Superhero Editorial Room
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2023
- The Superhero Editorial manager meets with Wally West, Iron Man and Ray Rice to discuss their direction in the world of comics. You have to have a very poor social life to understand half of this.
Wally West voiced by @TurboJehtt
Ant Man voiced by @ChrisVoiceman
Art by @TheFrenchPineapple
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This came out perfect. Thanks for having me on to showcase my one talent: voicing speedy guys.
Typecasting strikes again
GOD DAM YOUR VOICE IS GOOD
Omg best collab
Nuh uh
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I love that Superior Iron Man was basically just Tony Stark if he became a drug dealer that made everybody become an addict
So, cocaine really does make you feel like a god?
it was SO entertaining at least
He arguebly made a worse version of any drug... since it could be technicly beneficitial since the program makes the person a "better" version, wich could have some good benefits or even be repurposed into something else to help others... but nah, he made it a drug on Purpose to make more cash and make everyone look at him like a God.
Hell, even his current armor is the most busted thing around, its ridiculous.
@@Death2all546Shoutouts to Snowflame.
@@peterwhite6415And he douses the entire world in his nanites that activate it without their knowledge or consent. Then fools people into believing it's the app and in the end, he brainwashes Daredevil into being his biggest supporter by making him think Tony saved his life after a near death scrape with a villain. It's some truly evil and scary stuff.
Peter needs an actual fucking hug right now from literally everyone who has ever loved him
They're all dead. Probably.
@@ABlueOrbor hate him for a stupid reason
There's a reason more people think of the Spider-Man movies and games much more fondly than the comic books.
Marvel hates Peter being happy
Think of all the people he didn't show up for.. because he was busy being Spider-Man
2:20 "The lowest point of ur life was also the pinnacle of your success"
What a line
hits hard and true
RDJ.
The true Ironman
I should trademark this line
That's pretty much true for Slipknot with Iowa.
It still baffles me to no end, that amongst the rogue's gallery of fantastic villains Spider-man has, the absolute worst is just some guy named Paul.
I don't get it what's the joke?
@@gavinrollot6426 Paul cucked Peter in another dimension with his MJ. mf is probably some writer's self-insert. they even have 2 kids together.
@@gavinrollot6426 Paul is the guy who cucked Peter by marrying MJ in a weird time bubble and the writers choose to blame Peter for it and portray Paul as the morally righteous character. It's genuinely the worst writing and there's never been a more hated character in the spider-man comic.
@@gavinrollot6426And Paul's likely the writer's self-insert as well, so it's extra cringe
What about Zeb wells? At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if Paul turned out to be Wells' O.C/ self insert. It's like Jojo's bizarre adventure: Paul is the stand and Zeb Wells is the stand user. His ability is to ruin Spiderman for everyone.
wally might be a speedster but he can't outspeed the writers taking the piss outta him by taking away his whole family
At least he’s in a great place now, right? He’s where Spidey should be at this point of his life-three kids, married, good job that relies on his strengths.
All because they wanted to make him black and no one liked it. So they sabotaged his character to try and force people to like the black one. This is why race swapping character is a bad idea.
yes
And murdering all his friends!
@@neotagatg3238cry about it
We need a sequel with just Peter, now.
Stopped the video too soon
well the last few frames do that pretty effectively I'd say
The moment i saw the guy silent i KNEW it was going to be peter
@@darien9487 oops 😭
No. Trust me if you know what they’ve done to Spider-Man the last few years, you just don’t want to see that.
For those who don't read comics, none of these are made up or jokes. It is exactly what happened.
Edit: Except the cocaine part. THAT was an actual joke.
Does Hank Pam wind up drop kicking his wife?
@@tylerm6453No, but he does get his soul eaten by an eldritch abomination.
@@cameronlapage7386to shoo him away?
@@cameronlapage7386it happens to the best of us
@@cameronlapage7386im sorry what?
"Hear me out Spidey, what if you went evil?"
"Ock is already being Superior Spider-Man on his own."
"No, I mean straight up villain!"
"But that's a complete betrayal of my character."
"You haven't had a character since One More Day. Anyway, we could give you an out. Whatever happened to Green Goblin's sins? We could just stuff them into you, and you can go on a roaring rampage of revenge on your villains. Think of all the excitement this change will bring!"
"I don't know..."
"You can throw Paul off a bridge."
"It's a deal!"
did this happen???
@@sometoastergirl Woke comics are absolute crap right now. So the answer is yes.
@@sometoastergirl it happened, Spidey killed nobody and Goblin has his sins back.
Basically he didn't get any outlet
@@sirellynok don’t get me wrong, I absolutely hate the new comics right now, but how does wokness fit into this?
@cooldude2027 don't listen to them, anyone that complains about "wokeness" is bound to be an idiot.
There needs to be one for Jason Todd. Every week he has character development, only to turn around and “hate Batman”
That is a genuinely easy and accurate summary of Red Hood.
"I'm giving up my guns, bruce Your the most admirable person I know" *two weeks later* "Fuck batman, I'm gonna shoot joker!"
