With this line of logic, Sears would still be the major shopping venue and GM would be dominating the world auto market. No dominance is ever permanent.
Tony points this out at the end when he says he wants to see more than just two main camera companies because the industry already saw the fall of Olympus and he knows what it's like being part of a monopoly.
with Sears, mom-n-pops were not threatened and everything was fine. sometimes I wonder if everything will always be fine but I agree the logic is suspect
@@andreasthegreat8509 I never said Pentax is gone. I actually said there are two *'main'* camera companies (before it was Nikon/Canon and now it's Canon/Sony.)
One of the problems with this and many TH-cam camera discussions is that most people can't afford this stuff. I understand you're partly talking about innovation that sometimes trickles down to more affordable models, but those cameras are always very crippled.
Canon’s rebel t7 (1500d)has the same sensor as say, a 80d, a camera almost thrice the price. And it’s image quality is nearly as good. Something like an m50 mk2 or a 200d mk2 (sl2) or a 800d (t7i) on par if not better than Sonys budget cameras
These cameras are for people who are professionals and do this for a living. They are not consumer cameras and that’s why they’re priced the way they are.
How about looking beyond the bleeding edge? Who's best at moving the latest and greatest feature set down to consumer level cameras? Realistically, that's the largest part of the market, and where most people live.
Sony has been pushing it’s marketing big time with their embassadors & sponsored shows. As far as focus tracking & sensors tech, it seems like they are leading the way. Nikon waited way to long to up their game in mirrorless & video. If they can up their focus tracking game at decent price range they have a chance. The smartest thing they did with mirrorless was the larger diameter lens mount. Nikon also need s to up their marketing if they really want to stay in the game. Hopefully they will come out with something special like the D500 & D850 we’re when they released. We the consumer need the competition in camera business.
Customer is No1. I used to use Canon before switching to Sony (start with A7r2. At that time many people still look down on Sony. And bcos of that, I managed to resell my canon gear at good price. Thank u- Canon. LOL). The main reason is I donnot like the way Canon treat customers. They were sleeping with their victory, they treat customer like a fool. They were too stuborn and conservative. Only when Sony joins the race, we start seeing Canon wake up. As the result, now both Canon and Sony users are enjoying new tech. Now I'm happy with Sony A7iii, A1. One day I may switch back to Canon if they serve my need. So customer is No1. BTW, Tony, I think it is time for you to take some breaks to think abt your content direction if u dont want to see people start leaving your channel.
4::50 ‘i don’t have to always wait for the next firmware update’ Meanwhile r5 shooter currently waiting for the dual recording firmware after waiting for the clog 3 firmware after waiting for the overheating firmware…
This shows how Canon listens to their customers! No other company has offered firmware improvements like Canon has. When you buy a camera from other companies, you are usually stuck with the features until a new camera is released. If you bought an R5 last year wanting dual recording, well, it didn't have it and you knew that so only your fault. Anything after after a camera is released is only a bonus (Canon NEVER said it would offer dual recording, EVER, yet they are giving it via firmware after only 1 year. Impressive).
@@77dris Lol. Canon is known for barely providing any updates. Fujifilm, Panasonic, Blackmagic lead in that regard. Sony is middle of the road and Canon way behind. With the R5/R6 debacles, they are almost forced to provide updates lately to battle the negative press they got.
As an R5 user; you have to look and see that the cinema line is super 35 sensor, so the R5 in crop mode can pump out high quality 4K long all day. Sure limitations in FF but use it sparingly.
Very good point, I also watched that DPreview video. 8K in the Canon R5 is a novelty feature, not useable in a professional context. But as a photo camera, allot of people online report being very happy with it.
While that video was hilarious it was not the experience that I have had with my R5 or R6. I have never seen the overheat signal on either while filming. I recently saw a video on TH-cam that may explain why. I use a Ninja V and turn the evf and backscreen off while foiling. It lets me record until the battery dies
"I don't have to wait for the next firmware update" yeah thanks god you don't need that with canon or you'll probably change your camera first considering they're doing a firmware update once every couple of years at best.. I'm shooting canon, I love my 1DXII, I plan to buy the R5 or R3 depending on the specs, I LOVE the glasses they have, but honestly I'm rooting for sony because thanks to sony canon has to get out of their comfort zone, stop dumbing down their gear like they always do, and actually update their firmwares once in a while because it starts showing that they don't have any follow through on their released gear when you see what sony does.. Canon will probably stay number 1, but sony is my number one even though I don't own any of their gears
Honestly I was a lifelong canon shooter and when I wanted to upgrade, canon didn’t have a serious mirrorless contender, so I left for the Sony a9. It annoyed me how every point Chelsea made about the Sony (minus the menus which are terrible.) isn’t applicable to today. The a9 tracks and shoots amazingly through updates. On top of that the buffer isn’t a problem as absolutely nobody is holding the shutter down for a minute straight, where that would then become an issue.
Canon & Nikon always dumb down their gear so you have to spend more to get the features & it bitt them in the ass! (-or you could look at it as why pay more for options you probably might not use)Once you get past the entry camera market for snapshot shooters & beginners, it should be all in as far as features go. As someone who shoots wildlife, I would go for the A1 & appropriate lenses if my wallet had more room in it.
Omg Chelsea’s comments are the best part of these videos! She really pulls the daggers out 😆 “how do you enjoy using your Sony phone?” ROFL. I confess I converted from Sony A7RIV and several GM lenses to Canon R5 and their L glass and yeahhhh Canon has it figured out. Canon is an imaging company; Sony is an electronics company. You can see right there in that simple statement where they put their priorities. I switched to canon because I saw the writing on the wall when Sony only makes f/1.2 GM glass as a direct response to hemorrhaging users to Canon due to a lack of good glass. Sony was forced to open up lens manufacturing on their mount because they cannot compete with Canons lens innovation. They can only dump all of their money into sensors and processors and hope that it is enough to compete. But anybody that has been in a photography business very long knows that when you buy a camera, you are not really buying the camera. You are buying into the lens system. Because that is where most of the money goes. I couldn’t stay with the company that pins their hopes on Sigma continuing to bail out their substandard glass. I respect Tony for providing so many positive points to Sony, and realize that he has to remain impartial so that you guys don’t alienate part of your subscriber base. It’s OK Tony, we know you secretly like Canon more as well. 🤣
I agree that when you buy a camera, you re actually choosing a lens system - given when their body performs similarity, or without a major gap between them. But when Canon decided to keep their 1080p in 5D for almost 10 years in a row without changing much, and the only time when they decided to stuff 4K in their camera body was 2 years after Sony pushed out a7R2 and they still manage to fock up that feature by recording XXL extra large uncompressed footage files, you know lens won’t save you. I’m glad they are back in the ring again, but they were seriously knocked out for a good 4-5 years in the game.
What evidence is there that Sony was "hemorrhaging users to Canon due to a lack of good glass?" How could Sony have been losing customers while simultaneously gaining market share? What evidence is there that Sony was "forced to open up lens manufacturing on their mount because they cannot compete with Canons lens innovation?" You say, " I couldn’t stay with the company that pins their hopes on Sigma continuing to bail out their substandard glass." Who is saying Sony glass is substandard? I have not read that anywhere, and when I look at objective lens tests from various sources, Sony glass tests as well as competing glass. I am not knocking Canon; they make good/great products. But it seems to me you are making up stuff in your head in order to justify your decision to switch.
@@giaus_harty that probably mattered more in the days when the only lenses worth having were prime and even a keen amateur needed at least 4 lenses (plus extension tubes etc)
The problem with all the new camera and lense no mater the brand including Pentax and Fuji. the average person that are really advanced in there photography but lead average middle class lives. People can never afford it. To the average person that can use that gear its like buying a car. All of it is Just way to expensive .
Canon would be taking us for granted like Adobe do if it weren't for Sony. Right now, Canon is making excellent mirrorless cameras, but they wouldn't be doing that if Sony didn't force them too.
I don't care which no. they are, but all Canon fan boys should thanks Sony that Canon release their features that they keep crippling for the next several years.
@@jessejayphotography Sony was the sole manufacturer of XQD cards, now name how many Sony csmeras used XQD cards and how many made users suffer buffering?
In 2013, I went from Canon to Leica for my photos. Then later I bought a A73 for 4K video. Even though I technically "Switched" brands, I still kept all of my Canon glass bodies and accessories knowing full well that I was waiting for canons mirrorless offerings to improve. I have spent a good portion of my career waiting and waiting but I will still wait until I see something a little better than the R5. Just a little. There is just too much about the Sony camera system that I just never use as a photographer or a film maker. For now, it's my Leica and my Sony until canon convinces me to buy an adaptor.
I had been a lifelong Canon user. Never had another camera and it was so hard to switch (brand loyalty). After months of searching, I bought a Sony a7siii with a Sigma 24-70 DG DN ART f2.8 to shoot music videos. I could not use an R5 or R6 because of overheating and time limitations. The Sony camera produces remarkable footage and has never overheated. To be honest, I was holding out for months with the hope that Canon would come out with an R7 or some camera that was comparable (so I could use my lenses). I would have bought it!
I shoot predominantly Canon, and apart from the investment that I have in all that gear, I much prefer the Canon interface over Sony's - I find it a nightmare of disjointed menus. That said, I went to Sony for the camera I carry when I want just one smaller 'one-camera-does-it-all' and found it in the Sony RX-10MkIV bridge camera. The optics are brilliant and so is the sensor and processing: however, I found the interface clumsy and the ability to customize buttons limited. Still, reverting to basic controls, it does a better job at its role than the equivalent Canon superzoom bridge cameras such as the PowerShot G3X. I originally purchased that, but was frustrated by the lack of a built-in EVF and the add-on unit was clunky, fragile and expensive. The Sony integrated EVF left it for dead. I also have a couple of Nikon cameras that I really like using - and I observe that Nikon are hitting a sweet spot with the introduction of their retro-style Nikon Zfc model - although I have hopes they will create a FF version, a wish that I observe has been frequently expressed by others.
@@wl5609 I do not think they are done, but hurting yes. They are making moves to save money, but what worries me is that even products that customers want like the new Z lens are just not available.. It is life to not sell products that no one wants, but when a lot people want what your selling and you cannot produce the product.. That is just bad business and this practice happened long before covid.. Back with the D850 and the 500PF lens..
Also. Just be honest with yourself a bit. Canon release lenses inexpensive like 800mm because they don’t allow other companies to have their auto focus algorithm. Unlike Sony that sigma tamron viltrox meiki …etc have access to . That’s a fact . Sony have more option and selections when it comes to lenses
Well even with all 3 of them existing now it seems like profiting will still be the ultimate goals for every single one of them. Innovation is very slow now (with the lenses), prices keep rising, limitations are still many. I loved Sony, very much. Not so much now when the truth hits.
As a lifelong 60-something Canon user (never owned anything but Canon, ever since my first beloved AE-1), I say that Tony gets NO POINTS for his retirement home comment. And, yes, I do remember the Agassi commercials from the '80s.
