@@kaylasopinionpost It usually goes on sale a couple times per year. Last time , they sold out in about 4 days & was available again a week or 2 later. I think Nikon limits the numbers of sale units or, under estimated the popularity of the D850.
The used market for DSLRs is a paradise for buyers who's after a great deal. Secondhand semiprofessional full frame DSLRs are becoming available to people who couldn't dream about such gear a few years back.
@@ivankiefer3886 you get more features sure. But you also don't often get a full-frame sensor, a pentaprism viewfinder, better build quality, no crop, et cetera.
Typical from photographers, they only care about video and they never understood that a good audio can make the difference between a good video and a bad one.
That's because they're taking different pathways in your brain and arrive at different times. -Any sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality
@@A3Kr0n Not in this case, not with such a big delay. In this particular case they took different paths trough separate audio and video hardware, not only in the brain. Probably they recorded the video with a photo camera and the audio from a separate mic (which of course is the best way to do it). But then somebody did a bad job at syncing both in the editing software, and then another mistake uploading to TH-cam without proper quality control. So all the brains were working nominally here, they were just focused in the wrong priorities. A pity because in a 10min video of somebody talking all the time the audio sync is more important than the lighting, dressing and room decoration. Fortunately the content is very worth it, original, precise and well documented , not an imitation as most others do on this platform. So thumbs up clicked and thank you very much.
I just bought a Canon 90D. I've got nothing against mirrorless, well except for the price. Since I'm invested in EF & EF-S lenses, I figured it would be safe to go with what I figure is Canon's ultimate version of an APS-C DSLR. It should serve me well for years to come.
I wouldn't expect for lenses to disappear anytime soon. The dSLRs use lenses that are shared with 35mm film cameras. Most of the digital bits of a dSLR are shared with mirrorless, making a maintenance of the status quo with some improvements to the sensor technology relatively cheap. Mirrorless cameras have been around since almost the beginning of consumer grade digital cameras, I remember when I was looking for my first dSLR, that Sony already had their F707 which was essentially a mirrorless dZLR camera. It was effectively a Zoom Lens Reflex camera with a digital monitor replacing the mirror array that one would normally use. It was an intriguing camera because it could do things like see in near complete darkness and, IIRC, burn images to optical media. Personally, I had a similar camera a decade back and it wasn't a bad camera, but I just prefer the look and feel of a proper dSLR. I'm a rather large man so carrying around 20# worth of kit isn't an issue for me, but I totally get why some people would prefer to have much less stuff and mirrorless is perfectly good for most things. Eventually, I'll probably pick up a medium and/or large format camera with a digital back because those can do some pretty cool stuff. Landscape tends to just look better with a large format camera due to the wide angles that are possible with the lenses.
Excellent audio synch is dead! Not just the Dentists of the world but also the Northrups. Only way I can see Nikon surviving is if 50% of their current DSLR owners switch to Z cameras and start buying Z lenses. This is unlikely to happen in the short run unless Z6/7ll cameras are reduced in price by 20%, Z8/9 are delivered at $4000 and &5000 and with R6/5 technology. Additionally an A1 and R1 equivalent must be produced by mid 2022. A DSLR buyback program would additionally be helpful. All people love sales, so give them a reason to buy. Perhaps adopt the ink printer methodology and sell cameras barely above cost in order to sell higher margin lenses.
Clearly acknowledging all the benefits of the mirrorless cameras, I still enjoy more my old dslr‘s. So glad I didn’t sell them. It just feels more organic, mechanic and therefor more rewarding to me. It‘s maybe like driving old car‘s. New cars drive circles around them, but it is the old car that brings back the smile on your face, because you ruled over the machine.
Only fools rush out and buy the newest stuff. I've been shooting a 7D for the last two years after ten years of a Rebel Xs. I got the 7D cheaper used than the Rebel Xs new and I'm currently shopping for a used full frame, 5D mk II or III or a 6D. They can keep those damn mirror-less bastards, if I'm still alive in ten years I might pick one up for cheap.
Did I hear you say that there is a lag from button-push to shutter-release with mirrorless? I couldn’t tolerate this. Action, wildlife, and candids all require the timing of a sniper.
I do think you are missing the point. Film is 'dead' in the sense that it's obsolete and unpopular with no new cameras made, but people continue using analog cameras.
No, no, no, as from the thumbnail, only the Nikon I own is dead, I just tried, and it's not working. So sad. It has nothing to do with no battery in. The king and queen have spoken and beheaded the dslr.
D800 one of the best if not the best in history of Nikon... Im happy owner if i had a d3200 , d7100 , to d800 any Nikon full frame or not . mirroless Hype from 2009 to now hasn't work . dalr will outdate but not for photography. Hoax & lies . this is fake news
@@arianduran1725 Yeah? how about silent shooting? eye focus? superimposed histograms? focus peaking? over-exposure peaking? there really is NO good reason to have squeaky flaps on your cameras.
@@engjds everyone love noise loud squeaky sounds .cell phone Companies add shutter & dslr sounds on device like laptops,cellular,tablet.Sad on ur part not admitting Dslr's R cool as f*ck
@@arianduran1725 I never said they were not cool, I also find old hifis cool or the top loading mechanisms of old video recorders cool. But if you want a great camera now, get a mirrorless or if you want to look really cool, a film camera.
I agree. My 24 megapixel Nikon 7100 produces very good prints up to 16x20 and beyond. It can’t match the top-of-the line full frame cameras, but it’s compact, has excellent form factor and is quite adequate for the kind of photography I do.
Well, you cant ignore the fact that the newest most innovative dslr today is the 90D, which is a low-mid range camera, and that there are no real innovations in the dslr world, while mirrorless cameras are getting better and better every year. Its not that dslr is dying because its have a mirror, but because the big companies that kept for many years come with new and better dslrs are just moving to mirrorless
When did people last consistently say dlsrs were dead? Interchangeable Mirrorless hasnt been around for at all long. Around 6 years. its already killing dlsrs along with the smart phones. They will become increasingly niche and old fashioned. How long did it take dlsrs to kill film. More than a decade...
The D850 is still a lot more expensive than Z6 and if you are into shooting fast moving subjects at a high frame rate then the Z6 was a bad choice anyways. Checking the prices on Ebay I can see that a used D850 still costs more than what I paid for a new Z6. The D850 also has almost double the resolution and no anti alias filter. So I have to say it is quite the unfair comparison. If you would have compared the R5 with the D850, different story.
@@phelanwolf6747 I think he just shared his decision to sell off his mirrorless camera to buy a dslr. Nowhere did I read a comparison of the two cameras in his comment.😄
@@avishekghatak2176 So what was the point you are making? I think people just project a little to much sometimes. I still don't see where there is any comparison, but rather a statement that he went what a lot of people would consider backwards.
Loving the random audio sync issues that keep cropping up in this video during scene changes. Also loving the quick comments of those who are commenting on DLSR not being dead that clearly didn't watch the video lol
That's the first thing I noticed, too. Going into the comments and seeing mostly "DSLRs aren't dead!!" comments, even though they couldn't have watched the video yet … And the obvious audio-sync issues … And no one talking about them.
DSLR's are not dead. They have found new like in the used market because the rest of us who cant afford a new camera for a hobby can Shop old cameras and still use are lenses.
I make money from odd photography jobs using a D3 and D700! I know douches who have all the latest gear and think that will create the photos for them :)
With Cannon's CEO saying that no new Series 1 DSLRs would be created, you called it!! Personally with the advancements in the EVF, never saw a long term benefit for the reflex viewer and with no reflex viewer, what's the point of a mirror? Mirrorless is the future and I'd just sold my last DSLR to B&H Photo last fall.
Ah, the plot of the Alfred Hitchcock comedy classic, ‘The Trouble With Harry.’ Harry’s corpse is repeatedly buried and exhumed by various others in relation to their changing perceptions of their possible guilt in re Harry’s death.
nope, he would wrap one in carpet and put it in the trunk of his black bimmer and note the miles travelled in his log book on the way to the woods. tax write off!
I think what you all miss is that all those companies have a lot of different products in a very vast spectrum of applications. Selling cameras never was the one big thing that these companies like Sony, Canon or Panasonic could make off a living. Even Pentax went off to manufacture a lot of medical stuff like endoscopes under the Pentax medical brand and they are a part of Ricoh, which are hugely invested in selling printers for professional applications. None of these companies rely on selling digital cameras anymore.
Actually ther is truth to CCD sensors superiority over CMOS...I loved the cameras I used with CCD...1Ds, Phase One P45, Kodak DSLRc....really nice rendering tone to them for some reason or another.
I’m a teacher. You are absolutely correct! So many young students and adults don’t want to accept that skill of any kind takes time, patience, and practice.
Keeping my d850 as it’s probably the last great DSLR ever. It’ll be a collectors item in the future. I also have an S5 that I bought for a bargain price a few years bag on Craigslist.
In a few years, DSLR/T will be "vintage" and trendy again. All the prices will rise up on the bunch available second hand. Just like plain old video games cartridges. My next buy will be a DSLR.
@ActionPhotoPassion I do not like the mirrorless cameras I use today as Fuji X-T1 and Fuji X-Pro 1. Got them cheap from a friend. I'm use to DSLR but my Nikon D300 broke down last summer and I need two new ones a main camera DSLR as D850/D880 and a backup that can be a Mirrorless Z8 or a DSLR but I would prefer a hybrid...Not into video but I have a lot of old lenses.
The D3300 is a beginners camera, which are always CRAP at best, they are made of plastic, and basic, you would be better off using a fart to take photos than a beginners camera
No,they actually work in the field MOST of the time..professionals who NEED professional,consistent tools,use DSLRs...There is NO D850 mirrorless equivalent..NONE...THere is no Canon iDxiii mirrorless match..NONE,no Nikon D4/5..NONE....NO EasyBake OVen,no 399 firmware updates needed,etc,etc..That's like saying there would be more Audi TTs on the road,if they were as inexpensive as Camrys..NOT....
@@michaels5166 If you are a professional and still on DSLR, you aren't a real professional. You are an old man who is scamming old people out of money for portraits using old technology!!!
There's a bit to unpack here.. If 'death' is consistent with development, then I agree that DSLRs are dead.. and have been for a while now. I feel they are as good as they can be and that there's nowhere really for them to go. I don't know how it would be possible to improve on the DSLR except perhaps in the area of sensor technology. If at some point sensors get to be much higher res without sacrificing individual pixel quality, or if they manage to get efficient edge-to-edge focus points onto the sensor, that may become a reason to reinvigorate the DSLR, but anything short of that kind of leaves the DSLR's current capability at being as good as it gets. On the other hand, there's a lot to still love about the DSLR - and I do. Many photographers I know are perfectly happy with them and don't feel the need to switch. They, and I, don't feel that what mirrorless offers is compelling enough to ditch what we have and build an entirely new system from scratch. I still prefer a 'live' viewfinder over an EVF, and I can always switch over to live view when I need to. I'm a stills shooter so I don't care about video, and I have big hands and long fingers, so the so-called size advantage of mirrorless doesn't figure in my equation. On the contrary, I've put battery grips on all my DSLRs to make them more comfortable to hold. Plus, in all the years I've been shooting I've never thought "Gee, I love photography, but if only I could get rid of that damn mirror!!" These are of course all personal preferences, and as such are very subjective, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking this way. For me, my DSLR is very much alive and kicking, and appears that it will be for some time to come. Apart from all that, I enjoyed the conversation. I thought you both raised some interesting points around the industry's strategies present and future. Thank you for taking the time to put this out and I look forward to future discussions on the topic.
