Thanks for this review. I shoot a lot and due to the cost of ammo, I was forced to park my AR a year ago and switch to PCC (9mm). I know there are a lot of PCC haters (see below) and that's fine by me. I love the PCC, especially the two I built that utilize the AR9 platform (Colt mags). I assemble and shoot 2/3-gun stages out to 50yds. It's great fun and the practice translates to the AR platform. As for the Response, I like S&W, and I'm not surprised to see them bring this PCC to market. However, for anyone that has the skills, you can build what I believe to be a superior---all metal, LRBHO, 4.5lb trigger, ambi-safety, flash can, etc---PCC for approx the same $$. What bothers me the most about the Response is the full polymer design, and the lack of a flash hider. You didn't mention the trigger, so I'm going to assume you had no issues with it. BTW, nice truck.
to all the comments complaining about the barrel length being "what's the point if it's not tactical?": is this really a gun you think you're gonna be kicking down doors in Fallujah with? It's a polymer receiver and handguard intended to be lightweight. The application is definitely for training or SPORT AKA COMPETITION or just range toy. also, S&W isn't bothering with the whole pistol brace mess until it gets resolved in the courts. Don't get your hopes up yet for an SBR-length Response.
The complaint is that it’s a waste of money for training. 15-22 half the price. Fraction to shoot compared to 5.56 and 9mm. Or just buy once cry once buy the MP15 sport for actual practical “COD” use and a CMMG conversion kit for 200 bucks to train with .22
@@ltx383 All of which I agree with. When I say training I am more talking about introductory rather than "getting reps in" or skill development/improvement. I think this gun is just S&W's entry into 9mm PCC's potentially for competition use.
@ltx383 That's why i think it's an entry, not the final product. If they made an all-aluminum gun (which would increase msrp and make it a turnoff for most of S&W's market), it might be a contender.
The bolt is supposed to hold open after last round, I put 400 rounds through mine yesterday using Glock mags, zero malfunctions and held open on last round every time.
Your issue with not locking back on the last round may be the same problem I had initially. The FIX: when I first broke it down and pulled the forward take-down pin out, there is a little part which fell out. I put it back in wrong, on the left side of the opened lower receiver, there is a little springed lever which a part of the part which fell out goes under to keep downward pressure on the bolt lock thingy. Locks back every time now and in 500 rounds, factory and reloads, not a single FTF.
Don't load the mags to capacity, and you shouldn't have a problem feeding. Load to capacity and not a single mag cycled through the first 2-3 shots without a failure to feed. That's the only issue I've had with it. Other than that, it's fuckin sweet.
I'd definitely buy it if I hadn't bought the FPC 6 months ago. Would now be great if S&W came out with an economy AR in 5.56 with similar polymer components but with reasonable durability.
9mm is closer recoil to 556 unlike the 22lr. It takes Glock mags so it’s a win for me that these longer pistol caliber rifles are becoming popular. Cheaper than 556, takes Glock mags, it’s viable for real self defense not just training, etc
Just bought one last week. Sent it off to S&W for the recall update. Going to install a magpul MS1 lite sling, m-lock QD sling mounts and ends, BCM verticle grip, Breek arms short Flash Hider, Strike industries extended handle charging handle and either a red dot sight with VOTATU V2 Fiber Optic Iron Sights. OR CVLIFE EagleTalon 1-6x24 LPVO Rifle Scope with 30mm Cantilever Mount. Not sure which would be better? Like the fact it's a 9mm pistol carbine. Goes well with my new S& W shield Plus with night sights and S&W compact 22 with extended threaded barrel. I gad a Glock 17 but don't care about the glock mag change feature. I like the AR-15 feel instead of the FPC fold gun. Might think about a light but not sure its worth the extra weight??
FPC, PPC (interchangeable mag well), .22 Magnum (30-plus-one mag), M&P 5.7, 2.0 metal-framed and competition models, 10mm revolvers & autos, .308-base, 5.56 ARC AR-pattern rifles, loves and protects the 2ad. All in a single year. WOW! The "other guys" are making their new models in black plastic. Go Smith.
