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This video can either kill your drive to hit gm or fuel it
if it kills your drive you never had it in the first place
@@tired9494you also have to add in the factor that some people would rather invest all that wasteful time into earning money unless your goal is to get into the esports
@@daddydaycare3498 cope
@@daddydaycare3498 or have a life besides videogames or money, witch for what is the world right now, it's harder to get money than getting to grand master.
@@tired9494 I don't think that's necessarily true. I definitely had it back in 2018 and got pretty close too, I just don't have it anymore
Thank you spilo, after hitting gm, it’s now time to get gm at rizz
(High jacking your top comment)
I hit GM2 not long ago and I really enjoyed the process, I love OW and it’s heroes, but I’m now moving on.
I’m moving on not because I don’t like the game, but because I don’t like it’s developers and how blizzard doesn’t see all OW could be, it saddens me.
I’ve now switched to Valorant and I’m enjoying learning a whole different game, it’s fun and refreshing.
@@angellopez5315 valorant sucks ass, play csgo
how long did it take to go from plat>masters>gm
@@Reevobxz took me a few years cus I had a bad mentality when I was young and didn’t improve super quickly because of it
i believe i have the mentality to improve, i could be wrng cause i do let my emotions get to me sometimes after a loss. i dont think I really focus on what I should be doing fundamentally to be correct. do u know a good way to replace a habit with good ones in the game?@@yisa3615
Once I get out of silver 3 it’s so over for all those top 500 virgins
Look out Top 500 cuz pants4you just hit Silver 2 and he’s coming for your rank next
@@jacobishere5189 look the fuck out
@@jacobishere5189LMAO
“Find something in your life and be grandmaster at that instead” Thanks for that I honestly think this will stay with me for a long time. You really are a good motivator thanks for all the tips and advice but I definitely need at least a break from ow. Thanks for helping me realize that.
when you said that you were always playing qp and were scared to play ranked, then hit gm and stopped playing ranked is so relatable to me, that is literally what happened to me right now.
to add onto that, the reason I don't play is that I am very scared to play ranked
Same here LUL
I kinda get you both, but at the same time, dont be scared to Q up and see where your skill currently is. And if someone who 1. Has a private Profile or 2. Has only been playing ranked since OW2 tries to flame you, ignore them. They just want to shift the blame onto others, thinking they would be GM if it wasnt for you.
@@heiko2255 yeah. just bite the bullet. anyone flaming you isnt worth your time and fact is it doesnt matter what you do youll get flamed just the same if you were bronze or diamond.
I never got how someone can be "scared" to play ranked. I used to not play it just because I had no motivation to seriously grind the gamemode and improve so instead I just stayed in QP so I wasnt in an area where I felt like I would hold people back. But to be scared? Like from what I understand QP players and ranked players can be equally toxic and be equally as competitive so is the fear just getting a rank and losing it? Surely if you are that rank you will keep it or maybe get it back if it does go away. Ig there is just no real reason to me why someone should be afraid to queue up ranked if they genuinely want to play the game for improvement
Hitting gm taught me a ton about myself, brought out the best in me by exposing the worst in me, gave me new confidence, and helped me understand the learning process. There are plenty of other hobbies and skills that will bring out the same in people, but I'm glad I finally found something that works for me. As long as you love the process, keep at it! Otherwise it's perfectly okay to find something else where that journey is enjoyable the entire way through.
Gm is basically diamond now
@@PeaceMastahthat is definitely not true, I’d say GM5 is around 3.8-3.9k. Sure it’s lower because there’s so many new players, but at most it would have lowered to high maybe mid masters.
@@PeaceMastah lmao
Genuinely thank you. I have been pushing to break into masters and I hit d2 and it just breaks down. The game is painful to play for me now and I do need to start trying to put that drive into other areas of my life. If I can go from silver to the cusp of masters, I can do a lot more than just be good at overwatch. Thank you Spilo
You mean getting to the top 1% of a competitive discipline isn't something the majority of players will do? :P Very good video nonetheless. Thank you Spilo, very cool!
No….
That is not what he means, at least I don’t think, that is what Spilo means. It is the view of a coach and what is interesting for a coach to know, is WHY? Not does noone wants to be GM? That’s an easy answer.
He literally makes this point 6mins in
@@Taziod Yes, that's the joke. The title is self-evident from a logical evaluation of the math involved. Nonetheless, it's worthwhile to go into the details of why and what that means. Spilo articulated it well.
@@justrecentlyi5444you think you're logical huh? You think you're a rational and math knowing person huh?? You think you you think you're smart!? This is the TH-cam comment section sir now go there and think about your behavior.
