Should I Let My Buyer Pay Off Their Loan Early?

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  • @koolandblue
    @koolandblue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +299

    Interesting- you often don’t hear the lender’s side of people paying off their debt early. Just goes to show how much money you can save by paying off your debts as soon as you can.

    • @stevenporter863
      @stevenporter863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Finally, a real question.

    • @rachelgooden9981
      @rachelgooden9981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeh. I liked this

    • @John3.36
      @John3.36 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or just don't go into debt period!

    • @edwardrhoads7283
      @edwardrhoads7283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that is why when I sell real estate to an investor seller financed I do interest only loans.

    • @Kevintendo
      @Kevintendo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardrhoads7283 you’re saying you only let them do no down payment loans??

  • @Jericho9696
    @Jericho9696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    Previous caller:
    “Hey Dave how do I pay off my commercial property worth $700k”

  • @JosephDickson
    @JosephDickson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    The irony of this call... His buyer is working the baby steps. 🤣

    • @rickshaw3397
      @rickshaw3397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I guess baby steps are what you take when you begin his program, then when you get big enough you take predatory steps.

    • @pagalhokya
      @pagalhokya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rickshaw3397 Haha, exactly what I was thinking.

    • @sc2thrashmetal
      @sc2thrashmetal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@rickshaw3397 Nothing predatory about owner financing. It's actually the opposite of predatory.

    • @rickshaw3397
      @rickshaw3397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@sc2thrashmetal I'm not talking about owner financing, I'm talking about, the people are wanting to pay off early because the guy is taking them on the interest rate. 45000 in interest over one year! They found a better interest rate, wants to pay the guy off, hes threatening the people with lawyers just for wanting to pay it off. He doesnt even want the property. He gets rid of property and get the money that was asked from property and they get the property. But he wants it all, obviously a baby boomer. They're the worst

    • @tylerperez649
      @tylerperez649 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha 😂😂😂

  • @Je.rone_
    @Je.rone_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    I like the questions that are unlike the ones I've never seen Dave answer in the past. And this is one I've never seen

    • @richthepup
      @richthepup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We all learned from this one

    • @multistack1502
      @multistack1502 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Spammer! How’s it feel to be hated like Casey?

    • @chrissy1448
      @chrissy1448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right... this was a good one.

    • @aaronestes5195
      @aaronestes5195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea a lot of the calls are just repeating the baby steps to people haha

  • @TrainerAQ
    @TrainerAQ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Never ever get a loan from someone who won't let you pay it off early. You are signing your life away.

    • @MyLifeThai371
      @MyLifeThai371 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the way I do all my real estate loans to!

    • @metaltera86
      @metaltera86 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well you can pay it early but you also pay the entire interest too

  • @the_mrs
    @the_mrs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    We bought our home on a land contract and this is precisely why I asked for them to put a “no early payoff penalty” clause in the agreement.

  • @tadasdanilevicius4486
    @tadasdanilevicius4486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    Next video: "My lender just penalized me for paying the loan early. What should I do?" 😂

    • @jasonbourne6383
      @jasonbourne6383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahahaah omg

    • @joecity856
      @joecity856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s usually not a penalty it’s just part of the loan.

    • @mcbins1993
      @mcbins1993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol

    • @igorseprak6177
      @igorseprak6177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s turning into a theater of the absurd.

    • @scootypuffjr.6042
      @scootypuffjr.6042 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      more like "my employer fired me for getting pregnant and his name was david ramsey"

  • @collinis1
    @collinis1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Everyone who is calling the caller evil have no sense of perspective. In any other circumstance, the caller would have received the value of the building in cash. He would then be able to invest his earnings and recurve far more than 6.5% . Because the buyers couldn’t pay in cash or get a loan, the caller could not invest the full value of the building. Therefore, he deserves interest from the buyers. They signed a contract.

  • @farzana6676
    @farzana6676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Most of you guys clearly never understood the question. The seller provided owner finance on the property.
    The loan term is over ten years, but the buyers wanted a provision to settle the loan early and not have to pay the interest charges for the full ten years.
    The seller agreed on condition that they do not settle the debt within the first two years and this was included in the contract by his lawyer. One year has passed and now the buyers want permission to settle the debt.
    This means that the seller will lose all the interest he was supposed to collect for the second year. The seller could either force them to honor the contract and wait for the full two years to elapse or he could be lenient and negotiate with them a reduced penalty(ie. Lower than the interest they were going to pay) ...which is Daves advice.

