@@sirdeadlock Let me guess the framework grabs onto the water like zeolite (which gets toasty while doing so). You heat up the saturated dessicant to a still higher temperature, to force it to release the water in gaseous form and you condense or even freeze that water with a heat exchanger of astronomical proportions and power to condense the water (if you're going overkill on stripping all that thermal energy from that mass of steam, you might as well turn it into ice).
Sure, it will work .... when you give it a VERY LONG TIME and not allow a drop of water to evaporate from the captured water. Requires a huge nuclear powerplant or a solar/wind farm the size of France strapped to the whole system. You have to deal with the heat released by the dessicant grabbing onto the water vapor and the heat released by condensation of the released water. The whole idea is rather cack handed, but I guess desperate times require desperate measures. I would rather apply such an awkward concept to capture carbon dioxide, instead of water.
@@unf3z4nt Really now? An Israeli machine that can pull water out of the air has been sent to northern California to provide clean drinking water for US police and firefighters battling the Camp Fire. www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-machine-that-pulls-water-out-of-thin-air-sent-to-fire-plagued-california/
Its super dangerous to tell the people its drinkable, which is not true. If you do this for a longer time you will just die, i dont understand how seeker didnt pay attention to this at all
@@mumbairay That would make for a nice scammy kickstarter! 'Air from water, using bleeding edge miniaturized nuclear submarine technology this tiny electrolysis unit will allow you to dive for hours using two AA batteries'. :D :D
It's makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in skale of desert and even smaller difference (if this is possible) in a scale off Earth, yet it can save thousands of lives because the water is clean (not like in a rivers or pods) and make life easier to people with poor water supply. It's a great news, one of the best this year. I hope they will be able to extract more water and faster from this!!
Part of the changes to the climate is that the overall hotter air will hold more water and prevent it from precipitating as much. Especially over hotter areas of land
I disagree. I've been wondering since childhood why we couldn't pull water out of air, because of the similar molecular composition. I especially wonder why California wasn't on this problem way sooner. It took so long to figure this out that Elon Musk probably would've done it eventually out of impatience.
actually unlike other shit that came before when MOFs absorb water they release it when Energy is applied to them in the form of sunlight so are putting the energy into the system to condense the water. its a solar powered water condenser
Water from air tech has been going on for decades, the moisture rigs in SW are just smaller vers of existing tech today, there's var water from air technologies but it still depends on there being moisture in the air and some places just don't have it at all, 0.0 ml per sq kilometer of atmosphere. In SW, below those white towers is a water tank that gets harvested when it signals the Lars home.
75 years later "The earths weather patterns appear to have been altered to the point of collapse due to the massive installations of ozone distilleries in major nations."
well decreasing the amount of water vapour in the air might help with global warming we just gotta make sure we don't take it too far or else it might get too cold I guess
@@abdelrahmana.abdelgawad6635 EXACTLY!!! Water vapor is the most potent greenhouse gas. They now believe Venus had oceans for billions of years. Then a large amount of CO2 was released which created a runaway greenhouse effect. Basically more evaporation=extra heat trapped. Next thing you know the oceans are trapped in the atmosphere making Venus 91 atmospheres at the surface and over 450 degrees.
@@philip0320 so pure water (pure H20) basically has no impurities (minerals). In a nutshell, pure water acts like a liquid sponge, which would leech out the minerals in our body necessary for neurological and muscular functions. Water dissolves things, like how you mix a sugar cube in it until it dissapears. And the water we drink is called as mineral water, because it contains safe impurities which reduces the tendency of the water to suck out our minerals.
@@philip0320 Because the concentration of dissolved particles in your cells would be much higher than in the pure water, and the resulting osmotic pressure would actually force minerals out of your cells into the water so the concentrations equalize. No bueno
@@gearhead1302 He did a few videos on the whole concept. To paraphrase, moisture farms need to account for the large amount of heat required to be taken out of water vapor in order to condense it to a liquid, from air carrying little to no water vapor.
@@lordx4641 i was always under the assumption that water vapour in the air was necessary for us to breathe properly as it moistens the airways as we breathe in and out, wouldnt the air be dry and rough to breath without the water vapour there?
@@hfjtrytry9216 yes u r right moisture is important infact without moisturised air there won't be any rain and aswell plants will die out just because some country miles away did large scale water extraction from the air it will influence the global climate for sure this time nd in worst possible case unfortuantely u cannot underestimate human innovation when it comes to destruction but I would be more pleased if we could someone filter sea water but I still doubt sea can fullfil human greed even if I hand over this cosmos their greed won't be filled
Incorrect the air we breath contains the necessary ingredients needed for moisture. The thing with a desert is that its too dry for moisture to actually be created usually. The machine is able to get around this creating water from that air. Essentially the Water traps and Moisture Vaporators from DUNE and star wars respectively.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent it converts water from air by extracting that tiny percentage of moisture from air. And the desert air can hold easily moisture but because of climatic patterns it cannot for eg their is a rain shadow region to such extent that rain doesn't occur there then it won't rain bcuz air is not moisturised air picks up moisture even dry air has but very little
The desert air isn’t really being dehumidified because such a small amount of water (relatively speaking) is being pulled out. A dehumidifier is for small enclosed spaces where there’s a chance of actually decreasing the amount of moisture in the air.
