What a great video, Andreas. Truth spoken in love. I pray this will help any people who are either out or in the process of leaving the Charismatic Movement. Your compassion for people comes through so clearly. Well done, brother. Thank you for this.
What I wrong with the ENTIRE Charismatic movement? Justin Peters continues to make sweeping generalizations about the entire movement rather than separating the wheat from the tares. Each camp within the church has black sheep. I can find fault within the cessationist camp too.
@@kevinevans8892 What's with all this HYPER Charismatic movement nonsense, It's all hyper. The least bit of leaven my friends. Don't be deluded into thinking there is even a little good to be found remaining in even the most "liberal" pentecostal or charismatic "church". Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (2Co 6:17)
When I went through this, I threw out so many books. In the end, I had just my Bible to go off of to start over completely on my understanding. I just couldn't trust listening to any other men until I had spent a good amount of time in the Bible for myself to revaluate scriptures and passages which I had heard misused.
This video was very helpful. I didn’t realize that I’d been struggling with post charismatic stress for a long time. I’ve been learning about the doctrines of grace, attributes of God and history of the church through reformed teachers these past two years. I would find myself in grief and repentance sometimes just bursting in tears thinking will it ever stop is this now my life in continual sorrow over 50 plus years of false teaching. Feeling hopeful! I’m on the right path, all glory to God alone. Thank you! God Bless!
Yep, I've got to go to my daughter's wedding at a church I went to for 20 years. Although Presbyterian, it had Charismatic undertones and left me very confused and hurt. My daughter knows my thoughts but she was raised there and she doesn't understand the problems there. I have never been able to go back there but will for her sake.
I totality have PCS. Even now after 5 year's since leaving the hyper-charismatic church. I still get super on guard when someone says anything with Pentecostal tone or certain words are used. I grieves me that my friends are still in it or havent recently joined dispite my gentle warnings. I feel at times void of emotion after everything was seemingly hyper emotionalized. Disconnected from the Spirit trying move forward biblically ground while trying let go of all the bad and misguided theology and practices. I look forward to watch the video and please keep me in prayer and those who are still in it.
I'm currently attending a Charismatic church as a new believer, and your channel has put clear, biblical words to some of my feelings. God bless you Andreas.
"ruled by selfishness rather than by Christ" amen! Thank you for this. I was kicked out of charismaticism a year ago after 25 years of ministry because I began to question things like the Enneagram and newage coming in. I'm subscribing to you brother. I pray to build out my channel to help others like you are doing. Well done.
I am sorry to hear about your experiences. "Kicked out for questioning the Enneagram"? This movement is getting stranger day by day. Thanks for subscribing. Blessings.
@@AndreasWiget thank you Andreas, I've done a lot of research on the Enneagram led by Richard Rohr. This universalist guy alone is responsible for influencing people like Steven Furtick, Jen Hatmaker, Rob Bell, William P. Young and many others including modern theologians. Rohr literally says his dog Venus is just as much Christ to him as Jesus was. I did a documentary on this, you can see it on my channel if you want. Feel free to take my clips or doing anything with it, you have a much larger platform. I just am passionate about getting God's Truth out there! God bless you
Quote of the week for me: "Weiner dogs are not only cute but they also look extremely funny. It's impossible not to feel better when possessing a Weiner dog." 💞 You nailed it on this content. It's been a difficult adjustment. Thank you for your ministry.
Thank you for your encouraging words. I went through all the phases of anger, disappointment, guilt and anxiety. Took over 2 years to get through the worst of it. So thankful God opened my eyes and for ministries like yours. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The weiner dog at the end totally caught me off guard and cracked me up. Thank you for that. 😂 I went through all of the PCSD last year and continue to struggle occasionally. It has been a difficult journey, but one I consider myself lucky to have had because it has brought me closer to God and His Word. ❤️
Hi Trista, I am glad you love the dog. Thanks for sharing these things. Good to hear how God works even through our difficult times. We also started a PCS support group on Facebook facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
I'm so glad I watched a video by Justin Peter's that recommended your channel! Charasmania has shopwrecked my life! I kept wondering why my mind was in such turmoil. I felt like a CooCoo clock😱 The cognitive dysodense is awful 😖 Thank you for the tools to be able to overcome PTCD!!!
It is criminal you only got 5k subs. Unbelievable. You're a breath of fresh air, educate on scripture, expose the fake people...so many things I use to think were legit were not and I repented. I used to watch the Osteen type of people and now I see these people for what they truly are: Very lost, and couldn't be further from God.
@@AndreasWiget when I began to notice how his lifestyle is, his greed, and then he refused to open his Texas church for refuge when Hurricane Harvey hit. It was then which lead me to question these mega church "pastors"
My husband and I worked in ministry on the west coast, and we felt such a heavy heart for the kids caught up in this. We had no idea how to reach them because our organizations were so accepting of all beliefs and practices, and basically banned me from talking to people. We got caught up in something for a few months in Seattle and just coming out of that was hard. Can't imagine decades of unlearning.
Hi Natalie, I am so sorry to hear that. I know how painful that is. I am nevertheless convinced that God will help you walking through this season. Recovery is possible, even if it takes time. Be blessed.
Thank you for this!! I’ll watch it more later. I know it’ll be helpful. I’m still dealing with after effects of this. I don’t know if I’ll ever fully will get Over it. I’ve fallen into this thinking this is what Christianity was all about. I am too this day still ashamed of my actions. I was raised in a cult as a child and it seems like I went into another one😳🫣😐🙄 but I’m happy where I am now. You are one f those who have helped me. God Bless You!! Hope you have a blessed day
Hey Valerie. Thanks for sharing this. I actually address the guilt issue in the video. However, there is more that could be said. You might want to join the Facebook support group. I will probably address the guilt issue more thoroughly there. Blessings.
