Hell yea I agree. A close second is Mr Ballen… both are great storytellers. Thoughty 2 is way more entertaining and funny. Mr Ballen tells serious tales and ghost stories.
Well as we learned from Zoolander, male models make good spies because they're really, really good looking, and people like them. I suspect the same applies to exotic dancers.
Wow--if her father was a hatter, even before her family fell apart she would have had a rough time, right from the start. You couldn't make hats in those days without absorbing mind-boggling amounts of mercury (literally mind-boggling--it drove hatters mad.) So her life must have been chaotic and traumatic from birth.
I just explained to someone the other day why in Alice in wonderland the characters name was Mad Hatter. Interesting story that a lot of people just don’t know or haven’t heard of
@@cholieandresa It's also a saying: "as mad as a hatter". I don't know if that saying was derived from Alice in Wonderland or that it was used before the book was written.
Another perfectly done video by the ageless wonder that is Thoughty2. Great video as always. Thanks for all the great videos and information over the years. Class act if there ever was one. Also the horizontal diplomacy comment killed me lol.
Lol Fate is such utter fucking trash ass garbage... 🤣 It would have been MUCH better off staying as the trashy hentai visual novel it originally was (aka the story was about as important as any other story in porn... as in not at all beyond being a scaffolding to wrap the sex scene payoff's around) than getting high on its on supply and deciding it actually WASN'T the schlocky "Choose Your Own Adventure, but Porn!" it was and instead some deep, quality story strong enough to support a MASSIVE franchise. 🤷 Without the sex scenes Fate's narrative is about as strong and enjoyable as any other porn movie with the sex scenes ripped out. Aka, not at all. (The only partial exception to this being when Ufotable realized that Fate's story is absolutely fucking trash and cannot support itself, and thus tried to replace all the sex with legitimately insane fight scene choreography instead in UBW.)
Wow your sence of humor never fails us. Thank you very much for all your input. I just love the way you tell the stories.. May you be blessed with many more happy years of story telling.... 😅😅
Poor Daisy!* * The stage name she took seems to have been a play on her real name: 'Eye of the Day' ( _mata hari_ in Indonesian), is of course the English etymological root for 'daisy' ( _marguerite_ in French, _Margerite_ in German).
4:44 That's part of getting divorced. I had to do something like that when I go divorced in the mid 1970's. Post a notice in the local paper, personal section, "I am no longer responsible for any debts other than my own" It's just what you did in 1975.
Mr. Brownlee is one of those who has almost all of the toys in life, and that's why Thoughty used him to compare to these fictional movie spies. Please recognise a compliment, God, this world really is not ready for beautiful people. Fight over what?? Grammar? Bless your soul.
I am enjoying some of your video's this morning and I'd like to thank you; for telling the stories in a way that it's possible for me to follow along, even though my eyesight doesn't work too well anymore.
Hey Ervin here😁 I love what you do and watched all your video back since you’ve started , keep the good work up 💪🏻 I also would like to point out that around 5:17 in the video you’ve mentioned Paris in the 19 hundreds but it shows 1990’s instead I just want to help to get it corrected 😇 All the best mate
Riveting as usual. It's been a while since I've tuned in, only to find a treasure chest. Exciting topics, Brilliant narration, excellent puns and witty to boot! Thanks!
I had heard of her but didn't know the details of her life...and what a life! She was very brave - and ironically for one so desired, ultimately alone. Thanks Aaron - really enjoyed her story...and the plethora of puns. 😂😂😂
I drank 2 beers, and I eat a bowl of popcorn while watching Matahari story. Even my schnauzer Bingo, was glue to the screen and watched quietly. Keep up the good work sir 🍻
The first time I heard about this fascinating woman was through a game called Identity V (as all of the game's character's are inspired by historical figures), so it's really cool to get her true condensed story here. I was honestly shocked when I saw the name Margaretha Zelle show up and got instantly excited lol
Something lovely was created in the space between British and American pronunciation. I initially heard "sworded sexuality" (about 13:50), instead of "sordid sexuality". Thank you.
Don't capitalize your comments, unless you can't read the letters...in which case I pray you find some readers! Everyone feels like your comment is shouted
My father picked me up from school today, and he brought my phone. I really hope he didn’t look at my notifications, because I’d really hate it if he looked and saw : Why was history’s greatest whatever was an erotic dancer.
