Ron, hearing from the people who were there at the time in their own words is a revelation I can't get from reading history books or listening to experts. Thanks so much for selecting so many texts from those who experienced the war firsthand.
Currently in the middle of John Bowers’ Stonewall Jackson, Portrait of a Soldier. Was at Chancellorsville in October. Very haunting being where he was wounded, where he and Lee met before his march around the Union flank. He’s an interesting study.
Thank you Ron. Of the three press excerpts you read, it seems only the Portland Maine paper exhibited a degree of magnanimity and truth and did not stoop to the depths of pettiness and distortion. It is easy to write such opinions at some far away desk, but I am sure those Union officers and soldiers who faced Jackson in battle came away with a different point of view. They likely feared him as one of their enemy's most capable, innovative, and unpredictable commanders worthy of respect even in death.
This is Brilliant & Eclectic! "Bury, not praise.... dauby inkspot [clever]... best blood has been drained off... for the Southern market [so brutal & just in its deprecation]" Magnificently insightful selection - I LOVE YOUR CONTENT
I am not aware of such a letter! A cursory search reveals that Lincoln made no public comment, and also he mentioned Jackson's death in a private letter. But I have not seen such a letter. More research needed.
One thing I hold as true: when we denigrate and disrespect our enemies, we disrespect ourselves and we cheapen our victories. When we are faced with a worthy adversary, there is no shame in being defeated, but overcoming a worthy enemy is all that more honorable. We all want an easy victory, but those things that are truly earned through a difficult and worthy struggle, are all the more precious. In this regard, with the complete defeat of a worthy foe, perhaps it is well that the Civil War was not won early at Bull Run or at Antietam, but had to be prolonged, as it was, in order to burn out its ultimate cause, slavery, rather than make continuous post-war accommodations to it. Perhaps it was necessary that the South was well and truly defeated after making their best stand so as to prevent a "Stab In The Back" hypothesis from growing as it did in Germany after the inconclusive end of WW 1 in that toothless "Armistice." The "Lost Cause" propaganda was bad enough, but slavery was well and truly dead and there was no reviving it to again fight over it.
The rise of industry in the North and the money-making prospect of the westward expansion was a driving force. The Manifest Destiny belief to move westward was a money maker for those industries which included the railroads. The power of the government turning toward the Republican Party was also a driving factor. Money and political power. The freeing of slaves was a war move to weaken the Southern economy by taking away their labor. Sherman's Scorched Earth Policy was to finish off the Southern economy so as to conquer the South and not allow them to rebuild to " rise again another day"
@@leezettel596 A rather strange and off-the-topic reply to my post, wouldn't you say? A strange and conspiratorial look at history. But to address one of your points, I agree that the Southern economy was based on the total exploitation of other human beings including ALL of their Human Rights, besides just their right to be justly paid according to their labor. I also agree (with others) that this was a stupendously great WRONG and against everything I stand for with regard to humanity and Justice and whole rotten edifice very WELL deserved to be destroyed. It was the wealthy in the Slave States that used the power of propaganda (the "Fire-Eater Press**") to make fools and suckers out of the common Southern man and to get him to fight their "Rich Man's War and Poor Man's Fight" while most of the rich slave holders stayed home to make sure their slaves "knew their place." The Southern economy, run for the benefit of the wealthy slavers, was indeed wrecked as was only right and just. The wealthy slavers lost everything or nearly everything and took their region down with them in their stupid decision to protect slavery through the remedy of war. They asked for it and they got it, they sure did. Regarding that "rise again another day" silly "Lost Cause" meme, with the slave gone, the "Slave Economy" was well and truly ended or, for me to put another way, "Gone With The Wind." Rather than "rising again" to destroy the nation, today the South is the source of much of our military and patriotism. ** Consider how even more effective it would have been if they would have had "AM Hate Talk Radio."
If Jeff Davis had allowed Gen. Jackson to cross the Potomac River and capture Washington like he wanted to do, the war would more than likely ended with the Confederacy being the victor.
anyone who (still) has an axe to grind about the US Servile War (1861-1865) would do well to read Keegan's book - as a foreigner with no dog in the fight, he tells it like it is (was) and pulls no punches. Jackson was a capable commander and talented soldier, BUT he was a bigot serving a morally reprehensible cause, and anyone visiting his SHRINE (yes, it's called that, was not changed until recently) should be asked, "what, specifically, makes his actions so worthy of veneration?"
My ancestors served with the 12th North Carolina he was wounded on May 2nd 1863 at the Battle of Chancellorsville and I am proud of my ancestors served under Stonewall Jackson
My great grandfather was in a regiment (107th Ohio) that was overrun by Jackson and his troops at Chancellorsville. Would be interesting to know his view of Jackson.
