Full Ride Report from My First outing on 2003 Honda CR250R
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Here we go. Sam and I discuss the things we felt/learned after riding the 2003 Honda CR250R back to back with his more modern 2018 KTM 250 XC. Yes, the Honda is a good starting platform to work from, but we need to continue to fine tune it in order to make this bike work as a woods/singletrack/enduro bike.
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This is a bike that's won more races than any other dirtbike on the planet. Keep riding it, get the suspension dialed stop thinking about it and give it hell.
not on single track
@@crazykracing9320 very true, great for motocross though. I actually have an 03 cr250r and ride it all the time, love every second of it.
They arent racing they are doing tighter technical trails
It has won harescrambles an was running erzberg like a champ. The honda just doesn't cater to improper slow riding. As the 17+ models he probably hates too
CR250R is a race bike , closed circuit race bike.. it's meant to be driven hard through corners ,not to pull the clutch in and roll around corners or rail Berms ...it's meant to be driven through corners... that means throttle on... that means steering with the rear end ...that means keeping the front end planted to the ground at the right pressure using the throttle ...that doesn't equate to a good off-road bike ...that equates to a good motocross bike but not a not a good trail bike .......I think that is the point here.... and I think they've expressed that point gratuitously...
It will work great in the woods with a faster more aggressive rider. Do you see how this man sits in a corner!! Gary bailey would break his whip on this dudes wrist. Faster is usually safer too. Don't take advice from this guy.
@@justinclackler8990 I have no idea why Kyle rides 2-strokes. He rides like he's on a 4-stroke. He was complaining about the non linear torque...... isn't that the point of a 2-stroke?
Personally, I use my cr 250 for everything. Trails, on the track. Wheelies. And your absolutely correct. It’s better for aggressive riders. While he says and acts like the cr is supposed to be an “enduro bike”, it’s not. But if your aggressive enough. You learn to rip hard on it. And use every bit of it to your advantage.
Just thought it should be mentioned that Ricky Carmichael secured back to back SX and MX National Championships in 02-03 on this bike as well as an unbelievable perfect season in 02 winning all 24 motos he entered in the MX series.
Yes the bike was good but Carmichael could win on pretty much any bike. Most everyone knows that it's 80% Rider and 20% bike.
Not bashing because I love Honda, but this bike is set up for a Carmichael type rider.
- Sagging the rear (short rider) to get weight off the forks.
- Wide open throttle performance ALL THE TIME to plow through everything.
- Small rider triangle for short people and taller people can't stand comfortably.
It almost seems Honda planned on bringing on Carmichael to race (sell) red bikes and they developed the bike around that rider. Maybe??
I loved my '98. Awesome mid and top. Bottom end power was okay, and ergonomics catered to taller rider. The "stiff" frame was not something that bothered me at all. The motor was so good, you could bolt it to a 2x4 and still love riding.
It just sounds like you haven't set the bike up properly. You refreshed everything besides the most important thing...the suspension.
