Yeah - nice to see more positive points for Pentax. I have been watching a lot of landscape photographers the last couple of years who have all changed to Sony and very recently going on about features like wifi that the K1 has always had. And I watch them with their remote shutters that need to be wired or receiver put on flash mount while Pentax has had the inbuilt ir for remotes since at least the KX. Then they get into astro and buying all the tracking gear while Pentax has the built in with sensor shift... they have actually shown me just how damn good the K1 is for landscapes but yet not one of them use one and Pentax never pushed their camera in advertising which really hurts because there are so many landscape photographers that have no idea how good the k1 is.
Brett I 100% agree with you on that. So many great features on the K1 and not enough exposure. The price + feature was worthy enough for me to try it out. When I think back on how I got the K1, it was through a website that was talking about Pentax having IBIS , astrotracer and it went on and on and on. I was like holy cow, sign me up LOL. Let me check it out.
@@theCameraVille I don't get it. If you have a product better than your computation, it is only good business to market that edge. So what's up with Pentax?
Yea, it makes you wonder how are these sony shooter even dealing with the EVF/Lag/blackout. Its strange lol. Spray and pray. The IQ is hands down very nice and real to life. Love the Pentax color.
I think that Pentax is unfortunately underrated everywhere in the world ... I love the way they're exploit sony sensors and their unbeatable ergonomy !
Yeah I love Pentax , I don't shoot with them now but I would like it if they challenged the other companies a bit more and really got more people on board.
Its not underrated - its just not available at fair pricing - its cheaper (by far) for me to buy from B&H, pay the freight, exchange rate and all the taxes than to try and buy Pentax in NZ.
It was very strange to see the first released sample images of the 50mm 1.4 Pentax were shot in Auckland - not even a Pentax dealer in our largest city.
Yup, I went on a trip to Canada and I took the Pentax and left the sony behind. I couldnt deal with the IQ at the end. Plus I was shooting in the forest and Sony was going to drive me nuts ( plus its raining season).
I have never liked using EVFs in bright sunshine. They are great in the studio and in low light situations, but on a sunny day, give me an optical viewfinder every time.
Thank you so much for doing these videos, Li. I'm going to end up buying more pentax k-mount gear because of you. Looking forward to what 2020 brings from you. Have a happy holidays and great new year!
sub@!!!! Thank you so much for all the support !! I also want to wish you a happy holidays and a happy new years as well ! Take it easy. We will get things started again for 2020!.
Great review. I use a Pentax K3. I am currently using an 18-135 mm Pentax lens. I would like to upgrade from that lens to something better. I love taking pictures of landscapes, candid portraits of friends and family and macro shots here and there. Which lens would you suggest for me?
@@theCameraVille Thanks. I really love the channel. Being a Pentax user, Its great to see Pentax content being shown in a similar light as Canon, Nikon, or Sony. KUDOS to you bro!
Hi Ajith, I use the K3 also. Love the K3 will use it as long a possible. Try the very inexpensive but flexible SMC Pentax-F 1:3.5-4.5 35-70mm zoom/macro lens. Can find it used for less than $100. Its really light, compact and versatile for the money. Here is a macro shot I took. Use it when travelling because its light and versatile. www.flickr.com/photos/johnyv123/46803640304/in/dateposted/
@@johnvalatos4073 Cool. Will keep an eye out for it. Getting used (or new) Pentax lenses in India really a pain. Its very rare to come across Pentax users. The ones who use Pentax refuse to part with lenses :P (i believe for the very reason that its rare)
I too would love a tutorial on how to setup for birds in flight...AF hold setting, focus tracking setting, do you use back button focusing, etc. Great vids, keep it up!
Two things to keep in mind: 1) Sony is a consumer electronics company, Pentax is a photographic company. 2) the Pentax lens has way fewer elements than the Sony. Less glass = sharper images.
Would love to see sigma, tamron 150-600 and Nikon 200-500, I want one of these, I respect your real review vs most TH-camrs. You tell it like it is and it shows.
I would be very interested in comparisons between Pentax and Nikon for wildlife and landscape photography as well as portrait shots. Thank you for all the great videos about Pentax gear Li! You are awesome!
Good one Li or is it Lee? I’ve had the big Pentax 150-450 for nearly a year now, having had the DA ⭐️ 300mm for over 10 years now! They are such different lenses but the 150-450 is a big heavy lens compared to my 300 mm. The bigger lens has taken some getting used too, but I’m using it more and more and my images are getting better from it! All the best for 2020 from Australia 👍
Oh yes! It will take some time to get used to the weight but the end results are nice! Plus in Australia , Im sure you get tons of environmental obstacles over there, the weather seal is a plus. I believe I had to blow my Sony 3 times out the day due to the dust that got trapped in. Pentax no issue ( and the rain) I wrapped my sony with a dog poop bag lol. Its Li! but no worries, everyone gets it wrong haha.
the CameraVille - ha ha👍yes when I nail a good bird shot the 150-450 is so damned sharp! Maybe though and it’s probably the issue with tele photos compared to primes, is not to extend it right out fully to 450mm ? I’m just spoilt in the sharpness of the 300 mm maybe and to have the the flexibility of a Tele you gave to compromise a bit!
