@@mrk131324 I think it was just a joke, as in most people don't know much about audio and just use regular mp3 files most of the time, therefore flac feels exclusive and "audiophilic".
In all honesty. I kinda get the first guy. Retired, holds a passion for music, has thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Why not spend your free time to improve upon this....the second guy is just nuts
yeah I feel like the lawyer dude just wants to be good at something, like all the old guys who get really into golf after they retire. I fear the second man might actually have some mental problems though, not buying new clothes in 15 years? that's not healthy
@@samcavanagh7993 I don't agree with your conclusions. I think that both are equally healthy/unhealthy in their pursuit of music perfection. What I could interpret from the video they never mentioned the second mans profession. A lawyer earns quite a lot of money and no numbers were presented on how much the lawyer had spent on his speakers whereas there was no information about the second mans salary/income and only about how much he spent. There is nothing wrong with prioritizing his music equipment over apartment space if that's what you want to do. I don't see how taking good care of your garments and having a passion is unhealthy?
I think there are 2 categories of audiophile: the first listen to classical music and want to exactly audibly recreate the recording in sound stage, tone etc. The second are more interested in the presentation, for example very fast planar panels, multiple massive woofers that extend below 20hz flat, the experience is about feeling and enjoying the music delivery more than the actual song itself. They dont care if the top end rolls off a bit to make 140dB music levels more comfortable. I love to listen to DSDs at night, but during the day it's more about cranking it up and laughing at the washing up falling off the sink.
@@samcavanagh7993 Thats just how some peoples relationships are with clothes. They didnt look worn out at all. I have an older friend who has been wearing the same 2 sweatpants and 2 highschool tshirts for nearly 40 years, well, since he left highschool. He just washes them nearly every day.
As an audio professional, who does sound in Television, we look as these types as freaks. If anything we'd feel sorry for them... well superior and sorry for them.
Was going to say this. Speakers, amps, cartridges, cables etc...dont mean a thing if you cant hear them properly. Guy spends 100k on a system with endless reflections in the room. Has no idea what those speakers really sound like
I love that they threw in the shot at 1:20 where the guy looks like he's about to pass out for some reason. Like this guy is living on the brink of death in his tiny apartment.
I've travelled down the audiophile path. When you first make the decision to get audiophile headphones and equipment it's absolutely mindblowing listening to your favourite albums, it's like you're hearing them for the first time all over again such is the difference in quality. You hear things you've never heard before, putting a completely different spin on interpreting and enjoying the music. When you first make the leap you'll marvel at the fact that you can close your eyes and feel like the lead singer is singing right in front of you live (like they're singing into your ear), you can actually hear where the different musicians are 'on stage' and it's like you're at a little mini concert just for yourself. That might sound exaggerated however it's one-hundred percent true, listening is believing. However if you're not careful you can fast forward a few years and find yourself with maxed-out credit cards, no personal life and a house designed entirely around the movement and reverberation of air. Your life has become about fretting about the exact placement of a component because of some esoteric pseudoscience that says if your balanced cables touch the floor at any point, clarity will be attenuated 0.00000000001 percent and you'll lose a touch of your midrange. You'll be spending £2000 on special, magical pagan cultist cables blessed by Reznor, the audiophile god that have gold wiring wrapped in platinum threads and coated in a patented diamond spray that ensures excellent low-end performance without compromising on the mids and highs. You'll also have £50,000 Sennheiser HE-1 electrostatic headphones and £250,000 speakers AND bailiffs chasing you down for the unpaid balances on the 234 different credit cards, overdrafts and loans you're struggling to repay. You won't have a wife, girlfriend or children because that flesh will dampen the way the sound waves reach your ears. Most importantly, however, is the realisation that you no longer actually LIKE music anymore because all you hear is the 'flaws' in your rig. Instead of sitting back and enjoying The Downward Spiral or Dark Side of The Moon you'll be fiddling with knobs and EQ settings, whilst slightly adjusting the placement of your adamantium woofer. I beg you, IF you decide to experiment with audiophile grade sound equipment/hi-fi's PLEASE DON'T PROGRESS INTO THE LATTER! You'll turn into a hi-fi cultist who hates music (which is exactly the opposite of why you got into audiophile equipment to begin with). This has been a public safety announcement.
I deeply appreciate this person's post. We need to turn away from these materialistic entrapments. Music is the most beautiful language we've heard, but there is even greater beauty in turning from these "idols" and living in Christ. As the preacher says, repent of sin, believe in and follow Jesus Christ and obey the will of the Heavenly Father.
I once sold a denon audiophile turntable here in the states via craigslist a few years ago (before c-list became a cesspool). This guy came with his wife from 2 states over. Had her sit in the backseat and put the turntable on the front seat, laying in memory foar, seat belted. Put a strap around the turntable and the wife in the back seat was on tug duty in case of quickstops. 😂😂😂 That's love. These guys are the best folks to sell too. They will overpay and they are in it to win it.
This man has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on audio equipment, lives in a 250 square foot apartment, hasn't bought clothes in 15 years, and still he manages to get a girlfriend and I can't. I'm clearly doing something very wrong.
or maybe he's right in hos way, nothing wrong- our point of view is different. for sure there are more comfortable livingrooms than his house, even if he says is fine, there's a point when he loses the chance to get a better space, to enjoy better his audio system (and so, this is one of the issues you talk about, I agree)
same reasons people listen to music normally. the difference is just the hypersensitivity and focus to the point they are not even listening to the music as music anymore.
Right on with the isolated power transformer. Audiophile rule of thumb #1 *NEVER SHARE YOUR ELECTRONS!!!* Last time I shared audio electrons with the neighbor's toaster, my tweeters got yeast infections....
Actually this is something that is totally true about electricity, there are all kinds of voltage and amperage fluctuations as well as noise from digital electronics or things like blenders, that feedback noise in different harmonic frequencies back into the grid, not to even mention EMI and RFI. I have personally used something called a noise sniffer that amplifies noise from various outlets. I would say it is akin to drinking unfiltered water that is being fed from sewage. I have used line conditioning products and actually used to be an audiophile dealer. Trust me your incoming AC is one of the biggest culprits for bad sound. listen at midnight on a Sunday and hear how much better your stuff will sound.
Zach, I do agree. There is a lot of noise in AC power. Especially nowadays with everything having a switch mode power supply. TRIAC dimmers as well as inverters in modern appliances (microwaves and washers with brushless motors). It all makes for very energy efficient appliances, but they really put out the noise. The guy actually did the right thing with the separate pole transformer based on his budget availability and dedication to his hobby of interest.
Actually I'm an audiophile. Because I care about sound quality, I don't listen mp3 or music from TH-cam on logitech speakers. But at the same time I don't have fancy power cables or other ridiculous stuff.
Great comment as audio enthusiasts need only spend a couple of hundred dollars on a dedicated power-conditioner such as those made by the Furman company and hear a noticeable improvement in sound clarity instantly, as well as both benefit with electrical surge protection and greater longevity for the components. A win-win-win !
If you're spending it on an Ortofon, Shure or Stanton then; Yes. Otherwise you probably did your research and end up with a decent cart for the money. Tip; Nagaoka MP110
Hundreds of thousands of dollars is not necessary to pursue high end audio. If you are willing settle for preowned equipment, you can enter the high end arena for far less. However, you must be a music lover and want to hear music reproduced accurately.
Also, it's all a matter of matching. You CAN actually outperform a 50.000 dollar rig with a 2500 dollar one, when done right. Obviously, a 50k rig done right... well, that's another story ;).
Not to mention all the interference caused by having your own power box and source. That's a flawed logic. It's definitely not gonna make the audio better.
I do know real serious audio guys put their audio equipment on a separate group in their breaker panel. Apparently that does make a bit of a difference. Well in lab-tests at least.
Well, is it really any more crazy than spending 500k on a monet painting and just sticking it on a wall lol. Get joy where you get joy from. Period lol.
Paintings are beautiful to look at, but a £3 poster copy will achieve the majority of that. 500k+ for one painting to look at...or spend the same on an insane setup and all the music ever made 🤔 Everyone had their tastes, but expensive art is a scam 🤷♂️
The analogy would work if you decided to live in a tiny apartment and stop buying new clothes in order to save up for new works of art to hang on your wall.