As a fellow 'living fossil' I must admit I have to smile at ageism. Past a certain number one gets demeaned and treated like one has dementia! I never experienced the Agassi commercials as I live in NZ and it has, along with most of the world, a different naming convention, so we don't have rebels with confusing suffixes, we just use numbering systems like 700D, 750D etc.
I agree with this. As a currnet Sony a7s III shooter, Sony does improve the ergonomics and menu system with each camera system and I like that. I used to shoot with Canon a few years ago, so I love both companies and not biased towards one. When I do hold a Canon R5 or R6, it does feel really great in the hands, I love the image reproduction on the rear display more, and I do like that you can touch to change your settings and scroll through video. If Sony can improve these things, I feel like it can help them that much more. If Canon can fix a few issues, like custom settings for video, overheating, & etc, it will with them that much more. All and all, both manufactures are doing a good job so far and I'm excited with future iterations of their cameras.
Not only do I remember the Agassi commercials, but I still have my film Rebel . . . and guess what . . . it still works! As does my Rebel XTi and original 7d. That's another reason why Canon will always be #1, they may not always be the first to market, but their stuff works, works well, and lasts forever.
I've had a love / hate relationship with Canon. I switched to Lumix GH5 for video and G9 for photos. I've been wanting to find a reason to go back to Canon, but I'm not confident yet that Canon will continue to deliver leading edge features. I hate the fact that Canon always leads from behind vs. delivering the best in breed features out of the gate.
One point that was missing: Third-party lenses (Tamron, Sigma, Samyang, TTArtisan) seem to prefer Sony. There are much more such new lenses for Sony. For example the new Tamron 17-70 was made first for Sony. As I know there is no similar lens for Sony. As there are more affordable, good lenses for Sony not only professionals but also "normal" people can buy affordable camera staff
@@noelchignell1048 because Canikon lenses are still going to be the best option with rare exception within their ecosystem. I say that recognizing that the divide is much smaller than it used to be, but even looking at Sony's model it doesn't appear that Sony is suffering from poor lens sales. It lets these manufacturers focus on making truly exceptional lenses for professionals where the margins are anyhow.
Focus mate, focus. If you dont nail focus in the heat of battle, your shot is toast, and you are less likely to nail focus with third party lenses. I shoot birds in flight, and I would not even consider using a Tamron or Sigma on my R5. In fact, the worse lens I ever bought was a Sigma. Also, the lens I received yesterday is TTartisan 11mm f2.8 - fully manual lens, for astro use. Works great on the R5. Infact, 50yr old Canon FD mount glass can be used with the R5. This means hundreds of vintage lenses can be used on the R5. Vintage glass is very popular with commercial film makers. Every day I see a big $$ commercial shat with vintage glass usually late in the day, with sun flare.
I and my buddy are photo enthusiast (not pros). He's been a Canon shooter from the beginning. Has 3 or 4 bodies and many lenses, flashes, triggers. A few years back he's taking a trip with his family to California/Yosemite. 3 days before the trip he asked my opinion about a compact camera for his wife. I showed him a couple videos on TH-cam for A6000, He ordered a 2nd hand one that night for $500. Guess what, for the whole trip the Canons came out of the luggage once. 90% of the photos taken were on the Sony A6000. He and his wife actually fought over for using that camera. To this day, he uses the Sony over 99% of the time. Even for occasional pay gigs when he hauls out his Canon gears, the Sony is always in his pocket. Fact is most people don't need full frame with 30+ mps. If you can't take great pictures with 24mp APSC, the limitation is you, not the gear.
Nikon user. Every time I use a Canon, I go in with an open mind. But they just disappoint me at every turn. 1. The position and angle of the two control dials just seems terribly unergonomic 2. Likewise, the on off switch just seems to be in such a bad position 3. After I take a photo with a Nikon, I can zoom in immediately. With Canon, I have to stop, go into the play menu and open the photo again, and only then can I zoom. 4. Canons just seem to be loading and buffering all the time. Take a few consecutive shots and the whole camera locks up. With Nikon, you always remain in control 100% of the time. It’s immediately responsive. There are many other subtle things like this, but Canon just seems to have so many things that make a bad user experience, things that aren’t mentioned in specs or reviews.
This is a very interesting debate, thank you for posting a video about it. I’ve had thoughts about switching to Canon here & there, but I’ve always loved Sony product. I was actually visiting Japan and ran into a who worked for Sony at a coffee shop. He wasn’t too high up on the ladder, but he wasn’t a low-level employee either. He told me there will be some amazing features coming out in the next couple years. He wouldn’t get too specific, of course, but he had that look in his eye like he dying to give a secrete away! Lol. Anyways, one thing worth mentioning is that when you are shooting in “HI+” drive mode with the A7III (not sure about the other models) the motion tracking and autofocus freeze in their position (lock) and don’t re-autofocus for a moving subject. If you switch the drive mode to “HI” it will continue to autofocus as the subject moves. So, the whole thing “10fps” is kind of pointless unless you are using it on still objects, and as Chelsea said, that’s pointless. Please correct me if I’m wrong on this or maybe one of the updates has fixed it. I actually turn of the auto-image review so I can shoot faster, but the screen blackout and not being able to change settings in the most irritating thing. If Sony fixed those three things I wouldn’t have much to complain about. I always appreciate your content, it’s legit and very informative! I haven’t found any other channels out there like you two! Thank you, keep them coming, please!
Young kids starting in photography usually buy Sony apsc cameras, the number one reason is due to sony's video features and eye auto focus etc. In the future those same photographers will more than likely buy Sony full frame. Which ever way you look at it, Sony is increasing market share in a market which is shrinking. Thats a win.......
I just got back from Murrells Inlet, South Carolina. It's mostly a retirement community. Anyway, I noticed that every camera, other than my Fujifilm, was a Canon! I was wondering what this was about. Tony's comments about older generations having a fondness for Canon makes sense. It'd be fun to look at more (and actually researched) camera own demography.
You folks miss a key point - the most innovative camera isn't necessarily the best choice for every photographer. If you are heavily invested in Nikon glass should you switch to Canon because they have cameras with superior autofocus? Perhaps it would be better to wait and see how well the Z9 performs which will incorporate real time tracking and AI. Personally, my D850 is very adequate for most of my needs with the possible exception of BIF. Chelsea, please get up early in the morning and go photograph some 4 legged creatures with that f/11. It's very useful for BIF, but is not fast enough to produce high grade images in shade during the early morning hours. In this situation I’m pressed for adequate light using with my 500 mm f/5.6. I don't want to see someone who has a limited budget purchase this lens and be disappointed.
Screw Canon, I think it was 2012 when my friend bought the just released Olympus OMD EM5, at the time I was using a Nikon D80. my friend let me borrow his new em5 for a day. and I was blown away by it. I thought it was the future of cameras, and it made my D80 feel like a dinosaur. I could not believe that I could see my exposure while I adjusted my settings. and I loved the touch screen and touch focus and shoot feature. and I instantly thought that this camera was the future. I didn't even know at the time that it was mirrorless. and at that time I wanted to go full frame. but there was no mirrorless full frame. and I was intimidated by the Nikon D800 36mp. so I bought a Canon 5Dlll. but even on the day I bought the camera, I felt like I was buying old technology. so I became someone who started praising mirrorless before any other person was doing it. hoping that Canon or Nikon was going to come out with a mirrorless full frame camera like the Olympus em5. but it was Sony who came out with it. but the performance wasn't great. so I waited and waited and waited for Canon and Nikon to come out with one. and it never happened. when the 5D4 came out I refused to buy it because I new my next camera had to be mirrorless. even tho countless people argued with me that DSLR's would always be King. including allot of youtube influencers. then finally when the Sony A7r lll came out I new it was time to get the camera that I always wanted when I bought the 5Dlll so many years earlier. and when I bought the A7r lll I was pissed off at Canon and Nikon for making me move to Sony because they denied that mirrorless technology was better for so many years. so I hate Canon and Nikon for that. as far as I am concerned they don't deserve my business. Sony innovated and gave me what I wanted while Nikon and Canon denied mirrorless. so FU to Canon and Nikon. and Canon and Nikon still won't give 3rd party lens manufacturers the formula for there glass. so all third party glass has to be reverse engineered. but Sony works with 3rd party manufacturers witch is why there are so many affordable lens options from Samyang, Tamron and Sigma for Sony cameras. Canon also intentionally cripples their gear to protect the other lineups. so screw Canon. and as far as Canon glass goes. the 28/70 f2 I would never buy it because its huge and heavy. I would much rather have some small and light f1.8 primes. and their 50 f1.2 is allot bigger and heavier then Sony's GM f1.2. and Canons 85 f1.2 is a huge and heavy monster. so Canon might make some really nice glass. but I don't want big and heavy monster glass. I love glass like the Sony 35/55/85/135 f1.8. the only new lens I like of Canons is the small 70/200 L. the other glass you can keep. I'm not interested. so to sum it up. just because Canon is catching up, doesn't mean they deserve my business. they forced me to switch brands. so why should i give them my business again.
I bought the original E-M5 when it came out and instantly knew this (mirrorless) was the future. The biggest problem with mirrorless was battery life. They could only take up to 1/3 the amount of shots as DSLRs. So they were viewed as toys for a long time (no matter how good they were) and some still are.
It doesn't matter who is #1. What matters is to use a system you trust and that works for you. All these cameras are amazing and they all offer something a little different. We're spoiled for choices.
For photos with meaning and emotion I have my Canon 1D IV, 5D classic, Elan 7NE, A1, Canonet 28, for more modern high resolution and dynamic range photos I have a Sony A7R II.
Long ago in a world without digital cameras I shot with a Canon AE-1 (but I am not in a retirement home Tony!). In the early 1990's I was the first grad student at my university to use a digital camera. It was a Nikon 995. It was great! for a time. Things started to change and I fell out of photography. About 20 years later I came back into photography and video for my research and teaching. I tried a few systems and just like the Canon feel and operation of their cameras. Had a SL2, then a 80D, a 5D iv and now a RP, R6, R5 and a mix of EF L and RF L and non L glass. Love it all! I feel bad about Nikon's state of things and like to see competition, but it all just comes down to what the user wants. The I see other shooters using a Nikon and Sony etc. I just ask "how is that work for you?" As long as people are being creative...
The last canon I used was the AE1 not used a canon since. Iv been working with nikon ever since. Iv been a photographer since 1965 ill never use canon again.
Canon was forced to innovate. Sony has continued to innovate. I dont doubt canon's prowess. But sony is more deeprooted in semiconductor, sensor tech, mobile tech, display and visual processors. A1 is sony's showcase of what they can offer. Canon still needs to catchup.
@@airb1976 R3 specs are unknown... they are targeting 30 frames on alleged 30mp sensor... its like saying our future product cant match A1, thats the reason they are calling it R3 and not R1 as they dont R1 branding until they can match A1. I like canon, i own canon and sony both, but i would bet on sony as a future investment for my system.