Ross Thurston I absolutely love the 300. It’s a prime and is very sharp. Colour and bokeh are excellent. The 150-450 is also excellent but because of all the extra glass some sharpness is lot, especially at 450. But I guess that’s the price you pay for having the flexibility of a zoom.
I wonder that sometimes as well. Every test I do, I always have this idea that the other brand will do much better but in reality, Pentax seems to be overall a great all arounder. They just need more exposure. Great glass. I was thinking the GMaster might do it but doesnt seem to be the case. I dont think company can last 100 years like the Pentax and not put out great lasting products. Pentax made something magically.
@@theCameraVille I will probably make the big switch from Nikon to Pentax in 2020. I look forward to being apart of such an excellent system. I only know one pro, personally, who use the Pentax line up.So many are missing out.
Great video once more lee ! Glad to see your channel getting recognized you deserve it all the way ! Btw I went 5 days trip( 3 days at least shooting )with my k3ii and the battery grip on and never need it to charge again ..
damn! When I was doing my test, I got up early, drove out to the forest. I had to go home 2.5 hours later because the Sony battery just ..... ..... Pentax Battery worked great for the entire day. 7hrs - 8 hrs depending how much I replay the photos. I just bought 2 more Pentax battery for longer trips. Sony , might need to buy a dozen battery lol.
You are welcome! Sometimes reading spec sheets just dont cut it.It was the user experience that was mainly the issue and when I realize I was just spraying and praying hoping to get shots, I knew this was a wicked system on Sonys part.
Hi Li, thanks a lot for continuing your line of Pentax-related reviews! For this video: I hesitate to say but in this hawk picture comparison I have difficulties to realize the Pentax-superiority. I think the Sony pic is a little longer exposed. Feathers on the belly … . Well, I'm a Pentax user for long (also 150 - 450 mm zoom) and not looking for mistakes. Only giving a short a reaction. Keep on uploading reviews please! Bye
Klaus Bartels The hawk wasnt for image quality or for national geographic purposes. It was the demostration of the autofocus as stated in the video. I couldnt get that shot with the Sony in a complex background. The sony lens is brighter due to their high light transmission issue . Previous video we did a test on both body with the same Rokinon and the outcome wasnt as drastic as this. This means somewhere in Sony elments, there is an issue. The key to this review is Sony is charging $500 more for a unit that relies on spraying and praying with a shorter focal distance at 400 mm vs 450mm. Also the other materials that was mentioned with getting dust in the system and battery life. I think we need to sit back and take it in as a whole . Would a person truly spend $500 over on a system link the Sony?
Hi Li, thanks for the great vid. I have a question. A friend of my is in the market for a Sony a6000. He want one travel lens. He looks at an sony 18-200 f3.5-6.3 LE. Dxomark rates this lens as the worst in their tests. I suggested him to buy the Sony E PZ 18-105mm F4 G OSS instead. Less zoom for more quality. He still prefers the 18-200 for more zoom. Does he gonna regret that decision? Do you (or other readers) have suggestions? His total budget is € 1000 or less. Just fyi, I shoot with a Pentax k5 and Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5. Very fine combination.
I had the 18-200 on my A6000 years ago. That was old school. It was some terrible soft images at the long end and on the short end was not bad. That is still a famous starter lens and if this person doesn't pixel peep then he/she will be okay. I just desired a little more and I sold it ; (
IMO, there's not a lot of point comparing images from different cameras for things like highlight detail unless you compensate for the variation in effective ISO between the cameras in post so that the images are equally bright. Two cameras can have "the same settings" but one will capture more light than the other, depending on that variance. It is clear from your images that the Sony was shooting brighter than the Pentax, so less highlight detail straight out of camera for the Sony would be unsurprising. Based on some research from Tony Northrup it seems that Pentax 100 ISO (on the K3, at least) captures about 20-30% less light for equivalent ISO on a Sony 6xxx, and to my eye that roughly matches the difference in exposure in your images. What is the comparative highlight detail between the images when they are equivalently exposed?
Before this video, we did a side by side comparison with both body on the same 3rd party lens and found a different results than this. That was our ground truth before we started this series . I also have images of me tuning down the shutter speed and aperture to compensate the brightness. In the end, I realize the more I kept adjusting it , it wasn't worth to continue to balance the Sony. I dont know who is Tony Northup, but if he is just another youtuber , you should refer my information to him as well. Cheers~!
@@theCameraVille You've never heard of Tony Northrup!? Wow - that's a surprise. Yes, "just" another TH-camr I suppose - with 1.36 million subscribers! So pretty much as well known amongst photography TH-camrs as it gets, I would think. He has sometimes controversial views, but he has the merit of backing up his views with hard data.
@@AmorLucisPhotography Never heard of him. Sorry, must be after my generation. But I'm glad you are a fan of photography and thank you for sharing this. I can do a follow up video on me trying to adjust the setting to compensate the brightness but in the end we have color / weather seal issue/ user experience / and also the price tag at $500 more. The fine detail was just minor but note worthy. Also a hard data in this review is Pentax is 450 MM vs a 400MM at $500 difference.. Tell Tony Northup I said hello!
