How Spain is Making Abundant Water in the Desert
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- Deserts make up one third of all land area on planet earth, and this area has been increasing due to climate change and loss of some wetlands all around the world.
Although the word “desert” may bring to mind a sea of shifting sand, dunes cover only about 10 percent of the world’s deserts. Some deserts are mountainous, others are dry expanses of rock, sand, or salt flats.
The world’s largest hot desert, The Sahara, is a subtropical desert in northern Africa. The Sahara Desert is almost the size of the United States.
The islands which are closest to the African mainland, Fuerteventura and Lanzarote, are effectively desert or semi desert and are also considered subtropical deserts. These volcanic islands are known as The Canary Islands and are officially part of Spain's territory, historically they been considered a link between the four continents of Africa, North America, South America, and Europe. Now they are an attractive destination for over 12 million visitors each year who want to enjoy a warm climate all year around and the scenic rugged terrain.
However the terrain wasn’t always like this, the islands were once completely covered in laurel forests, a prehistoric natural treasure. These forests once covered much of Northern Africa and Southern Europe up until roughly 20,000 years ago but due to Human Impact and Global Climate Change they have almost entirely disappeared, except for a few last remaining areas within The Canary Islands which are now being threatened by land degradation due to over tourism and increasing populations since the 1950s, according to this research paper, desertification has intensified in the last 50 years despite the intensive deforestation in 15th and 19th centuries, which also took its toll on the landscape.
Laurel forests are so crucial since they are extremely humid and wet, they are full of biodiversity and are the life support system for these islands, without them the islands would turn completely to desert just like the Sahara next door.
Almost 330,000 hectares which is 44% of the surface area of the archipelago is affected by severe processes of accelerated water erosion according to the same research paper, titled: Factors and process leading to desertification in The Canary Islands, particularly in Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria are worst affected because of the sparse vegetation and intense human pressure on the land. Approximately 280,000 hectares which is 38% of the surface area of The Canaries is affected by wind erosion. High salinity of the soil is also a huge issue for agricultural land affecting 84% of farmland.
However on the island of Gran Canaria there is a project that is starting to turn this around, in this video we will show you how a new innovative technology is going to capture 215,000 liters of fog and dew to help plant 20,000 laurel trees to stop the advancement of the desert.
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global warming is a hoax, stop spreading that nonsense
no, calling it climate change only confirms that your previous term was a LIE !!
It's a good process.... Hopefully more tech like what was shown can be invented for arid desert regions of Africa like the Sahara where clouds are rare or unseen....
you say the dams are drying up well yes, when Hitler was friends with Franco he told him build dams, and charge for the water, but they have dried up almost every river in Spain, contributing to global climate change.. this man does the job the government should do, but as long as the Nazi King is in power nothing will change
If it can be done without affecting the ecosystem balance adversely... right?
Where can we get this material. Do you know where we can buy? Please answer.
I like the idea of collecting water from fog. I think it should be a temporary solution, and should be used to water tree seedings, as trees do the best job of collecting water.
and someone else looses water.
What they are doing is much more efficient and clearly much easier to collect the water from the mesh than from leaves or pine needles.
Plus, with the mesh collectors they can direct the water to anywhere and used it for multiple things.
If you used just trees then you end up with large trees that you cannot really collect enough water from and those trees don't collect enough to feed themselves else they would already have populated the very place where they are doing the fog mining for water.
@@mjs28s One thing doesn't exclude the other. Use both and the 🎄 will replace ground water supply and pond's and lakes.
@@standingbear998 No, this is cloud water, they're far from depleted through this process. The clouds just pass over the islands and the rain would fall into the Atlantic ocean. The Canary Islands are dry because the clouds are carried North/West, not because there isn't enough evaporation from the ocean.
No-one else loses water. Do pay attention. These are islands in the middle of the ocean. There’s plenty more ocean between this and the continent for more water to evaporate from. This is in fact the beginning of restoration of the rainfall pattern that happened before recent deforestation.
Did she say that these forests started disappearing about 20,000 years ago due to human impact on global climate change? If so, what impact did humans have 20,000 years ago on climate?
