gloriousbaas i have hd 600s and can’t hear much dif at all , but some people hear all the levels of sound i guess. Not me though all i hear is bass and volume lmao
HD600's here as well with DacMagic + from Cambridge Audio. I couldn't hear much difference either, but I did the blind test and I picked the most expensive ones as the best sound.
I beg to differ. The NW800 looks cheap and tacky with that golden grill, while the Neumann looks much better made all round. And so it should at that price.
For those trash-talking the SM58. 1. It's cheap. 2. It's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser; of course it sounds bassy 3. You'll be EQing your vocals anyway, you can correct the mic's bassiness 4. THIS MIC IS STURDY AF. Keep one by your bed in case of Intruders; you can knock a guy out with this thing and it'll still work. 5. VERY LITTLE LEAKAGE. not as apparent in a studio environment, but the 58 is narrowly focused directly in front of it. Won't capture anything from behind it, and very little from the sides
The SM58 is literally, I learned when I was doing singing for cover bands as a kid, the Nokia of microphones. Like, tour the countryside with your crap AC/DC cover band, every fucking little town's cultural office has these, a lot of them banged up to hell but oh, they WORK! And they probably can't buy any more for decades, so I'm sure now ten years later, these little towns who hound these for fête de la musique every year probably still have those.
@Lou Ngoko some time ago, the school let me and my band rehearse in a room they had for concerts, presentations or whatever some afternoons. The point is that there was two mics there, and one of them was a SM58 that we didn't use because it literally looked like it was punched to death, and we thought it didn't work, until one day the other mic stopped working, so we tried using the SM58 and surprise: it worked even better than the other one
The most expensive watch ever is a marvel of engineering, but i'd rather use my cheap retro Casio Illuminator, for it's shockproof, lasts years, and lights up.
Of course it does sound 3500$ better. I don't even know why would he compare a dynamic SM58 & SM7B to to a U87. The SM7 is the mic which michael jackson recorded most of his huge music including "billie jean" and "the way you make me feel". But you can't just have this... If you don't know how to work them out, you can have a 10k Sony C800G and sound like a crappy NW800... If it wouldn't worth, would most of engineers own 20k mics on their locker? Don't even think... Its all fun and stuff but when you get a crappy recording and then comparing with a good recording with good mics, good pre-amps and good processing you'll notice the difference.
I have it, it clips way too easily. The threshold is super small, so if you scream, or get even a little louder, it's not for you. Though if you do podcasts, and keep a steady volume level, then this could work well for you.
1:01 first impressions i get from each is; NW-800 - sounds a biiiit tinny but isn't horrid SM58 - sounds fine in general but i don't think i'd want to hear it all the time, a bit too heavy on the low end for me SM7B - not really much to comment on, 'tis good U87 - sounds a bit clearer than the SM7B, but _absolutely_ not worth $3,000 when the SM7B is up for $399
I'm buying a BM 800, and maybe someday I will improve to something like the SM7B. But I wouldn't save money for the SM58, I don't think it's worth 5 times the BM
NW-800 - I heard more nasal voice here, but only for a moment. SM58 - The only one I heard an own "color", maybe wide and bassy totally different than the rest I understand it's because it's the only one dynamic. SM7B - Maybe I heard more enfaces on the reverb. (I have some hearing problems so it's what I get, not sure) U87 - More clear, but I don't understand why. that "loud" reverb of SM78 was not there. Is it about the shape of the polar pattern? thas it has some inbuilt filter or EQ? In the end, the sound differs from each other, but it's like different colors, not like one sound cheap, and the other sounds amazing. Maybe cause I'm not in music, or because of my hearing problem, but I won't love/hate a singer from that difference.
@@claydoh2923 true, every microphone will have a unique response to the frequencies it is operating at, but the difference in sound quality is simply not noticeable on cheap chinese headphones.
Yeah that's just it, we won't hear the difference on most consumer-grade speakers, I mean I know a streamer who uses the mic on his Logitech G930 headset and I swear to god it sounds just like a condenser mic,
Do wear good headphones, because I hear the NW as a sort of plane intercom, and the first shure with much more bass, and the next two are just more and more defined as you go up.
Descendant of Kraff there's a mod that vastly improves the $22 mic for around $10-$18 more and makes it comparable with premier Rhode mics in the opinion of the developer.
For those who are now running to buy the 22$ mic, hold up for a sec: yes, that cheap microphone sounds good, but remember that Andrew is using 500$ audio interface. Without it that mic would sound quiet and would have a lot of noise, so before purchasing you will need good audio interface.
Yeah coming from audio playback, the biggest difference maker is definitely the headphone or speaker. But from what I've discovered about recording, it's the audio interface (particularly the preamp circuitry im guessing) that makes the biggest difference
Angus Black phantom is a good idea, but I have seen some feedback from people who have purchased that phantom, some said it wasn’t good at all, some say it made an improvement, but overall you still need a good audio interface to get that studio quality
SM58s are great vocal mics for live gigs cause they fit great into so many different potential mixes and they're also practically indestructible, but they're really not great vocal mics for studio purposes.
For those wondering why the SM 58 sounded almost as bad as the NW 800, its because the SM 58 is a dynamic microphone, meaning it is built to be thrown around and damaged a bit without it breaking or losing quality (that's why its the industry standard for live events.) as a result the quality of the sound will be lower than its condenser microphone counterparts for its price. They're also used in live events because they don't pick up as much sound as condenser mics so that you don't get feedback or pick up sounds such as the crowd etc. So if you're looking for a mic for your TH-cam channel or for recording vocals (instruments are a different kettle of fish), I wouldn't go for the sm 58, there are condenser mics with similar prices that will work way better and have much better audio than what the sm 58 will grant you. The sm 58 is build for people who perform live, not for high quality audio.
Yes, I also thought the SM58 really sounded like a mic suited to a different music style, and yes, live music more than recording. Again, I'm not a musician, but it seems like it's optimised for different use to the other three.
when it comes to mic and speakers no one is ever right. EVERYONE has different preferences on what sounds they like. Some people like people to use really bassy mics while others need a mic with a clear high end because they don't want the sounds to be muffled out. Then it matters what speakers they are playing it on because those too have different signatures that will change the output. But ingenreal the more money you put into it the longer it should last and the more it should work... but even then that isn't true with 100+ dollar mics out of box no editing have a electronic hiss.
Its meant more for live audio productions as well, where a warm tone thats easier to mix in is a higher priority, and you cant hear the details that you can in a studio setting anyways
@@acid3719 fair enough,just a reminder that the apollo twin he was using has an amazing preamp no 100$ interface can compare,then again i cant compare because i am still using mi phone mic
@@acid3719 Dude. After watching this video I wanted to try the mic shown with the behringer u-phoria 30-dollar interface. It sounded terrible. And I asked why. It was because what this video doesnt tell you is that yea, this mic sounds fairly good WHEN PLUGGED INTO A STUDIO LEVEL AUDIO INTERFACE THAT'S 1000$. Trust me, I discovered that the hard way.
Andrew the quality and polish you've added to your channel and videos in the past months blows my mind. I've gone from happy to see a new video to STOKED OUT OF MY PANTS every Monday and Thursday! Keep it up!!!
It is when you compare your cheap voice recording with something like Adele. And you see the difference is worth that much and more when you can charge 5 times more the hour in your studio and people pay it just because they want that mic.
Wow. Finally. ''You've seen the title, you know what we're doing today'' I hate when people spend a damn minute explaining what the video is about while it's all in the damn title.. Take my like.
Man in the singing test you can really tell the $3600 mic is amazing. But honestly the super cheap mic did very well. And honestly, I didn't like the SM58 at all.