Well Tony didnt write Pentax K1 off at all: In fact he reviewed it and called it the best Landscape camera on the market (at that time) - but Canon and Nikon were so dominant at that time that his review had little effect.
Li, have you considered doing a review on the Pentax DA 560mm F/5.6 ED HD AW Super Telephoto Lens? I am very interested with seeing the real world details on this lens. I just might include it in my Pentax line up.
Sony is taking people for a ride. Inflated pricing for lower than expected quality and cameras that are not worth holding on to once the next model is released. Clever marketing for sure, suck them in and then release a slightly better camera in 6 to 12 months. Hyping up that battery draining EVF at the very start was also clever. The EVF is becoming ever so more expensive to produce as the resolution increases yet a glass prism is still the benchmark. But, I don't know what I am talking about so... Great review as always. Cheers.
Bahahaha no no it is true. I am sitting back and wondering how the hell people are buying these sony cameras. Holy shit. It is a piece of crap. I was hoping more of a fight but it wasnt as I expected it to be. Even the Sony system costed $500 more if someone went that direction. I still cant believe A6600 went down $200 in price after 5 weeks of release. That is odd as hell.
Could it be that the focus breathing on the Pentax is caused by the tight weather sealing, it creates a vacuum inside, just a thought. Another excellent review.
That is actually a clever idea! When testing, I ponder how can this be as well. I just ended up telling myself, it was an engineering issue that most of the camera manufacturer gave up on. Also gives more reason to charge more when it gets fixed. ( weird concept I know lol. ) thanks for dropping by!
I only shoot with full frame bodies (a7m3 and k1) and prime lenses, but I do think that people should think over about their choices as most of them will only shoot with apsc cameras and kit lenses. Lots of cameras and lenses are just overkill and are barely worth the extra dollar for what you intend to do with them. Pentax is still worth the attention since they keep offering you products with good value for money
I will agree with that. I am surprise these last 2 brands, Sony and Fuji, hasnt shown much IQ improvement over the last several years. Pentax KP has a lot to offer.
Only on sunny days I would ever use a TC . Sometimes the af can be a hair slow. Depends the kind of shooter you are as well. Some people shoot static subjects which works great but others who are on the chase may need to use without TC. Due to the nature of roaming around, you might hit a shaded spot and then realize the af was a tad slower or inaccurate.
@@theCameraVille Right on, thank you. I mostly do landscape but I'm starting to adventure into the wild life game. Its proven to be a bit more difficult than expected but definitely worth the effort.
Well it goes to show you that in a lot of ways Pentax still out preforms Canon and Nikon ,Sony etc. By the way how long ago was the Pentax lens introduced in comparison to the Sony. .(
Haha, same, there is alot of strange numbering system but that may be an individual review with my own take on it. Hopefully my words are gold to some people. Some people want to see a side by side but yea, that is a rare focal length.
Question not relating to this video but still new to your channel and wonder if you got a video on why someone should consider Pentax - i think i saw you mentioned that pentax just have a massive selection of lens but what's the future of pentax really and where they are in the general photography business of things or what's the future and what they are going for in their newest cameras. like for example the fuji as a small company is developing their video capabilities as the xt3 is their first solid step in to the genre so i dont really know where pentax is going from that reference haha thanks
Oh you want like a more of the business of their future kind of video. I dont have one of those yet but I am planning to talk about their future release of the lenses that is coming out in 2020 and this could lead up to things . Alright you have me thinking as well. I do have a few ideas but it will boil down to on how well their next camera is going to do. Let me research~!
Though that KP has no AA filter and 6xxx Sony's does.That might explain detail level get and looks smeared on Sony.Anyway if you are in the birding then I would go with CaNikon.
Could be possible and also the image of the Sony tends to be brighter, which is due to the high light transmission issue that I have seen of late. The Nikon Vs Pentax is under way in 2020!
LOL!!oh man... Yea, I had to blow the dust 2 times during my testing in a day because it just kept getting in. I was amaze how bad it was. How do sony shooter live with this stuff lol. I think that new A7riv is reported to have this as well.
Oh man.. so many mistakes - in short: if you want to do comparison, you need to set some rules and stick on them. Like - everything have some purposes.. Now you can do review a6100 vs a6600 with same lens :O :D. Or if you want to test sharpness, test it on same focal lenght / if you want to test focus, use a6600 (a6400). //Price tag problem?//
Not really because they are preparing a new A7000, apsc baby A9. With that in mind, these A6000 series af is very good on large subjects, birds behind simple background but with complexity on moving subject in a busy background, it goes haywire. Also factor in the dust that gets in the camera, the shorter focal distance, 450mm > 400MM and of course the color science and poor dynamic range in the entire A6000 line up, poor battery life, Its safe to say that Sony did this on purpose. The new A7000 will be the stable and will be impressive. The A6000 series , It has 4k , eye tracking and other dslr dont. In the end, really up to the shooter on their want and needs.
