The reality is. Accidents and breakdowns can happen with any ship. Now there may be negligence involved here. However, at this stage we don't know what factors were at work. But given there is going to be a Court of Enquiry. My concern is... Both the Defence Minister and Navy Chief have been speaking up for the Commander of the ship, who happens to be a woman. Yes it is good that no lives were lost. And you can acknowledge that. Nevertheless the ship was lost. And given the impending Court of Enquiry. They need to be circumspect in what they say!
@@michaelgrey7854expensive way to chart waters lose a ship every few miles don’t you think. Maybe turn on the forward sonar next time or go a little slower.
@@tellthemborissentyou Previous PM . extremely Woke type. Left economy in a bit of a mess. Her Min of finance was a Shirt lifter and let his eye get off the game as it were...
All the prior mapping will have to be redone because all there sonar equipment was probably out of calibration that’s probably why the ship ran aground. As long as they continue with their DEI appointments this shit is going to continue to happen. It’s embarrassing and the NZ taxpayers will have to foot the bill. The captain along with Judith “crusher” Collins should both be fired.
It’s Monday, your day won’t be as bad as these guys had this weekend. We are going to need honest answers about what has happened to this ship and to be frank I don’t trust anything any government says anymore. Even ones I voted for.
We will never get the truth from the government about anything let alone some dei hire sinking our ship will she be paying our 100million back. Bet the navy give her a medal and say what a fantastic job she has done abandoning the ship oh that’s right they already have except for the medal that will come later
@@damionkeeling3103paid 103m for second hand oil platform work rig stated at time only worth 20m then spent a further 40+m on it to bring to navy spec. So total loss of about 150m plus cleanup costs should bring up to about 200m loss or bit less.
@@gregorymatthies5297yes. However, they failed to spend the money on upgrading the auto pilot and other ageing critical systems onboard. I also heard that there was a problem with the azipods. No one in the crew knew how to properly manage the Azipods during sailing. They should have paid a Norwegian, Danish or Dutch master to come across to tech them how to properly handle n AHTS vessel🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
NZ doesn't acknowledge the defence forces, they don't appear in big parades, on tv or pretty much anywhere outside the towns the handful of bases are located in. There was a big flood last year and the army and navy helped out, that was the first time in several years I'd seen anything NZ military related. The Army band looks more like the Salvation Army brass band and they play a lot of jazz music and dance. The navy band if it still exists looks like a bunch of people in office suits and the airforce got rid of their band years ago for financial reasons - apparently maintaing a few brass instruments was too expensive or maybe there weren't enough people who could play after reducing the size of the airforce too much. They're not strike capable anymore, they operate some transport planes and helicopters for the army and navy mostly. Having the ship leave like some generic container ship isn't surprising.
@@damionkeeling3103 If you look at the history of the Skyhawks they all got destroyed via prangs and the odd fatal accident until they th e remainder was ready for turning out to pasture. Nz took on equipment it could not afford to fly or replace. If you have single engine fighters it's clear you are going to have a lot of engine out losses.
New Zealand Navy has barely any active surface ships and no air force with any combat capability either. How embarrassing to have to rely on Australia for its protection.
Just refresh me again who have the Ozzie armed services been battling with on our behalf to stop them over running us ? Is there a give a little page to help with the familes/children of the Australians killed in action so as I can be free ?
I once told an Aussie who commented on our lack of armed forces that Australian Corporations owned everything in NZ so let them defend the place,and pay for it.
Not professional at all: No excuse for all that rust staining left like that and those on deck should have been smartly fallen in but were a shambles. Not surprising that unprofessional lot it ran into a well charted reef in daylight in good weather.
They will also have to protect the Minister who praised the captain, and the captain now that the Minister has gone public with covering the captain with glory.
@@AirflowNZ Its still an enquiry conducted by the navy and government so theres no way it wont be a cover up to some degree. Judith already tried to paint the picture of the commander doing no wrong before the investigation even started FFS. The only way this enquiry could work if is the Australians conducted it (assuming their navy isnt completely woke like ours or some form of independent investigation).
Steering and Thruster malfunction. Then repeated hits to the reef and inability to free themselves. That’s what would’ve lead to the abandon ship. I bet $5 and a pie that’s the answer.
The Bigger question for the MIGHTY minds in Devonport is why a drone survey boat was not used near the reef - The technology for that has existed for 20 years or more.
@@F_Tim1961 maybe they were not actually surveying. Had they picked up a local pilot and cleared for entry? Had they just turned the pointy end toward Samoa and headed off….so many questions!
I think thoughts for those still recovering from the Hawkes Bay flood are more in order but it makes me wonder what happens to the crew careerwise. Layoffs? NZ can't afford to buy a replacement ship at the moment.
Hold my Beer Ray Gunn, we are on our way!
I would have thought a survey ship would be the LAST type of vessel to accidentally run aground. My GOD !
Accidents should absolutely not be happening within a navy fleet sent to charter waters. With all the equipment aboard this gross negligence.