Excellent! I am also affected by this because I grew up in an Assembly of God household. Also, my dad who is on Earth says he's not charismatic but he is charismatic some of his views of God and scripture. This has affected me greatly and I'm just realizing it recently as I have come to a reformed understanding of biblical truth. I was just converted about a year ago at 33 years of age, and I have very much struggled with Identity, the scriptures, and even the attributes of the Lord. It's gotten a little easier but a little more difficult because I've just recently moved in with my parents for logistical/financial reasons, but mostly because I am recovering from heroin addiction, which lasted for 11 years until the Lord raised me to Life. I am very thankful for this.
I relate too much to this. I've been trying to sort through so much over the last couple of years and it's been rough. I do battle feelings of bitterness because of it. I feel betrayed and when I think about the lies I was fed.
Hey Andreas, I was actually surprised that pcsd was actually a thing. I hadn’t imagined that it would have bothered them to such a level. However , it’s good that you have addressed it. As you say, time spent in prayer and the scriptures would definitely make a huge difference over time. Passing on some free places to chess help was also a very good idea. The people responsible for this will might be having a great time milking and parting these unsuspecting people from their hard earned $ will be in a world of hurt after they die unless they repent in the mean time. Another excellent presentation on an unconsidered problem. Well done mate. Mark from Oz🇦🇺.
Hi Thomas, thanks! Good to hear from you. Yes, PCS is not an official label but a real thing experienced by so many. Some struggle with mental difficulties for several years. It’s crazy what disaster false teachers and charlatans create. However, I am glad you are doing well. Blessings.
This is extremely helpful. Thank you. Now I know I’m not crazy 😅. I started down a rabbit trail and happened upon your FB group which led me to your videos. So glad I’ve found more resource(s) to help on my journey out of WOF gospel and church hurt. I appreciate that you’ve linked and listed books, etc in the description.
Great advice, thank you. This movement has caused so much trouble and the farther we slide into the "beginning of sorrows" the more God will use us to help our brothers and sisters find truth. My guess is, the people we see falling away are former charismatics. It took me time to redo my faith and I had not been in the movement for long. I also found the YT "Longing for Truth" to be helpful, along with the others you name. Great teachers, all of them.
I am very glad you are teaching others from YOUR experience strength and hope. So very few of us are alone in the many problem a human can suffer through in life, somewhere, somebody is or has gone through simular circumstances, Nothing new under the sun says Solomon in ecclesiates. I pray this message gets to the people who need it in a perfect timing.
Really interesting and thank you for sharing. I’ve become so disillusioned with church in general after leaving two spiritually abusive charismatic movements. For me, recovery is not just a matter of switching denomination or reading heavy theological books. It’s being back at square one in a complete reassessment of my faith and for the time being staying well away from membership of any church. Let’s face it, it’s not just charismatic groups that can be abusive, there is so much of it in the wider church too. Love the cute dog!
Thank you so much for making this video on PCSD!! This is so helpful - I’m going to make sure to send this to some friends who are still suffering from the hurt of prosperity/WOF theology. Thank you!🙏
There’s an ending I wasn’t expecting LOL! That is a beautiful dog Andreas what a lovely color. This was a very helpful video and shows you care. It’s good to see you doing a video again and hope we’ll be seeing more. I appreciate your thorough study of scripture with a kindness that is appreciated. Peace brother🙏
Hello, I'm thankful God is working through you and thank you for producing these interesting videos! I'm a teenager and I grew up Pentecostal and I think it had a part in making me agnostic for the most part of my life. Now that I became an actual Christian and actually started studying the Bible for myself, I have come to the conclusion that many of the practices in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are unbiblical such as slain in the spirit, tongues, whipping the air with a belt (yes, our leader believed that government politics are influenced by spirits and the way to drive these spirits out is by doing this ritual and called it "spiritual warfare") and many others. I no longer identify as belonging to any denomination, so I just call myself a Bible believing Christian attending a non-denominational church. The problem is, my family has now embraced NAR teachings because a friend introduced them to a "Prophetess" and now, they don't even go to church. Every Sunday they just watch the Prophetess' videos regularly at night (because she is in a different timezone), they would literally sleep at midnight listening to this NAR teacher. They even give their offerings to her. They treat her as if she has the only authority when it comes to Bible interpretation. She does a good job of tickling their ears, that's why my mother said she loves listening to her because she gains new "knowledge" while all the other pastors from the churches just repeat the same topics that she already knows (and when I mean new "knowledge" I mean literal misinterpretations of the Bible and using description as prescription). The Prophetess also admires other teachers like Benny Hinn and Paula White. She also prays curses over politicians and when I pointed out to my family that that is exactly the opposite of what the Bible teaches in that we should not curse but even pray for our enemies. They then would say that I am "legalistic." I wonder how I can lead my family out of this. They are so invested in it that they think going to church is being acquainted with a "religious spirit."
Andreas, Great video. It's good to hear advice and encouragement for those who labor under charismatic oppression, it's not something I hear a lot of. I wonder if there are comprehensive resources to help train local churches and leadership to understand and deal with this sort of phenomena. Some of the stories I occasionally hear point out a serious lack of knowledge and consideration in the local church for those who are escaping a false Christian worldview. Church leaders can be clueless as to what sort of experience these people are going through and suffering from, especially for those who are fleeing from abusive and cult like organizations. And it is tragic when someone frees themselves from one falsehood only to fall into another. Also I would like to compliment your videos. I have noticed ongoing improvement in content and presentation over the time I've been following your channel. Keep up the good work, it is appreciated. Nice dog too.