I agree with you concerning the handling of most of the available mirroless. Like yourself I have tall hands and so far the best handling I encountered was with the Canon EOS R line. I didn't try the Panasonic S1 line but I guess it would be even better. OTOH as you underlined, this could mean to rebuild a full system from scratch which implies loads of money to cash out... Interestingly I used my old DSLR 2 weeks ago at the beach, and I got stunned of how the OVF experience (pentaprism) was wowing me compared to my 2 millions dots EVF in my Sony camera...If an EVF needs to be 9 millions dots to get the experience of a pentaprism OVF, then they lied saying that crafting the OFV pentaprism is more expensive than an EVF (I don't talk about dimmed pentamirror here).
Hello folks... I am going to continue using my D3x and D300 - I love both. So far, although I was thinking about going to the Olympus system for a while, I have personally not seen a single mirror-less camera that can match the viewfinders of a good quality DSLR. Where I think both of you went wrong is with the cost. The mirror-less cameras which are comparable are hideously expensive. "Camera companies pushing the latest and greatest in our hands..." - case in point. The Olympus OM-D M1(II) would be my current compromise.
umm I strongly disagree with that statement about mirrorless cameras are hideously expensive when compare to DLSR equivalent. For example, the Sony A7 mark 3, honestly even though It's classified as an entry level full frame camera, I will argued that it far better option in term of quality and performance over my previous Canon 5D mark 3 setup, and that was considered to be the BEST workhorse camera ever created! yea the famous canon colors are still there, but even as someone like myself who is a working wedding and portraiture photographer I genuinely thought I was overpriced for what It offered, glad I got rid of my canon DLSR setup before the price dropped significantly. Also for the EVF I don't know if you actually used any Mirrorless cameras in the last 2-3 years but they're incredible! and they only continue to get better each generation. If you're content with the D3X and D300 that alright, but you should realized that each passing generation cameras will continue to evolve if you like it or not.
@@Faded.Visuals I think you have misunderstood what I meant. No one is claiming that mirrorless cameras are not "incredible", but there is a choice. I have actually used several nice ones that I had borrowed. Didn't really like any of them except the Olympus OM-D M1(II). Now if you are making the claim that neither the D3x or D300 isn't any good... hmmm I neither do weddings nor portraits (typically). I'm a hobbyist, who enjoys landscape photography (some travel photography too). The D3x is an exceptional tool for that. What I was getting at, is that not everyone will drop thousands and thousands on a body, then more magnificent glass to go along with it. It simply doesn't make sense for many people who are not professionals. For me, it is more about creativity than having the absolutely latest technology. I honestly believe, most others are in the same boat. What features exactly, for the type of photography I prefer, does a mirrorless camera have that would make it a superior choice over my D3x? I cannot really think of any compelling ones.
You guys are talking about total sales. What about profit margins? What is the profit margin on a $3K RF lens? Speaking from the perspective of an old film guy getting back into photography after nearly 30 years I am definitely going mirror less. I don't want to get into an old technology.
The sheer fact that you must sell off all your DSLR lenses to switch to Mirrorless platforms will make the transition slow, unless you are filthy rich.
@your name the only ones that make sense are the Fuji. even better if gfx. but I don't have such a large budget. for the rest, the last tested is the z6 ... try to focus in low light conditions with a mirrorless or a dslr, then you understand why
Nice to hear the opinion of someone who tried both DSLR and ML as I did not have the chance. I am very happy with my D700 and D750 since several years. So happy that this week, attracted from the "convenient" prices of these days, I ordered a D850 with the aim to keep it as long as possible. As a hobbyist which invested heavily in the system, the switch to ML is not an option, it would cost me a fortune. But I confess that all this hype for the new technology makes me wonder if I am missing so many advantages.
Chelsea is correct. It's mostly about price and smartphone camera sales. Most consumers do not have the discretionary spending for owning both a smartphone and mirrorless camera. Also, mirrorless cameras continue to inflate in price, which offsets any demand away from DSLRs. Canon and Sony will need to make tremendous drops in pricing in order to catalyze full mirrorless adoption.
I've got an old Cannon SLR with a super clunky mirror. I think they made the mirror extra loud so people standing next to you could hear how cool your camera was.
@@smaakjeks kind of a strange thing to boast about. If you prefer old stuff and some one gifted you an R5, why not take it and sell it to get more overpriced old stuff?
@@phelanwolf6747 I didn't mean to come across as boastful. Not sure what I wrote that gave that impression. I also didn't say I *prefer* the old technology. I said I enjoy the physical mechanics of it. I would definitely *not* trade in a gifted R5 for two SLR bodies.
Cassette tapes did have the MAGIC; vs. the 8 track.... among the first musical media you could take with you because of portability; cassettes were superior to 8 track in that you didn’t have to go from track to track to find your favorite song on an album, and cassettes allowed you to record your own music.
2 weeks ago I decided to give a run with my old flappy 6Mpx DSLR and I was amazed. The week-end was sunny and watching through the OVF served by its PENTAPRISM, it was such a wow experience compared to the 2 millions dot EVF of my Sony camera (zeiss * tagged btw)... And then I thought "Didn't they say that they consider pentaprism technology being too expensive to craft compared to EVF ?" Hell well finally if it is needed to have a 9 millions dots EVF to get the experience of a pentaprism (not dimmed pentamirror) OVF, finally the OVF craft isn't that expensive dude...
A camera is nothing without a lens, and lenses are expensive. Therefore, I want to see DIRECTLY THROUGH that lens, NOT a facsimile of it looks like through that lens. I don't wear glasses that are EFT's. My car's windshield is not an EFT. It requires no power to look through my DSLR lenses, and the viewfinder of a DSLR works just as well at night. Look- I get it- mirrorless is neat technology. The real payoff is that they are slightly smaller, and weigh slightly less. But a camera is nothing without a lens, and I DEMAND to look directly through that lens.
The people singing the praises of DSLR systems and then stating in the comments that they just bought a cheap used DSLR are clearly making prophets out of the Northups. How much money do the camera companies make from those used system sales? $0.00 and counting. If everyone was chiming in about how they just bought the latest and greatest DSLR, that would be a different picture. I actually tried to buy my Canon 5DS R new but I could not find one, so I bought a used one instead. It is the cell phones that are putting the pinch on the camera companies and that technology will never equal a professional camera level, but it is good enough for most people.
As a professional wedding photographer I’m totally ok with DSLR being considered dead. The technology is good enough for me and when you compare the costs of buying new Sony gear vs buying used d850s and other pro grade lenses it’s night and day. A lot of people are switching and selling lightly used d850s for 2100-2300. I bought 3 this week with 2 under 2k and 1 under 5k shutter count.
dumb move, dslrs are dead! (i m guessing that means they can't take pictures anymore lmao) but wait can that d850 do 8k video? pfff see mate you are fucked. i mean 8k is so important in your photography business. also does it have bird eye autofocus?!?!? again you are crippling yourself. you just don't know it.
@@darriusholt I’m loaded with Nikon lenses though. I was using d810s but I’m totally happy with d850s. They do everything I need them to do and I didn’t have to sell off all my top end glass to purchase G master equivalent.
@@Juventinos I don’t do any video only stills. And I could’ve stayed with my D810s and continue to shoot weddings without any issues, but to have a touchscreen and articulating screen and a better option for cropping in camera, those are pretty awesome. And the faster read and write due to the XQD card and the UHS-2 SD cards.
@@mazzith ya mate but you need 30 fps for that bride shot with the... candles and stuff. i mean fml... i m joking ffs :)) obvs even a d800 is overkill for most photography work lmao.
Mirrorless cameras will be roaring hot for quite a while. Then the popularity will get slightly sluggish. And in between it all ... the standard DSLR will always survive just fine. And somewhere along the way, the iPhone camera will become the standard camera for the average person, if that has not already become true.
DSLR's are dying but not dead yet. In five years I will be buying a top of the line used DSLR for about $500 compared to an equally good mirror-less that costs $2000.
The thing is, mirrorless cameras in three years will be doing things that DSLRs won't. 5 years ago mirrorless cameras struggled with AF, where mostly smaller sensors, had terrible battery life and limited lenses. Now we have Sony and Canons AF tracking and Eye AF systems, we have a huge increase in FF, far better battery and more advanced video features. Imagine what it's be like in another five, computational photography anyone? Sure, you might not care about these, but DSLRs are dead. You'll be able to buy them but lenses will slowly become more difficult to get, repairs will become more expensive and eventually impossible. In the long run it's a dead-end. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. For enthusiasts it's great but for professionals or pro-sumers it's a more difficult proposition
@@SuttonBen I have lenses from literally 50 years ago, and there are millions upon millions of modern DSLR lenses around. I can't see lens availability being an issue for DSLR users for many decades. Not to mention the parent companies will probably keep the option to repair them. Let's not forget the height of photography around 2010 was when DSLRs were at their peak, so there's so much of that stuff around it would be silly for manufacturers to not offer repairs anymore. Sure, DSLRs are "dead" if you take a very odd definition of dead but they'll continue to be of use to people and create great images for a long, long time yet. Even if they are dead, so what? What mirrorless camera is going to last as long as DSLRs anyway? It's normal that products run out their time and new ones take their place - in ten years time the A1 and r5 will probably be worth $100
@@detectivejonesw Oh I agree that it's viable but I can certainly see Nikon reducing DSLR repair services. If they have to manufacture parts purely for repairs to cameras that they want people to replace with mirrorless. Canon might keep some support but you can't forget that these companies want you to move. In a shrinking market DSLR manufacturing is an expensive pit of money. It made sense for Nikon to keep support for 2000's film SLRs because breakable parts like mirrors were still manufactured. If Canon and Nikon move to mirrorless like Sony, DSLR users will end up like A-mount users. Unsupported. Yes, DSLRs are widely used but people owning cameras doesn't make the companies money. The need people buying their new products. DSLR development is dead because it's the quickest shrinking segment. Yes, there's a lot of users but most aren't looking at upgrading to another SLR.
As a professional shooter, I rented the R5 and tried it out on a shoot. I had to revert back because my flash heads and trigger werent ready for the R5. Contacted my flash and trigger manufacturers and they said the updates are coming with no anticipated release date. I investigated Godox, Profoto, Intefit and others... none are ready for the R5... they are ready for the R. I could use the R5 but i would have to add ND filters to open up... and adding glass in front of the lens increases the lens vignette which is the wrong direction for me... and to avoid that vignette on a 82mm thread, i would need 95mm filters with step-up ring... or just use my existing gear. So it will probably be another year before I try this again. On the plus side, being a Canon shooter, by the time I outift an R5, it might be better to move to the R1... which will probably be what happens for me. I loved the R5 eyeAF! But I need a proper image more.