Everyone has their own personal ideas on how things work, but in reality and research, results are proven. For instance, the AC that feeds all of his audio gear is changed inside each individual piece to DC, or "direct current," through a thing called rectification. This is then sent too some large filter capacitors (hum and noise removal) then out to the rest of the circuitry. The AC is completely changed to DC and filtered internally in each unit. This is common with most electronic items in your house. If you think the noise will get through that filtering system, your ears are better than most pieces of test equipment that can see and hear well beyond what our analog ear drums can. If you think the noise from your power source (AC line to pole) is bad, you should see what the switch mode power supply in most all modern audio equipment produces. This hash and noise is also filtered out with capacitors and inductors (also known as reactors) internally in each unit. Once the magic is removed, things are pretty straight forward..... Some want to hold on to that magic, and I respect that! Take care.
Mr Carlson's Lab new audiophile here. I listen to headphones, when I first got my nice dac and amp i plugged to into the same strip as my pc. Later on while i was listening i heard this hum, like a neighbor had a vaccum cleaner on. I was convinced it was them and when i took off my headphones it was just coincedence they were shutting off the vaccum cleaner. Turns out it was actually a ground loop being created between my pc and the amp. I plugged the amp into another outlit, and now havent had the problem sense. Idk what 'science' you are reading but not everything in audio is converted to dc, and you can put yourself in scenarios where you hear distortion from your power source.
Mr Carlson's Lab you're forgetting about ground isolation - while noise over the transmission line is taken care of by ac->dc rectification, the noisy ground (which is not filtered) is tied neutral and bypasses rectification because its tied to the chassis.
Exactly--my EE professor was explaining how a rectifier works, with diodes (they pass electricity in only one direction) and capacitors (they store and smooth out the current). None of your electronics run on AC--all of them run on DC.
I applaud both these gentlemen. I share their passion. I'm retired and aside from my audiophile hobby my life is rather mundane. Divorced, never hear from my children and most of my family has passed. Music is a lover that never leaves. Looking forward to the next stereo purchase gives one a sense of purpose. One side note. They both need to improve their room acoustics.
@@Ljosi I was joking. There are many reasons why marriages break up. It sometimes take years and sometimes it take a few months. Relationships are complicated. My music helps to make the days more pleasant. A few beers helps too.
I have learned to use the rotation of the Earth to play my records and the orbit of our earth around the Sun to play my Albums. The sound is simply superb.
If he was a real audiophile he would've bought or built a small house with a dedicated room free of electrical interference and outside noise. Instead of spends $100k on speakers and rents a tinyass apartment. Wtf is this guy smoking
wheels turn I would imagine the AC is off during critical listening. Yes, it is an affliction, like other hobbies especially car customisation, wine/art collecting etc.
You know, if you makes you happy and you are not asking anyone for anything...fine by me. These guys clearly worked hard, saved money, and live day to day being happy with their audio gear. Hell, I bet if you go out to Hollywood and find some of these so called "A List" actresses out there you will find then with 75 purses that average $900 each and 50 simple strap high heals at $450 a pair. Hell I would rather have, and be much happier with, $95,000 of high end stereo than those purses and shoes, but most don't call that fanatical. Many envy that purse and shoe collection. Not to mention, a vast majority of this high end stuff does not lose much in value. They can enjoy this stuff for 15 years and sell it for close if not more than they paid for it. I guess some fanatical stuff is just more accepted than others because clothes and shoes probably have many more fanatics then high end audiophiles lol.
Having money doesn't mean you worked hard for it. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Most people working for minimum wage work their asses off, while most rich people sit on their asses while the numbers in their accounts climb.
***** That is such a ideological way of thinking. A good majority of wealthy people did not just walk down the street and one day find a huge pile of money sitting in a suitcase. A huge number of them are wealthy because they took risk and that most people are not willing to take. They were willing to bet all they had on a idea and sacrifice whatever they had to see it through. I work in the financial service industry and I have a extremely successful practice now. Making more money than I ever did. ...but when I left a stable job to take this chance of starting my own business no one was there or complaining when things weren't going well, when my $250/ month car go repoed, when my $125k house went into forclosure and I had to sell, when my lights were shut off for 3 days because I couldn't pay the bill. When I pawne stuff to eat. I've owned my own business and I have worked at Hardees, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers, The Buckle, etc so I've been on both ends. Trust me, that minimum wage stuff was 1000% easier than running your own business. People like you only look at the a person like that when the success hits and then says...oh they don't work hard they just sit on their money? My brother is becoming a pretty successful actor in Hollywood. You would probably say he is lucky and on easy street. Yet, where were you when for 3 years he was living in a hell hole with 7 people? Got bitten by rats 3 times in his bed? After so much time and working for years he didn't even have $1.50 in his bank account to rent his own first movie out of the redbox when it came out...but now if you see him driving in new benz you say...he didn't work hard. He just sits on his money? They day you give up and sell everything you own and pursue a dream that has no hourly wage, no set pay, and no benefits and even after you sacrifice all there is HUGE change of failure...then you come back let's talk about working hard.
I'm talking about physical labor for a low wage. Devoting 80 hours a week to work as some people are forced to do for whatever reason. Not working for the damn Yum corporation. I'm also not talking about being poor while trying to start your own business. So why are you telling me about your financial struggles? You can be dirt poor and not work at all. Just because your car got repossessed, you lost your house, ect doesn't mean you were working hard. Maybe you were, but it is insignificant in relation to what I am talking about. I also did not say people just stumble on money. The point is, in general, the higher paying the job, the more desirable the position is, the more freedom you have, the more money you save, the more money you invest, the more money you accrue. Probably shouldn't have said minimum wage, as you assumed I was talking about people who flip burgers, go home, smoke an 1/8 and play video games online.
***** Simply put...you are telling me your comment didn't imply that wealthier people don't work as hard as others? Or were you saying something totally different that I didn't get? My impression is when I said these guys worked hard for their money so enjoy it how they like... your response seemed to simply state they don't work hard. That their money just works for them. Well, where do you think THAT money came from in the first place?
I'm not talking about people in your class or my class. My original comment was about people who blow $100,000 on speakers. Anyone with any sanity whatsoever would not do that with money they worked hard for. Move on.
I would love to see the results of a hearing test on these two. Statistically, they are paying big money to reproduce frequencies that they haven't been able to hear in years.
High fequencies indirectly cause interference, and resonance in your body that you can feel... Not to mention natural harmonic that you may be able to measure... The room is like a cello or drum and the speakers contain drivers. You are like anti science compared to this guy.
They could be gifted in their sense of hearing, like some athletes/chefs/musician who has a little bit more or a little bit better ability(like can taste more,or identify more) . Or so tuned to certain kind of sounds/vibrations.
@Olaf Willocx Isn't the problem with small room and deep bass that it is very uneven due to cancellations etc. Might be there, but not properly reproduced.
I am electrical engineer and have great passion about audio sounds and high fidelity (20+ years of exp). I would say these extremes are just pure BS. However, if this makes you happy, by all means go ahead, but there is no scientific advantage of having your own utility pole or buying $800 cable, basically you can have a super great home theater (Audio) setup just by spending $4000-$5000, anything above that is just placebo effect and falls under diminishing return theory.
I was thinking the same thing. That power pole is still connected right to the other power pole he would originally get power from. I feel like if he wanted "better power", a power conditioner and battery back ups would help level out any variations.
I don't understand how people who would spend these hundreds of thousands on audio equipment and powerlines wouldn't have even the most basic acoustic treatment. That second guy had 200k+ spent on equipment and is probably getting insane resonances in that basement apartment.
True. I think acoustic treatment is number one or two. Speakers are important too, the source of course, amlpifiers, then perhaps (analogue) cables, and the power supply (mains) is not an issue at all, unless your equipment has terrible filters to clean up the mains.
This is just super counter productive. The second guy spent such a huge amount of money on those gigantic speakers that barely fit the room... I bet that in the end the space limitations and acoustic of the room will ruin the listening experience. He would be better off with a much smaller (and cheaper) set.
I had audible interference on the electric line I plug my guitar amps into. It was pretty darn noticeable. So I bought a power conditioner on Amazon for like $60. Problem solved. Maybe I should have bought my own utility company?