Man I wish Honda would bring these back... take a 03 ktms and compare them lol
Agreed
Ktm would blow up lol
The 03 Ktm handling sucks,but the ktm motor for that year is a beast
I used to race the 03 ktms because they were free at the time motor was good on the 125, but they were terrible compared to the hondas at cornering! In the 250 class the honda was literally better in every aspect except the clutch
Don't even get me started on the suspension, we thought we could get ahead by buying the 3400 works suspension ktm offered then. It still wasn't as good as set up Japanese brands
I picked up a brand new 05 Cr250 in 2008 and have been riding it since. Taller bars and fastway pegs in the low setting. Fmf gnarly pipe which really woke up the bottom end. Also had the head milled by rb design to run better on pump gas. Also ditched the stock carb and put a keihn carb. I ride mostly single track and honestly I love it! I can rip on the bike. But... I have not rode any newer Ktms. I think anyone can rip on what they get used too! I’ve got some videos on my channel of riding if interested
I've been riding 32+ years , the last 5 years mostly on my 01cr250r and keeping up if not railing most of my friends and the people i encounter on their newer machines . this has been one of my best bikes ever . electric start , never really needed it , bike starts 1st- 2nd kick unless its been sitting upside down . im in Colorado and rampart range is an hour away , lots of technical single track , bike eats it up . rode a bunch of the skinny ridge's in grand junction , same thing , frikin railin it . i have less than 2 grand into bike total . pc works pipe , air-striker carb , larger tank , headlight , stator , re-gear , rg3 top tripple clamp , pegs , tune suspension and all the guards , skid , pipe , hand , disk and radiator . most everything was purchased on Craigslist etc. Alot has to do with the rider , find a bike you like and get comfortable with it . i just picked a yamaha 95 wr250z 2t , rode it 40 miles at rampart the other week , gonna love smoking these kids on their ktm300's and 450ies with it but CR250's rule
I really enjoy this project and your reviews. Whenever we take someone with us who has an MX bike and tries to ride gnarly Rocky Mountain trails with us, it just rarely ever works. For those who think you whine about the lack of e-start, they have simply never experienced the joy of having it when stuck on the side of a precarious hill with no means to balance the bike to kick start it when it dies. E-start is a life saver. Gearing and suspension on MX bikes are simply not correct for technical singletrack. Yep, some riders manage it, but they don't know what they are missing if they've never ridden a modern 2-stroke off road machine with the happy button, proper gearing, and a cushy suspension. Hope you and your family have a very happy holiday season.
Kyle this is a brilliant build series and you have set TH-cam alight with this one! There is a lot of us that have bought older bikes (as that is the only thing we could afford) and have tried to improve them to we enjoy them even more. I know that you will persevere and get the CR dial in and she will be running close to the other big dogs in this market segment! Keep on creating this type of content as we love the channel for it, there are more guys and gals currently riding "older" bikes than the latest and greatest 2018/2019 model bikes at the moment.
Try taking the ktm and the Honda to a motocross track and see how they compare.
5Foot2 Honda that isn’t the point...
Ryan Rummler I know but I think it would be interesting to see how a trail bike does on a motocross track vs a track bike.
The KTM would win 😂
Honda would win on Mx track
I actually have a completely restored 04 cr250 mainly stock just blingy. And this does better on my local mx track than a new Ktm. The front bites hard on Honda, meaning all the other stuff negligible because you can corner faster. The cr is harder to ride but if I were going for speed the ancient honda wins all day! Although it feels like I'm riding a horse between the legs lol
I own a 2002 KX250 and ride woods. One of the first things I did was install a flywheel weight. It made a huge difference in low end torque, traction, and helped me to stall less often. The best mod I made was to get the suspension re-valved. Getting the suspension correct was a game changer in my riding ability and confidence to take on more technical terrain. The vintage CR will never be as good as a new KTM but with the flywheel weight and re-valved suspension you should be able to keep up with your buddies.
Hondas have always been a fast mx riders choice, it needs to be on the pipe all the time and that front end grip is what you need for mx, it not for dordling around !
Yup
Love your vids. I had a 2001 cr250. It was a rocket but like you say its not great just trail riding , it wants to be wide open flying off supercross jumps.
If you want a mor liner power you can lower the ignition. It work out good on my Cr 125. I made the hole oval on the ignition plate so I could turn it. 1-2mm makes a huge difference! Looking forward to see how this bike build turnes out! 😊
I own an 2017 ktm exc 250, 1998 Honda cr500 and a 1981 Maico 490. The Maico is by far the most fun to ride, it sure is old but it doesn't feel outdated at all.
I would die to ride that bike! Can we swap bikes for a day in the future??? Lmbo You'd probably let me come within about 10ft of the Maico's proximity, and that's probably about it!!?? And who could blame you? Those bikes are amazingly powerful - always ready to bark & bite!!! They are still to this day one of the most gorgeous bikes ever made...way more exotic and beautiful than a large amount of modern day bikes!