@@sexysilversurfer the last company that sat on huge bank of patents was nokia. They controlled nearly 70% of communication patents. Patent does not ensure survival. Revenue and margin does.
@@pixelirk the R3/R1 rebranding is the dumbest Argument from Sony fanbois which I saw in recent Times. The R3 has an unique feature of modern cameras - Initial start eye controlled AF. This technique isnt new because Canon and Nikon (I guess) had this in the 90's in one specific Film camera. Canons model was called EOS 3, which was Loved by Tech Junkies. Now 23 years later Canon is releasing a successor with this eye controlled AF and they called this camera (guess what?) the EOS R3.
I speak as one who uses cameras from every company. I've never felt that Canon cameras were all that great, but they will remain for a long time simply because they are huge and have a ton of money. Their big forte is reliability and simplicity of use. IQ is mostly middle of the road and when they have really good lenses, they are costly, heavy, and big. They made two excellent moves that has kept people coming back for more: EOS and dual pixel. The main reason I wont buy too many of their products is because they change systems whenever they want and offer very little backward compatibility. 1959-R mount, 1964-FL mount, 1971-FD mount, 1987-EF mount, 2003-EF-s mount, 2012-EF-M mount, 2018-EOS-R mount. So a consumer is forced to dump everything and start over a lot. Great way to make a lot of money!
Tony and noone else would claim that Z would be "bad". I think Z is just running behind a little (e.g. eye AF), and that is already a big problem nowadays, in a shrinking market's stiff competition. Also, Z glass is certainly "good", but it is too nichy (partly because it is too expensive for most applications and use cases). They play in a "wanna be Zeiss" niche. Nothing wrong with Zeiss neither, but it is a niche too small for someone like Nikon to thrive longer term.
@@tennislehrer1 Nikon is playing there own drums and moving to their own beat... It's these consumers who are trapping themselves... Eye AF isn't for everything. When you have $30k plus in camera gear and it's solving your problems daily you keep moving. I don't look at my gear and think I cannot get my work done. Oh and that FTZ adapter is pure gold. with the focus peaking ever lens I own is in play in the Z system... All of it...
I think that we need both very much. They push each other to compete for our money. They all have a camera that will work for you just pic one you like the most and you won’t regret it you’ll be a proud camera owner. But also do your research on which one works best for what you want.
Maybe some of the Google requests were „where can I sell all my canon gear“. I think this was the most common request with the first generation of the mirrorless cameras EOS R and RP.
I went from shooting with a phone to using a camera when the Sony a73 came out and I really enjoyed using it and still like it. I also tried the 7D Mark II and the d500 for wildlife but I never went with the A9 or a7r bodies. Now the Canon R6 has pulled me back to Cannon with its Superior animal eye autofocus and high ISO handling. I'm very happy with both systems right now but eventually I made go completely 2 Canon.
In late 2018, when Canon's mirrorless answer was the R, I switched to Sony. I hope that Sony stays with internal zoom, and lets the "compact" 70-200mm f/2.8 remain Canon's [12:20].
Tony's observation about the future of Olympus rings true. For decades I always had whatever was the current Olympus flagship camera (usually more than one body) and its top of the line lenses from fisheye to 300mm. When the consumer camera division was spun off, that was a sign that the brand would begin to decline. I sold off all my Olympus gear (there were three bodies and eight top of the line lenses) and went back to Canon (once having been an F-1 system owner). The replacement was Canon's EOS R5 and five of its top-of-the-line lenses. The only things I miss are Olympus's light weight and drop-dead build quality (though Canon's build is fine, too).
Although I love my Canon equipment, I have been frustrated having bought and received an R6 a couple months ago while the lens mount adapter and the RF 100-500mm lens is on indefinite backorder. Makes my R6 nothing more than an expensive, albeit stylish, doorstop.
Currently Canon lack enough affordable RF lenses for most hobbyist and amateurs, as well as lack of third party supports. It'll be a long journey to catchup to Sony e mount in that regard though.
canon is my nr1 because I can import my own picture style profiles with adjusted curves, colors and all.. I can replicate any look of any camera with canon picture style editor.
Canon calculators are widely used in Malaysia. You will find one in every office here. It is also the choice of non scientific calculator brand among students and grocery shops
Nikon can deal with third place. They are downsizing the company to be back in profit (because they know they can't compete with such a massive company as Sony and all the money they can put into image marketing, here on TH-cam, other socialmedia and reviews). And that is the best move, because the market will continue to shrink. I'm not worried at all, about Nikon. Let's hope we can talk about the big three in the future. Nikon never was even close as big as Canon, Sony, Olymus, Panasonic and other companies (in total). It's all about staying in profit, not about market share. You can have 90% market share, but if you don't make money you will go bankrupt, while the small company with only 10% makes money and stays in business. Japanese business-thinking works different. It isn't all about growth. It's simple about making money. And if you have to shrink to make money, they won't hesitate to do so (as we see). So they will be a happy third place and continue to sell us great cameras with superb glass. That is my humble opinion to the last question in this video.
I feel like Canon is the Apple of the Photography world. A very well respected name, with years of knowledge and consumer binding. They both never really innovate and release things maybe 2 to 3 years later, but when they do it’s really refined and perfected.
When Sony had everything to gain and nothing to lose they risked a lot. Now that they have a large portion of the mirrorless market they're being a lot more conservative with their new tech and interestingly enough Canon is being more risky. As for the comments in this thread about Sony listening... have you tried to use their interface? I had a Sony RX100 and was blown away by the tech that was in it. It was far superior to the Canon that I had previously and yet... I never enjoyed using it. I was extremely impressed and at the same time disappointed in how inconsistent and unintuitive it was. DPreview talked about how bad the interface was. Then the RX100 II came out and the reviews said "The interface is still the same, we wish they'd address it". Then the RX100 III came out and the reviews said "They haven't changed the interface". They don't even bother mentioning how bad it is now, it's just part of using a Sony. I'd never read a manual to any Canon I ever owned nor did I need to. The manual for the RX100 was the first one that I ever read from cover to cover. Sony didn't listen for the 2nd gen, or the third, or the fourth or the... Sony doesn't listen. I decided then that I'd rather have a Canon or Fuji that was a generation or two behind Sony than have a Sony. I'd rather love using my camera than have the latest tech. The new Canon is an interesting beast though - they completely closed the autofocus gap with Sony in a matter of years. They released an 8K camera in a normal body (and unfortunately didn't over engineer it), they're bringing out autofocus that follows your eye and global shutters. Canon is the new Sony and Sony is the old Canon. Let's hope that Canon doesn't forget why people use Canons - they're enjoyable (except for the auto white balance snafu which used to be super easy on a Canon but is a mess now).
Sony made the Betamax - the technically superior video recorder with an inscrutable user interface that required consulting the user manual even for basic tasks like setting the time. Really - nothing has changed with Sony.
The betamax wasn't technically superior. VHS had better mechanism, better cassette, and features that people actually wanted. Picture quality wise they were pretty much on par, with VHS still edging beta at the mid-end of the format's life.
My elderly mother had a Sony TV a few years back. The remote control featured about 50 buttons, most of which has completely unintelligible icons. Eventually she switched to a far more user-friendly Panasonic.
I like the Lumix S1 for the money (and the S5 looks good). I need pro functionality but don't have the pro budget because I am an artist first and foremost. Canon was too expensive for full frame and same for the Sony a7siii. I had to make the jump from a 5DMKII and the S1 hit all my needs better than other cameras in that price range. I got a used a7sii but it felt like a toy and was beat up far beyond description so I returned it and got the S1. 96MP option makes it fantastic for photography and the 10bit video option is great for cinematography. Ergonomics matched my 5D perfectly and menus are better. Basically it has a Sony a7iii sensor in a canon 5D like body with a nice screen and features. The only weakness was autofocus but I solved that with a gimbal/ follow focus setup. I would have stayed Canon if my budget allowed it but I like performance for the dollar more than brand names. I enjoy the discussion but don't agree with the conclusion for my (fairly niche) use case.
I will stick to sony the poor man's mirrorless but still can kick ass with the quality and also the way they have allowed other brands to make lenses for cheap ... I can't afford GMaster I still have choices in Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, Viltrox ... I dumped nikon because I can't afford the glass for mirrorless... It is better to have a system which has affordable glass from other brands which work without much compromise in picture quality.. Is my α7iii perfect? No it is not the menu sucks the touch screen sucks and it is supposed to have shutter problems... But it gets my job done... I hope Sony really addresses all issues in α7iv
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 try getting a nikon mirrorless lens at the price of tamron and sigma for eg 24-70 f2.8 maybe an 85 or 50 1.4 ... U can't... and why will I pay for a system which has a flawed AF system? I don’t care for nostalgia... Nikon was could sadly they couldn’t beat their own D850 with Z7ii
@@SatyaS_Pradhanwow ..sticking with sony's lenses while they are more expensinve than nikon's but now nikon's too expensive compared to tamron's because the nikon's af is flawed ???... Are your brain scrambled or something? You dont shoot nikon and now fake complain about nikon z2??? ....you dont know what you talking about..
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 I hate debating with fanboys pretending to recieve payment from brands.... I am speaking about the amount of money spent and the return I receive... I spoke about tamron and sigma because they make quality glass... No one cares about what brand you use it is about what pictures you deliver... for me sony has done that stuff better... Their mount is an open mount... Sony GM lenses and Nikon lenses are priced almost at the same range in my country.... I have the flexibility for cheaper mirrorless options without any noticeable sacrifice in performance and quality..
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 i used to shoot nikon... I have shot d5600 d7200 d750 d850 and z6 what are you trying to teach a person who used to make his living by shooting daily events? I have shot with 5d bodies and 6d mk2 as well.... I am okay shooting with anything and because of the expeirence gained in real world workspace i chose Sony as my personal option... My decisions were based on my experience and not on TH-camrs reviews or some keyboard warriors' comments 😂
That's not what's usually meant by vertical integration. The movie set thing, maybe. But vertical integration would be Sony owning raw materials producers, suppliers of parts for their camera, the cameras themselves, distribution, and retailers like Best Buy (including I suppose supply to movie sets). What you called vertical integration, would generally be considered horizontal.
I used early generation Sony, their cameras were horrible to use & faulty as hell i got soo pissed of with them i drove from a shoot straight to the camera store & sold all my sony gear...
@@stephengatley8144 - First Gen products aren’t always good. Like they said in the video it’s where when the A9 and A7III were released Sony really took off.
I've always used Canon, and they always have done what I need and/or am capable of. Given I'm a hobbyist that doesn't make money from my photography, Canon meets my needs. I would imagine a majority of people who own DSLR or Mirrorless cameras are not that different from myself. What I'm trying to say is that I imagine there are a heck of a lot more hobbyists with a camera in hand than professionals and Canon caters to this demographic with a solid line of cheaper cameras. I have a full compliment, (four) of Canon lenses and a Canon Speed light to go with my DSLR. This cost me less than $2500. I'll be honest to say I haven't been in the market lately for a new camera, so I haven't shopped Sony, but I dread to think how expensive my next setup would be if I went with all Sony.