    • @sc2thrashmetal
      @sc2thrashmetal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Most of these people have no idea what they're talking about in the comment section. They think owner financing is the same as the bank collection on a car loan smh. Thanks for making an informed comment.

    • @ChristianSedaPlays
      @ChristianSedaPlays 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting.. I’d probably give them a reduced interest rate on the second year. Maybe add half of what you would have got in interest and let him do it.

    • @johnpurdum8126
      @johnpurdum8126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sc2thrashmetal Yes!

    • @pseudonymshqipe854
      @pseudonymshqipe854 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm in a similar situation right now. I have a mortgage note on a multifamily property I just purchased. I have no penalties for paying it off early though.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChristianSedaPlays
      It sounds easier for us to think it would be better but he is now in a situation where he has taken all the risks and the returns are probably not going to be above inflation.
      He was mad to do what he did.

  • @addisontow3856
    @addisontow3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I feel like being morally against debt should go both ways right? Debtor and creditor?

    • @DaveSmith-kb5nk
      @DaveSmith-kb5nk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why, if someone wants to give me free money I'll take it. There is nothing immoral with a voluntary contract.

    • @jeraldmartin1789
      @jeraldmartin1789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This case was more like a mortgage (since there was true value to back up the loan), not a consumer loan.

    • @addisontow3856
      @addisontow3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeraldmartin1789 i know. And I personally tend to be ok with that. But Ramsey, from what I understand, doesnt like any debt. But he goes the easiest on home mortgages. Thats why he opts for telling callers to pay off their mortgage if they can instead of investing the payoff amount. Even though investing the payoff amount would be mathmatically more beneficial than paying off a 3% loan.

    • @JustaGuy316
      @JustaGuy316 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@addisontow3856 The exception to his no debt rule are mortgages. The loans are collateralized on an asset that (at least over the long term) is appreciating in value. Consumer debt, the most common form of debt, is neither of those things which is why he is so opposed to them.
      Even then, he says monthly payments no more than 25% of your take home pay on a 15 year term, and to pay it off as early as possible.

  • @As_A________Commenter
    @As_A________Commenter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    People are forgetting that the buyer needed seller financing before this, which means the banks saw them as a risk. This guy agreed to take on the risk at a higher interest rate, providing them a means to purchase the property. The fact that he wants some return for taking the risk on the buyer, who because of that is now able to refinance, isn’t counter to Dave’s philosophies. In fact, had the buyer called Dave and said “hey I want to buy a $750k commercial property with only $50k down and banks won’t touch me so I need the seller to finance me at 6.5%” he would have told them they can’t afford it.

    • @dbleongray
      @dbleongray 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am human, not profit

  • @Yespython
    @Yespython 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Lender: "At the end of the day its just business."
    Buyer: "At the end of the day its just business."

    • @saab9251
      @saab9251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No hard feelings from either side. They both want to make/save money, it’s just coming to an acceptable agreement like any other purchase. Seller wants to maximize and buy wants to minimize.

  • @kenneth804
    @kenneth804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Debt is dumb, cash is king...except when I am owed interest. Then debt isn’t so dumb.

    • @handleyobusiness
      @handleyobusiness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess he meant that paying a debt is dumb lol

    • @MrJumpingmaniac
      @MrJumpingmaniac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Issue here is that prepayment was contractually prohibited.

    • @marlonrolle9176
      @marlonrolle9176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrJumpingmaniac that's why before one signs for a loan, make sure there's no pre payment penalty in contract.

    • @DrThunder2004
      @DrThunder2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marlonrolle9176 clearly they had talked about it before signing the contract, both parties were above board about it, just the situation has changed.

  • @HangNguyen-ih8rf
    @HangNguyen-ih8rf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    That’s shady. I would never sign my name off to something I can’t pay off early without penalty.