It seems like that's just the bat family in general. They take a complex, morally grey character who cares more than they let on and turn them into an absolute asshole whose most defining character trait is "I'm edgy." Sometimes they'll even do it in the same run. Just look at Teen Titans: Rebirth.
Honestly same with damien and tim for different reasons. Damien is never allowed to have any growth stick and they just have no goddamn idea what to do with Tim anymore.
You mean every week he has some character growth and realizes Batman's the cause of a shitload of suffering, only to turn around and worship him again.
Honestly, I applaud the restraint for making fun of the state of comics with only a passing mention to Spider-Man.
I haven't been keeping up with the spider-man comics. What's going on with them now?
@randomperson6247 MJ is in a relationship with a dude named Paul that she was trapped in a dimension with. Peter got humiliated in front of Felicia by being seen wearing cat themed underwear. And Peter gets treated like an asshole for no discernable reason.
@@M61322 don't remember. I think the underwear said something like "here kitty"
@@MrTux1204 that is somehow equally unexpected and expected lmao. The comics sound like a whole ass trip right now
@@MrTux1204 Hearing that *Felicia* made Peter feel humilitated just for having cat-themed underwear honestly feels like the most surreal thing I have learned about this whole Paul debacle in passing, which is saying a lot. Especially since "make Peter suffer unduly" feels like it's been the standard MO for at least the past 30 years, just one that has gotten amped up more and more since _One More Day_ and its legendarily infamous stupidity.
Like, Felicia can be rather catty--heh--at times, but her humilitating anyone over something like that feels more mean-spirited than she actually tends to be, never mind the sheer hypocrisy of it or the person in question being Peter. Short of Peter fucking an actual cat or otherwise abusing one, I honestly can't see Felicia Hardy doing anything besides turning something like that into some type of teasing innuendo at "worst":
"You know, Peter, if you were that desperate to have a cat that close to your crotch, you could have just asked me nicely."
"It's about Paul, right?"
(Sobs in Zeb Wells)
I'm not gonna lie, that one actually hurt.
I had to google that one but as soon as I saw the mention of the different dimension I knew which story it was talking about.
The joke that Hank Pym wasn’t supposed to have been drawn slapping his wife is true.
So what was said but it's a bit hard to refute the slap when later in that same issue they have The Wasp tearfully remove her sunglasses to reveal a black eye
@@prinnyramza Yeah, I guess they just went “fuck it” and let it be a deliberate case of domestic abuse. And thus they ruined Hank Pun’s reputation forever.
@@victoracosta4796 It a shame too. I feel like people would be more sympathetic to his mental illness now a days. And it's not even a case of reconning considering he stopped using his shrinking powers at that point because he just had a mental break.
Well in a weird way Wasp might end up looking worse considering she married the guy when he didn't even remember who he was.
@@prinnyramza he shooed her away too hard and the air he pushed punched her in the eye
@@victoracosta4796 I thought it was meant to be a "character turns quickly with hand outstretched, accidentally hits wife " sort of thing, but it got drawn like he went out of his way to back hand her.
I hate how accurate to the source material this is
I’m gonna need context for each segment.
I too would like context to these
Yeah like... Antman and Ultron fusion?😭
@@AmanwithbonesI don't know about It in Man (though he was put into a coma by Captain Marvel then woke up but he was actually an AI clone, though I don't know if they retconed that) and Hank Pym, but Wally West had a moment and killed a bunch of heroes, though they retconed that and Spider-Man...my brother in Christ, you do not want to know.
This video is commenting on all Marvel and DC’s recent comics have been kinda shitty with their writing. The flash killed people, Iron man made a super addictive app and really did give a blind guy his vision just to take it back making him addicted, ant man slapped his wife I guess and did some weird shit with ultron, it’s very self-explanatory how shitty this all has been, and the writers of Spider-Man lately have been complete bullshit making Peter Parker’s life fuckin abominable
"whyd you kill them?" "Mental illness"
MY GOD THAT WAS PERFECT😂
Then it became "Mind control" then "Savitar"
@guilhermehessel7312 He should have been dressed in a raindow..
It used to be that mentally ill mass murderers would deny their mental illness. Now they embrace it.
Oh. My. GOD! The Editorial Room HAS to become a regular occurrence. This is brilliant.
^^^THIS
please jj i need this^
Yes! And have people like Sonic come in to bitch to editorial too!
"they are giving you back the kids Wally, it's over" had me dead
Can you explain the joke. I don’t know enough about Wally West to know how that would be bad.
@@Johnny-Number-Onethey had retconned his kids existence. They brought them back
@@sunnyscript1224 oh okay. Thanks for the clarification.
Wally West sure is pretty damn fast…
yeah
@@LTNetjak He can vibrate every part of his body, if you know what I mean.
@@LTNetjak That was sort of a plot point with Bart when he was briefly the Flash. His GF noted that he was fast at everything... EXCEPT in bed. Bart kinda ignored that last part and thought her friends would figure out his identity. I feel like "thank you" might have been a more appropriate response there.
@@TwoToneShoesSuper Speed = Super Stamina = Super Endurance
@@LTNetjak Not about Wally, but
A verse from the song "Birds of Prey" from Brave And The Bold:
"Flash's foes, they finish last. Too bad sometimes he's just too fast!"