SM58s are barely, if at all, used in studios. They are liked for live performances because they can take extreme amounts of abuse and don't feedback much, even at loud volumes
A voice of reason. You can use the 58 to hold open a door then throw it on a mic stand to use for live vocals and it would sound good. If you are dragging U87's on stage, you have an unlimited budget; mine would never leave the studio. Not too many real engineers here or people with discerning listening skills either.
@@farque7179 The U87 wouldn't do well on stage I think the sound around the mic would mess it up , in condenser mics you should think about the room you are recording . If you get a U87 and put in a non treated room it will sound worse than the SM7B and the SM58 . If you want a condenser in your studio you can get a Rode NT1-A and spend the extra money on sound proofing .
There was a significant difference in sound, and thats with TH-cam compression. The U87 is an industry standard for a reason. Its warm and clear. Of course its meant for high end studios, with sound and electronic isolation
@@wibblewobble1934 The U87 is definitely the best, but it's not roughly 10x better than the 7B. The 7b was actually pretty impressive to me up against the U87.
Cheap soundproofing is dirt cheap. Good soundproofing is rather expensive at $15+ a square foot. Most residential homes have a ceiling height of 8ft. Lets assume a square 10ftx10ft room. Thats 320 sqft without the ceiling. $4800. Add the ceiling and you have almost $6000 in soundproofing.
DJ ALLIOUS but you have to account for processing after recording, an EQ won‘t be enough to fix every problem and they may be amplified by whatever you where planning on doing to achieve the sound you want. Either way I‘d say most beginners will probably notice a greater difference on quality from basic sound treatment, which can often be done without spending money at all.
"We interrupt this review to bring you epic falsetto lines. You're welcome" Sounded great, bro! I appreciate that you brought reality and practicality into this review. You definitely found a great mic in the SM7B for your tonality.
+SoloStudios As someone who is considering making music in the future but has zero budget, the price is a major turn-on for me. I'm not super tuned to hear audio differences, but it sounded fine to me.
I tried the blind test and I was waiting for the song to end and the next sample/mic to begin when I heard the quality change so drastically for the better at the end that I knew that he had been switching them up the whole time. I opened my eyes and rewound the video and of course the last one was the expensive one.
Did the blind test. Just variations on great. Shure SM58 - very full with more bass. Shure SM7B - more dynamic with less bass. Neumann U87 - less full, less bass. Definitely not $1000s difference! Neewer NW-800 - COULD NOT TELL WHEN YOU CHANGED FROM NEUMANN TO THIS IN THE MIDDLE. Less bass than the Shures, but that is similar to the Neumann. WTF. I think with minimal post processing, you could get the same sound with any of the mics. Would love to do a reverse test. You record your voice simultaneously using the 4 different mics. Then, have someone edit the audio to your video -- but switch the mics at random places. Then you try to guess 1) when they switch and 2) which one they switched to. I BET YOU CAN'T TELL!
You get it. He seems so fixed on the price. In the end, the Neewer sounds pretty much as good for the purposes of singing. A decent mic and high bitrate etc is useful when you're gonna stretch or otherwise butcher the audio, cause then it can really make a difference. For a standard, lightly edited track though, I would bet money that 90% of professionals wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But the placebo effect is strong and so $3500+ mics will keep selling. For pretty much all purposes, you don't need to spend more than $200, depending on what you need (with few exceptions like when you need non-existent self-noise etc).
Agree with both of you - spot on in my opinion! I personally preferred the sound of the SM58 purely because of the richer bass but the SM7B and NeumannU87 were seriously hard to tell the difference with eyes closed until he started singing with more 'oomph' ... but both gave me a 'flat' feeling which resulted in me being less engaged... my guess is having a super high quality but more neutral starting point as far as sound/tone etc etc gives professional audio guys more options ... very similar to a RAW photograph... very large file size and looks pretty naff in unedited form.. but in the hands of a graphics pro has so much more to offer than a nice looking basic jpeg... my background is in art not audio so please excuse my lack of correct terms ;)
Indeed but it's basically for the ultra high end. There's always going to be a market for products like that where you're spending multiple times as much money for it compared to the next best things, but only getting something that's a fraction better. It happens with PC components too and many other products
I had my eyes closed for the singing, and here are my thoughts; I'm not a great singer or have any expert opinion. But, when I re-watched the singing with my eyes open , I was only slightly fooled. I didn't expect the 1st would be the gold because when you talked into them it was obvious that it was rough sounding before you spoke in the next one. When you sang, it was hard for me to differentiate the quality. I could tell the sound was changing, but the quality was questionable until you went to the U87. Then it seemed recognizably better. I wasn't sure if couldn't tell the lower end mics apart because your voice is amazing or my ears are just not trained. It could also be my $20 headphones... I just realized you can't do a "Which headphones sound better?" video... To summarize, I think if it sounds good, use it! Or buy whatever microphone makes you happy? :)
That's because the internet and TH-cam and your computers speakers all got in the way. The U87 exists for a reason (Oddly, the same reasons the SM58 does) It Always sounds the same... (not as each other mind you) U87s are usually attached to a zillion dollars of equipment and used in very well tuned rooms, but people who get paid a sick amount of money. The SM58.. less of all those things.. The '58 was Never designed for and shouldn't really be used for recording if it can be avoided. While he has eliminated most of the variables by using the same everything in his tests, he can't control what happens to the signal once it leaves his computer to us.
The problem isn't his headphones. It's that people don't listen to music with the most expensive senheiser headphones. To me, the neewer sounds BETTER than the shure sm58. Overall if i were a music producer, i'd get the sm7b and use the money for multiple mics. The neuman doesn't really make much sense to buy for ANYONE just trying to produce music.
Thanks for this, these types of videos are really helpful! For my untrained ear your SMB7 sounded very close (or even identical) to the U87, I guess that means your personal choice is a really solid one. The SM58 sounded a lot more deep than the others to me, like more low end. I can hear the NW-800 having less of a range, but during the singing, you could easily have told me it was an expensive mic and I'd believe you. I have run an software equalizer (from my soundcard, asus DX) and have a pair of sennheiser HD555, so who knows if anything I actually hear is what is actually "supposed" to sound like, but none the less awesome work man, keep doing your normal awesome stuff and these little cool treats
Well...the fact that Andrew's room is so well-treated, honestly any good vocalist will sound pretty good on any of these microphones. Certainly, if your budget allows without issue, more expensive gear is usually better (usually..not always). That being said, although I definitely hear a difference between a $3600 vs $22 microphone...I don't hear a $3000 difference. If you can sing and your room isn't too bad, you can honestly get good vocal sounds out of anything these days. Just don't let your cheaper gear be an excuse not to record music.
I'm listening on a pair of Sennheiser HD598s (so it's not like I'm listening on a phone with some 5 buck buttons), and I honestly can't even tell the difference between the SM7B and the Neumann. The Neewer and the SM58 definitely have noticeably different tones, but is the 3600 dollar Neumann even in the REALM of being worth it, compared to the SM7B, which is 399? Not even a little bit.
I don't know your headphones, but using my STAX-System, the diferences between the SM7B and the Neuman are very noticable. Fact is that the diferences are mostly in the details. For profesional studios, a Mic that good is definetly worth it. It kinda depends on the type of music you record though. Sometimes a SM58 can do a better job than something like the Neuman. In the end it's music, and more often than not, there is no objective "better". It always depends on the use case. A Deathcore-Singer doesn't need a 3000$ Condensor Mic. Celine Dion does though.
