Can Arsenal's Attack Win Big Trophies? | EP 850
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On this edition of the ArsenalVision Podcast, Elliot is joined by Clive to discuss a disappointing draw at Fulham where Arsenal struggled to create chances from open play. The pod starts with a bit of an overview of the game and reaction to the dropped points, including the gut punch of a late winner ruled out. Then the conversation shifts to the lineup and the decision to play Partey at right back. There’s a bit on William Saliba impressing again before the pod discusses the lack of offensive firepower and attempts to answer whether Arsenal have enough quality in attack. Some other key moments of the game are discussed as well as a few other individuals like Rice, Kai, Jesus and Martinelli, before the bigger picture is revisited. There’s a bit on Chelsea beating spurs as well. After the game is fully analyzed, the pod looks ahead to the Fulham game on Sunday All that and more on this edition of the ArsenalVision Podcast.
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Nobody is annoyed at being good at set pieces...stop the strawman argument...everyone is annoyed at being bad at open play xG creation and the fact that its being papered over the cracks by overly positive discourse that only focus on the set piece goals and doesnt give the proper amount of weight to the massive issue that our open play attack is
XG means diddly scwot, football isn't played on paper, the only stat that matters is 3 points
Everyone is so angry for so many things.
Tough day at the office. January transfer window needs to go well
This pod episode is exactly the BS Arsenal PR exercise people can see straight through.
Long time senior supporter overseas and generally positive football tragic 65 yrs. Listened to your vanilla words of wisdom. For me Arsenal against Fulham we’re awful plain and simple, no spin, awful. Elliot can use metrics till the cows come home. Waste of time, football is a simple game
Guys let's just admit the squad building the last 2 years has been poor and Artetas squad management is even worse. There's no need to constantly play players out of position if we have 1 or 2 injuries. There was no need to destroy the right hand side by taking out Timber. There was no need to destroy the midfield by taking out Partey. Why did we buy Merino if Jorginho is starting before him? Why does he keep dropping Havertz into midfield when everyone can see its never worked? He keeps making the same mistakes over and over.
The squad building over the last 2 years has been superb, the only missing part is a striker, we've built a superb team but still needs improvement, like every team in the league... even City & Liverpool squads needs improvement but to say the last 2 years of squad building has been poor is clueless
@reisssato902 5 years almost 800 million, and we have 1 good attacker in the front line and no real backup attacking midfielder. Superb squad building. Raheem on loan was just fantastic squad building in the attack.
@@bendagostino2217 Does Liverpool have a replacement for Salah? Does Man City have a replacement for Halaand? No squad is perfect, Sterling is a back up for Saka who plays 38/37 games a season
@@reisssato902 Sterling is an adequate backup? I'm not even talking backups. Our starting attackers aren't good enough.
@bendagostino2217 they scored 91 goals last season, a record for the club, better than the invincibles
The answer is unequivocally NO. Arteta has deviated so much from swashbuckling speed attack to this plodding slow ball movement that utilizes none of the skills our attackers possess which explains why we struggle so much without Odegaard to make telling passes because everything is so slow.
Last year we produced those results due to quick ball movement and removing Rice from the 6 position who is the #1 culprit in delaying attacks. Unless we get back to that approach in attacking, I don’t see how we score enough goals to sustain long winning runs.
Elliot , as far as Liverpool having lower XG but scoring more goals it’s because they have better finishers than us and if we are going to play with this slow tempo in attack then that reduces our chances of scoring even further. We have a striker who cannot strike the ball and we take forever to switch the play or get the ball quicker to Martinelli so he can use his speed and dribble skills. Yesterday was a perfect example of this lack of urgency; Martinelli was way inside but it took at least 3 touches by Timber to make a pass that was on the whole time he received it. That’s the crux of our current problems the same as last year before Christmas.
Re. Clive's reference to Gyokores being OLD on TalkSport .....
At 26, Gyokores is one year older than Isak, a better injury record and has played in the very physical Championship.
