Secondary Stability - My Goat Island Skiff
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2021
- Testing my Goat Island Skiff's Secondary Stability after building the new watertight seats. Sailing to see how far under I could sink the Gunwale before it was to late to prevent a capsize!
Trying to stay on the windward gunwale as long as possible before a capsize.
Tested different methods to get her the right way up again with as little water inside as possible.
Also sailed her fully swamped and was quite surprised with the results.
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Similar is the pleasure of playing a song on an instrument you built. It’s also reassuring to know that if it becomes damaged, you can fix it.
Indeed! it's an amazing feeling right? 😉
You are perhaps the best salesman for Storer and the Goat Island Skiff anywhere! You built a boat that the designer could only dream of, and then added very well thought out details such as the lazy jacks, outhaul, cam cleats for halyard and outhaul, hiking straps, water tight side benches….and you are having and sharing your passion and fun. If I travel again to Portugal, I hope I can visit you and go for a sail. I will bring pasteis Belem. If you are ever in Englewood, Florida, I would be happy to take you sailing on Lemon Bay on one of our lovely, but manufactured, boats.
Hi!
Thank you for your kind words! If you ever come over please contact me and we'll try to find a day where tide and wind are favorable for a sailing session! 😉
What a brilliant boat this is. Such simplicity of hull and rig, and bloody fast too.
Capsizing it again, to let the water out!
Now you know how to do it.
Not much left..not enough to matter much. But you could install a self-bailer.
The side tanks and hollow mast make righting easy.
I love the Goat, want to build one.
Greetings from Netley, on Southampton water
Thanks!
The GIS is a very dry boat in most conditions. Self-bailers have the tendency to leak...😅
You, with that boat, shows great amount of fun sailing can be. It was a pleasure to watch you enjoying yourself with a very safe vessel.
Nice video, I have sailed a lot of racing dinghies, and a few bigger one designs that took a lot less effort than you were using to capsize and more effort to recover. I really like your boat. Plus the simple rigging and lifting center board makes it look like the perfect gunkhole.exploring setup. Keep making these videos showing her off and let's see more exploring videos
Thanks JimboRides! 😁
@@TheBoatRambler bote a ESCOTA no seu PÉ .
Not many small boat sailors (I don't think) develop as much confidence with their boat as YOU! and you show us how to do it by " playing" with the boat in many conditions. WHO ever heard of hiking out so far you are hanging by your heels from the gunnel!
Weird but fun it seems.
Hanging by the heels is fun but not that effective! 🤣
Thankyou, that really helped to reassure my boys about how hard you have to try to capsize a Wooden dinghy!
Glad it helped! Get them sailing! 😁
What I am just stunned by is just how fast the GIS can sail! That thing is a rocket
Yours, as well as Roger Barnes', are my favorite sailing channels on youtube
Wow, thank you!
Roger Barnes is a legend, maybe one day I can achieve half of his knowledge. 😉
Nu îl cunoșteam . Mulțumesc pentru indicație.
That’s a hell of a boat, what a beauty!
a day sailing on a boat you enjoy, a job well done showing the fun of sailing
The lines of the boat look fantastic from that camera angle. The watertight seats would be an essential design element if I was to build one.
Thank you this is the best sailing video I have ever seen. It makes me realize that capsizing is a set back not a disaster.
Thanks Leo!
Just make sure everything is attached to the boat or you'll have to swim after stuff!! 😅
@@TheBoatRambler Ahh! The protip.
A big pat on the back for Pedro, that must have been a long day for him. When you get a chance build yourself a spare center board, they can and do break occasionally.
This shows how much time it takes to learn to sail. But you do it because you love it.
I do love sailing... and most sea related activities tbh! 😁
It only takes a few hours to learn the basics of sailing, but the learning never ends. I learn something every time I sail, which is part of the fascination.
She likes being on her side, so awesome
great to see :-) the differnt recovery methods vs water in boat are very interesting. Goo dluck with the Regatta
Thanks David!
An excellent study on the subject. Thanks for doing this.
Glad you enjoyed it Kevin!
That sails like a charm. Picks up speed quickly also.
That's a swish little boat, I like it! Best of luck on the Regatta! I'd say you'll do OK, she hooks!
Thanks 👍
Any small boat that you stand up and walk around with no stability problems is not tippy. Was interesting to see how it wanted to round up the more of the rail you got wet.
The boat is overcanvassed by design, so that's where the tippy reputation comes from.
Th GIS has more or less the same sail area as a Vaurien or a Topper 14.
It's a lot more versatile due to the 3 reef lines. You never need to sail overcanvassed. 😉
I said it in your last video, Capsize Fever, you've got it bad, seek therapy, lol. Another good video, testing your boat to find her capabilities. From where I'm viewing they look pretty good & I'm learning stuff.