Fabian Speckholz blame TH-cam for it. There is a night and day difference between these mics. There's a noticeable difference between the Neumann TLM 102 and TLM 103
The NW-8000 sounded great for its price The SM58 sounded soft The SM7B is the best with price and quality The U87 it's good but there's something wrong that I can't put my finger on it
Triple Stabber The U87 is "too" perfect in many situations. I like to think of it like image quality. If your picture target is one that contains imperfections, you don't want a camera that will catch so much detail that it amplifies unwanted blemishes. A mic should also catch as much detail as desired, but without also digging into vocal imperfections. Thus it depends on the singer.
It might be the sibilance that's bugging you with the U87. It's probably a new U87ai, which is a little less smooth in the highs than a vintage U87. Not necessarily a bad thing (the highs help with clarity), it just means it might need some de-essing to tame those t's and s's.
My first mic looks almost exactly like that. It was an Aukey and had no actual model name. It did it's job and rather well for the price. In fact, for about $35, I got the mic, a mic arm, a shock mount and a cable. I've since moved on to a dynamic Behringer XM8500 for certain vocals and an MXL 440 condenser for others. Those are what my budget allowed. I spent more money on power conditioning and vocal hardware processing than the mic. I can see why doing it the other way around can be better, but I don't really regret anything.
1) it's called controlling your variables, in this case, the only variable here is the microphone. 2) A high quality pre-amp/power supply cannot add information.
Well, thats probably because your speakers/headphones aren't great quality. Or maybe I just have a trained ear. Either way I heard a world of difference between them.
Yeah that's what I thought. I don't really like that kind of singing because I like heavier music in general but he has a pretty good quick change of speed while keeping a very clear note. Impressive.
I really don't think the Neumann is that much better than the SM58...but just my opinion. I get that the response is a lot fuller but a lot of that low end will get cut off and EQ'd in post anyway.
The key to any test like this is keeping the distance from sound source to the diaphragm exactly equal and constant. There appears to be a difference in distances during this test. Would love to have seen the EV RE-20 included here.....
You are really good! My interest is in producing TH-cam videos or podcasts, not music, but I just now subscribed because this video is an example of how to convey useful information in a clear and entertaining way, without the form distracting from the substance. Well done!
USB mics are a guaranteed downgrade from normal XLR mics. Like yeah you can get some good USB mics, but for the same price point you could split your budget to include an interface (a lot of mics don't even need phantom power) and you'd be getting something much higher quality.
Baby Guzman The Snowball and Yeti are okay. I have a friend who has a Yeti and he lives in a house with all wood floors and the Yeti does not handle it well always echoing and stuff, an acoustic nightmare. It's awful. But I know other people who have a Yeti and it sounds okay, but you would really want a shock mount. The Yeti really picks up every vibration.
Nah. The u87 did sound better than SM7B. Not 3200 dollars better but definitely better. That's just neuman mic's in general though.They are the ultra high end products that cost a ton more but only sound a fraction better. There's always a market for products like that.
I use a PS2 SingStar Pop mic whenever I need vocals, and it's fine. Just a bit of noise in the background but that is faint and nothing Audacity can't do. My budget is so cheap that cheap-o mic is still high, and I try to use free programs the most possible. LMMS for music making, Audacity for recording audio for samples, and Zynewave Podium for recording actual main melody vocals, because it has a tempo marker.
Actually, Audacity is a Proper Noun, that being the name of a piece of software, and shouldn't be proceeded by A or An. It should read "Just a bit of noise in the background, but that is faint and nothing Audacity can't do."
Ok, thanks! I know this is a bad excuse, but I'm not a native speaker and not exactly stimulated in actual sentence forming in English, so these help me quite a bit.
To me, I thought it went, from worst to best: SM58, NW-800, SM7B, U87, so basically the same as Andrew, just the first 2 switched. I get that the SM58 might sound fuller than the NW-800, but to me it just doesnt make up for the dull sound it produces.
Same here, I would also add that for me the difference between the two last ones are very small according to me. So I guess that even if a had a huge budget I'd probably go with the third one.
SM58 is a Dynamic mic while NW-800 is a Condenser mic, Condenser mic has better sound quality, mostly being used for studio recording while Dynamic is suitable for Live performance, can be drag around, be around loud back ground noise, less back ground noise picking in trade for lesser sound/vocal quality.
AnimeKiva it's the way you record, I'm guessing you're just plugging the mic into your computer with a lead. You'll need to buy an audio interface and plug the mic in with an XLR cable
In Audacity, highlight a portion of a track that is just the static/background noise, then get the noise profile by clicking Effect -> Noise Removal... -> Get Noise Profile. You can then highlight tracks or pieces of tracks and click Effect -> Noise Removal... -> OK to filter those sounds.
@Brian Yes, that definitely helps but it still will never sound as good as it does in this video. I need to buy an interface myself because it just sounds like shit through my Mobo and I tried a USB sound card, sounded the same.
Select a part of silence and go to effect>noise removal>get noise profile>then select all your audio and go to noise removal again. If there is a "hum" you can also use a notch filter set at the frequency of the hum and then use noise removal after. Still though, it's best to just not have noise to begin with so here's some ways to do that: It's a condenser, so first off make sure you're using phantom power. By default it probably ships with an XLR to 1/8" cable. Use an XLR male to female and plug it into the XLR mic input on an interface and adjust gain high enough without hitting the noise floor. If you want something better than that, either get a better interface with a better built in preamp (any worthwhile upgrade would be super expensive) or run your mic XLR into a preamp and then run a 1/4" TRS line out from the pre into a line in on the interface and do gain and phantom power from the pre.
Just a point-out for some in the comments saying there's no difference - It also depends on the quality of your Headphones to notice details more obviously. :^d
I personally own the Shure SM7B. Love that microphone to death. Even if I would start using more expensive brands (considering getting a Neumann TLM 102 right now), I would still use the SM7B for some projects just because of how solid the quality is. If you at least want a solid professional microphone where you are willing to add in that extra cash to get it, I could not recommend it enough.
you may do audio stuff profesionally but don't buy neumann stuff cause they are a bunch of rip off you can get just as good if not better mics for cheaper price. And I would not buy a neumann ever because they don't care about the sound it is just about the money
I listened to a bunch of different microphones to make my decision. The TLM 102 is actually among the cheaper Neumann mics out there, if not the cheapest, and I preferred the sound of that one when compared to its bigger brothers the TLM 103 and 107, just to give an example. The only Neumann models I thought sounded better than the TLM 102 were the U87 and M149, but they were completely out of the question considering the pricing. I even compared the TLM 102 to other brands within the price range I was looking for and did not think they sounded as good for my preferences. Neumann may be expensive, but they are still high quality microphones. If you can afford one, it is at least worth considering getting one if it fits your recording preferences.
Look into the WA-87 by Warm Audio if you are wanting a U87 sounding mic. Its about 600 bucks and it was made to sound like the vintage u87, not the current U87ai. I heard A B tests and they sound very similar. Im planning on getting one soon.
+Ekeezee Just looked it up. Nice quality, but I already got my Neumann TLM 102 last week. Pretty happy with it, but if I ever decide to get another mic I will consider the WA-87. =P
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All I need now is a $3,599.99 headphone to hear the difference
Nicholas Heidl true , they all sound very similar lol
i used audeze lcd 4 tho
it costs me 4000$
gloriousbaas if i could buy a $3600 Mic i can buy myself a $250 Mic + 100 Pop filter
gloriousbaas i have hd 600s and can’t hear much dif at all , but some people hear all the levels of sound i guess. Not me though all i hear is bass and volume lmao
HD600's here as well with DacMagic + from Cambridge Audio. I couldn't hear much difference either, but I did the blind test and I picked the most expensive ones as the best sound.