So when can we arrange this play date? Lol You never know...you might take me on my offer if you'd be interested in riding the new series of the carborated TM EN300ES. I find the bike very well designed and engineered...you can get all two stroke in fuel injected form or carborated according to what the buyer prefers. Maico's stopped production not too long after 81, am I right? LUCKY dude, man. Lucky dude...
I love my 02 CR 250 ! No complaints
$7 GRAND for rebuilding that CR250?? Bro, I love your channel and your videos, but you need a new parts supplier. I have a 2004 CR250 that I rebuilt myself from the ground up; complete new bottom end, new OEM bearings, Millennium Tech rebuilt the crank with a Pro-X rod, brand new OEM cylinder, Wisco forged piston, I rebuilt the lower linkage, had my swingarm repaired by Trick Engineering, rebuilt the rear shock, new OEM front sprocket, new chain, went up to a 52T rear sprocket, swapped the carb to a new Keihin AS from JD Jetting, had my suspension revalved and resprung for my weight and tuned for trail/woods riding, replaced the rear wheel with a Tusk 18" (relaced using OEM hub) and threw on a new IRC VE33S, new front tire, new graphics, new Tusk rear brakes rotor guard, new seat cover, new Wiseco billet clutch basket, a new clutch pack and a Devol Racing skid plate... With all of that I know I spent about 1/4 of that $7,043 that you spent on parts alone. I didn't see the need for a flywheel weight because I've learned, and still learning, to use the clutch to grab that low end torque when I need it. E-start, ehhh, if you like and have to have it, good for you. LOL Learning to kick over your bike on a tall hillside, or whatever, only makes you a better trail/woods rider IMO. (Plus I'm not dependant on a battery operated system that if it fails out in the woods and I have no kickstart, I'm pushing all the way back to the parking lot.) I think you just went way overboard in what you (say you) spent on the CR250 just to make a case for the KTM. I'm not a good trail rider by no means, but my CR250 has zero problems keeping up with my friends Shercos, KTMs and Husqvarnas. It also glides right up the same technical hill climbs that their bikes do. But I know it's supposed to be an apples to oranges comparison... but it seemed like the video was more geared towards trying to make the CR250 (along with the insane, useless amount of money you spent on "upgrades") a comparable bike to the KTM, only to point out an older MX bike's shortcomings on the trails to a much newer bike that was factory built for the trails.
I own the 2000 Honda CR250R and everything you described is true and I had always felt that way but hearing you talk about it made me convinced I wasnt wrong. LOL. I did put a 12 oz flywheel on it and it allowed me to trail around more.
Hey Kyle. Nice review on the bike. It seems like that bike is made for someone 5'5" with tiny feet. I have a YZ250R converted to trail, and I have the same problem with plow. I jumped on my buddies KTM 250 2 stroke, and the handling and turning was so much better. Some of the things I have done to make the YZ250 trail worthy: Gnarly Pipe, Boyesen Power Reeds, Hi Compression Head, Flywheel Weight, Rekluse Clutch. With those mods, I have a ton of low end power and can lug up a steep trail in third gear without it dying. I think the Boyesen Power Reeds make an improvement on low end because it's a dual stage reed. One set opens on low end, next set opens for top end. That is a very cheap mod which may instantly give that bike more torque. Have fun!
It’s not about the bike. Get better at riding.
Yep
Exactly, a great rider could still smoke the average rider on a 40 yearold xl 185 lol so all this talk 2019 ktm or the new lectron carburetor that is just irrelevant crap as the average rider reaches nowhere near the capabilities of a standard bike.
It's a mx bike on trails? It's not as good as the ktm and it's not built for the same things. So yeah that's not a good bike for trails unless they are wide open
@@jacklaughlin5782 , bull lighter springs rates and off you go
80% rider 20% bike I’ve heard all my life, I’m just saying, I was always glad just to have a bike. I passed plenty of newer KTM’s on my 86’ IT 200, granted, it had YZ 250 suspension and motor work and pipe, but still, 25 yr old equip and it would do what you wanted, trust me.
