@@supernatural-d3c Whose career did he ruin? I'm always hearing people say that, but I don't see it. To ruin someone's career, it means that he has to have ruined the whole thing, yet Vader, Shane Douglas and nearly everyone else he wrestled did pretty well for themselves.
@@sertorrhenclegane yes he along with his infamous group Kliq did... Vader, Bam Bam, Crush, Adam Bomb were supposed to be pushed by Vince, but due to Shawn's crybaby attitude and backstage politics they are not being remembered to the extent of Shawn being portrayed by wwe... Also when Scott Hall went to ECW, these wrestlers threw him out in order to avenge what the kliq did to their career while being in then wwf
@@supernatural-d3c Vader doesn't count. I said he had to have ruined their entire career and Vader had an unbelievably successful career in Japan and in WCW, so one in WWE would just be gilding the lily. Could it have happened and been great? Sure. But it's kind of like Sting. He doesn't really need to have had a successful career in the WWE for him to be a legend. As for Crush and Adam Bom, I think Shawn did the right thing keeping Brian Adams and Bryan Clark out of the main event. The only one that I can see an argument for is Bam Bam. He could've honestly taken Diesel's spot as the big guy with the belt, and I wouldn't have had an issue with it.
Hulk has a history of twisting booking when it comes to losing titles. Another particularly shitty bit of business from him was during World War 3 in WCW. Not in the lead up to the show, or backstage. Literally during the World War 3 match, he changed his elimination over the top rope at the hands of The Giant (Paul Wight/Big Show) to him being thrown under the ropes, so when Macho Man won the match and the belt Hogan overshadowed it with a promo saying "Enjoy it while it lasts because I was never eliminated and all the Hulkamaniacs know that that's still my title". He wasn't heel at this point. At least, not in front of the camera.
One thing you should have added, WCW owed Flair $$ related to the belt. That's why he kept it. He was required to have a deposit with WCW while he held the belt, and Hurd wouldn't pay Flair his $$ back. He kept the belt over $$$, not because of who he would or wouldn't drop it to.
The $25,000 dated back to the days of the NWA when the champion elect had to pay a deposit on the belt, Flair believed that the belt was his as his money was never returned to him and Jim Herd was truly out of his depth, then again Pizzaman was out of his depth on a wet pavement.
I knew about Rey Mysterio refusing to drop the IC Championship as he felt like he deserved a longer reign , but it’s still surprising to hear it about someone like Rey His IC Championship reign was great (shame about him failing the Wellness Policy) and it still would’ve been thought as great even if he lost to Dolph Ziggler
Call Sable what you will, but she’s practically the only diva to work the WWE on her own terms, settled out of court and still waltzed right back. That’s power.
You have the timeline wrong about Flair refusing to drop the title to Lex Luger. That happened in 1990, not 1991 Sting was injured in 1990. WCW officials wanted Flair to drop the title to Luger at WrestleWar 1990, but Flair refused, saying he promised to drop the title to Sting instead, which he eventually did. In 1991, Flair and Jim Herd had a contract dispute, which resulted in Herd firing Flair 2 weeks before the Great American Bash, where he was scheduled to defend the title against Lex Luger. The title was declared vacant, and Barry Windham substituted for Flair. Luger won that match. Flair may have been scheduled to lose the belt to Luger. He didn't refuse to lose to him, but rather refused to go with the changes Herd proposed, such as shaving his hair, wearing a diamond earing, and calling himself "Spartacus"
No they don't. Flair did it a few times, and definitely did the same thing in 1991. Flair is a scumbag, a real piece of shit and everybody let's him get away with it.
I remember hearing somewhere there was plan to maybe give Chyna the heavyweight title but a few top male stars said they wouldn't put her over because it would make them look really bad...
#1 is no surprise to me. He was the king of refusing to drop the title during his reign of terror. I'm surprised Sable wasn't higher on the list, she was the queen of being an utter bitch.