@@theCameraVille Sony a9II and a9 are one of the best camera with bird photography, people are taking amazing shots comparable to the Canon 1DX, 7D2, Nikon D500 and D5. I have tried the K1 and it has trouble providing reliable AF even for event photography. Pentax is one of the worst choice in the entire industry. You're simply spreading misinformation.
I don't like Sony, but there is a something wrong here. The Sony lens is great, but on A9. Sony weighs 1400g and Pentax 2000g. The fact that GM is made for a mirrorless has nothing to do with it. The Sony A6100 is terrible, Sony A6600 is much better, but the sensor is the same(dynamic range is not great). It is more expensive, but who will care about the difference of 300-500$ for body at 2000 -2500$ for the lens. You forgot about one more huge difference. BUFFER DEPTH. about 10 shots - Pentax vs 33 Sony A6100 or 100 shots Sony a6600. The autofocus on the Sony A6600 is clearly better. I switched from d500 and d750 to Oly M1mii. If you want apsc for wildlife or sport then buy d500, not xt3 or sony.For m43 M1mii will be the best choice( much better rhen g9) The lenses are amazing and body is great. There is no difference in IQ if you publish to the web or print A3/A3+ even with iso 6400. Please people stop with pixel peeping.
This video is based on Apsc as I stated in the video and the weight in mind is a reminder that mirror less system are light in general, cant shoot a photo without a body. I dont think people will go out with just the lens. Its the overall package. I think people all have different money issue in investing on glass and not everyone is the same so given the price tag is a real give or take issue. If you take a closer look at the video, I mentioned about the FPS already in the video, which doesnt need anymore in depth conversation about buffer which will lead to SD card and etc. We need to generalize the information because viewers want it short and sweet. I totally disagree on you with the D500 because you didnt state a lens with the body, plus you are suggesting a 20 mp camera from 4 years ago by nikon which has dynamic range issue. I sold mines long ago. M43 would be a terrible choice for a pro photographer given the dynamic range issue. I shoot morning to night and I had the olympus before and now the lumix. M43 only shines during good lighting and certain hours of the day. Beginners camera system. Your last statement suggest we will all post online only so people need to stop pixel peeping. You clicked on a pixel peeping video. I'm not sure where does the irony starts but it is starting.
Yeah - nice to see more positive points for Pentax. I have been watching a lot of landscape photographers the last couple of years who have all changed to Sony and very recently going on about features like wifi that the K1 has always had. And I watch them with their remote shutters that need to be wired or receiver put on flash mount while Pentax has had the inbuilt ir for remotes since at least the KX. Then they get into astro and buying all the tracking gear while Pentax has the built in with sensor shift... they have actually shown me just how damn good the K1 is for landscapes but yet not one of them use one and Pentax never pushed their camera in advertising which really hurts because there are so many landscape photographers that have no idea how good the k1 is.
Brett I 100% agree with you on that. So many great features on the K1 and not enough exposure. The price + feature was worthy enough for me to try it out. When I think back on how I got the K1, it was through a website that was talking about Pentax having IBIS , astrotracer and it went on and on and on. I was like holy cow, sign me up LOL. Let me check it out.
@@theCameraVille I don't get it. If you have a product better than your computation, it is only good business to market that edge. So what's up with Pentax?
Great review. Makes me always feel more confident in the Pentax Product Quality
Yea, it makes you wonder how are these sony shooter even dealing with the EVF/Lag/blackout. Its strange lol. Spray and pray. The IQ is hands down very nice and real to life. Love the Pentax color.
love your vids.pentax is so underrated here in New Zealand it makes me mad,any way have a great Christmas.
Thanks Brent! Love New Zealand !
I think that Pentax is unfortunately underrated everywhere in the world ... I love the way they're exploit sony sensors and their unbeatable ergonomy !
Yeah I love Pentax , I don't shoot with them now but I would like it if they challenged the other companies a bit more and really got more people on board.
Its not underrated - its just not available at fair pricing - its cheaper (by far) for me to buy from B&H, pay the freight, exchange rate and all the taxes than to try and buy Pentax in NZ.
It was very strange to see the first released sample images of the 50mm 1.4 Pentax were shot in Auckland - not even a Pentax dealer in our largest city.
Great video, just more reasons to keep using Pentax
Yup, I went on a trip to Canada and I took the Pentax and left the sony behind. I couldnt deal with the IQ at the end. Plus I was shooting in the forest and Sony was going to drive me nuts ( plus its raining season).
@@theCameraVille sweet, whereabouts in canada? I hope you came back with great captures and good weather.
I use the k3 and 150-450 and it’s awesome. This is a great combination for nature. Couldn’t be happier.
I use the Pentax k3 with the 150-450mm and it’s an awesome combination for wildlife., Getting excellent results and it’s very enjoyable to use.
Just got the Pentax 150-450...Really nice lens. Solid and heavy! Great image quality. Got the older Pentax FA 300mm f/4.5 too. Also, a amazing lens.
I have never liked using EVFs in bright sunshine. They are great in the studio and in low light situations, but on a sunny day, give me an optical viewfinder every time.
Yup, this is why I had to change my eye cup on my Nikon with a 3rd party. Huge difference.
@@theCameraVille The fact that I wear spectacles doesn't help. The light creeps in behind the lenses.