Yes more bull shit climate carp😂😂😂
I literally lol
None. In fact, desertification was caused by the change in the inclination of the earth, which caused the northern hemisphere to cool down. In fact that is the reason why the Sahara arose. The northern hemisphere received 7% more energy from the sun, which caused the air currents with water vapor from the Atlantic to go inland. As the temperature and therefore the amount of steam in the Atlantic air decreased, the currents reversed, taking the hot air from Africa towards the sea, causing progressive desertification. So no, it wasn't humanity that did it.
Climate change..
.even before we knew the phrase!!!
Yes. I wonder how long the forrest was there previously. Another intriguing thought...
Nylon mesh used on South America last three years before failure due to photo oxidative degradation but today they last 20 years with no UV degradation with a product called Alterin PAM from the UK
I can't seem to find it
funny enough,..i was born in gran canaria,...and live in Chile,.....and its actually here in chile where the locals invented the idea,with the fog sails....
glad to see,they are implementing the Chilean idea in my land......congratulations.
This is an ingenious solution for regeneration of deforested or burnt-down areas. I hope the authorities, federal, state, and local, are applying the lessons in California. The Marin Headlands especially can be reafforested.
They are using it for farming my friend
Respect nature and protect nature.
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Are you at least 80% vegan then?
@@descorulez Are you eating products that can only be grown in tropical climates and are a cause of deforestation?
wow look at that, we can all make snarky comments.
We can have a discussion about this, i know much stuff about how we pollute. The "eating" argoment is full of waste and bad emissions.
@@descorulez stop
The indigenous people in the Andes Mountains also use fog collectors and have been for some time (centuries), there are also different kinds of natural collectors made out of gardens in what is now Mexico and Guatemala.
It's good to perpetuate that knowledge on a mass scale. Rather than letting the satanists spread their lies of doom and gloom and eternal drought.
I really love seeing nature greening every season
Nature greening is nice. The grass in the lawns growing like weeds just means more work.
The Romans used to build "dry wells" in critical areas. At night, cool dark air sinks into the dry well, condensed on the stone sides, and dropped as water to the bottom. Given long enough, the well filled up. These were emergency water stores for military use.
(shrug) Don't know why that isn't still being done. This above ground moisture collection is basically the same thing.
The effect of condensation is naturally happening in a forest. That’s allowing a forest to recycle water and create its own rainfall. We have to plant trees everywhere. The dry lands in Spain were covered with vegetation not to long ago
Condensation requires humid air, so this system cannot be applied to the whole of Spain. The air in the south-east of the Iberian peninsula is quite dry so this system would deliver a limited amount of water.
@@itisabird correct
@@itisabird though, increasing green cover can alter low level humidity (condensation can still occur at night - even in the Sahara(. Just like encroaching desertification it happens around the perimeters (land use and abuse absolutely matters)..
I didn't knew this was already being used in the canaries, I always look here in my town to the mountain wich is covered regularly with fog, and think how much water could be extracted for agriculture.
DIY :D
This is old technology, I personally saw it working in the region of Coquimbo, Chile, 40 years ago, in the 1980s.
Fog water collection systems are also in use in Nazca, Peru
A simple dehumidifier, complete with a filter system, will provide safe water, so this technology should not be of any surprise.
Cool except it takes moisture out of the air that was going other places
I've seen this method before, of collecting the condensation through some type of "mesh material", usually near a
mountainous terrain, apparently used in Chile and other places, it should for sure start to be used in some parts of
Spain that are currently experiencing "drought" and bush-fires, as the lower rainfall makes it a higher risk for fires.
In the example shown in Gran Canaria, they have what can be called a complete water collection, with all the meshes
collecting the dew, and then it drips into the pipes or conduits, and are then collected in those 1000 liter tanks, it's a
brilliant idea, but the entire system would be costly, with the plumbing, tanks, electrical gauges, transport to collect
the tanks, plus any other costs. It is ideal for some situations that face drastic water shortages, while other places
a cheaper and easier way of "bringing water and moisture into the environment" can be installed.