It was no accident
The reality is. Accidents and breakdowns can happen with any ship. Now there may be negligence involved here. However, at this stage we don't know what factors were at work. But given there is going to be a Court of Enquiry. My concern is... Both the Defence Minister and Navy Chief have been speaking up for the Commander of the ship, who happens to be a woman. Yes it is good that no lives were lost. And you can acknowledge that. Nevertheless the ship was lost. And given the impending Court of Enquiry. They need to be circumspect in what they say!
Considering survey ships chart uncharted waters I would of thought the opposite to be true?
@@michaelgrey7854expensive way to chart waters lose a ship every few miles don’t you think. Maybe turn on the forward sonar next time or go a little slower.
You may have caught the last time the ship leaves this port⚓️
Yep he did
At least the gender and sex equality boxes were ticked
@@richardnixon4345 ?
What a jackass comment @@richardnixon4345
@@Storm_Wings11
Commissioned by Jacinta Ardern, ship never had a chance!
Nothing left in the tanks
Who is Jacinta?
@@tellthemborissentyou Previous PM . extremely Woke type. Left economy in a bit of a mess. Her Min of finance was a Shirt lifter and let his eye get off the game as it were...
@F_Tim1961 and now an advisor to US democratic party.
Non of us stood a chance
Saw this submarine dive this morning, very impressive.
It was on fire
@@SymbolicCosmos a burning submarine? Impressive.
@@thesquire6352 🤙😂
Personally I think it looks better on top of the water. Oh well the captain obviously knows what they are doing.
"Knows what "they / them" are doing." What a fiasco, they / them will now get a promotion to top job in the Navy.
Perhaps an American nuclear-powered naval ship can assist in the recovery ?
The last time she leaves New Zealand. Should be a nice diving spot in the future
They were looking for a reef - I think they found it…
ship loaded with sonar and floor mapping equipment STILL runs aground !!!???
@@seanbong-qp9sl Why? DEI!
All the prior mapping will have to be redone because all there sonar equipment was probably out of calibration that’s probably why the ship ran aground. As long as they continue with their DEI appointments this shit is going to continue to happen. It’s embarrassing and the NZ taxpayers will have to foot the bill. The captain along with Judith “crusher” Collins should both be fired.
@@Tokolosh-v5n Both Collins and the Navy chief looked like rabbits in the headlights at the press conference.
It’s Monday, your day won’t be as bad as these guys had this weekend.
We are going to need honest answers about what has happened to this ship and to be frank I don’t trust anything any government says anymore. Even ones I voted for.
Probably held together by duct tape and good wishes, too much decrepit stuff being used to save money.
I have heard things about the navy over the years
We will never get the truth from the government about anything let alone some dei hire sinking our ship will she be paying our 100million back. Bet the navy give her a medal and say what a fantastic job she has done abandoning the ship oh that’s right they already have except for the medal that will come later
@@damionkeeling3103paid 103m for second hand oil platform work rig stated at time only worth 20m then spent a further 40+m on it to bring to navy spec. So total loss of about 150m plus cleanup costs should bring up to about 200m loss or bit less.
@@gregorymatthies5297yes. However, they failed to spend the money on upgrading the auto pilot and other ageing critical systems onboard. I also heard that there was a problem with the azipods. No one in the crew knew how to properly manage the Azipods during sailing. They should have paid a Norwegian, Danish or Dutch master to come across to tech them how to properly handle n AHTS vessel🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
After clicking on several vids about this, this is the first one that comments aren't turn off. The world wonders why?
NZ/ government controls Stuff and the Nz Herald and basically all the TV channels. Not unlike the former Sov Union.
Free speech should be allowed within reason!
How very Kiwi - having a navy that sinks its own ships!
Yes, but like scoring your own goal!
UK skipper
Well, it looks dirty. I think she thought it needed a clean.
Good it got past Bean Rock without incident.
Manawanui can mean 'lots of mangroves' so I guess the natural place to end up is along the coast somewhere.
I thought we had pride in our ships,not rust covered sides.still it won’t need painting now.tells you something about the crew.
The "pride" on our ships seems to be the problem in the end
Nothing to do with the crew, the paint touch ups allocation supply have halved
Why is the crew not in dress uniform for departure ? How deep is the wreck now ?
NZ doesn't acknowledge the defence forces, they don't appear in big parades, on tv or pretty much anywhere outside the towns the handful of bases are located in. There was a big flood last year and the army and navy helped out, that was the first time in several years I'd seen anything NZ military related. The Army band looks more like the Salvation Army brass band and they play a lot of jazz music and dance. The navy band if it still exists looks like a bunch of people in office suits and the airforce got rid of their band years ago for financial reasons - apparently maintaing a few brass instruments was too expensive or maybe there weren't enough people who could play after reducing the size of the airforce too much. They're not strike capable anymore, they operate some transport planes and helicopters for the army and navy mostly.
Having the ship leave like some generic container ship isn't surprising.