This is straight up roasting so many dumb decisions and it’s great.
You mean satire?
yes
I actually think the entire "Wally West murders heroes attending a mental health facility and lays the blame on Booster Gold and Harley Quinn" was a cool story-arc.
The Iron-Man being a druglord thing was something caused by a magic that changed the alignment of heroes, so it doesn't really need an explanation beyond that.
And Ant Man abuses his wife in pretty much every comic book run he is in beyond the originals, but the PymTron thing really doesn't make sense.
@@CandiceGoddard I mean, that's not the definition, but for this case it's apt.
@@cloaking111They need to villainize him somehow for being a Man. The current writers at Marvel are Misandrist Swine, inundated with nonsense social politics. It's obvious from their writing and their "academia" that they know zippity doodah about Men or even Masculinity and any Man joining in on the bashing is usually hoping for a sniff of poon by their Fempig overlords or sexual predators hiding in plain sight.
i love how quickly the editor flips between being the voice of reason and supplying terrible ideas
Like actual editors
Just like in real life
Ok@@crackerjack0349
Ok@@mariadosprazeresmaria7685
The fact that solid jj is now talking about real comic book plots is incredible. Brilliant TH-cam channel
What does it say about the current state of comic books that they fit in perfectly with solid's other works...
I love that Wally west just has a static face the whole time.
1:01 _"Mental Illnes"_
@@venomfan2020Didn't they retcon that though?
@@Hewylewis They might've I think.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57
You are the most elaborate rickroller 🤣
@@anonymousplayer4104Given all the shit he's unnecessarily been put through, Wally West becoming a "Stepford smiler" in front of other people would be somewhat fitting.
Between all the versions of spiderman that exists, I'm willing to bet all of them make up like 80% of the meetings
Kaine and Ben especially. Holy fuck im always so sad for them
Laughs in wolverine
Not miles though, that kid been doing great lately
@@alexmansfield3268You can't treat a minority character poorly in 2023, you'll get a package bomb. They're only treating him well to avoid that
@@alexmansfield3268and people love him. The writers just hate any spiderman in blue and red
Seeing superior Iron-Man in this old animation style just made my day. Thank you JJ.
Still hurts that they never finished that's storyline
@@starlord1521To my understanding, Superior Iron Man and Captain America battled to the death in Secret Wars (2015) issue 1, but this was shortly before all the universes were destroyed and cobbled together into an amalgam ruled by Dr. Doom. When the multiverse was recreated afterwards, almost everything stayed the same for the main universe but everyone who died in the Secret Wars was back, Cap and Tony included. And this resurrection turned Tony back to his old self, I guess?
So it was technically concluded, just. In a pretty dumb way
Zeb Wells is one of those hack writers who seem to think Spiderman is only interesting if he is always miserable.
Omg touhoufan
I blame the editorial more
@@HypocriticalLies I blame the fans.
@@Ash-Winchester
Yeah, all of those damn fans who can't get enough of Spider-Man suffering.
...We reading the same comments?
@@mythosinfinite6736 Oh please, spider-man isn't suffering.
“That wasn’t even supposed to be a slap. I was just shooing her away”
“Yeah, and you shooed the rest of your legacy away with it”
My god, that got me so hard
To be fair that wasnt what killed his legacy...
It was actually getting her atomized and out of comics for a long time xD
Mhhh so hard 🥵
not as hard as that backhand
And all because of a miscommunication between Stan Lee and the artist. Pym was meant to accidentally hit her, giving her a black eye, while angrily turning around, but the artist decided for a full on “pimp slap”. It was all meant to be a misunderstanding, that sent him on his downward spiral.
But hey, we did get some great stories out of it… :)
You have to say it like that?
“What if I drop kicked my wife?”
I think Ultimate Hank Pym beat you to it.
Ultimate Hank Pym truly didn't help original Hank's image.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117
You think? I mean, the fact that a large audience think Ultimate Hank Pym is the defacto Hank Pym says a lot. At least that's what I've heard.
Didn’t she get merced in the skrull war in the of verse?
@@Mox1990
If what you meant to say was: didn't she die during the Skrull Invasion? Yes, she did. And then Hank Pym started going by Wasp to honor her memory.
Just like he does Janet.
the fact he sounded genuinely excited to drop kick his wife had me dying XD
That's how you know it's Hank Pym and not Ultron.
This needs to be an entire series. Spider-Man ALONE could be an episode with OMD, clone saga, the current run, etc
You could even have multiple Spider-Men (other versions of Peter, like Noir and 1612; or other Spider-Men like Miguel O'Hara).
OMD could easily fill the better part of an episode.
Noir honestly doesn’t need editorial help. He needs therapy. Cuz his life is dark. Same for Miguel. Both live in terrible times.
They actually did retcon the murders a ton. First of all it wasn't Wally's fault it was an evil speedster and now they're all alive again.
They're giving him back the kids Maswartz, they're giving him back the kids. It's fuckin over
Does Wally still have the kids?
@@thesmashor4396just had a third.
of course there was another evil speedster....