Mata Hari does literally mean “eye of the dawn/day”, but in modern Indonesian/Malay it simply means the sun. You’ll be very familiar with her name if you ever get into the language 😌
Thank you for this more-in-depth story than I was told in my youth. I was never curious about Mata Hari enough to even google her, but there was lingering curiosity. I believe you have sated that curiosity.
0:47: 💃 Matahari, a famous erotic dancer and double agent, defied the typical spy stereotypes in Hollywood. 3:15: ⚡ The tumultuous relationship between Margarita and Rudolph, marked by violence, infidelity, and the tragic death of their son. 6:43: 💃 Mata Hari's fame as a high-class stripper turned escort continued to thrive during World War I. 10:22: 🕵 Matahari was a double agent, working for both France and Germany during World War I. 13:15: 💔 Matahari, a known personality, became a scapegoat for France's problems during World War I. Recap by Tammy AI
3:55 I want to add a minor correction. Mata Hari translated literally should be "Eye of the Day", not just dawn time. But the actual translation of "Matahari" is the Sun.
One of the most saddest stories in history. A woman living in a world where women were treated as objects. A world where women didn't have any choice of freedom or happiness. Forced to either lie, cheat, give eternal servitude to a man, or sell their body just to survive. Pushed around and used by other people until her usefulness ran out. And then discarded like trash. A shame to everyone involved at that time.
Your forgetting there was tons of Normal people living normal lives even back then. She choose her path and forged it. She could've married a chill farmer dude and lived a longer fullfilling life. I like how we take all the accountability off the woman. She was a product of a broken home and became part of the statistic. The only real tragedy here was She didn't have a good stable family. Just like John Dillonger did the things he did she choose the things She wanted to do. Choices have Consequences. Alot of people didn't recieve due process like her during the war time.
@@roshill2010 you are literally saying that she should have given her life to a man. no matter what occupation that man would have had, it would have been the exact same thing, she would have been financially and socially dependant on that man thanks to the laws and society back then.
Hey! Love your content. Why do you always change the name of your videos within the first hours? Is it some kind clickbait trick? Or to trick the algorithm? Just curious.
It's tough to say that someone who got caught was the greatest spy ever... I would think the best spy went completely unknown lol What a fascinating life though, and like you said, amazingly large metaphorical balls!
I may note one rarely mistake you made: At the insert at 5:16 you wrote "Paris, 1990s" whilst talking about the 19th century. ;-) But as always, great video!
10:44 the Dutch flag is upside down. It's red, white and blue. 🇳🇱🇳🇱 I had no idea Mata Hara was Dutch. Also, I didn't actually knew this story. I wish we were thaught this is school!
I read a book about her Something like "I spy" or something I don't remember for sure And in that book she was labelled as innocent and writer really loved her lol
Man I love your puns. Best storyteller alive you are!
Hell yea I agree. A close second is Mr Ballen… both are great storytellers. Thoughty 2 is way more entertaining and funny. Mr Ballen tells serious tales and ghost stories.
@@chezoneinfamous4379agreed
@@chezoneinfamous4379 Are you a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious delivered in story format?
@@deehinker1848 of course
I'm pretty sure he doesn't write the scripts all by himself but I agree he's really good at telling stories.
She failed to get any useful information, and was killed shortly into her ops, but was the greatest spy of all time 😂😂😂
*female spy
For real
I love your channel man, these past days I’ve been absolutely binging your content. Please keep ‘em coming
Seen em’ all, this guys is my first click when he drops.
LOL absolutely same! I just wish there was more I could watch by him 😂
Same 😅
Easy, you can get through them quick. Fortunately they're worth going back to listen again in between uploads.
Me too 😂
Many thanks from this Dutch viewer of your channel. Your video did her life's story more justice than most others.
Well as we learned from Zoolander, male models make good spies because they're really, really good looking, and people like them. I suspect the same applies to exotic dancers.
Really, really, RIDICULOUSLY good looking! Lol
Long cringe
But why male models?
😂
You watched Zoolander and _learned_ something?
Crikey, that's an embarrassing thing to admit to in public!
Pillow-talk No Jutsu Never fails
Real
I mean...it literally did. She wasn't the great spy everyone made of her and she got killed. 🤷♂️
Remember it's only gay if you make eye contact ...
But it did.
You have a unique way of story telling. Always capturing the hearts of the listeners
The injection of that British humour into historical retelling makes it that more enjoyable. 👏👏
Wow--if her father was a hatter, even before her family fell apart she would have had a rough time, right from the start. You couldn't make hats in those days without absorbing mind-boggling amounts of mercury (literally mind-boggling--it drove hatters mad.) So her life must have been chaotic and traumatic from birth.