@@damionkeeling3103 If you look at the history of the Skyhawks they all got destroyed via prangs and the odd fatal accident until they th e remainder was ready for turning out to pasture. Nz took on equipment it could not afford to fly or replace. If you have single engine fighters it's clear you are going to have a lot of engine out losses.
Look at the rust pouring out of it
Not a worry now!
Something smells incredibly fishy
New Zealand Navy has barely any active surface ships and no air force with any combat capability either. How embarrassing to have to rely on Australia for its protection.
Just refresh me again who have the Ozzie armed services been battling with on our behalf to stop them over running us ? Is there a give a little page to help with the familes/children of the Australians killed in action so as I can be free ?
I thought Australia was depending on new Zealand. 😂
I once told an Aussie who commented on our lack of armed forces that Australian Corporations owned everything in NZ so let them defend the place,and pay for it.
Nice that a nearby cruise ship was equipped to take the crew to safety on a watm tropical beach. What was the capitain doing? Having a melt-down?
The result of the enquiry with particular influence of the Bio-Fuel trail will be of most interest!
It was a cursed ship. Jacinda blessed it.
Yeah
Pretty sloppy departure. Rust stains and the ensign wrapped around the ensign staff. Bad Yeoman and poor efforts from the XO.
A bit late to change now!
Not professional at all: No excuse for all that rust staining left like that and those on deck should have been smartly fallen in but were a shambles. Not surprising that unprofessional lot it ran into a well charted reef in daylight in good weather.
The enquiry is going to be a cover up. They will have to protect DEI policies.
This enquiry will probably not be held behind closed doors, there is to much public interest for that to occur.
They will also have to protect the Minister who praised the captain, and the captain now that the Minister has gone public with covering the captain with glory.
Exactly! They will blame the all male, white coral on that reef.
@@AirflowNZ Its still an enquiry conducted by the navy and government so theres no way it wont be a cover up to some degree. Judith already tried to paint the picture of the commander doing no wrong before the investigation even started FFS. The only way this enquiry could work if is the Australians conducted it (assuming their navy isnt completely woke like ours or some form of independent investigation).
Just need the titanic music in This
I thought a ship should last a bit longer.
So did we all!
Wow what a waste and who would of thought! Just another big blow to the country unfortunately!
WELL..shes got a lot more rust on her now !!
The ship has sadly sunk you cant see it now
No, it transitioned to a submarine. It's all cool.
And she never returns 😢
Did Everyone go Insane!
Obviously, the ship's noun is 'submarine'.
now at the bottom of the sea
Rip Edda Fonn🇳🇴🇳🇴💔😥
Transitioned to a submarine.
Good greef! What a disaster. Bound to effect my taxes. "Telephone for the "Resolution!"
Its gone.
yep 😔
What a travesty it's now a reef. But don't worry we are going to investigate ourselves.😂
Captain should be jailed
Bit too far I'd say
bit early, wait for the facts
It could of had a fire inside
@@Rowan331 it did as well
@@Storm_Wings11 I mean like it could of had a fire and the needed to get close to shore but they hit a reef
Poor boat ;(
The reef was probably made of coconuts and green bananas
Steering and Thruster malfunction. Then repeated hits to the reef and inability to free themselves. That’s what would’ve lead to the abandon ship. I bet $5 and a pie that’s the answer.
The Bigger question for the MIGHTY minds in Devonport is why a drone survey boat was not used near the reef - The technology for that has existed for 20 years or more.
@@F_Tim1961that is not the biggesr question. Wait until the inquiry and then judge the quality of the inquiry.
@@richardcox3713 They say they are going to put some Ozzie Admiral on the Board for transparency... we'll see how that goes.
@@F_Tim1961 maybe they were not actually surveying. Had they picked up a local pilot and cleared for entry? Had they just turned the pointy end toward Samoa and headed off….so many questions!
Cue the Laurel and Hardy music.
Or perhaps 20 thousand leagues under the sea?
How about some thoughts for the crew and their families.?
Thankfully there was no loss of life, could have been much different.
I think thoughts for those still recovering from the Hawkes Bay flood are more in order but it makes me wonder what happens to the crew careerwise. Layoffs? NZ can't afford to buy a replacement ship at the moment.
Нормальная была посудина. Я бы её не стал топить.
We will have to wait for result of official enquiry!
@@AirflowNZ Official investigation will be pure truth, no doubts...
NZ's 1st Submarine.🤭
I wonder when she is going to be raised?
Will there be a whitewash which exonerates the Captain and enables her retirement with a handsome bank balance?
Interim report due at the end of this month. Full report is a few months away. Both will be released to the public.
No guns on deck?
Are you afraid of hurting someones feelings?
She was a marine survey ship, now lying at the bottom of the sea in Sāmoa.
Who cares about polluting the beautiful ocean of Samoa
How is that old hunk of junk Wirth 1 mill
Jack, we should not always judge a book by its cover!
@@AirflowNZ it's a scam. No way it's worth that much.
It was not bought or operated to pay for itself. It was turning into a rust buvket.