In some places where they are trying to "regenerate" the forests and trees that once stood, but have been reduced
through "bad practices", water shortages, droughts, blights, funguses, diseases, wildfires, soil erosion, introduced
pests that ravage the natural landscape, the gradual "deforestation" that has occurred in many places, whether by
accident or by design, sometimes some people and some cultures seemingly and willingly destroy the environment
either for quick profits, or to make the surrounding lands "undesirable" for people to visit and stay there long-term,
they purposely deforest the environment, so that there are no natural resources, there are no places to visit, hang out,
go fishing, go hunting, go bush walking, not even any places to sit under a tree and get some shade, there's nothing
there that makes it interesting, that is their aim, it is an extremely small mind-set, that thinks by creating a barren
landscape, they themselves will then become more powerful, as all natural resources have been decimated, the only
resources that are left, are man-made resources, which those responsible for the "environmental cull" hope to be
snug as a bug in a rug, in a place that has shade, and they will proclaim themselves "the monopoly of resources"
Without an over-explanation about this type of water collection system, I personally think it is perfect, as they say in
the doco, the meshes, the "square nets" that collect the water, are effectively mimicking the trees themselves that
use a similar method, collecting the water through it's leaves or needles, after water droplets falling onto the ground,
which the trees use for watering. The "mesh nets" should be installed, by themselves everywhere that needs some
more water, moisture into the atmosphere, into the ground, and the water droplets then water the "planted trees and
seedlings", without all the other costs of the water collection, just the "meshes" with the new planted trees, which can
afterwards do the job of the meshes. The "ecosystems" of Mountains, and Forests are quite delicate, they are like a
"chain" of natural phenomenons, when one part of the cycle, when one link of the chain is broken, the whole ecosystem
breaks down, and then you start the "desertification" process, sometimes human intervention is needed to reverse this
process, just like human intervention, started the process. Everyone that lives in an area that is prone to droughts, or a
drying landscape, should be looking at "horizontal precipitation" - it will bring "vertical vegetation"
I think as long as the water is used for regenerative efforts like those seen here, then crack on. My biggest concern is that everyone jumps on these collection methods where and when they don't need to, or in geographic areas which would definitely benefit from it, but keep the water for themselves/profit. It's screwing over the future in the same way that pollution now is screwing over the climate future. If you suck up all the moisture from the air, you're messing with the hydrological cycle.
@@brymstoner I wondered about this last time I came across this concept of condensation as a way to collect moisture in air. There are some ancient aquaducts found in both South America and in Egypt that people used piles of stones to collect water that would trickle down the inside walls. I wonder theoretically how much water the atmosphere can hold and what level of extraction humans would have to do to really make a difference. Clearly, humans will cause negative impact when doing anything at a large enough scale. Maybe its not about finding one alternative to go all in on, but rather use various methods of water collection so as to not over extract from any single source and disrupt the vulnerable balance.
@@TheGrape1234 the key is regeneration. if it's not done in a regenerative way, which is what makes something truly sustainable, then all we're doing is taking resources. and the planet cannot support this long term.
most people look at, for example, lost tribes and think what a backward people; still living in mud huts or have simple ways, etc. simple though their ways may be, they certainly aren't motivated by capitalism and greed when it comes to their resources. the expression "it takes a village" exists for good reason. we'd all, society as a whole, do good to revisit and better understand and appreciate this expression right now more than ever.
it's not too late to get the balance back on track. when we all went into the first global lockdown, the planet could breathe again. short-lived though it was, we had a cracking few properly weathered seasons. briefly. then the roads and waterways began repopulating and the pollution began bellowing back into the skies. now it feels like we're putting out more pollution than before the pandemic. what followed and is still happening was a series of environmental catastrophes. floods, wildfires, droughts, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, glaciers receding and altogether disappearing faster than ever.
as outlandish as it sounds, we honestly might stand a better chance of moving to space (earth orbit), the moon and/or mars at this point. just to save the planet from dying.
@limbinniaq WHAT 100 Euros !? thats like a 1,000 gal tank ?
The problem with this system is that it takes water out of the air, and that water is then not available further downwind. That means that you are only moving the desertification downwind. Further, these systems are so efficient at removing water from air that the dry area downwind is much larger and mch dryer, leading to increased and more intense wildfires which burn much more quickly through much larger areas. Not exactly what California needs.