I actually JUST got back into photography after years of inactivity and I went straight to my favourite webshops and checked the second hand section. I was totally shocked at how many great second hand professional models there were available so I jumped on a 5D Mark IV that is good as new for a great price. Only after buying it I started reading and then I found out that DSLRs are dead in the sense that no new models will come out anymore. Obviously things can change very fast nowadays... Still: I am sure the Mark IV still is an awesome camera and I will make amazing pictures with it. Not planning on replacing all my gear for mirrorless anyway so this was a good step for me even though the DSLRs are no longer being developed.
For me photography is just a fun hobby. I'm now 62 years old and I'm just fine with sticking with my Nikon D300 and lens collection. My daughter is still using her D80 & N80 and develops her own film.
canon is using the M mount for the small/ compact /travel camera and the RF mount for the professional line, that way they keep the low budget new photographers and hobbiests happy because of the low entry cost for body and lenses and in the same time telling people that professional gear comes at a price, the price of the RF world ..
In their last quarterly report, Nikon wrote "Record quarterly sales for mirrorless cameras" and "Imaging Products Business turned profitable in real terms, excluding extraordinary costs such as restructuring relevant expenses", so it's not all bad news.
Chelsea, why do you think anyone would want to go with DSLR unless you own compatible lenses? Better to just use an adapter for old lenses and not cry that you can't buy a new DSLR. MIRRORLESS is better, period.
As a Nikon fan-boy, I look at their roadmap & I am excited. There are a ton of new Z lenses and cameras coming out, so its a bit rough to say they're not going to innovate. Their eye AF might not be as cutting edge as the new Canon for example, but it is still amazing and beyond anything we could have expected 5 years ago. I keep camera for many years. My D90 I had for at least 5 years, my D4 at least 5 years. I don't need the very cutting edge, but I do want high quality, which is what a company like Nikon has in buckets. My Z7 will last me for ages. If I could get a Z equivalent of the D500, I'd have two small light bodies which would cover everything I need for a long long time.
At least Nikon seems to be one of a photography gear manufacturer that is taking his customer pool serously. We, Sony users don't/can't have a solid roadmap of any kind about anything... Only rumors followed by surprises...
@@actionphotopassion5082 haha, well I guess if you like surprises, its a good thing, but I do like the roadmap and the picture which does with is is fantastic!
Yes, I was surprised by Tony's comment that he didn't expect anything exciting for the Nikon Z mount. They have a few small and cheap but still high quality and FX lenses and all Z lenses are quite good and also some have innovations such as an extra ring, function buttons, extra information on an OLED display. I have no reason to think they're done delivering solid bodies and glass and try new things.
@@iljitsch I think he was put out that Nikon didnt have many Z lenses to start with and has been a bit sulky ever since. I remember him being super-critical about the 70-200 f2.8 because if you were very close to a subject it didn't have full 200mm magnification or something I have never noticed. It is probably my fav lens of all time, but listening to Tony you'd think it was rubbish. He's a bit obsessive sometimes, if he can find one flaw, he'll go on and on about it, even though most people wouldn't ever notice. I still watch because he does try to look at all things. I wish he'd say 'look this may not be a bit deal.. but', instead of writing stuff off like he does.
I went digital with a Canon G1 compact in 2001. I stayed with compacts till 2006 when the affordable Nikon D50 became available and I could use all my old Nikon film lenses. But straightaway, I found the OVF to be a hindrance - no exposure preview, no black & white preview, all the focus points clustered in the centre of the frame. In 2011 I switched to Micro Four Thirds and never looked back.
About 20 years ago people told me books were dead. All the book stores were going to go out of business. The DSLRs are not dead. They have advantages over mirrorless. When I have the $ for a new camera it'll be a D850.
Long time Canon user and I looked at a Nikon D850 and the optical viewfinder blew me away like no EVF I've seen so far. If Nikon makes an 880, they may have a convert on their hands.
DSLR is an anachronistic construction that was an ingenious invention when we were using negatives. EVFs today are so good both in terms of resolution and refresh rate that there is no longer any good reason to use a mirror in a camera. On the contrary there are many reasons to abandon the mirror. This is just a matter of technological development and nothing else. Existing DSLRs will continue to take just as good pictures as they have done all along, but it's just not there that the technological development will happen. And therefore, over time, mirrorless cameras will not only get more and more functionalities than DSLRs, but they will also get a better image quality, and likely also will become cheaper. So why not just leave it there, and enjoy your DSLR as long as it last, and acknowledge that the future belongs to the mirrorless camera.
You have to appreciate that there are people who absolutely do not care about the “quality “ of an EVf. The presence of the EVF is a major problem for many of the people who have no interest in the mirrorless consumer movement.
@@Dustyphoto915 I certainly do, just as I recognize that there are people who prefer film cameras to DSLRs, or prefer to listen to analogue LPs to digital music etc., and fortunately you can still buy film and LPs, and that will most likely also be the case with DSLRs, but as Tony pointed out, you will probably not see much R&D with DSLRs as is the case with film cameras and LPs. I'm afraid that you miss the point if you just regard this development as a result of "the mirrorless consumer movement".
My D850 works perfectly, it’s as reliable as ever, the image quality is still amazing, and my clients don’t care about the gear, what they buy is the images.
Sold my Nikon gear... They became lazy and stopped trying to capture amateur and advanced photographers.. lost their market shares and trying to scramble to get it back.. Went to Fujifilm and upgraded to Sony Alpha
All the you tuber is spreading only one syndrome called "gear accusation syndrome". None of them talk about photography. Because I believe it is helping them to earn their bread and butter.
The one camera system that I wish never died was the tiny Pentax Q series. It was cute & had a vintage look. It lacked quality lenses and a viewfinder. I hope some company would continue a version of that form factor.
Funny that DSLR still is a topic in 2021. Went to mirrorless back in 2012 ... never ever looked back! Mirrorless was more precise, could adapt more lenses, was more compact & elegant ... I especially agree with your comment on Fuji, they make cameras that are fun, Sony will never ever do that. Maybe there's a very small special niche for DSLR in the future like there is for Leica rangefinders, more for philosophical than technical reasons, but that's it.
With my D750, I have done a variety of photography. Night sky(Milky way, galaxies), Birding, landscape, flowers, portrait with great degree of satisfaction. Mirrorless camera offer a bit of ease while capturing picture but final image quality is not necessarily great. Why would I update my D750 if I am not getting any better image quality from mirrorless camera?
I have the money to buy whatever gear I want to, but I just like the physical experience of the mirror flapping and the natural feel of a dslr viewfinder.
Henteri Absolutely with you. A DSLR is a beautiful piece of equipment, and if it suits you then stay with it. I have both DSLR and two mirrorless and a couple of compact cameras. I use which one suits the situation I am going into.
DSLR for me. Been a Canon shooter for many,many years. I will never change.Why? Because I don’t have to. Updating will not make me a better photographer. Simple as that. Thank you for your video.
@@SniperPhotography I mean you have updated to a better camera at some point. Is not going to make you a better photographer but more capable for sure. If your thing is a hobby I understand as a hobby I shoot film but for work I get the best tool possible. That's how is done in any field of work. If a tool can make my job easier why not.
There are SLT's too...as an old Sony amateur user, I have just got myself a Sony A99 with vertical grip for £620. This was an upgrade from my A850! In it's day, it was considered a good camera, so I am happy to be using such a great camera now with all the Minolta/Sony glass I have.
Hey there, That's interesting. I suppose that the A850 is built with a pentaprism (not pentamirror) so I 'm curious to know what you prefer between the 2 in good light ? I personally used my Minolta D7D 2 weeks ago at the beach and I was amazed by the OVF (pentaprism) compared to the EVF of my A99m2 under same lighting. So I decided to chase for an A900 as the next FF camera in the A-mount system (hoping/thinking/assuming that it is a pentaprism and not a pentamirror)
@@actionphotopassion5082 Yes, both the A850 and A900 have pentaprisms. The only difference is that the A900 has 100% view, whereas the A850 has 98%. I have not really had a chance to test them against each other in good light (with the same lenses), but the A99 handles higher ISO much better. Also the A99 has the bonus of ISO 50. It will be interesting to get a nice sunny day and do a test though. I always felt the A850 was very good in good light though.
Thank you both for the overview. Appreciate the insights. For me, conversion is an issue of value and diminishing returns. As with any new technology, there is a price to be paid by the consumer for bragging rights to be the first to procure it. IMO, that is where mirrorless technology is at the current moment. I am quite confident that history will repeat itself insofar that the product’s price point will drop as the technology advances. When that occurs, the market then stabilizes and the consumer will reap the benefit of purchasing an improved new technology at both a proper price point and with the knowledge that the new technology is here to stay. The cost of conversion to a new body and lenses is 20k. As such, I as a consumer, must ask if the quality of an entire new mirrorless system is going to produce results far beyond that of my existing dslr setup in order to justify the expenditure. At this juncture, the answer is no! I think I speak for a lot of users when I say that the the technology hasn’t been around long enough to instill consumer confidence nor have manufacturers created enough value for most of us to make the conversion,. When weighing the existing cost versus benefits of conversion, the scales are not tipped in favor of most consumers.
After I bought my 5D Mark IV, I immediately regretted buying it over the EOS R, so I bought the EOS R and kept both. Now a year later, I still grab my 5D Mark IV over the EOS R. I still prefer the DSLR over Mirrorless. I hope Canon continues to make DSLR's for when I want to upgrade.
@@fsmelo87 I just like the feel of the DSLR. I don't know how to explain it other than I trust it as I used an SLR previous. The Mirrorless is smaller, lighter and just not fond of the feel, maybe I could get used to it. I do use the EOS R, it really is a nice camera, I just prefer my 5D Mark IV.
I also migrated to the EOS R which I prefer for one important reason; I can review my pictures through the EVF under the bright sun which I couldn't with my old DSLR (impossible through the LCD screen).
DSLRs aren't being invested into bc ppl don't want them, they're being left behind because of simple economics: Every product is priced based on it's production volume and sales volume defines profit. In a shrinking market, you need to increase prices to maintain profitability, since production costs increase when lower volumes are made. Canon and Nikon used to sell high volumes of dslr bodies and lenses, and would compete against their own used lenses and bodies if they increase prices. So the easiest thing is to introduce a new option that can be priced appropriately to the new, lower volumes of production and sales - and that is why new mirrorless cameras and lenses are so much more expensive.
Nikon has no new and interesting glass? What about that 14-30 f4? Literally the most exciting lens for landscape photography in the past 10 years or so. Compact, lightweight, wide, sharp, takes filters and is relatively affordable. Thinking about switching to Nikon just for that single lens.
@@ivankiefer3886 Yeah, you are completely right. Affordable, compact, light but yet really sharp f4 lenses are just hot garbage. Only f0.95 lenses or less produce acceptable results. I love how a vast majority of our "great" camera reviewers on this platform transfer their idiotic obsession with big aperture glass to the general public. Well, except for Canons f11 lenses, of course. These are considered as groundbreaking innovations.
I first looked through an SLR camera in 1983, and have been hooked ever since. Range finders don't do it. Mirrorless cameras don't do it. That view through the lens though... what a world you go into! The photos are the record of the awe.