As someone who coaches music artists on content, this is such valuable insights even outside of OW. Love it man
Bro dropped a poetic piece of important information that was done in one take. Bros GM in advice giving
honestly this video is exactly what i needed. ive been trying to improve and rank up at overwatch since ow2 came out and for the last 2 months ive been stuck at the same rank and havent been able to figure out why. no matter what i tried to improve on it felt like even if i improved at one thing it felt like something else got worse and this video helped me realize its because ive lost the enjoyment in the process. overwatch, like an instrument or a language, is a skill or an art that isnt an end goal but a process that doesnt end until you want it to and for me the end is losing the enjoyment in the process. it was fun while i enjoyed it and i dont plan on not playing the game anymore but im probably not going to improve past where i am now very much and thats ok. i do appreciate the amazing advice youve given me and thousands of others over the last few months and in my opinion you are the best overwatch coach out there.
the main takeaway for me is that you need to enjoy the process of improving at any skill and not focus too much on the end goal bc for most skills of a scale like GM on overwatch cant be thought of as an end goal and if that isnt something you enjoy then it just isnt for you and thats okay.
the "that's totally fine" part is something i needed to hear, thanks. it really is easy to fall into the trap of taking it too seriously or placing too much self-worth into it. i don't really think i have the drive to hit gm in overwatch, but i'm gonna look to do it in fighting games. They're the only game that i've consistently never felt like I had to "make the sacrifice for" like you said, since i've always went out of my way to get better, practice, or figure out new ways to look at the game. Maybe Overwatch was that for me back when it first released, but not anymore
0:01 WOW spilo that hit me like a truck
super valuable perspective, I always appreciate seeing your approach not only to the game, but to coaching and learning and to having a healthy mindset at doing so. always love the vids
Great video. Your absolute candor about the commitment it takes is refreshing. I've stopped grinding as hard and have dedicated more time to learning guitar, bass and singing. Too much of a grind without a practically applicable skill being trained.
This is a great video, I was scrimming 4500 for what felt like ages and I realized the reason I wasn’t going anywhere from there was due to lack of motivation, playing 10 games a season and only logging on for our daily scrims just wasn’t how to improve, came to an understanding recently that without motivation to play the game I’m never going to contenders or beyond that and decided to move on to coaching because I honestly just lost love for playing overwatch, honestly I’m glad you posted this because I know a lot of players and old teammates that were on the same wavelength as myself.
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yeah man i just lost my drive nearly entirely to play this game competitively anymore, the patches recently have just made the game less fun for me and i cant see myself playing it in a competitive way until it changes which might never happen, i hit gm in overwatch 2 season 8 and then the season 9 hp and bullet size changes in particular are what caused me to start hating the game competitively... its fun now and then to play quickplay with friends or even on my own for a bit but i cant even do that for more then a couple hours without getting angry at all the changes that have been made to the game i once wholeheartedly loved
I can definitely agree on the motivation part. I hit gm1 a couple months ago and snuck into t500 right before lifeweaver was put in ranked but I haven't played the game at all since Queen buffs and the PvE incident. I've only been playing in scrims because competitive is such dogshit rn and playing with my friends and teammates is the only real motivator anymore. I still want to scrim higher and higher (4.1-4.2 cur) but the magic of ranked is really gone now.
Thank you for this. It helps for outside the game.
I think this is what scares me the most: I actually do really enjoy OW. It's quite possibly my favorite thing to do, and ranking up has been a goal for me since about 2018. I'm always watching guides, I play almost daily, mostly comp with the active intention of picking out my mistakes and improving them. I work on my mechanics (Despite a certain recent popular coach telling people they don't matter), I work on my positioning, I work on reading the flow of fights. And yet after five years of grinding, I'm still hardstuck gold. Despite the fact that OW is pretty much all I like to do anymore, and it's what I've put the most time into in recent years, I'm still dogshit. I love the game but I always feel worse about my life after playing it because if this is what five years of actually trying looks like, that doesn't bode well for the rest of my life and any other endeavors I may pursue, none of which I've ever felt the same internal motivation for.
Don't let a shitty matchmaker and ranking system impact your self worth or motivation IRL. The fact that you devoted time and real hard effort to improve at something you're passionate about and enjoy says all I need to know about you to know your self doubts are unfounded. I am proud of you, and you should be too ☺️
What do you play man
@@Ahrone1586 Bap and Brig, Zen on occasion.
@@SomeoneElse761 ok so, don't take this the wrong way but, maybe you just have bad luck... see there is so much you can do being a support, especially in lower elos, you might be loosing a ton of games because you don't have a consistent quality of tank and dps players, in overwatch 2 if your tank is bad or the enemy tank is way better than yours then that match is good as lost, there is so much you can do.
And I'm telling you this has a main tank, being the only tank on the team puts a loot of preassure because if you die, your team is done for.
@@Nightmare704RY "Bad luck" are you serious? You can get to GM with every single character in every single role and carry rounds. things like Elo Hell doesnt really exist. yeah sure i could believe that you are getting some "impossible games" because of an leaver or something like that but that shouldnt happen consistently
Very well said Spilo and excellent delivery on the context of life. Recently we've seen an influx of this negative mindset approach and not only does this effect you, but your energy spreads onto others and as a result their performance can wane as well. Work on becoming the best version of yourself so that you can bring out the best in others.
Damn dude, I came across your videos just by searching "soldier 76 tips". Your way of speaking and teaching had me intrigued due to your method of actually being pretty blunt and honest. I only started playing OW with the release of OW2. With about 5 hours of comp right now, I am currently Gold 5. I am not too serious about OW, but I do enjoy FPS game in general and like picking this up when I'm taking a break from Valorant (hardstuck Ascendent on that game). I wish someone with your personality actually existed in Valorant, because I paid for coaching for that game last year. While I did improve, going up 2 rank skills from Platinum to Ascendent, I never thought that my coach was actually the reason I improved. Gaming, esports, competitive is pretty much solely driven on mindset and that alone can take you far in anything in life. Shouts out to you for pretty much being very transparent in your ways of teaching someone, thats what folks need if they truly intend on improving. Subscribed and looking forward to more of your content.