The cheapest mic is insanely good for that price
MichelZelf who's mike
I agree that Mike was good. He is very underrated tbh.
lmao
I love mike. I'm not gay.
yeah
I’ve always liked how the cheaper microphones always look more expensive
ikr? lol
I beg to differ. The NW800 looks cheap and tacky with that golden grill, while the Neumann looks much better made all round. And so it should at that price.
James Collins Oh, I know. And I would agree! What I mean is they always attempt to look more premium with their gold colors and what not.
@@absin8078 Ah, I'm understanding now. I agree with that. I've noticed that many cheap Chinese electronics are similar in that fashion.
at least it tries to lol
For those trash-talking the SM58.
1. It's cheap.
2. It's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser; of course it sounds bassy
3. You'll be EQing your vocals anyway, you can correct the mic's bassiness
4. THIS MIC IS STURDY AF. Keep one by your bed in case of Intruders; you can knock a guy out with this thing and it'll still work.
5. VERY LITTLE LEAKAGE. not as apparent in a studio environment, but the 58 is narrowly focused directly in front of it. Won't capture anything from behind it, and very little from the sides
The SM58 is literally, I learned when I was doing singing for cover bands as a kid, the Nokia of microphones. Like, tour the countryside with your crap AC/DC cover band, every fucking little town's cultural office has these, a lot of them banged up to hell but oh, they WORK! And they probably can't buy any more for decades, so I'm sure now ten years later, these little towns who hound these for fête de la musique every year probably still have those.
SM58 is your ultimate tool for live situations.
My dad always had them for doing live gigs, like his rock cover band doing weddings in the 80s/90s. I don't think they have ever broken on him.
@Lou Ngoko some time ago, the school let me and my band rehearse in a room they had for concerts, presentations or whatever some afternoons. The point is that there was two mics there, and one of them was a SM58 that we didn't use because it literally looked like it was punched to death, and we thought it didn't work, until one day the other mic stopped working, so we tried using the SM58 and surprise: it worked even better than the other one
I'd take a SM58 over that shrill condenser any day....
They all sound the same on my 2 dollar headphones
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oh this is really bad :,(
lmao
Lumen Roy me too lmao
this had me creasing up, same lol
It sounds better but not $3578 better
That's how expensive things are. I would presume, whereas the price goes exponentially, the quality increases only linearly.
+fidelity776 True, and it logically is the same with every other product like watches, wine, cars,...
The most expensive watch ever is a marvel of engineering, but i'd rather use my cheap retro Casio Illuminator, for it's shockproof, lasts years, and lights up.
Of course it does sound 3500$ better. I don't even know why would he compare a dynamic SM58 & SM7B to to a U87. The SM7 is the mic which michael jackson recorded most of his huge music including "billie jean" and "the way you make me feel". But you can't just have this... If you don't know how to work them out, you can have a 10k Sony C800G and sound like a crappy NW800... If it wouldn't worth, would most of engineers own 20k mics on their locker? Don't even think... Its all fun and stuff but when you get a crappy recording and then comparing with a good recording with good mics, good pre-amps and good processing you'll notice the difference.
not even $1000 better
That $22 mic is dope.
Squidny and i think it comes with a free shock mount
no. he sounds like spongebob with it
I have it, it clips way too easily. The threshold is super small, so if you scream, or get even a little louder, it's not for you. Though if you do podcasts, and keep a steady volume level, then this could work well for you.
Squidny i actually recently got the neewer nw-700 which is v similar to the 800 and it's great!
I'm actually surprised myself. Great for a budget podcast or screencasting/tutorials type vocal.
1:01 first impressions i get from each is;
NW-800 - sounds a biiiit tinny but isn't horrid
SM58 - sounds fine in general but i don't think i'd want to hear it all the time, a bit too heavy on the low end for me
SM7B - not really much to comment on, 'tis good
U87 - sounds a bit clearer than the SM7B, but _absolutely_ not worth $3,000 when the SM7B is up for $399
Sm58 has one direction pickup and the rest have multiple
But only Neumann U87 have space
i’m late but the reason it’s so bassy is probably because of proximity effect and it could be eq’ed out
I'm buying a BM 800, and maybe someday I will improve to something like the SM7B. But I wouldn't save money for the SM58, I don't think it's worth 5 times the BM
NW-800 - I heard more nasal voice here, but only for a moment.
SM58 - The only one I heard an own "color", maybe wide and bassy totally different than the rest
I understand it's because it's the only one dynamic.
SM7B - Maybe I heard more enfaces on the reverb. (I have some hearing problems so it's what I get, not sure)
U87 - More clear, but I don't understand why. that "loud" reverb of SM78 was not there. Is it about the shape of the polar pattern? thas it has some inbuilt filter or EQ?
In the end, the sound differs from each other, but it's like different colors, not like one sound cheap, and the other sounds amazing. Maybe cause I'm not in music, or because of my hearing problem, but I won't love/hate a singer from that difference.
they sound exactly the same...
on my $7 headphones
Acoustically they are not the same. There is a major difference in the mid and treble range which was noticeable in the mic's.
@@claydoh2923
true, every microphone will have a unique response to the frequencies it is operating at, but the difference in sound quality is simply not noticeable on cheap chinese headphones.
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Yeah that's just it, we won't hear the difference on most consumer-grade speakers, I mean I know a streamer who uses the mic on his Logitech G930 headset and I swear to god it sounds just like a condenser mic,
Voltage Drop You just copied the joke of the comment DIRECTLY under this one 😂 that’s the funniest part of this all
doing the blind test - i didn't notice when the mics changed.
MasterOfChicknz I only noticed the second change
MasterOfChicknz same
MasterOfChicknz same XD
MasterOfChicknz i didnt even notice them change even when i wasnt doing the blind test tbh
Do wear good headphones, because I hear the NW as a sort of plane intercom, and the first shure with much more bass, and the next two are just more and more defined as you go up.
Jesus, that 20 dollar mic is perfectly servicable.
Descendant of Kraff
there's a mod that vastly improves the $22 mic for around $10-$18 more and makes it comparable with premier Rhode mics in the opinion of the developer.
Can you give me a name/link :P
Gursheys syba sound card and Neewer phantom power
Totlal:23 dollars
i gave it 666 likes😈
Jon Goode a
For those who are now running to buy the 22$ mic, hold up for a sec: yes, that cheap microphone sounds good, but remember that Andrew is using 500$ audio interface.
Without it that mic would sound quiet and would have a lot of noise, so before purchasing you will need good audio interface.
Sims Alekna thankfully i know this information now after pouring far too much money in investing to an audio setup
Yeah coming from audio playback, the biggest difference maker is definitely the headphone or speaker. But from what I've discovered about recording, it's the audio interface (particularly the preamp circuitry im guessing) that makes the biggest difference
i’d recommend usb mics for beginners
You don't need a $500 interface though. All you _need_ is phantom power which you can get for
Angus Black phantom is a good idea, but I have seen some feedback from people who have purchased that phantom, some said it wasn’t good at all, some say it made an improvement, but overall you still need a good audio interface to get that studio quality
They all sound the same to me
me 2
Buster i just have shitty ears
mostly sounded the same the cheaper one was a little bit of crispy and i have 200 euro sennheiser headset so no bad headset
ikr
You are obviously not an sound guy that is for sure.
last two sounded almost identical just a touch better which makes it not worth the extra thousands of dollas
first time a youtubers every replied to my comment :D
I have to say the mic i liked least was the Shure SM58-LC
They sound quite a bit different to me, The Neumann sounds quite a bit "dryer" than the SM7b
BlueBoi Red yeah
i agree
Unfair comparison. Need a human to test them not a god who can make anything sound good
lmaaoooo
Geviper that's not nice
Geviper Yes he can. he is great
thats what I thought, this dude must be a mixing genius
with proper mixing and editing I believe he could do a good job with that cheap mic
They all give a unique sound quality, in my opinion, none of them sound bad.
