Alastair Campbell vs Ed Miliband on podcasts, Brexit and bacon sandwiches | British GQ
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- Alastair Campbell and Ed Miliband sit down to discuss the future of the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn, his podcast Reasons to be Cheerful, his brother David Miliband and that bacon sandwich.
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Since he stopped being leader he’s much more likeable. If he did interviews like this before the election while he was leader, relaxed and not programmed by the machine then he might have won. People are fed up with pre-programmed politicians
Definitely - I really like him now. He's a decent sort.
In a roundabout way Ed as admitted this since .When I watched him on the leaders debate he looked like a cheese machine.
Ironically it's the continuation of the kind of media-managed fakery that Campbell presided over which ultimately kept Miliband too much on the leash and probably helped lose the election.
gary seymour It’s the way the media portrayed him, the truth is that most of these guys when out of power are actually decent people.
Zepher Gaming ax a
Always felt Miliband was harshly treated when he was Lab leader. He's far smarter and more competent than people made him out to be.
Jonathan Henly The Press just attacked his father and there was the bacon sandwich photo. Any message Ed had was swamped by this.
Nope, he's still weird. Really weird.
@Jonathan Henly Compared to Corbyn he might be but that's not saying much.
Yeah - if he'd just been himself instead of what the Labour PR machine thought he should have presented himself as he would have won I believe
Imagine if he won in 2015... No brexit, no "strong and stable" etc
"You tell me, it's your spectrum."
Genius
Actually it's really not genius, it's pathetic. He knows very well what the ends of te spectrum are and would have some idea of where he stands compared to other leaders.. He just didn't want to make Corbyn look extreme, so he dodged the question. Or he couldn't think of any intelligent answer .
boliussa You’re a sad person
boliussa correct. Corbyn is extreme and dangerous.
@@FormulaProg rubbish.
@@FormulaProg whats dangerous is killing millions of Iraqis
We need Alistair Campbell vs jeremy corbyn episode
Now that would be interesting.
He was asked but Corbyn refused!
The closest thing we have is Alastair vs John McDonnell
Yes, and Owen Jones v Tony Blair...
I'm shocked at how persuasive and passionate Milliband is here. Where was all this gusto when he needed it?
Mark Eightfourone political advisors
Mark Eightfourone All swamped by the attacks on his father, and the photo of him eating a bacon sandwich.
Mark Eightfourone it's hard to put yourself across in soundbites and now he's not leader he can say what he feels
It's the hallmark of someone who just isn't a leader. Now he doesn't have the enormous responsibility he can be himself. Great leaders can do it despite the responsibility.
Mark Eightfourone he was done in by the media watch Paul Mason!
Ed's too pure for this sinful Earth.
@@chichim2020 is that what it's called when two people want the same job so they both apply for it and one of them gets it?
BrendanBlake42 interesting synonym for soft
@@neilcreasey8430 If one stood aside to give the other one better chances of winning, that would literally be nepotism.
xm3 Ed should have stood aside, his brother was a rising star in British politics and Ed was a backbencher, his brother had a bigger profile, was generally well liked by people from all sides of the house
@@zephergaming4437 his brother is a knob though
You could tell Ed always wanted to be bolder than he felt he was allowed to be.
A very honourable man, who unlike a lot of labour MPs has been engaging in ideas and not just sniping against Corbyn
But fundamentally unelectable
@@robertliddington6927 That is the fault of the electorate who prefer Tory rule to even moderate social democracy.
@@eightiesmusic1984 It’s Corbyn’s fault for being unelectable and the people foisting an unelectable leader on Labour.
@@iangascoigne8231 Not true. If the PLP had backed him and if the media was not right wing ( The Guardian is not left wing despite what many like to think) and if he had not been subjected to the most egregious attacks on a Labour leader ever seen, he would have won in either 2017 or 2019, most definitely in 2017. He was clearly very electable, which is precisely why the attacks on his character and policies was so strong, otherwise he would have been ignored. The establishment did not want to see any change to the status quo.