I started playing overwatch at the launch of ow2 with my friends with the specific goal of reach gm with them because i havent played competitive games with them in years and one of them always said i dont because im not good at those games. I wanted to prove him wrong and so far i kinda hit a ceiling at master 5 which is much higher than any of my friends thought id get but i still want to touch gm at least once. I think the game is fun and i enjoy it but i told them id definitely be playing the game a lot less after i reach my goal. I just want the satisfaction of saying that i spent time playing the type of games my friends like and i can be pretty good at those games but i simply have more varied interest in general. If i cant hit gm in a year and a half though i may just have to concede
keep grinding, you've got this.
This motivated me to get back into the grind, hit Grandmaster yesterday. Great video as always.
Thanks Spilo. Never really thought about it. It's just a dream of sorts that I'd like to hit but I don't expect myself to get there. I hadn't been enjoying OW this past year but this season I've been playing much more Ranked (I have 1000's of hours into QP but not even 100 in ranked lol) and I can say that while it's still a struggle these past few days have been somewhat fun. I was gold tank and support in OW1 but since OW2 I couldn't get past Silver 3. Today I was doing what I did yesterday and just Flex Qued. Got tank and went from Silver 2 to 90% of the way to Gold 5. Lost a match but when winning I've been getting 50-70% increase while only losing maybe 24% at most. I'm confident that I can make it but the thing is I'm actually having some moderate fun where even the one game I lost I didn't tilt. That's a major buff to how it's been until now. I feel like I am enjoying it right now. Just never realized that I'm doing better by not caring as much and just going with the flow. thank you.
by far one of my favorite videos! ♡
About 20 seasons ago, I peaked 4.2k and maintained it for a couple of seasons. Those seasons were my burnout seasons. I lost joy in the game.
Everyone wants to rank up, but once you reach those sweaty top500 lobbies… the game just isnt fun anymore. Unless you enjoy GRINDING and are an extremely competitive person. That’s just not me. I play overwatch to have fun. I’m happy with chilling in diamond/low masters these days. Casual gaming is good gaming
This. It even extends into quick play: if you're super high rank and it boosts your MMR accordingly, then your QP games are likely gonna be pretty sweaty at the very least. Then, when you have to play QP like it's comp, why would you enjoy it at all?
@@flyingfox3296 or just get low level lobbies and enjoy destroying the enemies, with full autopilot
This is your best video yet. Very good points and very good advice. Putting self worth on a rank in a game you play, maybe a lot of but just play without focus is not ideal. I just like quickplay I still try to improve there and play properly, that’s just who I am. I don’t flame anyone. It’s all about sacrifice as you said and what’s worth it. Thanks man
During covid when I was laid off for 6-7 months, I took the time to really grind the game and get better. Gave me something to focus on while being home (working in the food industry was tough during this time). I was hovering from 3400-3600 on tank, but with a lot of self review and mechanics training i was able to reach around 4.2(even though it was on rein haha). I loved the grind but once i started getting owl pros in my games, you just see how much better they are, and it’s really demotivating tbh. It’s fun playing in top 500 elo but sometimes it’s really hard to do the right things all the time, especially when your favorite characters are out of meta. In ow2 ive hit gm 3 with rein and sigma and when games are good, they are really fun, but when toxicity happens it really turns me off the game. Ive had fun but I can’t really see me grinding for that anymore, but I can say it was fun!! Especially since this was the first game ive it “GM” on and played seriously competitively. Great video man. You know it’s thought provoking when everyone is sharing their story’s.
spot on as always... GO SPILO
I was thinking about quitting ow2 today. Thanks for making the decision easier.
good for you
Congrats
Enjoy freedom brother. The rest of us will cheer for your success.
I was a top 500 tank player when I was in college (so season 3-7,8 of OW1) and it mattered so much to me.
But afterwards, I just stopped playing the game for 6 years. I recently came back in because I noticed they made so many good changes, but this time around only playing with friends casually in quickplay.
I realized how vain and slightly pointless my commitment to being good at OW was, but one thing I got from it was a confidence that if I put my heart to something, I can be the best at it. This certainly translate to work for me nowadays.
I still love watching pro play and understanding set ups though. That shit doesn't get old.
Thanks Spilo, this is exactly what I needed to hear.
I tried to get to GM in OW1 from 2017 - 2020, I was always around Masters and when i finally got a better connection which made my ping go from 100 -> 40 and made my disconnects and countless SR penalties go away, I hit GM 3 Months later. After that i was satisfied, I didnt really try to push T500 because the game was in it "Dead" phase cause of OW2 development, but I told myself I will grind OW2 to become T500 there.
Fast forward they announce 5v5, im very sceptical because my main role (tank) is now completly flipped on its head, but I was willing to give it a chance. I played the beta and I must say, 5v5 is fucking horrible, well atleast for Tanks. It took all the fun out of the role for me, the Teamplay with your other tank, being alone when trying to protect teammates, it just feels ass to play. I cant do an engage and protect my backline at the same time, its too much stuff to do for 1 tank.