Still need to capsize her in heavy chop and do a full turtle! 😁
Beautiful footage...I want to be having that much fun on your boat..
I bet no-one would try that hard to be capsizing on chilly British waters though....
Great video !
You and me both! 🥶
I don't even like the sea water temp here in Portugal in the west coast!! luckily I sail mainly the estuary and the water is a nice 24C most times! 😎
Very interesting, informative and entertaining. Thanks for posting. Taking capsize testing to a whole new level!
Thanks for watching! 😉
Such a great boat. You're definitely having fun. Congratulations 💙
Thanks so much! And yes, it was really good fun!! 😁
EPIC!
Beautiful little boat!
Thank you! 🙂
What a beautiful looking boat!
Thank you! 😁
Outstanding ride ! Thnx man.
Glad you liked it Kevin! 😉
looks like fun
And it is!! 😁
You had me laughing mate. What a fun little boat.
She certainly his!! 😁
Beautiful boat!
Thanks Gary
Great videos. Thanks for sharing.
Have you thought about putting in a bailer? If that helps, would connecting the foot wells drain all the water through it?
Thanks again
Hi Pedro!
Bailers have a tendency to not stay 100% watertight... most times the GIS is a very dry boat.
With the side tanks/seats there's hardly any water on the aft foot well. The water on the forward foot well actually keeps the bow in the water preventing the skiff from slamming in the chop and I can actually sail it after a capsize without a problem like this.😉
And tbh I have never capsized my skiff unintentionally ....yet! 😁
Thank you!
Looks like sooo much fun
And it was!! 😁
Excellent work both with camera and your skills
Thank you very much Ross!
Fantastic build and sailing. I normally work with metal, but now thinking about building GIS.
Thank you!
The GIS is an awesome design and simple to build, and she does perform like a racing dinghy if you want! 😁
nice video! beautiful boat!
Thank you very much!
One suggestion for righting the boat quickly - stand on the dagger board next to the hull, then use the main sheet so you can lean back - gives you more leverage to get it up.
Hi Paul!
I found that bringing her up slowly leaves a LOT less water in the boat to bail out.
Also when I tried holding the mainsheet like you said, the sail/boom wasn't allowed to swing and the weight of the water on top of the sail actually made it harder. 🤔
@@TheBoatRambler Ah - I hadn't considered the issue with water on the sail. It was a technique which worked well when I used to sail Larks many years ago. Seems like you have worked out the best approach for your circumstances!
Your videos about your Goat Island Skiff are great - I think I maybe should consider building one...!
Subbed, nice to meet you. All the best and cheers from Goa.
Hi Ben! Welcome aboard! 😉
Awesome!
Thanks! 😁
Cool
Me ha gustado mucho tu vídeo!
Thank you! 😃
That’s a fast boat. You should do well at the regatta.
Hi Michael!
Yes the GIS is fast but I don't race her.
I do the regattas on a 32ft traditional sailing boat, lateen rig.
You can find some videos of the regattas on my channel! 😉
Parece ser na realidade muito estável :)
obrigado pela partilha...
E é...até virar! 😂
Abraço.
Nice video, thank you. What’s that small green boat in the last shot please? Tx.
Hi!
I have no idea! that is what we use to row to the mooring buoy! I'll ask Bruno, maybe he knows! 🤔
Does your boat have self-dischargers so when you gain speed with a full boat, it will get rid of the water inside? Great video 👍
Hi Pete!
No the GIS doesn't have self-bailers as the original project didn't call for them... neither could I sail the GIS before fast enough for them to work.
How much fun is a small sailing dinghy, rig in minutes, just throw it in and away you go. Drop sail and drift over your favorite fishing grounds jigging for squid and fish. Then beach her and camp in isolated beaches that only boats can get to. Sailing dinghies are the best, most fun recreation "vehicle" there is in my opinion
Well said! The smaller the boat, the bigger the adventure!! 😁
😊👍✌
Muito bons vídeos!
Obrigado Marcelo!😉
How to get a good workout?
A: try to get your GIS to capsize 😉
Awesome video, and she’s a beauty 👌
Thanks! 😁
Do you have video introducing your video equipment? I am curious how you set up your bow mounted camera for example!
Hi!
No I don't! The bow mount is a custom made piece of wood which fits in between the inwalle spacers! 😁
to that I attach a 1.2m insta selfie stick and an Insta360 X2 camera and the insta studio removes the stick later while editing! 😉
Good video. How did you do the shots from the bow's side?
Thank you!
I use an ista360 X2 camera. 😉
Hi Theo,
capsizing happens to me 90% at reaching when the boom accidentially dips the water. Capsizing then is very reliable... recovering is easy but I really wonder about the little amount of water stays in the boat when you recover it without standing on the daggerboard. I think about installing removable benches with buoyancy bags lashed below. Thanks for your your top videos!