@@ThatOneScienceGuy what would you call this then? I don't know what else you would call a material that adsorbs water from the air other than a 'dessicant dehumidifier' .
jacob smith We can call it a moisture condensation machine. Because that term would focus on the product (water) rather than the effect (dehumidify). I just felt like dehumidifier wasn’t a good term because it’s describing what’s happening in the airspace. And since the desert air isn’t going to experience a measurable drop in humidity, calling it a dehumidifier didn’t seem precise enough. I hope you can see what I mean. Maybe I’m wrong. 🤷🏼♂️
It's called an atmospheric water generator, it's a technnology that existed for a while now...I had some at my school in the form of water dispensers, the water tasted weird though.
@@brandonporter6223 they do not, and cannot, work well enough to be worth while in the desert environment. There is a limit to the amount of water you can extract from air. In a desert, that's low. Like not enough for any human to survive off of in any capacity.
Yes , at 95-100% humidity rain kinda does the trick..not to speak of the huge amount of power that they need to produce useful volumes (even at these conditions). Both of these requirements are absent in the setting (dry and semiarid deserts)in which they are trying to “sell” this product. The dehumidifier is a great invention, but it’s no law-breaker, so these “magical re-inventions” all end up in the same place.
It's all fun and games until you scale this up and realize the annual rainfall is no longer 25cm or nearby micro climates begin to show signs of interference from artificial condensation. Imagine we extracted all the available Oxygen from the spaces between water molecules..the fish would die because that's what they breathe. What else survives on that moisture in desert climates..guess we'll find out ! =P
This is using water in Air , not air itself. And there is set amount of water vapor. They would need some extreme turbines to move millions of m3 of air to get few hundred litters of water , and if they lets say get 50% of water,another 50% will need 4 times more energy to get out , and last 25% will need 8 times more , last 12,5 % will need 16 times more.... At certain point it would be cheaper to lunch water with spaceX than make it on desert...
Relax, if there's one thing industrialization has taught us it's that no amount of monkeying with the environment will ever cause a problem for us, as humans, here on Earth. (Chanting.....,"Manifest Destiny, Manifest Destiny, Manife.....) /s
Plus water vapour accounts for around 3/4 of the greenhouse effect so lowering the amount of water vapour would also reduce temperatures(though only by a small amount with the tiny percentage of total water in the atmosphere being removed). Would be interesting to see if the can scale it up enough to keep dams full in places like California and Australia where poor planning and rapid growth has led to yearly water restrictions.
@@attilathenun It's Thunderf00t's moronic fanbase. What did you expect? They only read the video title without actually watching the video and are already calling this debunked. lmao.
@@Teddylandclub Doesn't matter how well or how little energy you need to put into a system to extract water from the environment.... It still doesn't take into account that places where water is scarce, there is a lot less water in the air so less to extract. Literally, the only environment these water extraction machines are good in is ones that don't need it or it would still be cheaper to just Truck In fresh water from somewhere it is abundant. The problem you have here, is people that have never watched a Thunderf00t video and understood what he is saying and is just being some dufus on the internet trying to be the edgy counter argument.
The Xiarthos I watched the video, and found it to be lacking on details. No mention of what the relative humidity was when the test was connected, or exactly how the water was harvested once it was, “collected” by said materials. I’m hopeful it works as good as they seem to make it out in this video, but, like everything else that sounds too good to be true...well, I guess we’ll just have to wait to see.
There is nothing to debunk. They already said that unassisted and with zero power the device can only produce 200 ml of water day for 1 kg of MOF (they never mentioned the volume or density of the substance ). That isn't an impressive amount , though it does seem more efficient than the previous methods .
People be talking about Thunderf00t, but I think his videos were pointing out the law of conservation of energy, and how condensation of water by thermal/cooling means is rather impractical. When he debunked the last iteration of MOF technology in his video, he said that it looked like a peltier device, and then debunked peltier device-based water condensation (which is infeasible, as he has pointed out multiple times). This device seems to be taking a different approach than condensation by cooling. It seems to simply gather water vapor out of the air. This gathering allows the water to have a saturation which would allow for condensation (because water can exist in liquid form at room temperature). So, assuming MOF technology is capable of this gathering of water molecules, the approach is able to bypass the energy requirements that are normally required of condensation by cooling. The input of energy from the sun could be the necessary energy to carry on this process, and seems plausible (especially considering passive processes like the drinking bird, or water transportation in xylems). Given that we have 1 PhD against (Thunderf00t, who didn't address this MOF idea), but multiple PhDs in support of this technology (Univeristy of Berkley and MIT, in addition to peer review), I will place my bets on the greater collection of PhDs until more compelling evidence proves otherwise.
@@KrKrp0n3 And I wonder how many papers the entire team on this channel have published in science journals compared to Thunderf00t? Perhaps you should stick to listening to music if you think making TH-cam videos is science. The information found on this channel is not the most reliable.
This is been possible for decades. They’re called dehumidifiers and it is not an efficient way to obtain water. Regardless of the technique, you can’t get around the Thermo dynamics of condensing water from the air. This is something that anyone has taken an undergraduate chemistry course knows immediately.