@@eightiesmusic1984 It is true. It’s always someone else’s fault. The Mantra of the Corbynista. Every time Labour moves further left the lose. It’s 5 or 6 elections now. You would rather lose than have a Labour leader who can win because they don’t pass a particular purity test. The reality is he was a poor leader.
Regardless of political prejudices, it truly can be refreshing to see two people with such experience and perception to discuss things in this way, Ed's a thoroughly decent guy, and despite much of Alastair's past, it's nice to just leave that aside for a minute to look back on things in this kind of way.
I know, whatever we think of any of them, these are the people who did it, they are the only ones with the stories/information so it's important/interesting to hear them talk.
It truly can be refreshing to see two people with such experience and perception to discuss things in this way, especially when they both admit to not liking Piers Morgan.
I’d like to hear what Campbell had to say to a judge in The Hague
Tom Sapwell if it wasn’t for Iraq ; they were on the way to a golden legacy .
@@Jide-bq9yf and afghanistan
Miliband essentially turns the interview on its head and exposes the faultlines of Campbell's arguments. Love him.
It hasn't aged well has it? The 2019 election provided Campbell right and Milliband wrong.
@@zeddeka The election showed again how the media can deconstruct a man at will, handing the Tories power on a plate.
Operation Miliband 1.0
Operation Corbyn 2.0
Why didn't that work against Blair?
@@adrianchan7510 because Blair was part of the media machine
@@LouisCann Isn't it more plausible that Blair was good at dealing with the media, and that is a quality required of any PM?
Ed is an ideas guy. A fantastic asset with brilliant analytics. He just didn’t have a winning persona for today’s electorate. I think he’ll have a greater impact having conversations like this.
100%
If only Ed was more like this in that infamous Paxman interview
paxman is not real
ALTERNATIVE FUTURE: David Cameron never promised a Brexit referendum, Ed Miliband won by a small margin in 2015 because UKIP split the Conservative vote. During his first term, he proved to be a refreshing and smart Prime Minister. We've just had the 2020 General Election and Labour won a comfortable majority.
God I wish
In 2007 Gordon Brown didn't bully potential opponents out of the way on the basis that it was 'his turn'. Ed's brother David (who was keen at the time) becomes leader, calls a slightly earlier election and wins. Cameron gone before 2010, as that's what seems to happen these days
Wow , im so happy and surprised to see how relaxed Ed is . Ive always liked him , always been a passionate Labour supporter but now with the shackles removed hes really cool .
Boris Johnson agrees :D
Christian Tönnies me too . 😊
Milliband has definitely changed, matured (?) since his leadership of the Labour party. Comes across as very thoughtful and balanced now. It seems the stripes of the past has forged him nicely. He should find something big to get involved in going forward... More than a podcast (no offence podcasters)
I feel like all Alastair wants is for someone to agree that they don't like Corbyn with him.
You don't like Corbyn, I get it Alaistair. Its fine.
Tbh I like how he injects his own views into these interviews
atomiclemon77 Lolz ; to be fair Corbyn and his allies detest him and all his stands for too ; that’s got to hurt .
@@Jide-bq9yf and he detests corbyn , McDonnell, momentum and all the anti Semetic thugs and communists that have reduced labour to a toxic, utterly embarrassing party of far left protesters who lose an election by a large margin then celebrate it as a victory by constantly announcing they are ready to serve. News flash jeremy: you have to WIN a majority to serve a government. You lost and lost badly
Benjamin m well said
@@supremeworld87 Campbell clearly likes McDonnell, despite disagreeing with him massively, as their interview shows
We need a 5 year's on anniversary episode!!! @BritishGQ!
I love Ed so much 😭 he comes across so so well here because he's actually given the time to talk. Bless him - Campbell comes across as surprisingly lovely here too
Garax you had me in the first half but Campbell, ew
This interview really showed ed in a great light...fair play to him.