One advantage Sony has is 3rd party lenses, which Canon mirrorless doesn’t have yet. And when Canon allows 3rd party lenses for their RF line, how long will it take to fix the autofocus issues. I’m considering upgrading from my Canon 6D and I’ve been going back and forth between R6 and a7R4 or R3. Great discussion.
Tony is a real deal photographer & reviewer, but the best part Tony has Chelsea....this debate showing Chelsea is a good photograper, reviewer, model and sharp review on this. Chelsea's points are, make sense.... Both of you, awesome. God bless and keep doing edutainment like this.....
Track a fast moving subject, like a flying bird, and hold down the shutter. Your subject will gradually move out of the frame because the slight lag causes you to not track quickly enough. If you aren’t tracking fast motion it won’t be an issue for you, so that’s good.
@@chelseanorthrup8787 I shoot birds in flight specifically with the A9. The EVF has two resolution settings, high and low. Low setting has higher refresh rate than the high setting but in both I have no such issue with lag. It is a world of difference from dslr's.
Chelsea, what your Google searches aren't telling you is how many professionals, not amateurs, have switched from Canon to Sony. Amateurs will go with Canon, or even Nikon, over Sony because, overall, they're cheaper than Sony. Sony's native lenses are expensive compared to Canon and Nikon. However, Sony opened up their tech to 3rd party manufactures, so there are cheaper lens options out there for Sony. Canon and Sony are both good brands and they are going to leap frog each other in innovation. Nikon won't be as much of a player until they get their financials figured out or they end up fading away, like Olympus. As long as Canon and Sony keep duking it out for the top spot, the one who really wins is the consumer. What's good for one will eventually be good for the other. Keep doing videos like this that keep both companies on their toes. Thanks!
Imagine a camera manufacturer like Nikon would offer a camera with an almost lag free EVF in the price range of the Z6. Thats a way to declass the competition. Unfortunately that is not going to happen anytime soon. When it happens the competition will have it too.
The z6 II is actually almost lag free now. Watch Ricci’s test Z6 II lag time. You have to go into menu and turn ON View All In Continuous Mode, the select either 12 or 14 bit H continuous shooting. Selecting 14 bit raw at H high will get lag free EVF. And the upcoming Z9 is said to be black out free, lag free EVF in any mode.
Hi...you mentioned recently that all of your future videos would be shot using the Canon R6. Is this made using the R6? Love the quality of this video.
I was dhooting on canon 60d(2yrs), mk2(1yr), then mk3(1yr) and I was always disappointed on my works because some orange effects. I watched all comparison reviews sony vs nikon vs canon vs fuji vs panasonic. Then i switched... that was the best decision in my life! Now I'm on my new camera for 4 years. And I don't even need to upgrade, because I love my works. And believe me canon is not top 1 or top2. Maybe 3rd place. But definitelly not 1,2.
Maybe the same will happen in the industry as a whole, just on a larger time scale? "As a camera maker, Nikon just watched 10 years of this market, and left..." 🙃
If Sony priced the Alpha 1 at the same price as the Canon R5 I’d stay with Sony. In the end Canon got the RF mount right first time around. I’ll be returning to Canon (after 10 years with Sony).
I am a Canon user and plan to continue with Canon. At least they are (the higher end models) still made in the home country. Can't say the same for Sony and Nikon (all made overseas).
@@RMStudioImphal i don't understand how you can say that, when their mirrorless lens lineup is still incomplete. Agree that what's out so far is very good, but there's not that much out there. Time will have to tell.
@@aliendroneservices6621 I hadn't thought about that but you could be right. We don't know, there might be a technical innovation that suits DSLRs better, or people might decide they like the DSLR experience better, the way film is making a comeback.
@@zfisher yeah it's still incomplete but EF mount r still available without compromise in quality. This month I thought of switching to Sony but when I found out their lens' price I can't afford it so I stick to canonr cuz I can get cheaper EF with adapter without any quality compromise. Canon build better ecosystem than Sony. N lastly they r very clever. They already invest more in mirrorless. They actually have more powerful cam than Sony but they didn't lauch it at first. See their pattern see how they jump huge moves from r to r5.they r celver. That's why I am saying canon will be in top. I think they will lead the market.
Have they ever done a show talking about the spirit of Minolta and if it still lives in Sony? I used to be a major Minolta fan-boy back in the day - and was bummed when Sony bought them out. I remember rumors that Sony hired the Minolta techs, but don't know the entire story
Chelsea apparently omits that the R body, released in late 2018-Canon's answer to Sony at last-triggered widespread frustration for photographers instead of vloggers [04:25].
I’m shouting canon since 10 years and I can’t just say to people that overheating was fixed no it wasn’t fixed and it will never be in current R5 might be in R5 mark ii right now it is still terrible I’m stressed on every job 😓
I'm 32 and I have fond memories of Andre Agassi playing tennis. Where am I? Am I already in a retirement home? Is that where I've been going from 7-3 everyday? What is life?
Hmmm, did you hear the part where Chelsea and Tony laughed about the fact that Sony cameras overheated in 4K for years? Also, the Sony Cripple Wrench™ has put in terrible colour science and LCDs in all their mirrorless cameras to date. You had to buy an expensive Sony Cinema cam to get proper colours for a decade.
I just traded in all my Sony gear and went for a Canon R6. It’s way more user friendly, better color science. RF glass is amazing. Touch screen for video and flip out screen is very useful and fast
For a long time Sony seemed to charge a premium over Canon for lenses - and they were newer releases. The RF line up - and even a chunk of the EF line - now seem to match or surpass Sony pricing. I think we are seeing an effective full frame mirrorless duopoly where the kit is aimed at the professionals and keenest, wealthiest hobbyists and they charge accordingly. They can't make money from large sales volume, they need to make more from the remaining sales. A sales person said she no longer had any entry level cameras to sell when I bought a new RF lens.
Don’t lie. That big “N” in the background stands for “Nikon” :)
😂😂😂😂😂 tony was a nikon guy that's why there is that Big N
Is Nikon good for videographer ?
Hehe it stands for NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@Kokoa3921 it’s 👍🏼
Yeah, Tony, please explain that.
i enjoy my fuji. don’t miss canon at all. the best camera is the one you enjoy the most
Yeap, just purchased one of the best ultra wide angle lenses period, and it is not Canon or Sony :)
Yeah, I'm interested in a Fuji. I never owned a Canon but I did use one for a couple of days ...always been a Nikon owner...
@@cdkiss Very astute of you, I did not mention the Fujifilm 8-16mm f2.8; though, it looks like you figured it out :)
@@kenavery8144 which ultra wide lens did you get? I'm assuming its Fuji since it's not canon or sony 😁
@@francissosing 8-16mm f2.8, I also have the 10-24mm - have had that one since it was released, great lens; though, the 8-16mm is fantastic.
With this line of logic, Sears would still be the major shopping venue and GM would be dominating the world auto market. No dominance is ever permanent.
Tony points this out at the end when he says he wants to see more than just two main camera companies because the industry already saw the fall of Olympus and he knows what it's like being part of a monopoly.
with Sears, mom-n-pops were not threatened and everything was fine. sometimes I wonder if everything will always be fine but I agree the logic is suspect
@@Pepingco Pentax is still around, I hope OMD will still be around to in the years to come.
@@andreasthegreat8509 I never said Pentax is gone. I actually said there are two *'main'* camera companies (before it was Nikon/Canon and now it's Canon/Sony.)
'cept 'murica
One of the problems with this and many TH-cam camera discussions is that most people can't afford this stuff. I understand you're partly talking about innovation that sometimes trickles down to more affordable models, but those cameras are always very crippled.
Yes it's like two kids comparing their toys.
how much can u afford brah we recommend u something
That’s what I like about Olympus, lots of good futures and not overly expensive. The sensor is old now but it’s not bad in any way.
Canon’s rebel t7 (1500d)has the same sensor as say, a 80d, a camera almost thrice the price. And it’s image quality is nearly as good. Something like an m50 mk2 or a 200d mk2 (sl2) or a 800d (t7i) on par if not better than Sonys budget cameras
These cameras are for people who are professionals and do this for a living. They are not consumer cameras and that’s why they’re priced the way they are.
How about looking beyond the bleeding edge? Who's best at moving the latest and greatest feature set down to consumer level cameras? Realistically, that's the largest part of the market, and where most people live.
Sony has been pushing it’s marketing big time with their embassadors & sponsored shows. As far as focus tracking & sensors tech, it seems like they are leading the way. Nikon waited way to long to up their game in mirrorless & video. If they can up their focus tracking game at decent price range they have a chance. The smartest thing they did with mirrorless was the larger diameter lens mount. Nikon also need s to up their marketing if they really want to stay in the game. Hopefully they will come out with something special like the D500 & D850 we’re when they released. We the consumer need the competition in camera business.
Customer is No1. I used to use Canon before switching to Sony (start with A7r2. At that time many people still look down on Sony. And bcos of that, I managed to resell my canon gear at good price. Thank u- Canon. LOL). The main reason is I donnot like the way Canon treat customers. They were sleeping with their victory, they treat customer like a fool. They were too stuborn and conservative. Only when Sony joins the race, we start seeing Canon wake up. As the result, now both Canon and Sony users are enjoying new tech. Now I'm happy with Sony A7iii, A1. One day I may switch back to Canon if they serve my need. So customer is No1.
BTW, Tony, I think it is time for you to take some breaks to think abt your content direction if u dont want to see people start leaving your channel.
4::50 ‘i don’t have to always wait for the next firmware update’
Meanwhile r5 shooter currently waiting for the dual recording firmware after waiting for the clog 3 firmware after waiting for the overheating firmware…
This shows how Canon listens to their customers! No other company has offered firmware improvements like Canon has. When you buy a camera from other companies, you are usually stuck with the features until a new camera is released. If you bought an R5 last year wanting dual recording, well, it didn't have it and you knew that so only your fault. Anything after after a camera is released is only a bonus (Canon NEVER said it would offer dual recording, EVER, yet they are giving it via firmware after only 1 year. Impressive).
@@77dris see Panasonic…three years later still releasing updates to G9
@@77dris Lol. Canon is known for barely providing any updates. Fujifilm, Panasonic, Blackmagic lead in that regard. Sony is middle of the road and Canon way behind. With the R5/R6 debacles, they are almost forced to provide updates lately to battle the negative press they got.
@@BalaKrishna-bq5iz Canon goes thru rigorous testing and are made in Japan hence no need for updates and why the R5 is still #1 in sales.
@@77dris yes yes. I think canon is seeing the success of fujifilm’s firmware bumps and doing the same
R5 still overheats. I don’t own it but DPreview used it in their latest video and they couldn’t complete their video. It just shut off on them.