I lost my motivation to reach a high rank in OW2, but just by playing normally i still reach GM on every role. The ranked system is a big problem for me aswell, i somehow got GM on DPS by going 5 - 7 or something, SR was way better, more transparent and you knew when you would hit T500.
I wanted to be motivated to grind, I wanted to be T500 and have awesome matches, because thats why I love the game. These moments of insane teamplay and comms between you and your mates, the insane pop off moments when even a Supp does something crazy. With 5v5 it just doesnt feel the same anymore.
I think I still love the game, but man the past few years I was so excited to see OW at the top again and to just come home and grind the shit out of it, but now I only play a few games, dont feel much excitement and i logout.
This turned into a rant, oops.
this all just sounds like a massive skill issue + cope. might just be me though
@@nexty---dude what?
@@lPkPkers He's right that the ranked system is complete garbage, but tank not being fun in ow2 compared to ow1 is just massive cope. Tank has gotten buffed a lot, and generally become a way more fun and impactful role. You don't need to "engage and protect your backline at the same time" like ? mby just become better and learn how the game works, it's not that hard.
@nexty--- I agree with some of what you are saying, and yes tank is stronger now in ow2 and feels more impactful
@@nexty--- Im literally GM on every role and im not even saying that Tank is weak. Its just less fun to play. Removal of the synergies and 6v6 Team Fights really took out a lot of fun for me.
And what i mean with "engage and protect your backline" is, if you for example run in with rein and your backline gets completly obliterated by 2 flanking dps, you have no chance on helping them. In 6v6 i could have an Off Tank helping my backline, but now im alone and if you make a mistake as tank you lose. Add the permanent counter swapping and that if you die as tank the fight is basically lost and it makes, for me atleast, the game 3x less fun.
Good for you guys that you like it, but I could not wish for anything more than a well balanced 6v6.
Very encouraging 🌌
Good video - I love playing it even now, I enjoy good game play and as such would like to rise.
Dude thank you so much I was starting to actually think something was wrong with me. I would be hitting crazy accuracy on hitscan, make insane team wipes, do sick plays that look cool and think "how am I not higher than Diamond" and I never once thought that maybe I'm not actually supposed to hit GM. Maybe a lot of my gameplay is GM level but hitting GM doesnt actually do anything when it comes down to it.
I got back into ow after a loooong break, I peaked at 4340 in season 6 and thought to myself "hmmmh I'm gonna grind to gm again" it was fun initially but my enjoyment has gone down a bit and this video popped up at the perfect time. What do I gain from reaching gm again? Nothing. A good and healthy realization, the video's on point
And yet every element from every video of yours that I watched so far I used in games last night, and it worked. Just finished the ball video, on 2, and you are right. Keep the mind fresh and only play for a few hours. That's what's important to always be thinking about concepts.
tattooing "diamond at 1000 skills instead of grandmaster at a few" across my chest
It doesn't matter what rank you are, you can still learn something from Spilo. I hope this encourages more players to become coaches so I can learn something new from them too.
Im a current GM, i play the game probably 6 hours a day, maybe 8-12 hours on weekends. Ive stopped playing comp, and play an insane amount of QP now. I enjoy memeing on players, and i enjoy the lack of toxicity in QP.
I also enjoy playing with my friends, but when we play together we like to play ranked. The problem? Were all GM players, so we cant play with eachother. So we routinely make new accounts, and essentially uber smurf till we hit masters 1, usually 2-3 hours. We then make new accounts and do it again. We enjoy climbing, but eventually you hit the top of the ladder and all you can do is run it again. I would have motivation to grind top 100 or top 10 or something if i could play with my friends. I guess for me, i lost motivation upon hitting GM, because the mechanics of GM made it so i cant cooperate with my friends.
I like to think that our smurf accounts are like a protest against GM stacking rules. I am excited for the 5v5 gamemode coming out next season. Until then, i guess im contributing to the smurfing issue. We could play qp, but theres no progression for us.
Once I found my main and left voice chat I could just enjoy my games I ranked up so quickly also a little help from rank inflation.
This was pretty much how I climbed in ow and hit top500 for the first time. It was the more I matured mentally then mechanically is when I started to climb. Due to my adhd I can be very self critical this can be double edged sword as I will want to be and play perfect or do something right the first time. This can either make me play passively or play out of my damn mind.
But once I have my mind set on something I will get it. I think the most valuable thing in order for me to climb was mental and indifference to external factors like teams and more of a introspective look on how I could have played better even if it wouldn’t have won me the the game.
Gladwell's book, Outliers: The Story of Success, the principle states that in order to become world class (GM) in any field, you need 10,000 hours of deliberate practice
I completely agree that players "learning" don't actually learn simply because they're not actually working on the things they should work on. They just play the way they're used to. The reason for that is that there are so many areas to work on (positioning, ability use, target priority, timing, mechanics, synergies, compositions etc.) and it's hard to improve in so many areas at the same time.
I'm taking a different approach in my learning tho. I'm just focusing on positioning. Positioning, positioning, positioning. There's nothing else in this game for me right now than positioning. I'm going to force positioning down my throat so hard that I'll do perfect positioning even with blindfolds on while playing jazz piano with my feet. Because when I'm able to do that, only then I'll be able to start learning another area without letting my positioning go back to rust.