@@reginaldjean-louis6103 I bought this- amzn.to/3rTNTWQ . It did this - ELIMINATES RFI AND EMI: The built in ac noise filters get rid of unwanted radio frequency (RFI) and electromagnetic interference (EMI) to improve the stability of the equipment and prolong the service life of your electronics at home or office.
@@scottbmcqueen computer UPS outputs crude imitation of sine wave - a few square waves superimposed on each other. A lot of equipment would not even work properly and even comes with labels - not to be used with such UPSs. You want a UPS - spend a few thousand on active double conversion UPS.
If Dennis Folly from Acoustic Fields has taught me anything, there is such a thing as 'too' big for a small room/car. Audio needs time to mature to blend with itself, and sound its best. Small apartment? 4' floor tower speakers would be plenty, if not still overkill.
phantasm1004 Disagree. Bigger speakers can handle bigger bass. Useful if you don't have room for a sub, or for some reason don't want a tacky sub in your room, and other aesthetic reasons. That said, this does not apply here lol those speakers are the most self indulgent audio wankery I have seen. I don't even know how it could fit through a conventional door.
When I went to Japan, I took a Airbnb for a couple of days, and the hosts were a retired couple. They had the craziest sound setup I ever saw in my life, even better than the ones we see in this video, and I'm not kidding, I would post pictures of it but it's a TH-cam comment.. I had obviously no idea about that when arriving to the house, and as an audiophile myself, seeing such a dream-like system was mind-blowing. Sadly with the language barrier we couldn't exchange much on any of the technical aspects, but the wife served us some hand made tea and the husband played some of his favorite songs for us. It was such an awesome experience, I could close my eyes and feel all the instruments.
As an audio expert who has worked in the field for decades I'd like to point out that the industry is teeming with snake oil and that under scientifically controlled conditions claims that one's source of electricity matters are shown to be baloney.
I remember there was a story about audiophiles using copper coat hangers as aux wire to see if there was a difference from some monster cables and they said they could hear a difference.
That's why I didn't really research it... haven't spend more than $50 for a vintage Technics turntable and a Fisher amplifier from the '80s. Both working great with my LG speakers from 2004... I just wanna listen to my records in decent quality, not winning audiophile competitions.
i have a friend in Japan just like these guys. I had a chance to sit down and listen to it once. I cannot recall ever hearing that quality of sound before. it was as spiritual experience.
Of course all of this totally negated by sitting a turntable, which is a vibration sensitive electromechanical device, a few feet in front of speakers fitted with 15" bass drivers. But I'm sure his $1500 IEC mains lead sounds amazing!! 🙄
After illnesses, marriage breakdown, relationship breakdown, job losses I find myself in complete agreement with these gentlemen. My LP , CD , Blu Ray and DVD collection still fill me with joy and pleasure and not to mention wonderment ( where did Abbey Road come from ? A wonderful piece of art ) All those other things come and go but a music collection and beautiful technology to play them on are simply unsurpassable. God bless you gentlemen. You have a kindred spirit in Australia
wondering ho the 80+ man can hear all the "pure audio quality" when his ears have been aging and "low-passing" like everyone else's. audiophilia is a bad sickness
Probably he protects his ears (like I do mine) from loud noises and trashy loud music, so his ears are probably in better shape than most 20 year olds these days.
DEADMEMES, So please tell the world your secret. How did you transport yourself into his body and brain to be able to hear what he hears. This is truly a breakthrough. Science is waiting for your reply. We must know so that we can do the same oh great one. I bow to your greatness.
thekretch, Get off your high horse. The man is 80. If you type a few words into google you'd find that old age is tied to hearing loss. Our hair cells in our ear do not repair or regrow and are easily damaged over time.
The bigger the speaker is, clearer the sound is. That's basic. Big speakers sounds awesome at low volume, very comfortable to listen. If wasn't, then big speakers such as loudspeakers would have obsolete.
@@aayazahmed5389 I'm sorry, but that's not really how it works, big speakers can produce lower frequencies more easily : they can move more air. You can find good speakers at any size.
I feel sorry for that second guy's neighbors. And the speakers should match the size and design of the room. His speakers are way too big for his apartment, considering how far he sits from them.
If he switched to CD the noise level and quality would be way better than from his Vinyls. Also: 99.9% of all music in the past 20 years is being produced digitally. Pressing the master on a vinyl does not make the quality better, it makes it worse.
Worse by reducing dynamic range (groove cannot be cut with full dynamic range for mechanical reasons); increasing noise floor (crackles, rumble); waveform distorted by warping of vinyl; inconsistent playback speed (wow and flutter); adding huge amounts of harmonic distortion; generational loss of detail from master to cutter to molding machine to molded groove to stylus (4 generations of analog copying with loss); microphony of turntable picks up speaker output resulting in feedback contamination; sound quality and channel balance varies with tracking angle (inner tracks are more distorted); outer tracks have higher quality than inner tracks due to edge of record travelling at higher speed than inner; groove wears mechanically and sound deteriorates a little with every play. Just off the top of my head: there are probably more problems I haven't listed.
For someone who doesn't know this was a 2ch material -PureAudio- back in 2007. And it is an exact same discussion about a digital audio cable or a memory card effects an audio file or an image file... The list of Electric companies and sounds effects are: Company Pros Cons Grade TEPCO Balanced Slow response C Chuden Bass-boost Loud A+ KEPCO clear-High DensityLow B Rikuden Wet BassWeak B+ ... Power plant should be in 5 km radius, otherwise noise level increases...
See and the interesting thing is if the first guy (very simply mind you) could have rectified AC to DC and then Back to AC again he would get purer electricity than being on a separate grid for a significantly lower cost
it doesn't matter what hobby you get into you always find a sizeable fringe of people who take it to the wild extreme. They always have to have the most expensive Kevlar, fan braced, oxygen-free, einsteinium coated, gizmo available. Marketing people love them!
there are times when music grabs me so intensely my family looks at me like I am crazy, and indeed, in those moments, I am completely in my own high intensity world.
@@blackstarnevershines Can you say for sure? Why wouldn't he just use those words instead? Also, the noise/hum of most recordings will be louder than the noise floor of any of your equipment, especially on vinyl that has been played more than 0 times. Grounding doesn't require that you buy any of the gimmicks that he owns, just a grounded outlet will suffice...
To get clean AC power all that is required is to use a Balanced Power Isolation Transformer which costs about US $2,000, probably an order of magnitude cheaper than a dedicated "power pole". The pole actually has nothing to do with it, the difference was a dedicated step-down transformer. Just as an ordinary matter in the way power is distributed to my house (underground line)I have my own dedicated step-down transformer. Before remodeling I shared a transformer with my neighbor's house. When I remodeled and upped my system to 500 Amperes capacity the utility installed a transformer for my residence only. I also use a BPIT in my studio which feeds all audio equipment, both digital and analog.
the guy with the tiny apartment and massive speakers isn't an audiophile he's a horder with expensive taste.. massive speakers in a tiny packed room will never sound good, he'd be much better off with cheaper speakers and a bigger properly set up space or with a nice pair of headphones and a good source
GRiMOSAUR That's why good cutting engineers didn't cut to close to the center. That's why up to 1966 most bands limited their albums to 15 per side. And in the 70's, 20 minute per side. It only becomes a problem once the record has been cut to far in.
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq Fun fact: Thomas Edison originally intended to use discs for his music format, but because of that, he decided to stick to cylinders as the speed will always remain consistent due to cylinders having a uniform shape throughout... Unfortunately for him, the audio at the time was already awful to begin with, so the quality drop didn't even matter, which led to the creation of his competition, the 78rpm shellac record. (Info from YT channel Technology Connections)
I’ve taken this route. I used to be addicted to a sound perfection. Buying extremely expensive gear, exchanging it all the time, listening to the sound instead of music. It’s very toxic. I really undestand those people but i also know that in the end it will drive you mad as there’s no such thing like a perfect soundsystem....i’m very happy i’ve given up this sh.....
Nap-0 If you clean your vinyl and have a decent setup, you don’t hear any unwanted noise at all. Sounds like you’ve never interacted with a turntable in your life?