Only in 8K, or in 4K downsampling, the rest of the modes don’t overheat and can be used any time.
As an R5 user; you have to look and see that the cinema line is super 35 sensor, so the R5 in crop mode can pump out high quality 4K long all day. Sure limitations in FF but use it sparingly.
Very good point, I also watched that DPreview video. 8K in the Canon R5 is a novelty feature, not useable in a professional context. But as a photo camera, allot of people online report being very happy with it.
While that video was hilarious it was not the experience that I have had with my R5 or R6. I have never seen the overheat signal on either while filming. I recently saw a video on TH-cam that may explain why. I use a Ninja V and turn the evf and backscreen off while foiling. It lets me record until the battery dies
@@pianofinger I just saw that video. I might invest in a Ninja, I was reluctant due to the lack of a full HDMI
"I don't have to wait for the next firmware update" yeah thanks god you don't need that with canon or you'll probably change your camera first considering they're doing a firmware update once every couple of years at best..
I'm shooting canon, I love my 1DXII, I plan to buy the R5 or R3 depending on the specs, I LOVE the glasses they have, but honestly I'm rooting for sony because thanks to sony canon has to get out of their comfort zone, stop dumbing down their gear like they always do, and actually update their firmwares once in a while because it starts showing that they don't have any follow through on their released gear when you see what sony does..
Canon will probably stay number 1, but sony is my number one even though I don't own any of their gears
Honestly I was a lifelong canon shooter and when I wanted to upgrade, canon didn’t have a serious mirrorless contender, so I left for the Sony a9.
It annoyed me how every point Chelsea made about the Sony (minus the menus which are terrible.) isn’t applicable to today. The a9 tracks and shoots amazingly through updates. On top of that the buffer isn’t a problem as absolutely nobody is holding the shutter down for a minute straight, where that would then become an issue.
My R5 has had 2 firmware upgrades already. The next one is expected in a month or two
@@sallymas625 correct 👍
Canon & Nikon always dumb down their gear so you have to spend more to get the features & it bitt them in the ass! (-or you could look at it as why pay more for options you probably might not use)Once you get past the entry camera market for snapshot shooters & beginners, it should be all in as far as features go. As someone who shoots wildlife, I would go for the A1 & appropriate lenses if my wallet had more room in it.
@@thomastuorto9929 correct
Omg Chelsea’s comments are the best part of these videos! She really pulls the daggers out 😆 “how do you enjoy using your Sony phone?” ROFL.
I confess I converted from Sony A7RIV and several GM lenses to Canon R5 and their L glass and yeahhhh Canon has it figured out. Canon is an imaging company; Sony is an electronics company. You can see right there in that simple statement where they put their priorities. I switched to canon because I saw the writing on the wall when Sony only makes f/1.2 GM glass as a direct response to hemorrhaging users to Canon due to a lack of good glass. Sony was forced to open up lens manufacturing on their mount because they cannot compete with Canons lens innovation. They can only dump all of their money into sensors and processors and hope that it is enough to compete.
But anybody that has been in a photography business very long knows that when you buy a camera, you are not really buying the camera. You are buying into the lens system. Because that is where most of the money goes. I couldn’t stay with the company that pins their hopes on Sigma continuing to bail out their substandard glass.
I respect Tony for providing so many positive points to Sony, and realize that he has to remain impartial so that you guys don’t alienate part of your subscriber base. It’s OK Tony, we know you secretly like Canon more as well. 🤣
I agree that when you buy a camera, you re actually choosing a lens system - given when their body performs similarity, or without a major gap between them. But when Canon decided to keep their 1080p in 5D for almost 10 years in a row without changing much, and the only time when they decided to stuff 4K in their camera body was 2 years after Sony pushed out a7R2 and they still manage to fock up that feature by recording XXL extra large uncompressed footage files, you know lens won’t save you. I’m glad they are back in the ring again, but they were seriously knocked out for a good 4-5 years in the game.
What evidence is there that Sony was "hemorrhaging users to Canon due to a lack of good glass?" How could Sony have been losing customers while simultaneously gaining market share? What evidence is there that Sony was "forced to open up lens manufacturing on their mount because they cannot compete with Canons lens innovation?" You say, " I couldn’t stay with the company that pins their hopes on Sigma continuing to bail out their substandard glass." Who is saying Sony glass is substandard? I have not read that anywhere, and when I look at objective lens tests from various sources, Sony glass tests as well as competing glass.
I am not knocking Canon; they make good/great products. But it seems to me you are making up stuff in your head in order to justify your decision to switch.
I don’t care who is #1. Make some gear that I can use and that meets my needs and I’ll buy it. Brand loyalty is dumb.
Not in cameras if u don't want to change out all your lenses
@@giaus_harty that probably mattered more in the days when the only lenses worth having were prime and even a keen amateur needed at least 4 lenses (plus extension tubes etc)
The problem with all the new camera and lense no mater the brand including Pentax and Fuji. the average person that are really advanced in there photography but lead average middle class lives.
People can never afford it. To the average person that can use that gear its like buying a car. All of it is Just way to expensive .
Canon would be taking us for granted like Adobe do if it weren't for Sony. Right now, Canon is making excellent mirrorless cameras, but they wouldn't be doing that if Sony didn't force them too.
#1 to me is the camera I use... using a Nikon D850.. no need for me personally to switch.
King of kings till date... 💜
That thing is a beast.
Had a D800, fantastic camera
Love the d850 still as well.
I don't care which no. they are, but all Canon fan boys should thanks Sony that Canon release their features that they keep crippling for the next several years.
Until Sony becomes a Canon and starts crippling their cameras to milk Sony fanboys.
@@jessejayphotography Sony was the sole manufacturer of XQD cards, now name how many Sony csmeras used XQD cards and how many made users suffer buffering?
@@jessejayphotography Sony already did with the APS-C line up..... If Sigma and Tamron are not bringing good lens
In 2013, I went from Canon to Leica for my photos. Then later I bought a A73 for 4K video. Even though I technically "Switched" brands, I still kept all of my Canon glass bodies and accessories knowing full well that I was waiting for canons mirrorless offerings to improve. I have spent a good portion of my career waiting and waiting but I will still wait until I see something a little better than the R5. Just a little. There is just too much about the Sony camera system that I just never use as a photographer or a film maker.
For now, it's my Leica and my Sony until canon convinces me to buy an adaptor.
I had been a lifelong Canon user. Never had another camera and it was so hard to switch (brand loyalty). After months of searching, I bought a Sony a7siii with a Sigma 24-70 DG DN ART f2.8 to shoot music videos. I could not use an R5 or R6 because of overheating and time limitations. The Sony camera produces remarkable footage and has never overheated. To be honest, I was holding out for months with the hope that Canon would come out with an R7 or some camera that was comparable (so I could use my lenses). I would have bought it!
They have come out with the r3 now!
I shoot predominantly Canon, and apart from the investment that I have in all that gear, I much prefer the Canon interface over Sony's - I find it a nightmare of disjointed menus. That said, I went to Sony for the camera I carry when I want just one smaller 'one-camera-does-it-all' and found it in the Sony RX-10MkIV bridge camera. The optics are brilliant and so is the sensor and processing: however, I found the interface clumsy and the ability to customize buttons limited. Still, reverting to basic controls, it does a better job at its role than the equivalent Canon superzoom bridge cameras such as the PowerShot G3X.
I originally purchased that, but was frustrated by the lack of a built-in EVF and the add-on unit was clunky, fragile and expensive. The Sony integrated EVF left it for dead.
I also have a couple of Nikon cameras that I really like using - and I observe that Nikon are hitting a sweet spot with the introduction of their retro-style Nikon Zfc model - although I have hopes they will create a FF version, a wish that I observe has been frequently expressed by others.
Nikon for ever!!!!!! holding on for the z9 and Nikon's return to the top.. .................... What? A man can dream :-)
Hope Nikon will be allright. July 2021 news - Nikon closes factories in Japan, open in Taiwan, lost about 300 mln usd...
Yeah, my first Nikon was a D80 in the early 2000s. Hate to say but I think they're done..😫
@@wl5609 I do not think they are done, but hurting yes. They are making moves to save money, but what worries me is that even products that customers want like the new Z lens are just not available.. It is life to not sell products that no one wants, but when a lot people want what your selling and you cannot produce the product.. That is just bad business and this practice happened long before covid.. Back with the D850 and the 500PF lens..
I’m with you man!
Also. Just be honest with yourself a bit. Canon release lenses inexpensive like 800mm because they don’t allow other companies to have their auto focus algorithm. Unlike Sony that sigma tamron viltrox meiki …etc have access to . That’s a fact . Sony have more option and selections when it comes to lenses
We definitely need all three companies to stay in the business otherwise we won't see the innovation and improvements.
Well even with all 3 of them existing now it seems like profiting will still be the ultimate goals for every single one of them. Innovation is very slow now (with the lenses), prices keep rising, limitations are still many. I loved Sony, very much. Not so much now when the truth hits.
As a lifelong 60-something Canon user (never owned anything but Canon, ever since my first beloved AE-1), I say that Tony gets NO POINTS for his retirement home comment. And, yes, I do remember the Agassi commercials from the '80s.
I remember those too!!
He needs to get off my law, dagnabbit!
Your work is GREAT!
As a fellow 'living fossil' I must admit I have to smile at ageism. Past a certain number one gets demeaned and treated like one has dementia! I never experienced the Agassi commercials as I live in NZ and it has, along with most of the world, a different naming convention, so we don't have rebels with confusing suffixes, we just use numbering systems like 700D, 750D etc.
the sharapova commercials were better lol
I agree with this. As a currnet Sony a7s III shooter, Sony does improve the ergonomics and menu system with each camera system and I like that. I used to shoot with Canon a few years ago, so I love both companies and not biased towards one. When I do hold a Canon R5 or R6, it does feel really great in the hands, I love the image reproduction on the rear display more, and I do like that you can touch to change your settings and scroll through video. If Sony can improve these things, I feel like it can help them that much more. If Canon can fix a few issues, like custom settings for video, overheating, & etc, it will with them that much more. All and all, both manufactures are doing a good job so far and I'm excited with future iterations of their cameras.
Not only do I remember the Agassi commercials, but I still have my film Rebel . . . and guess what . . . it still works! As does my Rebel XTi and original 7d. That's another reason why Canon will always be #1, they may not always be the first to market, but their stuff works, works well, and lasts forever.
I remember when Chelsea was all about Canon, then Nikon, then Sony, now Canon!
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Fun! Chelsa have a good knowledge about photography and a long experience
True, but technology, and the abundance of cameras being released, I can understand switching brands several times before settling into one.
Things are always changing... if you have the money, why not try the newest in tech. :)
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I've had a love / hate relationship with Canon. I switched to Lumix GH5 for video and G9 for photos. I've been wanting to find a reason to go back to Canon, but I'm not confident yet that Canon will continue to deliver leading edge features. I hate the fact that Canon always leads from behind vs. delivering the best in breed features out of the gate.
