nd on back double file BEHIND the leader
@@jesschambers6551 exactly, he was side by side with the leader when the green dropped. It was essentially a double file restart when it was supposed to be Delaware. So it was a good call docking him 2 spots. Alot of series don't call back a restart and dock afterwards now.
@Ez Duz It guess it was supposed to be double file though. Being told other places that they went to double file with 5 to go
Lucas Lee…where do i order a t shirt🤙🏼
That’s bs. He didn’t jump the start. Was clearly still behind leader. Smdh why tf didn’t they wave the start and do it over instead of letting that guy race his heart out and then come up with bs to take it away from him??
most dont understand the cone nor the fact the second place starts in the second row on a restart (leader gets his own lane)
If the rule says behind he was definitely beside him so that's that.
The 12 was ahead of him when they got to the line. Doesn’t matter if he is next to him as long as his nose is not infront of the 12. Plain and simple he got screwed
It is judged off of the nose of the car so if the leaders car is even 1-in in front of the second place car then it's good to go and clearly you could tell by the videos that the leader was probably a couple of feet in front of the second place car so I don't know what the officials were looking at but it obviously wasn't that restart, the guy in the five got screwed
Not on a double file restart as long as you do not pass the leader before the start finish line then it is a clean start. Secondly if they felt he jumped they should have thrown the yellow and restart them again.
If only they were restarting double file. Delaware double file has the leader in the first row by themselves, everyone else double file behind the leader
What a joke.
bs
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Nah 👎
He jumped the start! then ran down on the guy? What’s controversial besides flo racing
He was almost a full car length behind him at the cone idk how they do their restarts though but most of the tracks you cant pass until youve passed the cone
So he dud 2hat he goibg to say when i jump omis wife
How did he jump the start, when they got to the start finish line is a guy on the inside, the leader, was a head of the guy on the outside by a couple of feet or so, meaning the second place guy who was on the outside did not jump the start, and then what do you mean ran down on the guy, both of them kept their lanes going into the next corner, what were you watching because I don't think it was the same thing everybody else was who says the five car got screwed, because of the five car got screwed whether you like to admit it or not
@@matthewchenoweth8303 thank you are thinking about single-file restarts regarding the cone, because when it comes to double-file restarts because of the whole double-file thing you are going to have cars beside each other
@DIY Chad 726 leader was suppose to have the first row alone, 2nd on back double file. Think they got the 5 for being beside the 12 at the time of restart
100% correct call. Troutman was even with the leader in the apex, then slid back about about a half a car length when Lee fired. So Troutman was out of position the entire restart. They discussed in the drivers meeting that you shall maintain space between front and rear bumpers on restarts. Good call!
Not a good call, the same start occurred with three to go and no penalty. Also, the last three restarts weren't Delaware starts.
The 12 should have hit the pace car so he could've been perfect on hitting every car on the track .
That kid got the shaft.. unbelievable...EastBay..uinz got him.. shitty call...
When will yall open ur eyes all these sport industry are all becoming the same where they get to pick the winner or they will wait til the end of the night and only give u half the pay out I've been in the racing since 93 and I've been seeing this alot