@@ironmaster6496 It was him, Barry.
I don't know what annoys me more, the fact that all this is actually real, or the fact I have absolutely no idea what Wally's deal at the end is because following comics has become more difficult than it should be.
If it helps, last time i checked he was doing pretty well for himself. He's the main Flash now, has a third kid on the way, and they undid all the murders.
@@silomenezes2935 so Barry's gone again?
@@VRHyoumaruno Barry's on vacation
@@silomenezes2935
What even was the birders about???
@@2-bit567Dan Didio being Dan Didio
Spider-Man: Can we please make a story where I can finally take a break from this suffering?
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Editor: No
Even when they do it usually end with him dying in a way
Editor: We are giving you your wife, kids, and even uncle Ben,but we are taking aunt May as collateral.
Peter: but she practically raised me I can't just lose her!
Editor: would you like to get cucked again?
Peter: ......
Editor: that is what I thought enjoy your newly bought life 😂
I got every reference in this, and it hurt me physically so bad. It was also freakin hilarious.
Would it be possible for you to exaplain a few of it? I'd really love to understand more about it.
What ones specifically?
@@sebas1218 like did Iron Man actually cured Daredevil's blindness and then he blind him back again?
@@BiBiren Yeah during Superior Iron Man he cured daredevils blindness temporarily using extremis to try and get him to stop investigate what tony was doing (getting people hooked on extremis a drug that enhances you greatly). This was during an arc where superheroes and villains had their alignments switched.
The first one with The Flash. Well he was a beloved side kick who took over the mantel after the flash died(Well less died more vanished but thats not important) So he became the main flash for decades and even was seen on tv shows in the early 2000s. Suddenly he vanishes and a black wally west is now wally in the new canon story.... Then they bring back our beloved ginger wally west just to have him KILL his fellow heros who were going to therapy and through that who story he was trying to convince people another hero did it. And like the video said it was never really fixed.
Iron man one is more simple, in one story the heros became villians and the villians became heros. Iron man was able to maintain his evil side when everyone was returned to their normal alignments and many heros didn't notice since Tony wasn't tooo different just more extreme and a bastard. At one point he gives daredevil his eyes back since they were the first hero to notice and really it was a bribe to keep daredevil from looking more in but daredevil doesn't and before he goes back to being blind he uses the brief time of sight to see his best friends face. AT the end daredevil betrays tony but tony is like "No" and Erases daredevils mind days back before he got nosy and erased the memories he made when he had sight.
Hank.... I honestly have so little idea of that story line. I think hank and ultron end up in the sun and there they merge. They escape the sun from like a solar cloud popping out and return to earth where they're alignment is all over that its more confusing then who this creature really is.
Spiderman. Simple, They just made him a sad hero and the writer made this beloved hero a weakling and coward who cant even win against... THE VULTURE!!! you heard me !! the old man with fake wings made spiderman his play thing and spiderman begs the norman for help!!! I can't stand this direction and really you need to read it to get the story, its hard to describe just the kind of train wreck it is.
@@tonnentonie2767
"And you shooed the rest of your legacy with it" that was just...no words can describe how perfect that come back is
Yeah the writers of that issue made the greatest mess
The Cocaine comeback!
As a guy who liked Hank Pym growing up (and wants to like him now) words cannot describe my frustration with the fact that there was a literal miscommunication and the panel was actually supposed to show him shooing her away. That miscommunication has nothing short of nosedived Hank Pym's longevity as a person people are even allowed to like.
@@Caleb-zl4wkTell me about it, I love Ant Man 🐜 and the original fucking Ant Man is persona non grata in and out of universe! I think they killed Hank in a soul stone too for some goddamn reason
@@ozmasterofmasks5838 it wasnt even the writers
it was a miscommunication
he was literally supposed to be shooing her away but the artists miunderstood the instructions and drew a slap
That was some of the best comic book commentary I've seen in awhile. I would love to see the Spider-Man, Cyclops, Beast and Hulk
Hulk would be great
Bro beast... don't even get me started. Leave my man beast alone...
And Jason Todd
Remember when cyclops got compared to Hitler cause he saved mutantkind from getting gazed?
@@sunnyscript1224Gods, even as someone who had already given up on the big two's superhero comics by that point, the amount of character assassination poor Cyclops went through--mostly to try to make fucking Wolverine look good, ugh--is *still* surreal. It's even weirder since, as far as I can tell, Cyclops seems mostly justified in the things he was doing *and* didn't even go fullbore "evil" even though he's easily in like the top 3 X-Men members ever who have an excuse to have a mental breakdown that leads to actual villiany after all the bullshit he's been through. (This especially after the _Deadly Genesis_ retcon.)
The worst part isnt that Tony turned evil, but that he could have probably fixed Daredevil's vision this whole time 😂
I really like that Solid JJ is using custom images now instead of just screenshots from old cartoons. Really expands the possibilities of his videos.
I think you mean...
The possibilities of his SJJ universe.
Yes
eh idk kinda prefer the screenshots
Taking screenshots out of context was funnier tbh
exactly it had its charm and out of context they were better, not it just seem like yet another comic book slander show@@burner555
I love the Spiderman part:
*"It's about Paul, right?"*
I don't get that part to be honest.