I have a 2000 CR250R and at first I found it hard to corner but after some minor adjustments on my suspension settings and fork & bar position I found it improved the handling a lot. Mind you I’m 135lbs so I can’t really muscle the bike around much. Positioning is everything.
Most about riding a dirt bike is a mind game. And a lot of it is about skill. 80% rider 20% bike!
Two different bikes, each with its own purpose. The flywheel weight will help and so will dropping the gearing. Did the same thing on a YZ 250 2 smoker for the woods and it helped out a lot. More seat time and getting used to the platform of the bike helped too. That said, riding the KTM is like using a surgeon's knife to cut through the woods-that's where it shines.
Sounds like a session of bash Honda, All Hale KTM... Hahaha
Man so true KTM riders are so bias towards other bikes
Loosen up the power valve cables and it will be just right for the level of riders riding it. All beginners should do this on the case reed CR250's. Just keeping it real here.
He is totally a beginner that pretends to be an expert. Don't get your advice from dirtbike channel
Justin Clackler these guys started to make me not want to buy a cr250 but then i realized these guys have been spoiled on 2018 ktms that are built for this stuff, alot of people in utah just use mx bikes for offroad anyways😂 as long as u find a clean bike and u maintain it u will have fun!
@@Toobluejzs147 yep. Not sure how the trails are in Utah, but for faster rides and more skilled riders the honda might actually be more fun for ya. Don't get me wrong ktms are great bikes for every type of rider the honda is for aggressive riders. And mr. Dirtbike is very far from being aggressive so of course his test was bad of the bike.
I mean it's still an older bike, but it is cheaper and more fun to ride to me. It's more of a track bike I will say. But a few guys rip on them still to this day in the harescrambles. I got smoked in the woods by one on my 2019 crf450 in the tight woods in A class last year. All about the rider. A yz 250 is probably a better choice but the cr250 is the only bike in the world that's had a perfect season! Truth be told any race bike is far better than the rider. These comparisons are like go cart racers reviewing F1 cars truly.
Justin Clackler i know i wish the would have compared it to a 2001 250sx but i guess they were just trying to show it better to buy a new bike, i freakin love older 2 smokers though🤘🏾
I rebuilt ‘98 CR250 for single track, it’s scary aggressive! Ricocheted off two trees first month!
Honda CR250R. Even though it’s been out of production in the U.S. since 2007, the CR probably won more combined amateur and professional races than any other motorcycle in the dirt world. And they are still out there winning. The CR is a hot commodity on the used-bike market, and on start lines across America, they still outnumber many current models. I would suggest getting suspension and tyre pressure dialed in. Ricky Carmichael kicked some serious arse on this bike. No more poo poo on the CR250 thank you.
JM has no problem riding his mx bike like a trials bike. Its all about seat time.
I found on my cr 250 if you put the front forks 20mm higher in the triple clamp it makes the steering a lot more better
Picked up my 2003 CR250R brand new in 2005 as left over stock, for $3500. The only real mod I did besides replacing sprockets and chains, was a Pro Circuit pipe. I mainly only replaced that pipe due to putting a big dent in the stock pipe. Had fun on it for years but a due to a small wreck, where the throttle went wide open and I got tossed, the bike died. I want to get it repaired, looked at some similar year used cr250s that were still going near for what I paid for mine. Ultimately I ended up trading one of my little ridden Harleys in on a CRF450RL. I still think I'm going to get my CR250 fixed.
Interesting ... I picked up an '06 CR a few years ago, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it corners and handles. I do agree with your assessment of the engine, though. Richening the jetting a bit will help.