Oh and Ian Wright. At what age was he signed by Arsenal?.....
No
And the acknowledgement must first be because of the manager's tactics and philosophy before any kind of conversation about player quality. 5yrs in, no discussion can be about arteta needing x player to make his system work, we're past that now
Our attack systematically is too lopsided and as Clive said there's not enough in central areas. These problems have been there for awhile
Invincibles didn't just have Henry, there was also Pires, Bergkamp, Reyes, Wiltord, Ljungberg & Kanu. The current squad is incomparable in terms of attacking threat.
Yes I agree we had the complete team in those magic days that at 69 years of age I won't see again.
To Clyve‘s question what our attacking reinvention could be this year: I wholeheartedly believe it could be Nwaneri playing on the LW.
He is actually a threat when he is taking on a defender, not like Martinelli who didn’t dribble past anyone since ages. They‘ll need two players to defend Nwaneri, similar to Saka. His crosses with his left leg will be far superior to Martinelli‘s and it looks like he has a decent shot with his right foot too, which means his crosses with his right foot could also be quality. Also he will be there to score when Saka or Timber cross the ball into the penalty area. He sniffs those chances out.
Him, Ødegaard and Saka playing together will improve our attack without a shadow of a doubt.
What’s to lose? Martinelli is not good enough. If it doesn’t work it surely won’t be worse than with Martinelli and if it works we might even don’t have the need to spend big money next summer for this position and can buy a killer upfront.
I hope Arteta can see this too
The attack isn't good enough tbh. Big Gabi and Timber are more likely to score than every attacker except for Saka and Trossard. What I would give for an Alexis sanchez type who would break a game open. Feels like it has to be on a platter for kai or martinelli to score.
But as long as we have saka and odegaard from open play and saka and rice on corners, we'll always have a chance. Strong run to finish the year and we'll all feel a lot better.
It feels like all the marginal things aren’t going our way this season. A force of nature player attacker like Gyokores should help us avoid having results rely on what happens in those marginal moments
Elliott mentioning a talent gap against a team like Fulham lol
Why is it so difficult for you guys to even once mention the kai havertz transfer and the impact it had on this project. Its not rocket science to figure out why we dont get any shots through the center
Havertz always getting coddled
They know deep down it was a huge mistake but they have to keep positive no matter what. They'll realise by the season end.
@@bendagostino2217 may be they have to support everything the club does, may be their profession compells them to do it
Thing is we have Havertz and we have invested in him. It doesn’t matter if we don’t like our top scorer it’s how we balance around him or provide better competition. He has the contract. He had a flat game but k think there are bigger issues than Kai.
exactly, Clive, who's apparently so knowledgeable, can't see the reason why? Lol this podcast is slowly turning into a joke, everything is fine according to them
Love the pod but I must say there was a lot of hand-waving about the quality of our attackers when it was raised as an issue. Saying our team got 89 points, or we scored lots of goals, doesn’t automatically make ALL your players top level. Same logic applies for City, they’ve been amazing but that does not mean Doku, Grealish, Nunes, etc are elite players just because the team/system is good. Something needs to change, it’s a very poor set of attackers.
Can we stop calling players who have been crap for 18-24 months “out of form”
Data this, Data that. XG, Fielding, etc. Maybe that is what Arteta relies on during the game too (massive sigh)
How about the Eye Test? Being at Craven Cottage, I've concluded that Arsenal are a Huff & Puff team.
Style/Patterns of attacking play have become beyond predictable, especially against those that set up with a mid-block.
Fulham - points dropped AGAIN in consecutive seasons
Brighton, City, Pool (TWICE), Chelsea - points dropped - AFTER leading
When there is expectation:
Arsenal. Keep. Dropping. The. Ball
Field Tilt
Apart from the fact wehavent lost to a top 4 rival in several seasons - Those are the highest expectation games no? Thats why people dont rely on the "eye test" its often fuelled by emotional bias
Gotta be consistent against ALL teams in the league, not just those in the Top 4!