@@SeantheBlueFox Writers made a storyline where Spiderman gets cucked by a creepy looking dude in glasses.
@@SeantheBlueFox paul is a guy from another dimension who cucked spiderman....not even kidding that actually happens and it's still going
@@SeantheBlueFoxPaul is basically this guy that Mary Jane ended up with and is probably the one thing a lot of Spidey fans universally hate.
Paul is the biggest super villain in all of fiction. He shows up to stories to cuck the super heroes. His villainous ability is cucking.
"And shooed the rest of your legacy away with it" is a great line lol
10/10, JJ.
The Wally stuff is too accurate.
Superior Iron Man was absolutely coked out that entire run
Dude...we NEED this editorial guy to have a talk with moon knight, I can only see it going 2 ways and both are fucking hilarious
moon knight actually got his life together at the moment he is even dating tigra ....what's that ? oh nevermind his ''dead''
Ahhh, So Tigers do eat their mates...I'm sure he died with a smile on his face.
Come to think of it; maybe MJ is better off staying away from Peter. 🤟
Moon Knight would be so good for this.
Editor: congratulations moon knight you getting your own solo series
Moon knight:about damn time
Editor:everyone will love it
One day later
Editor:oh God people hate it
Moon knight:what but it me being all badass
Editor:there saying that it so unrealistic for you to be beating up so many of the marvel chars
Moon knight:oh come on when I wielded Thor hammer that was hype
Editor:yes but people saying because you can use it because it made from the moon sounds so dumb
Moon knight:people will hate
On one hand: He's currently got possibly his best ever run getting written right now (apart from maybe the Lemire run, but that's so different that it's hard to compare), and in it he's actually going to therapy, getting his life together, and improving himself
On the other hand: Age of Khonshu and Bemis run
On the even worse hand: Looks like he's going to die in 3 issues, and like, as in a permanent way (keep in mind I mean like comic level permanent--he'll obviously come back eventually, but he's not getting to use his one super power of "can come back from the dead" as the reason how)
The DC disrespect Wally has had to deal with ever since the new 52 is *unreal.*
Sadly pretty much inevitable when the person running the asylum's favorite character is The Flash that Wally "replaced" (and said person couldn't be mature about it). But yeah, poor Wally probably has had the worst treatment of any major superhero comic book character period by this point.
He’s doing great right now though. The video’s out of date. Eobard Thawne and Savitar were retconned to be the real reasons those people died. Then they all got resurrected anyway. Now Wally is the main Flash again. He’s the start of the solo Flash series.
@@MusicoftheDamnedSee my above reply. Go check out Jeremy Adams’ Wally run which just ended. Simon Spurrier is the new writer of Wally’s new run too.
@@rcbmmines4579 So noted. That is all good to hear, and I will try to keep it mind.
That said, your emphasis is on "now". The other two of us used "had" in reference to the decade-plus nadir that Wally had to put before "now" simply because he wasn't Barry. Unless you want to argue his treatment during that time wasn't disrespectful? That would be...an interesting argument. (Also even if the reasons for it happening thankfully were retconned and everyone--you're sure it was *all* of them, right?--who got killed got revived, it still happened both in and out of universe, and that alone is still dumb and gross on multiple levels, especially when it was initially blamed on mental illness. So sadly I wouldn't say this video is out of date at all on that front.)
@@MusicoftheDamned Oh no he was 100% disrespected in that time. Still, the video acts like nothing’s been done to fix it since then aside from giving him his kids back. In truth, Wally’s doing better now than he has been in decades.
Not only has blame been shifted to not one but two other villains, not only has everyone who died been brought back to life, not only does have his kids back, but his entire erased history, his wife, his title as The (main) Flash and his place as the star of the Flash book have all been restored. He also has a third child on the way, his son is no longer destined to be a villain and also has his powers back again. He met a future version of his daughter who’s a hero in her own right and his son in the future is in a happy relationship with a time traveler.
Meanwhile, Peter has yet to recover from his similar editorial shenanigans and just got the worst setback after getting so close. The Paul stuff is more recent than Wally getting everything back. Wally’s been The Flash again and got all that back for a couple of years now in fact! It just seems like people are more attracted to controversy and completely ignore or forget when good things actually happen, leading to editors pushing more bad stuff to happen again instead because that’s what gets attention these days.
0:38 "Go out there and knock 'em dead!"
Very poor choice of words Mr. Editor, very poor choice of words.
As a Wally West fan…this was a gift…thank you….he got the kids back. Hell as a Superior Iron Man run fan I loved this too! Maybe I should comment when I’ve actually finished the video. This was a treat SJJ, thank you
Can you preaty please explain the context of the wally west one? I never read the comics
@@lucius42from what I remember Wally west was pretty much erased from existance for 10 (real life) years then he was brought back but the original flash (Barry) is the only one that remembers him, not even his wife or friends remember him so he got extreamly depressed resulting in him accidentally murdering 3(?) Other heroes by losing control of his powers because of how sad he was and being sent to jail for it.