I'm a tech guy. I recently bought my 1st mirrorless camera. A Nikon Z5. Sometimes, you just got to go for what works for you and pray for the best. Technology is here this morning and gone by the time you buy it in the afternoon. That's the price we pay to have the latest and greatest. My thought was to buy into the Nikon z lens system. Later on down the road, I could update my body and still have my lenses. That is if they ever come out with something worthy of upgrade. Finger 🤞 But now I'm just hoping they make it at least a couple more years, so I'll have a collection of Z lenses. I am all for new technology. Companies know that to make more money, they need to evolve. Everything has a shelf life. Enjoy what you have. You can't take it with you when you leave this world. 📸 😃
I disagree Tony. I still think there is much refinement for Mirrorless to be on par with DX or 5d4. What I also predict is we should all hold onto our Dslrs as in 10 years time we will be paying a monthly subscription to use our cameras!!!
today you can get 10 year old stuff for cheap while lenses have not improved much ..... subscription do not work for hardware , they might only work for later added value or features.
Only as good as the next firmware update. Pay per click. That's where cars and cameras and anything else connected is heading! Even your kettle will need a $ each morning.
As a professional musician for over 40 years, I've dealt with "planned obsolescence" in electronic gear for decades. But, "obsolete" is kind of a relative term. As long as the gear still works for you, and does what you need it to do, it's not obsolete. As an example, my all-time favorite synthesizer, an Ensoniq TS12 (made in Pennsylvania, of all places) lasted more than 27 years in my rig. When it finally went to that big bandstand in the sky, it was like losing a family member. I feel the same way about my cameras. Sure, mirrorless are the wave of the future, and that's perfectly fine. But as another poster mentioned, one side benefit of the new stuff is the availability of excellent used DSLRs. I've used my original EOS 300D for just about 20 years, and have added a used 7D and 20D to my bag. My 60th birthday present to myself just this past week was a used 1DX Mark III. I'm really happy with these camera and some decent glass, and I'm confident that this gear, all in great shape, will outlast me! It's all more than sufficient for my needs, and that's kind of the point.
I still shoot with a D800e. I shoot a lot of architecture and interior, and the results are still amazing. I'm on a tripod most of the time, AF doesn't matter as much (I'm at f16 or more most of the time), I'm tempted to get a new mirrorless camera, but I sure as heck don't need one.
I miss the days when my 5Diii did everything I needed (portraits) and it did it realllllly well (snappy response, intuitive feel, rugged build, batteries lasted forever, vast lens selection, resolution surpassed my needs, etc). I wanted for nothing. Then I got into making little TH-cam videos so I wanted focus tracking and a flippy screen, so I used two cameras for a year (SL2/5Diii) before trying to replace both with an EOS RP (lacked long battery life, rugged feel, snappy response, and intuitive feel) then an EOS R (slightly faster and slightly more rugged, but still not quick or intuitive- too many menu dives required). I hung on to my EF glass and considered going back to a 5D for stills then just using the R for video. When I borrowed an R5 I finally found that intuitive feeling I loved about my 5D, so I bought an R6 and have been VERY happy (traded out my EF glass for RF). This whole life story to say- I switched to mirrorless not because of what makes mirrorless different from DSLR, that was a huge non-factor, but because it was the only way I was going to get ONE camera that could do everything I want/need. Okay maybe the 6Dii could have worked well for me, and that was the plan if the R5/R6 were duds.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade thanks! Near the end there I was using a laptop to monitor recordings with the 5D but I still had to stand on a mark and try not to lean in or out much, or else I’d have to shoot at like F11 to make sure I didn’t move out of focus.
The L mount will survive. Sigma is far to stubborn and really wants to make their own cameras and Panasonic will carve out quite a niche with their S series for pro video.
I'm one of those people regarding looking for a D-SLR. Since people are "running" to mirror-less, of course prices drop on the D-SLR. I got a used Nikon D810 for a little over $800.00 in fantastic condition. Even got 3 new lenses as well. I truly appreciate mirror-less. But, until I "have to" change, not jumping. Or on minimum, I can wait for prices to drop. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy where I'm at with my gear. Still, I'm not against change. I started with film and just when I got into photography, D-SLR came in and took over. I'll switch when the time is right.
I have two r5’s and I still prefer my 1dxii for photo taking. Optical for me is still nicer to use. I do like the benefits of evf but they still aren’t good enough to match a optical in terms of clarity and realism.
Good point, but what would you call an interchangeable lens camera that has no mirror, considering that for many years 35mm equivalent cameras have had mirrors? Any suggestions on a name? Just curious.
@@timothylatour4977 In the Netherlands the term "mirrorless" doesn't exist. It's called a "system camera" (as in, a modular camera), as opposed to "mirror reflex" (which is basically a system camera, but with a mirror). It's the same name we gave to pre-SLR camera's before the digital era (e.g. the Epson R-D1 "rangefinder" is a system camera in Dutch).
@@tfm2934 It sounds like a good name to me. You are right -- the rangefinders preceded the SLR's with their mirrors. How do you distinguish between a "system camera" and a pocket camera, particularly a high-end pocket camera such as the G7X mk iii or the G5X mk ii? Both are mirrorless, of course, but the pocket cameras have permanent lenses so they don't sound like "system" cameras to me. What are they called in the Netherlands?
Hi Tony and Chelsea. Last winter I went ice skating with my Canon 5d mk III. I fell with my camera slung around my neck. I body slammed on the ice with the camera between me and the ice. When I got up there was a big star in the ice but the cara just absolutely shrugged it off. That's why I have a 5D. It is absolutely built like a tank and I am not confident enough I can say the same for the latest mirrorless.
Not only that but focus (at poor light conditions), enables focus peaking, accurate depth of field preview, allows you to properly review photos and adjust settings in situations where the LCD cannot be read... Beyond all of that, the integration with smartphone apps replacing intervalometer remotes or simple cable releases... I could spend all day here talking about the advantages, only at the cost of battery autonomy.
If anyone has a "dead" d850/d810 , ill be happy to take it 😉
I love it... Best comment
I'll let you know when I am selling my D810 , TO PURCHASE A D850. My budget doesn't allow for a total system switch.
I do and I'm not selling!
I’m literally SAVING for a d850 right now! Can’t wait.
@@kaylasopinionpost It usually goes on sale a couple times per year. Last time , they sold out in about 4 days & was available again a week or 2 later. I think Nikon limits the numbers of sale units or, under estimated the popularity of the D850.
The used market for DSLRs is a paradise for buyers who's after a great deal. Secondhand semiprofessional full frame DSLRs are becoming available to people who couldn't dream about such gear a few years back.
semiprofessional?? why not the professional ones! lmao.
@@Juventinos right, you can get a 5D Mark II for around 700-800 bucks.
@@Juventinos I suppose it depends on where you want to draw the line. In any event, it doesn't make my statement any less true ;)
@@NGameReviews for that price I would get a apsc camera from 2years ago way more capable.
@@ivankiefer3886 you get more features sure. But you also don't often get a full-frame sensor, a pentaprism viewfinder, better build quality, no crop, et cetera.
Every time there is a Picture in Picture, the audio is out of sync.
Typical from photographers, they only care about video and they never understood that a good audio can make the difference between a good video and a bad one.
That's because they're taking different pathways in your brain and arrive at different times.
-Any sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality
@@javiejdesync happens on export sometimes, and people miss it. Relax.
@@A3Kr0n Not in this case, not with such a big delay. In this particular case they took different paths trough separate audio and video hardware, not only in the brain. Probably they recorded the video with a photo camera and the audio from a separate mic (which of course is the best way to do it). But then somebody did a bad job at syncing both in the editing software, and then another mistake uploading to TH-cam without proper quality control.
So all the brains were working nominally here, they were just focused in the wrong priorities. A pity because in a 10min video of somebody talking all the time the audio sync is more important than the lighting, dressing and room decoration.
Fortunately the content is very worth it, original, precise and well documented , not an imitation as most others do on this platform. So thumbs up clicked and thank you very much.
Yeah, makes it harder to watch. My guess is that whoever did the editing accidentally nudged something on the timeline while inserting graphics.
I just bought a Canon 90D. I've got nothing against mirrorless, well except for the price. Since I'm invested in EF & EF-S lenses, I figured it would be safe to go with what I figure is Canon's ultimate version of an APS-C DSLR. It should serve me well for years to come.
I wouldn't expect for lenses to disappear anytime soon. The dSLRs use lenses that are shared with 35mm film cameras. Most of the digital bits of a dSLR are shared with mirrorless, making a maintenance of the status quo with some improvements to the sensor technology relatively cheap.
Mirrorless cameras have been around since almost the beginning of consumer grade digital cameras, I remember when I was looking for my first dSLR, that Sony already had their F707 which was essentially a mirrorless dZLR camera. It was effectively a Zoom Lens Reflex camera with a digital monitor replacing the mirror array that one would normally use. It was an intriguing camera because it could do things like see in near complete darkness and, IIRC, burn images to optical media.
Personally, I had a similar camera a decade back and it wasn't a bad camera, but I just prefer the look and feel of a proper dSLR. I'm a rather large man so carrying around 20# worth of kit isn't an issue for me, but I totally get why some people would prefer to have much less stuff and mirrorless is perfectly good for most things.
Eventually, I'll probably pick up a medium and/or large format camera with a digital back because those can do some pretty cool stuff. Landscape tends to just look better with a large format camera due to the wide angles that are possible with the lenses.
Excellent audio synch is dead! Not just the Dentists of the world but also the Northrups. Only way I can see Nikon surviving is if 50% of their current DSLR owners switch to Z cameras and start buying Z lenses. This is unlikely to happen in the short run unless Z6/7ll cameras are reduced in price by 20%, Z8/9 are delivered at $4000 and &5000 and with R6/5 technology. Additionally an A1 and R1 equivalent must be produced by mid 2022. A DSLR buyback program would additionally be helpful. All people love sales, so give them a reason to buy. Perhaps adopt the ink printer methodology and sell cameras barely above cost in order to sell higher margin lenses.
Another classic from the boomer powerpoint camera channel
Came here for the audio comment!
I believe the Z9 is going to be the a1/r1 equivalent
It's like watching 70's Shaw Bros Kung Fu Film.
Actually looking closely it don't look that bad.
Clearly acknowledging all the benefits of the mirrorless cameras, I still enjoy more my old dslr‘s. So glad I didn’t sell them. It just feels more organic, mechanic and therefor more rewarding to me. It‘s maybe like driving old car‘s. New cars drive circles around them, but it is the old car that brings back the smile on your face, because you ruled over the machine.
Only fools rush out and buy the newest stuff. I've been shooting a 7D for the last two years after ten years of a Rebel Xs. I got the 7D cheaper used than the Rebel Xs new and I'm currently shopping for a used full frame, 5D mk II or III or a 6D. They can keep those damn mirror-less bastards, if I'm still alive in ten years I might pick one up for cheap.
I love your comment, I agree
Stop using apostrophes
@@I_dont_give_a_care You are right.
Did I hear you say that there is a lag from button-push to shutter-release with mirrorless? I couldn’t tolerate this. Action, wildlife, and candids all require the timing of a sniper.
Damn, when I heard that, I rushed to check if my Canon 7D Mark 2 was still working. Funnily, it is!
Hahahaha!