@imranaleem1888 agreed but compared to where we've come from unfair to say they don't perform when there are expectations
@@relicreturnswhere we were? How far back we going- 5,10,15,20 years? Objectively speaking we categorically fall short when there's expectation.
Just go buy Gyokeres man. We watched that guy against us. In a very difficult game where his team was losing, he never stopped looking for the goal. Didn't lack any belief in his own ability and he kept gunning for goal.
We need that. Not Havertz scuffing shots like he's an u14 baller
He was useless.
The simple answer is no, Arsenal will never win the big prizes without a recognised gun man. We miss half chances because we are constantly relying on make believe strikers. When on earth are we going to be able to keep our back four fit for more than 3 games.
You mean like City didn't win without a striker before Haaland rocked up 🤔
@@martinharvey2390 - That boat has sailed, Pep was innovative at the time, other teams learned and adapted to play against that system. Copying what Pep did years ago is not the answer, we need to be innovative and create something that's not been done by other teams/managers its needs to unique to work.
@@briangreenidge8191we scored more goals than we ever had before with effectively this attack, you can point to ESR,Vieira Eddie and Nelson going but how much did any of them play. We could have had Haaland in the team in some of those games Odegaard missed and it wouldn't have changed the result. I'm saying I wouldn't want a more "traditional no 9" but that is no guarantee of success, it would for sure mean another adaptation of the way the team plays because the system requires more from the focal point of the attack than to just hang around the box. My guess is they saw two areas that needed addressing in the summer, up front and the left side. The left side was clearly the priority given our goalscoring record last season, it's just unfortunate that the 2 players brought in have both had injury issues. The PSR rules dictate that you can't address multiple areas at one time without some compromise financially. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in January but I think anyone expecting a big striker signing is likely to be disappointed
Mr football expert, City won the league without a striker, Spain won the World Cup without a striker, France won the World Cup with they're striker not scoring a single goal in the competition (Giroud) Spurs won nothing with the best striker in the world (Kane) there is no particular formula for success in football
@@briangreenidge8191"Be innovative and create something that's not been done by other teams" you mean by buying a striker and rely on goals from one source? yep very innovative and creative, you're literally contradicting your own statement 😂😂
Arteta is on 15 Million a year at one of the so called “biggest” clubs in the world. One of the highest salaries in the world. Stop making excuses, please. Fans are fed up!
“I didn’t expect Trossad , Martinelli falling off after the window”
And yet every avg arsenal fan knew and saw it , meanwhile “experts on TH-cam” did not
😂😂
It's not even a debate anymore that Arsenal need a genuine No.9. It's a pity it has taken so long for some to finally see that our "attack is light"...
Do we follow Clive in preferring to wait for Isak in Summer 2025 with NO GUARANTEES of clinching the signing (he has NO reported buy out clause)?
Gyokores at 26 is NOT OLD Clive as you stated on TalkSport recently. He is available in January and we can GUARANTEE the signing (because he has a reported buy out clause).
Both are excellent but what do we NEED now? What is more REALISTIC?
Saliba, Saka, etc will leave if the club does not move like an elite club in the transfer marker. And I for one won't blame them.
Gyokeres is NOT available in January, he has already stated he wants to stay where he is until the summer
This podcast has fallen off massively. The simple answer is no but you’re dancing around the subject and not looking at all the facts. Plus you shown huge arrogance and dismissed the level of our opposition too. This attack is mediocre, how XG from
Open play is mid table.