Then in Jail he gets recruited by a god to travel across the dark multiverse and save it where he finds his actuall kids but to save them he sits on the mobius chair and becomes a god of knowledge but loses parts of himself.
"Do you know how mentally taxing it is to know the lowest point in your life was also the pinnacle of your success?"
That is...a genuinely terrifying thought, holy crap...
The Suffering Artist trope...
They like to see an underdog struggle. After you've succeeded past your mistakes, people will be happy for awhile but eventually you'll get stale because your arc is already complete. There's nothing to make your character interesting anymore. You either get a happy ending and retire or you'll get dragged along other characters' stories as a background player or a mentor, therefore shifting the focus on a newer player.
I think Steve-O, one of the Jackass guys, has this exact problem where people tell him he was funnier when he was an addict.
Pretty much what happened to Elvis.
@@X-SPONGEDI like stories that have an end.
You can always wheel the characters out in other people's stories.
If there's one Solid JJ video that should get a straight up sequel, it's this one. This was amazing
This should be a series
i agree with this one, this is peek meta-comedy. I'd love one entirely dedicated to Namor and his inconsistency as both a hero and a villain.
Yeah, Superhero Editorial Room would be a great series of videos.
@@B-Mag I remember ItsJustSomeRandomGuy doing something like this but as a "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" parody.
Those were good times.
I would love to see superhero editorial on captain American during secret empire because that book nearly killed comics for me
I’m just happy some people still remember that Antman was originally Ultron’s creator.
The switch to Superior Iron Man after he's introduced to coke is fucking genius. You wanna read some messed up stuff that's a good place to start
OH GOD AND THE ZEB WELLS CALLOUT RLGDNLNVJSLVSEUIVGLSNB VJ
It's actually hilarious how there's enough material in the comics to make a dozen of skits like this. If you ever do make another one I nominate Jon Kent. Maybe throw in Jor-el too
Jon Kent age up was truly Bendis COMING.
Maybe go into all the different ways Jor-El saved Krypton during the 50's and 60's (because the writers didn't compare notes) and then the Kryptonian leaders didn't believe this guy who saved the world 17 times when he said the planet would explode.
AND CONNER
Definitely gotta talk about all star batman
Only a dozen? You’re thinking to small my friend. Decades of contracting stories and the last twenty years of “lets flip the table”? So long as the industry doesn’t explode it’s never going to end
I’d love to see Star fox, nightwing, speedball, Tim Drake, and Kyle Rayner in this format
Kamala....
Like, Star Fox as the Nintendo IP or some niche character I wouldn't know as a casual super-hero fan, if even that?
@@fluffycat679A character that doesn't deserve to be niche that is not the Nintendo fox
@@fluffycat679 a niche superhero. He is the brother of Thanos and from what I remember was character assassinated to become a date raper.
@@fluffycat679 Niche character. Thanos' brother. Former Avenger. Had the power to make people around him feel pleasure so no-one was sure if they actually liked him (or banged him) because they did like him or if he had used his powers on them, so was basically seen as a sleazoid. Also played by Harry Styles in the MCU, but that was in The Eternals, so like most people you probably didn't see it.
As Jack Kirby said
"Kid, comics will break your heart."
We need this to be a series of episodes...Just The Editorial Manager trying to deal with the worst and most convoluted plot points in the comic books ever...we NEED this
It would be funnier for the editorial to freak out that Quicksilver actually slept with his twin sister, Scarlet Witch. Or Superman did the deed with Wonder Woman mid-air and caused a catastrophic earthquake (?) for some reason. Or again Spiderman knowing that Gwen had a child with Green Goblin.
Like Captain America being a sleeper agent for Hydra? That was dumb.
@@BiBiren It's like Marvel loves to shit all over Spider-Man for no reason
I originally felt bad about laughing at Daredevil going blind again, but Iron Man and his Manager laughing with me made me feel guilt-free.
I know rigth, best part.
I can imagine a reader from the golden age reading about this stuff and saying "What the heck is all this?!"
And I say "I don't know, superheroes... got complicated."
More then a few people probably thought it was just a completely made up skit, and only found out that this shit ACTUALLY happened while readingf the comments. I Know I did, "Wait... flash actually murder god knows how many cause "mental health?"
@@blazichaos7181 This is why I think the genre works better in tv and movies.
@@EccentricGentelman Because those haven't gotten stupidly convoluted in a fraction of the time.
@@M61322 Well that too. But I was thinking of how it used to be just virtueus themematic heroes triumphing over dastardly thematic villains. For decades now it's been multiverse madness, dimensions erased, characters reinvented, non-cannons, head-cannons. It's so complicated they invented the retcon.
You really have to wonder how Bob Kane and Bill Finger would react to something like "Death In The Family" or "The Killing Joke."
Didn't expect a heroes in crisis reference
"They're giving you back the kids Wally."
I don't know the context, but it sounds like Wally regained custody of his children and he feels unworthy of this second chance to be their father.