One point that was missing: Third-party lenses (Tamron, Sigma, Samyang, TTArtisan) seem to prefer Sony. There are much more such new lenses for Sony. For example the new Tamron 17-70 was made first for Sony. As I know there is no similar lens for Sony. As there are more affordable, good lenses for Sony not only professionals but also "normal" people can buy affordable camera staff
Sony has the right idea with embracing an open lens mount, that's for sure. Canikon need to open up their protocols.
@@ChristopherGoetting What's in it for them ? Why would they want to reduce their own lens sales which are very profitable ?
@@noelchignell1048 because Canikon lenses are still going to be the best option with rare exception within their ecosystem. I say that recognizing that the divide is much smaller than it used to be, but even looking at Sony's model it doesn't appear that Sony is suffering from poor lens sales. It lets these manufacturers focus on making truly exceptional lenses for professionals where the margins are anyhow.
Focus mate, focus. If you dont nail focus in the heat of battle, your shot is toast, and you are less likely to nail focus with third party lenses.
I shoot birds in flight, and I would not even consider using a Tamron or Sigma on my R5. In fact, the worse lens I ever bought was a Sigma.
Also, the lens I received yesterday is TTartisan 11mm f2.8 - fully manual lens, for astro use. Works great on the R5.
Infact, 50yr old Canon FD mount glass can be used with the R5. This means hundreds of vintage lenses can be used on the R5. Vintage glass is very popular with commercial film makers. Every day I see a big $$ commercial shat with vintage glass usually late in the day, with sun flare.
@@ChristopherGoetting Yes which is why I only buy Canon lenses
Forget the cameras, I love those chairs and the dog is off the scale, so cute
I and my buddy are photo enthusiast (not pros). He's been a Canon shooter from the beginning. Has 3 or 4 bodies and many lenses, flashes, triggers. A few years back he's taking a trip with his family to California/Yosemite. 3 days before the trip he asked my opinion about a compact camera for his wife. I showed him a couple videos on TH-cam for A6000, He ordered a 2nd hand one that night for $500. Guess what, for the whole trip the Canons came out of the luggage once. 90% of the photos taken were on the Sony A6000. He and his wife actually fought over for using that camera. To this day, he uses the Sony over 99% of the time. Even for occasional pay gigs when he hauls out his Canon gears, the Sony is always in his pocket. Fact is most people don't need full frame with 30+ mps. If you can't take great pictures with 24mp APSC, the limitation is you, not the gear.
Nikon user. Every time I use a Canon, I go in with an open mind. But they just disappoint me at every turn.
1. The position and angle of the two control dials just seems terribly unergonomic
2. Likewise, the on off switch just seems to be in such a bad position
3. After I take a photo with a Nikon, I can zoom in immediately. With Canon, I have to stop, go into the play menu and open the photo again, and only then can I zoom.
4. Canons just seem to be loading and buffering all the time. Take a few consecutive shots and the whole camera locks up. With Nikon, you always remain in control 100% of the time. It’s immediately responsive.
There are many other subtle things like this, but Canon just seems to have so many things that make a bad user experience, things that aren’t mentioned in specs or reviews.
Same for Sony, has good glass options, nice features but bad implantation and user experience.
This is a very interesting debate, thank you for posting a video about it. I’ve had thoughts about switching to Canon here & there, but I’ve always loved Sony product. I was actually visiting Japan and ran into a who worked for Sony at a coffee shop. He wasn’t too high up on the ladder, but he wasn’t a low-level employee either. He told me there will be some amazing features coming out in the next couple years. He wouldn’t get too specific, of course, but he had that look in his eye like he dying to give a secrete away! Lol.
Anyways, one thing worth mentioning is that when you are shooting in “HI+” drive mode with the A7III (not sure about the other models) the motion tracking and autofocus freeze in their position (lock) and don’t re-autofocus for a moving subject. If you switch the drive mode to “HI” it will continue to autofocus as the subject moves. So, the whole thing “10fps” is kind of pointless unless you are using it on still objects, and as Chelsea said, that’s pointless. Please correct me if I’m wrong on this or maybe one of the updates has fixed it. I actually turn of the auto-image review so I can shoot faster, but the screen blackout and not being able to change settings in the most irritating thing. If Sony fixed those three things I wouldn’t have much to complain about.
I always appreciate your content, it’s legit and very informative! I haven’t found any other channels out there like you two! Thank you, keep them coming, please!
Young kids starting in photography usually buy Sony apsc cameras, the number one reason is due to sony's video features and eye auto focus etc. In the future those same photographers will more than likely buy Sony full frame. Which ever way you look at it, Sony is increasing market share in a market which is shrinking. Thats a win.......
I just got back from Murrells Inlet, South Carolina. It's mostly a retirement community. Anyway, I noticed that every camera, other than my Fujifilm, was a Canon! I was wondering what this was about. Tony's comments about older generations having a fondness for Canon makes sense. It'd be fun to look at more (and actually researched) camera own demography.
Whenever Sony is mentioned a ghostly ‘From the Mind of Minolta’ whisperingly echoes in the background..
I stick black 'minolta' stickers all my a7R4 bodies over the nameplate im so embarassed by the Sony brand. Doesnt half confuse others at meet ups..
And Konica ;)
You folks miss a key point - the most innovative camera isn't necessarily the best choice for every photographer. If you are heavily invested in Nikon glass should you switch to Canon because they have cameras with superior autofocus? Perhaps it would be better to wait and see how well the Z9 performs which will incorporate real time tracking and AI. Personally, my D850 is very adequate for most of my needs with the possible exception of BIF.
Chelsea, please get up early in the morning and go photograph some 4 legged creatures with that f/11. It's very useful for BIF, but is not fast enough to produce high grade images in shade during the early morning hours. In this situation I’m pressed for adequate light using with my 500 mm f/5.6. I don't want to see someone who has a limited budget purchase this lens and be disappointed.
Screw Canon, I think it was 2012 when my friend bought the just released Olympus OMD EM5, at the time I was using a Nikon D80. my friend let me borrow his new em5 for a day. and I was blown away by it. I thought it was the future of cameras, and it made my D80 feel like a dinosaur. I could not believe that I could see my exposure while I adjusted my settings. and I loved the touch screen and touch focus and shoot feature. and I instantly thought that this camera was the future. I didn't even know at the time that it was mirrorless. and at that time I wanted to go full frame. but there was no mirrorless full frame. and I was intimidated by the Nikon D800 36mp. so I bought a Canon 5Dlll. but even on the day I bought the camera, I felt like I was buying old technology. so I became someone who started praising mirrorless before any other person was doing it. hoping that Canon or Nikon was going to come out with a mirrorless full frame camera like the Olympus em5. but it was Sony who came out with it. but the performance wasn't great. so I waited and waited and waited for Canon and Nikon to come out with one. and it never happened. when the 5D4 came out I refused to buy it because I new my next camera had to be mirrorless. even tho countless people argued with me that DSLR's would always be King. including allot of youtube influencers. then finally when the Sony A7r lll came out I new it was time to get the camera that I always wanted when I bought the 5Dlll so many years earlier. and when I bought the A7r lll I was pissed off at Canon and Nikon for making me move to Sony because they denied that mirrorless technology was better for so many years. so I hate Canon and Nikon for that. as far as I am concerned they don't deserve my business. Sony innovated and gave me what I wanted while Nikon and Canon denied mirrorless. so FU to Canon and Nikon. and Canon and Nikon still won't give 3rd party lens manufacturers the formula for there glass. so all third party glass has to be reverse engineered. but Sony works with 3rd party manufacturers witch is why there are so many affordable lens options from Samyang, Tamron and Sigma for Sony cameras. Canon also intentionally cripples their gear to protect the other lineups. so screw Canon. and as far as Canon glass goes. the 28/70 f2 I would never buy it because its huge and heavy. I would much rather have some small and light f1.8 primes. and their 50 f1.2 is allot bigger and heavier then Sony's GM f1.2. and Canons 85 f1.2 is a huge and heavy monster. so Canon might make some really nice glass. but I don't want big and heavy monster glass. I love glass like the Sony 35/55/85/135 f1.8. the only new lens I like of Canons is the small 70/200 L. the other glass you can keep. I'm not interested. so to sum it up. just because Canon is catching up, doesn't mean they deserve my business. they forced me to switch brands. so why should i give them my business again.
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Olympus is really good, I got the Em1 mark2 and I love it.
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Love Olympus. Great system.
I bought the original E-M5 when it came out and instantly knew this (mirrorless) was the future. The biggest problem with mirrorless was battery life. They could only take up to 1/3 the amount of shots as DSLRs. So they were viewed as toys for a long time (no matter how good they were) and some still are.
Nice read, thank you.
It doesn't matter who is #1. What matters is to use a system you trust and that works for you. All these cameras are amazing and they all offer something a little different. We're spoiled for choices.
We use all of the brands and like them all but sometimes it’s fun to debate and speculate.
@@chelseanorthrup8787 🤘🏼
Tony lost this argument the second he disrespected the mullet!
For photos with meaning and emotion I have my Canon 1D IV, 5D classic, Elan 7NE, A1, Canonet 28, for more modern high resolution and dynamic range photos I have a Sony A7R II.
Tony has a point about Sony reaching to young audience, first to contact influencers and taking them serious.
Long ago in a world without digital cameras I shot with a Canon AE-1 (but I am not in a retirement home Tony!). In the early 1990's I was the first grad student at my university to use a digital camera. It was a Nikon 995. It was great! for a time. Things started to change and I fell out of photography. About 20 years later I came back into photography and video for my research and teaching. I tried a few systems and just like the Canon feel and operation of their cameras. Had a SL2, then a 80D, a 5D iv and now a RP, R6, R5 and a mix of EF L and RF L and non L glass. Love it all! I feel bad about Nikon's state of things and like to see competition, but it all just comes down to what the user wants. The I see other shooters using a Nikon and Sony etc. I just ask "how is that work for you?" As long as people are being creative...
The last canon I used was the AE1 not used a canon since. Iv been working with nikon ever since. Iv been a photographer since 1965 ill never use canon again.
Canon was forced to innovate. Sony has continued to innovate. I dont doubt canon's prowess. But sony is more deeprooted in semiconductor, sensor tech, mobile tech, display and visual processors.
A1 is sony's showcase of what they can offer. Canon still needs to catchup.
Not really. The R5 offers nearly the same Power much cheaper, and the R3 will announce soon
@@airb1976 R3 specs are unknown... they are targeting 30 frames on alleged 30mp sensor... its like saying our future product cant match A1, thats the reason they are calling it R3 and not R1 as they dont R1 branding until they can match A1. I like canon, i own canon and sony both, but i would bet on sony as a future investment for my system.
Canon has a huge bank of patents they are just sitting on, they never release new tech until they make a huge profit off the old tech.