After illnesses, marriage breakdown, relationship breakdown, losing jobs etc etc I am so much in agreement with these gentlemen. My LP , cd , blu ray and DVD collections
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How I feel when I download an album in flac format
Free like OJ all Day And then what? The file alone will not do you any good.
i still don’t know why people use flac rather than aiff
neaumusic AIFF is proprietary to Apple and not superior.
@@mrk131324 I think it was just a joke, as in most people don't know much about audio and just use regular mp3 files most of the time, therefore flac feels exclusive and "audiophilic".
@@mrk131324 I'm late but that's the joke
In all honesty. I kinda get the first guy. Retired, holds a passion for music, has thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Why not spend your free time to improve upon this....the second guy is just nuts
yeah I feel like the lawyer dude just wants to be good at something, like all the old guys who get really into golf after they retire. I fear the second man might actually have some mental problems though, not buying new clothes in 15 years? that's not healthy
@@samcavanagh7993 I don't agree with your conclusions. I think that both are equally healthy/unhealthy in their pursuit of music perfection. What I could interpret from the video they never mentioned the second mans profession. A lawyer earns quite a lot of money and no numbers were presented on how much the lawyer had spent on his speakers whereas there was no information about the second mans salary/income and only about how much he spent. There is nothing wrong with prioritizing his music equipment over apartment space if that's what you want to do. I don't see how taking good care of your garments and having a passion is unhealthy?
I have never picked up an instrument, granted my system isn't worth $100,000 but it is worth about $20,000+. What wrong with that?
I think there are 2 categories of audiophile: the first listen to classical music and want to exactly audibly recreate the recording in sound stage, tone etc. The second are more interested in the presentation, for example very fast planar panels, multiple massive woofers that extend below 20hz flat, the experience is about feeling and enjoying the music delivery more than the actual song itself. They dont care if the top end rolls off a bit to make 140dB music levels more comfortable. I love to listen to DSDs at night, but during the day it's more about cranking it up and laughing at the washing up falling off the sink.
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Thats just how some peoples relationships are with clothes. They didnt look worn out at all. I have an older friend who has been wearing the same 2 sweatpants and 2 highschool tshirts for nearly 40 years, well, since he left highschool. He just washes them nearly every day.
Still too low-end. I built my own nuclear reactor to get the cleanest power possible.
Too low end. Should have used solar panels and run it all with DC.
Thats still too low fi... I just kidnap a band to play for me whenever I want to hear an album..
Still no good, probably next week I'm importing my own sun.
@@FilipeDGuedes Solar panels lol. It got to be batteries mate, with half a farrad of capacitors to back it up
@@sandergjertsenstvold1051 the energy for the batteries has to come from somewhere
Imagine how under pressure the sound technician must have felt recording this
Boooooooo
As an audio professional, who does sound in Television, we look as these types as freaks.
If anything we'd feel sorry for them... well superior and sorry for them.
Yea, he must have been PUSHING DOWN his urge to say “yea, I listen to Spotify”
haha audio recorder goes 10101110011110011
it's been "turn it up, turn on the compressors, saturate and remember: dynamics are for pussies" for decades now.
That's it? I would have watched an hour documentary about these dudes.
@@shooting4star2023 maybe they could go back for a second in depth interview.
Me too. I would watch everything about these guys, they know what they like and arent afraid to make it happen.
You’re right. It was getting very interesting 🧐
10 hours for me.
Yeah I love watching documentaries about the mentally ill
*"The 82 year old retired lawyer"* yep, this guy can do anything he wants.
A lawyer gets to St. Peter at the gates of heaven. 'Whoa! age 146!' The lawyer 'I am 74!' St.Peter 'Not if i count the hours you have invoiced'
He deserves it
@Pro Tengu lawyers are people who uphold justice or break it down. With how much they study and practice, they deserve it
@Pro Tengu
And how in the world are you supposed to measure how "good" people are?
@Pro Tengu
And how do you know what people are thinking?
when will audiophiles finally understand that acoustic treatment of your room is at least equally important as the speakers themselves
Yes totally. The room is even more important imo
They would if it was made from unobtainium and encrusted with gold and jewels and cost absolute fortune -bragging rights.
There is no end to this addiction.
Was going to say this. Speakers, amps, cartridges, cables etc...dont mean a thing if you cant hear them properly. Guy spends 100k on a system with endless reflections in the room. Has no idea what those speakers really sound like
Just thought the same 😅.
I love that they threw in the shot at 1:20 where the guy looks like he's about to pass out for some reason. Like this guy is living on the brink of death in his tiny apartment.
hahaha I didn't notice that. It's hilarious.
Yeah I replayed that part to see if I saw it correctly the first time. He looked miserable
Hahaha I couldn't stop laughing after reading your comment.
"...a small price to pay..."
😂😂💀
I've travelled down the audiophile path. When you first make the decision to get audiophile headphones and equipment it's absolutely mindblowing listening to your favourite albums, it's like you're hearing them for the first time all over again such is the difference in quality. You hear things you've never heard before, putting a completely different spin on interpreting and enjoying the music. When you first make the leap you'll marvel at the fact that you can close your eyes and feel like the lead singer is singing right in front of you live (like they're singing into your ear), you can actually hear where the different musicians are 'on stage' and it's like you're at a little mini concert just for yourself. That might sound exaggerated however it's one-hundred percent true, listening is believing.
However if you're not careful you can fast forward a few years and find yourself with maxed-out credit cards, no personal life and a house designed entirely around the movement and reverberation of air. Your life has become about fretting about the exact placement of a component because of some esoteric pseudoscience that says if your balanced cables touch the floor at any point, clarity will be attenuated 0.00000000001 percent and you'll lose a touch of your midrange. You'll be spending £2000 on special, magical pagan cultist cables blessed by Reznor, the audiophile god that have gold wiring wrapped in platinum threads and coated in a patented diamond spray that ensures excellent low-end performance without compromising on the mids and highs. You'll also have £50,000 Sennheiser HE-1 electrostatic headphones and £250,000 speakers AND bailiffs chasing you down for the unpaid balances on the 234 different credit cards, overdrafts and loans you're struggling to repay.
You won't have a wife, girlfriend or children because that flesh will dampen the way the sound waves reach your ears.
Most importantly, however, is the realisation that you no longer actually LIKE music anymore because all you hear is the 'flaws' in your rig. Instead of sitting back and enjoying The Downward Spiral or Dark Side of The Moon you'll be fiddling with knobs and EQ settings, whilst slightly adjusting the placement of your adamantium woofer.
I beg you, IF you decide to experiment with audiophile grade sound equipment/hi-fi's PLEASE DON'T PROGRESS INTO THE LATTER! You'll turn into a hi-fi cultist who hates music (which is exactly the opposite of why you got into audiophile equipment to begin with).
This has been a public safety announcement.
Ever heard of a term called "moderation"?
@@sanchitbhansali audiophiles and moderation in the same breathe... too funny.
I thoroughly enjoyed this 🤣
I deeply appreciate this person's post. We need to turn away from these materialistic entrapments. Music is the most beautiful language we've heard, but there is even greater beauty in turning from these "idols" and living in Christ. As the preacher says, repent of sin, believe in and follow Jesus Christ and obey the will of the Heavenly Father.
@@barney6888 I hate low res music.
I don't know whats more shocking……that the 2nd guy paid $100 grand for his speakers, or that he has a girlfriend
girlfriends are a dime a dozen,those speakers are not. :)
Well. If he can spend so much. It is probably the reason why he has a girlfriend.
I once sold a denon audiophile turntable here in the states via craigslist a few years ago (before c-list became a cesspool). This guy came with his wife from 2 states over. Had her sit in the backseat and put the turntable on the front seat, laying in memory foar, seat belted. Put a strap around the turntable and the wife in the back seat was on tug duty in case of quickstops. 😂😂😂 That's love. These guys are the best folks to sell too. They will overpay and they are in it to win it.
How is it surprising he has a girlfriend with that kind of money?
easily that he has a girlfriend. I'm honestly not at all surprised about the lengths these audiophiles go to.
This man has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on audio equipment, lives in a 250 square foot apartment, hasn't bought clothes in 15 years, and still he manages to get a girlfriend and I can't. I'm clearly doing something very wrong.
Clearly the women are attracted to his massive speakers.