I just explained to someone the other day why in Alice in wonderland the characters name was Mad Hatter. Interesting story that a lot of people just don’t know or haven’t heard of
@@cholieandresa It's also a saying: "as mad as a hatter". I don't know if that saying was derived from Alice in Wonderland or that it was used before the book was written.
@@cholieandresalike Mona Lisa’s and mad hatters - Elton John
All of this is nigh common knowledge by this point.
@@Ozymandias1 It was used before the book was written and inspired the character in Alice in Wonderland.
Always a good day when Thoughty2 uploads
Another perfectly done video by the ageless wonder that is Thoughty2. Great video as always. Thanks for all the great videos and information over the years. Class act if there ever was one. Also the horizontal diplomacy comment killed me lol.
To think she was immortalized in type-moon's fate as a cheery but seductive assassin class heroic spirit.
That's where i know her. :D
Lol Fate is such utter fucking trash ass garbage... 🤣 It would have been MUCH better off staying as the trashy hentai visual novel it originally was (aka the story was about as important as any other story in porn... as in not at all beyond being a scaffolding to wrap the sex scene payoff's around) than getting high on its on supply and deciding it actually WASN'T the schlocky "Choose Your Own Adventure, but Porn!" it was and instead some deep, quality story strong enough to support a MASSIVE franchise. 🤷
Without the sex scenes Fate's narrative is about as strong and enjoyable as any other porn movie with the sex scenes ripped out. Aka, not at all. (The only partial exception to this being when Ufotable realized that Fate's story is absolutely fucking trash and cannot support itself, and thus tried to replace all the sex with legitimately insane fight scene choreography instead in UBW.)
Fr even before clicking on the video I knew that the video is going to he about her just by reading the title
@@rias.gremoryyyanyone who played fgo would know who that spy exotic dancer is.
true
Wow your sence of humor never fails us. Thank you very much for all your input. I just love the way you tell the stories.. May you be blessed with many more happy years of story telling.... 😅😅
Poor Daisy!*
* The stage name she took seems to have been a play on her real name: 'Eye of the Day' ( _mata hari_ in Indonesian), is of course the English etymological root for 'daisy' ( _marguerite_ in French, _Margerite_ in German).
4:44 That's part of getting divorced. I had to do something like that when I go divorced in the mid 1970's. Post a notice in the local paper, personal section, "I am no longer responsible for any debts other than my own" It's just what you did in 1975.
0:15 I still think Marques has more gadgets than a spy. Fight me.
This guy jhus said they have more gadgets than marques brownlee😂😂😂😂
i just realized it was 0:11 not 0:15, a few seconds earlier @@umarsean5846
Mr. Brownlee is one of those who has almost all of the toys in life, and that's why Thoughty used him to compare to these fictional movie spies. Please recognise a compliment, God, this world really is not ready for beautiful people. Fight over what?? Grammar? Bless your soul.
😂😂😂
@@lucasapinya8832 would you stop laughing at us and fight us!
I mean- hey that was a good one wasn't it? Wanna crack another one?
I loved your whole presentation for this video! It's excellent. The accent is adorable, too.
Literally, while watching your videos I think "this video is so good" every 30 seconds... your content is great!!!!!!!
Youre storytelling is amazing!
I am enjoying some of your video's this morning and I'd like to thank you; for telling the stories in a way that it's possible for me to follow along, even though my eyesight doesn't work too well anymore.
Growing up in the Netherlands, I only ever learned of Margaretha Zelle (MataHari) as a war hero 🤔 Several streets and bridges are name after her too 🤗
wow, great content as always. very interesting story of a woman who lived a very tragic and dangerous life. Thank you
Hey
Ervin here😁
I love what you do and watched all your video back since you’ve started , keep the good work up 💪🏻
I also would like to point out that around 5:17 in the video you’ve mentioned Paris in the 19 hundreds but it shows 1990’s instead
I just want to help to get it corrected 😇
All the best mate
Loved the clip. Especially the necrophilac Crack at the end😅
"He would have had a harder job convincing a fish to stop swimming." lmao okay Douglas Adams
Riveting as usual. It's been a while since I've tuned in, only to find a treasure chest. Exciting topics, Brilliant narration, excellent puns and witty to boot! Thanks!
Top notch as always 42, and before I get comments, I know, but unless you know, then you'll probably comment. Brilliant vlog.