Another great video Kennedy. I like the idea of interchangeable to Glock mags. Curious about the bolt not blowing back properly. It seems more like fun gun and not a work rifle.
I've got the Smith fold over carbine. Besides being able to feed Glock mags in this one, not so sure I need to run out and buy one of these since I have the other one.
Training is probably the primary purpose. The 9mm will give you more recoil than a MP15-22, making it a better training platform, if you are using it that way. Many ranges limit the use of rifle cartridges, and PCCs are not affected. Ammo costs almost half of 5.55. This platform can be used to compete in USPSA/IDPA as well which is a great way to learn how to shoot a rifle really aggressively at close range. It can be a good training rifle and a decent self defense gun if needed, though not ideal.
Back in 99 I bought a Ruger PC9 and I liked the rifle it was reliable but in reality it wasn’t all that practical or functional and I found that the penetration of the 9mm round to be lacking. In short I wish they would make these PCC in .357sig and 10mm (although I do think now manufacturers are starting to make them in 10mm).
I had one too but it sometimes hung up on wide mouthed hollowpoints. As far as 357- like power, Winchester Active Duty 115 grain from a 16" barrel will post 1600+ feet per second and over 650 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
" I found that the penetration of the 9mm round to be lacking". Really? What ammo were you using. Most people say they don't prefer 9mm because of "overpenetration" concerns.
I picked one up just after Christmas and love it, the only bad thing . . . I live in Commiefornia and it came in with a fixed stock (appears to be adjustable) and a stupid weird grip. As it appeared in the add, it looked perfect for my grandkids to shoot. NOT . . . the distance from the rear of the Commiefornia grip to the trigger is too great for little hands. And the stock . . . I made it short by drifting out the split pin then re=-assembled as short as I could make it but . . . you need to make a tool to depress the spring to re-assemble to a Commiefornia legal carbine. This state has the most ignorant bunch of fools running it!
Good gun but I would say the fpc beats it. Has ammo in the stock already fold and is a smaller package. If your carrying a gun response size might as well get a gun with a higher caliber.
@contingencyibct3120 I just don't see the point in this rifle in 9mm when Smith & Wesson just made a side folding pcc in 9mm... Smith &Wesson is at the point that they're just making anything. I could see this rifle in 5.7 at best instead of a 9mm.
Problem with 5.7 is the same as with the .22mag. The ammo is too expensive for anyone interested in actually shooting their rifle. For those with $$, or those that treasure their inventory of safe queens, the 5.7 would be nice to have. @@armedrebellion47
A 16" barrel at almost 6 lbs that is plastic for $800 , with a pistol cartridge designed for short barrels , these pcc's have never made practical sense ...If you want to learn the "platform" lol , just get the M&P 15-22 for half the price . that has more practical use all around..
Absolutely don’t forget half price for the platform and about 5 times cheaper to shoot. Or just buy the 556 variant and a CMMG conversion kit for cheap training.
I like it. Light, handles fast, can take multiple types of mags. The only thing that bothers me is that barrel thread cover but since I don’t have any cans a good muzzle device could fix that. It would make a great HD rifle for me.
I think you’ve got these guns all wrong. The cool thing about these guns is the effect while shooting. The 9mm hits steel HARD and the kick is small, but sufficient. It comes with an entirely different feel and experience to shooting vs a .22. To me it’s the best bang for your buck as far as shooting goes for ~$.25 a round. Considering 5.56 is ~$.60 a round and .22 is ~$.07 and this is easily better for the money.
Why do you feel the need to put the safety on in between shots and please don't tell me this is a good way to train because it's not. You should train the way you'r going to fight as in some one is trying to kill you. I am of the belief if train this way in a stressful situation keeping your hand of the trigger is all the safety you need. This is just my opinion.
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i think the fpc is more practical but the response is cool love that Smith is giving some great options. Loved the review keep em coming!
I have fpc and love it. It's a little awkward breaking it down but besides that it's fine.