Never thought I'd be sympathetic towards EM, he comes across as deeply princnpled, erudte, witty and quite funny....
Wow. Miliband is surprisingly thoughtful and makes short shrift of Campbells 'win at all costs' worldview.
Interesting debate..
Wow. I just got 15 minutes through this, thought I was a genius because I knew parts of the conversation before they happened BUT OH NO apparently I saw this 9 months ago. I look forward to future me replying to this comment.
That comment hasn't aged well has it. The 2019 election proved Campbell right and Milliband very wrong.
Ed Balls dragged Ed Miliband down on economic reform. Plus being against the referendum hurt him too. Miliband is right though, his economic analysis is on the money.
Get Miliband in the shadow cabinet
Why am I watching this in a Whetherspoos lol
You're probably eating a bacon sandwich and being homophobic.
Poos? Lol
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I eat in Weatherspoon because I like proving Mr. Weatherspoon wrong by being loyal to Tim the billionaire owner who’s teacher said he would never make anything of himself 😀
I think it miraculous what Tim has achieved with all his Weatherspoon . Really something to be proud of serving the poor people living in poverty and suffering from austerity
I'm a conservative... but I have a soft spot for Ed, mainly because most of the media obsessed over his personality rather than focusing on his ideas. I don't agree with his ideas but the way he was treated was really unfair.
These should be put out in podcast form as well
Alastair is spinning so fast he could start a dry cleaning service jesus christ
this comment has SENT ME. WHAT A COMMENT 100/100 right there !! probably the best thing i read today
Omg this has been long time coming!!
Great format. Feels like two blokes sitting in the Westminster Arms on a Wednesday night. I really enjoyed this.
I had no idea that Ed was honest and brilliant.
Ed swearing caught me so off guard 😭😂
I really respect Ed's humility towards Corbyn. Really wish he'd have won in 2015.
39:53 love how they completely dismissed Piers Morgan hahaha
Ewan McFadyen Oh I agree 100% but Piers is still a bit of a knob nonetheless lol
He was sacked for printing a fake/hoax story no different to the 'dodgy dossier' on which we went to war.
goharryflatters ...Not a fan of Piers too, but did his fake story lead to the death of loads of people? Blair and Co make my blood boil still to this day.
Ed is waaay further to the Left on that daft spectrum than where Campbell put him. He may not have felt able to admit it publicly, or brave enough to push policy that reflected his true position, but in truth he’s closer to Jeremy than he is to Gordon.
pgI0897 is he? Is there any evidence on this
pgI0897 Na, it's just that the Sun called him Red Ed.
You pulled that nonsense out of your arse.
pgI0897 I agree, Ed's dad was a socialist & he's said before "I'm a left wing man, forced to be a centerist politician by politics"
Ed was spot on about brexit
Labour should of listened to him on this one
Since Milliband stepped down he seems more confident and free. I think the media were disgusting towards him especially the daily mail
isnt daily mail run by Murdoch
I never agreed with his politics but Miliband sure sounds overall sensible enough in this interview. He actually has some good centrist ideas.
Or just good ideas
Is this Ed's office? It's beautiful.
Is it gorgeous, ofc a smart man like him walks into top jobs like it's nothing. Remember, although he isn't, he could quite easily be a chief exec or boss in a company quite easily at this point.
All these comments about Ed being more likeable now compared to leader fail to recognise how quick we are to judge party leaders and how party leaders have to balance vast coalitions in their party and beyond.
He couldn’t be like this when he was leader. He’d seem lightweight and vague.
Ed's political instincts are far better than al's
I think he would have done a lot better if he had been allowed to be his natural self. As it happened, he was a robot created by political aides who were indoctrinated with Campbells outdated methods
Even though I am a remainer I do think Brexit, if done right (which it won't be), could offer some opportunities.