Brought one them new best bike I ever own
I love this channel. I am your fan for a long time and your channel made my bike decision easy. I love 2strokes and I had a husky wr 125 from 2008, but I have ridden many other bikes. 4strokes and 2strokes. Husqvarna was fine, just like any other enduro 125 2stroke, but as I got better at riding I wanted more power. And that husky kept breaking down all the time. It was in perfect condition, but there were so many issues. I have put so much money into it and still I could not rely on it. In july this year I sold that husky and bought a 2015 beta rr 300 from a friend. That beta had only 25hours on it at the time I bought it. Price was also amazing, since that guy sells beta's in Austria and Switzerland. And I can tell that I have not been on a better bike yet. Enduro 300 2stroke engine is amazing. I love that beta. Yes, it was a big jump from 125 2stroke to 300, but I made a great decision. Some people kept telling me that I should not buy 300 since it has so much torque and power, but I am happy I did. Beta vibrates quite a lot, but I felt it only on the first rides,so it not an issue for me. I have not ridden any TPI yet, but ai don't think I am missing out so much. I enjoy that 300 2stroke bottom end power so much. It can get you in and out of trouble easily. And if there would not be DBC I would have not bought my dream bike. Thanks Kyle for all the work. 🙂
Please don't take your dirtbike advice from a guy who couldn't win a C class race if his life depended on it there are plenty of pros out there, this dude has a better chance of getting you hurt than help
I'm currently building a 2002 CR250r as a woods bike. Suspension work, gnarly pipe, v-force reeds, and the best upgrade is the SmartCarb. Toss that Lectron away.. I'll be in my bike including purchasing it for under 5.5K. Still would have a hard time finding a well put together Ktm for that price. These mx bikes have their place in the track, but I'm convinced they can be made into a good woods bike.
My 03 KX 125 was designed for the track and was ridden by a sponsored rider, 10 years its been trail ridden with no changes to the engine other then what was done from the rider before and hasn't failed on me yet. Its insane to ride in the trails keeping up with 450s and 250s easy cause its so light when banking corners and I can actually go faster then most in the trails cause I have had the bike for so long I feel so comfortable on it. also most times the 450 wont actually go very fast in trails or logging roads cause most riders get spooked when they try to reach the limits of there bikes
Have you tried lowering the front of the CR by dropping the forks? Easy to do, and should give much more maneuverability and easier turn-in.
Flywheel weight will only make the bottom feel more dead. 13/50-51 gearing and learn how to clutch is what you need. Like someone else said here, soft reeds v force carbon on soft setting. The new soft suspension will make the biggest difference providing you get the fork height and sag set right.
Super1TruthSeeker soft setting?
@@raulortega5883 V force 2 has two settings.
Gonna need to start rebuilding my old Honda
Nice video. I think the results are to be expected and I don't think it's so much because of it being moto. I think it's really just because it's a 15 year old bike. You can have great Moto bikes for off-road with just a suspension revalve. I came off a 250xc but now on a 17crf250 and I'm picking up a leftover new freshie tomorrow, I am in love with this bike and all I do is offroad, enduros and hare scrambles. (Yes I'm excited even though it's the same bike)
I've been watching your vids for a bit and think I'll finally subscribe. Glad you have a good support group and recovered from the knee, nobody like guys getting hurt, peace fellas.
Honda really needs to make these bikes again
Love the older 250r ... great video
all i can say is that i got a cr 250 3 moths ago and i love this thing i ride in the mountains in a combination of terrains and man this thing is so light and it rips , after i softened the suspension via clickers and rode for a few hours i fell in love with this machine i have no complaints , on slow or fast terrain i previously owned crfs yzfs and a cr 500 and rode 2 stroke and 4 stroke ktms and this is the best by far , i guess its preference some of us like the wild power delivery, and the fun factor , ktms are plusher but i dont know iam faster an have more fun on the cr for some reason,
The CR 250r is my favorite two stroke period. Set the suspension up and rip the hell out of it. You can't test a 03 cr to a brand new ktm get a 03 ktm and then test it. That pipe on the cr is completely wrong for bottom end torque try a gnarly with a shorty muffler
I am patiently waiting your full review after suspension. Depending on what you say, I will be doing the same thing! Please post it !!!