    • @morrigan908
      @morrigan908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nothing shady about it. They signed a contract that did not allow for prepayment before two years. No one held a gun to their heads and made them sign. Presumably, at least...
      Mortgages used to routinely have prepayment penalties although it's pretty uncommon anymore. If you get a mortgage, I'd still recommend verifying with your lender that there no prepayment penalty in case they try to sneak one into the contract. Bottom line is don't sign something you don't understand.

    • @darksoulenvoy932
      @darksoulenvoy932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@morrigan908 Where in this video does anyone said the contract said "they cannot pay it off before two years"? A lot of people in the comments are asserting this without it ever being stated in the video. If that language was actually in the contract, this dude never would have called Dave in the first place.

    • @Gibb591
      @Gibb591 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@darksoulenvoy932 at 20 seconds and one minute 24 seconds

    • @morrigan908
      @morrigan908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@darksoulenvoy932 You're extra special aren't you? Try 0:18. "... we had an agreement that they would be able to pay it off after two years."

    • @betterhomesnc2437
      @betterhomesnc2437 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a high risk loan for someone who didn't qualify for conventional financing.

  • @Turn2Ugin
    @Turn2Ugin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I just miss Chris man

    • @ladypink3473
      @ladypink3473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I’ll never forget the time that the audio wasn’t adjusted and when he spoke it was super loud 🤣🤣🤣 his voice is already loud and deep as is.

    • @richthepup
      @richthepup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bring Chris back!

    • @yogibear2399
      @yogibear2399 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why’d he get removed from the show??

    • @chiefzackery6651
      @chiefzackery6651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@yogibear2399 for screwing around with other woman

    • @TartarianTopG
      @TartarianTopG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He needs his own show not affiliated with Ramsey

  • @db7040
    @db7040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is American Greed at its best !!!!! He’s not worried about the 5-600k plus he’s gonna get in cash for a property he no longer wants he’s more worried about the money he is gonna lose in interest.

    • @db7040
      @db7040 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jay Dee he has made money already off of the interest he has charged them for the first year. They are asking to pay it off earlier than the 24 months that was originally agreed upon. I have no problem with someone making money but his BS ways are what I’m saying is American Greed even Dave said oh I wouldn’t let them pay it off without some kind of penalty let’s say 1/2 of the interest still owed. I call BS on this let them pay it off charge them a minimal penalty fee and move on. Sounds like this guys interest is how deep he can get in their pockets that’s probably the reason they are trying to pay him off.

  • @2MasterBuilder2
    @2MasterBuilder2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Dave, what advice would you give to the borrower of this loan ...?

    • @joshdeveaux6936
      @joshdeveaux6936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He will never answer you......

    • @calibou6975
      @calibou6975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rice & beans and pay it off early 🤧

    • @morrigan908
      @morrigan908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Don't sign contracts that prohibit prepayment.

    • @AndreOliveira-cu3fy
      @AndreOliveira-cu3fy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beans and rice, rice and beans.

    • @DrThunder2004
      @DrThunder2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      likely the same has he gave the lendor. find a cheaper interest rate, work with the loaner to create a win-win, and pay down the loan as fast as you can.

  • @Coocooforcocopopsz
    @Coocooforcocopopsz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Unless it's within a contract, shldnt loaners let their borrowers payoff early regardless of unpaid interest? A loaner not letting a borrower payoff because of unpaid interest seems kind of of shady to me.. just saying.

    • @kimmywimmy7305
      @kimmywimmy7305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree. Imagine if banks could do that... just say “no, you owe us interest for 30 years.”

    • @aakashk530
      @aakashk530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It’s not kind of shady. It is shady and in my eyes robbery. Lending with the intent to only collect interest is not very moral

    • @ExeterXD
      @ExeterXD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@aakashk530 no bank is moral, they dont do favours its all business

    • @Coocooforcocopopsz
      @Coocooforcocopopsz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah, this phone call seems to be going against a lot of what I've seen from Dave in the past. Tbh, it's kind of upsetting to see Dave helping a lender figure out a way to take as much as they can from a borrower..

    • @bonniest.pierre2045
      @bonniest.pierre2045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It is within a contract.