Thank you so much for doing these videos, Li. I'm going to end up buying more pentax k-mount gear because of you.
Looking forward to what 2020 brings from you. Have a happy holidays and great new year!
sub@!!!! Thank you so much for all the support !! I also want to wish you a happy holidays and a happy new years as well ! Take it easy. We will get things started again for 2020!.
Great review. I use a Pentax K3. I am currently using an 18-135 mm Pentax lens. I would like to upgrade from that lens to something better. I love taking pictures of landscapes, candid portraits of friends and family and macro shots here and there. Which lens would you suggest for me?
Sigma 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DC Macro would be a nice given that you need macro as well. Better get one of these before it is gone.
@@theCameraVille Thanks. I really love the channel. Being a Pentax user, Its great to see Pentax content being shown in a similar light as Canon, Nikon, or Sony. KUDOS to you bro!
Hi Ajith, I use the K3 also. Love the K3 will use it as long a possible. Try the very inexpensive but flexible SMC Pentax-F 1:3.5-4.5 35-70mm zoom/macro lens. Can find it used for less than $100. Its really light, compact and versatile for the money. Here is a macro shot I took. Use it when travelling because its light and versatile.
www.flickr.com/photos/johnyv123/46803640304/in/dateposted/
@@johnvalatos4073 Cool. Will keep an eye out for it. Getting used (or new) Pentax lenses in India really a pain. Its very rare to come across Pentax users. The ones who use Pentax refuse to part with lenses :P (i believe for the very reason that its rare)
Hi, I´m a Pentax/Ricoh User too can you tell something about your Camera Settings for bird photography? (AF, Focus etc.)
I too would love a tutorial on how to setup for birds in flight...AF hold setting, focus tracking setting, do you use back button focusing, etc.
Great vids, keep it up!
delivering another great review, Li! thanks!
You are very welcome !!!! Thanks for dropping by ! Happy holidays!
Great video nice to see more positive points for Pentax
Not a problem! It wont always be peaches and cream but this video was one of them !
Two things to keep in mind: 1) Sony is a consumer electronics company, Pentax is a photographic company. 2) the Pentax lens has way fewer elements than the Sony. Less glass = sharper images.
Dominic Wroblewski There you have it people. Dominic has spoken!
Would love to see sigma, tamron 150-600 and Nikon 200-500, I want one of these, I respect your real review vs most TH-camrs. You tell it like it is and it shows.
Yea, I am set to go over back to Nikon and do a Nikon and Pentax comparison. The 200-500 is a nice one. I just need to sell this stuff off pronto!
I would be very interested in comparisons between Pentax and Nikon for wildlife and landscape photography as well as portrait shots. Thank you for all the great videos about Pentax gear Li! You are awesome!
Mario Moldenhauer This request is getting me excited. Im feeling pumped!
Good one Li or is it Lee? I’ve had the big Pentax 150-450 for nearly a year now, having had the DA ⭐️ 300mm for over 10 years now! They are such different lenses but the 150-450 is a big heavy lens compared to my 300 mm. The bigger lens has taken some getting used too, but I’m using it more and more and my images are getting better from it! All the best for 2020 from Australia 👍
Oh yes! It will take some time to get used to the weight but the end results are nice! Plus in Australia , Im sure you get tons of environmental obstacles over there, the weather seal is a plus. I believe I had to blow my Sony 3 times out the day due to the dust that got trapped in. Pentax no issue ( and the rain) I wrapped my sony with a dog poop bag lol.
Its Li! but no worries, everyone gets it wrong haha.
the CameraVille - ha ha👍yes when I nail a good bird shot the 150-450 is so damned sharp! Maybe though and it’s probably the issue with tele photos compared to primes, is not to extend it right out fully to 450mm ? I’m just spoilt in the sharpness of the 300 mm maybe and to have the the flexibility of a Tele you gave to compromise a bit!
Ross Thurston I absolutely love the 300. It’s a prime and is very sharp. Colour and bokeh are excellent. The 150-450 is also excellent but because of all the extra glass some sharpness is lot, especially at 450. But I guess that’s the price you pay for having the flexibility of a zoom.
Ross Thurston I meant to say lost😁also the 300 is a lot lighter compared to the 150-450 which makes it a great lens to carry around easily.
You must be generating about half Pentax's sales now.
Bahahaha, I was actually told by a camera store worker the same thing. lol North America sales = > cameraville via Amazon.com .
@@theCameraVille I have no doubt.
Excellent work! Congrats!
Thank you for always dropping by! appreciated!
Wow, another great review! Pentax really needs to increase their marketing budget. I don't think they really know what they have.
I wonder that sometimes as well. Every test I do, I always have this idea that the other brand will do much better but in reality, Pentax seems to be overall a great all arounder. They just need more exposure. Great glass. I was thinking the GMaster might do it but doesnt seem to be the case. I dont think company can last 100 years like the Pentax and not put out great lasting products. Pentax made something magically.
@@theCameraVille I will probably make the big switch from Nikon to Pentax in 2020. I look forward to being apart of such an excellent system. I only know one pro, personally, who use the Pentax line up.So many are missing out.