What a beautiful way for your pronunciation of french words at 5:30 😍
(Living in Quebec, I should know )🤔🤔🤔
Wonderful episode, Thoughty2! I've missed quite a few of yours in the last few months; will need to spend some time catching up; I always enjoy them!
“Greatest spy”
Got caught and executed by a firing squad…
Guess the benchmark isn’t too high! 🤣
Let's be honest the greatest spy will never be known and happy about it.
Feels like hes insulting her making fun of her life with that titlte
This is an excellent piece of research. I love the clear reasoning and even handed way you deal with facts. Thank You.
I had heard of her but didn't know the details of her life...and what a life! She was very brave - and ironically for one so desired, ultimately alone. Thanks Aaron - really enjoyed her story...and the plethora of puns. 😂😂😂
"They have access to more high-tech gadgets than Marcus Brownlee" 00:11 is just too good lmao
I drank 2 beers, and I eat a bowl of popcorn while watching Matahari story. Even my schnauzer Bingo, was glue to the screen and watched quietly. Keep up the good work sir 🍻
The first time I heard about this fascinating woman was through a game called Identity V (as all of the game's character's are inspired by historical figures), so it's really cool to get her true condensed story here. I was honestly shocked when I saw the name Margaretha Zelle show up and got instantly excited lol
What's the Mata?
Something lovely was created in the space between British and American pronunciation. I initially heard "sworded sexuality" (about 13:50), instead of "sordid sexuality". Thank you.
WELL DONE. MY EXWIFE FROM ICELAND HAD A BOUTIQUE IN REYKJAVIK CALLED MATA HARI - I SENT HER A LINK TO YOUR FABULOUS STORY
Don't capitalize your comments, unless you can't read the letters...in which case I pray you find some readers! Everyone feels like your comment is shouted
Waaaaiiiittt…… 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Norman died from what!? 4:19
How!? 😂🤣 4:19
My father picked me up from school today, and he brought my phone. I really hope he didn’t look at my notifications, because I’d really hate it if he looked and saw : Why was history’s greatest whatever was an erotic dancer.
i haven’t watched your vids in so long. looking great buddy. glad to be back here
Amazing mini documentary!!
Pretty sure it wasnt in the 1990's at 5:14 🤣
At 5:14 - it needs to be 1890s, not 1990s. La Belle Époque is approximately from the 1870 to 1914. Other than that, great video!🤩
Exceptionally well done and told. Thank you and forward to others. Tom.
10:59 Can we all agree that 'travelling to Madrid' just sounds like something horizontal diplomats would do?
great video again. such a coool and valuable chanel.
Lol. Carl Cremer! Thanks for the video Thoughty2 and always love the mustache... wait😮! Lol
There are more jokes lately. Love it
Mata Hari does literally mean “eye of the dawn/day”, but in modern Indonesian/Malay it simply means the sun. You’ll be very familiar with her name if you ever get into the language 😌
I guess you could say “It's a killer moves”
Thank you for this more-in-depth story than I was told in my youth. I was never curious about Mata Hari enough to even google her, but there was lingering curiosity. I believe you have sated that curiosity.
05:16 Paris 1990.... The progress we've had in 33 years is worthy of a conspiracy theory 😂
0:47: 💃 Matahari, a famous erotic dancer and double agent, defied the typical spy stereotypes in Hollywood.
3:15: ⚡ The tumultuous relationship between Margarita and Rudolph, marked by violence, infidelity, and the tragic death of their son.
6:43: 💃 Mata Hari's fame as a high-class stripper turned escort continued to thrive during World War I.
10:22: 🕵 Matahari was a double agent, working for both France and Germany during World War I.
13:15: 💔 Matahari, a known personality, became a scapegoat for France's problems during World War I.
Recap by Tammy AI
Older than a good stilton?! To funny. Love your videos. As a cheese lover I appreciate that humor. Thanks & be well.
5:15 Don't think that was the early 1990's 😂
🎉 Brilliant ! Love it !!🎉
Her life was very sad.
She really got the shaft. (many times)
The hard end of the stick, as they say...
She got rogered royally 🙃
Ba Da Boom!
Danm😂😂😂😂😂
OMG. “Had more access to hi tech gadgets than Marques Brownlee” 😂😂
3:55 I want to add a minor correction. Mata Hari translated literally should be "Eye of the Day", not just dawn time. But the actual translation of "Matahari" is the Sun.
With all the double entendres.... well, this just might be your masterpiece.