Dry areas seems to beget moisture. Dry air draws moisture in from wetter regions. Wetter regions becoming dry causes more water to evaporate. It is not like it would cause a global disaster. If it were truly bad people in winter or deserts would die from chronically chapped skin, not dehydration. The only area that I might be concerned about would be the Atacama as that desert is locked due to climate inversion. That area would make for an interesting case study. It is raised where something like Death Valley is below see level. The North African deserts were created from the land rising but I doubt they have problems pulling moisture in for a minimum amount of relative humidity. But what do I know?
Charon C. Before you call someone an idiot how about you do some research yourself? Do you really think an aluminum box is going to dry out 1000s of miles of air, and that evaporation is just going to stop all of a sudden? Go back to school kid.
I doubt this could cause dramatic climate crissies, but the Atacama would be an interesting case study. Dry areas seems to beget moisture. Dry air draws moisture in from wetter regions. Wetter regions becoming dry causes more water to evaporate. It is not like it would cause a global disaster. If it were truly bad people in winter or deserts would die from chronically chapped skin, not dehydration. The only area that I might be concerned about would be the Atacama as that desert is locked due to climate inversion. That area would make for an interesting case study. It is raised where something like Death Valley is below see level. The North African deserts were created from the land rising but I doubt they have problems pulling moisture in for a minimum amount of relative humidity. But what do I know?
Oh hey look someone's wrong on the internet. Did thunderf00t teach you that being a skeptic meant not watching videos and leaping to assumptions? Dgmw, he was right about using standard dehumidifiers but tell me how this is the same thing, and ill tell you how you're wrong using only info i got from actually watching the video. Lets rumba, spooky.
Yeah its called dehumidifier. And guess what? It works only in humid areas.... Which dont have water problem. Dissapointed that you would report this...
What takes no energy to collect takes energy to release. So how does the math check out with releasing the water efficiently in terms of energy expendituure?
You can turn Lead into gold too -.- It will just cost much more than market price of gold... It is funny that you are not talking about price of this tech. I'm 100% positive it would be cheaper to bring water in cisterns...
At the risk of sounding ignorant to the science; wouldn't taking moisture out of the air make the surrounding area more dry as a result? Come up with a more efficient way to make sea water drinkable then im excited. It could solve the problems of rising sea levels and drought all at once.
Even if you can condent the water very efficiently is there that much water in the dessert very dry air, this is not next to the ocean or in the middle of a rainforest you know
Whenever theres a weird scientific breakthrough thats barely gaining any traction except on “science” based channels and always have the “here’s how” at the end, expect it to be complete dog shit and never see the light of day
You wouldnt want it to anyway. This is yet more short sighted nonsense from ego stroking researchers looking to rush to fame. If our species actually relied on this to maintain our consumption of water, and with current growth rates, we would alter the entire weather pattern of the planet by sucking so much moisture out of it.
That sounds awesome that they can make water like that hopefully it's safe to drink and it would be even better if they could make a desert into an oasis
"Dehumidification removes water vapor from the desert air" would be the appropriate title. There is nothing transforming anything. if the could spontaneously combine random Oxygen molecules with free floating hydrogen molecules, then I would agree with the title. But even that's not transforming. Take three heavier elements and start removing protons and electrons until you get to the hydrogen and oxygen you are looking for. That would be transformative. Break down carbon to Hydrogen and perhaps you'll have the golden goose.
So how long is efficiency kept up? With it relying on such a small pore structure dust from cycling air through it especially with a fan and even more so in dry climates which are more dusty, this will clog and cover all the material quite fast I imagine. So how is this prevented or cleaned off? Does most of the water have to be sacrificed each time for rinsing off the material? Because tap or ground water would be high in mineral deposits which would leave mineral salts that would quickly build up and cover all the material which is even harder to get rid of than dust.
Exactly that is a really bad idea because in certain dry areas the water will accumulate in areas with low pressure. People should know don't mess with cycles because you will probably disrupt it and you will break the system. Why can't they just use desalinated water. That will not interfere as much with weather system. At least the place is not getting drier probably wetter.
@@user-pg5re1cg7d because most of these desert regions are thousands of miles away from the ocean. The cost of desalination is also pretty high on large scales.
@@MrObveous777 most people that life in a desert life in close proximity to the ocean. I don't know what would be more expensive this or desalination plant by the cost per liter.
Bro my air conditioner spits out ice cubes, get on my level.
😂😂😂😂 You got the wrong one
Theirs works without being plugged in.
How much energy does it use and how much ice and water does the AC spit out?
@@sirdeadlock
Let me guess the framework grabs onto the water like zeolite (which gets toasty while doing so). You heat up the saturated dessicant to a still higher temperature, to force it to release the water in gaseous form and you condense or even freeze that water with a heat exchanger of astronomical proportions and power to condense the water (if you're going overkill on stripping all that thermal energy from that mass of steam, you might as well turn it into ice).
Ice Cube is soooo outdated. Comeback here when your AC leaks something fresh and newer like Migos, or something.
No one:
Seeker: "Water from air!!"
Everyone:😬
ThunderF00t: "Here we go again!"
