As annoying as the original Frozen was, the characters had purpose and heart. Olaf symbolized the childhood innocence of the sisters since he was made by kid Elsa to entertain Anna. He saved Anna in the end. In the second one, he's NOTHING but comic relief. Kristoff became NOTHING but a background character. Arendale was very important in the first film, but now it's barely anything because they're focusing on Elsa's identity. They tried to flesh out the parents but with underwhelming development. At least the original had heart; I felt like the second one is one big exposition sequel instead of world building.
They actually made the parents worse because at least with the first movie they wete naive about magic so they did whatever they were told to do thanks to that pebbleman. Yet, Frozen 2 shows they were aware of magic, especially Iduna, so you'd think after being told Elsa and Anna would have to be separated for life, as well as Anna's memories being removed, they'd go to Athohollan to get a freaking second opinion on that night!
@@kennycomet354 Huh. I thought it was always there because Iduna sings the lullaby to Elsa and Anna, more with the former. Also, the parents were going there which got them killed in the first place. If the movie had a scene where Iduna found out about the place, idk how, and then she told her husband, then it would've made sense.
Let's not also mention how the cut scene for them parents wanting to explain everything to Anna cause they didn't wanna seem like they were leaving her in the dark and showing favoritism to Elsa.They instead make it very clean who the favorite was (before the incident with Elsa)with the mom and Elsa,they were gonna show them actually caring for both and feeling that Anna should know only to not get the chance which would have been great for Anna's plot while Elsa had her plot going on finding herself.
It actually is world building, but instead of the smart enjoyable way the whole story is just an infodump of lore for a world that didn't need it, because the original stood on its own for its messages instead of just trying to court the lore nerds to fill a wiki, and as a result frozen 2 is so boring and cliche
And the idea of Elsa being the fifth spirit due to her ice powers made no sense, it would make way more sense if she was the water spirit or was blessed by the water spirit to control it.
That'a a good point, she could have been the water spirit, and the kelpie water horse could have been her ward or whatever. So Elsa mastering ocean traversal would be meaningful, as she is coming into her role as a water spirit. Or something like that.
Ice is literally just frozen water. Her being the water spirit would've made for more of a plot-twist while having a spirit literally named the ice spirit was way too obvious. Or, perhaps they could've had the water spirit be split in half, so that way both the horse and Elsa coexisting would make sense. They really didn't need two entirely separate spirits.
@@Ammy-q4w or Elsa and other people with powers can control the four spirits, and they all need to get together to control the spirits so they can find the fifth spirit to restore balance.
@@KaeMcSpadden Yeah, Elsa being the fifth element made NO SENSE given that ICE IS SOLID WATER. The four spirits should have been seasonal instead of elemental, with Elsa representing Winter.
6:20 I have no idea who thought mentioning Hans a bazillion times when he’s completely irrelevant was a good idea. He’s not even a good villain and they’re mentioning them like he’s a GOATed villain? They didn’t even mention Turbo ONCE in the Wreck it Ralph sequel even though he’s much better of a villain and at least SORTA thematically connected to the plot more due to Vanellope (his victim) going Turbo, aka game-jumping. This is just straight-up disrespectful.
Honestly, I’m glad Turbo isn’t at least brought back to life. Considering fans critique Vanellope leaving her game as an example of breaking the first film’s established rules, then Turbo coming back would be breaking another established rule: Video game characters don’t regenerate outside their own game and permanently stay dead.
You know the director of this movie at this point has just some petty grudge against him so I just assume all of this was thrown in to satisfy the children that hold the same grudge she does. I just feel bad for Santino Fontana, Hans voice actor, who actually wanted to come back for the sequel. I feel it is just really disrespectful. Also Once upon a time, one of my favorite shows of all time, wanted to give him a backstory, maybe even redemption arc. I believe Hans would have been a perfect "villain" to redeem, I mean they did redeem Regina who actually did kill like thousand of people. But Disney Was like: "We want to have the opportunity to redeem him IF we make a sequel". Wow that aged Well.
@@larissaweasley9165nd your right. He actually was supposed to be redeemed because he just does not make sense as a villain no matter how much you look at it. He was made a villain because they needed somebody to take the fall so Elsa and Anna were not hated… And if you look at the director… specifically Lee… ya… she is one of those toxic feminist that think men are to blame for everything. It’s pretty obvious especially in the sequel where she even went as far as ruining Kristoff to make Elsa and Anna look good. To be honest. He clearly was not redeemed because the moment he was redeemed it would make Elsa and Anna look bad.
@@lilac3266Actually it does because in real life, sisters do separate as they get older. I miss my twin sister and I have to get used to not being able to celebrate our birthday together as we used to. Plus, Elsa had a reason to leave as she discovered she and her sister are both the sides of the bridge to the spiritual and human side and as the one with ice powers, she’s supposed to be the guardian of the elemental/magical side while her sister, without magic powers, is supposed to be the guardian of the human/mortal side. So they’re fulfilling the roles that were crafted for them by the elemental spirits.
@@hunterolaughlin yeah but these are royal sisters whose whole brand is the fact they were separated for 13 years and found eachother again. Making elsa live in the forest was a terrible decision because she’s not there for Anna anymore. Yes sisters separate in real life but the royal family atleast in Disney always live in the castle
I saw the making-of for this movie and it was really eye-opening. Even the people making the movie couldn't settle on who the voice Elsa was hearing was supposed to be! it's no wonder why watching this movie felt so weird. They really needed more time, but it felt like Disney absolutely REFUSED to make a delay. They already had Captain Marvel, Avengers Endgame, Toy Story 4, the live-action Aladdin and live-action The Lion King. Did they really need ANOTHER big theatrical release that year? it's like all they cared about was making sure Frozen 2 was out for the holiday release even if the story needed work.
And in the documentary we also see that they cut a lot of scenes and rewrote the script, after a screen test with children didn't do as well as they expected. So they wanted to make it easier to comprehend for children, by cutting down scenes where major plot points got explained. It's baffling to be honest, this could have been a great continuation to the fist movie, but given the short time span they had for making the movie, the rewriting and important scene cutting, the writers not knowing clearly what storyline they are going for, kinda ruined a lot. The songs and the overall ideas for the story are great, but the execution for the movie as a whole wasn't that good.
If anything this video is just telling me to go watch the making-of of this movie, because Frozen II is just if you forced a writer to turn in their first drafts without any editing and made it the final product. The worst part is I don’t even think the writers are bad… they just really needed more time. That really sucks cause as a writer myself, sacrificing a project for a deadline is one of the worst things ever
To be fair, that has been a terrible issue with Disney for a long time. They just rush the sequels because they're only interested in money ot even worse: they just put the first 3 pilot episodes of a scrapped TV show on DVD and sell it as an official sequel. Never trust a sequel made by Disney because you know it will be of poor quality. I neither blame the animators nor the writers. They just have to work with what they get and don't get any saying in that matter
The fact that back then, people compared Frozen to The Lion King is an insult. When I saw it, I didn't think it was good, let alone as good as the lion king. The Renaissance will always be the best era for Disney.
I think it’s absolutely bullshit that the film tries to pretend Anna and Elsa’s parents were good parents when they absolutely were not. And I just LOVE how this film just throws Elsa’s character development from the first movie out the window so she can go be the world’s best dressed hermit. It’s ridiculous.
throwing out the character development seems to be happening a lot with recent disney sequels same thing happen with toy story 4 and ralph breaks the internet
The film did NOT throw Elsa’s development in the first film away in the sequel. Elsa leaving her kingdom in this one is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from when she left in the first film. In the first film, Elsa left due to fear of her powers and the fear of the citizens of Arandelle, thinking her to be a potential monster that could cause danger with her ice powers and since she was their queen and had power over them at the time, they assumed she could use them at any time against them. So in that film, she left to keep herself as well as her people safe so she wouldn’t risk hurting or even potentially killing them with her powers. In Frozen II, Elsa leaving is fulfilling the duty the elemental spirits assigned to her as part of the other half of the bridge, also know as the fifth spirit, being the guardian of the elements and the Northuldran and maintaining the relationships between the Northuldran and the spirits. So, she’s not living as a hermit as she has the Northuldran tribe in the Enchanted Forest and the Elemental Spirits to watch over. Also, did you forget that the ending shows Elsa mounting Nokk to ride to Arandelle to visit her sister for family fun night, basically confirming she hasn’t entirely abandoned her kingdom? “Did you take stupid pills this morning?” - Mr. Potato Head
That's actually a problem that most Disney sequels face. Also, I don't think Elsa had any character development in the first film as she just did what the plot demanded without any character-driven motivation. She doesn't stop being a hermit because she realizes it's bad for everyone, she does it because Hans literally dragged her to the palace and then she decided to stay because Anna's act of true love somehow made her control her powers.
I never saw them as good parents. I’m literally in the midst of making a 4 hour long philosophical analysis of the film (an entire 20 minutes of it is just about Goethe, and another 25 about Aquinas), and in the script I wrote I emphasize each time, nonchalantly, that he is cruel and abusive, regardless of whether he was I’ll-intended or not. He’s certainly the most consequential character in the franchise, as his idea of locking his daughter away in order to protect her, her sister, the kingdom, and himself (and his image) ultimately has the unintended consequence of nearly destroying all of those things.
Ik I miss the Snow Queen Elsa of Arendelle from Frozen 1. She was one of the best Disney characters ever. Princess Anna was too. F2 just ruined them and the entire story. It’s really sad honestly. I hope Frozen 3 brings back the Snow Queen Elsa & Princess Anna from Frozen 1. I also hope they bring back their iconic Frozen 1 outfits & braided hairstyles. I miss those
@@whitedragoness23 yeah it’s honestly so sad. There are so many people who worship F2 and this messed up version of Elsa and Anna. And Disney keeps on promoting it and marketing F2 and it’s sweeping Frozen 1 under the rug. As someone who grew up and loved the first Frozen, this is really heartbreaking
You know a movie is bad if you can watch the deleted scenes and they make a more interesting movie then the actual movie did. It's a double sad cause I always hated Kirstoff's song in the movie,so to hear that proposal song in the deleted scenes and find it's a better song along with Kristoff having a much better spot in the story is so disappointing.
I hate that they've completely changed Elsa's personality. She was poised and elegant in Frozen 1, traits that are rare in disney female characters. Frozen 2 throw that out of the window. Now she's a wild and untamed white Pocahontas 2.0. 😒 (and don't get me started on her clothes - sandals and leggins, really? Why does she dress like a soccer mom?) Also she liked being a queen. She was literally raised for that role. Suddenly frozen 2 is trying to tell me she actually hates it and wants to abandon her kingdom and go live in a forest. That sequel is such a bad joke. And the world-building... *facepalm* frozen 2 has the most bland and boring lore I've ever seen in a fantasy movie. All magic in this world comes down to a water horse, fire lizard and walking rocks. Really, disney? Is that all you can come up with? A 5 year old kid is more creative than them. There is also no other magical people because they want Elsa to remain *oh so speshul and only one of her kind*. Frozen 3 will be even worse. Why? Because they f___cked everything (characters, lore, plot ) up and there is literally no story left to tell.
@@ninjagirl226 I know, right? And she looks so washed out in that outfit. 😂 Pair that up with her weird pink-ish skin tone at the end of the movie and the final result is just so unaesthetic. They really need to bring Elsa's blue clothes back again.
@@lysander3459 I really liked her dress from the Christmas short. The dark blues work better than the light blues but that’s my hot take. Though the light blues can work; the coat in the second movie was alright just not Queenly if that makes sense.
Finally! Someone that understands Elsa and Frozen! You’re absolutely right and I agree with everything you said. Frozen 1 Elsa was almost perfect and one of my favorite Disney characters of all time. She loved being queen and cared about her family and kingdom more than anything. She sacrificed her personal freedom because of her fear of hurting her loved ones. When she learned to control her powers, she no longer had to make that sacrifice and could live happily ever after with the people she loves most. We see that theme continued in the Frozen shorts like Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure. She loved being queen. Then in Frozen 2, they threw everything great about her character out the window like you said. She cared more about being a spirit than being with her family. She left her kingdom to live with these indigenous people she just met even tho she judged Anna in Frozen 1 for wanting to be with someone she just met. She also was bothered by the cold in F2 even tho she famously said “The cold never bothered me anyway” She also cared more about the fire lizard and water horse that almost killed her and her family. These are just a few examples of how they ruined her character. I could go on longer but I’ve already said enough. The ending of Frozen 2 makes me so mad. I wish Frozen 1 was a stand alone movie. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure are better sequels to Frozen 1 than F2 was. I also hate the white dress and loose hair for Elsa. It’s so pale and the loose hair doesn’t fit her. It suits Rapunzel better. I liked Elsa’s iconic braid and her blue ice dress from Frozen 1. That is the best and most iconic Elsa look. I hope they bring back the Elsa from Frozen 1 as well her Frozen 1 outfit and hairstyle in Frozen 3. That is the only way I can see them fixing this series
@@ninjagirl226 I hate that white dress and loose hair. I also love Elsa’s dark blue outfit from Olaf’s Frozen adventure. It’s my 2nd favorite Elsa outfit after her blue ice dress from Frozen 1. That Frozen 1 dress and braided hairstyle is too iconic and the best Elsa look. I hope they bring back that Frozen 1 Elsa look in Frozen 3
I will always say that it was a missed opportunity that kristoff never tried talking to the golems. He lived with rock trolls for years surely he could converse with other earth spirits.
I honestly think I could somewhat enjoy Frozen movies if it was not for Anna and Elsa's parents. Disney is always criticized for the fact that their characters grow up without mothers or fathers but ironically here it would be a blessing. They are just a total mess.
Frozen 2 had a lot more potential because it could expand on the first one and make it even grander, but the problem is that it was way to rushed from a creative standpoint they tried to do too much in a very little time
Apparently they had a better more complex storyline at first. But when they first showed the movie to a selected audience as a trial, the children didn't understand/like the plot, so they had to re-write the entire thing, which they didn't have enough time for. (I've heard this a pretty long time ago, so I don't remember the source.)
@@paulinemoira8442 I heard the director already decided before production that Anna & Elsa would separate. That’s already a setup for disaster because that contradicts the purpose of Frozen 1 and also, those are like the only characters in fiction that should never be separated after seeing how they were marketed for so many years. They had multiple scripts and drafts all with the same ending. So they decided to make a plot to try and fit that ending. The problem is that no matter which draft they used, it would ruin Elsa’s character because of the ending. Honestly because of this, I wish they never made a sequel. Im like 99.99% sure this information is true
Olaf wanting to grow up kind of makes sense if you consider Olaf to be a projection of Elsa’s desires. Olaf himself being the snowman Elsa made to entertain Anna, symbolizing her desire to regain that relationship with her sister. Olaf’s desire for summer in the first film symbolizes Elsa’s desire to overcome the eternal winter her powers represent. Olaf’s desire to grow up then would symbolize Elsa’s desire to leave her parents’ house and find her place in the world. And yeah Elsa’s power being a fifth spirit really doesn’t make sense.