Agreed, it's the comfortable, pat each other on the back toxicity found on the flip side of the arsenal fan spectrum
They've become a podcast more about making excuses and defending the club/manager. Guy's are talking about let's buy someone to compliment Havertz😂 Havertz is a wasted investment, doubling down is a mistake. Except your failure and go and get an actual striker
@@rolitshindane5742if I don’t agree with you re Havertz then does that make me toxic Pat on the back merchant
I said in this podcast we were flat upfront
Odegaard Havertz and Trossard all flat - Jesus poor and Martinelli lacking confidence
The fact I’m not angry enough for you is maybe the issue
I said all of this but I don’t shout and speak with respect
Do please listen as we try to explain why and not just say buy a striker which we all want
Clive needs to stop coddling and making excuses for Havertz. There's no way a club like arsenal should be conforming to getting the best out of an average player like Havertz lol. You don't build your team to get the best out of a player like Havertz, you're just going to get diminishing returns
Arsenal lacks aggression, they play at too slow a tempo and are not direct enough. Arsenal owners are too cheap, they should have bought Gyokeres last summer, they have no excuse for not buying him because he was available. Gyokeres is durable, robust, he is good in the air, can shoot with both feet, he's fast, powerful, extremely good at pressing, and can play across the frontline. He was my #1 pick last summer and I think Arsenal messed up by not getting him then. If they don't him in January we are not winning anything.
I saw Gyokeres play live in Lisbon. His movement is elite. At 26, he is one year older than Isak and with less injuries than him. Isak would be extremely expensive and resources need to be deployed in other positions (wide left, as I am frankly done with Martinelli and Trossard)
I agree with everything except blaming the owners. They have given Mikel plenty of money spent and he wasted it on his make-believe striker in Harvertz. We miss so many chances because his movements in the box isn’t an attacker instinct and he can’t strike the ball to save his life. This isn’t an owner’s fault. Last I checked he sanctioned 115 million pounds on a midfielder who marginally improved our attack without a whole to show for
I love Clive and Elliot but some of their commentary comes across as running interference for Arsenal.
Arteta is a young manager who is still learning. He has a bright future but has some serious blindspots in his management philosophy and tactics.
£65m spent on Havertz was an atrocious piece on business making a very limited guy our highest earner.
Jesus and Zinny overall were poor investments which have had a ridiculously short useful life. High maintenance players who are not good at basic things.
Rice and Merino are the future of the team but Mikel still insists on Partey and Jorginho. He is wasting our time trying to force Rice into becoming an attacking 8 when everyone knows he is an elite 6.
He plays our best right back in Timber at left back, our best progressive midfilder as a right back and our best finisher (Trossard) on the wing or in midfield.
He took too long to move Eddie on and we find ourselves paying £100k a week for a Chelsea reject he doesn't even trust.
He doesnt play Nwaneri in the easier home league games to help him find his feet but throws him on for the final minutes at Fulham expecting him to work miracles.
He never goes for the simple solution as obvious things are beneath him.
So we have had our views on Sterling and Jesus and Zinny. On Nwaneri that’s your opinion. Arteta is still learning -we all are but he is learning, imo we look like a well coached team. In 2024 we have the most points and goals. I can’t unsee that - I also feel we lack offensive power and desire - I can’t unsee that.
You have to be fair - I’ve said all these things previously. A few things around losing Jesus and Sterling not being the Sterling I remember but I didn’t see any forwards moving in the summer of note.
We are a podcast that explains the why - the obvious issues around attack we also noted via the stats we read out
@clivepalmer3545 fair enough Clive. You approach things in a cerebral and measured way and I appreciate that.
For me, Arteta is a brilliant guy who suffers from things brilliant people tend to suffer with - over-thinking and never opting for the simple solution.
I think just a proper striker who can hit the ball hard and accurately would make a huge difference.
Havertz ain't it!
Appreciate the good work you guys do.
@@ngoni4870one weakness I see is Arteta is too nice - I knew Eddie was not it but he stands by his promise to give him a chance for example
We have issues as every team does - I don’t see Havertz as a priority issue
I see lack of wide depth and support at CF a bigger issue than our top scorer
Doesn’t mean you can’t have that Havertz opinion but for me Jesus and Martinelli are bigger issues as they are so important in our plan and have not delivered as much as Havertz this year
Jesus has scored one goal in 31 appearances
Excellent points. Ideally Havertz is a backup Striker or quality squad player you bring on to protect a lead. Leo offers more a goal threat than Jesus so play him more central if we need a goal late.