Both Bret Hart & Tatanka have both in great detail have said that HBK was meant to drop the Intercontinental championship to Tatanka at Wrestlemaina IX
You can tell OP isn’t familiar with American football. Lesnar had a legitimate shot. Despite having serious injuries from an motorcycle accident, he did so well at the try out he got invited to camp. Hovan stated lesnar couldn’t pick up the playbook in time and that’s why he didn’t make it.
Sable’s popularity was why the WWF brought back the women’s title and when she left the WWF, the subsequent champions didn’t make an impact to the point the WWF turned to gimmicks like Moolah, Hervina and Stephanie McMahon to hold it until Lita and eventually Trish got going. Honourable mention to Ivory but she was never appreciated until long after she retired.
So this is where the owner/BOSS grows a pair of balls and tells them that they WILL drop the title to whoever the BOSS says or be, either stripped of the title, suspended and stripped, or fired. It is that simple. To many promotion's owners are gutless and let the talent walk all over them.
I've never heard of this Bret Hart one before! It sounds really interesting, I wonder if anyone has done more in depth videos about this particular subject! :D ..../s
I think you guys confused on the Ric part since Jim Herd wanted Flair to drop the title to Luger in 1990 not 1991. Ric promise the belt to Sting that's why Flair refused to drop the title to Luger since he was waiting for Sting to come back.
I got some more people who refuse to drop the belt. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Jeff Jarrett, sasha banks, asuka, john cena, laycool, mike awesome, kevin nash,
Sable being the WWF women champion was a joke and the fact she didn't want to get pinned by Luna but lost it to Debra in a evening gown match was joke too and she got what she deserved for it
Yes and no. He wasn't under contract. It was a per performance basis. He had no problem dropping the title, you just had to pay him more to show up. Vince actually respects that.
Hogan had an ego cause Vince spoiled his star by always giving in to him HBK was the worst when it came to losing a title, like a little kid with a toy he didn't want to share
6:44 “rightly and wrongly” what’s wrong about Jim Herd catching flack for that time period when he was in charge and it’s clear he was never fit to run a wrestling promotion? The amount of former, high level, wrestlers that have talked about his incompetence should be enough to show he was always rightfully criticized….you all on this channel are just too scared to full out put your foot down on somebody aren’t you?
If I was Bret I would still take digs at hulk, vince and Goldberg as much as I could as well. The dude was the least problematic superstar and only had the business in mind for his questions, only to get screwed over and looked at as the second player next to problematic or less deserving guys like Shawn, Diesel, then getting screwed over by Shawn and hulk
I wouldn't have expected it to ne Rey, now I wonder if he intentionally failed the check so the belt went to Morrison instead, to spite the company not Dolph 🤔. Though it's still wild cause Dolph ended up not getting the belt till much later cause Drew got it from Morrison.
Why do you guys NEVER EVER ACKNOWLEDGE the ppv that was a penciled in pre survivor series 97. ONE NIGHT ONLY. Just hear me out. The EXACT same scenerio happened to Davey boy Smith in England and nobody ever looks at it like Bret thinking (after dedicating the match to his dying sister) HBK went to Vince and in England the finish was changed so Davey would lose and he was told about the change in the gorilla position!! Meaning he had no time to talk to his family or sister about the change. The hart foundation were LIVID. So, why would Bret have concerns about the outcome in 97? Bret had WAY higher standing position then Davey. Can't you all see him saying "let that little fucker try that with me instead"?
They're lucky Stan Hansen only ran over the title with his truck. If he used a Lariat, that belt would have been obliterated.
And that's the story of how the hard-core title was created
You mean his lariato in njpw
They'd never have found all the pieces.
@@lordbendtner6404 LARIATOOOOOOOO!
Still laugh when I hear that story.
Before even watching this, Hulk Hogan probably refused to drop a title
Edit: Thank you for the likes
Could be because he's in the thumbnail...
"This video doesn't work for me, brother."
@@TheScience69 could be because he's a well known narcissist
@@TheScience69 it’s cute you think anyone needs a thumbnail for that
@@TheScience69 qqq
“This thumbnail doesn’t work for me, brother” ~Terry Eugene Bollea
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love the story of the Undertaker "convincing" Shawn Michaels to drop the WWE Title.