I really wanted the fpc, but the fixed lop made it a no go for me. Settled on the response, only had it 2 weeks but I’m digging on it
Thanks for this review. I shoot a lot and due to the cost of ammo, I was forced to park my AR a year ago and switch to PCC (9mm). I know there are a lot of PCC haters (see below) and that's fine by me. I love the PCC, especially the two I built that utilize the AR9 platform (Colt mags). I assemble and shoot 2/3-gun stages out to 50yds. It's great fun and the practice translates to the AR platform. As for the Response, I like S&W, and I'm not surprised to see them bring this PCC to market. However, for anyone that has the skills, you can build what I believe to be a superior---all metal, LRBHO, 4.5lb trigger, ambi-safety, flash can, etc---PCC for approx the same $$. What bothers me the most about the Response is the full polymer design, and the lack of a flash hider. You didn't mention the trigger, so I'm going to assume you had no issues with it. BTW, nice truck.
Very informative! To the point! Thanks!!! All S&W Response I have seen luck back to the rear. Did you double check that with S&W?
Another outstanding review I recently bought a S&W based on your review over a Glock. thanks your an asset to Smith.
to all the comments complaining about the barrel length being "what's the point if it's not tactical?": is this really a gun you think you're gonna be kicking down doors in Fallujah with? It's a polymer receiver and handguard intended to be lightweight. The application is definitely for training or SPORT AKA COMPETITION or just range toy. also, S&W isn't bothering with the whole pistol brace mess until it gets resolved in the courts. Don't get your hopes up yet for an SBR-length Response.
Oh boy, this didn't age well.
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Mass shooting in Maine 😢
The complaint is that it’s a waste of money for training. 15-22 half the price. Fraction to shoot compared to 5.56 and 9mm. Or just buy once cry once buy the MP15 sport for actual practical “COD” use and a CMMG conversion kit for 200 bucks to train with .22
@@ltx383 All of which I agree with. When I say training I am more talking about introductory rather than "getting reps in" or skill development/improvement. I think this gun is just S&W's entry into 9mm PCC's potentially for competition use.
@@MikeA817I highly doubt anyone would use this for competition. Lightweight with 9mm blowback not going to be a flat shooter.
@ltx383 That's why i think it's an entry, not the final product. If they made an all-aluminum gun (which would increase msrp and make it a turnoff for most of S&W's market), it might be a contender.
The bolt is supposed to hold open after last round, I put 400 rounds through mine yesterday using Glock mags, zero malfunctions and held open on last round every time.
Good stuff, Travis!! Thanks 👍🤘
Your issue with not locking back on the last round may be the same problem I had initially. The FIX: when I first broke it down and pulled the forward take-down pin out, there is a little part which fell out. I put it back in wrong, on the left side of the opened lower receiver, there is a little springed lever which a part of the part which fell out goes under to keep downward pressure on the bolt lock thingy. Locks back every time now and in 500 rounds, factory and reloads, not a single FTF.
I’m a huge fan of pcc’s. I’d be interested to see your thoughts on the S&W M&P15-22 chambered in.22lr.
Don't load the mags to capacity, and you shouldn't have a problem feeding. Load to capacity and not a single mag cycled through the first 2-3 shots without a failure to feed.
That's the only issue I've had with it. Other than that, it's fuckin sweet.
I'd definitely buy it if I hadn't bought the FPC 6 months ago. Would now be great if S&W came out with an economy AR in 5.56 with similar polymer components but with reasonable durability.
I bought my FPC about 6 month ago too!
What are your thoughts about the "consumer safety alert for the Response?" Out of battery detonations are not cool, especially with a polymer rifle.
Hmm, from my understanding it's supposed to lock the bolt open after last round.
It's a Smith, don't expect this POS to gain much positive reviews.
Yep!
Leg Slap Counter……🤙🏼🇺🇸
Funny, I noticed that as well.
Does shooting 9mm out of an AR platform with the 16in barrel change the velocity or effective range of the round?
Yes it does, the round is slightly faster with more ft lbs of force.
200 FPS MORE
Just bought mine today, great video
Interesting 🤔. Thank you for sharing this information. Thank you for sharing your videos, God bless.
Just curious, why is the grip open/hollow? Really is there a plug or something for this? Seems like S&W overlooked this.