@@sexysilversurfer the last company that sat on huge bank of patents was nokia. They controlled nearly 70% of communication patents. Patent does not ensure survival. Revenue and margin does.
@@pixelirk the R3/R1 rebranding is the dumbest Argument from Sony fanbois which I saw in recent Times. The R3 has an unique feature of modern cameras - Initial start eye controlled AF. This technique isnt new because Canon and Nikon (I guess) had this in the 90's in one specific Film camera. Canons model was called EOS 3, which was Loved by Tech Junkies. Now 23 years later Canon is releasing a successor with this eye controlled AF and they called this camera (guess what?) the EOS R3.
I speak as one who uses cameras from every company. I've never felt that Canon cameras were all that great, but they will remain for a long time simply because they are huge and have a ton of money. Their big forte is reliability and simplicity of use. IQ is mostly middle of the road and when they have really good lenses, they are costly, heavy, and big. They made two excellent moves that has kept people coming back for more: EOS and dual pixel. The main reason I wont buy too many of their products is because they change systems whenever they want and offer very little backward compatibility. 1959-R mount, 1964-FL mount, 1971-FD mount, 1987-EF mount, 2003-EF-s mount, 2012-EF-M mount, 2018-EOS-R mount. So a consumer is forced to dump everything and start over a lot. Great way to make a lot of money!
and then there's NIKON who's name is rarely mentioned... those Z camera's and Glass are really good..
Tony and noone else would claim that Z would be "bad". I think Z is just running behind a little (e.g. eye AF), and that is already a big problem nowadays, in a shrinking market's stiff competition.
Also, Z glass is certainly "good", but it is too nichy (partly because it is too expensive for most applications and use cases). They play in a "wanna be Zeiss" niche. Nothing wrong with Zeiss neither, but it is a niche too small for someone like Nikon to thrive longer term.
10 Years in behind of Sony
@@tubularificationed nikon z lenses are way cheaper than canons rf tho
Nikon S lenses are THE best.
@@tennislehrer1 Nikon is playing there own drums and moving to their own beat... It's these consumers who are trapping themselves... Eye AF isn't for everything. When you have $30k plus in camera gear and it's solving your problems daily you keep moving. I don't look at my gear and think I cannot get my work done. Oh and that FTZ adapter is pure gold. with the focus peaking ever lens I own is in play in the Z system... All of it...
I think that we need both very much. They push each other to compete for our money. They all have a camera that will work for you just pic one you like the most and you won’t regret it you’ll be a proud camera owner.
But also do your research on which one works best for what you want.
Team SONY.
Maybe some of the Google requests were „where can I sell all my canon gear“. I think this was the most common request with the first generation of the mirrorless cameras EOS R and RP.
Competition, more competition! It always good for the consumer.
I went from shooting with a phone to using a camera when the Sony a73 came out and I really enjoyed using it and still like it. I also tried the 7D Mark II and the d500 for wildlife but I never went with the A9 or a7r bodies. Now the Canon R6 has pulled me back to Cannon with its Superior animal eye autofocus and high ISO handling. I'm very happy with both systems right now but eventually I made go completely 2 Canon.
In late 2018, when Canon's mirrorless answer was the R, I switched to Sony. I hope that Sony stays with internal zoom, and lets the "compact" 70-200mm f/2.8 remain Canon's [12:20].
Fascinating discussion. Seemed very natural and unrehearsed but obviously you prepared really well in advance. Keep up the great work!!
4:25 Panasonic GX85 had IBIS and 4K in a sub-$1000 camera long before Sony ever did.
But Match match match match match match match smaller sensor ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@maortheyoungcameraguy175 It's really not that big of a difference between MFT and APS-C...
@@maortheyoungcameraguy175 don't underrate M43, its still a capable sensor size
Tony's observation about the future of Olympus rings true. For decades I always had whatever was the current Olympus flagship camera (usually more than one body) and its top of the line lenses from fisheye to 300mm. When the consumer camera division was spun off, that was a sign that the brand would begin to decline. I sold off all my Olympus gear (there were three bodies and eight top of the line lenses) and went back to Canon (once having been an F-1 system owner). The replacement was Canon's EOS R5 and five of its top-of-the-line lenses. The only things I miss are Olympus's light weight and drop-dead build quality (though Canon's build is fine, too).
Although I love my Canon equipment, I have been frustrated having bought and received an R6 a couple months ago while the lens mount adapter and the RF 100-500mm lens is on indefinite backorder. Makes my R6 nothing more than an expensive, albeit stylish, doorstop.
These items are abundant in Australia
Currently Canon lack enough affordable RF lenses for most hobbyist and amateurs, as well as lack of third party supports. It'll be a long journey to catchup to Sony e mount in that regard though.
You guys had me laughing...Great for Sony and great for Canon....and I'm waiting for that Sony A7 lV...
Im waiting for it too bro ☺️
I have the a7ii lacking eye autofocus Very much looking forward to a7iv
canon is my nr1 because I can import my own picture style profiles with adjusted curves, colors and all.. I can replicate any look of any camera with canon picture style editor.
You cannot argue with your wife. No matter what, Wife is always right! 😅😂 Canon ftw!
Canon calculators are widely used in Malaysia. You will find one in every office here. It is also the choice of non scientific calculator brand among students and grocery shops
Nikon can deal with third place. They are downsizing the company to be back in profit (because they know they can't compete with such a massive company as Sony and all the money they can put into image marketing, here on TH-cam, other socialmedia and reviews). And that is the best move, because the market will continue to shrink.
I'm not worried at all, about Nikon. Let's hope we can talk about the big three in the future.
Nikon never was even close as big as Canon, Sony, Olymus, Panasonic and other companies (in total). It's all about staying in profit, not about market share. You can have 90% market share, but if you don't make money you will go bankrupt, while the small company with only 10% makes money and stays in business.
Japanese business-thinking works different. It isn't all about growth. It's simple about making money. And if you have to shrink to make money, they won't hesitate to do so (as we see).
So they will be a happy third place and continue to sell us great cameras with superb glass.
That is my humble opinion to the last question in this video.
I feel like Canon is the Apple of the Photography world. A very well respected name, with years of knowledge and consumer binding. They both never really innovate and release things maybe 2 to 3 years later, but when they do it’s really refined and perfected.
"Why we're Canon fanboys" would have been a better title
its good to have reasons
They were Nikon shooters when I started watching them. They obviously saw the light and went to Canon 😉
When Sony had everything to gain and nothing to lose they risked a lot. Now that they have a large portion of the mirrorless market they're being a lot more conservative with their new tech and interestingly enough Canon is being more risky.
As for the comments in this thread about Sony listening... have you tried to use their interface? I had a Sony RX100 and was blown away by the tech that was in it. It was far superior to the Canon that I had previously and yet... I never enjoyed using it. I was extremely impressed and at the same time disappointed in how inconsistent and unintuitive it was. DPreview talked about how bad the interface was. Then the RX100 II came out and the reviews said "The interface is still the same, we wish they'd address it". Then the RX100 III came out and the reviews said "They haven't changed the interface". They don't even bother mentioning how bad it is now, it's just part of using a Sony. I'd never read a manual to any Canon I ever owned nor did I need to. The manual for the RX100 was the first one that I ever read from cover to cover. Sony didn't listen for the 2nd gen, or the third, or the fourth or the... Sony doesn't listen.
I decided then that I'd rather have a Canon or Fuji that was a generation or two behind Sony than have a Sony. I'd rather love using my camera than have the latest tech.
The new Canon is an interesting beast though - they completely closed the autofocus gap with Sony in a matter of years. They released an 8K camera in a normal body (and unfortunately didn't over engineer it), they're bringing out autofocus that follows your eye and global shutters. Canon is the new Sony and Sony is the old Canon. Let's hope that Canon doesn't forget why people use Canons - they're enjoyable (except for the auto white balance snafu which used to be super easy on a Canon but is a mess now).
Sony made the Betamax - the technically superior video recorder with an inscrutable user interface that required consulting the user manual even for basic tasks like setting the time. Really - nothing has changed with Sony.
Sony has now a new menu for their next cameras 😉
The betamax wasn't technically superior. VHS had better mechanism, better cassette, and features that people actually wanted. Picture quality wise they were pretty much on par, with VHS still edging beta at the mid-end of the format's life.
My elderly mother had a Sony TV a few years back. The remote control featured about 50 buttons, most of which has completely unintelligible icons. Eventually she switched to a far more user-friendly Panasonic.
I like the Lumix S1 for the money (and the S5 looks good). I need pro functionality but don't have the pro budget because I am an artist first and foremost. Canon was too expensive for full frame and same for the Sony a7siii. I had to make the jump from a 5DMKII and the S1 hit all my needs better than other cameras in that price range. I got a used a7sii but it felt like a toy and was beat up far beyond description so I returned it and got the S1. 96MP option makes it fantastic for photography and the 10bit video option is great for cinematography. Ergonomics matched my 5D perfectly and menus are better. Basically it has a Sony a7iii sensor in a canon 5D like body with a nice screen and features. The only weakness was autofocus but I solved that with a gimbal/ follow focus setup. I would have stayed Canon if my budget allowed it but I like performance for the dollar more than brand names. I enjoy the discussion but don't agree with the conclusion for my (fairly niche) use case.
I will stick to sony the poor man's mirrorless but still can kick ass with the quality and also the way they have allowed other brands to make lenses for cheap ... I can't afford GMaster I still have choices in Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, Viltrox ... I dumped nikon because I can't afford the glass for mirrorless... It is better to have a system which has affordable glass from other brands which work without much compromise in picture quality..
Is my α7iii perfect? No it is not the menu sucks the touch screen sucks and it is supposed to have shutter problems... But it gets my job done... I hope Sony really addresses all issues in α7iv
Sony is poorman'z mirrorless?...why you must be rich.....sony's mirrorless and lenzes are very expensive!!!...more expensive than Nikon...
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 try getting a nikon mirrorless lens at the price of tamron and sigma for eg 24-70 f2.8 maybe an 85 or 50 1.4 ... U can't... and why will I pay for a system which has a flawed AF system? I don’t care for nostalgia... Nikon was could sadly they couldn’t beat their own D850 with Z7ii
@@SatyaS_Pradhanwow ..sticking with sony's lenses while they are more expensinve than nikon's but now nikon's too expensive compared to tamron's because the nikon's af is flawed ???... Are your brain scrambled or something?
You dont shoot nikon and now fake complain about nikon z2??? ....you dont know what you talking about..
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 I hate debating with fanboys pretending to recieve payment from brands.... I am speaking about the amount of money spent and the return I receive... I spoke about tamron and sigma because they make quality glass... No one cares about what brand you use it is about what pictures you deliver... for me sony has done that stuff better... Their mount is an open mount... Sony GM lenses and Nikon lenses are priced almost at the same range in my country....
I have the flexibility for cheaper mirrorless options without any noticeable sacrifice in performance and quality..