Vader was promised by Vince McMahon two world title reigns. Shawn refused to lose.
Shawn was a jackass in those days lol
He also refused to lose to dean douglas and bret hart
@@danieldrayet2364 he then got mad at Mike Tyson for dropping a shirt on him
@@someone0 yea saying it was "overkill"
He also got the finish to the one night only match changed to him winning instead of Davey
Then vader should’ve washed his gear . The Sid HBk angle was better
It's crazy how Shawn Michaels went from never wanting to drop the title, to never wanting to win the title. Got to love the G.O.A.T.
It’s crazy how you gloss over how much of a shitty person he was
Because he became a selfless Christian after ruining so many careers
@@supernatural-d3c Whose career did he ruin? I'm always hearing people say that, but I don't see it. To ruin someone's career, it means that he has to have ruined the whole thing, yet Vader, Shane Douglas and nearly everyone else he wrestled did pretty well for themselves.
@@sertorrhenclegane yes he along with his infamous group Kliq did... Vader, Bam Bam, Crush, Adam Bomb were supposed to be pushed by Vince, but due to Shawn's crybaby attitude and backstage politics they are not being remembered to the extent of Shawn being portrayed by wwe... Also when Scott Hall went to ECW, these wrestlers threw him out in order to avenge what the kliq did to their career while being in then wwf
@@supernatural-d3c Vader doesn't count. I said he had to have ruined their entire career and Vader had an unbelievably successful career in Japan and in WCW, so one in WWE would just be gilding the lily. Could it have happened and been great? Sure. But it's kind of like Sting. He doesn't really need to have had a successful career in the WWE for him to be a legend.
As for Crush and Adam Bom, I think Shawn did the right thing keeping Brian Adams and Bryan Clark out of the main event.
The only one that I can see an argument for is Bam Bam. He could've honestly taken Diesel's spot as the big guy with the belt, and I wouldn't have had an issue with it.
Bully Ray Refusing To Drop The TNA Championship but when he did to Chris Sabin of all people he won it back and held on to it a bit longer
Chyna never refused to drop the title. The plan was a series, to put over Lita. Chyna was released in the midst of the Triple H/Stephanie backstory.
If wrestling was a bingo card the Montreal screw job would be the free space in the centre.
The fast forward on the Montreal Screw Job was amazing!
Hulk Hogan is definitely not a "Surprise" 🙄
Hulk: That doesn't work for me brother brother brother
Hulk has a history of twisting booking when it comes to losing titles. Another particularly shitty bit of business from him was during World War 3 in WCW. Not in the lead up to the show, or backstage. Literally during the World War 3 match, he changed his elimination over the top rope at the hands of The Giant (Paul Wight/Big Show) to him being thrown under the ropes, so when Macho Man won the match and the belt Hogan overshadowed it with a promo saying "Enjoy it while it lasts because I was never eliminated and all the Hulkamaniacs know that that's still my title".
He wasn't heel at this point. At least, not in front of the camera.
Honky Tonk Man without the IC title is something not in my memory
Rey Mysterio is the last man I expected on this list. Then again, it wasn't a bad political move.
Honestly it's nice that he valued the mid card title so much
One thing you should have added, WCW owed Flair $$ related to the belt. That's why he kept it. He was required to have a deposit with WCW while he held the belt, and Hurd wouldn't pay Flair his $$ back. He kept the belt over $$$, not because of who he would or wouldn't drop it to.
This was a very cheap, one-sided video without expressing the facts ... made just to get views. I won't watch anything else by this group/production.
The $25,000 dated back to the days of the NWA when the champion elect had to pay a deposit on the belt, Flair believed that the belt was his as his money was never returned to him and Jim Herd was truly out of his depth, then again Pizzaman was out of his depth on a wet pavement.
I always love the story of Taker ensuring that Shawn would drop the title to Austin. Never gets old.