I do think you are missing the point. Film is 'dead' in the sense that it's obsolete and unpopular with no new cameras made, but people continue using analog cameras.
@@jillianangell2570 I think you're missing the point that I was indulging in some harmless humour. Thank you. Your observation is appreciated.
Hahaha, that was a good one!
No, no, no, as from the thumbnail, only the Nikon I own is dead, I just tried, and it's not working. So sad. It has nothing to do with no battery in. The king and queen have spoken and beheaded the dslr.
The photography world has now successfully created a climate of confusion. I am holding on to my Nikon d800
I just bought one last fall. Had 6463 shutter count. Almost brand new :)
D800 one of the best if not the best in history of Nikon... Im happy owner if i had a d3200 , d7100 , to d800 any Nikon full frame or not . mirroless Hype from 2009 to now hasn't work . dalr will outdate but not for photography. Hoax & lies . this is fake news
@@arianduran1725 Yeah? how about silent shooting? eye focus? superimposed histograms? focus peaking? over-exposure peaking? there really is NO good reason to have squeaky flaps on your cameras.
@@engjds everyone love noise loud squeaky sounds .cell phone
Companies add shutter & dslr sounds on device like laptops,cellular,tablet.Sad on ur part not admitting Dslr's R cool as f*ck
@@arianduran1725 I never said they were not cool, I also find old hifis cool or the top loading mechanisms of old video recorders cool. But if you want a great camera now, get a mirrorless or if you want to look really cool, a film camera.
My nikon d3200 and 7200 still working and I still luv it
I agree. My 24 megapixel Nikon 7100 produces very good prints up to 16x20 and beyond. It can’t match the top-of-the line full frame cameras, but it’s compact, has excellent form factor and is quite adequate for the kind of photography I do.
I disagree. I sold my D7200 two years ago and got a full frame 42 MP mirrorless that was half the size and two thirds the weight.
If I had a dollar for every time the experts say that DSLRs are dead I would be a multi millionaire
Not this time unfortunately due to the lack of experts. (jk)
Well, you cant ignore the fact that the newest most innovative dslr today is the 90D, which is a low-mid range camera, and that there are no real innovations in the dslr world, while mirrorless cameras are getting better and better every year. Its not that dslr is dying because its have a mirror, but because the big companies that kept for many years come with new and better dslrs are just moving to mirrorless
@@udiakuka7889 1dx mk3 ?
i have a dslr and I AM NOT SWITCHING just bc the other ones are SO EXPENSIVE.
When did people last consistently say dlsrs were dead? Interchangeable Mirrorless hasnt been around for at all long. Around 6 years. its already killing dlsrs along with the smart phones. They will become increasingly niche and old fashioned. How long did it take dlsrs to kill film. More than a decade...
They've been saying this for years, but everyone I know that gets paid to shoot still uses a DSLR.
Maybe you only know old guys with beards)
Because they are cutting costs
Just sold My Z6 for D850 thou! And no regret whatsoever.
The D850 is still a lot more expensive than Z6 and if you are into shooting fast moving subjects at a high frame rate then the Z6 was a bad choice anyways.
Checking the prices on Ebay I can see that a used D850 still costs more than what I paid for a new Z6. The D850 also has almost double the resolution and no anti alias filter.
So I have to say it is quite the unfair comparison. If you would have compared the R5 with the D850, different story.
@@phelanwolf6747 I think he just shared his decision to sell off his mirrorless camera to buy a dslr. Nowhere did I read a comparison of the two cameras in his comment.😄
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yeah true but there is the implication of upgrading from a mirrorless to a superior DSLR.
@@avishekghatak2176 So what was the point you are making? I think people just project a little to much sometimes. I still don't see where there is any comparison, but rather a statement that he went what a lot of people would consider backwards.
well you should lmao
Loving the random audio sync issues that keep cropping up in this video during scene changes. Also loving the quick comments of those who are commenting on DLSR not being dead that clearly didn't watch the video lol
That's the first thing I noticed, too.
Going into the comments and seeing mostly "DSLRs aren't dead!!" comments, even though they couldn't have watched the video yet …
And the obvious audio-sync issues … And no one talking about them.
@@niduroki yeah pretty lame of them jumping the gun.
As soon as a graphic is projected onscreen, the audio sync is lost.
Apparently you didn't finish the video. That was the point, trends...
Probably edited on an M1 Mac Mini, then. :-)
Audio is out of sync but at least Tony is in focus. Nailed it!
Sony autofocus
You nailed it with this comment! 😃👍
Old Japanese movie.😁
I came looking to see if anyone else noticed and lo and behold! Not that it undermines the content though, just curious.
DSLR's are not dead. They have found new like in the used market because the rest of us who cant afford a new camera for a hobby can Shop old cameras and still use are lenses.
Yeah i can get a 5d mk 2
I make money from odd photography jobs using a D3 and D700! I know douches who have all the latest gear and think that will create the photos for them :)
Did you even watch the video? They were referring to ZERO development in the DSLR market.....they are dead mate.
@@supercuber9805 Better yet a nikon d610-more resolution, more dynamic range, dual SD cards.
I think they're refering to DSLR development. That being said where my 40D people at!?
With Cannon's CEO saying that no new Series 1 DSLRs would be created, you called it!! Personally with the advancements in the EVF, never saw a long term benefit for the reflex viewer and with no reflex viewer, what's the point of a mirror? Mirrorless is the future and I'd just sold my last DSLR to B&H Photo last fall.
From the thumbnail I thought Tony would dig a hole in his yard and bury the D850 underground.
Ah, the plot of the Alfred Hitchcock comedy classic, ‘The Trouble With Harry.’ Harry’s corpse is repeatedly buried and exhumed by various others in relation to their changing perceptions of their possible guilt in re Harry’s death.
nope, he would wrap one in carpet and put it in the trunk of his black bimmer and note the miles travelled in his log book on the way to the woods. tax write off!
I think what you all miss is that all those companies have a lot of different products in a very vast spectrum of applications. Selling cameras never was the one big thing that these companies like Sony, Canon or Panasonic could make off a living. Even Pentax went off to manufacture a lot of medical stuff like endoscopes under the Pentax medical brand and they are a part of Ricoh, which are hugely invested in selling printers for professional applications. None of these companies rely on selling digital cameras anymore.
My 12 year old Sony A330 still works great, LONG LIVE CCD SENSORS!
My 17 year old d70 too
Actually ther is truth to CCD sensors superiority over CMOS...I loved the cameras I used with CCD...1Ds, Phase One P45, Kodak DSLRc....really nice rendering tone to them for some reason or another.
I own 7 CCD sensor dslr cameras
Lovely speckled noise, not mushy noise!
@@tomassantos4299 i use d70 because it can flash sync up to 1/8000 without hss
Mirrorless will become "smartphones" soon. Because everyone wants to be a "professional" with minimum learning effort.
I’m a teacher. You are absolutely correct! So many young students and adults don’t want to accept that skill of any kind takes time, patience, and practice.
Great subject, but is it my computer or there is a serious out of sync audio issue on some segments?
Yess, i saw that too.
Me: Still using my Canon 20D since nearly 17 years now.
Dude, drop $500 on a used 5DM3. You'll be glad you did.
@@LarsLarsen77 The problem is that I have only Canon EF-S lenses, so I would have to buy new ones too. I an shooting more film anyways :)
Keeping my d850 as it’s probably the last great DSLR ever. It’ll be a collectors item in the future. I also have an S5 that I bought for a bargain price a few years bag on Craigslist.
Yes, keeping my D500 & D850. Great cameras.
I still have my Canon AE-1 from the 1970's. I display it on a shelf in my office, and I'll never give it up.
I'm saving for one
In a few years, DSLR/T will be "vintage" and trendy again. All the prices will rise up on the bunch available second hand. Just like plain old video games cartridges. My next buy will be a DSLR.
@ActionPhotoPassion I do not like the mirrorless cameras I use today as Fuji X-T1 and Fuji X-Pro 1. Got them cheap from a friend. I'm use to DSLR but my Nikon D300 broke down last summer and I need two new ones a main camera DSLR as D850/D880 and a backup that can be a Mirrorless Z8 or a DSLR but I would prefer a hybrid...Not into video but I have a lot of old lenses.
I still love my simple D3300...we've been through battles together and it has become a part of me.
I miss mine gave it to my sister lol
Mine is a D5600 but I'm saving up to get a mirrorless
The D3300 is a beginners camera, which are always CRAP at best, they are made of plastic, and basic, you would be better off using a fart to take photos than a beginners camera
The only reason DSLRs are still selling is because they aren't making mirrorless rebels for $500 yet.
They sorta are. It's the M50.
@@robjphotos and the Sony a6000
The Nex 5 for $100 🤑
No,they actually work in the field MOST of the time..professionals who NEED professional,consistent tools,use DSLRs...There is NO D850 mirrorless equivalent..NONE...THere is no Canon iDxiii mirrorless match..NONE,no Nikon D4/5..NONE....NO EasyBake OVen,no 399 firmware updates needed,etc,etc..That's like saying there would be more Audi TTs on the road,if they were as inexpensive as Camrys..NOT....
@@michaels5166 If you are a professional and still on DSLR, you aren't a real professional. You are an old man who is scamming old people out of money for portraits using old technology!!!
Can’t wait to get cheap D850s and Nikkor lenses 🙂
Not only you :)
There's a bit to unpack here..
If 'death' is consistent with development, then I agree that DSLRs are dead.. and have been for a while now. I feel they are as good as they can be and that there's nowhere really for them to go. I don't know how it would be possible to improve on the DSLR except perhaps in the area of sensor technology. If at some point sensors get to be much higher res without sacrificing individual pixel quality, or if they manage to get efficient edge-to-edge focus points onto the sensor, that may become a reason to reinvigorate the DSLR, but anything short of that kind of leaves the DSLR's current capability at being as good as it gets.
On the other hand, there's a lot to still love about the DSLR - and I do. Many photographers I know are perfectly happy with them and don't feel the need to switch. They, and I, don't feel that what mirrorless offers is compelling enough to ditch what we have and build an entirely new system from scratch. I still prefer a 'live' viewfinder over an EVF, and I can always switch over to live view when I need to. I'm a stills shooter so I don't care about video, and I have big hands and long fingers, so the so-called size advantage of mirrorless doesn't figure in my equation. On the contrary, I've put battery grips on all my DSLRs to make them more comfortable to hold. Plus, in all the years I've been shooting I've never thought "Gee, I love photography, but if only I could get rid of that damn mirror!!"
These are of course all personal preferences, and as such are very subjective, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking this way. For me, my DSLR is very much alive and kicking, and appears that it will be for some time to come.
Apart from all that, I enjoyed the conversation. I thought you both raised some interesting points around the industry's strategies present and future. Thank you for taking the time to put this out and I look forward to future discussions on the topic.
I agree with you concerning the handling of most of the available mirroless. Like yourself I have tall hands and so far the best handling I encountered was with the Canon EOS R line. I didn't try the Panasonic S1 line but I guess it would be even better.
OTOH as you underlined, this could mean to rebuild a full system from scratch which implies loads of money to cash out...