I don't understand the meltdown and questioning everything because of a draw with Fulham AWAY. Fulham was defending with 5 people at the back, everybody behind the ball. It was very congested and hard to break. Why is everybody questioning Arteta he made us chalengigng for the title for 2 years in a raw. We are there but we need that extra something to get us over the line.
Osimhen was there for us to trigger his release clause but our ITK manager thought otherwise which actually infuriated Edu to the point of him resigning.
How do you know this?
@@akafarrari he doesn’t
@@akafarrari I don't know about edu getting annoyed at something arteta did . But I remember reading reports that Arteta doesn't like the attitude of osimhen .
We don't get more from Central offensive areas, cos we have Havertz and Havertz offers very little in attack unless everything is perfect. We don't have a central player who is driven to score goals
Feels to me like we're in the same place that Arsenal have always been. Great first 11/12, being let down by squad players who are either always injured, or basically invisible when they need to play. Those first 11/12 have to play every match, they have to be the heroes in every match, and then every so often they understandably have a game where they just hit a wall and it doesn't quite work.
In summer it was reported that we wanted an x factor attacker. But we didn't get one. And they let attacking players go without replacement; it's fine, but replace them.
We have lots of DMs, and 1 senior attacking midfielder.
Other than Saka, I'm not convinced by our forward line.
People have already mentioned about open play xg being mid table.
Also we are bad at coming from behind, and sometimes at holding leads. Even if it's going back years,its only 1 away game in 24 that we won after trailing at half time.
We also gave up leads this year, and last year (Liverpool away we were lucky not to lose, Trent hit the bar).
We looked ineffective sometimes last year too e.g Fulham away, which we lost after scoring first.
People slandering Havertz 😂 For context; Isak has just 1 more goal from the same amount of xG(slightly higher) than Havertz.
He's literally allowed you ungrateful snobs to not get humiliated by Man City twice every year.
Look to our captain, Mr aesthetic Jordan Henderson. Ghosting in every high tempo game whenever he's aggressively man marked/pressed. Killing, ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERING EVERY SINGLE transition opportunity. Only relying on 5 yd backheels & wall passes for creativity. Feeding scraps to Havertz. Forcing Havertz to come wide because he is incapable of any off the ball dynamism to support Saka.
Don't put it on the guy running the most yards every 3 days, and expected to perform at the same level and finish the 1-2 chance he gets.
Anyone else think the defence played well? It’s the players in front in their actual position who underperformed
I would still prefer us to play past the pressure and release faster from the middle third. I feel like we play slowly and in trying to beat a deep block we control the game and that means our primary tactic is to create corner kicks. Set Pieces are POSITIVE, that is not a stick to beat Arsenal with; yet there are multiple phases to consider in play and in open play I do not think we are progressive enough at the moment. We are good at breaking down a deep block, but I would like us to play faster and not depend on a controlled attack against a deep block. I do not think Arteta wants to do this. I think he could learn from the verticality of Wenger and the control of Pep and the high press of Klopp and create a tactical Frankenstein on the pitch. However he sees it and sets up his team to do it, my point is that we play to slow and that is why we have become set piece fc and are not scoring enough in open play. And no, we do not have enough firepower. We need a chaos merchant to break the control; I love Arteta, yet I wonder if we get a chaos merchant whether he would truly allow the player the license to just go - to be expressive, to make a play? Chaos should be the "offensive reinvention" and the verticality that Wenger brought with Henry and Freddie and Pires around the spine (physical and creative) that Viera, Gilberto, and Bergkamp offered is the key. We have spine players. We do not have a true chaos merchant and we do not play past the pressure with true verticality.
Gabriel jesus ball watching a lovely lofted ball from rice, havertz with 0 conviction in his shots and nowhere to be seen when saka crosses the ball into the box and finally a left WINGER who cannot interpret offsides when he can look across the defensive line….with all these points in mind, do you still expect arsenal attack to flourish??