9mm is closer recoil to 556 unlike the 22lr. It takes Glock mags so it’s a win for me that these longer pistol caliber rifles are becoming popular. Cheaper than 556, takes Glock mags, it’s viable for real self defense not just training, etc
What are you tapping after you shoot? Is that the safety your pressing?
Just bought one last week. Sent it off to S&W for the recall update. Going to install a magpul MS1 lite sling, m-lock QD sling mounts and ends, BCM verticle grip, Breek arms short Flash Hider, Strike industries extended handle charging handle and either a red dot sight with VOTATU V2 Fiber Optic Iron Sights. OR CVLIFE EagleTalon 1-6x24 LPVO Rifle Scope with 30mm Cantilever Mount. Not sure which would be better? Like the fact it's a 9mm pistol carbine. Goes well with my new S& W shield Plus with night sights and S&W compact 22 with extended threaded barrel. I gad a Glock 17 but don't care about the glock mag change feature. I like the AR-15 feel instead of the FPC fold gun. Might think about a light but not sure its worth the extra weight??
do the shield plus mags work with the response?
Does it take Shield Plus mags too?
Hope that will be one of the future mag wells.
Takes a 686 cylinder.
FPC, PPC (interchangeable mag well), .22 Magnum (30-plus-one mag), M&P 5.7, 2.0 metal-framed and competition models, 10mm revolvers & autos, .308-base, 5.56 ARC AR-pattern rifles, loves and protects the 2ad. All in a single year. WOW! The "other guys" are making their new models in black plastic. Go Smith.
What brand pants are those?
Another great video Kennedy. I like the idea of interchangeable to Glock mags. Curious about the bolt not blowing back properly. It seems more like fun gun and not a work rifle.
The bolt definitely holds open on the last shot, I put 400 rounds through mine yesterday, zero malfunctions and holds open on every mag 👍🏻
Way to go TK, 9mm nice for training and doing drills!! Teams!
I've got the Smith fold over carbine. Besides being able to feed Glock mags in this one, not so sure I need to run out and buy one of these since I have the other one.
Algorithm buster. Always looking forward to more videos
Are u flipping the safety on and off between shots?
If you're doing drills, it doesn't hurt to be fast on the safety.
This man did the ultimate leg slapper😭😂
bolt is supposed to lock back. something in the mechanism must be messed up.
I wonder if it is rated for + plus + rated ammo 9mm
That looks solid yet lightweight. Thanks for the review. Curious of the use case? I get the foldable version, this one is baffling to me.
Training is probably the primary purpose. The 9mm will give you more recoil than a MP15-22, making it a better training platform, if you are using it that way. Many ranges limit the use of rifle cartridges, and PCCs are not affected. Ammo costs almost half of 5.55.
This platform can be used to compete in USPSA/IDPA as well which is a great way to learn how to shoot a rifle really aggressively at close range.
It can be a good training rifle and a decent self defense gun if needed, though not ideal.
@@NBT31Ah, good call. Training didn’t even cross my mind.
Another death machine
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Mass shooting in Maine 😢
Love the info 🧐🇺🇸
Me having to shot left handed what is your option? It doesn’t look to have a deflector and the ejection looks erratic.
Use a Catcher on it then.
Can you please do a video on your truck and setup?
damn torn between this and the newer cz scorpion 3+
S&W just released a safety alert for this firearm!
Back in 99 I bought a Ruger PC9 and I liked the rifle it was reliable but in reality it wasn’t all that practical or functional and I found that the penetration of the 9mm round to be lacking. In short I wish they would make these PCC in .357sig and 10mm (although I do think now manufacturers are starting to make them in 10mm).
I had one too but it sometimes hung up on wide mouthed hollowpoints. As far as 357- like power, Winchester Active Duty 115 grain from a 16" barrel will post 1600+ feet per second and over 650 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
The barrel length increases FPS to the stopping power of a 357.
" I found that the penetration of the 9mm round to be lacking". Really? What ammo were you using. Most people say they don't prefer 9mm because of "overpenetration" concerns.
Nice Rifle
Slapping the mags on your waist line?