I can forgive frozen for being mediocre with it's story, i still think it's still fun and the music is Nice... But for frozen 2 i couldn't even remember the story before this video, i've never felt the need to watch it again, good for the animation team for achieving beautiful visuals but that's all...
It was because they used a "tell, don't show" on how the movie progressed. I think because animation has gone too good that it cost too much to rely on it in narrative making, they even advertise their animation as "ultra detailed"
I remember having visited Disney World at around the time Frozen 2 released and the amount of merchandise on it was mind numbing. It was especially painful because there were shelves FULL of toys of the water horse (seriously?) and Elsa dolls with her 3 different outfits at like 50 bucks each. It really puts into perspective what Disney’s goal was with releasing this sequel…
Exactly,they don't care about the other characters,just Elsa cause let it go made her big.Which makes even more no sense since the movie was about two sisters and they completely disregard Anna!?(just like their parents.)
They didn’t care about the story. They literally have 10 outfits total for Anna and Elsa in the sequel (5 for Anna and 5 for Elsa) which is insane because they only had 4 total in Frozen 1 (2 for Anna and 2 for Elsa). They also shoved characters aside to have them sing solos songs that no one cares about like that stupid song Kristoff sang. They also made a stupid fire lizard and a water horse to sell toys. It was obvious they were trying to make as much money as possible and were willing to ruin the characters for the sake of it 🙄 it pisses me off
I actually got very obsessed with Frozen when it came out because I *really* wanted to like it. The characters were interesting, the setting was cool (pun intended), and the songs were amazing. But... omg, I could just never get behind the story lol. At least in the musical they expanded on all of the characters, and it felt more coherent overall. Then Frozen 2 came out and my obsession evaporated faster than an snowman in summer lol. It was just so badly done! And the ending made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I even stopped liking the characters I'd fallen in love with in the first movie; everyone sucks now. Tbh I have absolutely zero expectations for Frozen 3. it seems it'll just be yet another cash grab.
I can completely agree with you,I was once in love with the film and was mainly a fan of Anna cause although she made the dumb mistake of falling in love with the first man she met,she was a good character that I could see potential in. Like how much she had been pretty much carrying the kingdom on her back while Elsa hid away,always checked on Elsa even if she did get to see her.Still loved Elsa and had a smile on her face seeing her when she had no memory of why Elsa shut her out.I was honestly surprised that girl did have any form of depression from the sucky life she got stuck with and having no idea how it happened. Then we get frozen 2,where they disregard everyone except Elsa and mostly for merch purposes.The cut scenes could have saved the frozen franchise but they didn't put them in which is saddening and made me no longer love the it but just get annoyed that is basically "The Elsa movie but there are these guys too I guess."
@@rashes2286 they already ruined Anna’s and Elsa’s character in Frozen 2. Frozen 1 should’ve been left alone. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure felt like better sequels than F2
It would've been interesting for Anna to get fire magic. Fire is inherently destructive, but it can also create light and warm people up. I would've liked to see Anna come to this realization on her own. She also could've had conflict with Elsa due to being afraid of hurting her since heat can melt ice. Her emotional outbursts would've made her start losing control of her powers, but Elsa would be able to reassure her, proving how much she has grown since the first movie.
@@Ammy-q4w I get the concept behind it, but I just don’t think Anna should have powers. Her being ordinary (as she said in the first film) is part of what makes her special. But you know what, maybe the fire power plot line could’ve worked because it might’ve kept the characters consistent with their development. Anything could’ve worked better than what actually happened in F2. Frozen 1 was a great stand alone movie that should’ve been left alone (the shorts are fine tho)
Frozen 2 should've been a miniseries, about ten episodes, each 45-60 minutes. That way, the other characters, plot, the world building, and themes could've been more fleshed out. I mean, they did it for Tangled. But, apparently, it was more important for them to make their deadline as they've never missed one than to make an interesting story that could've been darker and more complex but would've taken them more time to develop. Maybe I'm wrong, but Disney could've risked that change of direction. Captain Marvel, Endgame, Spiderman: Far From Home, and Toy Story 4 made billions. They were well set and could've done it.
Lol mini series *suggests something that would’ve been 5x more work* This movie felt like a dumb kid show’s big finale at the end of the season, so that’s probably why you think that. But they were rushed and demanded to make a sequel asap.
I'd rathey they made a regular TV series that fleshes out the story, characters, and worldbuilding, while also having some compelling and convincing antagonists and villains.
I’m surprised that’s your critique with this film after how you critiqued the first film for not making Elsa the antagonist. (I refuse to see her as a villain).
I wish they touched on Elsa’s mental health and anxiety more. I would have loved to see that. Not seeing her getting a new wardrobe and calling it different. Her new personality was too soon. Even my little sister said so. She told me they should make a series about frozen focused on Elsa more. The songs were great, the animation was top notch, the twist was disturbing and Anna was getting some growth but the whole story itself was rushed. I hope if they decide to make a third film it will be better and filled with more rich storylines and depth.
I thought they were when Anna said to Elsa that she wished Elsa loved (or believed in?) herself like Anna did with her. I was really excited after that but then they forgot about it or was written out like everything else was..
I need to say what I really love about this movie is Anna's song, it is emotional and connects well with people who have lost their loved ones but need to find strength to move on. And... this is sad the song is underrated and this important theme was just wasted in this pathetic sequel.
I love that song, and I think part of it is Kristin's understanding that sometimes, all we can do is put one foot in front of the other. Looking at where you need to be can be overwhelming, so breaking things down makes it possible to progress. And I love that message. Especially as a therapist. Each step, no matter how small, is one step forward. You can't unlearn growth, even if it feels like you're going backward. The seeds are planted. The song resonates with so many people, not just those who have lost loved ones but everyone struggling. I realized that when I say Frozen 2 is better, it's actually the songs that I like better. Specifically, if listened to as a soundtrack. Honestly, both Into the Unknown and Show Yourself are so fun to sing and better than Let It Go. All Is Found is a sweet lullaby, and even the cut songs are pretty good.
My favourite song from the whole Frozen... series? Franchise? is Frozen Heart, the first song of the first movie. I just love it, and noone else seems to remeber that it even exists....
Also Klaus did a way better job with their representation of the Sami tribe than this film, the Northuldren look like a generic indigenous tribe, when this series took inspiration from the Sami tribe.
@@KaeMcSpadden and also the sami don’t live…. Or would want to be anywhere near spirits. Them and everybody in Scandanavia are terrified of spirits. For good reason.
I get the feeling that Hans was more supportive of Anna in the 1st movie (before the creators decided to make him a villain) than Kristoff was in the 2nd movie...
Especially keen writers (or people that enjoy stories) will notice that the script and story has a spliced feeling to it. You can almost pinpoint where they frankensteined different scripts together. Like rounding the edges of a square peg to fit a circle hole. Sure, it kind of fits, but it's still a square. Frozen is the epitome of this "splicing", and Hans is proof of that
I honestly thought the premise was kind of dumb, considering the entire plot of the first film was about saving the kingdom, they then seem a little too eager to destroy it when the case for that is a little shaky Edit: 5th element? All I can think of is that one Bruce Willis movie now 😂
I watched both the movies and I got to say. The parents are supposed the good guys but they literally imprison one of their daughter which is Elsa because of how dangerous her ice powers and their solution was locking in her room for mostly in her childhood until she the Queen. For Hans being a villain was out of nowhere like did they made him the main bad guy just to defend Elsa's actions because she's a female character. As for the sequel, they keep mentioning Hans alot when really he's irrelevant and not really important towards the story.
The rock trolls, especially Grand Pabbie, are the bigger villains. Scaring Elsa with the idea that her powers will have darker effects and never even stating how she's suppose to control her magic. But hey, we need to give them a funny song number, RIGHT? Seriously, they should have cut that song out and dedicate the time to trying to help Elsa with controlling her magic.
@@BloodyBraces Fair point. After all Elsa was changed from the villain to sell her dolls. So it's just more of the same here. Stupid, but more of the same.
I’m very skeptical about how Frozen 3 will look when it’s released. Also, why do we need another Frozen movie when the second one ended on a somewhat perfect note?
Kristoff on the first movie: i'm an ice mercader who says the truth without filter, and i'm going to help the protagonist save her kingdom, becoming her one and only true love Kristoff in the second movie: me sad bc pwoposing mawiage to Anna is scawy
That's one of my beefs with Disney these days, besides them being woke. All they want is money. Money, money, money, money, money. 😡 What happened to what Walt Disney HIMSELF once said: "I don't make movies to make money, I make money to make more movies"?
Elsa’s powers also don’t make any sense. If she’s supposed to create ice and snow then that’s all she should have the ability to do. Ice and snow only. All this fluff on sending messages or creating dresses instantly is just stupid! Does she have other magic powers or is it ice and snow because they can’t seem to decide on what they want out of Elsa.
i always will say I wish arendelle was destroyed. It would force arendelle to face the consequences of their actions and it would actually justify Anna being queen since she would more than likely take charge of the reconstruction. Seeing the people come together to build their kingdom under new rule a fresh start would be so much more rewarding than elsa stopping the wave
I know right? But it seems that the movie wanted to have it's cake and eat it, and because of that, the story feels super pretentious and condescending.
@@osmanyousif7849 the plot was such a disconjointed mess tbh. Also feels like they erased all the lessons from the first movie because surprise surprise elsa is ignoring anna again and putting herself in danger without any concerns
@@mckenzieeliza I mean I think Anna as queen was a good choice I just wish they gave background to it? like the scene that’s meant to show anna is a good leader is her leading trolls to crush a dam? why couldn’t we get some example of her caring for the people and giving support? or even again rebuilding the kingdom taking charge. Like I can see Anna as queen but it came out of NOWHERE
@@lilac3266 I honestly think it was Kristen Bell's idea, because she was jealous that people love Elsa more than Anna. I love both sisters, but Elsa helped me when I was at my lowest point in life. Honestly I think Elsa should be queen with Anna as her right hand person, and they work together to rule Arendelle. And Elsa doesn't go and live in the woods. 😂
I kinda like the first Frozen and agree to brush aside many of its flaws, the second one however. I have to say, I disagree with every single ideology presented in that film. We're being told by the so-called Spirit that the old king did some bad thing in the past. That is just one sided story since we don't get to see or hear anything from the old king's side. The conflict between him and the magic forest is the main plot and we already have a serious issue in its principle. We're being persuade to believe in finding the voice, finding truth without considering both circumstantial or hard evidence. We just have to believe everything the magic say. Why? I have suspicion when the main character utter these words and it strikes me hard when I saw the "memories scene" in the ice cave. That scene is the perfect example of information manipulation. Showing "truth" as things that we know to be true like events from the previous film then "half-truth" for story of the girl's parents that we know some but not the rest follow by, if you already fall for the tricks, "lie". This is a common practice in propaganda and Disney put it into this film. It's not just the plot but the principle behind it that bothers me. You take the testimony from one side of the dispute to judge the other side. The film intentionally discards the element of the town's folks so the audiences won't care about them, showing the snowman playing with kids after they're being thrown off their bed in the middle of the night then marching them in a panic parade up hill several miles out to make the audiences think it is OK for everyone. Worse, the film has Elsa, the main character saying "whoever did this is good". This is in everyway 'not good'. This is an indiscriminate attack against civilian, not just people of Arendelle but foreigners who live or work or simply being in town at the moment ate affected. It is established since Frozen that Arendelle is connected to the world. Elsa being 'a Spirit entity' instead of 'Human' with special ability attached to her is undermining everything at the ending of the first film. In Frozen, Elsa is person with ice power that can be seen as good or bad, depending on how she use that power. The accident on Anna cause her to look at the bad side of that power for the most part. It's the guilt that pulls her away from everyone including her family. The ending of Frozen isn't just Elsa overcoming the guilt and the fear but also acceptance from people. In one fanfic, Elsa said "I have this power, but it's not all that I am." I think that's the clear definition of Who Elsa truly is, not What she is. Elsa is the person not the power. Frozen II throw away the person in Elsa. Despite having both father and mother humans, she cameout to be a magical entity purposefully created for the use of the Spirit. Not talking about non-consent from her mother or whether any of her father's genetic material being part of her creation or not since the Spirit doesn't seem to cate if the man is dead or alive(it tried to kill him when hes a boy). Elsa in Frozen II eas born a magical creature, on par with other magical creatures in the magic forest. She can never choose to be otherwise because that is What she is, the power. Elsa in Frozen II can be the most insufferable, horrible, awful, despicable person and still being "the fifth spirit" as long as she has the power because it's the only requirement she needs. And Disney made kids believe that's a good thing. There are so many problems in mindsets, ethos, ideologies, heck even morality in the film Frozen II. Most of the bad films are just boring, badly written or dumb. Frozen II is in a different category. The biggest problems isn't from rushing or too many ideas to put in. It is the direction that lead to what it is. "I have the power to protect me, you don't." Elsa in Frozen II saying this into Anna's face. The very power that nearly killed Anna twice in Frozen. It's easy to overlook the important aspect of of it since people don't get to learn the excruciating pain Anna had to go through as parts of her body slowly turned into water at molecular level then almost in an instance, crystalize against the parts of her that are still living flesh. I almost yell "F..You" in the theater when I heard those words.
You’re so right! They really ruined Elsa in F2. In Frozen 1, Frozen Fever, and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure, she was a normal person with magical powers, and had a kind, reserved, caring, selfless, and introverted personality. She was introverted but also cared about her family and kingdom more than anything. In F2, she was a magical creature whose entire personality was just that. I miss Elsa from Frozen 1. Her personality in F2 is not only poorly written, but also contradictory to her character development from F1 and the shorts. I’ve made a lot of comments in this section already about this, but I can’t say enough
It wouldn't have saved the film but it would have been way better if the wave destroyed Arendelle. It works with the story they've set up and it also just doesn't make any sense that Elsa, even with the water spirit, would make it from Ahtohollan to Arendelle fast enough to stop the water. They took a long journey to the forest, and then Elsa took another long journey to Ahtohollan where she fell maybe a hundred feet into a cave, there's NO WAY she's making it back in time. Plus, imagine if Arendelle was destroyed (not badly) and Anna came back and told the citizens not to worry, and that they could fix this, acting like a leader. Elsa comes back, devastated to see she was too late to stop the water but notices Anna being a leader and cheering everyone back up. She decides to give the throne to her. This film looks gorgeous and a lot of the music is great, so I'm sad the story sucks ass.
I would’ve liked if Elsa’s power came from a curse instead and the sisters had to defeat the one who cast it, so we at least could’ve had a real villan for a change or something like that
I like to see Elsa's powers as a part of who she is. It's not good or bad, it just is, and it’s part of what makes Elsa who she is, and she wouldn’t be herself without it. I guess I see it as an analogy for my autism. 😅
Gosh, that does sound better! It certainly makes more sense than the spirits going all "Oooh, let's give her daughter a power that could be dangerous and ruin her life as thanks for her MOTHER helping us!" Not only that, but it would also truly explain why she has powers and the rest of her family doesn't!