Hitting gm is something reserved for people who play for sport. Over watch is my one and only hobby outside of the gym. so most of my free time goes into it. Which is why I’m gm. Very niche scenario and not for everyone.
my goal for the longest time has been hitting masters on tank in ow1. and after an eternity being hardstuck in diamond, i finally hit masters multiple times within the last couple of seasons. now in ow2, i main support. and while i hit masters relatively easily 2 seasons in a row already, my goal hasnt changed: after hitting masters, i dont really want to put in more time and effort to hit gm. i enjoy overwatch, sometimes more and sometimes less so. but masters really is that end goal for me. i was so happy when i hit it both on tank and support, but i immediately knew that thats where my improvement shall end. i dont feel insecure about not improving past masters. i am content with that rating.
Yea after i hit gm1 on flex supp i thought it would be cool to hit top 500 but after that there is really not more to do unless you go on path to pro
Im hopelessly addicted to the headshot sound
My hot take: Most Overwatch players dont want to grind a competitive team game. They stll do it, but they dont realize that it isnt what they want.
thanking you for telling me im not going to get gm. Cause now im going to get it even faster just to prove you wrong
Thanks Spilo! Mwaa 😘
Honestly had the worst day of ow ive had in ages. Worst one i can right now remember. I main doomfist right now, and my mental health is terrible, these two things don't go well togther. I used to be silver 5 on tank, since i didnt play ranked much on any role and wasnt very good, and then after playing a lot of doom, i tried to play almost only doomfist in ranked for like 2 weeks since i like tankfist. I reached masters 5 without deranking once. I'm not crazy gud, but sometimes i am, and in non pop off moments, im ok. Maybe its a waste of time putting this much detail into this but fuck it ive made this my main game for a largeeee amount of the past 6 years. Playing doomfist with how many counters and bugs there are, plus doomfist being prolly one of the hardest and weakest heroes, its miserable right now. Unless im popping off a ton, its not enjoyable, its just not. I honestly believe if i commited myself to this game for longer and even more signifcantly, i could get better, maybe into high master or above, but i dont think its worth it mentally. I need to take a break from ow. Unless the balance team gains a few more braincells (hopefully getting into positive number of brain cells), this game is not fun as a tank player. Oh yeaaa forgot to mention, zen, discord orb, no. I know discord orb is bouta be nerfed, still, cass nade and mei primary, it literally goes against the dev teams own/old ow2 philosphy of less cc. As doom this shi is miserable. I coulda had a 4k punch off the map maybe, nope, cass nade said u have to bait out my cooldown and then make something work in that time frame before i get it backoff cooldown, oh wait did u forget sleep dart, or sombra hack. Yes u can out play it, yes its partially a skill issue, but also yes the balancing is extremely terrible for doom. You have to be insanely perfect with how u play to deal with counters. Add in a bit of terrible mental health, some solo emps, teammates saying switch even tho i am good at doom and got to this rank as doom, and can in fact win against countersfrequently.. its miserable. For the few people who may read this, sorry for the rant/vent. Sometimes im told to switch and the match isnt even being lost by that much or for that long. If ur not perfect, and popping off, doom is miserable. In general this community, is constantly pointing fingers every match instead of looking at themself because in the end, we all mess up, have bad games, and wanna win. No ones perfect, getting mad at teammates tilts u and them in my opinion. I was gonna say i love this game, but when it comes down to it i love what this game could be and what it is at its best. I should honestly work on will power to make myself do school work, to go to the gym, and do more shi thats not online. I've been struggling with mental health for years now, and maybe taking a break from overwatch would help. I wish I could spend more time to get better, while enjoying the game, but i cant do both. Maybe i could play it casually, but maybe thats for the future. Ngl as a side note, this situation with ow reminds me of another part of my life i feel similar ish things about, and i hate that it makes me feel like the next thing that may happen in my life is taking a huge break from that part. This is straight up venting now sorry. However, that part of my life, in my opinion the struggles are worth it, and since they are in my control and not stupid blizzard, im gonna keep going, but, im gonna try focus more on just me. If you read all of this hi hello and hope you have a great whatever time it is for you now. Random last thought- I want to hit GM in taking care of myself, and making the right choices, instead of with playing a game that even hitting GM in, wont really matter at all. I'm already decent, ive already improved, and i already know this game doesnt deserve my time. I've already been playing some other single player games lately, tbh i think games in general i dont play for fun, i play to win and complete, and that is something i want to change. One day i may return. Hopefully this time, for fun, with a pc that isnt kinda bad, maybe ill stream, maybe i wont.
I went from Silver to master through coaching vids. I'm master 2, but I've hit a roadblock and I found myself in the same mental roadblock as before where I feel like I'm falling back into the trap of "its my teammates, it's a tank dif" every game. So I haven't played comp a in a while because idk where to go from here right now.
godly advice
One of the greatest OW youtubers out there !
"Why not be Diamond at a thousand skills"
I loved this, truly. It's kind of my point of view. Love your videos!
Thank you for reminding me theres more to life
It’s so true that there’s other more worthwhile skills to build. I was stuck in gold for a long time & then I reached diamond, and I still like the game and I love improving at it-but I have a career in tech and I personally had to make the decision to start putting my time & effort into my career instead.
I still wish I had the time to put into reaching GM but having a fancy badge isn’t worth as much as an IRL promotion.