  • @josephpapino
    @josephpapino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Anthony’s face when he realized he was a asking a silly question 🤣😂

  • @rubenmejia9020
    @rubenmejia9020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    It seems hypocritical that Dave preaches paying your debts early, yet he is telling this lender to charge a penalty for early payoff.

    • @kevinzacharywalker7758
      @kevinzacharywalker7758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No it's not, because the lender took a risk. It's the lender's money and both parties agreed on the deal beforehand. So the lender would actually get more money if he would stay with two years. Therefore to not lose the whole profit and on the plus side he gets his money to reinvest he can go home at least with some. Otherwise the borrower would had to pay more either by paying it off in another year like the contract said or even more if they would had gone for the whole amount of years that the loan was originally set up. So the borrower wins anyway while the loan giver still goes home at least with some profits and does the borrower a favor actually that way.

    • @mochopz
      @mochopz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They signed a contract

  • @mbaker8492
    @mbaker8492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'd let someone pay the loan off early, for no pre-payment penalty. Good for them, and I still get the money I loaned them (with the interest they've paid up to now).

    • @jesselarson2570
      @jesselarson2570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And you can reinvest your money. I'd completely disagree with Dave on this one.

    • @mroberts566
      @mroberts566 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The seller (caller) banked on those two years of income at high interest. If he was going to let the buyer stop paying interest any time he wants, the building would have cost more. The building produces $8k/month and he sold it for $750k? That only makes sense if you’re going to receive more money from carrying the note for at least a couple years.

  • @MrJay197409
    @MrJay197409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I won't be buying a house from this guy. I have to pay extra money to pay off early . I won't make that deal with anyone. Pure greed!

    • @dec1slh
      @dec1slh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You'd be surprised how many loans have pre-payment penalties. You just need to read and I understand your contract.

    • @DrThunder2004
      @DrThunder2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it was a commercial property for a business, not a house.

  • @prkzoomin6994
    @prkzoomin6994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great Quote, Act like you trust people, but do not.

  • @insideoutsideupsidedown2218
    @insideoutsideupsidedown2218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Dave, telling the bank how to get the best out of the deal. Never thought I would see the day.

    • @collinis1
      @collinis1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not the bank

    • @DaveSmith-kb5nk
      @DaveSmith-kb5nk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was an individuals contract. The lender was promised at least two years worth of interest. That is part of the deal. He might have never sold the property if he was not guaranteed interest on the loan. People don't just give loans to be nice.

    • @insideoutsideupsidedown2218
      @insideoutsideupsidedown2218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is correct. Banks do not just give loans to be nice. They do it to make money. Hence, he is now the bank.

  • @abarbar06
    @abarbar06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is not logical to me. If you charge 6.5% interest, that's how much you value you your money now compared to one year from now. If they pay off early, it should be just as valuable to you.

  • @zates2272
    @zates2272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We’ve all been given grace, so we should give some kind of grace. I like Daves advice.

  • @bonez2450
    @bonez2450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm 29 and been watching your videos for a long time. This is one of the only times I've seen you go into detail on what to do with the money once you have it. I think it is good to hear because it for me allows me to build a picture of some of the things I can do in my dream of being wealthy.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are really serious about investing and getting wealthy you need to educate yourself. Dave is a fantastic source for people that just want to save and invest with low levels of risk and to get them self debt free.
      I would suggest sticking with Daves advice and approach. To then add on top of that start with the book "Intelligent Investor" that is about value investing and was published in 1949. It is the approach that Warren Buffett used.
      Watch some youtube videos on Value investing the channel Sven Carlin. So that means you can use Dave Ramsey investment approach and Value investing as well. Watch some Warren Buffett videos as well.

  • @someperson9536
    @someperson9536 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Isn't the buyer supposed to pay off the loan as soon as possible? If the buyer called Dave, Dave would tell him to pay if off as soon as possible.

    • @mroberts566
      @mroberts566 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but the contract said he can’t.

  • @raggedyann4372
    @raggedyann4372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It doesn’t sound like he needs the interest, be kind!