Or it could go both ways as sort of a possession type thing. Like it’s an evil curse but Elsa finds a way to outsmart and defeat the villain to gain full control
Frozen 2 was a sequel you can tell had no direction. Nobody working on this movie had an idea that they said, "Let's put this shit to paper and make it great." It's a cash-grab and that's it. Not to mention they completely undid Elsa's character arc in the first movie and she yet again isolates herself and forces Anna and Olaf to leave her behind. Did Disney forget about a little thing we like to call DEVELOPMENT???
for frozen 2, they really should’ve gone with a plot that didn’t mean hijacking Elsa’s character development. In frozen 1, elsa actually was ok with being Queen at the end. this is very confirmed by Olaf’s frozen adventure and Frozen fever. So why suddenly did she want to leave and live in the forest? imo, despite it being cliche, they should’ve gone with a Hans revenge storyline/redemption storyline. Whichever. or if they wanted to do something different they could’ve done the whole finding out the grandfather was evil schtick, but gone about it without making elsa this fifth spirit.
Idk about the Hans redemption storyline, but I agree with everything else. I wish Elsa was the same Elsa we all grew up with in Frozen 1 and the Frozen shorts like Frozen Fever and OFA. I hope we see that Elsa again in Frozen 3
For me, Olaf clearly doesn't even belong in that world, design wise. The trolls were just time sinks. Utterly useless. The design of them was lazy and they were trying to base them off those wild haired toys that were famous a while back.
You know I never thought of that before but I think you’re right. Olaf looked like he belonged there in Frozen 1 but in F2, since the aesthetics were so not-Frozen-like, Olaf looked like he didn’t belong there
Once you watch any of the deleted scenes for this movie ur like…. Why didn’t THIS happen ???? It all made so much more sense before they changed it all up. Especially that scrapped opening song w Anna actually singing about WANTING to do more for the ppl of Arandelle, hence becoming queen, and the statue of their grandad being a symbol but actually being built on lies, hence once arandelle gets destroyed, so does his legacy and they’re free to build their own new ones, w Anna as queen helping her ppl like she actually wants to. Like give Anna character development dammit
i feel like a good concept for the film wouldve simply been the origin of elsa’s powers. they should’ve kept that as the main focus instead of throwing in all the other nonsensical stuff. i saw a comment saying elsa could’ve been blessed by the water spirit and that’s why she has ice powers. they could’ve had her and anna going on the adventure together instead of being split up like a repeat of the first film. kristoff could’ve been with them too, and they could’ve included some nice bonding moments for him and anna along the way. the voice could’ve still been linked to elsa’s mother. they could’ve kept the plotline about her parents bonding with the forest people without all the stupid “her grandfather built a dam and that’s the villain” plot. a new villain could’ve been introduced. so many routes they could’ve taken and they settled for a pretty lousy one.
15:40 she gets frozen because she “dove too far” in a river of ice, that’s what the warning in Iduna’s song is about. But yeah, it doesn’t make any sense for her to unfreeze
Frozen 2 tried to expand the world too much. It introduced two brand new locations (the forest and the iceberg), many new but irrelevant characters, the spirits, the king and queen's backstory, and the context surrounding the damn. The film also tried to give Kristoff and Olaff their own plotlines, which is honestly unnecessary, as they worked fine as supporting characters in the first movie. That is way too many elements to balance at the same time, and the film clearly didn't have enough time to flesh everything out, which resulted in a rushed and poorly explained plot.
Kristen Bell sounds like she's trying her absolute best with whatever material she was given to work with. Idina Menzel sounds like she's just ready to go home. "You're right, Anna. We've got to find the voice."
Kristoff's song was the best part because everything was stupid. When he started an 80s rock ballad, I just shrugged and said "finally something I know I can laugh at."
Looking at these two videos, I think it's pretty apparent that making Jennifer Lee the CCO of Disney Animation after John Lasseter left was a mistake, because the Frozen franchise is really what kickstarted all of the problems people are having with the Post-Revival era.
Jen Lee was a big reason why Frozen 1 was so successful and I applaud her and the others for that. I’m really glad it worked out because I really love Frozen 1. However I feel like she’s also the main reason Frozen 2 was so bad. It was obvious they tried to make money and didn’t actually understand the characters. I wish Frozen 1 never had a sequel
@@carissaap7003 glad you asked. Well she’s the director, so of course she’s responsible for the majority of the movie’s problems. I’ve also heard tons of people say that she decided before production that she wanted Anna to become queen and have the sisters separate, which is dumb because the whole first movie was about them getting back together. Lee ruined Elsa’s character in F2 by making her in love with nature and hating Royal life and her time in Arendelle. Elsa clearly loved royal life and enjoyed being queen. She was just happy to be with her sister and kingdom. The song “When we’re together” from Olaf’s Frozen Adventure proves that Elsa always wanted to be with her family more than anything, and that’s what brings the most joy to her. So Lee deciding to make Elsa unhappy at the start of F2 just contradicts all that. This is just one of the many things wrong with F2. I still give her props for Frozen 1 though
@@omarmohyuddin5672 naurr i wonder whats with her reason for that? And yeah now i undertand a lot of people criticized the sequel. Everyone is acting kind out of character also the lore is a bit too complicated? With the whole fifth spirities and ahtohallan stuff. For me they shouldve just introduce one or two thing And now theres going to be frozen 3? I highly doubt its going to be good..personally frozen shoulfve just end there or made it a good reason to have a sequeo
Unpopular opinion (I think?): I actually really liked Olafms comic relief in this movie because everything else felt wicked dull and underdeveloped. Sure, Olaf was really out of place. But it made more sense to his character than some of the other things we saw in this film. Like, at least he HAD a character? Kristoph? I don’t know this man 😂
In the game my singing monsters, they actually do have a cold element, represented by Mammott. In that game, the cold element is largely represented by fur (to keep warm), icy colour schemes (blue, white, faded colours), and occasionally ice. If you ask me, MSM handled the cold element way better than Frozen 2
I think we are at the point where movie studios need to be challenged to justify sequels, both in-universe and out. Are there loose threads in the last movie? Is there a another story or character arc to advance? Is there an overall plot so that even if the original feels perfectly self-contained like the first Star Wars movie, you can realistically promise there's more to gain than just nostalgia or shock value by going back to the story and characters? If you can't answer even one of those questions in the affirmative, then unless your series/franchise is episodic by design (ex. James Bond, Indiana Jones), then its probably not worth the trouble. Now here's a crazy idea: what if Hans was the protagonist to a spinoff preceding this movie, fresh from the events of the first, but with no contact in the film itself with the main characters? Think about it: imagine going on an adventure with a villain whose forced to realize what he did was wrong, has to cope with a ruined reputation of his own making, and after exploring how he became this way (on screen, I do not approve of relying on supplementary material to explain why characters do what they do), he slowly claws his way back to becoming a decent man, then an actual hero. For this, lets go with something simple: pirates that were ravaging his island home kidnapped one of the few people who loved and looked out for him growing up, and now he's trying to save them, but no one in his own kingdom or the surrounding ones trust him enough to lend any help or resources, so now he has to do it on his own. Just for the added appeal of a foil, lets say this pirate is a former sailor that he admired as a kid, but who became a villain over bitterness, ambition, and greed, and at several points, he tempts Hans to join him, but Hans is both focused on saving the previously mentioned loved one, and disgusted by the damage the villain unleashes on his own people, and this is what makes him see the man he was turning into and gets him to repent. No or little magic, just a swashbuckling adventure where he can fight the guy sword to sword, and slowly build his own following after proving himself over and over again. Imagine a spinoff like that, and only after reestablishing Hans as an actual hero, we get a Frozen II that finally reunites him with the main cast, who still don't trust him since they haven't actually seen his change, and he has to convince him of his betterment while also dealing with another threat that involves all of them-IDK, the Duke decides to get revenge and also enrich his country by starting a general conflict, and while Elsa can defend her own kingdom, the ones she's trading with are not so lucky, and moreover well...people are dying, so its a thing worth stopping. Perhaps even include an arms race as people like the Duke try to make weaponry to counter her powers, and she's slowly being outgunned and worn down after trying to handle such a foe on her own.
Don't get me started on how much I wanted this kind of sequel...from what I understand, a Hans-centric sequel was the initial idea or at least one of them, and then...THIS. He certainly isn't the greatest villain ever created, but there's so much that could be done with that...and that is what pisses me off. Lost potential. And I don't trust that announced threequel within an in of my life. I will admit this all stems from form my being an unabashed 'Helsa' shipper, and I will never accept it wouldn't work. It came into my mind when I saw the movie a third time in theaters back when, and it never left. People have written better fan fiction that makes it work than Disney could ever do as of late.
Frozen 2 was basically "The Elsa movie!...oh yeah and these guys are here too I guess."It seemed rushed and that was honestly disappointing since it had everyone hype on the trailer, especially for Anna being cool with a sword and showing she can handle herself.Which she already was with how she handles the kingdom better then Elsa and has been since before Elsa and Anna got back together.They downplay everyone else's story growth for Elsa cause she hit it big with let it go and has powers so she would make the most money in merch over the others which is their fault.Wish they actually did some of the story that they scraped for the movie like how originally they would have Anna and Kristoff talk about how he was feeling since he felt he wasn't worthy of Anna and felt nervous to purpose to her and the horse almost drowning him cause he was lying that he wasn't bothered by something.
I wish they had made a sequel about Elsa being antagonistic. Like going back to the original story that Elsa could have been the villain after all. It's like she'll have the existential crisis again.
The first ten minutes were good, but I then it just got confusing and a lot of stuff that happened was like "...Okay...why???" We left the theater shaking our heads and arguing with each other over the plot points. The animation looked gorgeous on the big screen though, I'm glad I saw it in theaters despite not liking it and seeing it as wasted potential with nuggets of really good/touching character moments like Anna telling Elsa that she wished Elsa believed/loved herself as much as she did. Also f their parents.
This one was disaster from the start. And how "ice" is the fifth element is beyond me. And elsa was a selfish dick. Also, yeah, I agree. I think the kindom should've been destroyed.
Since we're talking about it, I might as well pitch the half-cocked idea I got watching Frozen 2: douche-canoe. What if Anna were the one who got a calling for adventure? She finally got her sister back, she found true love, and the gates are opened - what more could she want? She tries to quiet that voice down but it won't leave her alone! There's internal conflict there but it's in line with her curious and headstrong personality. Plus, if Elsa (*who is magical) is the bridge between worlds, it makes more sense to have her be a Queen in the regular human world, and for Anna (*who is non-magical) to be the *other* half of the bridge, and she spends time in the magic world. This will sell many more Anna dolls. Elsa can adventure with her part of the movie, and return to the kingdom to do ice powers and get an outfit change. This will sell many Elsa dolls. My half-cocked idea might not be so half cocked. To be fair to idea-havers, they started animating before finalizing a script. So someone on the team probably had a similar idea - many good ideas no doubt - but the producers animated themselves into a corner before fleshing out the script.
Honestly Aladdin 3 has better send-off than Frozen 2. In Aladdin they tackle Cassim y he's terrible parent while Frozen 2 plays out "due to circumstances"
There's a couple plot holes you didn't mention (one quite big the other not so much) Anna wakes up the Rock Spirits to destroy the dam. Meaning the spirits could've done that by themselves to begin with. So, why didn't they? Also, if Olaf disappeared when Elsa "died" why didn't Marshmallow disappeared too? He's in the post credit scene. Also also, one last thing. Kristoff Actually way more chemistry with the reindeer boy. Kinda wish he ended up with him instead of Anna 🥲
Honestly, I don't care how out of place Lost in the Woods is! It's an 80's power ballad! And I need more of *that* in my Disney movies! Inject that into my veins!
Honestly, while it's still a "fan-fiction" TV Series, the Once Upon A Time arc with Ingrid and it's "sequel story" is honestly way better and even a highlight in the middle-seasons of that show (whose "arc" form after S2 was a HUGE MISTAKE, b4 that it went on for 4 or 15+ episodes with what was central to the story)-humorously the "Snow Queen" one got an extra episode). There was also no Olaf, only the elder troll. You are told about the mother, a hidden secret, Ingrid is a real actually sympathetic villain whom was over the edge and broken yet she made way too much sense. She also froze the kingdom for a really long time. And put herself through hell just to not be lonely after making a mistake (she was offered training and said nope the gloves). Even worse is this arc may have been a note but it totally wasn't planned and even feeling a little forced is better than the awful Frozen 2 mom plot, the fire lizard thing, and people trapped in some "out of time" land. Funny, that same show did a REALLY BAD "out of time" plotline the following season b4 Frozen 2 even had an official release date lol.
I think a really simple fix to the story would be to take the powers representing the five elements and change it to representing the seasons. Ice being the secret fifth element doesn't make any sense because -- like Aldone said -- it's just frozen water. If you change it to the powers representing spring, summer, fall, and autumn it would leave a place for the ice powers that makes sense and still leaves room for different types of powers that could be explored.
Frozen 2 was no different than the first Frozen. Only this time it didn't really have a villain. Everything else the same. Just like how everyone was making covers of the song Let it Go, they were making covers of Into the Unknown & Show Yourself. So many outfits of Frozen 2 Anna & Elsa, Fifth Spirit Elsa & Queen Anna. Frozen 2 games, Frozen 2 costumes, Frozen 2 books, Frozen 2 CD sountracks, Frozen 2 parodies on TH-cam, Frozen 2 radio tapes & Frozen 2 clothes. Once Frozen 3 comes, the whole cycle will repeat itself.😖
How is that the same? You brought up all the stuff that had nothing to do with the movie. The movies are completely different. What you just said was the goal behind making F2. F1 actually earned it. F2 only did it because F1 was so successful and was very marketable
I agree with everything except one thing: It did feel like Olaf’s comedy was a bit too over the top, but at least it makes sense since he is supposed to be the comedic relief, and for me the jokes weren’t too much and actually kept me sort of engaged in the movie since everything else was boring and I actually liked the existential crisis he was going through (I was able to relate 🥲). I also agree the Kristoff was completely out of character since in the last movie, he didn’t crave romance and was willing to take things slow, but this movie did a 180 and made him so clingy to Anna and annoying that I was actually hoping that she would break up with him and he would move on to the reindeer dude because like Aldone said, he had more chemistry with the reindeer dude. I don’t know why but this proposing plotline just p*ssed me off so much that it’s probably the thing I hated most in this movie.
Frozen 2 is the most forced, unnecessary, vague, and anticlimactic movie I've ever seen. It only exists for the sake of profit rather than continuing a story that was already concluded in the first movie. Very disappointing how much missed potential it had.
While I do agree with everything said , you missed one point. It's never explained why they needed to build a dam in the first place. Nothing practical , sentimental , ceremonial , or even for status. The rest of the video was still good though , nice job.
@@self-absorbed5269 on sidenote, this is why "tell, don't show" is generally bad writing. It took me 3 rewarch to know these lines which are crucial to the plot
@@angeloandres1079 , then why build a dam of all the stupid things?! If it were part of a prison wall , at least it would make sense. The fog barrier could be the gate , and the boundaries would definitive. Oh , that's another thing wrong! The fog barrier means absolutely squat. It's not well defined , and the writers forgot it existed until the very end.