Take a look at the video again, and notice how the trees downwind from the collectors are a lighter colour of green, yellowish, or in some cases outright dead, as compared to the trees upwind and to the sides.
Really the only solution to climate change is to reduce and then maintain family sizes until our population is greatly reduced. Increasing our population will only lead to worsening problems of desertification and climate change.
Ancient way of collecting water. Been doing it in Chille for years. Good idea
Fascinating and practical new technology. 5 years from now, what a change will be there!
Planting trees makes more sense
@@lillyblack3322
Planting mangroves, protecting soil, encouraging diversity, etc works better than 99% of tech.
@@lillyblack3322 did you not watch the video? They are planting trees with the water from fog nets to help
The tech has been around for over fifty years lol
This is a great idea👍🏼👏🏼 It should be started collecting water in even more countries
This is a well researched, well presented mini- documentary about a critically important topic. I am grateful for all of your information and work.
TY!
What happens to the areas down airflow stream that now have 18 million liters of water less a year to use in their ecosystem?
@@JimNichols Considering this area was affected by human behavior, restoring it to its' original ecosystem. That water was normally captured by tons of trees and kept on the island. And I don't know how much they are "taking" from anywhere else considering it's an island?
@@JimNichols that is actually very little water and most of it will end up right back in the air.
@@JimNicholswondered the same thing. Seems a brilliant use for reforestation, as here on the Gran Canary. However, if widely implemented say in CA & all western USA states consumed by wildfires, seems the rest of the nation (and🌎) may receive less natural rainfall bc🚫💧☁️☁️
People don't understand how important plants are to us all.
I really hope this project works not just for the sake of the environment but also for the people
More forest means more rain, so it’s good for both the environment and people
You need some kind of environment for people to exist...
This seems like it would be so easy and cost effective to implement along the coasts in the USA. Agriculture is such a big consumer of water, and it’d make perfect sense for farmers to implement.
😂Do your Coastal Desert mountains get a lot of fog?
Oh, don't worry, your government plans to destroy the agriculture in any case, so I wouldn't bother with investment. Let the megacorporations take care of it when they finalize the land grab...
Yes as well as the central valley
@@michelec3741 Go for it. It will take 40 million units to provide 100 litters per person.
@@Oscarcat2212 Shes delusional and still thinks men should open the door for her. Let her live in disney land.
Some Native American elders view the desert as a garden. But most people see a barren wasteland and succumb to the heat without noticing plant life and places where water can be found beneath the surface of the soil.
There is an ecological place for deserts just as there is for every tipe of biome. But please let us not romantice desertification just because some people and species call it their home. The places mentioned were supposed to be forests.
Thank you for producing these videos it is great to find out what it happening in some of the most arid areas of the World.
half way into the video "in this video, we'll show you how"
A young girl in Africa adopted this method, and solved her families water probs....It proves that setting pipelines isn't the only way to supply hydro in difficult areas...
This technique is used in Nature by the Kalahary Scarabs to get drinking water. What you are doing is good, in Madeira and Azores Islands there are good laurel forests, but this is to little to what is really needed. And do not forget the fire hazard in those regions. To Spain and Portugal this is just a tiny drop. Whe need much more water.
love how everyone thinks this is new.
"One of the first recorded projects of fog collection was in 1969 . . ."
I know right lol i saw a documentary or video about this being done in south america years ago ill try and find it and link it here . i hate how people try and take credit for others inventions .
th-cam.com/video/h8rQ5aHAnuE/w-d-xo.html Found it
While people bicker about the why, if etc I love the 'little people' getting on with finding solutions. That guy is awesome and it will be fascinating to see these drought stricken places turn green again. Wow, superb. 💚
If water collection is measured in hundreds of liters, this attests to the fragility of our ecosystems.
at 4:00 they say, "stick with us as we dive into...."
That is where the video actually starts.... 4 minutes into the runtime
We have no idea how this is going to effect the natural cycle of the worlds water system .. clearly the desert is important in regulating this .. hopefully we won’t see this becoming destructive
That is the first thing that came to my mind.
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way.
The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own.
Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
Extracting water from one place and transferring it to another. How is this different from extracting water from creeks/rivers and transferring it to another place as is currently being done on the islands?
It's not. Plus the manufacture of the nets ads carbon to the atmosphere.
At the root of our problem is overpopulation. We need to drastically reduce our population (preferably by reducing our reproduction rather than killing each other), or the planet will reduce it for us, possibly to extinction. I don't hold out a lot of hope. I suspect that we are not evolved enough to do it. I suspect that the majority of the population is incapable of understanding what the problems are, and that even those who are, do not have the self control it takes to reproduce only enough to simply replace themselves and no more, not to mention not reproducing less than enough to replace themselves. My life is nearly at its end, so I will not have to suffer through the worst of it. I left no children behind, so I will not have to worry about their futures and the futures of their offspring. I will therefore take my leave of life knowing that I did what I could, and that I left no one to suffer. Still, I feel great sorrow for all the people and animals which will have to experience it.
following the Chilean example, well done! everyone who can should do so right now, we need all the water we can gather
There is abundant pure water vapor over the ocean surface. This can be collected by similar methods deployed on floats or rafts. Wind or waves can power pumps to bring Seawater through old refrigerator coils to cool collectors for a boost in efficiency.
Thus no desalination is required to produce tons of pure fresh water.
This should be a world wide project whether they have water shortages or not
We need water not desalination
glad to see some of these guys putting up trees and green around their water veins. will help hold in some of the moisture and still allow some moisture to reach areas that are now being denied.
This is very exciting. I'm interested in knowing where all this type of system could be used? Could you potentially use it in a high desert? Shouldn't there being some moisture in the air?
This method should be used where ever this is a substantial amount of fog to be captured. It is already being used in many parts of the Central and South America coast where fog regularly comes in every day. It's an ingenious way of capturing water and it doesn't affect ground water or require pumping water from underground. I think it can be one of many solutions to Spain's water crisis. On top of planting many millions of trees as well as other types of conservation. Including reducing the use of water in landscaping, planting less water intensive garden plants in residential areas and hotels. They could also plant trees and shrubs using the Goasis box (look it up on TH-cam). There are many ways of reducing water use and harvesting water that doesn't affect river or ground water. We, as humans, just need to stop being so lazy.
Groasis is as problematic as any tech solution. A better solution would be to plant pioneer trees.
@@b_uppy The Groasis water box should be used to plant the trees in as it saves water and gives the trees a continuous source of water. Also, no need for human intervention to water the trees.
@@soulshadoww55
You can do better with planting pits and mulch, waffle gardens, swales, bioswales, bunds, check dams etc. Additionally mulch adds to natural biological activity by supporting fungi. It can remain there without threat of strangling a tree as it grows larger.
Additionally if pioneering trees are used they also add to other plants to ability establish...
@@b_uppy is there any reason you cant do both or even it all at the same time?
The regenarative ideas are no secret it is known, but it takes quite alot of effort but i think we both can agree those efforts are well worth it in the long run.
These nets imo are the seeds if water that kickstart the rest if the system.
Consider that in most places these bets are most needed in dont have trees nor the conditions to support healthy growth. So to tackle the problems in the correct order is crucial.
1 water
2 water retention and as ypu states many great solutions to that
3 improvement of soil or even to add soil if it is completely lacking or introduce cover crops grasses to stabilize hillside
4 trees but this even in this system takes years to reach self sustaining so nets are great and needed for atleast 10-20 years before tree overage does the nets job, but depends on the local conditions of course.
No matter what i dont like to see either or thinking. Sadly the economy of the system is what in the end decides what will be done, therefor nets will be done 100 times before regenarative system will be implemented.
You probably allready seen/know about this cool water competition in India i link to 1 video but same dude has made a series so check them out
th-cam.com/video/-8nqnOcoLqE/w-d-xo.html
Here is the competition website
www.paanifoundation.in/watercup/
It amazes me how much has been done in such incredible short timespan and how great things are when everyone helps/pitches in to do the work.
@@fridaybot
Regenerative is different from permaculture, as the latter has ethics.