Iirc, it’s Zoom’s fault
Hunter Zolomon was pissed that Wally wouldn’t go back in time to fix his busted legs. Through comic book shenanigans Hunter managed to become Wally’s Reverse Flash. He wanted to break Wally so badly that he’d go back in time to fix whatever the damage was. Zoom constantly escalated the damage and then it got to Linda and Zoom just killed the unborn twins
I haven’t caught up on Wally, but I assume “giving you back the kids” refers to un-stillbirthing his children…
@@doobles9253nah they were already superheroes when they were erased, they were erased together with wally in the new 52 relaunch
Ok this is fantastic, can this be a series? I NEED more of characters being self aware of their wack ass plotlines
fun fact it really wasn't supposed to be a slap, it was a communication issue between writer and artist
He was simply shooing her away!
I mean, in the same arc he nearly killed the entire Avengers in a scheme to show them up in front of the entire world, so Yellowjacket Pym was still kind of a dumpster fire. But that is what made pre-ultronized Pym so interesting. He had to get over the stigma of having become an awful person for a period of time, and the mental health scars he suffered from his own actions.
One of my favorite interactions is when Yellowjacket Pym and a recovered Giant Man Pym are pulled into the Future by Kang to stop Immortus from committing multiversal genocide, and Giant Man Pym has to try to keep from destroying Yellowjacket Pym verbally, because that would reveal to Yellowjacket Pym that the Giant Man Pym is from his future, and not his past.
Zoom may have been wally’s arch enemy but his true greatest foe has always been dc editorial.
2:40 I mean it's what gives Cap his powers
No its Super Soldier Serum
The Super-Soldier Serum is a formula designed to create super-soldiers. The name is a misnomer, as the "serum" actually consists of various processes. Subjects that are considered to have been enhanced to their "Peak-Potential" are noted to be Captain America,[4] Isaiah Bradley,[6] Josiah X,[7] Protocide via an SSS variant,[8] and Union Jack via a different SSS.[9] Variations of the Super-Soldier Serum have been developed over the years which induced greater-mutations than peak human capabilities.[10][11][12] So far, it would appear that Captain America (Steve Rogers) is the "perfect man."[13] The more powerful variants come with strange side-effects that may also include mental deficiencies.[7]
Just looking at the thumbnail you know it's gonna be good.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57You can’t stop me
Co
Caine
COMEBACK!!!!
In the JJ cinematic universe, does this mean Ironman is now a Super Soldier like Captain Coke?
Damm, you're right. He basically forcing super cocaine to everyone in that storyline
The Cokevengers are now a thing
@@vaniatrinta7764Their theme is just the regular Avengers theme but on 3x speed and an occasional wrong note
Waiting for coke hulk
Turns out Hulk actually just had severe cocaine psychosis that confused immigrants with misfitting drapes in his mind. Moral of the story: If Captain Coke offers his "private reserve", don't take it.
*"SOBS IN ZEB WELLS"*
Yeah, me too.
It's scary how IN-CHARACTER these characters are- including the editor.
Well done.
As a comic guy, knowing what he's referring to is a fucking wild ride 😂
Seeing Peter in there, it could've been anything tbh....
NOT paul😂😂😂
ngl the entire video could've solely been about peter
Not even a comic book guy but even I'm aware of the whole Paul ordeal. The guy's so infamous that knowing Spider-Man is all it really takes to know Paul too
I don’t think it was the guy asking if it was Paul I think that’s what finally broke Peter people knew and he didn’t know what to do anymore so go to good old reliable editor guy who works with marvel and dc characters
"To know that the lowest point in your life was also the pinnacle of your success."
Damn. I feel that.
This feels like an inside joke that I'm very happy I'm a part of. I was half expecting Tony to say "Hey, wanna try this new App I'm working on?"
Guy’s surprised that Flash killed a lot of people after he told him to “knock em dead”
you know it's really weird how DC treats Wally West especially when he was The Flash for the longest in continuous publication and the one most people considered the main Flash or the one they were introduced to first.
Don't worry they somehow fixed him which is more than I can say about Spider-Man...
@@NatrixNate Spider-man is not broken. Anything that came out in the comics after 1999 should be ignored. Modern Marvel and DC comics don't make sense. I was basically out when they killed off Superman, it made no sense. I collected them them and read some... BUT both DC and Marvel were trash. If it wasn't for the live action stuff taking off they would have died out when most print media did.
Barry was the longest in publication and the one most people considered the main flash
You should make this into a series. Id nominate Batman and Hal Jordan for the next one.
Batman is fine aside from the marriage thing. Nightwing is worse. Spider-Man has it the worst of all
I'll second the hal jordan
Hal: I killed almost every other Green Lantern and stole their rings.
Editor: What? Why?!
Hal: I was mad at the Guardians but it's ok because I was possessed by the literal embodiment of fear.
Editor: Get out of my office.
Which one do you even use for Hal? Killing the Corps, sleeping with a teenager, being racist to his Inuit sidekick, there's really enough for an extra length episode.
@@superjlk_9538
Define, "fine".
There are definitely a lot of unnecessary, "Batman is a total dick for no reason and totally stagnates or even regresses as a character" moments that shape been running on loop to this day.
Probably not to the same extent of totally redefining the character or demolishing the existing status quo people liked as some others (at least in canon), but I don't know about fine.