If you put a hydraulic clutch on the 2003 Cr 250, could you make a how to tutorial video on how to install a hydraulic clutch on a dirt bike with a cable clutch.
nikolas brien I’ve got a Magura hydro clutch on my 450 and it’s the greatest thing ever for trail riding, especially when in tight twisty bits
20mm or 22mm offset triple clamps will make a night and day difference in the straight line problem. It made my 07 cr250 handle much better.
Great build Kyle and I love the channel !!!!! I’d like to try a cr as I’m currently on a 18 yzx. Again love the channel it pushes me to do more with my channel over here on the east coast!!
You never hit the powerband when riding your KTM. Your riding style is more in line with a 4-stroke. 2- strokes are not designed to putt around at 1/4 throttle, especially a CR250R.....
Have a,03cr put my 97cr applied 22mm offset tripleclamps don't seem to have the plowing you mentioned in your video
Put a tape to the 2 bikes and compare them, peg height, swingarm length, rake, and trail ect.. I think that would tell you a lot about handling and what mods to do next. I have an 02 cr250r and am really interested in these videos. V force reeds will smooth out the power to.
I take it you have the original shift lever, I have the same bike and I broke mine and was suggested to replace with a cr 125 lever for more room to shift. I think aftermarket are standard with longer lever now as cr 125 and cr 250 are interchangeable
Hi man. I have used some tunning in my CR250 that will possibly help you in its handling.
1st: use xtrig triple clamps with 20mm offset
2nd: shorten the wheelbase by approximating the rear wheel to the swingarm axle.Better slow speed handling as well as displacing more weight to the rear wheel to make the front wheel less planted
How?
Looks like you ride in my old stompin grounds. Honda Valley, south of Hesperia. I was riding there in the 70's into the 2000's
The odd front heavy feel and the pushing straight is most likely from moving those bars too far ahead. It doesnt take much and the entire feel changes, and this change would be very noticeable when riding the edge of catastrophe
Yeah really, let's raise the bars and push them forward and complain about a heavy front wheel and feeling like they are to far forward when standing up......
RSC clutch levers best upgrade you can do for your bike with out hydraulic. It's cable but feels like hydraulic
Running a pretty long muffler on the CR I’d put a shorty on it and that will give the CR more low end.
I have this exact model of cr and a short pro circuit exhaust and the low end is just fine
So now we see a Motocross bike can off road. Can an off road bike do Motocross? Please make this video!
to have more low end u need a much smaller pipe n a much longer silencer ... get in comparision the pipe chamber of your ktm with the honda pipe ... im sure the honda is quite more bigger ..
These CR videos are beginning to sound like a broken record.
Maybe it would be good for you two to actually ride a mx bike for a year or something out in the woods. It will teach you to ride better because you aren’t spoiled with hydraulic clutches or lugging around in 2nd gear. I think by riding an mx bike in the woods it will teach you to be a better rider. Then if you swap back to the wx it will almost feel like cheating? Idk just my two cents. Never once had an issue on my 2008 crf450r. On Average on a single track I’m in 3rd gear.
Kyle your sag is set up for desert racing. 105mm to 107mm will make a honda go straight as an arrow in the desert at high speed. Drop it to around 97mm. It will turn like your ktm.
I have to say that you are right, as far as I know about suspension. Kyle was not going the right way to make it turn easier.If the rear side is higher, it will help to decrease the head angle, so it will turn better.Get 95mm SAG on the rear and it will turn
This is just my opinion. Thanks
You said it yourself! “Nothing like a familiar platform!!!” Maybe you can’t make it turn because you’re only used to riding a KTM ride the CR as much as you’ve ridden the KTM before you say it won’t turn. It will turn, just learn how to make it turn. I have a 2003 and a 2007 and I can turn and ride better on them than I can any KTM.... because that’s what I’m used to. Also if the power is too much for you then put a flywheel weight on. Or just sack up and learn to use the power.
I started trail riding on a 2006 kx250f and in hindsight, it rocked. I'd love to try turning a newer f.i. one in to a trail-slayer.