Hi there, thank you so much for your kind words. I also love your compassion for PCS sufferers. I do not know of a book that specifically addresses the aftermath of charismatic involvement. There are plenty of books dealing with spiritual abuse in the church. But there is none that has the sole focus of PCS. Maybe I will have to write it one day. But yes, you are right Christian leaders coming from a non-charismatic evangelical background can be clueless. This can lead to insensitive treatment of those who are suffering. They might look for a quick fix. But spiritual re-orientation is a long journey. It usually takes several years, depending on how long the individual was involved in a twisted form of Christianity. So, leaders need a lot of patience. They will have to be equipped in answering difficult theological questions thoroughly and convincingly. They will have to know how the sufferer can find relief from depression, fear, anger, bitterness and guilt. They will have to be familiar with the charismatic worldview on order to relate. A lot of the issues can even be handled from the pulpit through faithful expository preaching. Charismatics usually have a loose understanding of doctrinal things. This makes proper categorical thinking and discernment more difficult to them. Everything is based on emotions and experiences. The charismatic mind is used to wander here and there without critically examining things. I hope this helps. Blessings
I grew up Pentecostal. I never spoke in tongues and that eventually became an issue. For other reasons I left the church. I really didn’t think much about it for a vary long time. Until recently. I fully rejected their theology. I find it to be self centered, and neglecting the great commandment to love your neighbor. Particularly I can’t remember any efforts to help the poor. That also became an issue. However I have the nagging fear that I’ve blasphemed the sprit by not believing the “gifts” that I saw in my youth. At least not many of them. And now have no hope of salvation.
Speaking about brother, thank you. I see all what you say in me and God is so Mighty in helping me through. I truly, sincerely, and perfectly have undivided dislike of this movement. Whenever I come across its teaching, which is almost everywhere; I really get upset. I can't believe I took part in such obvious heretic movement, it is an insult against even lowest amount of wisdom. But, what shall we say; it is what it is. Thank you so much Sir.
Great video! You basically described what I went through and the same resources I also found helpful. I would also recommend the book ‘2000 Years of Christ’s Power’ by Nick Needham. Excellent resource on church history and easy to read.👍🏻
Brother Andreas, Gina is so pretty. I have grown up with dachshunds all my life. We were blessed to have grown up with three: Boscoe and Abby (husband and wife) who passed and I have their baby boy Rocket. I love weiner dogs. Thank you for the sound and Biblical teaching. My pastor is the host of the TH-cam channel Core Christianity. God bless!
Came our of WOF END OF 2019. JUST HAD COME BACK FROM BACK SLIDING AND STARTED READING THW BIBLE AND ONE SUNDAY I JUST TOOK OFF WALKING AND NEVER WRNT BACK. LOVE THE WORD. I LIVE IN TULSA WHERE HAGIN, ORAL ROBERTS AND EVERY OTHER WICKED CONFESSER THAT EVER LIVED. I NOW REPENT FOR GOING ZLONG WITH THIS CULT.
@@AndreasWiget Hello. I live in Tulsa too. I've been hearing a lot about Michael Todd around town. I've had friends leave the church I attend to go to Transformation Church. I'm worried about them from things I've heard.
@@AndreasWiget benny hinn just prophesied over Paul daughtery of victory church and said that tulsa had lots more wells here. Billy joe destroyed the church, now Sharon, Paul and His sister Sarah Werhli are going yo bring in new age. They are motivational soeakers. It is disgusting. They took our money and built their kingdom
Are you familiar with Heath Lambert? If so do you recommend his counseling material? Great video by the way..we had a Winnie dog named Rusty..awesome dogs!
@@AndreasWiget can I be honest?! I didn't understand much about life! 😔 What I want is that we all can be good! 🥰 Your friend Alan knows more about me! 😪 I love you brother! 🤗
@@AndreasWiget No I email him! I had trouble with comprehending an didn't do well in school except in conduct! 😊 I'm learning more online than I ever did in school! 😄 That is probably normal though! 😏 I love your doggie. 🤗 My dogs are all gone! Your right about dogs helping they are so sweet! 😊
Hello Andreas. This question is because of watching you on an interview about speaking in tongues. Can you explain Mark 16:17? And isn't is saying to His disciples that those that believe signs will follow...one of them is speaking in a new language. Its a verse you missed out. Or could you email me your answer? I'm having a bit of a shocker with all this theology. Many thanks
Hi Paula. Thanks for asking. Mark 16:9-20 is known as the "longer ending of Mark." It is a textual variant that is not included in many of the most ancient manuscripts. That's why you find the longer ending of Mark in brackets in many Bibles (you can look it up for yourself). Another issue is that the longer ending of Mark seems to be different in Greek grammar/style than the rest of Mark's writing. I personally believe Mark 16:9-20 was not part of Mark's original writing. So, I do not recommend building doctrine on Mark 16:9-20. I hope that helps. Blessings. Here are James White's comments th-cam.com/video/YcPgKjc2CzQ/w-d-xo.html
I have a question what do you do if you are still in it? How do you cope with it? We are still in it and a lot of stuff they say isn’t necessarily bad and is scriptural but there’s a lot of stuff on top that I disagree with strongly like the tongues and slain in the spirit, second baptism of the spirit, all that and it bothers me strongly. My husband doesn’t want to leave but I do because it bothers me so much and I don’t want my kid to see that. He just tells me to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling and not let them bother me he has some disagreements but not as much as I do and I just don’t know what to do it’s making me withdrawal and feel far away from God. And I can’t worship there for fear of something crazy happening and like I said some stuff they say is really good but other stuff are some strong disagreements. And me personally I feel like the gospel isn’t upfront and clear as it should be it’s more life application stuff but my husband says I’m just picking on it too much so I just don’t know what to do. It’s very spiritually draining to be around it sometimes we leave and I’m in tears because it bothers me other times I just feel totally zoned out or angry so any help you could give me I would really appreciate. I’m trying to do the right thing and I’m assuming that’s going with him there and I do love all the people dearly but it’s just getting harder and causing division in my marriage. This is been going on for a few years for me. My husband goes back-and-forth with agreeing and then disagreeing with me he gets angry when I bring up stuff about the church so I don’t know what to do sorry I’m rambling
Hi there. I am sorry to hear that. Remote counseling can sometimes be a little bit delicate. What I can see is that your concerns seem to be right. I can also see that the current situation hinders the proper application of certain marriage principles: e.g. the husband should self-sacrificially love his wife and treat her in an understanding way, as the weaker vessel; the wife should submit to her husband (see Eph. 5:22-33; 1 Pet. 3:7). Then, there is also the principle of taking care of each other's desires (Phil. 2:4). Of course, you could show these verses to your husband and talk through them. Try to figure out together if the current situation reflects these principles. Then, you could also suggest another church to your husband. This church should be biblical, and according to Phil. 2:4, it should be a place where both of you feel comfortable. I hope this helps. Blessings.