Interestingly I used my old DSLR 2 weeks ago at the beach, and I got stunned of how the OVF experience (pentaprism) was wowing me compared to my 2 millions dots EVF in my Sony camera...If an EVF needs to be 9 millions dots to get the experience of a pentaprism OVF, then they lied saying that crafting the OFV pentaprism is more expensive than an EVF (I don't talk about dimmed pentamirror here).
I hope so, because that means we will eventually pick up great cameras for next to nothing. Got my 5D classic last year for 150 Euros
I look for old DSLRs because they get the job done pretty much and with people moving to mirrorless, I can get DSLRs used at a steal
Yup, just got the Canon 5D Mark iii with 60k actuations and a 70-200 for $1600.00. Does an excellent job.
Yes im very tempted to pick up a D810 so cheap now!
Hello folks... I am going to continue using my D3x and D300 - I love both. So far, although I was thinking about going to the Olympus system for a while, I have personally not seen a single mirror-less camera that can match the viewfinders of a good quality DSLR. Where I think both of you went wrong is with the cost. The mirror-less cameras which are comparable are hideously expensive. "Camera companies pushing the latest and greatest in our hands..." - case in point. The Olympus OM-D M1(II) would be my current compromise.
umm I strongly disagree with that statement about mirrorless cameras are hideously expensive when compare to DLSR equivalent. For example, the Sony A7 mark 3, honestly even though It's classified as an entry level full frame camera, I will argued that it far better option in term of quality and performance over my previous Canon 5D mark 3 setup, and that was considered to be the BEST workhorse camera ever created! yea the famous canon colors are still there, but even as someone like myself who is a working wedding and portraiture photographer I genuinely thought I was overpriced for what It offered, glad I got rid of my canon DLSR setup before the price dropped significantly. Also for the EVF I don't know if you actually used any Mirrorless cameras in the last 2-3 years but they're incredible! and they only continue to get better each generation.
If you're content with the D3X and D300 that alright, but you should realized that each passing generation cameras will continue to evolve if you like it or not.
@@Faded.Visuals I think you have misunderstood what I meant. No one is claiming that mirrorless cameras are not "incredible", but there is a choice. I have actually used several nice ones that I had borrowed. Didn't really like any of them except the Olympus OM-D M1(II). Now if you are making the claim that neither the D3x or D300 isn't any good... hmmm I neither do weddings nor portraits (typically). I'm a hobbyist, who enjoys landscape photography (some travel photography too). The D3x is an exceptional tool for that. What I was getting at, is that not everyone will drop thousands and thousands on a body, then more magnificent glass to go along with it. It simply doesn't make sense for many people who are not professionals. For me, it is more about creativity than having the absolutely latest technology. I honestly believe, most others are in the same boat. What features exactly, for the type of photography I prefer, does a mirrorless camera have that would make it a superior choice over my D3x? I cannot really think of any compelling ones.
Last month I got the best camera deal of my lifetime, $1,500 for a Canon 5DSR. Great gift for my 70th birthday.
Tom from NH
Congrats, Tom, that is a great deal! Enjoy!
5dsr is so bad.
@@curt8806 lol yeah you wish.
You guys are talking about total sales. What about profit margins? What is the profit margin on a $3K RF lens? Speaking from the perspective of an old film guy getting back into photography after nearly 30 years I am definitely going mirror less. I don't want to get into an old technology.
My Nikon DSLRs are alive and singing 📷📷📷👍🏻💖💘💝
The sheer fact that you must sell off all your DSLR lenses to switch to Mirrorless platforms will make the transition slow, unless you are filthy rich.
for canon, can't you just use EF to R mount? (not a Canon user).
I sold all my mirrorless cameras as I bought them. I will never take them again. I hold my d700 and d850 tight. good luck
@your name the only ones that make sense are the Fuji. even better if gfx. but I don't have such a large budget. for the rest, the last tested is the z6 ... try to focus in low light conditions with a mirrorless or a dslr, then you understand why
Nice to hear the opinion of someone who tried both DSLR and ML as I did not have the chance. I am very happy with my D700 and D750 since several years. So happy that this week, attracted from the "convenient" prices of these days, I ordered a D850 with the aim to keep it as long as possible. As a hobbyist which invested heavily in the system, the switch to ML is not an option, it would cost me a fortune. But I confess that all this hype for the new technology makes me wonder if I am missing so many advantages.
@@Stesalti yep, I love my fujifilm xt3... but my old age d610 still focuses much faster and more accurately for sports. Way better.
@@Stesalti That's fascinating...I wonder why, you'd think they'd only get better...
You haven't tested the Sony then. Day and night difference between Fuji and song autofocus. IQ is a different story though
If dslrs are dead, it's because the manufacturers killed them off. A great many photographers still use and enjoy dslrs.
Chelsea is correct. It's mostly about price and smartphone camera sales. Most consumers do not have the discretionary spending for owning both a smartphone and mirrorless camera. Also, mirrorless cameras continue to inflate in price, which offsets any demand away from DSLRs. Canon and Sony will need to make tremendous drops in pricing in order to catalyze full mirrorless adoption.
I've got an old Cannon SLR with a super clunky mirror. I think they made the mirror extra loud so people standing next to you could hear how cool your camera was.
I enjoy the mechanics of it. It's a reassuring kachunk :D
But yeah, if someone wants to gift me an R5, then I'm not going to say no.
@@smaakjeks kind of a strange thing to boast about. If you prefer old stuff and some one gifted you an R5, why not take it and sell it to get more overpriced old stuff?
@@phelanwolf6747 I didn't mean to come across as boastful. Not sure what I wrote that gave that impression. I also didn't say I *prefer* the old technology. I said I enjoy the physical mechanics of it.
I would definitely *not* trade in a gifted R5 for two SLR bodies.
My photography is doing just fine with my D750 and my lenses. No way will I pay so much for a mirror-less camera
Cassette tapes did have the MAGIC; vs. the 8 track.... among the first musical media you could take with you because of portability; cassettes were superior to 8 track in that you didn’t have to go from track to track to find your favorite song on an album, and cassettes allowed you to record your own music.
2 weeks ago I decided to give a run with my old flappy 6Mpx DSLR and I was amazed.
The week-end was sunny and watching through the OVF served by its PENTAPRISM, it was such a wow experience compared to the 2 millions dot EVF of my Sony camera (zeiss * tagged btw)...
And then I thought "Didn't they say that they consider pentaprism technology being too expensive to craft compared to EVF ?" Hell well finally if it is needed to have a 9 millions dots EVF to get the experience of a pentaprism (not dimmed pentamirror) OVF, finally the OVF craft isn't that expensive dude...
Amen!
Today Canon confirm that DSLR are dead, you could make a video about the news
Just bought a 12k shutter count D750 for $800. I'm stoked as hell
RUN IT!!!!
A camera is nothing without a lens, and lenses are expensive. Therefore, I want to see DIRECTLY THROUGH that lens, NOT a facsimile of it looks like through that lens. I don't wear glasses that are EFT's. My car's windshield is not an EFT. It requires no power to look through my DSLR lenses, and the viewfinder of a DSLR works just as well at night. Look- I get it- mirrorless is neat technology. The real payoff is that they are slightly smaller, and weigh slightly less. But a camera is nothing without a lens, and I DEMAND to look directly through that lens.
As I am now retired, I cannot afford to either ditch my existing camera nor reinvest my stock lenses (x4)
I'm in the same boat and if you're getting great images already, why pay more?
The people singing the praises of DSLR systems and then stating in the comments that they just bought a cheap used DSLR are clearly making prophets out of the Northups. How much money do the camera companies make from those used system sales? $0.00 and counting. If everyone was chiming in about how they just bought the latest and greatest DSLR, that would be a different picture. I actually tried to buy my Canon 5DS R new but I could not find one, so I bought a used one instead. It is the cell phones that are putting the pinch on the camera companies and that technology will never equal a professional camera level, but it is good enough for most people.
As a professional wedding photographer I’m totally ok with DSLR being considered dead. The technology is good enough for me and when you compare the costs of buying new Sony gear vs buying used d850s and other pro grade lenses it’s night and day. A lot of people are switching and selling lightly used d850s for 2100-2300. I bought 3 this week with 2 under 2k and 1 under 5k shutter count.
About the same price as a used a7r3.
dumb move, dslrs are dead! (i m guessing that means they can't take pictures anymore lmao)
but wait can that d850 do 8k video? pfff see mate you are fucked. i mean 8k is so important in your photography business. also does it have bird eye autofocus?!?!? again you are crippling yourself. you just don't know it.
@@darriusholt I’m loaded with Nikon lenses though. I was using d810s but I’m totally happy with d850s. They do everything I need them to do and I didn’t have to sell off all my top end glass to purchase G master equivalent.
@@Juventinos I don’t do any video only stills. And I could’ve stayed with my D810s and continue to shoot weddings without any issues, but to have a touchscreen and articulating screen and a better option for cropping in camera, those are pretty awesome. And the faster read and write due to the XQD card and the UHS-2 SD cards.
@@mazzith ya mate but you need 30 fps for that bride shot with the... candles and stuff. i mean fml...
i m joking ffs :)) obvs even a d800 is overkill for most photography work lmao.
Mirrorless cameras will be roaring hot for quite a while. Then the popularity will get slightly sluggish. And in between it all ... the standard DSLR will always survive just fine.
And somewhere along the way, the iPhone camera will become the standard camera for the average person, if that has not already become true.
DSLR's are dying but not dead yet. In five years I will be buying a top of the line used DSLR for about $500 compared to an equally good mirror-less that costs $2000.
The thing is, mirrorless cameras in three years will be doing things that DSLRs won't. 5 years ago mirrorless cameras struggled with AF, where mostly smaller sensors, had terrible battery life and limited lenses. Now we have Sony and Canons AF tracking and Eye AF systems, we have a huge increase in FF, far better battery and more advanced video features. Imagine what it's be like in another five, computational photography anyone? Sure, you might not care about these, but DSLRs are dead. You'll be able to buy them but lenses will slowly become more difficult to get, repairs will become more expensive and eventually impossible. In the long run it's a dead-end. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. For enthusiasts it's great but for professionals or pro-sumers it's a more difficult proposition
@@SuttonBen I have lenses from literally 50 years ago, and there are millions upon millions of modern DSLR lenses around. I can't see lens availability being an issue for DSLR users for many decades. Not to mention the parent companies will probably keep the option to repair them. Let's not forget the height of photography around 2010 was when DSLRs were at their peak, so there's so much of that stuff around it would be silly for manufacturers to not offer repairs anymore. Sure, DSLRs are "dead" if you take a very odd definition of dead but they'll continue to be of use to people and create great images for a long, long time yet.
Even if they are dead, so what? What mirrorless camera is going to last as long as DSLRs anyway? It's normal that products run out their time and new ones take their place - in ten years time the A1 and r5 will probably be worth $100
@@detectivejonesw Oh I agree that it's viable but I can certainly see Nikon reducing DSLR repair services. If they have to manufacture parts purely for repairs to cameras that they want people to replace with mirrorless. Canon might keep some support but you can't forget that these companies want you to move. In a shrinking market DSLR manufacturing is an expensive pit of money. It made sense for Nikon to keep support for 2000's film SLRs because breakable parts like mirrors were still manufactured. If Canon and Nikon move to mirrorless like Sony, DSLR users will end up like A-mount users. Unsupported. Yes, DSLRs are widely used but people owning cameras doesn't make the companies money. The need people buying their new products. DSLR development is dead because it's the quickest shrinking segment. Yes, there's a lot of users but most aren't looking at upgrading to another SLR.