Thanks Axel!
I have never capsized the GIS by accident although I was close to doing it a few times!! 😅
Good luck with the bags, and let us know how it goes! 😉
Mostra que a reserva de flutuação precisa estar na lateral e não na proa e popa, como muitas das construções atuais.
How big was the wind gust that finally capsized you?
Hi Bill!
I have no idea. I didn't ease the mainsheet, actually I over sheeted, and with 10sqm of sail you don't need more than 7kn to capsize like that... 😅
Use a ice skate bild kiel with max weight at the bottum and its fixed on the hull at 2 positions.
like the side seats
Extra buoyancy compartments. Prevents the boat from swamping, a clever addition to the original design.
Saudações! Bela velejada e belo barco . O nome tem a ver com o livro a Ilha do Tesouro - RL Stevenson ? Aonde consigo os planos ?
Ora viva!
Não não é relacionado com o livro. 🙂
O barco é um Goat Island Skiff e pode comprar os planos através do site do projetista:
www.storerboatplans.com/boatplans/goat-island-skiff-simple-sailing-boat-excellent-performance-lightweight/
@@TheBoatRambler OBRIGADO ! ( do outro lado do Atlântico)
Nice work capsizing and righting back.!! She’s a very stable ship!!! How did you get those great bow view videos? By drone? Cool angle!
Hi Christopher!
I use an Insta 360 X2 camera mounted on a 1.2m insta selfiestick. The software removes it! 😉
@@TheBoatRambler Thanks,,
Did you build her? She's beautiful!!!
Thank you!
Yes I did build her. I have all 30 weeks on my channel, but if you want a quick look at the full build here is the compilation video 😉:
th-cam.com/video/MUakkRGjx5I/w-d-xo.html
You are very bad at capsizing! 😂 Nice video as always, keep it up!
I hope i can really fail at it often! 😁
im puzzled bu the camera shots, exspexially the one at the front of the boat
Have a look here, it explains how I get all my shots 😉
th-cam.com/video/69wcWKoj_M4/w-d-xo.html
Teo, outside the benches could your choice of the birch plywood beeing a little heavier also contribute to the stability.?
Keep enjoying. I love sailing toooo! Regards, Paul
Hi Paul.
It might but not that much. The extra weight added to a GIS for being made of birch, spread over the hole boat compared to the hundreds of liters in buoyancy might not be that significant. Ofc the extra weight of the birch ply + the extra amount of ply and wood for the mods could make a difference.
Impressive. Clearly not easy to turtle it. I would be wanting to try it though because I have a feeling it will be very stable when inverted and you might not have enough weight to right it again on your own. I'm guessing each side seat probably displaces about your weight in water and you need to sink one of them to right it. That would probably be fine on its own and as soon as you get it a little off centre the mast will help, but all your other buoyancy is symmetrical about the centre line so you would have to sink half of it and lift the other half clear of the water at the same time. If you can get it across the wind and sink the downwind side even a little bit you will get help from the wind to finish the job...Still and all, a beer says you can't right it alone.
Hold my beer.... 😁
@@TheBoatRambler That was pretty much the offer ;)
My beer is with the VR.
@@TheBoatRambler My beer is on the way to me right now, also popcorn. 😁
Do more laser sailing videos
Hi Charlie!
I'm afraid I sold my Laser after building my GIS!😉
Can’t wait till you add a trapeze of sorts
😁 unfortunately the lack of shrouds on the mast might make it hard to implement...maybe...😜
Hiking bench perhaps? Would need to be very angled to stay out of the water like a moth.
What is the wind speed and boat speed?
Hi Grant!
I have no idea, I didn't have any electronics aboard! 😅
I have an oday widgeon. Im scared of capsizing.
Hi Vince,
You should arrange a controlled capsize so you can see how it behaves. You don't want to be caught off guard if it happens for real.
Ask a friend to help you with it. Do it close to shore even if it's shallow. Just be careful not to break the mast on the bottom.
I wonder how much stress is placed I the daggerboard with your weight? I guess it’s made for that…. Also, just curious, how much do you weight? I guess a teenager would have more trouble to bring it back up.
Hi Marc-Bernard,
I dont stand on the very tip of the daggerboard, more like in the middle.
I weigh around 74kg atm.
For lighter ppl or teens they can always stand closer to the tip.
Also my GIS is heavier (almost double) than a lightweigh GIS.
@@TheBoatRambler why is your boat so heavy? One of the things I like about the GIS is it's very light weight. Do you think the extra weight affects sailing performance much. Useful video btw.
Hi Barry!
I built my GIS during confinement, so the only plywood I could get was Birch plywood which is 30% heavier at least.