A great General, a man for his time,although he was considered a traitor to the United States. Interesting how in the last number of years with the destruction of Confederate and other monuments the old wounds are opened
yeah, but since he got taken out by his man. that is called 'stupid' and called 'losing'. a loser dies to his own side's aim. americans r known for dying to their own friendly fire than any other army in history. Kind of makes a white man wonder why another white man would dare to enslave a man that shares the same skin tone as that Son of God Jesus. The blacks wrote the Bible. No whites did. so, it does not make smart sense to enslave the people that share that tone. besides, only 3% of the Southerners owned black slaves. the other 97% of the white population was piss oor farmers without a chance of ever becoming slave owners themselves. Making the 97% the real slaves in the South. Losers get killed. winners live long enough to achieve a day off for the rest of the nation. what day of the year is the day off that honors the stoner? is there is a day given to honor the stoner? I do thank u for your service. U work so hard, for the shareholders, and U shall never be free of their reign. May the God, created by the dark skinned racist Judaists that wrote the Bible, help Guide you to the lowest of all gross wages. No tax cut will ever change your gross wages. again, thank u for choosing to be the slave in this lifetime. AIM High, as the USAF slogan. and if u see a stoner in a grey uniform. try not to shoot that dude, as he may well be one of your friends. stoner had no God to save him from his own troops' aim. imagine if they were just bad at aim. stoner might have survived.
Their prophetic assessments, that in future we would revere Jackson today only as a dashing soldier and capable general, and would abhor the cause he fought for, are impressively accurate.
@@johnstezelecki8157That topic that your foaming at the mouth about. It still exist, ever heard of "wage slavery"? And l imagine The Benevolent Tyrant is a deity to you and your ilk!
@@johnstezelecki8157Slavery was already dying a natural death. The changes in perception of slavery and the coming mechanization of farming would have soon killed it naturally. Given later world events I can’t imagine the two countries would have been adversaries.
@@johnstezelecki8157 LOL Slavery would have died off in 20-30 years anyway, just like all the other South American slaveholding countries (Brazil, Cuba, etc.). Did you ever hear of tractors and other farm machinery?
I have never comprehended reasons for the adulation by some native-born U.S. citizens of the “Confederates”. This writer fears that perhaps the peak amplitude of the U.S.A. has crested and a Dark Age is upon our planet for no place else has been a beacon of freedom as perhaps was (?) this land. Is an Evil spawn gathering again within this land? I am unable to fully communicate the fear that grips me. I do so hope that my vote did not contribute to The End.
😮Dame he died to protect slavery good man but this war was gods war 🙏 he died for what he believed in slavery was wrong like old people you weep what soek 😢❤❤❤❤
and the North didn't have slavery ? or Union Generals that were slave owners ? Delaware , Maryland , Missouri , Kentucky .West Virgina and New Jersey under another name , Union Generals Lockwood , and yes Grant owned a slave his in-laws were slave owners and to top it off Lincoln in laws were slave owners , where did you think he got money to run to be Pres. ? Now go research all i said to you and learn .
What have you heard or learned to reach that conclusion? Not criticising you, just interested in what historical information might be out there about this.
Ron, hearing from the people who were there at the time in their own words is a revelation I can't get from reading history books or listening to experts. Thanks so much for selecting so many texts from those who experienced the war firsthand.
Ron, and this channel, are both national treasures. Thank you so much for keeping this history alive.
Exquisitely brilliant use of the English language, thank you 🛹🍁
Great video, as usual
Currently in the middle of John Bowers’ Stonewall Jackson, Portrait of a Soldier. Was at Chancellorsville in October. Very haunting being where he was wounded, where he and Lee met before his march around the Union flank. He’s an interesting study.
Thank you Ron. Of the three press excerpts you read, it seems only the Portland Maine paper exhibited a degree of magnanimity and truth and did not stoop to the depths of pettiness and distortion. It is easy to write such opinions at some far away desk, but I am sure those Union officers and soldiers who faced Jackson in battle came away with a different point of view. They likely feared him as one of their enemy's most capable, innovative, and unpredictable commanders worthy of respect even in death.
There was a war going on.
@@owensomers8572 Quite an observation on your part.
@@chuckwest7045 Thank you?
Thank you. Respectfully, W.S.
A hero's glory can never exceed the worthiness of the cause. Magnificently insightful selection - I LOVE YOUR CONTENT
Excellent observation, sir.