5:15
I did not know that in early 1990s, they still rode horses in Paris :D
Your biggest fan from Kenya 🇰🇪 I look forward to every new video. Thank you 😊
Bro, you’re on NETFLIX!!!! “MH370 the plane that disappeared” there’s a clip of YOU.
Such a tragic story, masterfully told.
One of the most saddest stories in history. A woman living in a world where women were treated as objects. A world where women didn't have any choice of freedom or happiness. Forced to either lie, cheat, give eternal servitude to a man, or sell their body just to survive. Pushed around and used by other people until her usefulness ran out. And then discarded like trash. A shame to everyone involved at that time.
Your forgetting there was tons of Normal people living normal lives even back then.
She choose her path and forged it. She could've married a chill farmer dude and lived a longer fullfilling life.
I like how we take all the accountability off the woman.
She was a product of a broken home and became part of the statistic.
The only real tragedy here was She didn't have a good stable family.
Just like John Dillonger did the things he did she choose the things She wanted to do. Choices have Consequences.
Alot of people didn't recieve due process like her during the war time.
Ahh.. the good old days.
@@roshill2010 you are literally saying that she should have given her life to a man. no matter what occupation that man would have had, it would have been the exact same thing, she would have been financially and socially dependant on that man thanks to the laws and society back then.
What’s changed
Have you given any thought to the soldiers experience ?
This was a good video.
Very tragic tale.
Seriously look forward to new videos from you! I have already binge your entire channel ❤
"Except for necrophiliacs... sorry..."
Lmao love it.
Interesting story, thanks for sharing!
Hey! Love your content. Why do you always change the name of your videos within the first hours? Is it some kind clickbait trick? Or to trick the algorithm? Just curious.
A lot of channels do the same thing. They try to find the optimal video name or thumbnail that gets the most clicks. Click-thru-rate or whatever
I could've sworn this video was titled along the lines of "The world was shocked when this dancer died..." and not Meet the Best Spy Who Ever Lived
The best spy who lived and we know of is probably - Sir Ian McKellen
A Thoughty2 video before work? Lets goooooo 🔥
It's tough to say that someone who got caught was the greatest spy ever... I would think the best spy went completely unknown lol
What a fascinating life though, and like you said, amazingly large metaphorical balls!
Well done, thanks for sharing
2:55 Tell us MOAR about the $2.49 PANCAKE BREAKFAST SPECIAL... seems a bit pricey for even for years after 1902
Er... "MOAR"????
5:17 - States 1990s, but I’m guessing that minor error is supposed to be early 1900s.
5:14 The text reads "early 1990s"(?!).
Thank you! 🎉❤❤❤❤
Loved when Phoebe Halliwell (Alyssa Milano) portrayed Mata Hari in Used Karma episode (Season 06 Episode 13 - Used Karma❤
4:30 "Their relationship hadn't exactly been a modern retelling of romeo and julliet to begin with..." oh! Good for them!
Best content on TH-cam are on this channel.
Wooo! New Thoughty2!
I like your channels!
Great video!
thoughty2 puns are in the class of their own!!!
I may note one rarely mistake you made: At the insert at 5:16 you wrote "Paris, 1990s" whilst talking about the 19th century. ;-)
But as always, great video!
I was going to post he same, though he's talking about the "early 1900s" not the 19th century, which would encompass the 1800s.
One of the best channel on TH-cam 🔥
Just when I thought this channel couldn't get any better you uploaded this episode! Much love from New Orleans - keep rocking on!
😂 5:14 😂 I seriously doubt that was the 1990s
A video about Yukio Mishima would be surreal..!
This one was really good 👏
Shoot, they get your wallet, your secrets, and your soul.
Great video, as always 🎉🎉
@5:15 I think there's a typo, it says 1990, I believe you meant 1890. Cheers
I always hear at the beginning “Hey 42 here.”
Yea so does everyone else
I think that's on purpose and an h2g2 reference. 😂
10:44 the Dutch flag is upside down. It's red, white and blue. 🇳🇱🇳🇱
I had no idea Mata Hara was Dutch. Also, I didn't actually knew this story. I wish we were thaught this is school!
As an MKBHD fan who loves Thoughty2, I loved that high-tech reference.
Yes I saw her spying on me in my room last night
I read a book about her
Something like "I spy" or something I don't remember for sure
And in that book she was labelled as innocent and writer really loved her lol
8:45 BRO'S SO WILD FOR THIS 💀
Fascinating history.