The first thing I thought when I saw this.... Thunderf00t about to end this man's whole career
Same here.
Sure, it will work .... when you give it a VERY LONG TIME and not allow a drop of water to evaporate from the captured water. Requires a huge nuclear powerplant or a solar/wind farm the size of France strapped to the whole system. You have to deal with the heat released by the dessicant grabbing onto the water vapor and the heat released by condensation of the released water. The whole idea is rather cack handed, but I guess desperate times require desperate measures. I would rather apply such an awkward concept to capture carbon dioxide, instead of water.
@@unf3z4nt
Really now?
An Israeli machine that can pull water out of the air has been sent to northern California to provide clean drinking water for US police and firefighters battling the Camp Fire.
www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-machine-that-pulls-water-out-of-thin-air-sent-to-fire-plagued-california/
Its super dangerous to tell the people its drinkable, which is not true. If you do this for a longer time you will just die, i dont understand how seeker didnt pay attention to this at all
As soon as I read title I instantly thought of Thunderfoot, reading comments I wasn’t the only one. Lol
I had water dispensers at my school that turned air into water :P
@@brandonporter6223
I don't think so...
Brandon, Hogwarts?
@@AzogticMettroskik Liquifying water vapor in the air is not magic... Ever heard of this phenomenon called condensation?
Yeah was about to post. Thunderfoot "Hold my beer"
Seeker: Scientist can finally make water from thin air again
Thunderf00t: Um, no.
This is exactly what I was thinking
I was just about to post the same thing.
I wonder how long it will be before Thunderf00t debunks this 🤔
@@Nilsy1975 it will be interesting to see if these works or not according to him.
Thunderf00t is an idiot.
Dont underestimate the capability of humans to make a mess of anything
Yay, a slightly improved solar powered dehumidifier.
ugh i love solar
Someone get thunderf00t
Next: we finally can get air out of water
@@mumbairay That would make for a nice scammy kickstarter! 'Air from water, using bleeding edge miniaturized nuclear submarine technology this tiny electrolysis unit will allow you to dive for hours using two AA batteries'. :D :D
@@mumbairay cool lets call it evaporator
"Climate change is making deserts dryer"
-New invention removes more moisture from desert air.
Totally fucked up world, still wonder why noone thought what will happen if we reduce the density of atmosphere?
@@thinkingaloud7925 humid air is lighter
BIG BRAIN
It's makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in skale of desert and even smaller difference (if this is possible) in a scale off Earth, yet it can save thousands of lives because the water is clean (not like in a rivers or pods) and make life easier to people with poor water supply. It's a great news, one of the best this year. I hope they will be able to extract more water and faster from this!!
Part of the changes to the climate is that the overall hotter air will hold more water and prevent it from precipitating as much. Especially over hotter areas of land
No one:
Seeker: turning air into water
Thunderf00t: stonks
Was binge watching his content yesterday
No way, only a hundred million.
I disagree. I've been wondering since childhood why we couldn't pull water out of air, because of the similar molecular composition. I especially wonder why California wasn't on this problem way sooner. It took so long to figure this out that Elon Musk probably would've done it eventually out of impatience.
@@jonh9529 irony?
actually unlike other shit that came before when MOFs absorb water they release it when Energy is applied to them in the form of sunlight
so are putting the energy into the system to condense the water.
its a solar powered water condenser
Literally moisture farming. Never thought I'd see the day.
Rodrigo Matos you still won’t.
You probably won't
Now we need real lightsabers and some dude to invent the force
Water from air tech has been going on for decades, the moisture rigs in SW are just smaller vers of existing tech today, there's var water from air technologies but it still depends on there being moisture in the air and some places just don't have it at all, 0.0 ml per sq kilometer of atmosphere. In SW, below those white towers is a water tank that gets harvested when it signals the Lars home.
@@tengkualiff Hahaha, this dudes working on it.
th-cam.com/video/5T9IN3hv-Hg/w-d-xo.html
😆
Seeker: Transforming air into pure dri-
Thunderf00t: ah shit, here we go again...
This ^^
First thing I thought when I saw the title!!!!
So it's a fancy dehumidifier?
No, not at all. Totally different technology.
@@Apastorfield "So it's a fancy dehumidifier?" in the same way that a saturn 5 rocket is a fancy firework.
Now is the best time buying a moisture farm on Tatooine.
LOL
Lol, exactly, Uncle Owen could have used this tech.
Luke finally got to toshi station to pick up those power converters.
Star Wars monopoly
75 years later "The earths weather patterns appear to have been altered to the point of collapse due to the massive installations of ozone distilleries in major nations."
Divergent Evolution rip
Haha... exactly
If we make it another 75 years
well decreasing the amount of water vapour in the air might help with global warming we just gotta make sure we don't take it too far or else it might get too cold I guess
@@abdelrahmana.abdelgawad6635 EXACTLY!!! Water vapor is the most potent greenhouse gas. They now believe Venus had oceans for billions of years. Then a large amount of CO2 was released which created a runaway greenhouse effect. Basically more evaporation=extra heat trapped. Next thing you know the oceans are trapped in the atmosphere making Venus 91 atmospheres at the surface and over 450 degrees.
FYI. Do not drink "completely pure" water in large quantities.