In addition to the "New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)cissistic churches," and the "Word of Faith (WO(l)F) movement." God's house isn't supposed to be of chaos and disorder.
What's with all this HYPER Charismatic movement nonsense, It's all hyper. The least bit of leaven my friends. Don't be deluded into thinking there is even a little good to be found remaining in even the most "liberal" pentecostal or charismatic "church". Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (2Co 6:17)
I listened to the 1st 4 minutes but that was all I could take. I also consider myself a 'Biblicist' (sic) AND am also a Charismatic. Here though you make sweeping generalizations but lump an entire group of people probably because of a bad experience with just a few or one of them. Your evidence too is all anecdotal; no real hard evidence here. Tell me this- if you get a fake $20 bill once do you stop spending $20 bills? Of course we don't. We don't just stop money or reject entire Movements by a few bad experiences with them. I object to your showing pictures of ministers to draw people to your video as well. IF we come against those whom God has called to a particular role we need to realize that as they follow Christ God will then have to defend THEM against US. It's divisive to do so and harmful to the Body of Christ. That's one of the main problems with the internet: people can say anything they want with faux immunity and never have to face those being accused. I was raised Baptist (Fundamentalist) and I accept that Fundamentalism is needed and has its place. Where it falls short and receiving the Baptism of God the Holy Spirit has given me a greater EXPERIENTIAL and not just intellectual knowledge that Fundamentalism could not and cannot give us. THE RHEMA REVEALS THE LOGOS. Compare Rom. 14:17 with John 1:1 and Heb. 4:12 and check in the Greek what the word for 'word' is in each verse. They're not the same. And we need both along with indeed a good exegesis.
What a great video, Andreas. Truth spoken in love. I pray this will help any people who are either out or in the process of leaving the Charismatic Movement. Your compassion for people comes through so clearly. Well done, brother. Thank you for this.
Thank you so much, Justin! Thanks for your prayers. I hope your trip to Wisconsin went well. Many blessings.
What I wrong with the ENTIRE Charismatic movement? Justin Peters continues to make sweeping generalizations about the entire movement rather than separating the wheat from the tares. Each camp within the church has black sheep. I can find fault within the cessationist camp too.
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What's with all this HYPER Charismatic movement nonsense, It's all hyper. The least bit of leaven my friends. Don't be deluded into thinking there is even a little good to be found remaining in even the most "liberal" pentecostal or charismatic "church".
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
(2Co 6:17)
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When I went through this, I threw out so many books. In the end, I had just my Bible to go off of to start over completely on my understanding. I just couldn't trust listening to any other men until I had spent a good amount of time in the Bible for myself to revaluate scriptures and passages which I had heard misused.
I remember my own throwing away of charismatic trash literature. I love your conviction to search Scripture diligently!
PRAISE GOD!!!!
Thank you. As a former Charismatic, I appreciate anyone teaching about the sufficiency of Scripture.
I agree!
This video was very helpful. I didn’t realize that I’d been struggling with post charismatic stress for a long time. I’ve been learning about the doctrines of grace, attributes of God and history of the church through reformed teachers these past two years. I would find myself in grief and repentance sometimes just bursting in tears thinking will it ever stop is this now my life in continual sorrow over 50 plus years of false teaching.
Feeling hopeful! I’m on the right path, all glory to God alone. Thank you! God Bless!
This is great. Very helpful! Love the end 😂
Yep, I've got to go to my daughter's wedding at a church I went to for 20 years. Although Presbyterian, it had Charismatic undertones and left me very confused and hurt. My daughter knows my thoughts but she was raised there and she doesn't understand the problems there. I have never been able to go back there but will for her sake.
Hi Keri, I am sorry to hear that. Incredible how quickly there can be hurtful experiences with charismatics. Hope you are doing well?
Former charismatic here. I love your advice. It’s wonderful.
Thanks!
I totality have PCS. Even now after 5 year's since leaving the hyper-charismatic church. I still get super on guard when someone says anything with Pentecostal tone or certain words are used. I grieves me that my friends are still in it or havent recently joined dispite my gentle warnings. I feel at times void of emotion after everything was seemingly hyper emotionalized. Disconnected from the Spirit trying move forward biblically ground while trying let go of all the bad and misguided theology and practices. I look forward to watch the video and please keep me in prayer and those who are still in it.
I'm currently attending a Charismatic church as a new believer, and your channel has put clear, biblical words to some of my feelings. God bless you Andreas.
Thanks Joss. Be blessed!