Taker has actually refuted that
@@ChristopherJohn4389 Really? Aw.. but Shawn did say he was scared of him.
I knew about Rey Mysterio refusing to drop the IC Championship as he felt like he deserved a longer reign , but it’s still surprising to hear it about someone like Rey
His IC Championship reign was great (shame about him failing the Wellness Policy) and it still would’ve been thought as great even if he lost to Dolph Ziggler
Rey Mysterio argued over the wrong title. He should of refused to lose the WWE Championship a year later. He keeps learning the hard way. SMH!
Wait the hulkters refusing to do the J O B? What a shocker
Call Sable what you will, but she’s practically the only diva to work the WWE on her own terms, settled out of court and still waltzed right back. That’s power.
But Rey got a good points for refusing the title lose
Hulk hogan didn’t refuse to lose his title brother, oh no brother Hulk Hogan just so good he COULDN’T lose full stop brother. Brotherrrrr.
You have the timeline wrong about Flair refusing to drop the title to Lex Luger. That happened in 1990, not 1991
Sting was injured in 1990. WCW officials wanted Flair to drop the title to Luger at WrestleWar 1990, but Flair refused, saying he promised to drop the title to Sting instead, which he eventually did.
In 1991, Flair and Jim Herd had a contract dispute, which resulted in Herd firing Flair 2 weeks before the Great American Bash, where he was scheduled to defend the title against Lex Luger. The title was declared vacant, and Barry Windham substituted for Flair. Luger won that match. Flair may have been scheduled to lose the belt to Luger. He didn't refuse to lose to him, but rather refused to go with the changes Herd proposed, such as shaving his hair, wearing a diamond earing, and calling himself "Spartacus"
No they don't. Flair did it a few times, and definitely did the same thing in 1991. Flair is a scumbag, a real piece of shit and everybody let's him get away with it.
That Bret Hart story sounds interesting. Wonder if it will ever spoken about.......
Oh no of course not. Bret doesn’t seem like the type to hold a grudge…
@GabbyPlaysGames02 oh no he's an honestly Canadian married man who would never cheat on his wife....
Wow…. “The talent could bomb.” Shows picture of Jinder Mahal, excellent choice of words :D
I remember hearing somewhere there was plan to maybe give Chyna the heavyweight title but a few top male stars said they wouldn't put her over because it would make them look really bad...
Then you have Dustin Rhodes who was once willing to get breast implants to get over.
No. Actually Vince said that he would make her champion but she has to refuse the playboy but the photoshoot paid her a lot so she chose it
@The Outsider how
That would have been hilarious
Fair enough.
#1 is no surprise to me. He was the king of refusing to drop the title during his reign of terror. I'm surprised Sable wasn't higher on the list, she was the queen of being an utter bitch.
Of course hogan not wanting to give bret hart the title aint that shocking
Love these list by Adam 👏🏽👏🏽
I am certain that the first drauight of this video's script was called "Ten Times HBK refused to lose his title".
British bulldog was promised a title run but shawn micheals refused to let him win
Not only that, but the match in question was in England with Bulldog's family present, and Shawn had to be a prick and not do the job.
I think the Hogan quote to Bret was ‘you’re not in my league brother.’
Yeah Bret was way better than Hogan
Oh yeah he was which was why that was so stupid but Bret won in the end I guess
I mean, he was right...
That doesn’t work for me brother
Both Bret Hart & Tatanka have both in great detail have said that HBK was meant to drop the Intercontinental championship to Tatanka at Wrestlemaina IX
Hogan,Cena,HHH are the Reason Undertaker,Jericho,HBK lost thite for Less number of times and even Some people who Deserved they never won
I would have liked to see Bret and Hogan go at it at SummerSlam’93. Too bad that match never happened 😡
And there was no plan for it either. Bruce prichard said it on something to wrestle with.
I thought this was going to be the “10 Title Reigns of Shawn Michaels” when I first saw the title. 😂😂😂
You can tell OP isn’t familiar with American football. Lesnar had a legitimate shot. Despite having serious injuries from an motorcycle accident, he did so well at the try out he got invited to camp. Hovan stated lesnar couldn’t pick up the playbook in time and that’s why he didn’t make it.