    • @rochester3
      @rochester3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      greedy.. dave is telling him how to break the baby steps lol

  • @darksoulenvoy932
    @darksoulenvoy932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The best thing for the caller would be if there's a clause in the contract that penalizes the buyer for paying early. Otherwise, I don't see how he could legally refused repayment. I would think that might put him in legal jeopardy. That could be seen as him forfeiting the loan and they may not have to pay it at all.

    • @iamthere135
      @iamthere135 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely not......the loan terms are the loan paid off evenly over a 2 year period. Its the responsibility of the people who took the loan out to ensure they had the option to pay back the loan early with no penalty

    • @TR0LLREIGN
      @TR0LLREIGN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It depends on jurisdiction. The contract is exactly what it is. I lend you money now, you will pay me back more. Period.
      Prepayment of the loan is a deviation from the agreed upon contract. Pre-payment penalty is not included in the contract, but neither is a prepayment option.

  • @MuffinMan0521
    @MuffinMan0521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Guy calls the Dave Ramsey show asking if he should let his buyer pay of a LOAN early? What do you think he's going to say? "Well, we don't believe in loans here so what do you expect buddy?"

  • @bigd9040
    @bigd9040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Unless it specifies pre payment penalty In the contract can he really charge extra? I don't agree with dave on this one... buyer should be able to just pay off principal left owing. Seems greedy to me.

    • @DrThunder2004
      @DrThunder2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it specifies it in the contract. Dave is actually saying to be more lenient than the contract.

  • @famousamos1
    @famousamos1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dave is assuming the buyer has a better loan offer now. Maybe the buyer had other monies tied up at the time of the commercial property purchase and now the buyer has the cash.

    • @cynthiagraham4046
      @cynthiagraham4046 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So

    • @famousamos1
      @famousamos1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cynthiagraham4046 so the buyer could be saving $45k/yr in interest vs $24k/yr in interest. So his counter offer to paying it off prior to two years in the contract agreement could be more than what Dave recommends.

    • @cynthiagraham4046
      @cynthiagraham4046 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@famousamos1 it is not the buyer’s decision. The seller gets to decide if he will LET the buyer payoff early. That is the question Dave is answering. The seller loses money if he lets the buyer out early. The buyer should stick to his word. Integrity still counts with some of us.

    • @famousamos1
      @famousamos1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cynthiagraham4046 no I guess you misunderstood my comment. I get it that the buyer agreed to the seller to buy the commercial property with financing for 10yrs and not to pay it off for at least 10yrs. I’m just saying Dave is giving advice based on only assuming the buyer found a lower interest rate loan. I didn’t hear once from Dave say if the buyer has cash as the reason he wants to pay it off early that Tom the seller should offer the buyer to pay more to terminate the contract early. Again if buyer has to pay $45k in interest still because there’s 1yr left that the seller says sure you can pay it off early but for $35k interest not the $20k interest Dave is suggesting because he’s only assuming the buyer has another loam offer with lower interest.

    • @TR0LLREIGN
      @TR0LLREIGN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@famousamos1 You would be right, but Dave did say that he should try and figure out where they got the money.

  • @joefunk76
    @joefunk76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lender doesn’t have to be nice at all here. The buyer owes him the full interest for another year. Then again, it’s probably reasonable to work with the buyer lest something go awry later on and there’s a problem requiring litigation. Not a good idea to turn down taking back $700k you’re owed because who knows what that buyer’s situation will be tomorrow. Dave’s advise to negotiate a prepayment penalty sounds like the best route here for both parties. The lender took a huge risk and deserves to be compensated for it. Based on the numbers here, $20k seems reasonable and $15k would be a gift.

  • @JiisTube
    @JiisTube ปีที่แล้ว

    Notice Anthony listening carefully during the first half of the call, then asking questions and learning. I wish the current co-hosts did this.

  • @joepfeiler5911
    @joepfeiler5911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No mention of the tax impact. As a seller, you have to consider the impact of depreciation recapture which is calculated in the year you sell and the capital gain is taxed in the year you receive the payment. This is all added to your other income and could push you into a higher tax bracket.