Additionally the Groasis could later girdle a tree. The Groasis is limited in size whereas a planting pit, swale, etc are can be scaled much larger. Many sites can provide the necessary materials to make them, so you are avoiding extra costs, toting, shipping,, etc.
The Groasis actually impairs healthy biological activity as well.
Quick question. Once the new plants and trees have grown, do they still depend on the collectors to get water?
The video explains that the system has been copied from what the trees themselves do, so the answer is no. Once the trees are high and dense enough, they'll perform the process themselves.
They tell you that the answer is "no", but actually that is only for the trees the collectors service. The collectors are very efficient at removing water from the atmosphere, and that leaves a drought shadow downwind. Basically all they do is change where the areas of drought and desertification are. You can see the start of this in the video. If you look at the areas immediately downwind of the collectors, you'll see that the trees are a lighter colour, or yellowish, or sometimes even dead, when compared to the trees upwind or to the side of them. That's because they are not getting enough water. All this system does is take water from one place and put it in another. In a way, it's no different than taking water from streams and rivers and moving it to another place. In the long run, the streams and rivers will remain dry, and the areas behind the collectors will dry up too. Often times the solution is worse than the problem.
When will this be mass produced and implemented?
When I send them the necessary funds!
I think more trees and vegetation eventually will collect more moisture. I remember back where I grew as a kid there area of us were more trees, less population and more snow or rain comparable to the next valley where more populated, lesser trees and vegetation and less snowfall or rain.
its probably true thats why they are using the water from the nets to help plant more trees, the goal is more trees then more moisture will come
I am curious how removing additional water vapor from the atmosphere affects weather patterns. Yes, its good some people and or animals can get some water. In the long run, its going to have some effect.
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way.
The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own.
Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
If we can harnessed water in the desert air, then growing trees n plants n farms r possible. Well Done Spain 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
How sustainable is this method, especially when implemented large scale? Does capturing water higher in the mountains decrease rainfall in lowlands?
I hope this technology will be also made available to neighboring Morocco to benefit from it and where it is even more needed
There is a project in Morrocco called Aqualonis, which we covered in a previous video, It was the biggest fog collector system to date, but there is always room for expansion
doesnt look hard to reproduce. get a plastic liner. hang up etc.
This technology as a principle has been known to man for many hundred years. The first documented large scale modern fog collector dates back to 1969 - more than 50 years ago. So the reason it is not widespread is not the "newness" of the technology but the limited places on earth where it is possible to collect enough water reliably. Yes, you might collect 160 liters in one day under optimal conditions, but that does not help if this only occurs once every 10 years. Its the monthly average that really counts.
That said, fog collection is one of the better "re-invented" technologies for water harvesting. If you have the right location. It is cheap, and can produce usable quantities of water consistently. But most places with a lot of fog also have a lot of rain. And with enough rain, fog collection is pointless. But in the few places on earth with regular fog and little rain it is excellent. In other places dew condensation nets can also be beneficial, but with a much lower yield than fog.
@@JoppeOSL First you should convince absolute king Mohamed Vi. You can usually find him in Paris disguised as a Rap Star, where he lives a criptogay life with his lover and beloved partner, a famous marocan boxing star. It does not mean that homosexuallity is free in Morocco. No, in fact they put you in jail for being gay.... Except if you are a descendent of Fátima, the daughter of Muhamad....
It´s an amazing project. However, as it´s also stated in the comments, the project is not an original idea. Has been used for generations, with more rustic elements, in different territories. That includes the very Canary Islands, in places like El Hierro, that took the example of it´s own historical-legendary fog-tree, the Garoé. I agree it´s an underused system!
An important idea for sure, and atmospheric water generators can condense water vapor into water wherever the humidity is above ~40%, the higher the easier. The most important and expensive component is a dehumidifier, and you can build your own - plans available online, or buy one?
On a much smaller scale this system is producing water for small Baja west coastal communities which have a steady supply of fog.
This system should fill some small artificial lake or pond to improve drought resilience while profiting the whole ecosystem. Not that those ugly plastic container can't be handy but a decent reservoir can give you fish while maintaining the surrounding land humidity level and do pretty much the same job. Let say keep those container for human drinking water.