Putting the strap on Chyna really buried the women's division
Terry should have a dozen slots in this. "That doesn't work for me, brother."
Sable’s popularity was why the WWF brought back the women’s title and when she left the WWF, the subsequent champions didn’t make an impact to the point the WWF turned to gimmicks like Moolah, Hervina and Stephanie McMahon to hold it until Lita and eventually Trish got going.
Honourable mention to Ivory but she was never appreciated until long after she retired.
7:40 Actually, the night of _GAB_ '91 it was the Professional Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Championship with cheap-looking plates attached to it.
Rip joanie laurer
So this is where the owner/BOSS grows a pair of balls and tells them that they WILL drop the title to whoever the BOSS says or be, either stripped of the title, suspended and stripped, or fired. It is that simple. To many promotion's owners are gutless and let the talent walk all over them.
Lol 😂 my kids would love the gecko voice cameo. (If you know, you know).
Pretty odd how Rey refused to drop the IC Title to Dolph but failed the welling policy test and was forced to drop the belt to Morrison.
Personally I'm glad because Dolph wasn't ready at that time.
Yea WWE are like children when you tell them no. Just like Samoa Joe was “injured” and had to relinquish the NXT belt.
I've never heard of this Bret Hart one before! It sounds really interesting, I wonder if anyone has done more in depth videos about this particular subject! :D ..../s
So glad you sped up the Montreal Screw job. So bored of that being on lists
I think you guys confused on the Ric part since Jim Herd wanted Flair to drop the title to Luger in 1990 not 1991. Ric promise the belt to Sting that's why Flair refused to drop the title to Luger since he was waiting for Sting to come back.
The thumbnail of Hulk is like the personification of cocaine! And dude's skin has the color and shade of a 7-11 hot dog left on the grill all day!
Ray is not A good employee,he went outside his contract to wrestle in mexico. Killed a guy with his signature 6:19.
Don't like him don't respect him.
Great research as usual
Thank you for the fast forward 😂
I’m shocked that The Fabulous Moolah is not on this list.
The fast forward is funny as hell
The MSJ is the center spot of the What Culture and Cultaholic Bingo card.
Don’t blame Chyna she had a point.. They ruined her Character putting her in the Women’s division.. Should have kept her with the men
I got some more people who refuse to drop the belt. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Jeff Jarrett, sasha banks, asuka, john cena, laycool, mike awesome, kevin nash,
Imagine if Awesome Kong had been around to come in and work against Chyna for the Women's title.
My God that would have been money
3:20 - Is that Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers?
where do you get your information from?
Sable being the WWF women champion was a joke and the fact she didn't want to get pinned by Luna but lost it to Debra in a evening gown match was joke too and she got what she deserved for it
Uh…she was rehired 4 years later and got a big payoff for her 3rd Playboy cover AND married Brock? Was that her “getting what she deserved”??
I heard that night after she lost,X-Pac and some of the boys shit on her clothes which led her to quit and sue WWF.
@@ezmony6950 all that aside, she was rehired 4 years later was my point.
Luna never won the title because of Sable even thoe Luna was a way better wrestler but kept it on Sable because of her looks 😑
Shane Douglas- ECW in 98 should be on here
Bret hasn't stopped bring up Hogan in 30 years? Nether have I and I was like 11.
I never thought mysterio didnt want to lose the title to Ziggler
The way they've booked Ziggler, I wouldn't want to lose the belt holding up my pants to him.
That doesn't work for me brother!
I'm surprised Jeff Jarrett wasn't on here. Didn't he hold up a show demanding more money to drop the title to Chyna?
Yes and no. He wasn't under contract. It was a per performance basis. He had no problem dropping the title, you just had to pay him more to show up. Vince actually respects that.
Not for nothing but a Brooklyn Brawler title run would have been epic.
"That doesn't work for me brother!"