Well, did you see his girlfriend?
or maybe he's right in hos way, nothing wrong- our point of view is different.
for sure there are more comfortable livingrooms than his house, even if he says is fine, there's a point when he loses the chance to get a better space, to enjoy better his audio system (and so, this is one of the issues you talk about, I agree)
japan ladies are more tolerate upon technology or maybe she is also into audio and they make over on subwoofer with nice vibrations haha
@@soulfulfool subwoofer
This is way too short. I want more details on how these guys think and live.
I pretty sure you seen the full extent of their personalities
@@spencechan rofl
same reasons people listen to music normally. the difference is just the hypersensitivity and focus to the point they are not even listening to the music as music anymore.
@@spencechan Cold af
@@Memelord-yz9ql exactly.
"I'm a complete audiophile, i strive for perfection with my music"
*Grabs record by grooves*
Lol well it is a record.... Plays record more then a couple times. Haha
Plus. He probably had surgery to keep his hands from secreting oil
Yeah, so true ✊😲
Stop acting as if touching the grooves will make the record unplayable
@classiccarz records are extremely inferior to lossless files with the right equipment in a proper setup.
Right on with the isolated power transformer. Audiophile rule of thumb #1 *NEVER SHARE YOUR ELECTRONS!!!* Last time I shared audio electrons with the neighbor's toaster, my tweeters got yeast infections....
Sounds legit. I'll buy that for a dollar.
Lol
Actually this is something that is totally true about electricity, there are all kinds of voltage and amperage fluctuations as well as noise from digital electronics or things like blenders, that feedback noise in different harmonic frequencies back into the grid, not to even mention EMI and RFI. I have personally used something called a noise sniffer that amplifies noise from various outlets. I would say it is akin to drinking unfiltered water that is being fed from sewage. I have used line conditioning products and actually used to be an audiophile dealer. Trust me your incoming AC is one of the biggest culprits for bad sound. listen at midnight on a Sunday and hear how much better your stuff will sound.
Zach, I do agree. There is a lot of noise in AC power. Especially nowadays with everything having a switch mode power supply. TRIAC dimmers as well as inverters in modern appliances (microwaves and washers with brushless motors). It all makes for very energy efficient appliances, but they really put out the noise. The guy actually did the right thing with the separate pole transformer based on his budget availability and dedication to his hobby of interest.
SwankeyMonkey
*Everybody Laughs*
I've personally have been accused of being an audiophile but they could never prove it and the charges were dropped.
Actually I'm an audiophile. Because I care about sound quality, I don't listen mp3 or music from TH-cam on logitech speakers. But at the same time I don't have fancy power cables or other ridiculous stuff.
Pioneer Nut nice no one asked 😊
@@Watcher4111
Try A4Tech speakers...
@@Watcher4111 interesting 🤔
@@Watcher4111 underrated comment
A tip for all you audio enthusiasts, never turn your equipment upside down, the electrons fall out and it will never sound the same again.
Great comment as audio enthusiasts need only spend a couple of hundred dollars on a dedicated power-conditioner such as those made by the Furman company and hear a noticeable improvement in sound clarity instantly, as well as both benefit with electrical surge protection and greater longevity for the components. A win-win-win !
Suzy Siviter EEVblog!
Is this a joke?
@@lymphhh no, I am a videographer not an audiophile, but thank you
Wow, 146 likes for a comment about lost electrons... that's a very POSITIVE response! 🤪
And here i'm contemplating whether 99€ is a bit too much to splurge out on a new cartridge.
AHAHAHAA !!!
If you're spending it on an Ortofon, Shure or Stanton then; Yes.
Otherwise you probably did your research and end up with a decent cart for the money.
Tip; Nagaoka MP110
Hundreds of thousands of dollars is not necessary to pursue high end audio. If you are willing settle for preowned equipment, you can enter the high end arena for far less. However, you must be a music lover and want to hear music reproduced accurately.
Also, it's all a matter of matching. You CAN actually outperform a 50.000 dollar rig with a 2500 dollar one, when done right. Obviously, a 50k rig done right... well, that's another story ;).
Still haven't made the purchase though, still using my AT95E.
“Personal source of pure electricity”? Without a dedicated power plant?
Not to mention all the interference caused by having your own power box and source. That's a flawed logic. It's definitely not gonna make the audio better.
Will Duracell batteries make a Discman sound better?
I do know real serious audio guys put their audio equipment on a separate group in their breaker panel. Apparently that does make a bit of a difference. Well in lab-tests at least.
personal high tension wires are a must !
One or two solar panels and you are good to go.
Well, is it really any more crazy than spending 500k on a monet painting and just sticking it on a wall lol. Get joy where you get joy from. Period lol.
@crezman it's worthless tbh, can't do anything
a 500k monet? Thats a good deal lol
Paintings are beautiful to look at, but a £3 poster copy will achieve the majority of that. 500k+ for one painting to look at...or spend the same on an insane setup and all the music ever made 🤔
Everyone had their tastes, but expensive art is a scam 🤷♂️
The analogy would work if you decided to live in a tiny apartment and stop buying new clothes in order to save up for new works of art to hang on your wall.
Paintings are used as an investment moreso than as something to enjoy at that high price
Everyone has their own personal ideas on how things work, but in reality and research, results are proven. For instance, the AC that feeds all of his audio gear is changed inside each individual piece to DC, or "direct current," through a thing called rectification. This is then sent too some large filter capacitors (hum and noise removal) then out to the rest of the circuitry. The AC is completely changed to DC and filtered internally in each unit. This is common with most electronic items in your house. If you think the noise will get through that filtering system, your ears are better than most pieces of test equipment that can see and hear well beyond what our analog ear drums can. If you think the noise from your power source (AC line to pole) is bad, you should see what the switch mode power supply in most all modern audio equipment produces. This hash and noise is also filtered out with capacitors and inductors (also known as reactors) internally in each unit. Once the magic is removed, things are pretty straight forward..... Some want to hold on to that magic, and I respect that! Take care.
Mr Carlson's Lab new audiophile here. I listen to headphones, when I first got my nice dac and amp i plugged to into the same strip as my pc. Later on while i was listening i heard this hum, like a neighbor had a vaccum cleaner on. I was convinced it was them and when i took off my headphones it was just coincedence they were shutting off the vaccum cleaner. Turns out it was actually a ground loop being created between my pc and the amp. I plugged the amp into another outlit, and now havent had the problem sense. Idk what 'science' you are reading but not everything in audio is converted to dc, and you can put yourself in scenarios where you hear distortion from your power source.
If you owned an old CRT TV, you could see the interference from your vacuum on the screen.
Mr Carlson's Lab his analogy with electricity to blood is stupid
Mr Carlson's Lab you're forgetting about ground isolation - while noise over the transmission line is taken care of by ac->dc rectification, the noisy ground (which is not filtered) is tied neutral and bypasses rectification because its tied to the chassis.
Exactly--my EE professor was explaining how a rectifier works, with diodes (they pass electricity in only one direction) and capacitors (they store and smooth out the current). None of your electronics run on AC--all of them run on DC.
“I found that I had long listened to music filled with noise” *merzbow plays softly in the background*
Dude must be untouchable on the Steve Hoffman forums
Seriously? A 1 minute report. This could easily be a Netflix documentary.
I applaud both these gentlemen. I share their passion. I'm retired and aside from my audiophile hobby my life is rather mundane. Divorced, never hear from my children and most of my family has passed. Music is a lover that never leaves. Looking forward to the next stereo purchase gives one a sense of purpose. One side note. They both need to improve their room acoustics.
@@Ljosi My marriages, two, ended for health reasons. My wives got sick of me.
@@Ljosi I was joking. There are many reasons why marriages break up. It sometimes take years and sometimes it take a few months. Relationships are complicated. My music helps to make the days more pleasant. A few beers helps too.
@@Ljosi My first wife initiated the divorce and my second wife and I did it together. 70% of all divorces are initiated by the Woman.
@@Ljosi dude it could be anything but why are you digging its his business why he got divorced
@@Ljosi no but why does it matter his comment isnt about the divorce its about audio. His reason for divorce doesn't matter
Japanese taking a fad, sport, hobby, etc. to the extreme? I find that hard to believe.
If YOU had a million dollars....