Save yourself some time and money and just buy a newer 250F off road bike. Either the KTM 250XCF or the Yamaha YZ250FX are fantastic bikes. You won't have to do much of anything other than ride them and you will love either of them.
I have a 2015 wr250f (with FX mods), thinking kx would be a fun side-project bike
yall try moving the forks back to a normal position in the clamps? no wonder it is so heavy on the front wheel
Ok. So the fly wheel will make a difference, but you need to lower the triple clamps a bit for single track soften the rebound on the forks and adjust your clickers, soften up the shock and adjust the rebound. If you start pushing into corners ( heavy front wheel ) adjust your clickers until it stops. I personally like a stiffer front end and the rear end on my bike is slowed down ( not to bouncy) I like to track straight through the whoops. Remember this is a 15 year old motocross bike, This bike will not be a KTM. I have no Idea of your speed , but the fact that your try to ride in first says something to me. Get a pair of windham bars or ktm fat bars. You guys look tall. Switching to a hydraulic clutch will help with the hands but look further down the trail and ride in the attack position elbows out, head over the bars and stand with knees slightly bent,That’s how I taught my boys to ride when they were kids. There 25 year old men and pretty darn fast, Im 55 year old fart and chasing them around the woods and the MX track on a 2000 CR 250 with stock gearing and give them a run for there money. They both have new bikes. Most of all enjoy the ride.
Not sure what pipe is on there, but an fmf knarly would help the bottom end. Also a manifold or head pipe spacer will bring the hit down in the rpm range. I've heard buoesen reeds help bottom end too. I've read that the 03 motor isn't as smooth as the 01. You got the wrong bike for honestly, consensus says the 01 was the best cr250
I had an 03 cr250 and the front end definitely pushes....That was my biggest complaint...Get to the corner lear and it just wants to go straight..I think it's the alloy frame...Steel framed hondas of the 90's had great front end grip...
I've heard of transforming a MX to a woods bike but it sounds like even after all your work on it that it is not as much fun to ride as one that is designed for the woods?? It is a nice looking bike.
This may have already been said, but most Japanese two strokes from the 90s into the early 2000’s liked 100mm of sag. That might help with your handling woes a little.
Would you consider sending the engine to EGR or Millennium technologies to change the port timing to get the desired power characteristics ?
Not sure how tall you and Sam are, but in 2003 Ricky Carmichael (5'6") was the star of the Honda show. Could explain your cramped cockpit feeling.
There are pegs that allow you to lower them and move them to the rear. Might help?
Have to laugh at the comments. Same dozen guys complaining. Same dozen this episode as the other vids on this bike. Priceless! 😁
How about a Honda that is intended for this type of riding? Crf___x. Please do a review on one of them.
Hey Kyle what jetting do you have in your 250xc? I got a 19 TX300 and I was wondering what you're running.
Comparing it to a 450 is a good comparison. And I understand why you're not comfortable on it I rode a CR250 one time and the frodl can be compared to a on off switch because either you have no power or all of the Power it just seems like there's no in between.
You need to put the Ronnie MAC package on that screening eagle then compare.
Gimme a link to that graphics kit!!. I need it!!
Get some Fastway Evo 3 footpegs they mount lower and back.
15:50 What is the difference between the fork length, rake, axle to axle distance, and size of the swingarm of the two bikes? There you may find your answer as to why they feel different.
What did you change the gearing to? I purchased a 2002 cr 250 and would like to shorten up the first gear. The first gear is way too tall.
Every job has the right tool.
If you drop the port timing you would be impressed with the bottom power ...