"ruled by selfishness rather than by Christ" amen! Thank you for this. I was kicked out of charismaticism a year ago after 25 years of ministry because I began to question things like the Enneagram and newage coming in. I'm subscribing to you brother. I pray to build out my channel to help others like you are doing. Well done.
I am sorry to hear about your experiences. "Kicked out for questioning the Enneagram"? This movement is getting stranger day by day. Thanks for subscribing. Blessings.
@@AndreasWiget thank you Andreas, I've done a lot of research on the Enneagram led by Richard Rohr. This universalist guy alone is responsible for influencing people like Steven Furtick, Jen Hatmaker, Rob Bell, William P. Young and many others including modern theologians. Rohr literally says his dog Venus is just as much Christ to him as Jesus was. I did a documentary on this, you can see it on my channel if you want. Feel free to take my clips or doing anything with it, you have a much larger platform. I just am passionate about getting God's Truth out there! God bless you
@@GodsTruthforYou Oh wow, that’s some high quality content. I will check that later, thanks!
@@GodsTruthforYou I forwarded your enneagram video to Doreen Virtue.
@@AndreasWiget thank you so very much Andreas!
Quote of the week for me: "Weiner dogs are not only cute but they also look extremely funny. It's impossible not to feel better when possessing a Weiner dog." 💞
You nailed it on this content. It's been a difficult adjustment. Thank you for your ministry.
You are welcome. Join the PCS Facebook group here: facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
Thank you for your encouraging words. I went through all the phases of anger, disappointment, guilt and anxiety. Took over 2 years to get through the worst of it. So thankful God opened my eyes and for ministries like yours. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks! I am glad you made it through that. I know how hard it is. Praise God!
Love your dog Andreas! 🐶❤️! God bless you brother.
The weiner dog at the end totally caught me off guard and cracked me up. Thank you for that. 😂 I went through all of the PCSD last year and continue to struggle occasionally. It has been a difficult journey, but one I consider myself lucky to have had because it has brought me closer to God and His Word. ❤️
Hi Trista, I am glad you love the dog. Thanks for sharing these things. Good to hear how God works even through our difficult times. We also started a PCS support group on Facebook facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
I'm so glad I watched a video by Justin Peter's that recommended your channel! Charasmania has shopwrecked my life! I kept wondering why my mind was in such turmoil. I felt like a CooCoo clock😱 The cognitive dysodense is awful 😖 Thank you for the tools to be able to overcome PTCD!!!
You are welcome. Join our PCSD group on Facebook facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
Sir i pray that your ministry grows,you provide biblical high quality content!P.S your dog is adorable!!
It is criminal you only got 5k subs. Unbelievable. You're a breath of fresh air, educate on scripture, expose the fake people...so many things I use to think were legit were not and I repented. I used to watch the Osteen type of people and now I see these people for what they truly are: Very lost, and couldn't be further from God.
Thanks, Tomo. Glad you are enjoying this channel. What made you question Osteen and the like?
@@AndreasWiget when I began to notice how his lifestyle is, his greed, and then he refused to open his Texas church for refuge when Hurricane Harvey hit. It was then which lead me to question these mega church "pastors"
@@orneryokinawan4529 These are good observations.
I love systematic theology now it gives you a firmer foundation
My husband and I worked in ministry on the west coast, and we felt such a heavy heart for the kids caught up in this. We had no idea how to reach them because our organizations were so accepting of all beliefs and practices, and basically banned me from talking to people. We got caught up in something for a few months in Seattle and just coming out of that was hard. Can't imagine decades of unlearning.
I have PTSD from 40 years in charismatic churches. I am learning to unlearn false teachings and embrace the Truth. Thank you for this message.
Hi Natalie, I am so sorry to hear that. I know how painful that is. I am nevertheless convinced that God will help you walking through this season. Recovery is possible, even if it takes time. Be blessed.
@@AndreasWiget He is so faithful, when there is nothing but darkness His true light shines. God be with you.
Been waiting for this one, Andreas. Good stuff.
Thanks! Be blessed.
Thank you, Andreas. Your message is so helpful when planning to talk to a precious charismatic neighbor.
Thanks for that. Hope your talk will go well!
😂😂😂😂 loved the end with the weenie dog
I'm not stressed, but I still would like to have a cute and funny little dog like yours!
Thank you for this!! I’ll watch it more later. I know it’ll be helpful. I’m still dealing with after effects of this. I don’t know if I’ll ever fully will get Over it. I’ve fallen into this thinking this is what Christianity was all about. I am too this day still ashamed of my actions. I was raised in a cult as a child and it seems like I went into another one😳🫣😐🙄 but I’m happy where I am now. You are one f those who have helped me. God Bless You!! Hope you have a blessed day
Hey Valerie. Thanks for sharing this. I actually address the guilt issue in the video. However, there is more that could be said. You might want to join the Facebook support group. I will probably address the guilt issue more thoroughly there. Blessings.
Excellent! I am also affected by this because I grew up in an Assembly of God household. Also, my dad who is on Earth says he's not charismatic but he is charismatic some of his views of God and scripture. This has affected me greatly and I'm just realizing it recently as I have come to a reformed understanding of biblical truth. I was just converted about a year ago at 33 years of age, and I have very much struggled with Identity, the scriptures, and even the attributes of the Lord. It's gotten a little easier but a little more difficult because I've just recently moved in with my parents for logistical/financial reasons, but mostly because I am recovering from heroin addiction, which lasted for 11 years until the Lord raised me to Life. I am very thankful for this.
May Jesus keep you and bless you! ✝️
I relate too much to this. I've been trying to sort through so much over the last couple of years and it's been rough. I do battle feelings of bitterness because of it. I feel betrayed and when I think about the lies I was fed.