Great video once more lee ! Glad to see your channel getting recognized you deserve it all the way ! Btw I went 5 days trip( 3 days at least shooting )with my k3ii and the battery grip on and never need it to charge again ..
damn! When I was doing my test, I got up early, drove out to the forest. I had to go home 2.5 hours later because the Sony battery just ..... ..... Pentax Battery worked great for the entire day. 7hrs - 8 hrs depending how much I replay the photos. I just bought 2 more Pentax battery for longer trips. Sony , might need to buy a dozen battery lol.
Nice comparison! Thanks again for an honest opinion based on your examples and no BS.
You are welcome! Sometimes reading spec sheets just dont cut it.It was the user experience that was mainly the issue and when I realize I was just spraying and praying hoping to get shots, I knew this was a wicked system on Sonys part.
@@theCameraVille totally agree with you on this.
I don't know what's going on, but DON'T give up reviewing Pentax :)
I will do my best and continue making videos.
you are great as always, peace!
Thanks Forza~!!
Great video :-) does fullframe lenses on APS-C sensor have some influence on the focus breathing?!
no, its the lens itself.
@@theCameraVille Thx! I did not know 🙂
Hi Li, thanks a lot for continuing your line of Pentax-related reviews! For this video: I hesitate to say but in this hawk picture comparison I have difficulties to realize the Pentax-superiority. I think the Sony pic is a little longer exposed. Feathers on the belly … . Well, I'm a Pentax user for long (also 150 - 450 mm zoom) and not looking for mistakes. Only giving a short a reaction. Keep on uploading reviews please! Bye
Klaus Bartels The hawk wasnt for image quality or for national geographic purposes. It was the demostration of the autofocus as stated in the video. I couldnt get that shot with the Sony in a complex background. The sony lens is brighter due to their high light transmission issue . Previous video we did a test on both body with the same Rokinon and the outcome wasnt as drastic as this. This means somewhere in Sony elments, there is an issue. The key to this review is Sony is charging $500 more for a unit that relies on spraying and praying with a shorter focal distance at 400 mm vs 450mm. Also the other materials that was mentioned with getting dust in the system and battery life. I think we need to sit back and take it in as a whole . Would a person truly spend $500 over on a system link the Sony?
@@theCameraVille Ya, I see. Very true. Thank you for answering so fast!
Great video, I'm starting to think that my sticking to Pentax was not the mistake I thought it was.
Yes, the black out and lag was horrible and also the color and battery life wasnt that great.
Hi Li, thanks for the great vid. I have a question. A friend of my is in the market for a Sony a6000. He want one travel lens. He looks at an sony 18-200 f3.5-6.3 LE. Dxomark rates this lens as the worst in their tests. I suggested him to buy the Sony E PZ 18-105mm F4 G OSS instead. Less zoom for more quality. He still prefers the 18-200 for more zoom. Does he gonna regret that decision? Do you (or other readers) have suggestions? His total budget is € 1000 or less.
Just fyi, I shoot with a Pentax k5 and Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5. Very fine combination.
I had the 18-200 on my A6000 years ago. That was old school. It was some terrible soft images at the long end and on the short end was not bad. That is still a famous starter lens and if this person doesn't pixel peep then he/she will be okay. I just desired a little more and I sold it ; (
You have to try the new K3 with the 150-450, it's hell of a camera.
There has been report of the camera freezing and the buffer running short.
@@theCameraVille no issues here
IMO, there's not a lot of point comparing images from different cameras for things like highlight detail unless you compensate for the variation in effective ISO between the cameras in post so that the images are equally bright. Two cameras can have "the same settings" but one will capture more light than the other, depending on that variance. It is clear from your images that the Sony was shooting brighter than the Pentax, so less highlight detail straight out of camera for the Sony would be unsurprising. Based on some research from Tony Northrup it seems that Pentax 100 ISO (on the K3, at least) captures about 20-30% less light for equivalent ISO on a Sony 6xxx, and to my eye that roughly matches the difference in exposure in your images.
What is the comparative highlight detail between the images when they are equivalently exposed?
Before this video, we did a side by side comparison with both body on the same 3rd party lens and found a different results than this. That was our ground truth before we started this series . I also have images of me tuning down the shutter speed and aperture to compensate the brightness. In the end, I realize the more I kept adjusting it , it wasn't worth to continue to balance the Sony.
I dont know who is Tony Northup, but if he is just another youtuber , you should refer my information to him as well.
Cheers~!
@@theCameraVille You've never heard of Tony Northrup!? Wow - that's a surprise. Yes, "just" another TH-camr I suppose - with 1.36 million subscribers! So pretty much as well known amongst photography TH-camrs as it gets, I would think. He has sometimes controversial views, but he has the merit of backing up his views with hard data.
@@AmorLucisPhotography Never heard of him. Sorry, must be after my generation. But I'm glad you are a fan of photography and thank you for sharing this. I can do a follow up video on me trying to adjust the setting to compensate the brightness but in the end we have color / weather seal issue/ user experience / and also the price tag at $500 more. The fine detail was just minor but note worthy. Also a hard data in this review is Pentax is 450 MM vs a 400MM at $500 difference.. Tell Tony Northup I said hello!