This is Brilliant & Eclectic! "Bury, not praise.... dauby inkspot [clever]... best blood has been drained off... for the Southern market [so brutal & just in its deprecation]" Magnificently insightful selection - I LOVE YOUR CONTENT
Love this channel
The war left us with the dysfunctional government we have today.
Very few people realise this!👍🏼
You are correct.
Better than the alternative; the Confederacy.
@@rlanious I must respectfully disagree. Neither a Confederacy NOR a dysfunctional government is what is needed
@ No way. The Confederacy believed in limited government. That's much better than what we have today.
God bless the memory of Jackson and our ancestors.
God bless the Army of Northern Virginia
Why? They were traitors.@@johndubose1395
@ they were defending their homeland from invasion. Most did not own slaves.
Marysville Appeal? From California? I'm not familiar with the newspaper. Do tell?
Is it true that Lincoln wrote to a newspaper regarding the death of Jackson and sent some sort of condolences?
I am not aware of such a letter! A cursory search reveals that Lincoln made no public comment, and also he mentioned Jackson's death in a private letter. But I have not seen such a letter. More research needed.
One thing I hold as true: when we denigrate and disrespect our enemies, we disrespect ourselves and we cheapen our victories. When we are faced with a worthy adversary, there is no shame in being defeated, but overcoming a worthy enemy is all that more honorable. We all want an easy victory, but those things that are truly earned through a difficult and worthy struggle, are all the more precious.
In this regard, with the complete defeat of a worthy foe, perhaps it is well that the Civil War was not won early at Bull Run or at Antietam, but had to be prolonged, as it was, in order to burn out its ultimate cause, slavery, rather than make continuous post-war accommodations to it. Perhaps it was necessary that the South was well and truly defeated after making their best stand so as to prevent a "Stab In The Back" hypothesis from growing as it did in Germany after the inconclusive end of WW 1 in that toothless "Armistice." The "Lost Cause" propaganda was bad enough, but slavery was well and truly dead and there was no reviving it to again fight over it.
The rise of industry in the North and the money-making prospect of the westward expansion was a driving force. The Manifest Destiny belief to move westward was a money maker for those industries which included the railroads. The power of the government turning toward the Republican Party was also a driving factor. Money and political power.
The freeing of slaves was a war move to weaken the Southern economy by taking away their labor. Sherman's Scorched Earth Policy was to finish off the Southern economy so as to conquer the South and not allow them to rebuild to " rise again another day"
@@leezettel596 A rather strange and off-the-topic reply to my post, wouldn't you say? A strange and conspiratorial look at history.
But to address one of your points, I agree that the Southern economy was based on the total exploitation of other human beings including ALL of their Human Rights, besides just their right to be justly paid according to their labor. I also agree (with others) that this was a stupendously great WRONG and against everything I stand for with regard to humanity and Justice and whole rotten edifice very WELL deserved to be destroyed. It was the wealthy in the Slave States that used the power of propaganda (the "Fire-Eater Press**") to make fools and suckers out of the common Southern man and to get him to fight their "Rich Man's War and Poor Man's Fight" while most of the rich slave holders stayed home to make sure their slaves "knew their place." The Southern economy, run for the benefit of the wealthy slavers, was indeed wrecked as was only right and just. The wealthy slavers lost everything or nearly everything and took their region down with them in their stupid decision to protect slavery through the remedy of war. They asked for it and they got it, they sure did. Regarding that "rise again another day" silly "Lost Cause" meme, with the slave gone, the "Slave Economy" was well and truly ended or, for me to put another way, "Gone With The Wind." Rather than "rising again" to destroy the nation, today the South is the source of much of our military and patriotism.
** Consider how even more effective it would have been if they would have had "AM Hate Talk Radio."
If Jackson hadn't died Lee would've won Gettysburg.
If Jeff Davis had allowed Gen. Jackson to cross the Potomac River and capture Washington like he wanted to do, the war would more than likely ended with the Confederacy being the victor.
anyone who (still) has an axe to grind about the US Servile War (1861-1865) would do well to read Keegan's book - as a foreigner with no dog in the fight, he tells it like it is (was) and pulls no punches.
Jackson was a capable commander and talented soldier, BUT he was a bigot serving a morally reprehensible cause, and anyone visiting his SHRINE (yes, it's called that, was not changed until recently) should be asked, "what, specifically, makes his actions so worthy of veneration?"
Why not? He fought for independence in the same manner that was done in the Revolutionary War.