Join our Post Charismatic Stress Facebook group facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
Hey Andreas, I was actually surprised that pcsd was actually a thing. I hadn’t imagined that it would have bothered them to such a level. However , it’s good that you have addressed it. As you say, time spent in prayer and the scriptures would definitely make a huge difference over time. Passing on some free places to chess help was also a very good idea. The people responsible for this will might be having a great time milking and parting these unsuspecting people from their hard earned $ will be in a world of hurt after they die unless they repent in the mean time. Another excellent presentation on an unconsidered problem. Well done mate. Mark from Oz🇦🇺.
Hi Thomas, thanks! Good to hear from you. Yes, PCS is not an official label but a real thing experienced by so many. Some struggle with mental difficulties for several years. It’s crazy what disaster false teachers and charlatans create. However, I am glad you are doing well. Blessings.
I’m so thankful for your ministry! Blessings in Christ and merry Christmas!
Thanks.Merry Christmas.
You are sooo right about the Doxy!!😀🥰. I have my little Winston to relieve My PCSD. His cute little legs just makes my heart melt.
Is Winston a wiener dog?
Yes
This is extremely helpful. Thank you. Now I know I’m not crazy 😅. I started down a rabbit trail and happened upon your FB group which led me to your videos. So glad I’ve found more resource(s) to help on my journey out of WOF gospel and church hurt.
I appreciate that you’ve linked and listed books, etc in the description.
Love your dog 🐶 Andreas!! God bless you!
Thanks! Be blessed, Joey!
Great advice, thank you. This movement has caused so much trouble and the farther we slide into the "beginning of sorrows" the more God will use us to help our brothers and sisters find truth. My guess is, the people we see falling away are former charismatics. It took me time to redo my faith and I had not been in the movement for long. I also found the YT "Longing for Truth" to be helpful, along with the others you name. Great teachers, all of them.
I am very glad you are teaching others from YOUR experience strength and hope. So very few of us are alone in the many problem a human can suffer through in life, somewhere, somebody is or has gone through simular circumstances, Nothing new under the sun says Solomon in ecclesiates. I pray this message gets to the people who need it in a perfect timing.
Thanks, kram. Be blessed!
Really interesting and thank you for sharing. I’ve become so disillusioned with church in general after leaving two spiritually abusive charismatic movements. For me, recovery is not just a matter of switching denomination or reading heavy theological books. It’s being back at square one in a complete reassessment of my faith and for the time being staying well away from membership of any church. Let’s face it, it’s not just charismatic groups that can be abusive, there is so much of it in the wider church too. Love the cute dog!
Thank you so much for making this video on PCSD!! This is so helpful - I’m going to make sure to send this to some friends who are still suffering from the hurt of prosperity/WOF theology. Thank you!🙏
I am glad it helped, Dillon. Be blessed.
There’s an ending I wasn’t expecting LOL! That is a beautiful dog Andreas what a lovely color. This was a very helpful video and shows you care. It’s good to see you doing a video again and hope we’ll be seeing more. I appreciate your thorough study of scripture with a kindness that is appreciated. Peace brother🙏
Thank you so much, Mary. Glad you like my dog. Blessings!
Here is the link to the PCS Facebook support group facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
The torture definitely worked on Lee Stoneking in the beginning of the video lol. He looks a lot like him😂
Hello, I'm thankful God is working through you and thank you for producing these interesting videos!
I'm a teenager and I grew up Pentecostal and I think it had a part in making me agnostic for the most part of my life. Now that I became an actual Christian and actually started studying the Bible for myself, I have come to the conclusion that many of the practices in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are unbiblical such as slain in the spirit, tongues, whipping the air with a belt (yes, our leader believed that government politics are influenced by spirits and the way to drive these spirits out is by doing this ritual and called it "spiritual warfare") and many others.
I no longer identify as belonging to any denomination, so I just call myself a Bible believing Christian attending a non-denominational church. The problem is, my family has now embraced NAR teachings because a friend introduced them to a "Prophetess" and now, they don't even go to church. Every Sunday they just watch the Prophetess' videos regularly at night (because she is in a different timezone), they would literally sleep at midnight listening to this NAR teacher. They even give their offerings to her. They treat her as if she has the only authority when it comes to Bible interpretation. She does a good job of tickling their ears, that's why my mother said she loves listening to her because she gains new "knowledge" while all the other pastors from the churches just repeat the same topics that she already knows (and when I mean new "knowledge" I mean literal misinterpretations of the Bible and using description as prescription). The Prophetess also admires other teachers like Benny Hinn and Paula White. She also prays curses over politicians and when I pointed out to my family that that is exactly the opposite of what the Bible teaches in that we should not curse but even pray for our enemies. They then would say that I am "legalistic."
I wonder how I can lead my family out of this. They are so invested in it that they think going to church is being acquainted with a "religious spirit."
Thanks for that. I recommend joining our PCSD group facebook.com/groups/overcomingpostcharismaticstress
@@AndreasWiget Thank you so much!
Andreas, Great video. It's good to hear advice and encouragement for those who labor under charismatic oppression, it's not something I hear a lot of. I wonder if there are comprehensive resources to help train local churches and leadership to understand and deal with this sort of phenomena. Some of the stories I occasionally hear point out a serious lack of knowledge and consideration in the local church for those who are escaping a false Christian worldview. Church leaders can be clueless as to what sort of experience these people are going through and suffering from, especially for those who are fleeing from abusive and cult like organizations. And it is tragic when someone frees themselves from one falsehood only to fall into another. Also I would like to compliment your videos. I have noticed ongoing improvement in content and presentation over the time I've been following your channel. Keep up the good work, it is appreciated. Nice dog too.