I would like to add my petition to everyone else's ideas and suggest an entire episode just for the X-Men
I.... don't even know where you'd start
What about Beast becoming evil?
3:25 nice cit to superior iron man vs daredevil (substitute cocaine with extremis and there you have it)
The ending is beyond perfect
And i didn't get it. Could someone explain please?
@@vineetbiswal5188look up "zeb wells spider-man comics bad" or something like that and youll understand
@@vineetbiswal5188so basically MJ cheated on Peter for a dude named "Paul" and actually forgot about Peter completely after being trapped In a different dimension.
Now MJ left Peter for PAUL and adopted kids from thr other dimension too. She's also married to PAUL now.
Marvel has been fucking Spiderman sideways. Sony on the other hand have helped him, but people only care about the comics
@@vineetbiswal5188 Here's a better explanation.
Spider-Man is sitting in the Sneako chair.
you can really feel the pure comic reader rage fueling this video
Always found it funny how it took BOTH the end of Williamson’s Flash run and the start and end of Adams’ Flash run to retcon the cause and effects of Wally’s role in Heroes in Crisis
The fact that you didn’t even need to include the part where Cocaine Tony offers DD to keep his vision _if he pays a subscription_
At this point the Superheroes editor is probably Mephisto
Or Darkseid if you go by Justice League Incarnate.
Do some Looney Tunes zoom out and show Mephisto with a pen drawing comic pages.
Well he definitely edit Spidey live
@@MrDj232"Ain't I a stinker?"
And he especially has it out for Spiderman considering he personally fucked him over TWICE
Once Peter and another Otto
Getting a "Saul Goodman/if Google was a guy" feeling.
The inevitable Peter skit actually killed me. I am now undead.
Same
I love (and hate Marvel) for all he needs to say is "is it about Paul" and I understood everything.
I’m 43 and I remember reading the Hank Pym story arc 30 years ago. They did that man ugly, I kept rooting for him and something always seemed to go horribly wrong. Still bugs me to this day.
Heh heh... "bugs".
Seriously, though, I agree. Hank Pym is one of my favorite superheroes, but not because of anything Marvel did with him, but rather because of how much potential he had to start with that got thrown out.
I like to imagine time moves differently in the Superhero Editorial Room
I just know Speedball made this guy’s life hell
Speedball's life HAS been hell too
Poor Speedball man
Ending it with Spider-Man crying was the best choice of action.
I only got the iron man references because of a youtube short, and knowing tje actor had issues with alcohol, but damn it I still laughed
"Go out there and knock em' dead."
Wally: *And I took that personally*
Love how this captured the positive spirit of the old days transitioning to the angst and gloom of the 2000s.
I'm both excited and scared because at some point, solid jj has to do an entire video dedicated to making fun of the Ultimatum event from Marvel.
What Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns does to a comic book industry.
@@CyanRooperThose were both clearly meant as just alternatr reality 12 issue limited series though.
Oh, dear, wait till I see Solid jj suddenly tackle magical girls.
At least Wally got his family back in the end of it all.
No I’m not joking, the fact that he got his kids back is a good thing and the fact that Linda also remembers him is nice
Isn’t he stuck on the mobius chair though
@@jameson1239 Nah that was years ago and didn't last very long. He's been the main Flash for the last 2 years.
@@TwoToneShoesI still wish he kept the old suit
@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 Old suit was a harbinger of bad times. I don't necessarily disagree with people who want him to be a little more distinct from Barry's original costume, but that Rebirth costume needs to be dead in the dirt. Just makes him look like Kid Flash.
@@TwoToneShoesPersonally I see it as a combination of his time as Kid Flash and Flash but I understand your opinion
supprised he didn't have captain america become hydra in this
Speaking of "Cocaine Comeback," Anyone remember Snowflame from The New Gaurdians comics?
The fact that I actually knew everything that was talked about only proves JJ’s description true and that my social life is very poor.
"this is about paul right?"
pain.
3:34
Love it as always!
THIS IS PURE ART!!!
The Wally West bit was fucking hilarious. Luckily he's in a good spot now.
*Reads the recent Titans comic, Wally Dies*
Oh.
Edit: Formatting
I already love this. We need a whole series of this just talking about how messed up comic writing gets. Especially spidey-man.
We need an ENTIRE three parter video just for Spider-Man 😂
3:41 Laughing at the disabled is a crazy caption.
As someone who primarily likes The Flash because of Wally West, that first bit was great lol
The fact i read almost every comic books and getting these references, it makes this video even better, nice stuff dude.
I'd love to see you do Dick Grayson, his journey in comic books is very wild.
(Tho Tony Stark didn't become a villain because of cocaine, but still)
I hope this becomes a recurring thing on the channel. Maybe with a little extra guideline at the end like “Superhero Editorial Room: The Depressed Ones” or something.
This could easily become a series if you wanted it to.
Marvel: We’re taking the kids
Character: Nooooo
DC: We’re giving you the kids back
Character: Nooooo
Oh God, I can't believe we are talking about Heroes in Crisis. it took like maybe 3 retcons in a span of a year or 2 to fix the mess they put Wally in.