He is crazy, my audio system is more important than my girlfriend.
ha ha !!
if i had to decide between my audio system and my girlfriend.....geez that's a tough one ! \m/
kong vue yeah, but you can only mute one of them.
afrosheenix oh wise one!
idk man, if you paid that much for an audio system, you can't let it go to waste. Depends really.
I have learned to use the rotation of the Earth to play my records and the orbit of our earth around the Sun to play my Albums. The sound is simply superb.
You must be into sludge doom
None of your records are albums?
The sound must be out of this world. Far out man.
@@UncompressedWAVmusic lol
@@robertsamson4610 Thanks I'm re-reading this and laughing a lot. Maybe I was drinking at the time?
If he was a real audiophile he would've bought or built a small house with a dedicated room free of electrical interference and outside noise. Instead of spends $100k on speakers and rents a tinyass apartment. Wtf is this guy smoking
that apartment is $2,000 a month in Tokyo
Just a house? Buy an island somewhere. Greece has plenty. Very reasonable prices.
Whatever he's smoking, apparently not a lot can afford it...
wheels turn I would imagine the AC is off during critical listening. Yes, it is an affliction, like other hobbies especially car customisation, wine/art collecting etc.
Sushi.
You know, if you makes you happy and you are not asking anyone for anything...fine by me. These guys clearly worked hard, saved money, and live day to day being happy with their audio gear. Hell, I bet if you go out to Hollywood and find some of these so called "A List" actresses out there you will find then with 75 purses that average $900 each and 50 simple strap high heals at $450 a pair. Hell I would rather have, and be much happier with, $95,000 of high end stereo than those purses and shoes, but most don't call that fanatical. Many envy that purse and shoe collection. Not to mention, a vast majority of this high end stuff does not lose much in value. They can enjoy this stuff for 15 years and sell it for close if not more than they paid for it. I guess some fanatical stuff is just more accepted than others because clothes and shoes probably have many more fanatics then high end audiophiles lol.
Having money doesn't mean you worked hard for it. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Most people working for minimum wage work their asses off, while most rich people sit on their asses while the numbers in their accounts climb.
***** That is such a ideological way of thinking. A good majority of wealthy people did not just walk down the street and one day find a huge pile of money sitting in a suitcase. A huge number of them are wealthy because they took risk and that most people are not willing to take. They were willing to bet all they had on a idea and sacrifice whatever they had to see it through. I work in the financial service industry and I have a extremely successful practice now. Making more money than I ever did. ...but when I left a stable job to take this chance of starting my own business no one was there or complaining when things weren't going well, when my $250/ month car go repoed, when my $125k house went into forclosure and I had to sell, when my lights were shut off for 3 days because I couldn't pay the bill. When I pawne stuff to eat. I've owned my own business and I have worked at Hardees, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers, The Buckle, etc so I've been on both ends. Trust me, that minimum wage stuff was 1000% easier than running your own business. People like you only look at the a person like that when the success hits and then says...oh they don't work hard they just sit on their money? My brother is becoming a pretty successful actor in Hollywood. You would probably say he is lucky and on easy street. Yet, where were you when for 3 years he was living in a hell hole with 7 people? Got bitten by rats 3 times in his bed? After so much time and working for years he didn't even have $1.50 in his bank account to rent his own first movie out of the redbox when it came out...but now if you see him driving in new benz you say...he didn't work hard. He just sits on his money? They day you give up and sell everything you own and pursue a dream that has no hourly wage, no set pay, and no benefits and even after you sacrifice all there is HUGE change of failure...then you come back let's talk about working hard.
I'm talking about physical labor for a low wage. Devoting 80 hours a week to work as some people are forced to do for whatever reason. Not working for the damn Yum corporation. I'm also not talking about being poor while trying to start your own business. So why are you telling me about your financial struggles? You can be dirt poor and not work at all. Just because your car got repossessed, you lost your house, ect doesn't mean you were working hard. Maybe you were, but it is insignificant in relation to what I am talking about. I also did not say people just stumble on money. The point is, in general, the higher paying the job, the more desirable the position is, the more freedom you have, the more money you save, the more money you invest, the more money you accrue. Probably shouldn't have said minimum wage, as you assumed I was talking about people who flip burgers, go home, smoke an 1/8 and play video games online.
***** Simply put...you are telling me your comment didn't imply that wealthier people don't work as hard as others? Or were you saying something totally different that I didn't get? My impression is when I said these guys worked hard for their money so enjoy it how they like... your response seemed to simply state they don't work hard. That their money just works for them. Well, where do you think THAT money came from in the first place?
I'm not talking about people in your class or my class. My original comment was about people who blow $100,000 on speakers. Anyone with any sanity whatsoever would not do that with money they worked hard for. Move on.
I would love to see the results of a hearing test on these two. Statistically, they are paying big money to reproduce frequencies that they haven't been able to hear in years.
High fequencies indirectly cause interference, and resonance in your body that you can feel... Not to mention natural harmonic that you may be able to measure... The room is like a cello or drum and the speakers contain drivers. You are like anti science compared to this guy.
They could be gifted in their sense of hearing, like some athletes/chefs/musician who has a little bit more or a little bit better ability(like can taste more,or identify more) . Or so tuned to certain kind of sounds/vibrations.
@@18yearsoldnot cringe audiofool
@@18yearsoldnot My farts have a natural harmonic that you may be able to measure. Doesn't mean you should build a $100,000 hi-fi setup to hear them.
I'd say 99% of 'audiophiles' can't hear all the nuances that they claim they can hear. They're the sommeliers of the music world.
His underwear is 15 years old. For a guy that’s normal.
Dirk Diggler I don’t wear underwear
The acid eats through mine in a year.
@@fortheloveofnoise eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
How is roller girl?
She still takes it like a champ.
Isn't the bass wavelength longer than his apartment?
The bass wavelength is longer than most listening rooms and certainly mine.
Ryan Miller bass roll of on vinyl? What are you talking about. Vinyl can have plenty of bass.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock RIAA equalization ≠ no bass you moron
Was thinking same, speakers look way too big!
@Olaf Willocx Isn't the problem with small room and deep bass that it is very uneven due to cancellations etc. Might be there, but not properly reproduced.
Plot twist : Nobody tells him he's 80% deaf.
underrated comment
how can he hear "the noise"?
A good pair of headphones in a dark room at 3am will always be the best hi fi setup for those with no room.
and don't forget the headphone amp
Max16032 ... you forgot the source!
staxx 009 best headphones in the world
@@agamaz5650 beats
@@agamaz5650 yes staxx are so good
I am electrical engineer and have great passion about audio sounds and high fidelity (20+ years of exp). I would say these extremes are just pure BS. However, if this makes you happy, by all means go ahead, but there is no scientific advantage of having your own utility pole or buying $800 cable, basically you can have a super great home theater (Audio) setup just by spending $4000-$5000, anything above that is just placebo effect and falls under diminishing return theory.
It's hard to disagree with your statement....so true.
I was thinking the same thing. That power pole is still connected right to the other power pole he would originally get power from. I feel like if he wanted "better power", a power conditioner and battery back ups would help level out any variations.
Diminishing returns is not a theory.
No it is not a theory but it plays a major role in production theory.
there totally is... if you need a dedicated line to draw 50 plus amperes for your power amps... it makes a big difference having your own line
First dude needs to angle his speakers, I'm crying.
And also, there should be some air behind speakers, otherwise, there are negative audio effects.
Whatever you do, don't tell these guys about reel to reel.
evvignes muh dynamic range
Hahahaha
It’s already expensive enough lol
Tell them about Bluetooth streaming and plastic soundbars instead 🤣
Duuuuude...i wish I had never found out about reels either...so expensive ahhhhh
I was going to joke that they should build a Faraday cage around their flat. But I'm worried they'll actually do it.
The thing about them is that they don't even treat the room at all, so I wouldn't imagine them doing that
I don't understand how people who would spend these hundreds of thousands on audio equipment and powerlines wouldn't have even the most basic acoustic treatment. That second guy had 200k+ spent on equipment and is probably getting insane resonances in that basement apartment.
True. I think acoustic treatment is number one or two. Speakers are important too, the source of course, amlpifiers, then perhaps (analogue) cables, and the power supply (mains) is not an issue at all, unless your equipment has terrible filters to clean up the mains.