I rewatched Frozen II recently and almost fell asleep. This has never happened to me before when watching an animated film. I had to distract myself with my phone to stay awake until the movie ended. It's so mind-numbingly boring and basically has all the same problems of the first one amped exponentially. What were they thinking?
This movie is not that bad. I like the songs especially Kristoff's ballad, it was funny and entertaining. The forest was beautiful, i like the Water spirit he had a pretty design. I wished we saw more Elsa and Anna's parents living in the forest instead of Elsa leaving her sister AGAIN to live with strangers. Apparently, she is obligated to be there because she's a spirit. First, that makes no sense. Second, ice is solid water. Third, the fifth element is Aether not ice. Fourth, the queen is not feeling sad to abandon her sister or for; forzing her heart which KILLED Anna, sending a giant monster after her because Elsa refuses her help, almost making every villagers freeze to death with a storm. She never cared about all that. I am supposed to find her kind? Nope, can't happen 😂
You do know that Elsa got very heartbroken once she found out that she accidentally froze Anna's heart right? She can't even control her own powers so, of course, she makes an ice storm when she is panicking big time. Her monster also wasn't going to hurt Anna, Kristoff, or Olaf because all he did was tell them to not come back. So you shouldn't be so harsh on her.
She was kind in Frozen 1 because she made all of her decisions (admittedly some of them were poor) with good intentions. She isolated herself out of fear and wanted to protect everyone. She was willing to sacrifice her freedom and personal life so that her loved ones would be safe. When she realized her power froze the kingdom and she hurt Anna, she started panicking and made even worse decisions but her intentions were still pure. When she finally learned to control her power, she could finally be free and not have to isolate herself anymore, meaning she no longer had to sacrifice her personal life. She could finally be with her sister and her kingdom. It was a happy ending. In Frozen 2, I agree with you that she wasn’t kind anymore. She was unhappy with her family (even tho that was all she wanted in the first movie, completely retconning the story 🙄) She was so self-centered and cared more about becoming a spirit than being with her loved ones and pushed them away for the sake of finding herself because learning to control her powers in the first movie wasn’t enough I guess 😒 I wish Frozen 1 was a stand alone movie. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure felt more like sequels to me than F2 did. Hopefully Frozen 3 fixes the story and characters but unfortunately I don’t think that’ll happen 😓
I only watched this movie once because it was so disappointing. I’ve always thought that Arendelle should have been destroyed (thank you for mentioning that btw) and that it should have been rebuilt by both of the tribes as a sign of like peace between the nations. At least then we would’ve got a decent ending
I had totally different ideas for Frozen 2 ever since I first saw it in theaters. I imagine a new protagonist named Silver. At first glance, Silver almost looks like a male Elsa but he contrasts her in a lot of ways: Silver is 20 years old, he's been trained at a young age to be a soldier and so his ice powers are more weaponized and combat-based, he doesn't have any ice-based clothing like Elsa, he's actually dressed in black soldier uniform, and he can't create sentient snow creatures. He is more comedic than Elsa but not the same way as Olaf. It's later revealed that Silver is Elsa and Anna's cousin. My Frozen 2 is a darker fantasy story somewhat based on Doom 3 and prototype 2 and it features Norse Mythology. The antagonistic demons are the inhabitants from Muspelheim (Realm of fire) Silver is sent here with a squad to help eliminate the threat caused by a rouge rock troll and save Arendelle. Its revealed that Silver and Elsa's ice powers come from Nifflheim (realm of ice) Silver loses his squad comrades, one by one, Elsa temporary lose her powers which causes Olaf to melt away. The leader of Silver's squad and Silver's superior, whom we can just call Sarge, is the last antagonist Silver kills right after the troll. Sarge is not a twist villain like Hans, he just goes insane as he turns into one of the fire demons and Silver had to stop him.
I can definitely see this with Silver as a Jack-Frost type character. I also like how you have Norse Mythology because it really was a missed opportunity in the existing films
I like to tell myself we didn't get a big Hans comeback because Santino Fontana is secretly holding him hostage. I like to pray he continues to hold him hostage as they work on part three.
The one thing that pisses me off more than anything about that entire movie, is that the whole, "Anna is the other side of the bridge" is a huge farce. It was just thrown in to make her seem important. To me, Anna should have been the fifth spirit. It was her love that helped Elsa, it was her love, faith and support that got them all that far, and yet this entire movie was just the Elsa show. I would understand if Elsa was the Guardian of Ahtohallan. Because it's a glacier, but her being the fifth spirit is a huge stretch. And if Anna was really as important as Elsa, why doesn't she have any magic? Not that she needs it, but with how much she's done, she's earned it. It just seems like saying she was the "other side of the bridge" was a huge cash grab and makes no sense.
@@EvelynL.1112 Someone who gets it! Whenever I have a discussion about it, people are always like, "Anna doesn't need magic it'll ruin her character" and I'm like, "Of course she doesn't need magic, but she EARNED IT" and that's the whole point they miss. Anna, for all that she's been through, should have been the fifth spirit, the one that connects them all. The fact that the producers had to EXPLAIN all the hidden things that indicate that Anna is the other side of the bridge, means that no one would have understood. It's like if you explain a joke, it's no longer funny. Except this explanation for why she's the other side of the bridge was a farce to begin with. Especially when Anna was the one who always wanted to be out in the world. Would've been nice if she could have had wind powers, since her mom was close with the wind spirit.
My thoughts exactly! @@LexysamaIllustrations These people tried so hard to make Elsa a magical girlboss that they forgot to give Anna something special! She could have been a magical spirit in some way too! BUT NOPE! They had to give Anna her older sister's hand-me-downs!
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT Anna, in my opinion, deserves more recognition than Elsa, because in BOTH movies, she's the one who ends up saving the day, even if she has to sacrifice something really important to her or herself. The whole "Elsa is the fifth spirit because she represents love" is a lie, she's the fifth spirit just because she has powers, and that's it, when Anna's love is way more stronger and braver than hers (Literally, without Anna, both of them will be still isolated in the castle, and Elsa would have never learn how to control her powers or to love herself).
Anna isn't chosen to be queen because she helped destroy the dam; she's literally next in line to the throne. with Elsa gone, there's no one else it could become.
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 Yes, it is. It paints people who like rock in a bad light and it's also an Endgame rip-off. Not to mention, Poppy has once again proven to be the worst character ever. Oh and also James Corden is in it.
The only thing these movies have going for them is pretty animation. The story is a mess of layered sticky note changes, the characters and their motivations don't make sense even in context, and the Animal Sidekick That Isn't A Dog Acts Like A Dog trope in anything makes me so mad everytime I see it because the ANIMAL IS NOT A DOG AND SHOULDN'T ACT LIKE ONE. Olaf was also very annoying like 90% of the time he's on screen.
It's because they used to make fairytale film adaptations that typically had an end set up, so they could come up with ideas. Frozen is just a Snow Queen fanfiction. However, if they have to continue with characters they have made and explore their characters further, they will struggle without a previous source material.
To me one of the worst elements of this movie is the Anna and Christoph side story with the proposal. There was a deleted song that would have fit fine in this scene and made the movie much better. Them just adding the proposal at the end lazily because they thought lost in the woods is a good song baffles me. Lost in the woods adds nothing to the movie BUT the deleted song of Christoph proposing to Anna would have and shown there characters better. It also would have made for a better emotional scene considering that Anna and Chritoph have been dating for 6 years at this point so it wouldn't make sense for Anna to act so weirdly by just randomly leaving or thinking he would rather be with someone else.
I HATED frozen two, which is funny, I liked it a lot at first, but after re-watching it, I had just wished they kept the dynamic of Frozen Fever, it wasn't the BEST Disney short, but it did an AMAZING job of exploring the dynamic between the two sisters who wanted to make up for lost time. With Elsa trying too hard, and Anna just wanting to care for her. Even the Christmas special continued on their relationship even though it wasn't the focal point. Elsa did at one point apologize to Anna for shutting the door on her. So the fact that they took away all that relationship development and turned them back into exactly who they were at the beginning of Frozen 1 was a major bummer... like,,, elsa seemed super happy with her place as queen and making arendelle brighter with anna by her side. but then in frozen 2 she just throws her aside in an ice boat.. they never even deal with the fact that elsa did that, even though right after she did, anna said to olaf "you have every right to be very very mad at her"
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I miss the Anna & Elsa from Frozen 1, Frozen Fever, and OFA (the Christmas short). In F2 they felt different. I’d write longer but have already written a lot on other comments
Dude, you are a fucking machine with these videos! I mean these are full fledged video essays that are coming out almost every day. You are going places man!
The only saving grace of this movie is just how beautiful it is - practically every scene is eyecandy. This is why I’m so conflicted with this movie as a writer and illustrator: beautifully animated but chaotically written.
I thought I was the only one who hated Frozen 2. Watched it in the cinema with quite an excitement to begin with and left completely bored, annoyed and dissatisfied with the money spent
Frozen 2 is feels like a fanmade basic,boring and pointless story. Most boring backrounds that ive seen a animation movie,movie itself tryna gets you love the elsas parents ? when they ectually are the problem why elsa is have a missurible life at first aa yea,i feel sorry for emplouees have ectually has passion in their hearts but companies dont care about anybody if its not money shortly thats sad
Personally, I hate Show Yourself. Hated it when I first saw it in the theatre, still hate it now. It filled me with second hand embarrassment and frankly, it's called FROZEN, not ELSA. Might as well be though, considering how every other character took a back seat for this Mary Sue excused only by "anxiety" and "self-loathing". Neither of which are personally traits.
Exactly. Also, this is kinda random but my parents HAAAAAAAATE Elsa. And the reason why is because they said she's the cause of most of the problems in the movies, overdramatic, in some other way they called her a Mary sue like you said.
Man, when the sequel was announced I really thought they were planning to give powers to Anna, maybe the power could be fire because it'd be a great contrast to her sister's powers. It would've been so cool. Elsa never went crazy with her powers because she was able to control herself, but with Anna it could be different, she could even turn out to be the villain of this movie, but I guess it was too dark for little girls favorite franchise
Following the destruction of the dam, dozens of villages were wiped off the map as the wave that Elsa repelled around Arendelle washed through their settlements. The dam held a reservoir that supplied water to Arendelle and the surrounding villages during the frozen winter, the lack of which nearly decimated the remaining settlements. Previously tribute in the form of goods and currency was paid to Arendelle for the water (hence its wealth). With their farms and livelyhoods destroyed the remaining villages took up arms and marched on Arendelle to take back what was theirs. TITLE SCREEN - FROZEN 3
Frozen is meh, but Frozen 2 itself made absolutely no sense. What was the point of Elsa to be appointed queen turns out in the end, she ends up living in the forest, and left her sister to become queen. Let’s be honest, Anna is a terrible queen and for the reason, she lacks leadership. I guess Elsa is too, but throughout the movie Anna didn’t show leadership unless you count the time she told her grandfather’s soldiers and the tribe to tear down the bridge but that was it. You are right this movie was rushed.
As annoying as the original Frozen was, the characters had purpose and heart. Olaf symbolized the childhood innocence of the sisters since he was made by kid Elsa to entertain Anna. He saved Anna in the end. In the second one, he's NOTHING but comic relief. Kristoff became NOTHING but a background character. Arendale was very important in the first film, but now it's barely anything because they're focusing on Elsa's identity. They tried to flesh out the parents but with underwhelming development. At least the original had heart; I felt like the second one is one big exposition sequel instead of world building.
They actually made the parents worse because at least with the first movie they wete naive about magic so they did whatever they were told to do thanks to that pebbleman.
Yet, Frozen 2 shows they were aware of magic, especially Iduna, so you'd think after being told Elsa and Anna would have to be separated for life, as well as Anna's memories being removed, they'd go to Athohollan to get a freaking second opinion on that night!
@@jacindaellison3363 Atohala was YEARS after, actually
@@kennycomet354 Huh. I thought it was always there because Iduna sings the lullaby to Elsa and Anna, more with the former. Also, the parents were going there which got them killed in the first place. If the movie had a scene where Iduna found out about the place, idk how, and then she told her husband, then it would've made sense.
Let's not also mention how the cut scene for them parents wanting to explain everything to Anna cause they didn't wanna seem like they were leaving her in the dark and showing favoritism to Elsa.They instead make it very clean who the favorite was (before the incident with Elsa)with the mom and Elsa,they were gonna show them actually caring for both and feeling that Anna should know only to not get the chance which would have been great for Anna's plot while Elsa had her plot going on finding herself.
It actually is world building, but instead of the smart enjoyable way the whole story is just an infodump of lore for a world that didn't need it, because the original stood on its own for its messages instead of just trying to court the lore nerds to fill a wiki, and as a result frozen 2 is so boring and cliche
And the idea of Elsa being the fifth spirit due to her ice powers made no sense, it would make way more sense if she was the water spirit or was blessed by the water spirit to control it.
Ikr, it just felt more like they were centring the spotlight on her by making her the 5th spirit like srly it feels forced imo
That'a a good point, she could have been the water spirit, and the kelpie water horse could have been her ward or whatever. So Elsa mastering ocean traversal would be meaningful, as she is coming into her role as a water spirit. Or something like that.
Ice is literally just frozen water. Her being the water spirit would've made for more of a plot-twist while having a spirit literally named the ice spirit was way too obvious. Or, perhaps they could've had the water spirit be split in half, so that way both the horse and Elsa coexisting would make sense. They really didn't need two entirely separate spirits.
@@Ammy-q4w or Elsa and other people with powers can control the four spirits, and they all need to get together to control the spirits so they can find the fifth spirit to restore balance.
@@KaeMcSpadden Yeah, Elsa being the fifth element made NO SENSE given that ICE IS SOLID WATER. The four spirits should have been seasonal instead of elemental, with Elsa representing Winter.
6:20 I have no idea who thought mentioning Hans a bazillion times when he’s completely irrelevant was a good idea. He’s not even a good villain and they’re mentioning them like he’s a GOATed villain? They didn’t even mention Turbo ONCE in the Wreck it Ralph sequel even though he’s much better of a villain and at least SORTA thematically connected to the plot more due to Vanellope (his victim) going Turbo, aka game-jumping.
This is just straight-up disrespectful.
Honestly they shoulda mentioned Turbo in the movie somewhere. Needs more Turbo.
Honestly, I’m glad Turbo isn’t at least brought back to life. Considering fans critique Vanellope leaving her game as an example of breaking the first film’s established rules, then Turbo coming back would be breaking another established rule: Video game characters don’t regenerate outside their own game and permanently stay dead.
Yeah that was not really turbotastic by them
You know the director of this movie at this point has just some petty grudge against him so I just assume all of this was thrown in to satisfy the children that hold the same grudge she does. I just feel bad for Santino Fontana, Hans voice actor, who actually wanted to come back for the sequel. I feel it is just really disrespectful.
Also Once upon a time, one of my favorite shows of all time, wanted to give him a backstory, maybe even redemption arc. I believe Hans would have been a perfect "villain" to redeem, I mean they did redeem Regina who actually did kill like thousand of people. But Disney Was like: "We want to have the opportunity to redeem him IF we make a sequel". Wow that aged Well.