Hi there, thank you so much for your kind words. I also love your compassion for PCS sufferers. I do not know of a book that specifically addresses the aftermath of charismatic involvement. There are plenty of books dealing with spiritual abuse in the church. But there is none that has the sole focus of PCS. Maybe I will have to write it one day. But yes, you are right Christian leaders coming from a non-charismatic evangelical background can be clueless. This can lead to insensitive treatment of those who are suffering. They might look for a quick fix. But spiritual re-orientation is a long journey. It usually takes several years, depending on how long the individual was involved in a twisted form of Christianity. So, leaders need a lot of patience. They will have to be equipped in answering difficult theological questions thoroughly and convincingly. They will have to know how the sufferer can find relief from depression, fear, anger, bitterness and guilt. They will have to be familiar with the charismatic worldview on order to relate. A lot of the issues can even be handled from the pulpit through faithful expository preaching. Charismatics usually have a loose understanding of doctrinal things. This makes proper categorical thinking and discernment more difficult to them. Everything is based on emotions and experiences. The charismatic mind is used to wander here and there without critically examining things. I hope this helps. Blessings
This was 👌 perfect timing. I will be looking into this alittle more. Thank you Andreas!
You are welcome!
I grew up Pentecostal. I never spoke in tongues and that eventually became an issue. For other reasons I left the church. I really didn’t think much about it for a vary long time. Until recently. I fully rejected their theology. I find it to be self centered, and neglecting the great commandment to love your neighbor. Particularly I can’t remember any efforts to help the poor. That also became an issue. However I have the nagging fear that I’ve blasphemed the sprit by not believing the “gifts” that I saw in my youth. At least not many of them. And now have no hope of salvation.
Excellent my brother!!
Thanks Rob!
Speaking about brother, thank you. I see all what you say in me and God is so Mighty in helping me through. I truly, sincerely, and perfectly have undivided dislike of this movement. Whenever I come across its teaching, which is almost everywhere; I really get upset. I can't believe I took part in such obvious heretic movement, it is an insult against even lowest amount of wisdom. But, what shall we say; it is what it is. Thank you so much Sir.
You are welcome, Sthembiso!
That little hotdog dog will give me reoccurring good memories:-)
P.C.S.D.! 😆🤣🙌🏼. This is so accurate! Thank you for this video 🙏🏼
You are welcome!
This was fantastic, and I *knew* I was missing something - a weiner dog! ❤️
That's right, wiener dogs are the best!
Great video! You basically described what I went through and the same resources I also found helpful. I would also recommend the book ‘2000 Years of Christ’s Power’ by Nick Needham. Excellent resource on church history and easy to read.👍🏻
Needham is great. I had to read him at seminary.
Your Intro highlights Limmatquai? I was there last year September. I even made a video on my channel.
Your country is beautiful.
Thank you so much, Ananze. Yes, I am Swiss. The intro shows Zurich. Be blessed.
@@AndreasWiget 🙏💪🏽
This is so good.
Thanks Adriaan!
Brother Andreas, Gina is so pretty. I have grown up with dachshunds all my life. We were blessed to have grown up with three: Boscoe and Abby (husband and wife) who passed and I have their baby boy Rocket. I love weiner dogs. Thank you for the sound and Biblical teaching. My pastor is the host of the TH-cam channel Core Christianity. God bless!
Came our of WOF END OF 2019. JUST HAD COME BACK FROM BACK SLIDING AND STARTED READING THW BIBLE AND ONE SUNDAY I JUST TOOK OFF WALKING AND NEVER WRNT BACK. LOVE THE WORD. I LIVE IN TULSA WHERE HAGIN, ORAL ROBERTS AND EVERY OTHER WICKED CONFESSER THAT EVER LIVED. I NOW REPENT FOR GOING ZLONG WITH THIS CULT.
Hi there, I am glad you made it through all of that. How is the charismatic scene in Tulsa today?
@@AndreasWiget Hello. I live in Tulsa too. I've been hearing a lot about Michael Todd around town. I've had friends leave the church I attend to go to Transformation Church. I'm worried about them from things I've heard.
@@ginacox9652 Sounds bad. Is Kenneth Hagin still an important name in Tulsa?
@@AndreasWiget After asking me that question, my husband was channel hopping our local stations and two of them were Kenneth Hagin.
@@AndreasWiget benny hinn just prophesied over Paul daughtery of victory church and said that tulsa had lots more wells here. Billy joe destroyed the church, now Sharon, Paul and His sister Sarah Werhli are going yo bring in new age. They are motivational soeakers. It is disgusting. They took our money and built their kingdom
great job
Wirklich gut zusammengefasst 👍
Vielen Dank!
Amen. Vielen dank.
Bitteschön.
Post Counterfeit stress disorder has been diagnosed with Hinn and the like
Lol, my cats would be upset with a dog, cute though. Thanks for the video. Needed.
You are welcome!
Truly one of the greatest dangers of the charismatic church is the plague of biblical illiteracy.
It’s rampant.
Are you familiar with Heath Lambert? If so do you recommend his counseling material?
Great video by the way..we had a Winnie dog named Rusty..awesome dogs!
Hi Andy, thanks! Yes, I think Heath Lambert is great. I do have books by him.
Wiener dogs rock!
This is so me!!!
What do you think about the Candace Cameron Bure's One Step Closer Bible?
Hi, I am unfortunatelly not familiar with this Bible.
Sermons by Charles Hadden Spurgeon are great to lead you in faith.
No comments!? 🤔
I want to say hello and thank you for sharing!!! 😊
You are welcome!
@@AndreasWiget can I be honest?! I didn't understand much about life! 😔 What I want is that we all can be good! 🥰 Your friend Alan knows more about me! 😪 I love you brother! 🤗
@@Grace-nt9cc This is kind. Blessings to you. But what do you mean you didn’t understand much about life? Do you know Alan in person?