Expansion of markets is a big one, and more flexibility in terms of government policy. Particularly the wretched 3% of GDP debt ceiling, which caused so much suffering in Greece and Italy.
Any politician worth their salt- the art of politics in gaining support is surely to work with the movement of the time- not to stand full-square against it. Half of these remainers are dinosaurs, they will be swept away.
James Nicholls agreed. Ed was always trying to appease the right and the press. The beauty of Corbyn's Labour is that he doesn't waste his time on them.
The best PM we never had
Ed Miliband is very good here. Frank, funny, passionate, but keeps Campbell at bay.
"Are you not sectarian too though?"
"... Maybe a bit."
Lol.
Really enjoyed this interview, Ed M comes across well....he even identifies this mentioning the constraints of leadership make it difficult for him in 2015.......Campbell comes across as clinging on to Blairism, Ed M seems to realise which way the wind is blowing.......The problem with Blairism is the same one being seen in America: Blair / Clinton are incrementalists, they move in a progressive direction slowly, rather than Bernie / Corbyn who go all in.....For instance, Hilary wanted to increase the minimum wage marginally a step at a time, whereas Bernie said, no let’s go to $15 immediately; similarly Corbyn says abolish all tuition fees, whereas Blairites would really advocate the Tory position of merely freezing them. I think Ed M is stuck now somewhere between the two, and doesn’t have the courage to go all in either way - that’s the Blairite in him still!
one of the good guys
It would interesting for this conversation to be run again now.
Ed is such a good guy! I agree with the analysis: the spread of ideas is crucial for the future of this country.
He was a rubbish opposition leader, but a generally pleasant chap.
I don’t think he was personally. Certainly much better at the dispatch box than most.
@@henridobbs2423 he was undoubtedly better than Jeremy Corbyn but lacked the charisma to lead even the whole Labour
Looks like they're in a teepee
It was Ed's office!
I often wonder if he had a different personality and mannerisms would he have been PM and saved us from all this.
Far too decent, nice and reasonable to have much of a chance in today's political landscape.
Ed's a great bloke 👍
Alistair claims that the hard left in the party have more animosity towards his type of labour politician than they do towards the tories, then he goes on to constantly criticise Corbyn, pushing the possibility of a Labour Government further into the future
I've probably judged miliband harshly before now. Makes a lot of sense on the referendum. Seems to know how to take it on the chin.
wow, I like ed milliband
why is the volume on this so low?
I love this guy !
Amazing interview. Wouldn't it be great if Alastair and Jez would make peace one day.
Impossible. They're ideologically too far apart
Impressive performance from Ed
Sadly, the Labour Party has a very long history of making catastrophic decisions, and Ed Miliband's leadership was one of them. He's clearly a nice man, but clearly the last person on Earth (bar Jeremy Corbyn) to be leading a political party. There's a certain kind of self destructiveness deep in the DNA of Labour. Too many in the party want to feel good about themselves rather than accept they need to get their hands dirty to help the people they claim to care for. It's been absolutely tragic for the country. Ed Milliband was very much the William Hague of the Labour Party. A crazy decision. Like Hague, he was followed by someone even worse and an even crazier choice, Jeremy Corbyn - Labour's Ian Duncan Smith moment.
Well said.
What's you opinion on Starmer then? I do love the way you put JC and IDS as a mirror of each other 😂
Ed has better political judgement than Alistair on Brexit. 20:00
Ed is in touch with his voters who overwhelmingly voted ' leave 'and Alastair doesnt have any voters . Ed speaks sense on Brexit whilst still wishing it wasn't happening ( like me ) he realises the bigger danger of frustrating the will of most people who voted in the Ref who chose to leave the EU . Alastair doesn't really answer Ed's relevant question on ' what if the vote had gone just the other way ? ' I don't think Alastair would be asking for another ref then !