@@larissaweasley9165nd your right. He actually was supposed to be redeemed because he just does not make sense as a villain no matter how much you look at it.
He was made a villain because they needed somebody to take the fall so Elsa and Anna were not hated…
And if you look at the director… specifically Lee… ya… she is one of those toxic feminist that think men are to blame for everything.
It’s pretty obvious especially in the sequel where she even went as far as ruining Kristoff to make Elsa and Anna look good.
To be honest. He clearly was not redeemed because the moment he was redeemed it would make Elsa and Anna look bad.
The trope of "heroes or friends splitting up" bothers me and it doesn't make me feel any emotion whatsoever
nah because why market the whole movie on their sisterhood and then separate them? makes no sense
Expensive clickbait?
Yeah,and they separated Woody and the other toys in the end of Toy Story 4(an unnecessary sequel)
Goodluck making Toy Story 5 out of that😂
@@lilac3266Actually it does because in real life, sisters do separate as they get older. I miss my twin sister and I have to get used to not being able to celebrate our birthday together as we used to.
Plus, Elsa had a reason to leave as she discovered she and her sister are both the sides of the bridge to the spiritual and human side and as the one with ice powers, she’s supposed to be the guardian of the elemental/magical side while her sister, without magic powers, is supposed to be the guardian of the human/mortal side. So they’re fulfilling the roles that were crafted for them by the elemental spirits.
@@hunterolaughlin yeah but these are royal sisters whose whole brand is the fact they were separated for 13 years and found eachother again. Making elsa live in the forest was a terrible decision because she’s not there for Anna anymore. Yes sisters separate in real life but the royal family atleast in Disney always live in the castle
I saw the making-of for this movie and it was really eye-opening. Even the people making the movie couldn't settle on who the voice Elsa was hearing was supposed to be! it's no wonder why watching this movie felt so weird. They really needed more time, but it felt like Disney absolutely REFUSED to make a delay. They already had Captain Marvel, Avengers Endgame, Toy Story 4, the live-action Aladdin and live-action The Lion King. Did they really need ANOTHER big theatrical release that year? it's like all they cared about was making sure Frozen 2 was out for the holiday release even if the story needed work.
And in the documentary we also see that they cut a lot of scenes and rewrote the script, after a screen test with children didn't do as well as they expected. So they wanted to make it easier to comprehend for children, by cutting down scenes where major plot points got explained. It's baffling to be honest, this could have been a great continuation to the fist movie, but given the short time span they had for making the movie, the rewriting and important scene cutting, the writers not knowing clearly what storyline they are going for, kinda ruined a lot. The songs and the overall ideas for the story are great, but the execution for the movie as a whole wasn't that good.
If anything this video is just telling me to go watch the making-of of this movie, because Frozen II is just if you forced a writer to turn in their first drafts without any editing and made it the final product. The worst part is I don’t even think the writers are bad… they just really needed more time. That really sucks cause as a writer myself, sacrificing a project for a deadline is one of the worst things ever
To be fair, that has been a terrible issue with Disney for a long time. They just rush the sequels because they're only interested in money ot even worse: they just put the first 3 pilot episodes of a scrapped TV show on DVD and sell it as an official sequel.
Never trust a sequel made by Disney because you know it will be of poor quality. I neither blame the animators nor the writers. They just have to work with what they get and don't get any saying in that matter
Don't forget Spider-Man:FFH.
It was also big.
@@anni1348They really should've just canned the sequel and made Gigantic instead.
The fact that back then, people compared Frozen to The Lion King is an insult. When I saw it, I didn't think it was good, let alone as good as the lion king. The Renaissance will always be the best era for Disney.
Frozen is only comperable to Lion King in record and influence not quality
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375This! The Pensuke Files is so much better!
Considering I wasn't a fan of TLK, comparisons made me weary to see Frozen. But I ended up loving it!
The 2010s copied the 90s in general. Frozen copied the Lion King, Tangled copied Hunchback of Notre Dame & Moana copied Hercules
Nothing will ever beat the best animation (The Lion King)
I think it’s absolutely bullshit that the film tries to pretend Anna and Elsa’s parents were good parents when they absolutely were not.
And I just LOVE how this film just throws Elsa’s character development from the first movie out the window so she can go be the world’s best dressed hermit. It’s ridiculous.
throwing out the character development seems to be happening a lot with recent disney sequels same thing happen with toy story 4 and ralph breaks the internet
The film did NOT throw Elsa’s development in the first film away in the sequel. Elsa leaving her kingdom in this one is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from when she left in the first film. In the first film, Elsa left due to fear of her powers and the fear of the citizens of Arandelle, thinking her to be a potential monster that could cause danger with her ice powers and since she was their queen and had power over them at the time, they assumed she could use them at any time against them. So in that film, she left to keep herself as well as her people safe so she wouldn’t risk hurting or even potentially killing them with her powers.
In Frozen II, Elsa leaving is fulfilling the duty the elemental spirits assigned to her as part of the other half of the bridge, also know as the fifth spirit, being the guardian of the elements and the Northuldran and maintaining the relationships between the Northuldran and the spirits. So, she’s not living as a hermit as she has the Northuldran tribe in the Enchanted Forest and the Elemental Spirits to watch over.
Also, did you forget that the ending shows Elsa mounting Nokk to ride to Arandelle to visit her sister for family fun night, basically confirming she hasn’t entirely abandoned her kingdom?
“Did you take stupid pills this morning?” - Mr. Potato Head
That's actually a problem that most Disney sequels face.
Also, I don't think Elsa had any character development in the first film as she just did what the plot demanded without any character-driven motivation. She doesn't stop being a hermit because she realizes it's bad for everyone, she does it because Hans literally dragged her to the palace and then she decided to stay because Anna's act of true love somehow made her control her powers.
I hated it too
Telling a bedtime story and lullaby doesn't "Thanos snap" away what they did to their daughters
I never saw them as good parents. I’m literally in the midst of making a 4 hour long philosophical analysis of the film (an entire 20 minutes of it is just about Goethe, and another 25 about Aquinas), and in the script I wrote I emphasize each time, nonchalantly, that he is cruel and abusive, regardless of whether he was I’ll-intended or not. He’s certainly the most consequential character in the franchise, as his idea of locking his daughter away in order to protect her, her sister, the kingdom, and himself (and his image) ultimately has the unintended consequence of nearly destroying all of those things.
I remember when Elsa was just a Snow Queen who can only has ice powers.
Now Disney is trying to make her an Avatar of all Elements.
Ik I miss the Snow Queen Elsa of Arendelle from Frozen 1. She was one of the best Disney characters ever. Princess Anna was too. F2 just ruined them and the entire story. It’s really sad honestly. I hope Frozen 3 brings back the Snow Queen Elsa & Princess Anna from Frozen 1. I also hope they bring back their iconic Frozen 1 outfits & braided hairstyles. I miss those
Elsa is their cash cow, Disney knows no matter how bad the plot is people will spend major amounts of money to fund the big Disney ceo life style
@@whitedragoness23 yeah it’s honestly so sad. There are so many people who worship F2 and this messed up version of Elsa and Anna. And Disney keeps on promoting it and marketing F2 and it’s sweeping Frozen 1 under the rug. As someone who grew up and loved the first Frozen, this is really heartbreaking
all the "fifth spirit" thing is too much ig
You know a movie is bad if you can watch the deleted scenes and they make a more interesting movie then the actual movie did.
It's a double sad cause I always hated Kirstoff's song in the movie,so to hear that proposal song in the deleted scenes and find it's a better song along with Kristoff having a much better spot in the story is so disappointing.
Agree. and he is so out of character in the scond one.
@@savanadelanorethat’s what happens when you live in a castle for too long
Frozen 2 was absolutely rushed and boring.
Facts.
And so was the first movie.
That's an understatement. Though Disney had six years to figure out a Frozen sequel... And this is what they came up with? Give me a break.
Yeah we know, we all watched the video
@@normadgarmez7026 At least, the show Once upon A Time made lot more sense.
I hate that they've completely changed Elsa's personality.
She was poised and elegant in Frozen 1, traits that are rare in disney female characters. Frozen 2 throw that out of the window. Now she's a wild and untamed white Pocahontas 2.0. 😒 (and don't get me started on her clothes - sandals and leggins, really? Why does she dress like a soccer mom?)
Also she liked being a queen. She was literally raised for that role. Suddenly frozen 2 is trying to tell me she actually hates it and wants to abandon her kingdom and go live in a forest. That sequel is such a bad joke.
And the world-building... *facepalm* frozen 2 has the most bland and boring lore I've ever seen in a fantasy movie. All magic in this world comes down to a water horse, fire lizard and walking rocks. Really, disney? Is that all you can come up with? A 5 year old kid is more creative than them. There is also no other magical people because they want Elsa to remain *oh so speshul and only one of her kind*.
Frozen 3 will be even worse. Why? Because they f___cked everything (characters, lore, plot ) up and there is literally no story left to tell.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who hates that white dress…I get what they were going for but man it doesn’t work.
@@ninjagirl226 I know, right? And she looks so washed out in that outfit. 😂 Pair that up with her weird pink-ish skin tone at the end of the movie and the final result is just so unaesthetic. They really need to bring Elsa's blue clothes back again.
@@lysander3459 I really liked her dress from the Christmas short. The dark blues work better than the light blues but that’s my hot take. Though the light blues can work; the coat in the second movie was alright just not Queenly if that makes sense.
Finally! Someone that understands Elsa and Frozen! You’re absolutely right and I agree with everything you said. Frozen 1 Elsa was almost perfect and one of my favorite Disney characters of all time. She loved being queen and cared about her family and kingdom more than anything. She sacrificed her personal freedom because of her fear of hurting her loved ones. When she learned to control her powers, she no longer had to make that sacrifice and could live happily ever after with the people she loves most. We see that theme continued in the Frozen shorts like Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure. She loved being queen.
Then in Frozen 2, they threw everything great about her character out the window like you said. She cared more about being a spirit than being with her family. She left her kingdom to live with these indigenous people she just met even tho she judged Anna in Frozen 1 for wanting to be with someone she just met. She also was bothered by the cold in F2 even tho she famously said “The cold never bothered me anyway” She also cared more about the fire lizard and water horse that almost killed her and her family. These are just a few examples of how they ruined her character.
I could go on longer but I’ve already said enough. The ending of Frozen 2 makes me so mad. I wish Frozen 1 was a stand alone movie. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure are better sequels to Frozen 1 than F2 was.
I also hate the white dress and loose hair for Elsa. It’s so pale and the loose hair doesn’t fit her. It suits Rapunzel better. I liked Elsa’s iconic braid and her blue ice dress from Frozen 1. That is the best and most iconic Elsa look. I hope they bring back the Elsa from Frozen 1 as well her Frozen 1 outfit and hairstyle in Frozen 3. That is the only way I can see them fixing this series
@@ninjagirl226 I hate that white dress and loose hair. I also love Elsa’s dark blue outfit from Olaf’s Frozen adventure. It’s my 2nd favorite Elsa outfit after her blue ice dress from Frozen 1. That Frozen 1 dress and braided hairstyle is too iconic and the best Elsa look. I hope they bring back that Frozen 1 Elsa look in Frozen 3
I will always say that it was a missed opportunity that kristoff never tried talking to the golems. He lived with rock trolls for years surely he could converse with other earth spirits.
I honestly think I could somewhat enjoy Frozen movies if it was not for Anna and Elsa's parents. Disney is always criticized for the fact that their characters grow up without mothers or fathers but ironically here it would be a blessing. They are just a total mess.
I could have enjoyed them if the writing wasn't so gosh-dang bad!
Frozen 2 had a lot more potential because it could expand on the first one and make it even grander, but the problem is that it was way to rushed from a creative standpoint they tried to do too much in a very little time
Apparently they had a better more complex storyline at first. But when they first showed the movie to a selected audience as a trial, the children didn't understand/like the plot, so they had to re-write the entire thing, which they didn't have enough time for. (I've heard this a pretty long time ago, so I don't remember the source.)
@@paulinemoira8442 I heard the director already decided before production that Anna & Elsa would separate. That’s already a setup for disaster because that contradicts the purpose of Frozen 1 and also, those are like the only characters in fiction that should never be separated after seeing how they were marketed for so many years. They had multiple scripts and drafts all with the same ending. So they decided to make a plot to try and fit that ending. The problem is that no matter which draft they used, it would ruin Elsa’s character because of the ending. Honestly because of this, I wish they never made a sequel. Im like 99.99% sure this information is true
@@paulinemoira8442Did it have an actual villain?
Olaf wanting to grow up kind of makes sense if you consider Olaf to be a projection of Elsa’s desires. Olaf himself being the snowman Elsa made to entertain Anna, symbolizing her desire to regain that relationship with her sister. Olaf’s desire for summer in the first film symbolizes Elsa’s desire to overcome the eternal winter her powers represent. Olaf’s desire to grow up then would symbolize Elsa’s desire to leave her parents’ house and find her place in the world.
And yeah Elsa’s power being a fifth spirit really doesn’t make sense.
I can forgive frozen for being mediocre with it's story, i still think it's still fun and the music is Nice... But for frozen 2 i couldn't even remember the story before this video, i've never felt the need to watch it again, good for the animation team for achieving beautiful visuals but that's all...
I honestly thought it was on me and my attention span for not completely understanding what was going on, now I realize it wasn't-
It was because they used a "tell, don't show" on how the movie progressed. I think because animation has gone too good that it cost too much to rely on it in narrative making, they even advertise their animation as "ultra detailed"
It saddens me to know how really good this movie could have been, had Disney had the balls to actually take some risks
I remember having visited Disney World at around the time Frozen 2 released and the amount of merchandise on it was mind numbing.
It was especially painful because there were shelves FULL of toys of the water horse (seriously?) and Elsa dolls with her 3 different outfits at like 50 bucks each. It really puts into perspective what Disney’s goal was with releasing this sequel…
*"BUY OUR TOYS!"*
@@liamphibiatoy story 5 will be painful
Exactly,they don't care about the other characters,just Elsa cause let it go made her big.Which makes even more no sense since the movie was about two sisters and they completely disregard Anna!?(just like their parents.)
They literally just wanted to sell dolls to children. And big kids!
They didn’t care about the story. They literally have 10 outfits total for Anna and Elsa in the sequel (5 for Anna and 5 for Elsa) which is insane because they only had 4 total in Frozen 1 (2 for Anna and 2 for Elsa). They also shoved characters aside to have them sing solos songs that no one cares about like that stupid song Kristoff sang. They also made a stupid fire lizard and a water horse to sell toys. It was obvious they were trying to make as much money as possible and were willing to ruin the characters for the sake of it 🙄 it pisses me off
I actually got very obsessed with Frozen when it came out because I *really* wanted to like it. The characters were interesting, the setting was cool (pun intended), and the songs were amazing. But... omg, I could just never get behind the story lol. At least in the musical they expanded on all of the characters, and it felt more coherent overall.
Then Frozen 2 came out and my obsession evaporated faster than an snowman in summer lol. It was just so badly done! And the ending made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I even stopped liking the characters I'd fallen in love with in the first movie; everyone sucks now.