5 yrs in, we have let an ex-feyenoord and ex-leceister manager overtake us and we still have a certain section of the fanbase thinking that arteta’s the next best thing since sliced bread.
“trust the process” with no progress.
No progress? 😂😂
Take a step back and try to be objective.
Going schiz is no good for you.
I’m not sure how you can see this as anything other than a squad quality problem. All the other teams around us are proving it to us. Slot keeps recognizing the main reason Liverpool are doing so well is the incredible squad he’s inherited. Man City lose several key players in an already slim squad and can’t seem to win a game now. We can (and probably should) roll our eyes all we want at Chelsea’s ridiculous spending but look at where all this squad quality has them in the table. Setting injuries aside, even with a fully fit squad we still have too many players who are not at the level required for winning titles. And even in the positions we’re strongest in we have no viable options to bring on and change a game if our stars are having an off game. We’ve pushed this squad to its very limit in the past two seasons but will not be able to push much further without some serious upgrades all around the pitch.
Always fascinates me how after one indifferent result, lets not forget against a team who have been solid at home this season, and the fans go into meltdown. This could easily have been 3 or 4-1 and the narrative completely different.
Everyone is an expert and think problems can be solved like you're playing a video game when the reality is that its real! We currently have 1 fit left back (in fairness Id have played him in this game as it omly disrupts one position but at least he's playing in his natural position) and he's not played since the summer, or a midfielder who has had a couple of games there as a stand in. We have 9 defenders and currently, from what we learned yesterday, 6 of them are injured.
Clive is spot on, because of the amount of injury disruption players are having to play too many minutes.
All the so called experts in the fanbase were screaming for a striker in the summer despite having just broken our goalscoring record. It was clear the left side needed fixing and the club acted to do this in signing Calafiori and Merino and guess what they've both had injuries, you just can't legislate for that. They've played 3 games together so far.
The club looked at Sesko he decided to stay put.
There's no way Newcastle were selling Isak and even if they were the price would have made it impossible. The club were somewhat hamstrung in the summer because the players that needed moving were largely shifted at the end of the window and at that stage they aren't selling a prized asset with no time to source a replacement.
We've had to use 9 or 10 different back 4's. Odegaard was missing for 2 months, sure Nwaneri could have been used more but he's 17, has started 2 games against lower league opponents and had to come off in both because he isn't there physically yet so that clearly shows he isn’t quite ready to start in the PL.
We've had nonsense officiating too.
But despite all this we're still maintaining a title challenge.
Some people have very short memories and forget the shit show the manager inherited and how things have been transformed since.
Only one team can win the League, judging by some people's logic 19 managers should get sacked every season!
Our best attacking team under Arteta was in the first half of 22 23 when Jesus and Zini just came in. That front 3 of in-form Martinelli Jesus Saka was the best in the league! Its maybe worth trying playing Zini Merino Martinelli all on the left and Jesus up front for a game and see how they perform.
I have to say we have been very unfortunate with injuries.
A: Gabriel injured? That's okay we have Calafiori
B: No he's injured, too bad we'll play Tomiyasu then
A: Tomiyasu? Have anyone even seen this guy lately?
B: Fine, I'm sure Timber won't mind filling in here
A: Are you kidding me? The man is already operating on a double shift, give the man a break!
B: Then who do we have left?
A: How about that Kiwior guy then?
B: You mean that guy that let Salah run past him and gave a poor pass back to the keeper in the Bournemouth game?
A: Well at least he isn't injured right?
In my opinion we can't be relying on Tomiyasu and Kiwior anymore, I've staunchly defended these two in the past but I think it's a huge liability for us now. We either get a new left back and play Calafiori as a left sided central defence, or we get another top level central defender that is street smart.
Celebrated for scoring if corners. How should that celebration happen, like the media should give us credit or rival fans or what?? And why do we need such validation and praise, its not an achievement, achievement would be winning the league doing this, then the celebration should follow.
The difference is Salah has / had Diaz / Gakpo / Mane on the other side. Mahrez had Foden / Sterling. Our left isn't good enough.