Funnily enough. Overwatch 2 (emphasis on the 2) is the first FPS game I seriously get hooked on and am trying, I feel motivated to try every day, and I have fun doing so, regardless of being stuck in bronze. I have improved a lot, and I probably started comp earlier than I should've, which made climbing out of bronze 5 an uphill battle, but for the last 2 seasons, I've been able to maintain a positive winrate and currently sit consistently between bronze 1 and 2.
My goal is to reach Diamond, with that, I'll be happy.
It reminds me of a Reddit post in the overwatch2 sub. Do you read some of those, Spilo?
Thanks, though, for this. Very insightful and supportive comments..
i loved the game and would make any sacrifice, and went from bronze to t500/gm1, but then in upper OD matches i just didnt enjoy it, the pressure and intensity required and meta strictness and lack of time to do other things i liked, like coaching, got to me so i quit my path to pro. hurts, but i know i wouldnt be able to beat people who still had passion. finding that drive and motivation for something is probably the most difficult part of a skill.
I hit GM5 as a new ow2 player thanks to your videos thanks man
For me, it's never really been about hitting gm. It's always been about improving. I want to be better than I was yesterday, last week, a month ago. It's about fixing the mistakes I'm making. It's satisfying to me when I realize I'm holding my own against better players than I used to. If I hit GM, I'm not sure I'd keep playing to be honest. If there's no goal, there's no motivation.
i always found that disconnect strange between gaming coaching and every other coaching field. Most people i ask find it stupid to give someone money "just" to learn a computer game better but are instantly willing to invest money right from the start when playing guitar or tennis while they clearly never planned to become even decent at any of those. Getting coached at overwatch makes playing overwatch more fun and that is my main motivator why i buy coaching sessions (even tho not from spilo).
i hit gm1 during inflation and im currently a m1 player and i really dont feel theres a reason to grind more than this .
the orginised comp play scene is poor and theres way more money in other games and if i keep grinding and keep gm no one care becouse everybody call it inflation so theres no real goal with it
I want to go back to plat /:
I’m a wrestling coach now after wrestling for 13 years. I also hit GM on overwatch, get GM on OV but also make time for other hobbies that have real life skill.
Beeing at the top would be nice, but as a person I'm always too distracted to do that in anything. I get new hobbies too quickly, I get bored of things so fast. But I aim to be above average at everything I do, and this video has reminded me of that goal and gave me a new drive to grind comp.
Masters or GM? I will probably get bored way before that point, but I'll have time to hit diamond. Maybe high diamond if the game keeps feeling fun
thanks
+10 to integrity, respect
been struggling with this can hit top 100 every season pretty easily solo q no comms but then just lose all motivation seems a shame cause feels like a waste of something i could push more.
I’m 50/50 with Overwatch. I love hybrid/escort but hate koth and push. I love the gameplay overall but I can’t stand this counter hero aspect of the game. I think the game is a lot more fun when the heroes are more one trickable and yes, you can for sure. However some heroes are more counter able then others or just are so bad right now you can’t play them into certain things and I don’t think you can ever fix these problems completely, but that’s where I stand.
Even bigger reason stopping me from ranking is being punished by not being able to play with my friends. If I rank up I get out of their range even if I played all my games with them, this still happens which I don’t understand but yeah can’t play together then. Even if we played together and get to the higher ranks together eventually we can only duo so someone is left out or the group is split 50/50. That’s not fun.
So at the end of the day, we are encouraged to not rank up more than rank up. Quick play just doesn’t have the same feel as comp for many reasons, but it also ruins the two modes I said I love because you only play attack or defense. You don’t get to switch sides and try to out do the other. Anyways longer comment then I intended as always
Iv been top 500 3 different seasons. Currently stuck floating from GM to masters. Any tips?
jokes on you i’m already gm
I feel like in the end your talking about complacency, am not okay wit that, might not hit gm but I'm not giving up any time soon
got masters on my main role support and top 500 on open queue eu. kinda enough for me after i was stuck in gold plat for quite long. now i play from time to time but don't grind comp anymore. at least for now
the equivalent for gm in ow2 is gm1/2 but more like t500(if you play enough)
I hit GM during OW1 after a good few months of dedication, but upon hitting GM I lost almost all interest in the game because there just wasn't any meaningful goals anymore. Sure I could try for top 500, or try for GM on other roles, but hitting GM is a one time feeling. Motivation is everything.
im gm all roles but game sux now so I gave up on pushing to get top500 back
I used to be such a little toxic sht, i reached masters as dps, almost hit gm a few times and i was hating on the balance team, other players, heros and tons of stuff that didnt actually matter, and i recently realised that the higher you go in overwatch and really any live service competitive game, you are less happy as everything sucks more, youre more resticted and this causes you to lash out at stuff in the game that maybe is fun but isnt exactly good for a competitive game and i think overwatch is at its best when youre just picking what you like in lower ranks.
So at this point i dont care if something is actually broken like suzu, all i want is for the annoying stuff that makes my gold friends put the hame down to be removed, and i think thats where the dev teams focus should be, just making most players happy as i legitimately dont think you can make masters and up happy, coming from someone who has been ib that mind set, we will never be happy as long as the game plays like overwatch.