Tbh I have absolutely zero expectations for Frozen 3. it seems it'll just be yet another cash grab.
I can completely agree with you,I was once in love with the film and was mainly a fan of Anna cause although she made the dumb mistake of falling in love with the first man she met,she was a good character that I could see potential in.
Like how much she had been pretty much carrying the kingdom on her back while Elsa hid away,always checked on Elsa even if she did get to see her.Still loved Elsa and had a smile on her face seeing her when she had no memory of why Elsa shut her out.I was honestly surprised that girl did have any form of depression from the sucky life she got stuck with and having no idea how it happened.
Then we get frozen 2,where they disregard everyone except Elsa and mostly for merch purposes.The cut scenes could have saved the frozen franchise but they didn't put them in which is saddening and made me no longer love the it but just get annoyed that is basically "The Elsa movie but there are these guys too I guess."
They done did us nords dirty 😔
@@gemninja1197YES THIS THANK YOU
Frozen really didn’t need a sequel, it was so random, they could’ve just had Anna get powers
that would’ve been just as random
That would’ve ruined Anna’s character
@@rashes2286 they already ruined Anna’s and Elsa’s character in Frozen 2. Frozen 1 should’ve been left alone. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure felt like better sequels than F2
It would've been interesting for Anna to get fire magic. Fire is inherently destructive, but it can also create light and warm people up. I would've liked to see Anna come to this realization on her own. She also could've had conflict with Elsa due to being afraid of hurting her since heat can melt ice. Her emotional outbursts would've made her start losing control of her powers, but Elsa would be able to reassure her, proving how much she has grown since the first movie.
@@Ammy-q4w I get the concept behind it, but I just don’t think Anna should have powers. Her being ordinary (as she said in the first film) is part of what makes her special. But you know what, maybe the fire power plot line could’ve worked because it might’ve kept the characters consistent with their development. Anything could’ve worked better than what actually happened in F2. Frozen 1 was a great stand alone movie that should’ve been left alone (the shorts are fine tho)
Frozen 2 should've been a miniseries, about ten episodes, each 45-60 minutes. That way, the other characters, plot, the world building, and themes could've been more fleshed out. I mean, they did it for Tangled. But, apparently, it was more important for them to make their deadline as they've never missed one than to make an interesting story that could've been darker and more complex but would've taken them more time to develop. Maybe I'm wrong, but Disney could've risked that change of direction. Captain Marvel, Endgame, Spiderman: Far From Home, and Toy Story 4 made billions. They were well set and could've done it.
Lol mini series *suggests something that would’ve been 5x more work*
This movie felt like a dumb kid show’s big finale at the end of the season, so that’s probably why you think that. But they were rushed and demanded to make a sequel asap.
I'd rathey they made a regular TV series that fleshes out the story, characters, and worldbuilding, while also having some compelling and convincing antagonists and villains.
My question is, why are 19th century soldiers using swords and shields instead of rifles?
I wondered the same thing
I’m surprised that’s your critique with this film after how you critiqued the first film for not making Elsa the antagonist. (I refuse to see her as a villain).
Given its Disney under people with...modern ideologies, I can think of a few reasons.
gun law stuff.
@@ghoulchan7525Gun law stuff other disney movies also had military's with rifles
I wish they touched on Elsa’s mental health and anxiety more. I would have loved to see that. Not seeing her getting a new wardrobe and calling it different. Her new personality was too soon. Even my little sister said so. She told me they should make a series about frozen focused on Elsa more.
The songs were great, the animation was top notch, the twist was disturbing and Anna was getting some growth but the whole story itself was rushed. I hope if they decide to make a third film it will be better and filled with more rich storylines and depth.
I thought they were when Anna said to Elsa that she wished Elsa loved (or believed in?) herself like Anna did with her. I was really excited after that but then they forgot about it or was written out like everything else was..
She was cured at the end when she literally realizes love solves everything then she reverses everything. Love is the fifth element
With the way they handle everything else, I do not want Disney to touch mental health with a ten-foot pole.
I need to say what I really love about this movie is Anna's song, it is emotional and connects well with people who have lost their loved ones but need to find strength to move on.
And... this is sad the song is underrated and this important theme was just wasted in this pathetic sequel.
I liken her song to "You Will Be Found" from Evan Hansen
I love that song, and I think part of it is Kristin's understanding that sometimes, all we can do is put one foot in front of the other. Looking at where you need to be can be overwhelming, so breaking things down makes it possible to progress. And I love that message. Especially as a therapist. Each step, no matter how small, is one step forward. You can't unlearn growth, even if it feels like you're going backward. The seeds are planted. The song resonates with so many people, not just those who have lost loved ones but everyone struggling.
I realized that when I say Frozen 2 is better, it's actually the songs that I like better. Specifically, if listened to as a soundtrack. Honestly, both Into the Unknown and Show Yourself are so fun to sing and better than Let It Go. All Is Found is a sweet lullaby, and even the cut songs are pretty good.
Anna’s song is the only good thing from that movie
@@johnpexton3614Agreed
My favourite song from the whole Frozen... series? Franchise? is Frozen Heart, the first song of the first movie. I just love it, and noone else seems to remeber that it even exists....
Also Klaus did a way better job with their representation of the Sami tribe than this film, the Northuldren look like a generic indigenous tribe, when this series took inspiration from the Sami tribe.
To me the sami in frozen 2 were like Native American Indians pretending to be sami.
@@lespena3722 yeah, the Sami outfits are mostly blues and reds with shapes and structure.
@@KaeMcSpadden and also the sami don’t live…. Or would want to be anywhere near spirits. Them and everybody in Scandanavia are terrified of spirits. For good reason.
I get the feeling that Hans was more supportive of Anna in the 1st movie (before the creators decided to make him a villain) than Kristoff was in the 2nd movie...
Especially keen writers (or people that enjoy stories) will notice that the script and story has a spliced feeling to it. You can almost pinpoint where they frankensteined different scripts together. Like rounding the edges of a square peg to fit a circle hole. Sure, it kind of fits, but it's still a square.
Frozen is the epitome of this "splicing", and Hans is proof of that
I honestly thought the premise was kind of dumb, considering the entire plot of the first film was about saving the kingdom, they then seem a little too eager to destroy it when the case for that is a little shaky
Edit: 5th element? All I can think of is that one Bruce Willis movie now 😂
I watched both the movies and I got to say. The parents are supposed the good guys but they literally imprison one of their daughter which is Elsa because of how dangerous her ice powers and their solution was locking in her room for mostly in her childhood until she the Queen. For Hans being a villain was out of nowhere like did they made him the main bad guy just to defend Elsa's actions because she's a female character.
As for the sequel, they keep mentioning Hans alot when really he's irrelevant and not really important towards the story.
The rock trolls, especially Grand Pabbie, are the bigger villains. Scaring Elsa with the idea that her powers will have darker effects and never even stating how she's suppose to control her magic. But hey, we need to give them a funny song number, RIGHT? Seriously, they should have cut that song out and dedicate the time to trying to help Elsa with controlling her magic.
But that song set up Kristof and Anna to get together
I'm pretty sure they "forgot" the parents being jackasses in order to sell that family set of dolls
@BloodyBraces
You've gotta be freaking kidding me. They retconned the parents to sell a doll set? I can't even with that...
@@DemonicRemption its Disney, what'd you expect?
@@BloodyBraces
Fair point. After all Elsa was changed from the villain to sell her dolls. So it's just more of the same here. Stupid, but more of the same.
I’m very skeptical about how Frozen 3 will look when it’s released.
Also, why do we need another Frozen movie when the second one ended on a somewhat perfect note?
Money.
I say yes to Inside Out 2 and I would also say yes to Zootopia 2.
However, a Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5?
F*ck no.
@@ulisesthehero money, 💰 🤑 💸 💲 🪙 💶. Really, Disney? 😒
🌈 money 🌈
If it's money, they should note how they haven't been profiting lately
Kristoff on the first movie: i'm an ice mercader who says the truth without filter, and i'm going to help the protagonist save her kingdom, becoming her one and only true love
Kristoff in the second movie: me sad bc pwoposing mawiage to Anna is scawy
How Frozen got a sequel is beyond me. I pity the day Frozen 3 gets announced...
Edit: WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?
It already has...
THE EDIT IM SOBBING
That's one of my beefs with Disney these days, besides them being woke. All they want is money. Money, money, money, money, money. 😡 What happened to what Walt Disney HIMSELF once said: "I don't make movies to make money, I make money to make more movies"?
Seriously, Frozen is the most overrated movie I've ever seen. I don't understand how anyone over the age of 10 can possibly like it.
....and actually they also recently announced Frozen 4
Elsa’s powers also don’t make any sense. If she’s supposed to create ice and snow then that’s all she should have the ability to do. Ice and snow only. All this fluff on sending messages or creating dresses instantly is just stupid! Does she have other magic powers or is it ice and snow because they can’t seem to decide on what they want out of Elsa.
It's like the makers watched too many MLP episodes with Discord before making these films.
Especially with Elsa making clothes, she made her ice dress or whatever + made Anna's dress more vibrant in frozen fever
@@ashlynnblossom6860 How in hey's name does that work?
Think. Through. Your WRITING, Disney!
i always will say I wish arendelle was destroyed. It would force arendelle to face the consequences of their actions and it would actually justify Anna being queen since she would more than likely take charge of the reconstruction. Seeing the people come together to build their kingdom under new rule a fresh start would be so much more rewarding than elsa stopping the wave
I know right? But it seems that the movie wanted to have it's cake and eat it, and because of that, the story feels super pretentious and condescending.
@@osmanyousif7849 the plot was such a disconjointed mess tbh. Also feels like they erased all the lessons from the first movie because surprise surprise elsa is ignoring anna again and putting herself in danger without any concerns
Honestly I would only accept Anna as queen if Elsa permanently died.
@@mckenzieeliza I mean I think Anna as queen was a good choice I just wish they gave background to it? like the scene that’s meant to show anna is a good leader is her leading trolls to crush a dam? why couldn’t we get some example of her caring for the people and giving support? or even again rebuilding the kingdom taking charge. Like I can see Anna as queen but it came out of NOWHERE
@@lilac3266 I honestly think it was Kristen Bell's idea, because she was jealous that people love Elsa more than Anna. I love both sisters, but Elsa helped me when I was at my lowest point in life. Honestly I think Elsa should be queen with Anna as her right hand person, and they work together to rule Arendelle. And Elsa doesn't go and live in the woods. 😂
I kinda like the first Frozen and agree to brush aside many of its flaws, the second one however.
I have to say, I disagree with every single ideology presented in that film.
We're being told by the so-called Spirit that the old king did some bad thing in the past. That is just one sided story since we don't get to see or hear anything from the old king's side. The conflict between him and the magic forest is the main plot and we already have a serious issue in its principle. We're being persuade to believe in finding the voice, finding truth without considering both circumstantial or hard evidence. We just have to believe everything the magic say.
Why?
I have suspicion when the main character utter these words and it strikes me hard when I saw the "memories scene" in the ice cave. That scene is the perfect example of information manipulation. Showing "truth" as things that we know to be true like events from the previous film then "half-truth" for story of the girl's parents that we know some but not the rest follow by, if you already fall for the tricks, "lie". This is a common practice in propaganda and Disney put it into this film. It's not just the plot but the principle behind it that bothers me. You take the testimony from one side of the dispute to judge the other side.
The film intentionally discards the element of the town's folks so the audiences won't care about them, showing the snowman playing with kids after they're being thrown off their bed in the middle of the night then marching them in a panic parade up hill several miles out to make the audiences think it is OK for everyone. Worse, the film has Elsa, the main character saying "whoever did this is good". This is in everyway 'not good'. This is an indiscriminate attack against civilian, not just people of Arendelle but foreigners who live or work or simply being in town at the moment ate affected. It is established since Frozen that Arendelle is connected to the world.
Elsa being 'a Spirit entity' instead of 'Human' with special ability attached to her is undermining everything at the ending of the first film. In Frozen, Elsa is person with ice power that can be seen as good or bad, depending on how she use that power. The accident on Anna cause her to look at the bad side of that power for the most part. It's the guilt that pulls her away from everyone including her family. The ending of Frozen isn't just Elsa overcoming the guilt and the fear but also acceptance from people. In one fanfic, Elsa said "I have this power, but it's not all that I am." I think that's the clear definition of Who Elsa truly is, not What she is. Elsa is the person not the power.
Frozen II throw away the person in Elsa. Despite having both father and mother humans, she cameout to be a magical entity purposefully created for the use of the Spirit. Not talking about non-consent from her mother or whether any of her father's genetic material being part of her creation or not since the Spirit doesn't seem to cate if the man is dead or alive(it tried to kill him when hes a boy). Elsa in Frozen II eas born a magical creature, on par with other magical creatures in the magic forest. She can never choose to be otherwise because that is What she is, the power. Elsa in Frozen II can be the most insufferable, horrible, awful, despicable person and still being "the fifth spirit" as long as she has the power because it's the only requirement she needs.
And Disney made kids believe that's a good thing.
There are so many problems in mindsets, ethos, ideologies, heck even morality in the film Frozen II. Most of the bad films are just boring, badly written or dumb. Frozen II is in a different category. The biggest problems isn't from rushing or too many ideas to put in. It is the direction that lead to what it is.
"I have the power to protect me, you don't." Elsa in Frozen II saying this into Anna's face. The very power that nearly killed Anna twice in Frozen. It's easy to overlook the important aspect of of it since people don't get to learn the excruciating pain Anna had to go through as parts of her body slowly turned into water at molecular level then almost in an instance, crystalize against the parts of her that are still living flesh.
I almost yell "F..You" in the theater when I heard those words.
You’re so right! They really ruined Elsa in F2. In Frozen 1, Frozen Fever, and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure, she was a normal person with magical powers, and had a kind, reserved, caring, selfless, and introverted personality. She was introverted but also cared about her family and kingdom more than anything. In F2, she was a magical creature whose entire personality was just that. I miss Elsa from Frozen 1. Her personality in F2 is not only poorly written, but also contradictory to her character development from F1 and the shorts. I’ve made a lot of comments in this section already about this, but I can’t say enough
It wouldn't have saved the film but it would have been way better if the wave destroyed Arendelle. It works with the story they've set up and it also just doesn't make any sense that Elsa, even with the water spirit, would make it from Ahtohollan to Arendelle fast enough to stop the water. They took a long journey to the forest, and then Elsa took another long journey to Ahtohollan where she fell maybe a hundred feet into a cave, there's NO WAY she's making it back in time. Plus, imagine if Arendelle was destroyed (not badly) and Anna came back and told the citizens not to worry, and that they could fix this, acting like a leader. Elsa comes back, devastated to see she was too late to stop the water but notices Anna being a leader and cheering everyone back up. She decides to give the throne to her. This film looks gorgeous and a lot of the music is great, so I'm sad the story sucks ass.