This video needs a “slaps his left thigh” counter. I quit counting around 30 😂
I picked one up just after Christmas and love it, the only bad thing . . .
I live in Commiefornia and it came in with a fixed stock (appears to be adjustable) and a stupid weird grip. As it appeared in the add, it looked perfect for my grandkids to shoot. NOT . . . the distance from the rear of the Commiefornia grip to the trigger is too great for little hands. And the stock . . . I made it short by drifting out the split pin then re=-assembled as short as I could make it but . . . you need to make a tool to depress the spring to re-assemble to a Commiefornia legal carbine. This state has the most ignorant bunch of fools running it!
For those complaining about its use: it’s the perfect truck gun.
Good gun but I would say the fpc beats it. Has ammo in the stock already fold and is a smaller package. If your carrying a gun response size might as well get a gun with a higher caliber.
Try to get your hands on a m110a1 sir!
Bolt doesn’t lock back on the 15-22 either.
Mind holds open on last round
Not necessary for adult shooting or fighting. But nice.
These companies make everything around the 9mm... 🙄🙄
He’s saying that because all he plays is airsoft. 9mm kicks to hard for him.
He watches these videos to pretend he’s an operator 😂
@contingencyibct3120 I just don't see the point in this rifle in 9mm when Smith & Wesson just made a side folding pcc in 9mm... Smith &Wesson is at the point that they're just making anything. I could see this rifle in 5.7 at best instead of a 9mm.
Because of a whole generation of recoil sensitive pussies, lol
Problem with 5.7 is the same as with the .22mag. The ammo is too expensive for anyone interested in actually shooting their rifle. For those with $$, or those that treasure their inventory of safe queens, the 5.7 would be nice to have. @@armedrebellion47
9mm. About most of us can only afford now days.
Hooyah hey, easy day
A 16" barrel at almost 6 lbs that is plastic for $800 , with a pistol cartridge designed for short barrels , these pcc's have never made practical sense ...If you want to learn the "platform" lol , just get the M&P 15-22 for half the price . that has more practical use all around..
Yeah no kidding if it's not going to be fully metal its on the same tier as a 15-22, but more expensive
Absolutely don’t forget half price for the platform and about 5 times cheaper to shoot. Or just buy the 556 variant and a CMMG conversion kit for cheap training.
Well it shoots 9mm vs 22lr about the only reason to pay more
I like it. Light, handles fast, can take multiple types of mags. The only thing that bothers me is that barrel thread cover but since I don’t have any cans a good muzzle device could fix that. It would make a great HD rifle for me.
I think you’ve got these guns all wrong. The cool thing about these guns is the effect while shooting. The 9mm hits steel HARD and the kick is small, but sufficient. It comes with an entirely different feel and experience to shooting vs a .22. To me it’s the best bang for your buck as far as shooting goes for ~$.25 a round. Considering 5.56 is ~$.60 a round and .22 is ~$.07 and this is easily better for the money.
Why have a 16.5" 9mm AR? Unless its for training, or sport, I dont see the purpose.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Have a rifle, and have a pistol. Why would you want a mix of the two?
Very difficult to see the purpose of this gun with that barrel length
Cheaper ammo. More training . Carbine experience
With Winchester Active Duty ammo, my carbine posts 1600+ feet per second and over 650 pounds of muzzle energy putting it well into 357 territory.
#1 reason = No ATF bullsh!t with 16" barrel.
I would buy one with a 8" barrel. That one is too long.
Hope youre doing well sea warrior.
Is that hat surgically attached to his skull?
5.56 and never not 5.56
We can send you to Gaza?
Make it in 10mm for 600 bucks and I’m in.
Glock mags?!?!? Nooooooo!😢
Why do you feel the need to put the safety on in between shots and please don't tell me this is a good way to train because it's not. You should train the way you'r going to fight as in some one is trying to kill you. I am of the belief if train this way in a stressful situation keeping your hand of the trigger is all the safety you need. This is just my opinion.
Should be cheaper imo
Stop slapping your leg
Hard pass
Don’t waste your money.
another great video.
With only a 10 rnd clip capacity in California, I guess you could say this would be a weak Response 😂😂😂
You should move