These fog collectors should be heavily funded and established in all suitable areas across the globe, there really usnt any negative aspect to it
I'm sure I saw that approach already 10-15 years ago being used in northern Africa, I believe...
If you make collector as round matreshka tubes, expandable as tower, plus fabric shoube from steal and it is needed to cold generator from it is possible to have tank underground And pump so you can improve condensation and this system was invented 10 years ago, whatever it can help Portugal, Spain, Kazakhstan and other countries to be less dependent on underground water
Any statistics of usage? not what it potentially can, but what it produce. in average day in month
Is the mesh eco-friendly? Does it contain PFAS or nanolastics? This seems like a good idea but I think it is worth considering the materials used and opt for ecofriendly non0toxic materials to make the mesh so ti minimize pollution.
This is such exciting stuff! Excellent journalism and inspirational focus. Thank you!
It's not exciting. It's terrifying. Look closely at the video, and notice how the trees downwind of the collectors are anywhere from a lighter colour than the trees upwind to downright dead. These collectors are very efficient at taking all the water out of the air, leaving none for the plants downwind. This creates larger dry areas, resulting in larger, more intense wildfires, and larger desertification. These systems are not a solution. Rather, the create a much larger problem for someone else downwind.
Our population is at the root of the global climate problem. We have pushed our numbers beyond what our planet can handle, and unless we learn to control our population (preferably through much reduced reproduction rather than killing each other), the planet will control our population for us, possibly to extinction. Sadly, I don't think we are evolved enough for most of our population to understand this, and/or to exercise the self-restraint which would be required for this to happen. My life is nearly over, and I left no offspring to experience the horrors which are coming. I have nothing but sorrow in my heart for those who are young, and those who are yet to come. They will have to suffer in horrendous ways which are hard for many of us to imagine.
Amazing stuff
Isn't there a similar weather phenomenon in the Namib desert? Also in parts of India & surrounding countries?
it is but namib desert uses much bigger systems and sends water to pumping station instead of sending directly to trees
Much of Spain's deforestation happened during the WW II when people hewn the forests to sell or heating (survival). Nobody thought about replanting in those days. Today, projects have replanted on mountain sloops and elsewhere with the help of Growasis, which roots plants with only 10% irrigation. A forest takes a man-age to grow, but reports of positive climate change, with rain and snow, are already coming in.
Brilliant!
interesting fact, the canary islands were at one point known as the flemish islands, flanders did not colonise them as a state but many flemings chose to settle them, those that remained trough the centuries have offcourse been spanified when Spain took them
Moisture farmers are a must in the deserts of Tatooine.
Such a simple yet absolutely brilliant idea!
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thank you ... what a wonderful report, wish I could be part of this exciting project!
A few years ago I watched another video on TH-cam where they are using similar technology to provide water to thousands of people.
That is cool! I wonder if that same type of fog collector would work in areas of the US that is experiencing drought problems.
Works anywhere where the fogs are abundant.
An excellent helpful video. Highly recommended. Thank you very much for sharing.
It's that high octane coffee they drink. You're constantly making water.
Where I live the Tall Trees drip water down, and soak the ground, whenever it gets foggy.
If you already have clouds with water, you can just do artificial rain whenever you need water. Its probably way cheaper than this method
How??
I think they need to check the facts.
1. What kind of weather situation is more suitable for such project?
2. What is the temperature condition should be to initiate such project?
3. What is the minimum humidity % has to be?
There are lot of barriers. If you don't check those facts, you are going to partially and unknowingly damage any economical structure.
Using mesh to collect fog water is 30 years old invention of one Spanish Inventor!
Is atmospheric water harvesting responsible for no rain? Removing water from air through nets or machine can change the atmosphere.
deserts seems to play an important part in world cycles.
Similar setups are being installed on the mountains along the Peru and Chile coasts
Yes, I saw such a technology at work in the 1980s in the region of Coquimbo, Chile.
If you put these up in a long line along a dried up river bed or lake basin what happens?
They should use the Groasis waterbox for planting seedlings so that they only need to fill up water once at planting, then the box waters the seedling from then on.
The idea was almost the same with the specific kind of cactus from american deserts.