I would’ve liked if Elsa’s power came from a curse instead and the sisters had to defeat the one who cast it, so we at least could’ve had a real villan for a change or something like that
I like to see Elsa's powers as a part of who she is. It's not good or bad, it just is, and it’s part of what makes Elsa who she is, and she wouldn’t be herself without it. I guess I see it as an analogy for my autism. 😅
Gosh, that does sound better! It certainly makes more sense than the spirits going all "Oooh, let's give her daughter a power that could be dangerous and ruin her life as thanks for her MOTHER helping us!" Not only that, but it would also truly explain why she has powers and the rest of her family doesn't!
It could have been Interesting since It would mean defeating the villain would make Elsa lose her powers
Or it could go both ways as sort of a possession type thing. Like it’s an evil curse but Elsa finds a way to outsmart and defeat the villain to gain full control
Frozen 2 was a sequel you can tell had no direction. Nobody working on this movie had an idea that they said, "Let's put this shit to paper and make it great." It's a cash-grab and that's it. Not to mention they completely undid Elsa's character arc in the first movie and she yet again isolates herself and forces Anna and Olaf to leave her behind. Did Disney forget about a little thing we like to call DEVELOPMENT???
for frozen 2, they really should’ve gone with a plot that didn’t mean hijacking Elsa’s character development. In frozen 1, elsa actually was ok with being Queen at the end. this is very confirmed by Olaf’s frozen adventure and Frozen fever. So why suddenly did she want to leave and live in the forest? imo, despite it being cliche, they should’ve gone with a Hans revenge storyline/redemption storyline. Whichever. or if they wanted to do something different they could’ve done the whole finding out the grandfather was evil schtick, but gone about it without making elsa this fifth spirit.
Idk about the Hans redemption storyline, but I agree with everything else. I wish Elsa was the same Elsa we all grew up with in Frozen 1 and the Frozen shorts like Frozen Fever and OFA. I hope we see that Elsa again in Frozen 3
For me, Olaf clearly doesn't even belong in that world, design wise. The trolls were just time sinks. Utterly useless. The design of them was lazy and they were trying to base them off those wild haired toys that were famous a while back.
You know I never thought of that before but I think you’re right. Olaf looked like he belonged there in Frozen 1 but in F2, since the aesthetics were so not-Frozen-like, Olaf looked like he didn’t belong there
Once you watch any of the deleted scenes for this movie ur like…. Why didn’t THIS happen ???? It all made so much more sense before they changed it all up. Especially that scrapped opening song w Anna actually singing about WANTING to do more for the ppl of Arandelle, hence becoming queen, and the statue of their grandad being a symbol but actually being built on lies, hence once arandelle gets destroyed, so does his legacy and they’re free to build their own new ones, w Anna as queen helping her ppl like she actually wants to. Like give Anna character development dammit
i feel like a good concept for the film wouldve simply been the origin of elsa’s powers. they should’ve kept that as the main focus instead of throwing in all the other nonsensical stuff. i saw a comment saying elsa could’ve been blessed by the water spirit and that’s why she has ice powers. they could’ve had her and anna going on the adventure together instead of being split up like a repeat of the first film. kristoff could’ve been with them too, and they could’ve included some nice bonding moments for him and anna along the way. the voice could’ve still been linked to elsa’s mother. they could’ve kept the plotline about her parents bonding with the forest people without all the stupid “her grandfather built a dam and that’s the villain” plot. a new villain could’ve been introduced. so many routes they could’ve taken and they settled for a pretty lousy one.
15:40 she gets frozen because she “dove too far” in a river of ice, that’s what the warning in Iduna’s song is about. But yeah, it doesn’t make any sense for her to unfreeze
Frozen 2 tried to expand the world too much. It introduced two brand new locations (the forest and the iceberg), many new but irrelevant characters, the spirits, the king and queen's backstory, and the context surrounding the damn. The film also tried to give Kristoff and Olaff their own plotlines, which is honestly unnecessary, as they worked fine as supporting characters in the first movie. That is way too many elements to balance at the same time, and the film clearly didn't have enough time to flesh everything out, which resulted in a rushed and poorly explained plot.
the plot might have been better spread out as a series. they could have added a lot more songs too and get the fandoms hyped after every new episode.
Kristen Bell sounds like she's trying her absolute best with whatever material she was given to work with. Idina Menzel sounds like she's just ready to go home.
"You're right, Anna. We've got to find the voice."
Kristoff's song was the best part because everything was stupid. When he started an 80s rock ballad, I just shrugged and said "finally something I know I can laugh at."
Looking at these two videos, I think it's pretty apparent that making Jennifer Lee the CCO of Disney Animation after John Lasseter left was a mistake, because the Frozen franchise is really what kickstarted all of the problems people are having with the Post-Revival era.
Jen Lee was a big reason why Frozen 1 was so successful and I applaud her and the others for that. I’m really glad it worked out because I really love Frozen 1. However I feel like she’s also the main reason Frozen 2 was so bad. It was obvious they tried to make money and didn’t actually understand the characters. I wish Frozen 1 never had a sequel
@@omarmohyuddin5672 wait sorry im out of loop...what did jen lee do that amde the sequel so bad?
@@carissaap7003 glad you asked. Well she’s the director, so of course she’s responsible for the majority of the movie’s problems. I’ve also heard tons of people say that she decided before production that she wanted Anna to become queen and have the sisters separate, which is dumb because the whole first movie was about them getting back together. Lee ruined Elsa’s character in F2 by making her in love with nature and hating Royal life and her time in Arendelle. Elsa clearly loved royal life and enjoyed being queen. She was just happy to be with her sister and kingdom. The song “When we’re together” from Olaf’s Frozen Adventure proves that Elsa always wanted to be with her family more than anything, and that’s what brings the most joy to her.
So Lee deciding to make Elsa unhappy at the start of F2 just contradicts all that. This is just one of the many things wrong with F2. I still give her props for Frozen 1 though
@@omarmohyuddin5672 naurr i wonder whats with her reason for that? And yeah now i undertand a lot of people criticized the sequel. Everyone is acting kind out of character also the lore is a bit too complicated? With the whole fifth spirities and ahtohallan stuff. For me they shouldve just introduce one or two thing
And now theres going to be frozen 3? I highly doubt its going to be good..personally frozen shoulfve just end there or made it a good reason to have a sequeo
Unpopular opinion (I think?): I actually really liked Olafms comic relief in this movie because everything else felt wicked dull and underdeveloped. Sure, Olaf was really out of place. But it made more sense to his character than some of the other things we saw in this film. Like, at least he HAD a character? Kristoph? I don’t know this man 😂
In the game my singing monsters, they actually do have a cold element, represented by Mammott. In that game, the cold element is largely represented by fur (to keep warm), icy colour schemes (blue, white, faded colours), and occasionally ice. If you ask me, MSM handled the cold element way better than Frozen 2
I think we are at the point where movie studios need to be challenged to justify sequels, both in-universe and out.
Are there loose threads in the last movie? Is there a another story or character arc to advance? Is there an overall plot so that even if the original feels perfectly self-contained like the first Star Wars movie, you can realistically promise there's more to gain than just nostalgia or shock value by going back to the story and characters?
If you can't answer even one of those questions in the affirmative, then unless your series/franchise is episodic by design (ex. James Bond, Indiana Jones), then its probably not worth the trouble.
Now here's a crazy idea: what if Hans was the protagonist to a spinoff preceding this movie, fresh from the events of the first, but with no contact in the film itself with the main characters? Think about it: imagine going on an adventure with a villain whose forced to realize what he did was wrong, has to cope with a ruined reputation of his own making, and after exploring how he became this way (on screen, I do not approve of relying on supplementary material to explain why characters do what they do), he slowly claws his way back to becoming a decent man, then an actual hero.
For this, lets go with something simple: pirates that were ravaging his island home kidnapped one of the few people who loved and looked out for him growing up, and now he's trying to save them, but no one in his own kingdom or the surrounding ones trust him enough to lend any help or resources, so now he has to do it on his own. Just for the added appeal of a foil, lets say this pirate is a former sailor that he admired as a kid, but who became a villain over bitterness, ambition, and greed, and at several points, he tempts Hans to join him, but Hans is both focused on saving the previously mentioned loved one, and disgusted by the damage the villain unleashes on his own people, and this is what makes him see the man he was turning into and gets him to repent. No or little magic, just a swashbuckling adventure where he can fight the guy sword to sword, and slowly build his own following after proving himself over and over again.
Imagine a spinoff like that, and only after reestablishing Hans as an actual hero, we get a Frozen II that finally reunites him with the main cast, who still don't trust him since they haven't actually seen his change, and he has to convince him of his betterment while also dealing with another threat that involves all of them-IDK, the Duke decides to get revenge and also enrich his country by starting a general conflict, and while Elsa can defend her own kingdom, the ones she's trading with are not so lucky, and moreover well...people are dying, so its a thing worth stopping. Perhaps even include an arms race as people like the Duke try to make weaponry to counter her powers, and she's slowly being outgunned and worn down after trying to handle such a foe on her own.
yeah... a lot of movies get ruined because studios decided to make them a franchise and turn them into cashcows.
Don't get me started on how much I wanted this kind of sequel...from what I understand, a Hans-centric sequel was the initial idea or at least one of them, and then...THIS. He certainly isn't the greatest villain ever created, but there's so much that could be done with that...and that is what pisses me off. Lost potential. And I don't trust that announced threequel within an in of my life. I will admit this all stems from form my being an unabashed 'Helsa' shipper, and I will never accept it wouldn't work. It came into my mind when I saw the movie a third time in theaters back when, and it never left. People have written better fan fiction that makes it work than Disney could ever do as of late.
Yeeeeeeaaaah, this sequel had my eyes rolling. The first time I saw this in theaters, I was disappointed.😑
Frozen 2 was basically "The Elsa movie!...oh yeah and these guys are here too I guess."It seemed rushed and that was honestly disappointing since it had everyone hype on the trailer, especially for Anna being cool with a sword and showing she can handle herself.Which she already was with how she handles the kingdom better then Elsa and has been since before Elsa and Anna got back together.They downplay everyone else's story growth for Elsa cause she hit it big with let it go and has powers so she would make the most money in merch over the others which is their fault.Wish they actually did some of the story that they scraped for the movie like how originally they would have Anna and Kristoff talk about how he was feeling since he felt he wasn't worthy of Anna and felt nervous to purpose to her and the horse almost drowning him cause he was lying that he wasn't bothered by something.
Agreed, I wanted Anna to kick some butt with a sword.
@@EvelynL.1112 Fr fr😤😔
I wish they had made a sequel about Elsa being antagonistic. Like going back to the original story that Elsa could have been the villain after all. It's like she'll have the existential crisis again.
The first ten minutes were good, but I then it just got confusing and a lot of stuff that happened was like "...Okay...why???" We left the theater shaking our heads and arguing with each other over the plot points. The animation looked gorgeous on the big screen though, I'm glad I saw it in theaters despite not liking it and seeing it as wasted potential with nuggets of really good/touching character moments like Anna telling Elsa that she wished Elsa believed/loved herself as much as she did. Also f their parents.
*facepalm* How did it get the biggest opening weekend for an animated film before The Super Mario Bros. Movie came around again?
This one was disaster from the start. And how "ice" is the fifth element is beyond me.
And elsa was a selfish dick.
Also, yeah, I agree. I think the kindom should've been destroyed.
Since we're talking about it, I might as well pitch the half-cocked idea I got watching Frozen 2: douche-canoe. What if Anna were the one who got a calling for adventure? She finally got her sister back, she found true love, and the gates are opened - what more could she want? She tries to quiet that voice down but it won't leave her alone! There's internal conflict there but it's in line with her curious and headstrong personality. Plus, if Elsa (*who is magical) is the bridge between worlds, it makes more sense to have her be a Queen in the regular human world, and for Anna (*who is non-magical) to be the *other* half of the bridge, and she spends time in the magic world. This will sell many more Anna dolls.
Elsa can adventure with her part of the movie, and return to the kingdom to do ice powers and get an outfit change. This will sell many Elsa dolls.
My half-cocked idea might not be so half cocked.
To be fair to idea-havers, they started animating before finalizing a script. So someone on the team probably had a similar idea - many good ideas no doubt - but the producers animated themselves into a corner before fleshing out the script.
How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World is a better sequel than Frozen 2.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish is a better sequel than Frozen 2.
@@nas0518multiply that by 12
Honestly Aladdin 3 has better send-off than Frozen 2.
In Aladdin they tackle Cassim y he's terrible parent while Frozen 2 plays out "due to circumstances"
There's a couple plot holes you didn't mention (one quite big the other not so much)
Anna wakes up the Rock Spirits to destroy the dam. Meaning the spirits could've done that by themselves to begin with. So, why didn't they?
Also, if Olaf disappeared when Elsa "died" why didn't Marshmallow disappeared too? He's in the post credit scene.
Also also, one last thing. Kristoff Actually way more chemistry with the reindeer boy. Kinda wish he ended up with him instead of Anna 🥲
Honestly, I don't care how out of place Lost in the Woods is! It's an 80's power ballad! And I need more of *that* in my Disney movies!
Inject that into my veins!
To this day I think this movie would have been way more fun and enjoyable if it was just about Anna getting fire powers and just burning shit down.
Bro yes! I wish they did that
Honestly, while it's still a "fan-fiction" TV Series, the Once Upon A Time arc with Ingrid and it's "sequel story" is honestly way better and even a highlight in the middle-seasons of that show (whose "arc" form after S2 was a HUGE MISTAKE, b4 that it went on for 4 or 15+ episodes with what was central to the story)-humorously the "Snow Queen" one got an extra episode). There was also no Olaf, only the elder troll. You are told about the mother, a hidden secret, Ingrid is a real actually sympathetic villain whom was over the edge and broken yet she made way too much sense. She also froze the kingdom for a really long time. And put herself through hell just to not be lonely after making a mistake (she was offered training and said nope the gloves).
Even worse is this arc may have been a note but it totally wasn't planned and even feeling a little forced is better than the awful Frozen 2 mom plot, the fire lizard thing, and people trapped in some "out of time" land. Funny, that same show did a REALLY BAD "out of time" plotline the following season b4 Frozen 2 even had an official release date lol.
At least the show made sense in my opinion
I remember Clownfish stating Ralph 2 feels like watching a divorce
I think a really simple fix to the story would be to take the powers representing the five elements and change it to representing the seasons. Ice being the secret fifth element doesn't make any sense because -- like Aldone said -- it's just frozen water. If you change it to the powers representing spring, summer, fall, and autumn it would leave a place for the ice powers that makes sense and still leaves room for different types of powers that could be explored.
Frozen 2 was no different than the first Frozen. Only this time it didn't really have a villain. Everything else the same. Just like how everyone was making covers of the song Let it Go, they were making covers of Into the Unknown & Show Yourself. So many outfits of Frozen 2 Anna & Elsa, Fifth Spirit Elsa & Queen Anna. Frozen 2 games, Frozen 2 costumes, Frozen 2 books, Frozen 2 CD sountracks, Frozen 2 parodies on TH-cam, Frozen 2 radio tapes & Frozen 2 clothes.