@@detectivejonesw You think 3rd parties will continue to make ef lenses? Should i return my 5dm4 and buy a mirrorless?
As a professional shooter, I rented the R5 and tried it out on a shoot. I had to revert back because my flash heads and trigger werent ready for the R5. Contacted my flash and trigger manufacturers and they said the updates are coming with no anticipated release date. I investigated Godox, Profoto, Intefit and others... none are ready for the R5... they are ready for the R. I could use the R5 but i would have to add ND filters to open up... and adding glass in front of the lens increases the lens vignette which is the wrong direction for me... and to avoid that vignette on a 82mm thread, i would need 95mm filters with step-up ring... or just use my existing gear. So it will probably be another year before I try this again. On the plus side, being a Canon shooter, by the time I outift an R5, it might be better to move to the R1... which will probably be what happens for me. I loved the R5 eyeAF! But I need a proper image more.
Turn the mechanical shutter on
Im actually still hyped about getting a used NIkon D800e! XD
get it! don't let the hype stop you from getting an older camera
it's an ureal camera. i just shot an event with it and 2 sony a7 iii. what a camera de d800e is! :))
I've had a d800 for the past 3ish years, and it's absolutely incredible. No thoughts of selling it or upgrading in the foreseeable future.
that is an amazing camera the d800e
Me too. I love my D850, but want a D4S for shooting my daughter’s sports.
I actually JUST got back into photography after years of inactivity and I went straight to my favourite webshops and checked the second hand section. I was totally shocked at how many great second hand professional models there were available so I jumped on a 5D Mark IV that is good as new for a great price. Only after buying it I started reading and then I found out that DSLRs are dead in the sense that no new models will come out anymore. Obviously things can change very fast nowadays... Still: I am sure the Mark IV still is an awesome camera and I will make amazing pictures with it. Not planning on replacing all my gear for mirrorless anyway so this was a good step for me even though the DSLRs are no longer being developed.
For me photography is just a fun hobby. I'm now 62 years old and I'm just fine with sticking with my Nikon D300 and lens collection. My daughter is still using her D80 & N80 and develops her own film.
canon is using the M mount for the small/ compact /travel camera and the RF mount for the professional line, that way they keep the low budget new photographers and hobbiests happy because of the low entry cost for body and lenses and in the same time telling people that professional gear comes at a price, the price of the RF world ..
In their last quarterly report, Nikon wrote "Record quarterly sales for mirrorless cameras" and "Imaging Products Business turned profitable in real terms, excluding extraordinary costs such as restructuring relevant expenses", so it's not all bad news.
Chelsea, why do you think anyone would want to go with DSLR unless you own compatible lenses?
Better to just use an adapter for old lenses and not cry that you can't buy a new DSLR. MIRRORLESS is better, period.
Out of sync audio ?
watch at 1.5 X and the problems goes away
Pentax: Hold my pentaprism!
As a Nikon fan-boy, I look at their roadmap & I am excited. There are a ton of new Z lenses and cameras coming out, so its a bit rough to say they're not going to innovate. Their eye AF might not be as cutting edge as the new Canon for example, but it is still amazing and beyond anything we could have expected 5 years ago. I keep camera for many years. My D90 I had for at least 5 years, my D4 at least 5 years. I don't need the very cutting edge, but I do want high quality, which is what a company like Nikon has in buckets. My Z7 will last me for ages. If I could get a Z equivalent of the D500, I'd have two small light bodies which would cover everything I need for a long long time.
At least Nikon seems to be one of a photography gear manufacturer that is taking his customer pool serously.
We, Sony users don't/can't have a solid roadmap of any kind about anything... Only rumors followed by surprises...
@@actionphotopassion5082 haha, well I guess if you like surprises, its a good thing, but I do like the roadmap and the picture which does with is is fantastic!
Yes, I was surprised by Tony's comment that he didn't expect anything exciting for the Nikon Z mount. They have a few small and cheap but still high quality and FX lenses and all Z lenses are quite good and also some have innovations such as an extra ring, function buttons, extra information on an OLED display. I have no reason to think they're done delivering solid bodies and glass and try new things.
@@iljitsch I think he was put out that Nikon didnt have many Z lenses to start with and has been a bit sulky ever since. I remember him being super-critical about the 70-200 f2.8 because if you were very close to a subject it didn't have full 200mm magnification or something I have never noticed. It is probably my fav lens of all time, but listening to Tony you'd think it was rubbish. He's a bit obsessive sometimes, if he can find one flaw, he'll go on and on about it, even though most people wouldn't ever notice. I still watch because he does try to look at all things. I wish he'd say 'look this may not be a bit deal.. but', instead of writing stuff off like he does.
I went digital with a Canon G1 compact in 2001. I stayed with compacts till 2006 when the affordable Nikon D50 became available and I could use all my old Nikon film lenses. But straightaway, I found the OVF to be a hindrance - no exposure preview, no black & white preview, all the focus points clustered in the centre of the frame. In 2011 I switched to Micro Four Thirds and never looked back.
Oh dear, another time-filling explanation of what DSLR and a mirrorless cameras are.
No one asked you to watch Rambo !!!
Even worse. It’s a podcast about camera sales. Maybe their next video will be about composition.
Well I'm not dead (yet) and my Canon 90D and EF lenses may well outlast me.
About 20 years ago people told me books were dead. All the book stores were going to go out of business. The DSLRs are not dead. They have advantages over mirrorless. When I have the $ for a new camera it'll be a D850.
Not all but many bookstores are going out of business.
Yeah ill but a 850 to
@@shang-hsienyang1284 Along with much of the rest of the high street.
Long time Canon user and I looked at a Nikon D850 and the optical viewfinder blew me away like no EVF I've seen so far. If Nikon makes an 880, they may have a convert on their hands.
@@SteelRiderCarl is a5d mk2 view finder good too i am planning to get one
DSLR is an anachronistic construction that was an ingenious invention when we were using negatives. EVFs today are so good both in terms of resolution and refresh rate that there is no longer any good reason to use a mirror in a camera. On the contrary there are many reasons to abandon the mirror. This is just a matter of technological development and nothing else. Existing DSLRs will continue to take just as good pictures as they have done all along, but it's just not there that the technological development will happen. And therefore, over time, mirrorless cameras will not only get more and more functionalities than DSLRs, but they will also get a better image quality, and likely also will become cheaper. So why not just leave it there, and enjoy your DSLR as long as it last, and acknowledge that the future belongs to the mirrorless camera.
You have to appreciate that there are people who absolutely do not care about the “quality “ of an EVf. The presence of the EVF is a major problem for many of the people who have no interest in the mirrorless consumer movement.
@@Dustyphoto915 I certainly do, just as I recognize that there are people who prefer film cameras to DSLRs, or prefer to listen to analogue LPs to digital music etc., and fortunately you can still buy film and LPs, and that will most likely also be the case with DSLRs, but as Tony pointed out, you will probably not see much R&D with DSLRs as is the case with film cameras and LPs. I'm afraid that you miss the point if you just regard this development as a result of "the mirrorless consumer movement".
My D850 works perfectly, it’s as reliable as ever, the image quality is still amazing, and my clients don’t care about the gear, what they buy is the images.
Phew! I panicked there for a second, until I realised is was the Northrupps.
hahahahahahaahhaha...automatic BS?
Which were right in the past with their predictions?
They seem to usa centric , the more I listen the more I realise sometimes they don’t have a clue ! And believe canon rumours as fact lol
@@markgreenwildlifeimages has nothing to do with location...it's just misleading crap..
Imagine taking 'advice' from someone who still cannot sync up audio in 2021,and reviews cameras which are not out yet...yeah,ok...
My 7D , I simply don't feel that grip in any mirror less
You are right there, I got a A7Riii, great camera but the grip just isn't right, the old D300 felt better.
Sold my Nikon gear... They became lazy and stopped trying to capture amateur and advanced photographers.. lost their market shares and trying to scramble to get it back..
Went to Fujifilm and upgraded to Sony Alpha
All the you tuber is spreading only one syndrome called "gear accusation syndrome". None of them talk about photography. Because I believe it is helping them to earn their bread and butter.
Ain’t that’s Right!
100% correct! And they are not photographers, and not even close to that..They just need your money
Nice video, DLSR will be next 10 more years, battery is much longer than mirrorless
The one camera system that I wish never died was the tiny Pentax Q series. It was cute & had a vintage look. It lacked quality lenses and a viewfinder. I hope some company would continue a version of that form factor.
Funny that DSLR still is a topic in 2021. Went to mirrorless back in 2012 ... never ever looked back! Mirrorless was more precise, could adapt more lenses, was more compact & elegant ... I especially agree with your comment on Fuji, they make cameras that are fun, Sony will never ever do that.
Maybe there's a very small special niche for DSLR in the future like there is for Leica rangefinders, more for philosophical than technical reasons, but that's it.
I want a Pentax K3 MarkIII review ASAP because I want to probably buy one.
With my D750, I have done a variety of photography. Night sky(Milky way, galaxies), Birding, landscape, flowers, portrait with great degree of satisfaction. Mirrorless camera offer a bit of ease while capturing picture but final image quality is not necessarily great. Why would I update my D750 if I am not getting any better image quality from mirrorless camera?
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Still shooting with 5d mark III and IV here! They are still rocking 😁
I have the money to buy whatever gear I want to, but I just like the physical experience of the mirror flapping and the natural feel of a dslr viewfinder.
Some people are just flap obsessed.
Henteri
Absolutely with you. A DSLR is a beautiful piece of equipment, and if it suits you then stay with it. I have both DSLR and two mirrorless and a couple of compact cameras. I use which one suits the situation I am going into.
DSLR for me.
Been a Canon shooter for many,many years.
I will never change.Why?
Because I don’t have to.
Updating will not make me a better photographer.
Simple as that.
Thank you for your video.
That means that you still using the first DSLR that you bought.
@@ivankiefer3886 no it doesn’t mean that at all.
@@SniperPhotography I mean you have updated to a better camera at some point. Is not going to make you a better photographer but more capable for sure. If your thing is a hobby I understand as a hobby I shoot film but for work I get the best tool possible. That's how is done in any field of work. If a tool can make my job easier why not.
The discussion was about the camera industry, not about whether you should switch cameras.
@@timothylatour4977 you are totally right. Just use whatever works best for the kind of job or hobby.
Yes keep on saying it "DSLRs are dead" ! Last week I bought a second hand Nikon D810 for 555 $ ! Works perfect !
Hey, need help with editing? It's really not that hard to sync audio. You literally press a button and it's done.
There are SLT's too...as an old Sony amateur user, I have just got myself a Sony A99 with vertical grip for £620. This was an upgrade from my A850! In it's day, it was considered a good camera, so I am happy to be using such a great camera now with all the Minolta/Sony glass I have.
Hey there,
That's interesting. I suppose that the A850 is built with a pentaprism (not pentamirror) so I 'm curious to know what you prefer between the 2 in good light ?