Kyle I’m looking to buy a first bike would you recommend a Kawasaki over a Yamaha or Honda
I have a 2018 kx250f motocross bike and I turned it into a single track Woods bike no problem went up one tooth the rear from a 50 to 51 put a kickstand on it skid plate handguards set my sag raised the fork tubes up as i always do to every bike I have ever owned i had a 2017 KTM xcw it was a great bike but i sold it got this 2018 kxf 250 and i can honestly say im totally pleased with it very slim turns great and good Power Band I got it at the end of the year when the nineteen's are coming for 6500 out the door couldn't pass it up I wasn't about to pay another $9,000 for a KTM the KTM had electric start and I swore I would never get another bike unless it had electric start but a fuel-injected 4-stroke 250 at that is not hard to start I've never had to kick my bike more than 3 times Kawasaki and Suzuki are the only two left as far as when it comes to electric start next year they'll probably have it i looked at the Yamaha same price as the KTM they are all up there now with the KTM I don't think you could go wrong with any bike that you pick out really it's to your liking what you choose to do with it the KTM is an awesome off-road bike but I do believe you can turn most any bike into an off-road bike if you know what you're doing it doesn't take much
Odd, bought a 2003 cr250 as a project and liked it much more then my 2016 ktm 300xcw.
I have a 2003 cr 250 was wondering where you got the all black seat cover thanks
He makes the CR250R sound like he is riding an XR650R!
me being 5 foot 6 explains why this describedly "stumpy" cr 250 fits me better than any other full size motorcross bike lol brakes are mediocre at best on the old CR's, but that bar adapter moving the bars forwards that little bit would have ruined the handling. rather than move the bars forwards you should have moved the footpegs back. i weigh nearly 200 in my gear with a little backpack for snacks/water and my 00CR turns on a dime and gives you 9 cents change with me on it. very stable, but if you really want it to change directions quickly, you gotta get ontop and mash it under, twist and point and itll do what you want.
Kyle, now, that you've put in some time on a Japanese two stroke mx'r converted for trails, how would you compare the only Japanese woods two stroke, yz250x, to this Honda? I considering gettin a brand new yz250x, I'm assuming I'd be better served going that route rather than building an old 250cc mx'r, would you agree?
I LOVED the YZ250X I had.
Are you gonna do a review on those alpinestars
I have a 2001 cr250r. For me it shines in the sand dunes and open desert. It’s made to race around the track and have explosive power. Period. After watching all the episodes on this you really start to understand that you CANT throw an 18 inch wheel on and a fly wheel weight and make a track bike a trail bike. You will spend 7k start to finish and still not be happy with it. JUST GO BUY A TRAIL BIKE!!!! Trust me now or believe me latter.
You should try this with a YZ 250
So glad I didn’t do this for the trails. Was my original plan to buy a cheap motocross two stroke and ride on my property. Ended up finding a trail bike that was more designed for it as an old stock bike for not much more than what I would have paid for something like this
I bought a brand new CR250R in 2002. Rode the shit out of it loved the bike sold it for a new Ktm 250sx in 2009. The Ktm tried to kill me. I never did get comfortable on the Ktm Death to orange .....
Felt the same when i swapped from a yamaha to a ktm, seems that japanese bikes is lower in the front
I own both, really disappointed that you can't get the CR right. Spent a LOT of time on the CR in Northerrn Utah/Idaho. If thete was anyone on the net that I would have thought could get it right, it was you guys, mehhhh, guess I was wrong. I would never sell that bike. Is the KTM better, of course, but not the way you guys hype it. Had it cut it off half way through, the CR not that damn bad, lol. Still can't understand why you can't stand up, that's crazy.
Can someone please explain the differences between the Ktm 250 EXC and the XCW
I coming off a CR 250 2003 and now want a newer bike that is better suited to enduro riding... 👍
hello Kyle, can you give review GPX Tse 250r the first China 2stroke dirt bike
I’d love to see you all do a 500 two stroke engine in a new frame
Service honda has made them for years. Dirtbike channel couldn't handle a 500, hes scared of 450s lol
hello can you please tell me which type and brand of rear tire you run? thanks kyle ! greetings from france
This one is a Shinko 505 Cheater on the rear, and Shinko 546 front.
@@DirtBikeChannel thanks a lot! nice videos
! keep it going !!
At that time that was the best engineering in MX bikes money can buy typical Honda. What you need to do and the only thing is put the Honda 250 4 stroke suspension forks and rear shock, shut the hell up and go kick ass.