Would it be too pure to the point where it's taking things from the body we need?
@@cutliss yes that's true!
OK someone explain why please 😅
@@philip0320 so pure water (pure H20) basically has no impurities (minerals). In a nutshell, pure water acts like a liquid sponge, which would leech out the minerals in our body necessary for neurological and muscular functions. Water dissolves things, like how you mix a sugar cube in it until it dissapears. And the water we drink is called as mineral water, because it contains safe impurities which reduces the tendency of the water to suck out our minerals.
@@philip0320 Because the concentration of dissolved particles in your cells would be much higher than in the pure water, and the resulting osmotic pressure would actually force minerals out of your cells into the water so the concentrations equalize. No bueno
Replace dry desert by an oasis... Surrounded by even dryier desert, yeah that's not gonna ever have unforseen repercusions............
I was just thinking that
Dont underestimate the capability of humans to make a mess of anything
"Transforming Air Into Pure Drinking Water Is Finally Possible." We finally invented the dehumidifier and filters?
this is thunderf00ts favorite topic, I hope he does a review on this.
Thunderf00t ---Ah,Here we go again
This^^
Why? Did he do a video on the zirconium one or something?
@@gearhead1302
He did a few videos on the whole concept. To paraphrase, moisture farms need to account for the large amount of heat required to be taken out of water vapor in order to condense it to a liquid, from air carrying little to no water vapor.
@@gearhead1302 Yes, he did a video on this exact project's earlier prototype, two years ago: th-cam.com/video/EGTRX6pZSns/w-d-xo.html
@@unf3z4nt I see. Thanks.
Seeker: By pulling water from thin air, this device can turn even the driest desert into an oasis
Frozone: THERE IS NO WATER IN THIS AIR!
So we will fight world war 3 not for liquid water but for water vapour huh times change quick don't they
@@lordx4641 i was always under the assumption that water vapour in the air was necessary for us to breathe properly as it moistens the airways as we breathe in and out, wouldnt the air be dry and rough to breath without the water vapour there?
@@hfjtrytry9216 yes u r right moisture is important infact without moisturised air there won't be any rain and aswell plants will die out just because some country miles away did large scale water extraction from the air it will influence the global climate for sure this time nd in worst possible case unfortuantely u cannot underestimate human innovation when it comes to destruction but I would be more pleased if we could someone filter sea water but I still doubt sea can fullfil human greed even if I hand over this cosmos their greed won't be filled
Incorrect the air we breath contains the necessary ingredients needed for moisture. The thing with a desert is that its too dry for moisture to actually be created usually. The machine is able to get around this creating water from that air. Essentially the Water traps and Moisture Vaporators from DUNE and star wars respectively.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent it converts water from air by extracting that tiny percentage of moisture from air. And the desert air can hold easily moisture but because of climatic patterns it cannot for eg their is a rain shadow region to such extent that rain doesn't occur there then it won't rain bcuz air is not moisturised air picks up moisture even dry air has but very little
Thunderf00t will turn up in about 15 minutes
he reviewed it 2 years ago if this one can pull out even half a liter in 20 mins (as stated in video), i would be impressed.
Are you guys falling for this too?!? It's a freakin' dehumidifier...
With a water filter taped to the hose.
The desert air isn’t really being dehumidified because such a small amount of water (relatively speaking) is being pulled out. A dehumidifier is for small enclosed spaces where there’s a chance of actually decreasing the amount of moisture in the air.
@@ThatOneScienceGuy what would you call this then? I don't know what else you would call a material that adsorbs water from the air other than a 'dessicant dehumidifier' .
jacob smith We can call it a moisture condensation machine. Because that term would focus on the product (water) rather than the effect (dehumidify). I just felt like dehumidifier wasn’t a good term because it’s describing what’s happening in the airspace. And since the desert air isn’t going to experience a measurable drop in humidity, calling it a dehumidifier didn’t seem precise enough. I hope you can see what I mean. Maybe I’m wrong. 🤷🏼♂️
I almost fell for it. I'll be on guard now. I appreciate you for pointing that for us man.👍
I'm hanging up my boots right now to become a moisture farmer. One day, my nephew will be a great man.
This makes me moist
And your body will be a smoldering mess.
Hi, I'm Valorince, and I run a company called "Moist Meats". Do you like stake? Do you like water? Then booiiiiii, are we the place for you!!
Thunderfoot wants to know your location
Thunderf00t: LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME TO GET THE CALCULATOR OUT AGAIN BOYS
I was hoping that this would be one of the first comments.
Just got here: has anyone mentioned the _Star Wars_ 🚀 *moisture vapourators* yet?
thank you!!!
I thought of that instantly!
This one has a defect motivator
Thunderfoot mode engaged !
It's debunking time!
GO!
Thunderf00t is more than dizzy from all these looping “Water from air” rides.
It's called an atmospheric water generator, it's a technnology that existed for a while now...I had some at my school in the form of water dispensers, the water tasted weird though.
@@brandonporter6223 they do not, and cannot, work well enough to be worth while in the desert environment.
There is a limit to the amount of water you can extract from air. In a desert, that's low. Like not enough for any human to survive off of in any capacity.