Well Tony didnt write Pentax K1 off at all: In fact he reviewed it and called it the best Landscape camera on the market (at that time) - but Canon and Nikon were so dominant at that time that his review had little effect.
Li, have you considered doing a review on the Pentax DA 560mm F/5.6 ED HD AW Super Telephoto Lens?
I am very interested with seeing the real world details on this lens. I just might include it in my Pentax line up.
I have been reached to review that lens but will most likely be when I start comparing things to Nikon in 2020. So stay tune!
@@theCameraVille Great!
Sony is taking people for a ride. Inflated pricing for lower than expected quality and cameras that are not worth holding on to once the next model is released. Clever marketing for sure, suck them in and then release a slightly better camera in 6 to 12 months. Hyping up that battery draining EVF at the very start was also clever. The EVF is becoming ever so more expensive to produce as the resolution increases yet a glass prism is still the benchmark. But, I don't know what I am talking about so... Great review as always. Cheers.
Bahahaha no no it is true. I am sitting back and wondering how the hell people are buying these sony cameras. Holy shit. It is a piece of crap. I was hoping more of a fight but it wasnt as I expected it to be. Even the Sony system costed $500 more if someone went that direction. I still cant believe A6600 went down $200 in price after 5 weeks of release. That is odd as hell.
the CameraVille That is odd. Is it because they are not selling well? Are camera sales down? Are people happy using their phone?
Could it be that the focus breathing on the Pentax is caused by the tight weather sealing, it creates a vacuum inside, just a thought. Another excellent review.
That is actually a clever idea! When testing, I ponder how can this be as well. I just ended up telling myself, it was an engineering issue that most of the camera manufacturer gave up on. Also gives more reason to charge more when it gets fixed. ( weird concept I know lol. ) thanks for dropping by!
I only shoot with full frame bodies (a7m3 and k1) and prime lenses, but I do think that people should think over about their choices as most of them will only shoot with apsc cameras and kit lenses. Lots of cameras and lenses are just overkill and are barely worth the extra dollar for what you intend to do with them. Pentax is still worth the attention since they keep offering you products with good value for money
I will agree with that. I am surprise these last 2 brands, Sony and Fuji, hasnt shown much IQ improvement over the last several years. Pentax KP has a lot to offer.
Whats your thoughts on using the Pentax 150-450mm + 1.4 TC on a APS-C camrea?Theoretically if I'm doing the math right it would make it 945mm lens.
Only on sunny days I would ever use a TC . Sometimes the af can be a hair slow. Depends the kind of shooter you are as well. Some people shoot static subjects which works great but others who are on the chase may need to use without TC. Due to the nature of roaming around, you might hit a shaded spot and then realize the af was a tad slower or inaccurate.
@@theCameraVille Right on, thank you. I mostly do landscape but I'm starting to adventure into the wild life game. Its proven to be a bit more difficult than expected but definitely worth the effort.
Thanks man, love your videos and my Pentax. Peace
Thanks for the support and dropping by!
Another great video and another great example of how Pentax AF isn't as bad as many try to claim
Raoul my man!! I want to wish you a happy holidays man! thank you for always stopping by. Keep on shooting! I see you!
Well it goes to show you that in a lot of ways Pentax still out preforms Canon and Nikon ,Sony etc. By the way how long ago was the Pentax lens introduced in comparison to the Sony.
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I think the Pentax lens was 2015 while the sony was 2017. That is quite interesting.
Have you ever used the Pentax k3ii?
Yup, Kp DR and iso outperforms it but the fps / dual sd card is different.
Awesome li ❤️❤️❤️ i hope one day i can get one kp body 🙈🙈🙈 need one for me
No worry !! The kp price is dropping . I think its $700 and I am sure it will drop a bit more.
@@theCameraVille i really hope... Malaysia still at the same price. i hope new camera will be the beast
you should get the Pentax hat.
I wear a size 8 in caps. Its the last size on the cap chart lol. I rarely find my size lol.
@@theCameraVille the pentax hats in japan look good but they are snapbacks though.
Would love to see PENTAX DA* 60-250, but I have no idea about it's opponent
Haha, same, there is alot of strange numbering system but that may be an individual review with my own take on it. Hopefully my words are gold to some people. Some people want to see a side by side but yea, that is a rare focal length.
the sensor is dirty on the Sony
Yup. it is. All of the sony have this issue.
Question not relating to this video but still new to your channel and wonder if you got a video on why someone should consider Pentax - i think i saw you mentioned that pentax just have a massive selection of lens but what's the future of pentax really and where they are in the general photography business of things or what's the future and what they are going for in their newest cameras. like for example the fuji as a small company is developing their video capabilities as the xt3 is their first solid step in to the genre so i dont really know where pentax is going from that reference haha
thanks
Oh you want like a more of the business of their future kind of video. I dont have one of those yet but I am planning to talk about their future release of the lenses that is coming out in 2020 and this could lead up to things . Alright you have me thinking as well. I do have a few ideas but it will boil down to on how well their next camera is going to do. Let me research~!