True
totally agreee
True I think everyone likes different mic sounds
@@Muhluri until you're an audio engineer. that neumann sounds godly I work with one as well
Am I broken if I can't really hear much difference between any of them?
I Really like how you started the Video! It wasn't this "I'm talking hours about boring stuff before the actual video starts" thing.
This
gotta agree
underrated comment
joni boni agreed
joni boni o
lol honestly, I found the SM58 sounded worse than the 22 dollar mic. I think I might be going deaf.
f0rt1ss1m0 _ Me too.
same
Same, I find that the SM85 sounds a bit too dull compared to the others.
SM58s are great vocal mics for live gigs cause they fit great into so many different potential mixes and they're also practically indestructible, but they're really not great vocal mics for studio purposes.
f0rt1ss1m0 _ I feel you. When anyone makes a "puh" sound into it, it gets extremely harsh.
For those wondering why the SM 58 sounded almost as bad as the NW 800, its because the SM 58 is a dynamic microphone, meaning it is built to be thrown around and damaged a bit without it breaking or losing quality (that's why its the industry standard for live events.) as a result the quality of the sound will be lower than its condenser microphone counterparts for its price.
They're also used in live events because they don't pick up as much sound as condenser mics so that you don't get feedback or pick up sounds such as the crowd etc.
So if you're looking for a mic for your TH-cam channel or for recording vocals (instruments are a different kettle of fish), I wouldn't go for the sm 58, there are condenser mics with similar prices that will work way better and have much better audio than what the sm 58 will grant you. The sm 58 is build for people who perform live, not for high quality audio.
Yes, I also thought the SM58 really sounded like a mic suited to a different music style, and yes, live music more than recording. Again, I'm not a musician, but it seems like it's optimised for different use to the other three.
Dane Hrovitnir Exactly, its like comparing how well a football rolls against a golf ball and a soccer ball, they're used for differently
when it comes to mic and speakers no one is ever right. EVERYONE has different preferences on what sounds they like. Some people like people to use really bassy mics while others need a mic with a clear high end because they don't want the sounds to be muffled out. Then it matters what speakers they are playing it on because those too have different signatures that will change the output. But ingenreal the more money you put into it the longer it should last and the more it should work... but even then that isn't true with 100+ dollar mics out of box no editing have a electronic hiss.
Ribbon mics can also sound good.
Its meant more for live audio productions as well, where a warm tone thats easier to mix in is a higher priority, and you cant hear the details that you can in a studio setting anyways
the cheap mic is illegally good compared to the expensive mics
@@Leuncakk mate, it is 22$ for A WHOLE SET
@@Leuncakk you know... 40$ interfaces are a thing and i didn't say i was gonna connect it to the pc. B R A N E
@@acid3719 fair enough,just a reminder that the apollo twin he was using has an amazing preamp no 100$ interface can compare,then again i cant compare because i am still using mi phone mic
@@acid3719 Dude. After watching this video I wanted to try the mic shown with the behringer u-phoria 30-dollar interface. It sounded terrible. And I asked why. It was because what this video doesnt tell you is that yea, this mic sounds fairly good WHEN PLUGGED INTO A STUDIO LEVEL AUDIO INTERFACE THAT'S 1000$.
Trust me, I discovered that the hard way.
@@adrianolmedos well bad for u
Andrew the quality and polish you've added to your channel and videos in the past months blows my mind. I've gone from happy to see a new video to STOKED OUT OF MY PANTS every Monday and Thursday! Keep it up!!!
The quality and polish added on your nails too!
stop
Samuel Tompkins he sure is nigahiga in his category
Samuel Tompkins why did i just think you were talking about the polish language
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the 22 dollar mic is not bad at all i realy like the sound
BassMaiden Project
Lmao the nw-800 costs 18€
Green Tech Tips feels bad man
lol your dad is funny
just go for the 22 bucks tf 3.6k u mad?
Eric xD
Ikr. It's pretty good audio for $22
yeah i didnt notice a big difference between the $399 and the $22
it's a huge difference.. wtf..
Well, it's definitely not a $3578 difference
It is when you compare your cheap voice recording with something like Adele. And you see the difference is worth that much and more when you can charge 5 times more the hour in your studio and people pay it just because they want that mic.
2:24 closed my eyes and totally forgot about the mics cause I got swept up in the vocals. Great singing!
Zoomer
Doomer
I was looking for this comment because yes!
Wow. Finally.
''You've seen the title, you know what we're doing today''
I hate when people spend a damn minute explaining what the video is about while it's all in the damn title..
Take my like.
I hit the like button just after hearing that... This guy knows what's up.
IKR... If I want trailers or 1m 30s of exposition, I'll go to the movies. Too many creators showing off and/or padding their run time. Just gimme it!
Zireael Ichaer 666th liker lmao
That Neumann mic is insanely good
Shabb3r I use it to record a cigar box amp playing my 1960s Japanese Jazzmaster copy. You know, for the quality…
Great review! Short, with no dumb filler, lots of good info, great head-to-head comparisons. Thanks!!
Ahhh. If only every demo video could be this succinct, informational and entertaining. Well done. Thanks!
Man in the singing test you can really tell the $3600 mic is amazing. But honestly the super cheap mic did very well. And honestly, I didn't like the SM58 at all.
exactly my opinion!
SM58s are barely, if at all, used in studios. They are liked for live performances because they can take extreme amounts of abuse and don't feedback much, even at loud volumes
you're so honest
DJ ArcForce same. i didn't like the sm58 as well
DJ ArcForce its decent when it comes to singing
A lot of critique of the 58 is a bit misplaced. It’s the only mic of the 4 you can use on a stage and is dynamic vs condenser.
Lindsay Webb sm7b is dynamic too
This.
Live vs. Studio.
Loud vs. Nuance
All the extra frequencies you get from studio mics is just more time spend EQ'ing or else feedback.
Yeepp, right..
A voice of reason. You can use the 58 to hold open a door then throw it on a mic stand to use for live vocals and it would sound good. If you are dragging U87's on stage, you have an unlimited budget; mine would never leave the studio. Not too many real engineers here or people with discerning listening skills either.
@@farque7179 The U87 wouldn't do well on stage I think the sound around the mic would mess it up , in condenser mics you should think about the room you are recording . If you get a U87 and put in a non treated room it will sound worse than the SM7B and the SM58 . If you want a condenser in your studio you can get a Rode NT1-A and spend the extra money on sound proofing .
There was a significant difference in sound, and thats with TH-cam compression. The U87 is an industry standard for a reason. Its warm and clear. Of course its meant for high end studios, with sound and electronic isolation
Andrew: Why not listen with Your eyes shut?
*Proceeds to sing beautifully*
I thought the Gold one was the $3600
Terrible Net same
same
Same same same same same
Terrible Net same
Terrible Net I didn't because I have that one
I like the moment when he says "So I am gonna start with a quick test of just talking into each mic."
It's like wine: the cheapest bottle sucks, but beyond $30 per bottle you need to be a snob to really appreciate the difference.
The lowest end mic doesn't actually suck that much for it's price 😳
Don't agree, the U87 has a level of clarity in another league above all the others in the top end.
@@wibblewobble1934 The U87 is definitely the best, but it's not roughly 10x better than the 7B. The 7b was actually pretty impressive to me up against the U87.
You have Sound proofing.. A lot of people record in basements filled with concrete and unwanted children..