Yes , at 95-100% humidity rain kinda does the trick..not to speak of the huge amount of power that they need to produce useful volumes (even at these conditions). Both of these requirements are absent in the setting (dry and semiarid deserts)in which they are trying to “sell” this product.
The dehumidifier is a great invention, but it’s no law-breaker, so these “magical re-inventions” all end up in the same place.
@@rexevans100 in this dessert environment you speak of.. Do they have ice cream?
I think Brandon was in Hogwarts
It's all fun and games until you scale this up and realize the annual rainfall is no longer 25cm or nearby micro climates begin to show signs of interference from artificial condensation. Imagine we extracted all the available Oxygen from the spaces between water molecules..the fish would die because that's what they breathe. What else survives on that moisture in desert climates..guess we'll find out ! =P
This is using water in Air , not air itself. And there is set amount of water vapor.
They would need some extreme turbines to move millions of m3 of air to get few hundred litters of water , and if they lets say get 50% of water,another 50% will need 4 times more energy to get out , and last 25% will need 8 times more , last 12,5 % will need 16 times more....
At certain point it would be cheaper to lunch water with spaceX than make it on desert...
Relax, if there's one thing industrialization has taught us it's that no amount of monkeying with the environment will ever cause a problem for us, as humans, here on Earth. (Chanting.....,"Manifest Destiny, Manifest Destiny, Manife.....) /s
You absolutely don't know basic science.
@Blade very persuasive argument
Plus water vapour accounts for around 3/4 of the greenhouse effect so lowering the amount of water vapour would also reduce temperatures(though only by a small amount with the tiny percentage of total water in the atmosphere being removed). Would be interesting to see if the can scale it up enough to keep dams full in places like California and Australia where poor planning and rapid growth has led to yearly water restrictions.
*“Deserts are not particularly welcoming environments”, But we ‘the people that live there’ are the most hospitable.*
Everybody gangsta until thunderfoot see this video.
I'm disappointed that none of the MOF's is named Tarkin.
They're saving that name for the grand one.
The WSJ tech reporter is saying "Thank God, now Thunderf00t, can now go after Seeker. Now I can come out of hiding."
David Evans This is different from the idiotic waterseer though.
@@attilathenun It's Thunderf00t's moronic fanbase. What did you expect? They only read the video title without actually watching the video and are already calling this debunked. lmao.
@@Teddylandclub Doesn't matter how well or how little energy you need to put into a system to extract water from the environment.... It still doesn't take into account that places where water is scarce, there is a lot less water in the air so less to extract. Literally, the only environment these water extraction machines are good in is ones that don't need it or it would still be cheaper to just Truck In fresh water from somewhere it is abundant. The problem you have here, is people that have never watched a Thunderf00t video and understood what he is saying and is just being some dufus on the internet trying to be the edgy counter argument.
Yep 👍. He will have a field day with this one.
The Xiarthos I watched the video, and found it to be lacking on details. No mention of what the relative humidity was when the test was connected, or exactly how the water was harvested once it was, “collected” by said materials. I’m hopeful it works as good as they seem to make it out in this video, but, like everything else that sounds too good to be true...well, I guess we’ll just have to wait to see.
Finally or revealed after its 20 years old?
pure science only go viral when it is applied science because that's when it can be used by people
Thunderf00t should jump on this
It is sad he have to explain basic energy conservation laws to people.
I'm phoning him now
Damn. Beat me to it :)
Doesn't he have spare zirconium for his reactor experiement too.
There is nothing to debunk. They already said that unassisted and with zero power the device can only produce 200 ml of water day for 1 kg of MOF (they never mentioned the volume or density of the substance ). That isn't an impressive amount , though it does seem more efficient than the previous methods .
People be talking about Thunderf00t, but I think his videos were pointing out the law of conservation of energy, and how condensation of water by thermal/cooling means is rather impractical. When he debunked the last iteration of MOF technology in his video, he said that it looked like a peltier device, and then debunked peltier device-based water condensation (which is infeasible, as he has pointed out multiple times).
This device seems to be taking a different approach than condensation by cooling. It seems to simply gather water vapor out of the air. This gathering allows the water to have a saturation which would allow for condensation (because water can exist in liquid form at room temperature). So, assuming MOF technology is capable of this gathering of water molecules, the approach is able to bypass the energy requirements that are normally required of condensation by cooling. The input of energy from the sun could be the necessary energy to carry on this process, and seems plausible (especially considering passive processes like the drinking bird, or water transportation in xylems). Given that we have 1 PhD against (Thunderf00t, who didn't address this MOF idea), but multiple PhDs in support of this technology (Univeristy of Berkley and MIT, in addition to peer review), I will place my bets on the greater collection of PhDs until more compelling evidence proves otherwise.
Thunderf00t has entered the chat.
It's like they are trying to get him to make videos
Lmao, Blunderfoot is only good for debunking feminism. This is real science, the kids should go home.
@@KrKrp0n3 bruh hes a scientist
@@KrKrp0n3 And I wonder how many papers the entire team on this channel have published in science journals compared to Thunderf00t? Perhaps you should stick to listening to music if you think making TH-cam videos is science. The information found on this channel is not the most reliable.