I also added watertight mid and side seats as well as extra struts for the hatches which are also heavier than the same area of plywood.
The lightness of the GIS was not an important factor as I don't really race her nor cartop her. 😉
As for performance I'm sure it won't accelerate or plane as readily, but to be honest...can't really notice it.
@@TheBoatRambler thanks. I like your side benches and centre mods. But I didn't think that could account for all the extra weight. Looks to sail well in your videos. Happy sailing.
fun times sinking your own ship... genius
If I could choose..."Fun" would be my middle name!! 😁
"não vai caraa"
trying to capsize your boat when every instinct/reflex is to keep it from doing so
I know!!right?!! 😂
Gunnel? Do you have a gun deck in that tiny war ship?! And for capsizing, it gets a lot easier when you sit on the other gunnel. Just sailing...
Hi!
I did capsize sitting on the leeward rail a few times on the previous video! here:th-cam.com/video/ro_w_ZR0PsA/w-d-xo.html
This time around I wanted to capsize it while trying not to! 😉
Are you not supposed to run 90degrees to the wind. I am a complete noice sailor. So I am really trying to understand what’s going on…….. ?
I Elhesh.
The boat will heel more the closest to wind it sails. This is usually around 45deg to the true wind direction.
If you imagine a force vector at roughly 90 degrees to the boom pulling the sail to leeward (that's how the sail works) you can understand better how the more you pull the boom in, the easier it will be to heel the boat.
In this video I'm trying to see how much heeling she could take before it was too late to prevent a capsize.
Hope this helps.
@@TheBoatRambler it does. Thanks so much. I really appreciate the response.
Esse barco é vira vira o gajo
Despite what you say, the boat is filling with water in less than ten knots (no whitecaps). GIS are tender, it’s obvious by what you are demonstrating. And built stock without the massive amount of flotation you have added they are almost impossible to recover and re-board. Very fast, but flat bottom and narrow with hard chines means poor secondary stability. You can’t argue simple physics.
Nevertheless, I LOVE your channel, and I think you are a fantastic sailor and videographer. I just question your choice of boat. 👎😜😃
Hi buddy! Thanks for your input and support!
let’s clarify a few points first.
-I am oversheeting to “simulate more wind” to intentionally make it take in water.
-White caps wouldn't form on the leeward side of the island so close to shore as there’s no chop/crests there.
-most GIS don’t have extra floatation and ppl capsize them and recover from it all the time. (although I never capsized unintentionally)
I do agree that the lack of built in floatation in the original design could be a problem if capsized in rough conditions as the boat would stay low in the water and higher chop/waves might make it very difficult to bail it out. But can you recover an Illur? Most cruising dinghies have poor or insufficient built in floatation.
Now my take on this…
My GIS isn’t as tender as a 420 or a Vaurien although it has as much sail area.(no spinnaker).
It has a very high freeboard and when that hard chine goes well underwater it does give it a good secondary stability.
The GIS has 10 sqm of sail and weighs less that 150lbs,(mine weighs 250lbs) that puts it in the racing/performance dinghy category.
Reduce that sail, one reef for example, and it still sails faster than most dinghies I come across and it becomes a much easier boat to handle.
It can also sail with 3 aboard and camping gear without any problem whatsoever, and if needed it can take four adults. Although not easy to sail with 4 aboard.
I didn’t find any boat that light and that fast and so versatile in years of searching for “my perfect boat”
I chose the GIS for all the reasons above plus the fact that the build method is so straight forward and minimalist that it’s almost a blank canvas for me to add mods! 😁
Making the side benches/tanks was the most important mod on my GIS. The mid seat is just as important but not for floatation, it is awesome to store all the gear I carry aboard.
And I needed a fast boat since we have only 4 hours to sail each day around here due to the tides, if I had a slow boat I wouldn’t reach the places I do with the GIS.
And the fun factor too..If you know of any cruising boat that can reach 16Kts with two reefs on let me know!
I might be building another skiff next winter tho…. 😉
Cheers
Teo
I’m more concerned about the RIB sinking………….
Hi Fab, the what? 🤔
@@TheBoatRambler Rigid Inflatable Boat. Your inflatable
shorter mast sail
Just a novice here, but wouldn't about 200lbs on the end of your danger make it self righting????
Hi Brett!
It probably would but then I wouldn't be able to lift it while sailing and it would be almost impossible to wheel the skiff up the ramp when I get to the club. Small light boats don't usually have weighted dagger boards.
@@TheBoatRambler makes sense thks
If you are trying to flip, why are you counter balancing the boat
Hi Douglas,
Because that's what I would do in in a real case scenario. I wanted it to flip due to the wind action, not by me forcing it.
@@TheBoatRambler I see. Very nice boat, looks like a good sailer.