The Judge um okay
The Judge k den
Cool
Sound proofing is pretty dirt cheap...
Cheap soundproofing is dirt cheap. Good soundproofing is rather expensive at $15+ a square foot. Most residential homes have a ceiling height of 8ft. Lets assume a square 10ftx10ft room. Thats 320 sqft without the ceiling. $4800. Add the ceiling and you have almost $6000 in soundproofing.
Im using my cheap phone to hear, it all sounds pretty similar😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because that's what listeners will hear anyways it's actually useless to purchase that high of a mic
DJ ALLIOUS but you have to account for processing after recording, an EQ won‘t be enough to fix every problem and they may be amplified by whatever you where planning on doing to achieve the sound you want.
Either way I‘d say most beginners will probably notice a greater difference on quality from basic sound treatment, which can often be done without spending money at all.
@@mekullagYea but allot of this can be resolved with acoustic treatment. The expensive mic is really a bonus.
Lol
*_So I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic_*
*So I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic*
*So I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic*
*So I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic*
+SynomousArtz so I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic
So I'm gonna start with a very quick test with just talking into each mic
"We interrupt this review to bring you epic falsetto lines. You're welcome"
Sounded great, bro! I appreciate that you brought reality and practicality into this review. You definitely found a great mic in the SM7B for your tonality.
*THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS*
Agreed.
am i the only one who doesn't like the sound of the shure sm58
Merp yes you're the only one. no one else has ever thought that
The Shut In I thought that
wooosh
Merp I do not like ut
It was my least favorite. I'd take the 22 one over it. Something about how bland it was.
so im gunna start with a very quick test of just talking into each mic
Great educational video Andrew and you are an amazing singer!
My cheapness might have biased me to like the sound of the cheap mic more than I should have...
+SoloStudios As someone who is considering making music in the future but has zero budget, the price is a major turn-on for me. I'm not super tuned to hear audio differences, but it sounded fine to me.
Kailee Walden I have it, I use it to record my acoustic guitar, it definitely gets the job done
I tried the blind test and I was waiting for the song to end and the next sample/mic to begin when I heard the quality change so drastically for the better at the end that I knew that he had been switching them up the whole time. I opened my eyes and rewound the video and of course the last one was the expensive one.
I had the easiest time identifying the SM58. It has the weakest high end, and boomy low end.
0:30 How is it that you're twice as talented as most other artists out there, yet you still have such an amazing sense of humor??
i think the cheap one actually sounds a bit better than the 58 weirdly. Harsh consonants (B, P, T etc) sound kinda bad on it.
The Bloodshot One the 58 is made for live preformances
@tjan yeaaaaah it didn't really have a place in this comparison video. I'm sure there were more suitable ones in that pricerange, like the AT2020
Yeah you guys are right it is meant for live performance not studio use
You should also be using much less gain on an sm58 and almost kissing it.
As the others said, it's a live performance mic, but the harsh consonants would be better with a pop filter.
Did the blind test. Just variations on great.
Shure SM58 - very full with more bass.
Shure SM7B - more dynamic with less bass.
Neumann U87 - less full, less bass. Definitely not $1000s difference!
Neewer NW-800 - COULD NOT TELL WHEN YOU CHANGED FROM NEUMANN TO THIS IN THE MIDDLE. Less bass than the Shures, but that is similar to the Neumann. WTF.
I think with minimal post processing, you could get the same sound with any of the mics. Would love to do a reverse test. You record your voice simultaneously using the 4 different mics. Then, have someone edit the audio to your video -- but switch the mics at random places. Then you try to guess 1) when they switch and 2) which one they switched to. I BET YOU CAN'T TELL!
You get it. He seems so fixed on the price. In the end, the Neewer sounds pretty much as good for the purposes of singing. A decent mic and high bitrate etc is useful when you're gonna stretch or otherwise butcher the audio, cause then it can really make a difference. For a standard, lightly edited track though, I would bet money that 90% of professionals wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
But the placebo effect is strong and so $3500+ mics will keep selling. For pretty much all purposes, you don't need to spend more than $200, depending on what you need (with few exceptions like when you need non-existent self-noise etc).
Agree with both of you - spot on in my opinion! I personally preferred the sound of the SM58 purely because of the richer bass but the SM7B and NeumannU87 were seriously hard to tell the difference with eyes closed until he started singing with more 'oomph' ... but both gave me a 'flat' feeling which resulted in me being less engaged... my guess is having a super high quality but more neutral starting point as far as sound/tone etc etc gives professional audio guys more options ... very similar to a RAW photograph... very large file size and looks pretty naff in unedited form.. but in the hands of a graphics pro has so much more to offer than a nice looking basic jpeg... my background is in art not audio so please excuse my lack of correct terms ;)
日本ジャック NihonJack with headphones it's very clear when he changes
it's hard to get rid of the bassiness of the sm58 later in the mix without losing data, i prefer more accurate to more "full" sound
日本ジャック NihonJack i hear definitely a difference between the cheap one vs neumann. The neumann records MUCH MORE details of the voice.
The U87 sounds amazing. I don't know if it's $3600 worth of amazing though.
neveser I own the u87, but my favorite mic is the u47, and it's 3x the u87's pricetag
Indeed but it's basically for the ultra high end. There's always going to be a market for products like that where you're spending multiple times as much money for it compared to the next best things, but only getting something that's a fraction better. It happens with PC components too and many other products
I only came to see how the nw-800 microphone works but I loved your channel, I hope you grow even more, greetings from Mexico.
No notifications - just on youtube a lot.
sbk1911 same
hahahah this is my life
sbk1911 literally how I feel whenever a youtuber tells me to turn on notifications
I had my eyes closed for the singing, and here are my thoughts; I'm not a great singer or have any expert opinion. But, when I re-watched the singing with my eyes open , I was only slightly fooled. I didn't expect the 1st would be the gold because when you talked into them it was obvious that it was rough sounding before you spoke in the next one. When you sang, it was hard for me to differentiate the quality. I could tell the sound was changing, but the quality was questionable until you went to the U87. Then it seemed recognizably better. I wasn't sure if couldn't tell the lower end mics apart because your voice is amazing or my ears are just not trained. It could also be my $20 headphones... I just realized you can't do a "Which headphones sound better?" video... To summarize, I think if it sounds good, use it! Or buy whatever microphone makes you happy? :)
lol i didn't hear any difference at all when you were singing :DD
That's because the internet and TH-cam and your computers speakers all got in the way. The U87 exists for a reason (Oddly, the same reasons the SM58 does) It Always sounds the same... (not as each other mind you) U87s are usually attached to a zillion dollars of equipment and used in very well tuned rooms, but people who get paid a sick amount of money. The SM58.. less of all those things.. The '58 was Never designed for and shouldn't really be used for recording if it can be avoided. While he has eliminated most of the variables by using the same everything in his tests, he can't control what happens to the signal once it leaves his computer to us.
i think your deaf, the u87 kills all those shitty mics
PrivateMemo oh ok lol
The problem isn't his headphones. It's that people don't listen to music with the most expensive senheiser headphones. To me, the neewer sounds BETTER than the shure sm58. Overall if i were a music producer, i'd get the sm7b and use the money for multiple mics. The neuman doesn't really make much sense to buy for ANYONE just trying to produce music.
i was fucking quoting him you smartass..
I got the $20 mic to use for discord, now I'm just watching these review type videos for fun lol
Damn it Andrew now I want those fruit candies. Sour apple is my favourite.
yeah i'm drooling now and it's midnight, y u do this to me
Filippo Medas you're not wrong
Really good voice and so fun to watch, keep it up dude
Thanks for this, these types of videos are really helpful! For my untrained ear your SMB7 sounded very close (or even identical) to the U87, I guess that means your personal choice is a really solid one. The SM58 sounded a lot more deep than the others to me, like more low end. I can hear the NW-800 having less of a range, but during the singing, you could easily have told me it was an expensive mic and I'd believe you.