@@SarthorS
I am willing to bet UC Berkeley have more published more scientific papers than Thunderf00t have ever did or will .
This is been possible for decades. They’re called dehumidifiers and it is not an efficient way to obtain water. Regardless of the technique, you can’t get around the Thermo dynamics of condensing water from the air. This is something that anyone has taken an undergraduate chemistry course knows immediately.
Wouldn't that cause the air to become extremely dry???
No
Yes.
Dry areas seems to beget moisture. Dry air draws moisture in from wetter regions. Wetter regions becoming dry causes more water to evaporate. It is not like it would cause a global disaster. If it were truly bad people in winter or deserts would die from chronically chapped skin, not dehydration.
The only area that I might be concerned about would be the Atacama as that desert is locked due to climate inversion. That area would make for an interesting case study. It is raised where something like Death Valley is below see level. The North African deserts were created from the land rising but I doubt they have problems pulling moisture in for a minimum amount of relative humidity.
But what do I know?
@@badboybs98 yes, idiot
Charon C. Before you call someone an idiot how about you do some research yourself?
Do you really think an aluminum box is going to dry out 1000s of miles of air, and that evaporation is just going to stop all of a sudden?
Go back to school kid.
Time to start TAXING air now ~ 😂
finally i can transform my fart to drinking water for my friend
^this guy understands the future of innovation
There’s your urine which is easier to filter
FBI wants to know your location
I doubt this could cause dramatic climate crissies, but the Atacama would be an interesting case study.
Dry areas seems to beget moisture. Dry air draws moisture in from wetter regions. Wetter regions becoming dry causes more water to evaporate. It is not like it would cause a global disaster. If it were truly bad people in winter or deserts would die from chronically chapped skin, not dehydration.
The only area that I might be concerned about would be the Atacama as that desert is locked due to climate inversion. That area would make for an interesting case study. It is raised where something like Death Valley is below see level. The North African deserts were created from the land rising but I doubt they have problems pulling moisture in for a minimum amount of relative humidity.
But what do I know?
This is old technology that’s been upgraded
Oh hey look someone's wrong on the internet. Did thunderf00t teach you that being a skeptic meant not watching videos and leaping to assumptions? Dgmw, he was right about using standard dehumidifiers but tell me how this is the same thing, and ill tell you how you're wrong using only info i got from actually watching the video. Lets rumba, spooky.
@@christiii1059 the thing is, all the info is in the video
Sorry CG, this is just a hi-tech dehumidifier.
@@peanutrbuckle9123 woah yknow what? I never looked at it from that angle! You're very smart, high iq, beat words, stable genius. Everyone clap.
This is very ingenious.
Yeah its called dehumidifier. And guess what? It works only in humid areas.... Which dont have water problem.
Dissapointed that you would report this...
What takes no energy to collect takes energy to release. So how does the math check out with releasing the water efficiently in terms of energy expendituure?
You can turn Lead into gold too -.-
It will just cost much more than market price of gold...
It is funny that you are not talking about price of this tech.
I'm 100% positive it would be cheaper to bring water in cisterns...
This is definitely some mars colonization tech disguised as humanitarian tech
@@tofolcano9639 There is no water vapor in any harvestable quantity in mars atmosphere.
Oh shit thunderf00t gonna have a field day with this one
Today's fact: Samuel Jackson has a clause in his film contracts that allows him to play golf during film shoots whenever he wants.
God bless u
@@gardensoundrecords3598... But god doesn't exist...
@Jam looked for him for years, he wasn't there, but that's ok, I still found peace ✌️
@@gardensoundrecords3598 Morgan Freeman does.
@@marsbase3729 I hate it when people do this... Just let the man belive whatever he wants. Why say he is wrong instead of not saying anything?
FYI, there’s so many lead pipes around the world that we will wait until they go bad before we fix them one at a time.. 😓
Hay, @Thunderf00t. We have another one.
My company has 100+ air conditioners doing the same job , has been dripping out 1000+ liters of water a day, collected , purified and used.
Funny how many thunderf00t fans acting like this technology is bs. We've been doing it for a long time now.
How many times do we have to debunk this? seriously, not possible. please save us thunderf00t
But doesn't extracting the water from air lead to drought because the air won't be as humid anymore?
"Pure and drinkabale water right away"
Isn't pure water bad for you because of the diffusion into cells that causes them to pop like a pimple?
pure water causes your skin to be irritated from over hydration. I put some on my hand at an old job, it was ichy
Thunderfoot is going to have a heart attack
One word- *DEHUMIDIFIER*
Welp, time for moisture farming. But wait, we need to go get some power coverters
Oh man Thunderf00t is about to tear you up Seeker!
UC Berkeley scientists: Great Scott! We've invented moisture farming!
Moisture farmers on Tatooine: ...
Oh god another one of these * rolls eyes
The larger variants will be called Grand-Mofs.
We will finally have tattooine moisture farmers.
Can’t wait for thunder foot to cover this video
Now make water out of carbon dioxide
Meanwhile Minecraft players:
**JUST MAKE SNOW MORE SNOWIER**
??
@@itscatiooo he is talking about the upcoming update in minecraft where the snow in mountains will get SnOWiEr
@@itscatiooo ~to fix climate change~
@@lordkingsman2minecraft810 ~in a video game~ gtfo.