But i definitely agree that reaching those ranks isnt for everyone, its not as fun as people think, especially in overwatch where each rank can feel like an entirely new game with how different the meta and heros are from each other based on the rank
You smurfing in gold with your friends? Hmm...
Need a Tank main that used to be 2.9k on Ow1 and now is stuck on gold 5? 😅
@@maxwella.gamingps4631 not really I just dont counter swap and i fell down a few ranks lol, I mean its pretty easy to fall in ow if you start just playing what you want and dont sweat your actual balls off.
I mean I used to have tape on my floor to remind me where my gaming chair should be 😂 so I mostly just dont try hard or counter swap, even if I'm losing miserably, if I wanna play doom I'm gonna play doom. So I'm more so washed rather than smurfing I think.
@@SandlerShephord Ahh haha you are like me. I am a Rein main and well... 8 out of 10 games rhe enemy tank is an Orisa, whether from the beginnig, or he swapped after getting diffed. Zary is my second main but I dont have as much fun with her as Rein. I do miss the 6v6 for the Zarya Rein combo 😭
For now, i am satisfied if i reach gold or platinum, that will most likely mean that I significantly improved as a player on my role and characters i like, I don't know if I'll interested in reaching diamond or even masters, only time will tell
The biggest problem with ranking up is frustration. Like you say, you need some form of motivation to improve. And the biggest motivation killer is frustration. Tho you think it doesnt kill the motivation because you madly think: 'i need to try another game again and not lose this time!' It seems like this thinking is based on motivation but it is not. Those emotions are purely based on your frustration, and the motivation is far gone. The problem is it is almost impossible to not get frustrated when you try to rank up in bog numbers. Thats my point of view.
This video inspired me to turn off my pc and go to the gym thank u spilo
i am just trying to get out of bronze, silver and gold without having to give up my fulltime job
Honestly, my goal isn't getting GM. My goal is to actually have a structure to my training, if you will. I have some of the abstracts like the 3 aspects to a good warmup routine (and that aim training isn't warmup but training itself), how many hours the brain can focus (5 hours), as well as an understanding on the importance of breaks, self-VoD Reviews, as well as things like the importance of good food and sleep. Heck, even a slight routine to get out of competitive anxiety by queueing Open Queue first.
What I really want is something that puts all of this together in a 5-6 hour block (depending on whether warmup takes up the 5 hour slot of focus or not). To me, lacking this feels like I don't even have the process, and watching your vids haven't really helped as even the warmup video didn't give any examples of what concrete warmup exercises to do. I would love seeing a video that combines these nuggets into a solid structure, especially for an autist like me who does need that highly structured routine.
At the end of the day aim training IS warmup as there's so much more to a match. Grinding competitive where you get your competitive anxiety is what will get rid of it. Vod reviews are nice but actually playing is a million times better, a bad habit people do is doing Vods/Aim training to avoid actually playing the game but feeling like they're improving, which isn't exactly untrue but it's such a small amount and ingame you're not actually going anywhere with that time.
This is just some stuff I've learned I've been top 500 OW1 and OW2
@@zombow I 100% agree.
@BlazeLycan I would advise against 'training' in a way that reflects some of the things that @zombow has said.
Please excuse me if I don't understand the crux of your comment but I see it like this:
The reason you train is to increase your rank.
To improve your rank, you need to play ranked.
If you're training, you're not playing.
Training is a means to an end and not the end itself.
If you are to train, it is not to be the majority of your time. That should be spent playing the game itself -- that in and of itself is the training. Ranked anxiety is not going to be fixed through vod reviews. Most ranked anxiety comes from feeling insecure about your rank and the feeling that you don't deserve it: well there's only one way to find out... by playing the game.
Feel free to devise a routine that fits the things you mentioned in, but playing the game should be the priority within that.
@@zombow It was mentioned in Spilo's video on warmup that Aim Training is not Warmup. I don't currently recall whether or not that was in the video itself, or in the description or pinned comment. In this case, I take the coach's word for it.
I do appreciate the concern regarding vod/training instead of playing, however from what I have gathered from Spilo's content, warmup should be about 10-30 minutes, VoDs about 20, and one of Spilo's vids was about that the brain can focus for about 5 hours max. Whether or not that includes the 30-50 minutes warmup+vod or not is a different story but if it it does, that would still be over 4 hours of game.
And the thing about playing is that I do not feel that I learn from playing at this point. I'm somewhere around M5-M3 for years now. If I just improved from playing then it has only been good enough to keep me in line with the improvement at the same rate of the rest of the community, keeping me stagnant. Part of that is that some degree of critical thinking does go to autopilot when I play which is normal, and the goal should be to improve that auto pilot so that it becomes a well advanced auto pilot, but at this point I feel like I do not gain enough new experience and just need to better knowledge and training to sharpen the edges.
@@benz. your analogy is flawed.
"The reason you train is to increase your rank.
To improve your rank, you need to play ranked.
If you're training, you're not playing.
Training is a means to an end and not the end itself. "
If true in spirit; Ukraine would be silly for having parts of their combat forces in Poland training with their new equipment, Gym buffs should cancel their memberships and become employees of moving or shipping companies, and competitive teams need not scrim and just dive head first into tournament play regardless of if they are amateurs grouped together 2 days ago or in OWL.
The flaws come down to your 2nd and 3rd premises which are faulty.