Sae this for the first time in Africa. Was working well enough.
There was a documentary back in 1977 that mentioned this technology, and they were called "Moisture Vaporators"
Spain must scale this up on a large scale to regret deserts.a promised technology for the future.
Do they have a similar water capture technology in the mountains of northern Chile!
"Planting water" full cycle. It is exciting to take care of the soil and the land.
Beautiful! Thank you for sharing!
this is also being done in south america.
Yes, here in Chile, for instance, for the last 40 years, at least.
We always used to say changing climate as ever it has. We appear to be in a warming glacial period within a global cooler cycle.
Does behind roots of these plants they burry a Full Bucket of Water which replenishes from these nets?
Catching water from fog is anything _but_ "revolutionary new technology." It was used for ages in areas such as Atacama and Namib deserts, and modern installation date to half a century ago. But nice to see it employed here, too.
Yes they did, what is new here is the design
@@LeafofLifeWorld Fair enough.
Thank you TH-cam and United Nations Overlords for providing the context and instructing us on the correct way to think. We're forever in your service and if you tell us we has no choice than drought then we accept.
Interesting and rewarding to watch and yes the 20,000 years ago comment raised an eyebrow here too. 😊
People still need drinking water to survive. And water drunk by people doesn't just disappear guys, it also end up circulating back into the environment.
There is an unlimited water supply deep in the earth called Primary water that can assist in making 90% of the dryland/deserts green again that would then produce their own rain.
An alternative approach would be to offer our politicians as a symbolic gesture to appease the Rain Gods.
That tecnique is known for ages...but good! Already done in the Atacama and Morrocco.
Water fog is only possible if there is enough water to form fog in the first place...
Do we know how this will affect weather and climate if a lot of places do this on large scale??
This is the same concept of the sharks tower by an Italian engineer… it’s a great adaptation though seems way more efficient
Does this deplete the fog to the point where it will harm vegetation in the immediate area?
No that doesn't happen I spoke to a fog net scientist at university and he said that there is plenty of fog these nets cannot take it all
Wonder if they thought of introducing mangroves to their coasts? It may be worth the ecological disruption. It's possible they had mangrove forests before and they were killed off. Mangroves are import in restoring hydrologic cycles. They also need to work on their impervious surfaces and start thinking about bioswales and the like..
It would be good to investigate.
Monocultures of laurel trees sounds problematic. Usually plant diversity works better, though pioneer trees are important if the landscape is severely degraded...
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Physical weathering: This is the disintegration of rocks into smaller particles with no alteration in their molecular structure. Air and water are agents of physical weathering. Windblown on rocks, heavy downpour of rain, water waves from the sea can facilitate a gradual fragmentation of rock particles to sediments which eventually become soil.
Chemical weathering: In chemical weathering chemical reactions within rocks create changes in their mineral composition. Examples of chemical reactions leading to weathering are hydrolysis, carbonation, oxidation and hydration.
• Hydrolysis: hydrolysis occurs as rain water seeps through rocks and the hydrogen ion (H+) in water reacts with metallic ions in rocks resulting in dissolution of rock minerals.
• Carbonation: During carbonation carbon dioxide from the air and from living organisms dissolve in water to form carbonic acid. This acidifies water in rocks leading to further chemical reaction with rock minerals.
• Oxidation: in oxidation oxygen from the air reacts with iron in rocks to form iron oxides. This reaction creates a rusty brown colouration on rocks.
Biological weathering: In this process biological organisms facilitate rock fragmentation. Tree roots and mosses grow or penetrate through rocks and create pore spaces which gradually pull rocks apart. Animals burrow through rocks and create disintegration. Micro organisms like lichen (a symbiotic relationship between fungi and algae) release chemicals which break down rock minerals.
Additionally check dams, bunds, swales, bioswales, other rainwater harvesting earthworks and techniques build soil by preventing it washing away.
Humus, animal waste also provides growing medium to support plant life.
Additionally pioneer trees are exactly what you use in these challenging sites...
Ten years from now clouds are gonna be on the endangered list😅
Not only for desert. That must be amplified at larger scale. Recent price hike of gas, electricity and water in Madrid makes life harder & harder. Optimism?