And after 10 to 20 years people would be like we are gonna be out air😂😂
So, it's a fancy dehumidifier? 🙄
At the risk of sounding ignorant to the science; wouldn't taking moisture out of the air make the surrounding area more dry as a result? Come up with a more efficient way to make sea water drinkable then im excited. It could solve the problems of rising sea levels and drought all at once.
Can't wait for thunderf00t to debunk This one. But if he didn't, then This is legit science.
Great Idea. I wonder how that would affect Humidity
Thunderf00t says no
Even if you can condent the water very efficiently is there that much water in the dessert very dry air, this is not next to the ocean or in the middle of a rainforest you know
ThunderF00t wants to know your location*
Seeker: water from air!
The laws of thermodynamics: wait that's no-
Thunderf00t: No, dont even say it. I've dealt with this fuckery before.
2:41 I think it's full mate
Oops, sorry!
Cloudy with a chance of meatballs 3 looks pretty promising
For you
Um you mean a dehumidifier? lord thundorf00t does not approve!
So many negative comments! How do you guys come up with this stuff? I'm truly impressed.
never heard of a dehumidifier? Yes really impressive groundbreaking stuff here...
i didn't look at comments yet but i am sure there will be a lot of thunderfoot fans
Modi is definitely right
Where Thunderf00t at?
MIT and UC Berkley: makes a desiccant based water harvester that is less efficient than a humidifier..
Thunderf00t: hold my beer...
My air conditioning in my house has been doing this for years...
If this was implemented on a large scale would it not affect the overall water content in the air aswell as surrounding plants?
Whenever theres a weird scientific breakthrough thats barely gaining any traction except on “science” based channels and always have the “here’s how” at the end, expect it to be complete dog shit and never see the light of day
it could have a ton of traction and be BS too
You wouldnt want it to anyway. This is yet more short sighted nonsense from ego stroking researchers looking to rush to fame. If our species actually relied on this to maintain our consumption of water, and with current growth rates, we would alter the entire weather pattern of the planet by sucking so much moisture out of it.
It is because of people interested in pop culture and kardashians aswell as propagandist media so u r to be blamed
@@lordx4641 I wouldn't say that the whole world is
@@divergentevolution8114 not to say the atmosphere already sucks the water out of itself... Ever heard of RAIN?
Dehumidifier?
I see a Thunderfoot reply coming.
Is there any down side to this? Like the desalination process of making water raises the salinity in the ocean.
I'm only here for the Thunderf00t comments. I'm not disappointed.
Honestly same!
This isn't new, my uncle Owen had these a long time ago back on Tatooine.
That sounds awesome that they can make water like that hopefully it's safe to drink and it would be even better if they could make a desert into an oasis
Yup. Gotta drink the most filtered stuff. But thevgray water should be recycled for plants.
No. It's literally someone reinventing the dehumidifier for the trillionth time.
"Dehumidification removes water vapor from the desert air" would be the appropriate title. There is nothing transforming anything.
if the could spontaneously combine random Oxygen molecules with free floating hydrogen molecules, then I would agree with the title. But even that's not transforming. Take three heavier elements and start removing protons and electrons until you get to the hydrogen and oxygen you are looking for. That would be transformative.
Break down carbon to Hydrogen and perhaps you'll have the golden goose.
Ah yes ENSLAVED MOISTURE
Meanwhile a water pipeline delivers water faster, uses less energy, and very low tech.
And works in a desert.
So how long is efficiency kept up? With it relying on such a small pore structure dust from cycling air through it especially with a fan and even more so in dry climates which are more dusty, this will clog and cover all the material quite fast I imagine. So how is this prevented or cleaned off? Does most of the water have to be sacrificed each time for rinsing off the material? Because tap or ground water would be high in mineral deposits which would leave mineral salts that would quickly build up and cover all the material which is even harder to get rid of than dust.
Thirsty peeps wants to know your location!
Since the air is made up of water vapor, it's no wonder that we can get water from the air. LOL !!!
Hmmm i see, sucking the humidity from an already arid environment, i see no side effects
Exactly that is a really bad idea because in certain dry areas the water will accumulate in areas with low pressure. People should know don't mess with cycles because you will probably disrupt it and you will break the system. Why can't they just use desalinated water. That will not interfere as much with weather system. At least the place is not getting drier probably wetter.
@@user-pg5re1cg7d because most of these desert regions are thousands of miles away from the ocean. The cost of desalination is also pretty high on large scales.
@@MrObveous777 most people that life in a desert life in close proximity to the ocean. I don't know what would be more expensive this or desalination plant by the cost per liter.
but if you take the moisture from the air it has to be replaced which will cause more evaporation from the land
Thunderfoot (So MOF -303 is like solar freaking roadways) 🤣
Dehumidifiers have existed for decades
Before I even watch i just wanna say. I cant wait for Thunderf00t to debunk this. Laws of thermodynamics.
What do you get when you put a bunch of MOFs together? A _Grand MOF!_ 😝
Before even watching the video all I wanna say is that I can hear that mighty laugh....
of the "God of thermodynamics" aka Thunderf00t!