So you are selling Sony. That means I will not be seeing a Sony 200-600 with Pentax 560mm shootout :( Enjoyed this video.
Bahahaha now you are tempting me to keep it. my my my.... you are stiring the pot!! lol..
Mirrorless problems
Bahaha yes, I was literally just spraying and praying with the lag/blackout.
For photography use Pentax and for video use Sony. Try using Pentax lenses on Sony and vice versa.
That will be interesting idea actually. Good call there!
Though that KP has no AA filter and 6xxx Sony's does.That might explain detail level get and looks smeared on Sony.Anyway if you are in the birding then I would go with CaNikon.
Could be possible and also the image of the Sony tends to be brighter, which is due to the high light transmission issue that I have seen of late. The Nikon Vs Pentax is under way in 2020!
@@theCameraVille I assume you used light meter for exposure and not only ISO (db gain) ?
If everyone was shooting Sony the air quality would much better. No more dust in the air. 🤣
LOL!!oh man... Yea, I had to blow the dust 2 times during my testing in a day because it just kept getting in. I was amaze how bad it was. How do sony shooter live with this stuff lol. I think that new A7riv is reported to have this as well.
Oh man.. so many mistakes - in short: if you want to do comparison, you need to set some rules and stick on them. Like - everything have some purposes.. Now you can do review a6100 vs a6600 with same lens :O :D. Or if you want to test sharpness, test it on same focal lenght / if you want to test focus, use a6600 (a6400). //Price tag problem?//
Em Key Wouldnt make any difference as user exeperience would be the same.
And just a note: I am pretty interested now to see some real comparison to be honest. Do another one please, some scientifically more accurate.
Good job! Keep posting. Point people to your Flickr page or something..
I shall do that soon. Thank your for stopping by and checking out the channel!
Put that 100-400 on Sony a6400, 6500 or 6600 and it will deliver the best in class AF.
Not really because they are preparing a new A7000, apsc baby A9. With that in mind, these A6000 series af is very good on large subjects, birds behind simple background but with complexity on moving subject in a busy background, it goes haywire. Also factor in the dust that gets in the camera, the shorter focal distance, 450mm > 400MM and of course the color science and poor dynamic range in the entire A6000 line up, poor battery life, Its safe to say that Sony did this on purpose.
The new A7000 will be the stable and will be impressive. The A6000 series , It has 4k , eye tracking and other dslr dont. In the end, really up to the shooter on their want and needs.
What the heck is that popping sound throughout your video?!?
Tony Pruden Its exactly what you mentioned. Poping!
the CameraVille there’s too many. It’s a bit distracting from your message
Good job comparing Pentax with the lowest end Sony a6100 and make people believe in your nonsense. Nobody who shoots birds uses a6100.
Shang-Hsien Yang Thank you for further proving my point. Nobody should be shooting bird photography with a Sony. That is nonsense lol.
@@theCameraVille Sony a9II and a9 are one of the best camera with bird photography, people are taking amazing shots comparable to the Canon 1DX, 7D2, Nikon D500 and D5. I have tried the K1 and it has trouble providing reliable AF even for event photography. Pentax is one of the worst choice in the entire industry. You're simply spreading misinformation.
I don't like Sony, but there is a something wrong here. The Sony lens is great, but on A9. Sony weighs 1400g and Pentax 2000g. The fact that GM is made for a mirrorless has nothing to do with it. The Sony A6100 is terrible, Sony A6600 is much better, but the sensor is the same(dynamic range is not great). It is more expensive, but who will care about the difference of 300-500$ for body at 2000 -2500$ for the lens. You forgot about one more huge difference. BUFFER DEPTH. about 10 shots - Pentax vs 33 Sony A6100 or 100 shots Sony a6600. The autofocus on the Sony A6600 is clearly better. I switched from d500 and d750 to Oly M1mii. If you want apsc for wildlife or sport then buy d500, not xt3 or sony.For m43 M1mii will be the best choice( much better rhen g9) The lenses are amazing and body is great. There is no difference in IQ if you publish to the web or print A3/A3+ even with iso 6400.
Please people stop with pixel peeping.
This video is based on Apsc as I stated in the video and the weight in mind is a reminder that mirror less system are light in general, cant shoot a photo without a body. I dont think people will go out with just the lens. Its the overall package.
I think people all have different money issue in investing on glass and not everyone is the same so given the price tag is a real give or take issue. If you take a closer look at the video, I mentioned about the FPS already in the video, which doesnt need anymore in depth conversation about buffer which will lead to SD card and etc. We need to generalize the information because viewers want it short and sweet.
I totally disagree on you with the D500 because you didnt state a lens with the body, plus you are suggesting a 20 mp camera from 4 years ago by nikon which has dynamic range issue. I sold mines long ago. M43 would be a terrible choice for a pro photographer given the dynamic range issue. I shoot morning to night and I had the olympus before and now the lumix. M43 only shines during good lighting and certain hours of the day. Beginners camera system.
Your last statement suggest we will all post online only so people need to stop pixel peeping. You clicked on a pixel peeping video. I'm not sure where does the irony starts but it is starting.