@@AndreasWiget No I email him! I had trouble with comprehending an didn't do well in school except in conduct! 😊 I'm learning more online than I ever did in school! 😄 That is probably normal though! 😏 I love your doggie. 🤗 My dogs are all gone! Your right about dogs helping they are so sweet! 😊
Here's a video you may like it is short it is a Chihuahua! 😊
th-cam.com/video/BTjQqB-R58g/w-d-xo.html
check out George Simon on Character matters on youtube. Especially the posts on narcs and pls turn up the playback speed🤣
It sounds like you coined a new term. Post charismatic stress syndrome or PCSS.
That’s right, Post Charismatic Stress Disorder (PCSD). ‘Syndrome’ could work as well.
I was never charismatic but there are definitely some problems especially the word of faith stuff
There are plenty of problems in the movement. But WOF is one of the bigger ones.
Hello Andreas. This question is because of watching you on an interview about speaking in tongues. Can you explain Mark 16:17? And isn't is saying to His disciples that those that believe signs will follow...one of them is speaking in a new language. Its a verse you missed out. Or could you email me your answer? I'm having a bit of a shocker with all this theology. Many thanks
paulahj74@gmail.com
Hi Paula. Thanks for asking. Mark 16:9-20 is known as the "longer ending of Mark." It is a textual variant that is not included in many of the most ancient manuscripts. That's why you find the longer ending of Mark in brackets in many Bibles (you can look it up for yourself). Another issue is that the longer ending of Mark seems to be different in Greek grammar/style than the rest of Mark's writing. I personally believe Mark 16:9-20 was not part of Mark's original writing. So, I do not recommend building doctrine on Mark 16:9-20. I hope that helps. Blessings. Here are James White's comments th-cam.com/video/YcPgKjc2CzQ/w-d-xo.html
I have a question what do you do if you are still in it? How do you cope with it? We are still in it and a lot of stuff they say isn’t necessarily bad and is scriptural but there’s a lot of stuff on top that I disagree with strongly like the tongues and slain in the spirit, second baptism of the spirit, all that and it bothers me strongly. My husband doesn’t want to leave but I do because it bothers me so much and I don’t want my kid to see that. He just tells me to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling and not let them bother me he has some disagreements but not as much as I do and I just don’t know what to do it’s making me withdrawal and feel far away from God. And I can’t worship there for fear of something crazy happening and like I said some stuff they say is really good but other stuff are some strong disagreements. And me personally I feel like the gospel isn’t upfront and clear as it should be it’s more life application stuff but my husband says I’m just picking on it too much so I just don’t know what to do. It’s very spiritually draining to be around it sometimes we leave and I’m in tears because it bothers me other times I just feel totally zoned out or angry so any help you could give me I would really appreciate. I’m trying to do the right thing and I’m assuming that’s going with him there and I do love all the people dearly but it’s just getting harder and causing division in my marriage. This is been going on for a few years for me. My husband goes back-and-forth with agreeing and then disagreeing with me he gets angry when I bring up stuff about the church so I don’t know what to do sorry I’m rambling
Hi there. I am sorry to hear that. Remote counseling can sometimes be a little bit delicate. What I can see is that your concerns seem to be right. I can also see that the current situation hinders the proper application of certain marriage principles: e.g. the husband should self-sacrificially love his wife and treat her in an understanding way, as the weaker vessel; the wife should submit to her husband (see Eph. 5:22-33; 1 Pet. 3:7). Then, there is also the principle of taking care of each other's desires (Phil. 2:4). Of course, you could show these verses to your husband and talk through them. Try to figure out together if the current situation reflects these principles. Then, you could also suggest another church to your husband. This church should be biblical, and according to Phil. 2:4, it should be a place where both of you feel comfortable. I hope this helps. Blessings.
Iam also a formal charismatic
Most people don't read their bible. That is how these people get caught up in this.
Are talking about the pentecostal churches?
I would include both pentecostal and charismatic churches.
In addition to the "New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)cissistic churches," and the "Word of Faith (WO(l)F) movement."
God's house isn't supposed to be of chaos and disorder.
😂 I love the title!
Buy a wiener dog to help get over the stress! 😂 Getting a dog is actually good advice to help with mood-based issues.
What's with all this HYPER Charismatic movement nonsense, It's all hyper. The least bit of leaven my friends. Don't be deluded into thinking there is even a little good to be found remaining in even the most "liberal" pentecostal or charismatic "church".
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
(2Co 6:17)
I listened to the 1st 4 minutes but that was all I could take. I also consider myself a 'Biblicist' (sic) AND am also a Charismatic. Here though you make sweeping generalizations but lump an entire group of people probably because of a bad experience with just a few or one of them. Your evidence too is all anecdotal; no real hard evidence here.
Tell me this- if you get a fake $20 bill once do you stop spending $20 bills? Of course we don't. We don't just stop money or reject entire Movements by a few bad experiences with them. I object to your showing pictures of ministers to draw people to your video as well. IF we come against those whom God has called to a particular role we need to realize that as they follow Christ God will then have to defend THEM against US. It's divisive to do so and harmful to the Body of Christ. That's one of the main problems with the internet: people can say anything they want with faux immunity and never have to face those being accused.
I was raised Baptist (Fundamentalist) and I accept that Fundamentalism is needed and has its place. Where it falls short and receiving the Baptism of God the Holy Spirit has given me a greater EXPERIENTIAL and not just intellectual knowledge that Fundamentalism could not and cannot give us. THE RHEMA REVEALS THE LOGOS. Compare Rom. 14:17 with John 1:1 and Heb. 4:12 and check in the Greek what the word for 'word' is in each verse. They're not the same. And we need both along with indeed a good exegesis.