I don't understand how their egos get so out of hand when it's been widely known for so long that the outcome is scripted.
Hogan had an ego cause Vince spoiled his star by always giving in to him
HBK was the worst when it came to losing a title, like a little kid with a toy he didn't want to share
Flair knew sting was worth something
Lol thought the girl on the thumbnail was Britney Spears hahaha 🤣
HBK was a piece of work😂😂😂.….I love him.
Hulk Hogan , Shawn Michaels and Triple H are real life toxic men after all
Somebody that doesn't even know who Hulk Hogan is somebody that doesn't know the real life hulk Terry hogan.
@@endsequence94 well no s*** you get my point
@@dmanentertament125 get your facts straight and names correct or you will be blocked from further commentary on this site.
@@ericsacks5731 my facts were right
@@ericsacks5731 Hulk Hogan did put over all those wrestlers, also my fact was right about what culture just being the Dave Meltzer of TH-cam
6:44 “rightly and wrongly” what’s wrong about Jim Herd catching flack for that time period when he was in charge and it’s clear he was never fit to run a wrestling promotion? The amount of former, high level, wrestlers that have talked about his incompetence should be enough to show he was always rightfully criticized….you all on this channel are just too scared to full out put your foot down on somebody aren’t you?
It's funny HHH and Hogan was the first two pictured 😂
If I was Bret I would still take digs at hulk, vince and Goldberg as much as I could as well. The dude was the least problematic superstar and only had the business in mind for his questions, only to get screwed over and looked at as the second player next to problematic or less deserving guys like Shawn, Diesel, then getting screwed over by Shawn and hulk
Vince said to China you can become world heavyweight champion if you don't pose for playboy but she declined.
I wouldn't have expected it to ne Rey, now I wonder if he intentionally failed the check so the belt went to Morrison instead, to spite the company not Dolph 🤔.
Though it's still wild cause Dolph ended up not getting the belt till much later cause Drew got it from Morrison.
Luna should have won sable.
Should have give it to Luna
Why do you guys NEVER EVER ACKNOWLEDGE the ppv that was a penciled in pre survivor series 97. ONE NIGHT ONLY. Just hear me out. The EXACT same scenerio happened to Davey boy Smith in England and nobody ever looks at it like Bret thinking (after dedicating the match to his dying sister) HBK went to Vince and in England the finish was changed so Davey would lose and he was told about the change in the gorilla position!! Meaning he had no time to talk to his family or sister about the change. The hart foundation were LIVID. So, why would Bret have concerns about the outcome in 97? Bret had WAY higher standing position then Davey. Can't you all see him saying "let that little fucker try that with me instead"?
God bless u for FFing thru the screw job lmao
Okay being weird here but, anyone else have a crush on Pacitti?
I do.
Bret Hart for sure should have dropped the title to the Brooklyn Brawler
Guy who got the 500th like is a title nobody can make me drop.
If I was Champion in say, NJPW, here's what I would do. I would drop the IWGP Heavyweight title and ask for a cast copy of the belt.
Bob Backlund refused to drop the World Heavyweight title to Hulk Hogan, after holding it for several years....
10:27 Define convinced. Better for his health?
Did anyone else notice the NJPW logo in the background of the Jim herd pic?
thanks!
every title holder from the 40s til the 80s basically
good video
Remember when these list used to be a thing
Hope you didn’t bite your tongue while fast-forwarding through the Bret hart part. Lol 👅
WTAF is Barry Windham wearing in that picture?
Is it some sort of swamp camo type thing?
It's his personality.
10. Shawn Michaels
9. Shawn Michaels
8. Shawn Michaels
7. Shawn Michaels
you could fill up all 10 spots on this list with Shawn Michaels.
Yeah Sean Michaels is the goat he definitely became back from his injury and found god. Good think he came or he would not be so fondly remember.
Hogan and Michaels should be 1 and 2 on the list. Triple H should be on the list as well.
I'm surprised HBK was #1, thought Hogan would have been #1
Goldberg at Halloween havoc refusing to drop the belt to DDP I have that on good authority