Once Frozen 3 comes, the whole cycle will repeat itself.😖
How is that the same? You brought up all the stuff that had nothing to do with the movie. The movies are completely different. What you just said was the goal behind making F2. F1 actually earned it. F2 only did it because F1 was so successful and was very marketable
@@omarmohyuddin5672 Frozen 2 is still Frozen. Just Frozen the sequel. And there's the Frozen Fever & Olaf Frozen Adventure shorts
I agree with everything except one thing: It did feel like Olaf’s comedy was a bit too over the top, but at least it makes sense since he is supposed to be the comedic relief, and for me the jokes weren’t too much and actually kept me sort of engaged in the movie since everything else was boring and I actually liked the existential crisis he was going through (I was able to relate 🥲).
I also agree the Kristoff was completely out of character since in the last movie, he didn’t crave romance and was willing to take things slow, but this movie did a 180 and made him so clingy to Anna and annoying that I was actually hoping that she would break up with him and he would move on to the reindeer dude because like Aldone said, he had more chemistry with the reindeer dude. I don’t know why but this proposing plotline just p*ssed me off so much that it’s probably the thing I hated most in this movie.
Frozen 2 is the most forced, unnecessary, vague, and anticlimactic movie I've ever seen.
It only exists for the sake of profit rather than continuing a story that was already concluded in the first movie.
Very disappointing how much missed potential it had.
While I do agree with everything said , you missed one point.
It's never explained why they needed to build a dam in the first place.
Nothing practical , sentimental , ceremonial , or even for status.
The rest of the video was still good though , nice job.
Except it was explained. By the Villain King, his monologue after show yourself and before elsa jumped down.
@@angeloandres1079 , then what was it?
I vaguely remember that it was necessary , but not how it was needed.
I only saw it once on my TV for free.
@@self-absorbed5269 "Magic makes people feel too powerful ... too entitled. It makes them think they can defy the will of a king!"
@@self-absorbed5269 on sidenote, this is why "tell, don't show" is generally bad writing. It took me 3 rewarch to know these lines which are crucial to the plot
@@angeloandres1079 , then why build a dam of all the stupid things?!
If it were part of a prison wall , at least it would make sense.
The fog barrier could be the gate , and the boundaries would definitive.
Oh , that's another thing wrong!
The fog barrier means absolutely squat.
It's not well defined , and the writers forgot it existed until the very end.
Let’s all admit, Its the songs only that made Frozen so big.
Exactly! Like when I was younger the story really made me bored, but the songs convinced me to continue watching.
@@cosmicsam_art Same.
I rewatched Frozen II recently and almost fell asleep. This has never happened to me before when watching an animated film. I had to distract myself with my phone to stay awake until the movie ended. It's so mind-numbingly boring and basically has all the same problems of the first one amped exponentially. What were they thinking?
This movie is not that bad. I like the songs especially Kristoff's ballad, it was funny and entertaining. The forest was beautiful, i like the Water spirit he had a pretty design. I wished we saw more Elsa and Anna's parents living in the forest instead of Elsa leaving her sister AGAIN to live with strangers. Apparently, she is obligated to be there because she's a spirit. First, that makes no sense. Second, ice is solid water. Third, the fifth element is Aether not ice. Fourth, the queen is not feeling sad to abandon her sister or for; forzing her heart which KILLED Anna, sending a giant monster after her because Elsa refuses her help, almost making every villagers freeze to death with a storm. She never cared about all that. I am supposed to find her kind? Nope, can't happen 😂
You do know that Elsa got very heartbroken once she found out that she accidentally froze Anna's heart right?
She can't even control her own powers so, of course, she makes an ice storm when she is panicking big time.
Her monster also wasn't going to hurt Anna, Kristoff, or Olaf because all he did was tell them to not come back.
So you shouldn't be so harsh on her.
She was kind in Frozen 1 because she made all of her decisions (admittedly some of them were poor) with good intentions. She isolated herself out of fear and wanted to protect everyone. She was willing to sacrifice her freedom and personal life so that her loved ones would be safe. When she realized her power froze the kingdom and she hurt Anna, she started panicking and made even worse decisions but her intentions were still pure. When she finally learned to control her power, she could finally be free and not have to isolate herself anymore, meaning she no longer had to sacrifice her personal life. She could finally be with her sister and her kingdom. It was a happy ending.
In Frozen 2, I agree with you that she wasn’t kind anymore. She was unhappy with her family (even tho that was all she wanted in the first movie, completely retconning the story 🙄) She was so self-centered and cared more about becoming a spirit than being with her loved ones and pushed them away for the sake of finding herself because learning to control her powers in the first movie wasn’t enough I guess 😒 I wish Frozen 1 was a stand alone movie. Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure felt more like sequels to me than F2 did. Hopefully Frozen 3 fixes the story and characters but unfortunately I don’t think that’ll happen 😓
Disney and sequels go together like matter and anti-matter
It's weird how this movie mentions the first one a ton while Ralph Breaks the Internet doesn't
I only watched this movie once because it was so disappointing. I’ve always thought that Arendelle should have been destroyed (thank you for mentioning that btw) and that it should have been rebuilt by both of the tribes as a sign of like peace between the nations. At least then we would’ve got a decent ending
I legit forgot almost everything that happened in Frozen 2, while in the first movie, I actually could remember a lot of it.
I had totally different ideas for Frozen 2 ever since I first saw it in theaters.
I imagine a new protagonist named Silver. At first glance, Silver almost looks like a male Elsa but he contrasts her in a lot of ways: Silver is 20 years old, he's been trained at a young age to be a soldier and so his ice powers are more weaponized and combat-based, he doesn't have any ice-based clothing like Elsa, he's actually dressed in black soldier uniform, and he can't create sentient snow creatures. He is more comedic than Elsa but not the same way as Olaf. It's later revealed that Silver is Elsa and Anna's cousin.
My Frozen 2 is a darker fantasy story somewhat based on Doom 3 and prototype 2 and it features Norse Mythology. The antagonistic demons are the inhabitants from Muspelheim (Realm of fire) Silver is sent here with a squad to help eliminate the threat caused by a rouge rock troll and save Arendelle.
Its revealed that Silver and Elsa's ice powers come from Nifflheim (realm of ice)
Silver loses his squad comrades, one by one, Elsa temporary lose her powers which causes Olaf to melt away. The leader of Silver's squad and Silver's superior, whom we can just call Sarge, is the last antagonist Silver kills right after the troll. Sarge is not a twist villain like Hans, he just goes insane as he turns into one of the fire demons and Silver had to stop him.
sounds way too fanfic-y
@@dustyrose192 I was 13 when I came up with this
I can definitely see this with Silver as a Jack-Frost type character. I also like how you have Norse Mythology because it really was a missed opportunity in the existing films
This sounds way better than what we actually got.
I like to tell myself we didn't get a big Hans comeback because Santino Fontana is secretly holding him hostage. I like to pray he continues to hold him hostage as they work on part three.
The one thing that pisses me off more than anything about that entire movie, is that the whole, "Anna is the other side of the bridge" is a huge farce. It was just thrown in to make her seem important. To me, Anna should have been the fifth spirit. It was her love that helped Elsa, it was her love, faith and support that got them all that far, and yet this entire movie was just the Elsa show. I would understand if Elsa was the Guardian of Ahtohallan. Because it's a glacier, but her being the fifth spirit is a huge stretch. And if Anna was really as important as Elsa, why doesn't she have any magic? Not that she needs it, but with how much she's done, she's earned it. It just seems like saying she was the "other side of the bridge" was a huge cash grab and makes no sense.
THIS THANK YOU
@@EvelynL.1112 Someone who gets it! Whenever I have a discussion about it, people are always like, "Anna doesn't need magic it'll ruin her character" and I'm like, "Of course she doesn't need magic, but she EARNED IT" and that's the whole point they miss. Anna, for all that she's been through, should have been the fifth spirit, the one that connects them all. The fact that the producers had to EXPLAIN all the hidden things that indicate that Anna is the other side of the bridge, means that no one would have understood. It's like if you explain a joke, it's no longer funny. Except this explanation for why she's the other side of the bridge was a farce to begin with. Especially when Anna was the one who always wanted to be out in the world. Would've been nice if she could have had wind powers, since her mom was close with the wind spirit.
My thoughts exactly! @@LexysamaIllustrations These people tried so hard to make Elsa a magical girlboss that they forgot to give Anna something special! She could have been a magical spirit in some way too! BUT NOPE! They had to give Anna her older sister's hand-me-downs!
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT
Anna, in my opinion, deserves more recognition than Elsa, because in BOTH movies, she's the one who ends up saving the day, even if she has to sacrifice something really important to her or herself. The whole "Elsa is the fifth spirit because she represents love" is a lie, she's the fifth spirit just because she has powers, and that's it, when Anna's love is way more stronger and braver than hers (Literally, without Anna, both of them will be still isolated in the castle, and Elsa would have never learn how to control her powers or to love herself).
Anna isn't chosen to be queen because she helped destroy the dam; she's literally next in line to the throne. with Elsa gone, there's no one else it could become.
I watched your video about Frozen being a mess, i'm now finally complete.
“Ralph Breaks The Internet is one of the worst sequels of all time.”
Trolls 2: bruh
Trolls 2 isn’t even that bad
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 Yes, it is. It paints people who like rock in a bad light and it's also an Endgame rip-off. Not to mention, Poppy has once again proven to be the worst character ever. Oh and also James Corden is in it.
@@joaquinm9148 no Poppy is not a worst! Shut up! Poppy is my beloved! Also she’s way better than Anna from Frozen!
The only thing these movies have going for them is pretty animation. The story is a mess of layered sticky note changes, the characters and their motivations don't make sense even in context, and the Animal Sidekick That Isn't A Dog Acts Like A Dog trope in anything makes me so mad everytime I see it because the ANIMAL IS NOT A DOG AND SHOULDN'T ACT LIKE ONE. Olaf was also very annoying like 90% of the time he's on screen.
i still have no idea what Ahtohallan is😬
It's because they used to make fairytale film adaptations that typically had an end set up, so they could come up with ideas. Frozen is just a Snow Queen fanfiction. However, if they have to continue with characters they have made and explore their characters further, they will struggle without a previous source material.
My impression was "they built that dam with those giants around?" That must have been a "not my job" moment.
To me one of the worst elements of this movie is the Anna and Christoph side story with the proposal. There was a deleted song that would have fit fine in this scene and made the movie much better. Them just adding the proposal at the end lazily because they thought lost in the woods is a good song baffles me. Lost in the woods adds nothing to the movie BUT the deleted song of Christoph proposing to Anna would have and shown there characters better. It also would have made for a better emotional scene considering that Anna and Chritoph have been dating for 6 years at this point so it wouldn't make sense for Anna to act so weirdly by just randomly leaving or thinking he would rather be with someone else.
I feel bad for the creators they clearly had better plans but corporate disney eats away their creativity with their impossible deadlines
Yeah tbh I respect them too
I HATED frozen two, which is funny, I liked it a lot at first, but after re-watching it, I had just wished they kept the dynamic of Frozen Fever, it wasn't the BEST Disney short, but it did an AMAZING job of exploring the dynamic between the two sisters who wanted to make up for lost time. With Elsa trying too hard, and Anna just wanting to care for her. Even the Christmas special continued on their relationship even though it wasn't the focal point. Elsa did at one point apologize to Anna for shutting the door on her. So the fact that they took away all that relationship development and turned them back into exactly who they were at the beginning of Frozen 1 was a major bummer... like,,, elsa seemed super happy with her place as queen and making arendelle brighter with anna by her side. but then in frozen 2 she just throws her aside in an ice boat..
they never even deal with the fact that elsa did that, even though right after she did, anna said to olaf "you have every right to be very very mad at her"
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I miss the Anna & Elsa from Frozen 1, Frozen Fever, and OFA (the Christmas short). In F2 they felt different. I’d write longer but have already written a lot on other comments
The way they want to look Anna dependent even tho she liked being independent just like her sister😭😭
Even the first movie is way overrated. But the second one is way worse.
Dude, you are a fucking machine with these videos! I mean these are full fledged video essays that are coming out almost every day. You are going places man!
The only saving grace of this movie is just how beautiful it is - practically every scene is eyecandy. This is why I’m so conflicted with this movie as a writer and illustrator: beautifully animated but chaotically written.
It's just another case of style over substance. 🤷♀
@@1992disney WHOOP THERE IT IS. Gimme substance any day.
I thought I was the only one who hated Frozen 2. Watched it in the cinema with quite an excitement to begin with and left completely bored, annoyed and dissatisfied with the money spent
Frozen 2 is feels like a fanmade basic,boring and pointless story. Most boring backrounds that ive seen a animation movie,movie itself tryna gets you love the elsas parents ? when they ectually are the problem why elsa is have a missurible life at first aa yea,i feel sorry for emplouees have ectually has passion in their hearts but companies dont care about anybody if its not money shortly
thats sad
I misread the title as "Why Frozen 2 is a perfect sequel" and if I was drinking water I would've spit it out.
Personally, I hate Show Yourself. Hated it when I first saw it in the theatre, still hate it now. It filled me with second hand embarrassment and frankly, it's called FROZEN, not ELSA. Might as well be though, considering how every other character took a back seat for this Mary Sue excused only by "anxiety" and "self-loathing". Neither of which are personally traits.
Exactly. Also, this is kinda random but my parents HAAAAAAAATE Elsa. And the reason why is because they said she's the cause of most of the problems in the movies, overdramatic, in some other way they called her a Mary sue like you said.
Yeah, I mean there are fans who actually love Elsa, I don’t know why. I’d never care for Mary sue and still don’t.
@@Muna-Jlore0997 Elsa is one of my least favorite Frozen characters, the others are the parents, the trolls, and Hans(worst Disney villain ever).
The problem is that it doesn't give Christoph and Anna anything to do
That is just one of the many problems in this movie. As a matter of fact, this whole movie is a problem
Man, when the sequel was announced I really thought they were planning to give powers to Anna, maybe the power could be fire because it'd be a great contrast to her sister's powers. It would've been so cool. Elsa never went crazy with her powers because she was able to control herself, but with Anna it could be different, she could even turn out to be the villain of this movie, but I guess it was too dark for little girls favorite franchise
Bruh I kinda wish they did that 😭
Following the destruction of the dam, dozens of villages were wiped off the map as the wave that Elsa repelled around Arendelle washed through their settlements.
The dam held a reservoir that supplied water to Arendelle and the surrounding villages during the frozen winter, the lack of which nearly decimated the remaining settlements.
Previously tribute in the form of goods and currency was paid to Arendelle for the water (hence its wealth). With their farms and livelyhoods destroyed the remaining villages took up arms and marched on Arendelle to take back what was theirs.
TITLE SCREEN - FROZEN 3
Frozen is meh, but Frozen 2 itself made absolutely no sense. What was the point of Elsa to be appointed queen turns out in the end, she ends up living in the forest, and left her sister to become queen. Let’s be honest, Anna is a terrible queen and for the reason, she lacks leadership. I guess Elsa is too, but throughout the movie Anna didn’t show leadership unless you count the time she told her grandfather’s soldiers and the tribe to tear down the bridge but that was it. You are right this movie was rushed.
i never understood how frozen became so popular because looking back at frozen 1 its like, ok at best?