This is just super counter productive. The second guy spent such a huge amount of money on those gigantic speakers that barely fit the room... I bet that in the end the space limitations and acoustic of the room will ruin the listening experience. He would be better off with a much smaller (and cheaper) set.
Fact!
I'd hate to be that guy's neighbor! Also, consider all the electricity it consumes.
Surprised the first guy is keeping his records in paper sleeves if he's that obsessed. Hello surface scratches and paper flakes.
Special non-abrasive Nagaoka rice paper sleeves.
You know he has about 5 copies for every record right?
maybe the paper doubles as the acoustic treatment for the room..
lol and he has 10 more copies that are still sealed of each album :)
that's special rice paper, he made those in his electrically isolated garage. quietest sleeves you've never heard.
I just bought my first vinyl record yesterday, but maybe I should quit while I'm ahead before I end up like one of these guys
Yep
get a good system and you'll love the sound (buy used:
I had audible interference on the electric line I plug my guitar amps into. It was pretty darn noticeable. So I bought a power conditioner on Amazon for like $60. Problem solved. Maybe I should have bought my own utility company?
I thought power conditioners only protected from power surges?
@@reginaldjean-louis6103
I bought this- amzn.to/3rTNTWQ .
It did this -
ELIMINATES RFI AND EMI: The built in ac noise filters get rid of unwanted radio frequency (RFI) and electromagnetic interference (EMI) to improve the stability of the equipment and prolong the service life of your electronics at home or office.
A UPS used for computers would effectively perform the same job as this guy’s power pole. Such an odd choice with little understanding behind it.
@@scottbmcqueen computer UPS outputs crude imitation of sine wave - a few square waves superimposed on each other. A lot of equipment would not even work properly and even comes with labels - not to be used with such UPSs. You want a UPS - spend a few thousand on active double conversion UPS.
In Hamasaki's apartment, speakers that size are completed wasted on a room so small. Big speakers belong in big rooms, not tiny apartments.
Absolutely spot on :).
So true. A nice pair of book shelf speakers and a sub would probably sound better in there than those grand-piano sized things he's got in there.
he should sell those things before they depreciate in value. better speakers are being invented all the time and at a fraction of that cost.
If Dennis Folly from Acoustic Fields has taught me anything, there is such a thing as 'too' big for a small room/car. Audio needs time to mature to blend with itself, and sound its best. Small apartment? 4' floor tower speakers would be plenty, if not still overkill.
phantasm1004 Disagree. Bigger speakers can handle bigger bass. Useful if you don't have room for a sub, or for some reason don't want a tacky sub in your room, and other aesthetic reasons.
That said, this does not apply here lol those speakers are the most self indulgent audio wankery I have seen. I don't even know how it could fit through a conventional door.
1:32, an audiophile whose turntable is directly in front of his HUGE loudspeaker. And look at all that garbage on top of the speaker.
He use some sort of dampening sheet between speaker and things standing on top!
and my parents call me crazy for buying those high end headphones
Vishnu Narayanan ... show them the video! By the way, watch out for the arranged marriage. 😂🤣
it is not crazy when you want good sound
My dream headphone is senn hd 800, still cant afford them. I have akg k612 pro which is nice already i think
High end headphones? Like what, Beats?
@@bluepeng8895 "Beats" lol
as he stares at his 50,000 doller turntable i can tell he still not happy!
haha ;^D
He can borrow my Crosley. It has real wood grain finish.
yeah he definitely hates the noise when he puts the disc on.
:(
Maybe a 100,000 dollar one will finally make him happy
When I went to Japan, I took a Airbnb for a couple of days, and the hosts were a retired couple. They had the craziest sound setup I ever saw in my life, even better than the ones we see in this video, and I'm not kidding, I would post pictures of it but it's a TH-cam comment..
I had obviously no idea about that when arriving to the house, and as an audiophile myself, seeing such a dream-like system was mind-blowing. Sadly with the language barrier we couldn't exchange much on any of the technical aspects, but the wife served us some hand made tea and the husband played some of his favorite songs for us. It was such an awesome experience, I could close my eyes and feel all the instruments.
if you have pics you can post them on the audiophile Reddit and tell your story
@@nc8087 If I stumble across these photos again I'll think about that :)
As an audio expert who has worked in the field for decades I'd like to point out that the industry is teeming with snake oil and that under scientifically controlled conditions claims that one's source of electricity matters are shown to be baloney.
I remember there was a story about audiophiles using copper coat hangers as aux wire to see if there was a difference from some monster cables and they said they could hear a difference.
Yeah same with really high end instruments (or at least guitars)
Sooo much snake oil and placebo effect...
The purity of the D .C supply that matters after it has been converted from the ac supply what really matters.
If you truly believe the source of your electricity doesn't matter... man you could not be more incorrect.
I cracked when the second man said both audio and his girlfriend are equally important to him and laughed right after.
I think he made his gf up. Most would look at his flat and then run for the hills.
I love the passion for music of these wonderful people from Japan! ❤
99% of audiophiles are just needlessly obsessive.
and have good hearing
I just want something that works. But once you start researching which one to get, you somehow got convinced to spend 500% of your budget.
That's the truth, I was gonna go for a $500 reciever, but ended up selling my kidneys for a $3000 Marantz 8012
That's why I didn't really research it... haven't spend more than $50 for a vintage Technics turntable and a Fisher amplifier from the '80s. Both working great with my LG speakers from 2004... I just wanna listen to my records in decent quality, not winning audiophile competitions.
i have a friend in Japan just like these guys. I had a chance to sit down and listen to it once. I cannot recall ever hearing that quality of sound before. it was as spiritual experience.
Of course all of this totally negated by sitting a turntable, which is a vibration sensitive electromechanical device, a few feet in front of speakers fitted with 15" bass drivers. But I'm sure his $1500 IEC mains lead sounds amazing!! 🙄
agree , my HiFi sounded much better when i put the Turntable on another planet :-)
After illnesses, marriage breakdown, relationship breakdown, job losses I find myself in complete agreement with these gentlemen.
My LP , CD , Blu Ray and DVD collection still fill me with joy and pleasure and not to mention wonderment ( where did Abbey Road come from ? A wonderful piece of art )
All those other things come and go but a music collection and beautiful technology to play them on are simply unsurpassable.
God bless you gentlemen.
You have a kindred spirit in Australia
I wish I had something I appreciated that much. Maybe not to an obsessive degree, but a passion would be cool.
*strictly listens to Baby Metal and Nickelback*
On beats by dre
No dynamic range hahha
haha crushed and bricked.
@benzo recorded from a friend's phone
I spend all my money on guitars. I relate to the guy who doesn’t buy new clothes.
I too spent most of my money on booze, women, and guitar gear. The rest I 've just wasted!
Audiophiles would buy tickets to hear that system for an hour.
Blood = Electricity in Japan. Good to know.
Japanese people have a synonym/metaphor for everything. Makes stuff so relatable
Dude went outside, listened the birds, and criticized their inability to produce crystal clear chirps.
The Second guy is just Japanese Z Reviews.
Without the anime wallpaper
😂😂😂
@@hitemwid1t he is the anime wallpaper.
HE GOT A HOUSE!
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Why can't the old men do what they want
wondering ho the 80+ man can hear all the "pure audio quality" when his ears have been aging and "low-passing" like everyone else's. audiophilia is a bad sickness
rizzo92 yea it is
Probably he protects his ears (like I do mine) from loud noises and trashy loud music, so his ears are probably in better shape than most 20 year olds these days.
DEADMEMES, So please tell the world your secret. How did you transport yourself into his body and brain to be able to hear what he hears. This is truly a breakthrough. Science is waiting for your reply. We must know so that we can do the same oh great one. I bow to your greatness.
thekretch, Get off your high horse. The man is 80. If you type a few words into google you'd find that old age is tied to hearing loss. Our hair cells in our ear do not repair or regrow and are easily damaged over time.
That's exactly the reason why he needed ultra high end, due to high freqency hearing loss you need far better quality equipment to compensate.
"maybe my girlfriend"
Absolute madlad lol
Why buy 100,000$ Speakers when you can't turn the volume up, because of your neighbours?
There is something like silent listening. Didnt you hear that??