For 10 mins after we scored we looked sharper then I thought we looked toothless until that offside goal. That is not bad luck. Martinelli offside inexcusable
Arteta tore up 2 season ago formula becahe thought defending failed us. But injuries and his leadership failed. We just needed to improve that. Start of season always a transition since.
Maybe Martinelli doesn't lose all his confidence etc if we kept to that plan and kept Xhaka. I find us painfto watch bar 3 games this season. Our goal scoring recorelied on freak period we won games 5 nil with 2 xg.
Hoping top 4 and progress from top 8 CL. But please some enjoyment 😉
Final ball and shooting is belief - conviction. Its a theme. Its not an accident. We ain't winning league with Arteta sadly unless he has an epiphany on his mind set.
So arsenal attacking depth -
Saka - World Class
Havertz - Decent
Trossard - 30 , should be superSub
Martinelli - hasn't been good from last 18 months
Jesus - Hasnt scored a goal in league since Jan
And after seeing this , they thought signing a washed sterling will be enough . Its not even mistake at this point . Its a crime . Its taking you this long to address your attacking depth, thats on arteta or whoever responsible . Since 2 seasons before we been trying to sign attacker , either winger or striker but 2 years later , still nothing . I hope we do something in Jan , 1 attacking signing is needed no matter what the cost or availability.
I think losing Zhaka has unsettled the way we play.
Timber passes 2 seconds earlier and there is no offside
People act like there isn't a whole other opposition team against you fighting to win the game too, it's like they think they're team can just turn up and win every game easy peasy
The summer window was a disgrace. Lets be honest!
For 10 mins after we scored we looked sharper then I thought we looked toothless until that offside goal. That is not bad luck. Martinelli offside inexcusable
If Liverpool had played and won we win this game imo
Merino has been injured 3 times in as many months
Short answer to your question is no.. our attack is not good enough to win big trophies. Our goal stats mask the truth because we often beat up mediocre teams
Just to say I watch and what options is Martinelli given? So presume plan is if he is one on one he goes head down and goes to get cross in
Looking forward at Clive trying to spin this one...
Well….did you listen?
@clivepalmer3545 Good man Clive. Keep up the good work. Nothing personal
@ thanks for replying Michael. Tough game. We have an attack issue. I fear we are too light
The answer is no
More offensive mind set might do it. Jesus Nketiah never scored from outsbox even on form.
Havertz was unnecessary signing. That window arsenal had to replace xhaka and sign an attacker. Spending 65m on havertz when he doesn't provide solution to both is just unnecessary especially when likes of Kudus were available for less money . Tho now i think Havertz can be useful in certain games .
We got found out..
A Med block + crowding that saka side
Thats how you stop arsenal
Final 3rd when attacking has been the problem too long solve it and we start to win trophies🎉
Could we look at buying a lb Timber
Great show gentlemen the left side needs to be fixed a left back and left winger and striker is necessary to save the season.
These are the games where it matters. There's no reward in winning those 3games, beating Utd, and then not picking up the 3pts here. We are chasing the big prices. They don't come easy, and pampering over the cracks we have in attack won't help
Just watched the latest Goonerverse - wow, polar opposite of the Arsenal Vision. Now it’s a good thing we should have diverse opinions but they were saying everything I was trying to say earlier in the comments here. Gives me some assurance that my views about this channel are somewhat vindicated. 😊
105 million on Rice huge mistake
The Martinelli conversation is unfair... He's the only one being asked to play in isolation on his side while Saka has all these players around him to play with... Arteta is the problem with Martinelli's development in my opinion
How did Saka get on when Odegaard was injured and Ben White didn’t give him overlaps earlier in the season?