I personally used my Minolta D7D 2 weeks ago at the beach and I was amazed by the OVF (pentaprism) compared to the EVF of my A99m2 under same lighting.
So I decided to chase for an A900 as the next FF camera in the A-mount system (hoping/thinking/assuming that it is a pentaprism and not a pentamirror)
@@actionphotopassion5082 Yes, both the A850 and A900 have pentaprisms. The only difference is that the A900 has 100% view, whereas the A850 has 98%.
I have not really had a chance to test them against each other in good light (with the same lenses), but the A99 handles higher ISO much better. Also the A99 has the bonus of ISO 50. It will be interesting to get a nice sunny day and do a test though. I always felt the A850 was very good in good light though.
Just moved back from Sony to Nikon f mount. It's a great market place to be just now 👍🏻
Thank you both for the overview. Appreciate the insights.
For me, conversion is an issue of value and diminishing returns.
As with any new technology, there is a price to be paid by the consumer for bragging rights to be the first to procure it.
IMO, that is where mirrorless technology is at the current moment.
I am quite confident that history will repeat itself insofar that the product’s price point will drop as the technology advances.
When that occurs, the market then stabilizes and the consumer will reap the benefit of purchasing an improved new technology at both a proper price point and with the knowledge that the new technology is here to stay.
The cost of conversion to a new body and lenses is 20k.
As such, I as a consumer, must ask if the quality of an entire new mirrorless system is going to produce results far beyond that of my existing dslr setup in order to justify the expenditure. At this juncture, the answer is no!
I think I speak for a lot of users when I say that the the technology hasn’t been around long enough to instill consumer confidence nor have manufacturers created enough value for most of us to make the conversion,. When weighing the existing cost versus benefits of conversion, the scales are not tipped in favor of most consumers.
After I bought my 5D Mark IV, I immediately regretted buying it over the EOS R, so I bought the EOS R and kept both. Now a year later, I still grab my 5D Mark IV over the EOS R. I still prefer the DSLR over Mirrorless. I hope Canon continues to make DSLR's for when I want to upgrade.
Can you elaborate on why? I'm still with DSLR but thinking about switching.
@@fsmelo87 I just like the feel of the DSLR. I don't know how to explain it other than I trust it as I used an SLR previous. The Mirrorless is smaller, lighter and just not fond of the feel, maybe I could get used to it. I do use the EOS R, it really is a nice camera, I just prefer my 5D Mark IV.
I also migrated to the EOS R which I prefer for one important reason; I can review my pictures through the EVF under the bright sun which I couldn't with my old DSLR (impossible through the LCD screen).
@@ricci.hidalgo Yes, very true. The EVF is very nice for that specific reason. But I can't say I have any issues with the LCD on my 5D IV.
Tested 5D4 and R - then bought the R with the BG E22
DSLRs aren't being invested into bc ppl don't want them, they're being left behind because of simple economics:
Every product is priced based on it's production volume and sales volume defines profit. In a shrinking market, you need to increase prices to maintain profitability, since production costs increase when lower volumes are made. Canon and Nikon used to sell high volumes of dslr bodies and lenses, and would compete against their own used lenses and bodies if they increase prices. So the easiest thing is to introduce a new option that can be priced appropriately to the new, lower volumes of production and sales - and that is why new mirrorless cameras and lenses are so much more expensive.
Nikon has no new and interesting glass? What about that 14-30 f4? Literally the most exciting lens for landscape photography in the past 10 years or so. Compact, lightweight, wide, sharp, takes filters and is relatively affordable. Thinking about switching to Nikon just for that single lens.
F4 yes everyone wants an f4
@@ivankiefer3886 Yeah, you are completely right. Affordable, compact, light but yet really sharp f4 lenses are just hot garbage. Only f0.95 lenses or less produce acceptable results.
I love how a vast majority of our "great" camera reviewers on this platform transfer their idiotic obsession with big aperture glass to the general public. Well, except for Canons f11 lenses, of course. These are considered as groundbreaking innovations.
I first looked through an SLR camera in 1983, and have been hooked ever since. Range finders don't do it. Mirrorless cameras don't do it. That view through the lens though... what a world you go into! The photos are the record of the awe.
Some people can’t seem to give up on the OVF.
Yep, and there are some very good reasons for that.
i am one of these people
@@noneofyourbeeswax371 definitely I agree. I think I like EVF overall but OVFs are very useful in some situations
starting with an OVF helps people understand the basic much better
@@hunterrat fair enough! If only there was a way for a camera have both.
I'm a tech guy. I recently bought my 1st mirrorless camera. A Nikon Z5. Sometimes, you just got to go for what works for you and pray for the best. Technology is here this morning and gone by the time you buy it in the afternoon. That's the price we pay to have the latest and greatest. My thought was to buy into the Nikon z lens system. Later on down the road, I could update my body and still have my lenses. That is if they ever come out with something worthy of upgrade. Finger 🤞
But now I'm just hoping they make it at least a couple more years, so I'll have a collection of Z lenses.
I am all for new technology. Companies know that to make more money, they need to evolve. Everything has a shelf life. Enjoy what you have. You can't take it with you when you leave this world.
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I disagree Tony. I still think there is much refinement for Mirrorless to be on par with DX or 5d4. What I also predict is we should all hold onto our Dslrs as in 10 years time we will be paying a monthly subscription to use our cameras!!!
today you can get 10 year old stuff for cheap while lenses have not improved much .....
subscription do not work for hardware , they might only work for later added value or features.
That's a good one 😂
Only as good as the next firmware update. Pay per click. That's where cars and cameras and anything else connected is heading! Even your kettle will need a $ each morning.
As a professional musician for over 40 years, I've dealt with "planned obsolescence" in electronic gear for decades. But, "obsolete" is kind of a relative term. As long as the gear still works for you, and does what you need it to do, it's not obsolete. As an example, my all-time favorite synthesizer, an Ensoniq TS12 (made in Pennsylvania, of all places) lasted more than 27 years in my rig. When it finally went to that big bandstand in the sky, it was like losing a family member.
I feel the same way about my cameras. Sure, mirrorless are the wave of the future, and that's perfectly fine. But as another poster mentioned, one side benefit of the new stuff is the availability of excellent used DSLRs. I've used my original EOS 300D for just about 20 years, and have added a used 7D and 20D to my bag. My 60th birthday present to myself just this past week was a used 1DX Mark III. I'm really happy with these camera and some decent glass, and I'm confident that this gear, all in great shape, will outlast me! It's all more than sufficient for my needs, and that's kind of the point.
I still shoot with a D800e. I shoot a lot of architecture and interior, and the results are still amazing. I'm on a tripod most of the time, AF doesn't matter as much (I'm at f16 or more most of the time), I'm tempted to get a new mirrorless camera, but I sure as heck don't need one.
GFX mate.
amazing camera the d800e
I miss the days when my 5Diii did everything I needed (portraits) and it did it realllllly well (snappy response, intuitive feel, rugged build, batteries lasted forever, vast lens selection, resolution surpassed my needs, etc). I wanted for nothing. Then I got into making little TH-cam videos so I wanted focus tracking and a flippy screen, so I used two cameras for a year (SL2/5Diii) before trying to replace both with an EOS RP (lacked long battery life, rugged feel, snappy response, and intuitive feel) then an EOS R (slightly faster and slightly more rugged, but still not quick or intuitive- too many menu dives required). I hung on to my EF glass and considered going back to a 5D for stills then just using the R for video. When I borrowed an R5 I finally found that intuitive feeling I loved about my 5D, so I bought an R6 and have been VERY happy (traded out my EF glass for RF). This whole life story to say- I switched to mirrorless not because of what makes mirrorless different from DSLR, that was a huge non-factor, but because it was the only way I was going to get ONE camera that could do everything I want/need. Okay maybe the 6Dii could have worked well for me, and that was the plan if the R5/R6 were duds.
Honestly, if it's just the screen, you could have used a cheap tablet and an HDMI adapter for it. That's what I did.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade thanks! Near the end there I was using a laptop to monitor recordings with the 5D but I still had to stand on a mark and try not to lean in or out much, or else I’d have to shoot at like F11 to make sure I didn’t move out of focus.
The L mount will survive. Sigma is far to stubborn and really wants to make their own cameras and Panasonic will carve out quite a niche with their S series for pro video.
I'm one of those people regarding looking for a D-SLR. Since people are "running" to mirror-less, of course prices drop on the D-SLR. I got a used Nikon D810 for a little over $800.00 in fantastic condition. Even got 3 new lenses as well.
I truly appreciate mirror-less. But, until I "have to" change, not jumping. Or on minimum, I can wait for prices to drop. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy where I'm at with my gear. Still, I'm not against change. I started with film and just when I got into photography, D-SLR came in and took over. I'll switch when the time is right.
I have two r5’s and I still prefer my 1dxii for photo taking. Optical for me is still nicer to use. I do like the benefits of evf but they still aren’t good enough to match a optical in terms of clarity and realism.
another year shooting a very much alive DSLR, D810 here!
When do we get to stop calling our cameras “mirrorless”? Describing in terms of what’s missing; like a “horseless carriage.” 😜
Good point, but what would you call an interchangeable lens camera that has no mirror, considering that for many years 35mm equivalent cameras have had mirrors? Any suggestions on a name? Just curious.
@@timothylatour4977 In the Netherlands the term "mirrorless" doesn't exist. It's called a "system camera" (as in, a modular camera), as opposed to "mirror reflex" (which is basically a system camera, but with a mirror). It's the same name we gave to pre-SLR camera's before the digital era (e.g. the Epson R-D1 "rangefinder" is a system camera in Dutch).
@@tfm2934 It sounds like a good name to me. You are right -- the rangefinders preceded the SLR's with their mirrors.
How do you distinguish between a "system camera" and a pocket camera, particularly a high-end pocket camera such as the G7X mk iii or the G5X mk ii? Both are mirrorless, of course, but the pocket cameras have permanent lenses so they don't sound like "system" cameras to me. What are they called in the Netherlands?
@@timothylatour4977 Smartphones 🙂 Kidding of course. Compact camera's. Not sure if that's a universal term or not though.
@@timothylatour4977 A DSL camera :p
Hi Tony and Chelsea. Last winter I went ice skating with my Canon 5d mk III. I fell with my camera slung around my neck. I body slammed on the ice with the camera between me and the ice. When I got up there was a big star in the ice but the cara just absolutely shrugged it off.
That's why I have a 5D. It is absolutely built like a tank and I am not confident enough I can say the same for the latest mirrorless.
I was a hardcore DSLR fan, but I learned to really love the evf because it gives you a more accurate reflection of exposure.
Not only that but focus (at poor light conditions), enables focus peaking, accurate depth of field preview, allows you to properly review photos and adjust settings in situations where the LCD cannot be read... Beyond all of that, the integration with smartphone apps replacing intervalometer remotes or simple cable releases... I could spend all day here talking about the advantages, only at the cost of battery autonomy.
Dslrs have a meter where you can see if your under or over exposed duh 🙄
@@maggyfish There is a big difference between "a meter" and life view.
@@deformator2 yes but that's actually 1 second difference. you can just take a pic and check it instantly.
@@f.iph7291 Which solution is more convienient?