The 2nd premise don't show the entire picture. Yes, you have to play ranked to rank up, but the reason why that does not demonstrate the entire story is because it is one's own skill level relative to everyone else that determines your rank. That skill can be improved through other means than just playing ranked. There are anecdotes of people who completely forego ranked play in order improve in a scrim team, only for them to see rank ups when they do return to Ranked because they improved beyond their opponents. Likes wise are there examples of people who had 1 fixable mistake hinder the rest of their potential from shining through, only to climb massively once their own obstacle was removed. Improvement can be done via training.
The 3rd premise is faulty because that entirely depends on what kind of training it is. Aim Labs is not going to see play a game or Ranked, true, but if you are training DPS Moira or Zen only for 2 weeks, then that is training which also sees play, even if that costs you a few games. When I say training, it is more so the latter that I mean.
The reason I wish to establish a training routine with my play is because that adds more structure and a sense of purpose for me as an Autist and helps use all avenues to improve myself and eliminate inconsistencies which in turn can help me climb. That is why just establishing and maintaining such a routine is my goal, especially as that is completely lacking for me atm.
@@BlazeLycan Feel free to deconstruct my response but I am not here to debate you and I don't consider it a bloody debate LOL. To be totally honest with you, I haven't read much beyond the first paragraph and your final paragraph.
I offered that advice as I believe you're overcomplicating the approach to improvement. The reason I say that is because it seems way too over the top. I guess to give some credibility as to the things I say, I've been GM pretty much since I began playing the game in Season 3 OW1 and I have been consistently T500 since then and through to now. How I did that and continue to do that is simple: playing the damn game. The only time I ever VOD reviewed was when I was hard stuck 4350 and wanting to hit 4400+.
I'll repeat my advice in more general terms. To improve at the game, the best way is to play the game. All things outside of that are auxiliary. That does not mean they're not helpful. Simple enough.
I guess I am perplexed about the idea of a 'training routine'. What do you plan to train? Sitting and doing aim drills for hours on end? Looking at your VODs for hours on end?
If you need a structure, one that encapsulates 'training' is easy to devise.
1. Spend 15 minutes to 1 hour doing aim drills (aim labs, in game code , treating this as training your aim or warm up, doesn't matter.
2. Jumping into a quick play game or two to apply the aim training and to further warm up.
3. Play comp. Try to get at least 2 games in. The more the merrier. Remember to take breaks and do aim routines if it feels necessary throughout.
4. Finish comp. Wind down.
5. VOD review. Make sure this is purposeful and not just you simply watching it back and not actually reflecting.
All that can be done within a 5 hour 'focus period'.
If you want or care for my advice feel free to respond. If you wish to correct anything I've said with regard to my interpretation of what you said, feel free to do so. All of that is subject to the caveats found at the start of this response.
Makes sense. Maybe I’m destined to be the king of plat 1
exactly how i felt after i hit gm
Good message. Its a shame theres so much i enjoy about the game but theres so much that ruins it.
Ngl I rather enjoy the game as it is gameplay wise then focusing myself on the highest rank, the only thing that hurts now is seeing that u're stuck the same rank over and over (Diamond 1 for me) even after getting 5 wins and few (or even 0) loss
tbh all u have to do to get gm is be proactive. i went from plat to gm in 2-3 months by just making plays and taking risk
Yeah I was hard stuck silver in OW1 and at the start or OW 2 I climbed exponentially to Diamond and even Masters but once I got there. There was no fanfare, no big celebration. I just stared at the rank up screen. It killed my motivation to shoot for gm because whats the point? its not like I'm going to win at life if I do it. I'm on the fence whether I should dedicate all my free time just to try to hit gm
Same for me man. I was a very casual player back in Overwatch 1. I would only play quickplay for like 1 or 2 hours a week. My skills probably was around high Bronze/low Silver back then. At the start of OW 2, I gave myself a very clear objective. Hit diamond with my friend. For 3 seasons, I tryharded rank with my friend (I started Silver 3 on every roles) and finally reached Diamond 5 on DPS at the beginning of season 3. After that, my motivation disappeared. I had finally achieved my goal to reach Diamond, but above all to obtain that prestigious title: Diamond Challenger. Once done, I had no reason to continue tryharding. My goal was never to reach Master. Although I'm sure I could. Especially as a tank, right now I'm Diamond 2.
In my honest opinion, at the current state of the game, if you just understand ebb n flow and where damage is coming from, ult economy and to understand what different people in your team is trying to do, you can practice insane mechanical skill in try hard ffa and in game workshop aim trainers, I think u can get to GM on just that, it’s maybe let’s say 50 hours of understanding concepts and grinding aim, besides playing comp, I really think u can get to GM on only that
What if I was 4.2K before like 2 years ago? Is there still hope
Its not "rank inflation" it's a player count boom.
I could totally hit gm, just have to quit my job and drop my friends and family for a few months lol.
I play for a few hrs a day and I just started playing on pc. I went from low bronze level to low plat within a couple months. I noticed that a lot of it is just muscle memory and game sense comes with experience. I know plat isn’t very impressive but the point is you can improve naturally by playing enough. Learning from someone else can help quicken that process but you still have to put the time in.
This is why I have my "I'm high" role where I'm silver (no aim, slow reactions, no focus) and "main" role where I'm diamond (aim on, focused, sober) lol