How is there goal not poor defending from kiwior? He runs right across their attacker rather than keeping his distance goal side so he can see his run, he’s a brainless defender
Sounds like this pod came from the wrong perspective. We are dropping points at a ridiculous rate, not sustainable for a title winning side. We cannot consistently create big chances, and our manager is letting us down picking the squad and in game management is horrific. Clive not addressing Havertz, Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard, Zinchenko, Kiwor all underperforming hindering us and not being good enough. Elliot making stupid jokes and referencing Liverpool or Man City every 2 seconds. Funny how they won't say Havertz Jesus Trossard are not title winning attackers!!!!!!
You guys have the wrong mindset . You don't weaken your team. We could have played Declan Rice at left or right back at start Merino. The fact is Arteta deliberately chose to weaken the team because he felt that it would still be strong enough to win. He was wrong again. That's now 7 points lost because he chose to weaken the team. Liverpool, Newcastle and Fulham. No other coach in world football does this. We had 2 left backs sitting on the damn bench. Stupid.
Rice at rb🤣
Thank goodness they don’t have your mindset, good grief Rice at R or LB you must be having a laugh! If you are not having a laugh I certainly am 😂🤣🤣😂
@@Amesy20 why is it ok for our best midfielder to play right back but not ok for our worst midfielder to play left back? It would mean we keep our best players in their best positions.
@@diehardgunner4844 go and take a managerial job
So many crazy comments here, more suited to AFTV I think ;-)
Answer is no...and arteta won't sign "big players" who can take away the limelight or grab the headlins. Arteta has main character syndrome, which he could not cater to as a player. As manager he carries that chip on rhe shoulder
With each game its becoming evident to Me that those Ødegaard chance created stats have the same energy of those Mustafi's tackles+interception stats.
Apparently he created FOUR chances in this game 😂
No right foot, No PnP, No ball carrying, No off the ball dynamism, No paasing range beyond 5-10 yd backheels. And to top it all off, The BIGGEST transition killer in our team.
How has Arteta decided to make this aesthetic Jordan Henderson our creativer leader is beyond Me.
Football's not your sport then?
@jimmybalantyne5545 oh no.. A football intellectual 🥺 I must look like such an idiot criticising Ødegaard- The best midfielder itw. What sports should I switch to now 🥺
Yeah agree. Yes we need an interior in our team and we missed him when he was gone because we have no alternative but I‘ve heard shouts about him being our best player on the team. Which were and are ludicrous.
@@dakhoa Ty. It's painful watching other top clubs have range passers like Trent & KDB and elite ball carriers like Musiala & Jude and then we have such a Limited player who only shines against low blocks.
How can you be a top creative player without the capacity to beat your man or control large spaces.
You nailed it, it is because we have nobody else why This is what the fans have come to deem as acceptable.
Odeegard lost his shooting. If we had Saka Odeegard Martinelli finishing of 2 seasons ago with more from others wecare fine. Havertz can score. Mentality mentality mentality starts with Arteta. Like he isn't a killer. His psychology stuff is kindergarten
I really think it's more simple than we make it out to be. Arsenal just aren't a serious club. I really hate to say it but we're not. This summer told me everything I needed to know. Arteta is a coward for his tactics and choice of players. I'm pretty much done with arsenal it's so so boring.
Just put £80m on the table and buy Isak.Simple! Even if that will be the only business we do.
Can we still bring it back?
No
Stop the xg nonsense. We all have eyes. It become boring
Waffle channel, don’t watch
Spend 65 mil pounds and trigger Osihmens release clause in January and end this madness. Drop Declan Rice and play Merino as a proper left eight. Play Thomas Partey as the CDm
Play Timber back at Right Back. Play Gabriel and Calafiori who are both fit contrary to what Arteta claims. Really simple then we will recover. Stop the damn tinkering.
Osimhen's loan to Gala is season long. The annoying thing about it is that it was unanimously greed that arsenal would buy him last summer. Edu flew to Ivory coast to watch him play in the Afcon in January and begin preliminary talks with his agent. Edu returns to the UK and Arteta changes his mind preferring to rely on Havertz. That decision and other bizarre transfer preferences on Arteta's part led to Edu's resignation.
@edzico1908 that doesn't surprise me. He can't handle players with some backbone. Crazy decisions.