The bigger the speaker is, clearer the sound is. That's basic. Big speakers sounds awesome at low volume, very comfortable to listen.
If wasn't, then big speakers such as loudspeakers would have obsolete.
@@aayazahmed5389 the size of the speaker doest affect the quality at all. Bigger membranes are just able to reproduce lower frequencies.
@@aayazahmed5389 I'm sorry, but that's not really how it works, big speakers can produce lower frequencies more easily : they can move more air. You can find good speakers at any size.
@@Doctedx you have a wrong concept. I don't agree.
Quick save by the second guy when talking about his girlfriend lol
Yeah... his "girlfriend" is probably a high-tech sex doll... I can't imagine a living woman putting up with an apartment and hobby like this for long.
I feel sorry for that second guy's neighbors. And the speakers should match the size and design of the room. His speakers are way too big for his apartment, considering how far he sits from them.
If he switched to CD the noise level and quality would be way better than from his Vinyls.
Also: 99.9% of all music in the past 20 years is being produced digitally. Pressing the master on a vinyl does not make the quality better, it makes it worse.
Worse how, may I ask?
Worse by reducing dynamic range (groove cannot be cut with full dynamic range for mechanical reasons); increasing noise floor (crackles, rumble); waveform distorted by warping of vinyl; inconsistent playback speed (wow and flutter); adding huge amounts of harmonic distortion; generational loss of detail from master to cutter to molding machine to molded groove to stylus (4 generations of analog copying with loss); microphony of turntable picks up speaker output resulting in feedback contamination; sound quality and channel balance varies with tracking angle (inner tracks are more distorted); outer tracks have higher quality than inner tracks due to edge of record travelling at higher speed than inner; groove wears mechanically and sound deteriorates a little with every play.
Just off the top of my head: there are probably more problems I haven't listed.
@@paulcoddington664👌😍
it's all in the "mix"
These guys living the life and doing what they love. That's the kind of life I want to have.
For someone who doesn't know this was a 2ch material -PureAudio- back in 2007.
And it is an exact same discussion about a digital audio cable or a memory card effects an audio file or an image file...
The list of Electric companies and sounds effects are:
Company Pros Cons Grade
TEPCO Balanced Slow response C
Chuden Bass-boost Loud A+
KEPCO clear-High DensityLow B
Rikuden Wet BassWeak B+
...
Power plant should be in 5 km radius, otherwise noise level increases...
Am I the only one who wonders how an audiophile can play "I'm in love with my car" at the wrong speed?
See and the interesting thing is if the first guy (very simply mind you) could have rectified AC to DC and then Back to AC again he would get purer electricity than being on a separate grid for a significantly lower cost
Not really. The only way would be a motor spinning a generator.
@@indigobaloon8091 imma conect my amp to a bicycle
It seems rather weird that a presumably very expensive amp would supposedly be sensitive to minor variations in the voltage supply anyway.
Beautiful high-end audio system! 0:11 - 0:15 CH Precision, Constellation Audio, Viola Audio Laboratories. 0:18 ― 0:19 Viola Audio Laboratories. 0:39 ― 0:42 Viola Audio Laboratories.
Unfortunately they´re listening to that high-end music through their cheap 5 Dollar hearing aids... ;D
Audiophiles: cant hear over 5khz...
i'm an advanced human ... my threshold is 13.7 Khz ...57 year old
Love the opening scene. This is where I want to be at 82 years old. Just chillin with the dopest set. Kudos to you sir.
it doesn't matter what hobby you get into you always find a sizeable fringe of people who take it to the wild extreme. They always have to have the most expensive Kevlar, fan braced, oxygen-free, einsteinium coated, gizmo available.
Marketing people love them!
marketing
there are times when music grabs me so intensely my family looks at me like I am crazy, and indeed, in those moments, I am completely in my own high intensity world.
1:26 nice save, bro!
This appears more to be high-end hording than true enthusiasm.
or miss-directing by salesmen
It's actually this sort of fanaticism that makes the Japanese good craftsmen.
Figures, a lawyer, an engineer would know there is some bs there. Still love it.
Listens to music recorded on tainted electricity... witj "clean" electricity. Gold
He means statics and groundhum.
It has nothing to do with the recording itself.
So jokes is on you and the 21 others.. ;)
@@blackstarnevershines Can you say for sure? Why wouldn't he just use those words instead?
Also, the noise/hum of most recordings will be louder than the noise floor of any of your equipment, especially on vinyl that has been played more than 0 times.
Grounding doesn't require that you buy any of the gimmicks that he owns, just a grounded outlet will suffice...
The "electrical" interference is likely just a grounding loop / 60hz hum issue.
100k speakers in a room without acoustic treatment?? How does that make any sense?
1:02 looks like he's loving every minute of it
Audiophile is a person who listen his audio equipment.. Not a music.
6r0k3n5t3ps Learn English, it’s painful to read your comment.
@@matthewdubovik7350 I don't care
To get clean AC power all that is required is to use a Balanced Power Isolation Transformer which costs about US $2,000, probably an order of magnitude cheaper than a dedicated "power pole". The pole actually has nothing to do with it, the difference was a dedicated step-down transformer. Just as an ordinary matter in the way power is distributed to my house (underground line)I have my own dedicated step-down transformer. Before remodeling I shared a transformer with my neighbor's house. When I remodeled and upped my system to 500 Amperes capacity the utility installed a transformer for my residence only. I also use a BPIT in my studio which feeds all audio equipment, both digital and analog.
their rooms are cluttered thus not ideal listening environments
Shintaro better than a room with nothing in it.
It helps defuse reflections, it's better then an empty room
That's the only thing the pair of them got right, the clutter breaks up resonances
actually the clutter is great for deadening and diffusion. empty rooms sound horrible.
the guy with the tiny apartment and massive speakers isn't an audiophile he's a horder with expensive taste.. massive speakers in a tiny packed room will never sound good, he'd be much better off with cheaper speakers and a bigger properly set up space or with a nice pair of headphones and a good source
Yes and in an apartment, it's not like he can turn the volume up much anyway.
I guess that first guy hasn't heard about power conditioners 🤣
1:27 Spoilers: the girlfriend is his audio system
Is that the reason he went for front-ported speakers?
Should we tell him that the music becomes lower quality the closer the stylus is to the center of the record?
GRiMOSAUR That's why good cutting engineers didn't cut to close to the center. That's why up to 1966 most bands limited their albums to 15 per side. And in the 70's, 20 minute per side.
It only becomes a problem once the record has been cut to far in.
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq Fun fact: Thomas Edison originally intended to use discs for his music format, but because of that, he decided to stick to cylinders as the speed will always remain consistent due to cylinders having a uniform shape throughout... Unfortunately for him, the audio at the time was already awful to begin with, so the quality drop didn't even matter, which led to the creation of his competition, the 78rpm shellac record.
(Info from YT channel Technology Connections)
@@mynamehasspacesinit8687 Btw, one of the best channels of TH-cam.
i bet he knows this
A properly calibrated turntable will eliminate any inner grove distortion.
I’ve taken this route. I used to be addicted to a sound perfection. Buying extremely expensive gear, exchanging it all the time, listening to the sound instead of music. It’s very toxic. I really undestand those people but i also know that in the end it will drive you mad as there’s no such thing like a perfect soundsystem....i’m very happy i’ve given up this sh.....
I just got an MC cartridge and some Martin-Logans, and I'm "there". End of hunt
>doesn't like to listen to noise
>Listens to vinyl
Nap-0 If you clean your vinyl and have a decent setup, you don’t hear any unwanted noise at all. Sounds like you’ve never interacted with a turntable in your life?
@@DefenestrateYourself come on dude, I was obviously making a joke
0:38 "A personal source of Pure Electricity"
Yeah right.
@Francois Gariepy: you don't know where all of does pole lead, the might lead to his own windmill, or solar pannels, if he his telling the truth
wonder if anyone should tell him that hes still connected to the grid and subject to the same fluctuations and interference as everyone else?
After illnesses, marriage breakdown, relationship breakdown, losing jobs etc etc I am so much in agreement with these gentlemen.
My LP , cd , blu ray and DVD collections
This is what happens when the blood thirsty samurai's great great grandchildren have no one left to kill.
That is SO wrong, yet SO funny!!!
One of the best comments this year.