It should also be noted that if not building the gnoblar launcher, you should have enough extra gnoblars for a full 20 man unit. So that pushes the box to 1,030 points. You'll need extra 25mm bases but those are pretty cheap to get.
Thanks for the videos, I love your content, really helps me getting started into AoS. I started with gloomspite gitz but I think I'm gonna branch out for Ogor Mawtribes because the lore and models are cool !
It’s the perfect box for Warcry! There’s also Gnoblars coming with both Ogor foot units and if you don’t mind a little kitbash you could also take the two handed weapons and a head with a helmet from the Mournfang riders, slap them on a Glutton and boom you have an Irongut.
It’s kind of impossible to compare them imo. They share a book, but the Ogors are not really a mixed faction. The start collecting was great value, but only if you absolutely wanted BCR. If you wanted the regular foot ogors, it was absolutely garbage value. The vanguard box is just the opposite, it’s great if you want these ogors but awful if you want BCR. I think it’s a great box BECAUSE it’s focused on a faction, with a little bit of utility options in the cannon/mournfang. The start collecting was great because it was focused too. The only way to make a “bad” box imo would be to include all the different factions like the Gitz box and include everything together that has no synergy or place being together. A fire belly, a unit of yetees, leadbelchers and a gnoblar box for example.
It will be interesting to see how the new battletome pans out. The trend in 3rd edition seems to have been towards integration (for example skaven can now take battleline from each clan based on their heroes, nurgle mixed mortals and demons is far more viable than in 2nd, etc). I think the problem with ogors (hopefully until now) was that the gutbuster units were lousy AND beastclaw raiders had a great starter kit so it was hard to justify playing anything but beastclaw raiders. That said, I totally agree the sets push in very different directions. In my perfect world they would sell both. Would have been cool if they had kept it around as a Beastclaw Raiders bundle of some sort, even if they had to bump the price up a bit.
Despite popular belief - the ogre lead belcher is NOT where the name for the paint came from - dig deep in the past for the original dwarf siege gun with the same name
Very much a downgrade. That they include the 4 decorative Gnoblars in the miniature count is disgusting. EDIT: Ok you've convinced me that the new Vanguard box isn't awful but I still have problems with it.
Yeah the fact they list it as "4 gnoblars" in the description on their website which is confusing, I had to do a fair amount of digging to figure out the second two were tacked on the leadbelchers (the lookout gnoblars are at least more clearly tied to the gluttons in their rules).
Just found your channel, getting into the hobby and it’s been really helpful. Cheers.
It should also be noted that if not building the gnoblar launcher, you should have enough extra gnoblars for a full 20 man unit. So that pushes the box to 1,030 points.
You'll need extra 25mm bases but those are pretty cheap to get.
Did not know that!
Really love that you give Prices always in Pounds, Dollars and Euros!
Been trying to do that more, thanks!
Would have been a lovely time to release a plastic butcher. Just sayin.
Nope. Instead we got the ugly and bad bloodpelt hunter.
@@chaosrex1487 yeah its ugly af. I tend to want all models in my army, but this one i aint building even if i get it for free
@@chaosrex1487 whaaaat? The hunter is cool what are you talking about?
My local has 3-4 of the old one. 2 so sunbleached from lack of sales theyre nearly white
Thanks for the videos, I love your content, really helps me getting started into AoS. I started with gloomspite gitz but I think I'm gonna branch out for Ogor Mawtribes because the lore and models are cool !
Thanks! Glad you like the videos. Ogors and Gitz are both such fun armies, hope you've been having a great time with the hobby
Awesome breakdown! Appreciate the info and will be coming back for more
I actually like it for Warcry as well, lots of variety. Only the scraplauncher can't be used.
It’s the perfect box for Warcry! There’s also Gnoblars coming with both Ogor foot units and if you don’t mind a little kitbash you could also take the two handed weapons and a head with a helmet from the Mournfang riders, slap them on a Glutton and boom you have an Irongut.
Good video as usual!
Are you going to do a video on the Christmas boxes?
Yep! I snuck a sneak peek in at the end of the video for that and the next (infectious) tier list ;)
I really like your content, great work!
Cheers!
It’s kind of impossible to compare them imo.
They share a book, but the Ogors are not really a mixed faction. The start collecting was great value, but only if you absolutely wanted BCR. If you wanted the regular foot ogors, it was absolutely garbage value. The vanguard box is just the opposite, it’s great if you want these ogors but awful if you want BCR.
I think it’s a great box BECAUSE it’s focused on a faction, with a little bit of utility options in the cannon/mournfang. The start collecting was great because it was focused too. The only way to make a “bad” box imo would be to include all the different factions like the Gitz box and include everything together that has no synergy or place being together. A fire belly, a unit of yetees, leadbelchers and a gnoblar box for example.
It will be interesting to see how the new battletome pans out. The trend in 3rd edition seems to have been towards integration (for example skaven can now take battleline from each clan based on their heroes, nurgle mixed mortals and demons is far more viable than in 2nd, etc). I think the problem with ogors (hopefully until now) was that the gutbuster units were lousy AND beastclaw raiders had a great starter kit so it was hard to justify playing anything but beastclaw raiders.
That said, I totally agree the sets push in very different directions. In my perfect world they would sell both. Would have been cool if they had kept it around as a Beastclaw Raiders bundle of some sort, even if they had to bump the price up a bit.
Can only see the vanguard in the warhammer store
Despite popular belief - the ogre lead belcher is NOT where the name for the paint came from - dig deep in the past for the original dwarf siege gun with the same name
Edit - it was a goblin cannon with the face of a dead troll friend tacked to the front - apologies
If you want only BCR this is very much trash
Very much a downgrade. That they include the 4 decorative Gnoblars in the miniature count is disgusting.
EDIT: Ok you've convinced me that the new Vanguard box isn't awful but I still have problems with it.
Yeah the fact they list it as "4 gnoblars" in the description on their website which is confusing, I had to do a fair amount of digging to figure out the second two were tacked on the leadbelchers (the lookout gnoblars are at least more clearly tied to the gluttons in their rules).
@@BudgetWaaagh i got a box of gnoblars recently and got like 25 circle bases and 25 square ones. Guess they want people to base them themselves.