@@utubgootersbgsat5730 i used to shoot nikon... I have shot d5600 d7200 d750 d850 and z6 what are you trying to teach a person who used to make his living by shooting daily events?
I have shot with 5d bodies and 6d mk2 as well.... I am okay shooting with anything and because of the expeirence gained in real world workspace i chose Sony as my personal option... My decisions were based on my experience and not on TH-camrs reviews or some keyboard warriors' comments 😂
That's not what's usually meant by vertical integration. The movie set thing, maybe. But vertical integration would be Sony owning raw materials producers, suppliers of parts for their camera, the cameras themselves, distribution, and retailers like Best Buy (including I suppose supply to movie sets). What you called vertical integration, would generally be considered horizontal.
Both Canon and Nikon wouldn’t be as good as they are in their own way if it weren’t for Sony.
I used early generation Sony, their cameras were horrible to use & faulty as hell i got soo pissed of with them i drove from a shoot straight to the camera store & sold all my sony gear...
@@stephengatley8144 - First Gen products aren’t always good. Like they said in the video it’s where when the A9 and A7III were released Sony really took off.
Wethere sony is or isnt number 1 im still with pentax. Why... well its my personal taste and i love my K-50.
The Zune was amazing, Tony!
I've always used Canon, and they always have done what I need and/or am capable of. Given I'm a hobbyist that doesn't make money from my photography, Canon meets my needs. I would imagine a majority of people who own DSLR or Mirrorless cameras are not that different from myself. What I'm trying to say is that I imagine there are a heck of a lot more hobbyists with a camera in hand than professionals and Canon caters to this demographic with a solid line of cheaper cameras. I have a full compliment, (four) of Canon lenses and a Canon Speed light to go with my DSLR. This cost me less than $2500. I'll be honest to say I haven't been in the market lately for a new camera, so I haven't shopped Sony, but I dread to think how expensive my next setup would be if I went with all Sony.
I use both Canon and Sony, I believe the key problem for Sony to beat Canon is to dedicate to ergonomics design, and menu system more friendly.
One advantage Sony has is 3rd party lenses, which Canon mirrorless doesn’t have yet. And when Canon allows 3rd party lenses for their RF line, how long will it take to fix the autofocus issues. I’m considering upgrading from my Canon 6D and I’ve been going back and forth between R6 and a7R4 or R3. Great discussion.
I really felt attacked as I watched on my Sony phone, which I love by the way Tony! Lol
I enjoy my 5d miv and miii and still they making amazing pictures and miv amazing video with touch screen and you can move focus whatever you need
But the main question is why did Canon and Nikon started coming up with mirrorless, if the DSLR's were doing so much good for them? What forced them?
Changing market brought by sony
They discuss it in the video
Tony is a real deal photographer & reviewer, but the best part Tony has Chelsea....this debate showing Chelsea is a good photograper, reviewer, model and sharp review on this. Chelsea's points are, make sense.... Both of you, awesome. God bless and keep doing edutainment like this.....
I never understood the EVF lag Tony and Chelsea were experiencing with their A9. There is no EVF lag on mine.
Track a fast moving subject, like a flying bird, and hold down the shutter. Your subject will gradually move out of the frame because the slight lag causes you to not track quickly enough.
If you aren’t tracking fast motion it won’t be an issue for you, so that’s good.
@@chelseanorthrup8787 I shoot birds in flight specifically with the A9. The EVF has two resolution settings, high and low. Low setting has higher refresh rate than the high setting but in both I have no such issue with lag. It is a world of difference from dslr's.
27 minutes and no mention of two major factors:
1, pricing
2, seamless adoption of lenses across the lineup; EF&EF-S on M and RF.
Imho, camera always Canon, Smartphone always Apple, Drone always DJI 🤷🏻♂️
Absolutely true
Wrong. Sony, Samsung, DJI.
@@1lifeonearth yes, true imo
camera - whatever fits your needs, smartphone - whatever fits your needs, drone - whatever fits your needs, wife - whoever rocks your boat
@@1lifeonearth ewwww sony lol... sorry Canon for camera, samsung? The full of viruses android samsung? Ewww hahaha
Chelsea, what your Google searches aren't telling you is how many professionals, not amateurs, have switched from Canon to Sony. Amateurs will go with Canon, or even Nikon, over Sony because, overall, they're cheaper than Sony. Sony's native lenses are expensive compared to Canon and Nikon. However, Sony opened up their tech to 3rd party manufactures, so there are cheaper lens options out there for Sony.
Canon and Sony are both good brands and they are going to leap frog each other in innovation. Nikon won't be as much of a player until they get their financials figured out or they end up fading away, like Olympus. As long as Canon and Sony keep duking it out for the top spot, the one who really wins is the consumer. What's good for one will eventually be good for the other.
Keep doing videos like this that keep both companies on their toes. Thanks!
It is impressive how Canon was so late to the game and came in with such a strong player.
Back in August 2015, Sony announced the Sony A7RII. What year did Canon or Nikon announce a competitive FF mirrorless camera to the A7RII?
Imagine a camera manufacturer like Nikon would offer a camera with an almost lag free EVF in the price range of the Z6. Thats a way to declass the competition. Unfortunately that is not going to happen anytime soon. When it happens the competition will have it too.
The z6 II is actually almost lag free now. Watch Ricci’s test Z6 II lag time. You have to go into menu and turn ON View All In Continuous Mode, the select either 12 or 14 bit H continuous shooting. Selecting 14 bit raw at H high will get lag free EVF. And the upcoming Z9 is said to be black out free, lag free EVF in any mode.
Camera companies have been pushing prices up with false value for years. For companies like Nikon it will be the death of them.
Hi...you mentioned recently that all of your future videos would be shot using the Canon R6. Is this made using the R6? Love the quality of this video.
I was dhooting on canon 60d(2yrs), mk2(1yr), then mk3(1yr) and I was always disappointed on my works because some orange effects. I watched all comparison reviews sony vs nikon vs canon vs fuji vs panasonic. Then i switched... that was the best decision in my life! Now I'm on my new camera for 4 years. And I don't even need to upgrade, because I love my works. And believe me canon is not top 1 or top2. Maybe 3rd place. But definitelly not 1,2.
Dream on. You didnt experience the new Canon cameras right?
As a Nikon shooter, I just watched 10 seconds of this video, and left...
Maybe the same will happen in the industry as a whole, just on a larger time scale?
"As a camera maker, Nikon just watched 10 years of this market, and left..." 🙃
If Sony priced the Alpha 1 at the same price as the Canon R5 I’d stay with Sony. In the end Canon got the RF mount right first time around. I’ll be returning to Canon (after 10 years with Sony).
I am a Canon user and plan to continue with Canon. At least they are (the higher end models) still made in the home country. Can't say the same for Sony and Nikon (all made overseas).
I think canon's edge in sales is largely due to their DSLR business, and since they're not investing in that anymore that edge will eventually fade
No ur wrong canon's mirrorless lens has far more future than Sony.
@@RMStudioImphal i don't understand how you can say that, when their mirrorless lens lineup is still incomplete. Agree that what's out so far is very good, but there's not that much out there. Time will have to tell.
DSLR might come back. In the world of guitar effects, stompboxes died circa 1990. Today, stompboxes dominate.
@@aliendroneservices6621 I hadn't thought about that but you could be right. We don't know, there might be a technical innovation that suits DSLRs better, or people might decide they like the DSLR experience better, the way film is making a comeback.
@@zfisher yeah it's still incomplete but EF mount r still available without compromise in quality. This month I thought of switching to Sony but when I found out their lens' price I can't afford it so I stick to canonr cuz I can get cheaper EF with adapter without any quality compromise. Canon build better ecosystem than Sony. N lastly they r very clever. They already invest more in mirrorless. They actually have more powerful cam than Sony but they didn't lauch it at first. See their pattern see how they jump huge moves from r to r5.they r celver. That's why I am saying canon will be in top. I think they will lead the market.
Not sure if I’m biased but when my 5D3 pairs up with the 70-200mm mark II, no Nikon or Sony cameras and lenses combo can beat it for sharpness.
I still like my Nikon and plan on going mirror less with Nikon
Hope you'll do some research before doing that.
@@AhmedYousif if you don’t shoot Nikon what does it matter to you ?
@@AhmedYousif Nikon are useless at marketings but they are genuinely the easiest cameras to use for hybrid work.
Have they ever done a show talking about the spirit of Minolta and if it still lives in Sony? I used to be a major Minolta fan-boy back in the day - and was bummed when Sony bought them out. I remember rumors that Sony hired the Minolta techs, but don't know the entire story
Minolta invented the first autofocus system… it was called “Alpha System”… Sony has indeed honored their legacy…
5:00 the R couldn't autofocus for a year after the release..
Chelsea apparently omits that the R body, released in late 2018-Canon's answer to Sony at last-triggered widespread frustration for photographers instead of vloggers [04:25].
I’m shouting canon since 10 years and I can’t just say to people that overheating was fixed no it wasn’t fixed and it will never be in current R5 might be in R5 mark ii right now it is still terrible I’m stressed on every job 😓
I'llsend you a Nikon Z Mount Brochure >> we all make mistakes so dont feel bad
True the overheating is not fixed. For some (most) overheating in video isn't an issue but for others it might be. Even 1080/120 overheats apparently.
@@77dris my R5 overheated after two hours of studio photoshoot
@@januszciechowskiphotograph7297 send it back for a refund.
@@sexysilversurfer I’m leaving in Macau here it dose not exist 😞
I'm 32 and I have fond memories of Andre Agassi playing tennis. Where am I? Am I already in a retirement home? Is that where I've been going from 7-3 everyday? What is life?
You missed the joke. Agassi used to do Canon Camera SLR commercials in the early 90s.
Well canon has the tech but they have a hammer to cripple xD
Like the r5 just add a fan canon like panasonic did to the s1h
Hmmm, did you hear the part where Chelsea and Tony laughed about the fact that Sony cameras overheated in 4K for years? Also, the Sony Cripple Wrench™ has put in terrible colour science and LCDs in all their mirrorless cameras to date. You had to buy an expensive Sony Cinema cam to get proper colours for a decade.
@@77dris the only campany I trust is panasonic
Guys make a debate for the mounts pliz . People will learn about mounts and have fun . Great show btw !
I just traded in all my Sony gear and went for a Canon R6. It’s way more user friendly, better color science. RF glass is amazing. Touch screen for video and flip out screen is very useful and fast
For a long time Sony seemed to charge a premium over Canon for lenses - and they were newer releases. The RF line up - and even a chunk of the EF line - now seem to match or surpass Sony pricing. I think we are seeing an effective full frame mirrorless duopoly where the kit is aimed at the professionals and keenest, wealthiest hobbyists and they charge accordingly. They can't make money from large sales volume, they need to make more from the remaining sales. A sales person said she no longer had any entry level cameras to sell when I bought a new RF lens.