I have run an software equalizer (from my soundcard, asus DX) and have a pair of sennheiser HD555, so who knows if anything I actually hear is what is actually "supposed" to sound like, but none the less awesome work man, keep doing your normal awesome stuff and these little cool treats
Well...the fact that Andrew's room is so well-treated, honestly any good vocalist will sound pretty good on any of these microphones. Certainly, if your budget allows without issue, more expensive gear is usually better (usually..not always). That being said, although I definitely hear a difference between a $3600 vs $22 microphone...I don't hear a $3000 difference. If you can sing and your room isn't too bad, you can honestly get good vocal sounds out of anything these days. Just don't let your cheaper gear be an excuse not to record music.
10000% higher price
5% noticable difference
I'm listening on a pair of Sennheiser HD598s (so it's not like I'm listening on a phone with some 5 buck buttons), and I honestly can't even tell the difference between the SM7B and the Neumann. The Neewer and the SM58 definitely have noticeably different tones, but is the 3600 dollar Neumann even in the REALM of being worth it, compared to the SM7B, which is 399?
Not even a little bit.
I'm listening on iPhone 5 in bed and can tell them apart easily. The Neumann is in a different world.
I was born with acute hearing though
I don't know your headphones, but using my STAX-System, the diferences between the SM7B and the Neuman are very noticable. Fact is that the diferences are mostly in the details. For profesional studios, a Mic that good is definetly worth it. It kinda depends on the type of music you record though. Sometimes a SM58 can do a better job than something like the Neuman. In the end it's music, and more often than not, there is no objective "better". It always depends on the use case. A Deathcore-Singer doesn't need a 3000$ Condensor Mic. Celine Dion does though.
Fabian Speckholz There is a huge difference between all of them
Fabian Speckholz blame TH-cam for it. There is a night and day difference between these mics. There's a noticeable difference between the Neumann TLM 102 and TLM 103
Wow. Great voice, dude.
I agree.
But he makes dumb faces while singing
the point of music isn't how you look.
+DestrolioOnline Tell that to Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Demi Lovato, Justin Bieber, Beyonce, etc. etc.
what? he can't sing at all. It's the microphones! I chose the right microphones!
minutes ago I'd like to hear you speak. His baby voice would go to the X Factor but I bet your normal voice wouldn't even reach a competition
The NW-8000 sounded great for its price
The SM58 sounded soft
The SM7B is the best with price and quality
The U87 it's good but there's something wrong that I can't put my finger on it
Triple Stabber The U87 is "too" perfect in many situations. I like to think of it like image quality. If your picture target is one that contains imperfections, you don't want a camera that will catch so much detail that it amplifies unwanted blemishes. A mic should also catch as much detail as desired, but without also digging into vocal imperfections. Thus it depends on the singer.
Good point
Triple Stabber By something wrong, do you mean it's ridiculous price?
It might be the sibilance that's bugging you with the U87. It's probably a new U87ai, which is a little less smooth in the highs than a vintage U87. Not necessarily a bad thing (the highs help with clarity), it just means it might need some de-essing to tame those t's and s's.
I find the U87 too bright for my vocals. The SM7B has a really nice smooth high range.
My first mic looks almost exactly like that. It was an Aukey and had no actual model name. It did it's job and rather well for the price. In fact, for about $35, I got the mic, a mic arm, a shock mount and a cable. I've since moved on to a dynamic Behringer XM8500 for certain vocals and an MXL 440 condenser for others. Those are what my budget allowed. I spent more money on power conditioning and vocal hardware processing than the mic. I can see why doing it the other way around can be better, but I don't really regret anything.
He Forgot to say that he’s running them through a $1000 apollo twin that makes even the cheapest mic sound great.
I've used the nw 800 and without a super expensive audio interface it sounds great
1) it's called controlling your variables, in this case, the only variable here is the microphone.
2) A high quality pre-amp/power supply cannot add information.
He said he was using it and held it up to show everyone.
That's not how it works.
1:21
THIS MIC WAS THE BEST FOR ME! 3:10 !
p.s.s. santosh it was great i must say
xlr vs usb xlr wins most of the time
neewer has no low end, but still an amazing mic for its price. the neumann is just beautiful
Leaf Roblox is neewer 800 really good for singing?? because I am looking for an affordable microphone...
Prachi Sharma You're from India.Samson Condensor comes with free shipping and has an awesome instrument recording.I don't know 'bout vocals.
for singing, I heard no difference
DruggedLemon yah there was no difference
DruggedLemon you must not have ears
Well, thats probably because your speakers/headphones aren't great quality. Or maybe I just have a trained ear. Either way I heard a world of difference between them.
Last time I checked, I had ears
Yes but are they trained? I have legs last I checked, but that doesn't mean I can run a marathon tomorrow.
They all sound close enough, that if you don’t truly need the expensive mic then the 20 dollar one is all you need
i thought the gold one was supposed to be better lol
Miss Lynxie no....
c-cuz its gold... and fancy-looking
this is not the video for me
Miss Lynxie you are a gold digger.
Miss Lynxie me too
now you're aware how you get tricked by your own brain on a daily basis
Dang he's good at singing
Yeah that's what I thought. I don't really like that kind of singing because I like heavier music in general but he has a pretty good quick change of speed while keeping a very clear note. Impressive.
Raul A.M. Gutierrez auto tune
even famous popstars use a bit of autotune
I don't know what his eyebrows are but I like it...
He has a song about his eyebrows.
An outward symptom of a very painful medical condition.
@Qbe Root really? what is it. (sorry if ur being sarcastic)
i could absolutely not tell the difference in the singing comparison. it's crazy how much of a difference an EQ and background music can make.
Lol i thought the golden one was $3600
That handsome guy same
That handsome guy too
That handsome guy same
That handsome guy same
That handsome guy same
3:55 dammnnn Andrew your nails are on fleek!!!! the shape of your nails are so pretty!!!
It's gay
*****
Didn't say he was gay tho'
Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Painting your nails isn't gay, it's just a normal thing to try.
HA! GAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!
MrFluffy Koala btw he has a wife so he's not gay.. if that's what you thought?
Neumann for the win 😍 that's what I use for most of my vids 🎙
Madilyn Bailey omfg
wow, what bring you here hahah
Madilyn Bailey you're real
I am the biggest fan of you Madilyn , i just love all your songs
I really don't think the Neumann is that much better than the SM58...but just my opinion.
I get that the response is a lot fuller but a lot of that low end will get cut off and EQ'd in post anyway.
The key to any test like this is keeping the distance from sound source to the diaphragm exactly equal and constant. There appears to be a difference in distances during this test. Would love to have seen the EV RE-20 included here.....
Those are some weird looking note blocks.
Now you made me hungry with this candy
Can you make a song using the cheapest/free DAW's, plugins and mics/instruments. Maybe like using MuLab, DSK's VSTs and FX, and the NEEWER?
Zipydooda i like this idea!! seconded
That's a great ideo
and a cheap behringer interface!
uhhh. Zipy do you REALLY mean cheapest... because you can get a 99 cent mic... do you really wanna hear the 99 cent mic vocals UGH.
Zipydooda if your so interested in the idea then do it your self.also is cheap so dont expect this dude to do anything
Your video is very well made. Great creativity, full of humour, high professionalism. I really appreciated it and thank you for it.