My ancestors served with the 12th North Carolina he was wounded on May 2nd 1863 at the Battle of Chancellorsville and I am proud of my ancestors served under Stonewall Jackson
My great grandfather was in a regiment (107th Ohio) that was overrun by Jackson and his troops at Chancellorsville. Would be interesting to know his view of Jackson.
The Chicago Tribune sure posted a stinging essay. Attacking the Confederacy the general and the writer.
We call them cowards.
A great General, a man for his time,although he was considered a traitor to the United States. Interesting how in the last number of years with the destruction of Confederate and other monuments the old wounds are opened
True southern patriot!
yeah, but since he got taken out by his man. that is called 'stupid' and called 'losing'. a loser dies to his own side's aim.
americans r known for dying to their own friendly fire than any other army in history.
Kind of makes a white man wonder why another white man would dare to enslave a man that shares the same skin tone as that Son of God Jesus.
The blacks wrote the Bible. No whites did. so, it does not make smart sense to enslave the people that share that tone.
besides, only 3% of the Southerners owned black slaves. the other 97% of the white population was piss oor farmers without a chance of ever becoming slave owners themselves. Making the 97% the real slaves in the South.
Losers get killed. winners live long enough to achieve a day off for the rest of the nation.
what day of the year is the day off that honors the stoner? is there is a day given to honor the stoner?
I do thank u for your service. U work so hard, for the shareholders, and U shall never be free of their reign.
May the God, created by the dark skinned racist Judaists that wrote the Bible, help Guide you to the lowest of all gross wages.
No tax cut will ever change your gross wages. again, thank u for choosing to be the slave in this lifetime. AIM High, as the USAF slogan.
and if u see a stoner in a grey uniform. try not to shoot that dude, as he may well be one of your friends.
stoner had no God to save him from his own troops' aim. imagine if they were just bad at aim. stoner might have survived.
Traitorous slave master
The Chicago Trubune sounds like the CNN of its day.
Glad that writing style went away.
Their prophetic assessments, that in future we would revere Jackson today only as a dashing soldier and capable general, and would abhor the cause he fought for, are impressively accurate.
I guess you only heard the last reading.
The north got the right to history because they won. To the victors go the spoils
No. Slavery is evil. Willing to kill in order to keep slavery is evil. Simply because the North won, does not mean that slavery is any less evil.
OK so there is no doubt as to your, Oh never mind.
Hi ! It sounds like the same obituary Donald Trump will have when he dies !🙏🇺🇲✌️
National traitor!
Thank god for his loss to the Confederacy. Can you imagine if he helped the South win the war and slavery still existing today
@@johnstezelecki8157That topic that your foaming at the mouth about.
It still exist, ever heard of "wage slavery"?
And l imagine The Benevolent Tyrant is a deity to you and your ilk!
@@johnstezelecki8157Slavery was already dying a natural death. The changes in perception of slavery and the coming mechanization of farming would have soon killed it naturally. Given later world events I can’t imagine the two countries would have been adversaries.
@@johnstezelecki8157 LOL Slavery would have died off in 20-30 years anyway, just like all the other South American slaveholding countries (Brazil, Cuba, etc.). Did you ever hear of tractors and other farm machinery?
@@T555BIRD Yeah, tractors didn't come into widespread use until the 1920s, but sure.
I have never comprehended reasons for the adulation by some native-born U.S. citizens of the “Confederates”. This writer fears that perhaps the peak amplitude of the U.S.A. has crested and a Dark Age is upon our planet for no place else has been a beacon of freedom as perhaps was (?) this land. Is an Evil spawn gathering again within this land? I am unable to fully communicate the fear that grips me. I do so hope that my vote did not contribute to The End.
😮Dame he died to protect slavery good man but this war was gods war 🙏 he died for what he believed in slavery was wrong like old people you weep what soek 😢❤❤❤❤
and the North didn't have slavery ? or Union Generals that were slave owners ? Delaware , Maryland , Missouri , Kentucky .West Virgina and New Jersey under another name , Union Generals Lockwood , and yes Grant owned a slave his in-laws were slave owners and to top it off Lincoln in laws were slave owners , where did you think he got money to run to be Pres. ? Now go research all i said to you and learn .
I believed always his own men (FRAGED) killed him on purpose!
That's your belief because you're dimwitted.
What have you heard or learned to reach that conclusion? Not criticising you, just interested in what historical information might be out there about this.
@amain325 "None"! You're as daft as that JR numbnut.
read about what actually happened to him, you can read, correct ?
The odd thing is that every single one of those claiming his own men "fragged" him is a paid member of the Flat Earth Society. They are MENTAL GIANTS!
"kind hearted president"? Lincoln? You gotta be kidding me, right?
Manassas VA. here