Is it me or does Alastair Campbell kind of resemble Steve Davis these days. Just a bit
These Alistair Campbell GQ videos are great!
Never thought I'd agree with Ed, but the majority of what he said I thought was credible. Especially his analysis on the way to premiership in this country, its sad but true that centralist position is the only electable position now.
*I think most of us would give anything to go back to 2015 and vote Ed in*
Why didn't you vote for him in the first place?
This is more relevant now than ever.
Good interview. Ed’s impact on Lab has been enormous. Without Kinnock, no Blair. Without Ed, no Corbyn…
Sound levels on this video are terrible. Can you invest in a better microphones? Content is excellent though👍
How much the Labour Party wish they had Ed as leader now!
No thanks! We have someone who will not be bullied into policies he doesn't believe in
@@user-gn7kg7yy2z *sad trombone*
He will go down in history as good man and an excellent politician. He should be very proud.
Bring back edd he'll have my vote
I don't understand why Ed doesn't ever bring up his podcast
Ed should be on the front bench - why is he not?
Probably considered too metropolitan elitist.....
He seems to quite strongly imply in this interested in being a shadow minister/minister
@@woolcottable Hm. Fitzrovia.
He is now 😀
The things about manifesto being fully costed is that it was costed if the economy is going really great. Which it won't with Brexit.
Which do you prefer Mr campbell. The Gallows or the Electric Chair?
Jeremy's in the lobbies voting against the Iraq war...stick that on your spectrum
I love this series.
I wish Ed had become PM
Based on this, Miliband is quite likeable and credible.
I can just imagine Ed Milliband saying "More cheese Gromit!"
36:15 what a great story
The good Miliband brother.
AKAHeroes What was wrong with David? I’m genuinely interested!
@@jackjohnston8497 néolibéral shill.
Can you imagine if he won? More action on climate change, income inequality etc etc etc. No disastrous exit from the EU but instead finding solutions to the problems that led people to vote for it.
Corbyn wants to reopen the Coal-mines. I don't think that amounts to action on climate change
Qahir Makhani Does he?
You mean Ross Perot there Ed. Cheers from North Carolina.
I wish Ed was the PM right now :(
2015: man, this Ed guy is such a rubbish person and would make a horrible PM
2016: *corbyn has entered the chat*
2018: aye this miliband geeza isn’t that bad actually
2019: Trying to create a tunnel to the Miliverse because it's clear we are in the Darkest Timeline.
Love this interview, even after a few years 😊
A much more open, honest and intelligent interview than the one with Blair.
Ed has definitely changed since he was working for Brown. I remember reading about him in "end of the party" crashing into number 10 and shouting that Tony had to go in 2004
Unless you get approval ratings from the media. You are going to have difficult rise too the top in party politics.
The part where Campbell said he felt John Mcdonnell detested the likes of him more than the tories , so Cambell and the Blarirites prefer Corbyn and Mcdonnell to the tories ,what's his point he's lost me.
If only you'd stood up for these values in the general election instead of being bullied into an austerity lite manifesto. Still, the country would have been in a much healthier state if he had have won.
He has got to be the leader of the party he is human intelligent and has ideas, he’s about the best we could ask for, need to take a look at him again
Used to hate him and still don’t agree with his politics but look how much more likeable a politician can be when they just speak normally and not like they’ve been coached on every single paused and scripted every line.
How have you never watched the West Wing Alastair?? I'll send you my box set of it.
Campbell seems obsessed with Corbyn. He makes every single interview about him.
Campbell isn't interested in content, only in games and making people say things that suit him. Pretty dreadful character.
yeah, I get the feeling he feels you can still be winning even if you lie and cheat.
Narrator at 17:50: It didn't happen.
I’ll only respect Alastair when he starts interviewing people he hates, like Johnson or Farage.
He would have made a fantastic PM. Alas, he didn't appear as himself, most likely due to media bias combined with a lack of confidence. He has a better combination of competence and passion than Starmer.