You are really good! My interest is in producing TH-cam videos or podcasts, not music, but I just now subscribed because this video is an example of how to convey useful information in a clear and entertaining way, without the form distracting from the substance. Well done!
The bottom is telling the truth
The top is lying^
JoezCodes 101 ™ saw this copy n paste
and why do i care?
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Are USB mics any good, Like the Snowball and Yeti? How do they compare to the NW 800?
Baby Guzman you can go on a channel called podcastage, he literally compares every low priced microphone
If you are spending money from the 50 to 100 range get an Audio Technica 20-20, for the most part it's a good mic but do watch reviews to see
i wouldn't pay retail price for the Snowball but if you can find it on sale it is a good option
USB mics are a guaranteed downgrade from normal XLR mics. Like yeah you can get some good USB mics, but for the same price point you could split your budget to include an interface (a lot of mics don't even need phantom power) and you'd be getting something much higher quality.
Baby Guzman The Snowball and Yeti are okay. I have a friend who has a Yeti and he lives in a house with all wood floors and the Yeti does not handle it well always echoing and stuff, an acoustic nightmare. It's awful. But I know other people who have a Yeti and it sounds okay, but you would really want a shock mount. The Yeti really picks up every vibration.
I love to hear someone young, intelligent and avoiding stereotypes. Nice fluent talk, fast-pace video with an attitude! Tob job bro!
But why is nobody commenting on his amazing performance. He is a great singer!
We're all used to it by now xD
Ann Carancie shut up it's good there
Because that's not the Point.
Yolo Lexi uh...he’s okay. I just want him to open his voice up!
Yolo Lexi because its about the microphones not his skills
I thought the 400 dollar mic and the 3600 dollar mic were pretty much the same
lil waddlin penguin I thought the 20$ one an 3600$ sounded the same
you might be tone deaf
Ch3cknow I'm pretty sure i hear fine I just don't like wasting money
I would like to hear the telefunken u47 against that 3600 dollar microphone... (telefunken is 10 666euros or 12 500usd)
Nah. The u87 did sound better than SM7B. Not 3200 dollars better but definitely better. That's just neuman mic's in general though.They are the ultra high end products that cost a ton more but only sound a fraction better. There's always a market for products like that.
Blind test: Everytime I looked it was the Neumann
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Did that first blind test with my eyes closed, and man you sing good!
DUDE THANKS I WAS GONNA BUY A MIC TOMORROW THANKS FOR HELP BRO!!! :D
I use a PS2 SingStar Pop mic whenever I need vocals, and it's fine. Just a bit of noise in the background but that is faint and nothing Audacity can't do.
My budget is so cheap that cheap-o mic is still high, and I try to use free programs the most possible. LMMS for music making, Audacity for recording audio for samples, and Zynewave Podium for recording actual main melody vocals, because it has a tempo marker.
André Domingues a audacity, an audacity? dunno
Matthew Shaw Ooh, thanks!
Actually, Audacity is a Proper Noun, that being the name of a piece of software, and shouldn't be proceeded by A or An. It should read "Just a bit of noise in the background, but that is faint and nothing Audacity can't do."
Ok, thanks! I know this is a bad excuse, but I'm not a native speaker and not exactly stimulated in actual sentence forming in English, so these help me quite a bit.
I was thinking sort of like doing a Google or having a bit of a TH-cam or something like that, but yes
I like how the Neumann sounds. It instantly sounded like a record from the 80s.
Who noticed Andrew painted his nails?😂
Lalakittycat 22 me
I was looking for this comment
Only 1 hand? A Michael Jackson thing going on?
Lalakittycat 22 3:47
Lalakittycat 22 lol I noticed
That song Water, the chorus is AMAZING
To me, I thought it went, from worst to best:
SM58, NW-800, SM7B, U87, so basically the same as Andrew, just the first 2 switched.
I get that the SM58 might sound fuller than the NW-800, but to me it just doesnt make up for the dull sound it produces.
Jacob Hawkins Same. It sounds bassy but not clear.
Same here, I would also add that for me the difference between the two last ones are very small according to me. So I guess that even if a had a huge budget I'd probably go with the third one.
SM58 is a Dynamic mic while NW-800 is a Condenser mic, Condenser mic has better sound quality, mostly being used for studio recording while Dynamic is suitable for Live performance, can be drag around, be around loud back ground noise, less back ground noise picking in trade for lesser sound/vocal quality.
Good vid man, very useful 👍👍
how do you remove the static from the nw-800 in audacity and other programs?
AnimeKiva it's the way you record, I'm guessing you're just plugging the mic into your computer with a lead. You'll need to buy an audio interface and plug the mic in with an XLR cable
In Audacity, highlight a portion of a track that is just the static/background noise, then get the noise profile by clicking Effect -> Noise Removal... -> Get Noise Profile. You can then highlight tracks or pieces of tracks and click Effect -> Noise Removal... -> OK to filter those sounds.
By getting an interface. Get an interface with pro tools, then you won't have to use audacity anymore and you're mic will sound as good as his.
@Brian Yes, that definitely helps but it still will never sound as good as it does in this video. I need to buy an interface myself because it just sounds like shit through my Mobo and I tried a USB sound card, sounded the same.
Select a part of silence and go to effect>noise removal>get noise profile>then select all your audio and go to noise removal again. If there is a "hum" you can also use a notch filter set at the frequency of the hum and then use noise removal after. Still though, it's best to just not have noise to begin with so here's some ways to do that:
It's a condenser, so first off make sure you're using phantom power.
By default it probably ships with an XLR to 1/8" cable. Use an XLR male to female and plug it into the XLR mic input on an interface and adjust gain high enough without hitting the noise floor. If you want something better than that, either get a better interface with a better built in preamp (any worthwhile upgrade would be super expensive) or run your mic XLR into a preamp and then run a 1/4" TRS line out from the pre into a line in on the interface and do gain and phantom power from the pre.
I’ve never heard you sing in the high range. Nice voice, man!
Just a point-out for some in the comments saying there's no difference - It also depends on the quality of your Headphones to notice details more obviously. :^d
"I can't afford this mic" says a person with over 1 million video views each video 😂
this was 4 years ago
Lmao. XD
I personally own the Shure SM7B. Love that microphone to death. Even if I would start using more expensive brands (considering getting a Neumann TLM 102 right now), I would still use the SM7B for some projects just because of how solid the quality is. If you at least want a solid professional microphone where you are willing to add in that extra cash to get it, I could not recommend it enough.
you may do audio stuff profesionally but don't buy neumann stuff cause they are a bunch of rip off you can get just as good if not better mics for cheaper price. And I would not buy a neumann ever because they don't care about the sound it is just about the money
I listened to a bunch of different microphones to make my decision. The TLM 102 is actually among the cheaper Neumann mics out there, if not the cheapest, and I preferred the sound of that one when compared to its bigger brothers the TLM 103 and 107, just to give an example. The only Neumann models I thought sounded better than the TLM 102 were the U87 and M149, but they were completely out of the question considering the pricing. I even compared the TLM 102 to other brands within the price range I was looking for and did not think they sounded as good for my preferences.
Neumann may be expensive, but they are still high quality microphones. If you can afford one, it is at least worth considering getting one if it fits your recording preferences.
I am using a focusrite 2i2 studio pack , very good
Look into the WA-87 by Warm Audio if you are wanting a U87 sounding mic. Its about 600 bucks and it was made to sound like the vintage u87, not the current U87ai. I heard A B tests and they sound very similar. Im planning on getting one soon.
+Ekeezee Just looked it up. Nice quality, but I already got my Neumann TLM 102 last week. Pretty happy with it, but if I ever decide to get another mic I will consider the WA-87. =P