  • @bernadinetinker3028
    @bernadinetinker3028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Greed vs Honor

  • @TheDjcarter1966
    @TheDjcarter1966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What Dave is missing is terms of the original deal, if there was no pre payment penalty in the original deal might not be able to charge the penalty, the contract you signed up front is all that matter here as to what you can or can't do, you don't just get to make it up as you go along

  • @SheilaNorthcutt
    @SheilaNorthcutt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone here wants to be wealthy but are mad at the person who has made his wealth and wants to manage it well. Those are goals. When you are finally in a position to own a commercial property that can be sold, then you will want to make sure that it makes money. You don’t buy commercial property to not make money. Believe me, if it was an investment company with this property, that buyer would never have been given the opportunity to own that property.

  • @saelaird
    @saelaird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any good lender issues the terms for early repayment in advance. It shouldn't event be questionable.

  • @shannonland1137
    @shannonland1137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Y’all this weird for Dave to say because of his baby steps plans but his plan can’t over ride a contract they willing signed

  • @Shadowwind4
    @Shadowwind4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That makes sense when you are the financier you lose out on the appreciation of the property because that value is transferred to the recipient of the mortgage. But when you rent it out you keep the monthly income plus you keep the value of the property itself while it appreciates

  • @nura2231
    @nura2231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great advice 👍

  • @billmelater6470
    @billmelater6470 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's all about time. Interest is the price tag to purchase money in the now that you dont have.
    Interest is a reflection of the risk of losing the amount loaned and the amount of time it takes to get it back. However, it goes both ways.
    The lender is doing so for a profit and rightly so. However, the other risk is that their profit is reduced if the borrower pays off their debt quickly.

  • @bronjames4346
    @bronjames4346 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If that is the case , why doesn’t the bank owns actual real estate? And own only mortgages?

  • @igorseprak6177
    @igorseprak6177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Confucius says
    “If you pay your debts off early, you will be sued and will need a lawyer.”

    • @clarifyingquestions
      @clarifyingquestions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is called a business deal. Why would I lend you 750k? What Is in it for me? INTEREST. sheesh

    • @2MasterBuilder2
      @2MasterBuilder2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@clarifyingquestions ... and the interest payments STOP when the loan is paid off. Why would I want to pay YOU more money than I have to if I have the means to pay off the debt early? It's a business deal for me too ...

    • @clarifyingquestions
      @clarifyingquestions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@2MasterBuilder2 You would not, so read your contract before signing as in most cases you will be required to pay a penalty if you pay off your loan early. Of course you would not want to, so up to you what you agree to do. It s just business.

  • @mikemesser4326
    @mikemesser4326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd look at the appreciation of the house in value and seek that as a minimum for compensation for early payoff. The property has an internal rate of return that the seller could have made had he kept the property as a rental.

    • @judymckee5992
      @judymckee5992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Commercial property, I can see trouble brewing!

  • @kramsenoj1
    @kramsenoj1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let them refinance if they pay your loss of interest.

  • @zacharyfair6738
    @zacharyfair6738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    so you have a deal/agreement and yet you are calling in..... seems really simple. Pay off early with 45k fee or just wait two years. what's the point of the contract if you don't use it?

    • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
      @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, he can do this if he wanted too.
      But as long as two parties agree to amend a contract, I see no problem.

  • @barnoluk9272
    @barnoluk9272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why not just ask for the alternative rate and offer to match that?

    • @alaadekhili9229
      @alaadekhili9229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      because if goes the panlty route, he can reinvest the money. it would be more money for him

    • @farzana6676
      @farzana6676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because he can take his penalty and invest his money elsewhere.

    • @collinis1
      @collinis1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      2-3% is nothing

    • @dedalliance1
      @dedalliance1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because inflation is more than 2-3%

  • @Walkingwithjordan214
    @Walkingwithjordan214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This call makes Dave’s morals crystal clear...

    • @TR0LLREIGN
      @TR0LLREIGN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      care to elaborate? not attacking you, I'm really curious what you mean

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TR0LLREIGN
      He is not exactly being a nice person with those comments and cannot see what is happening to the caller in this and wants to use it to attack Dave.

  • @itsmeayanna
    @itsmeayanna 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if they were paying cash for it then what would you do?

    • @2MasterBuilder2
      @2MasterBuilder2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He would have taken the money. The borrower has already padded his greedy pockets by $45K over the cash price and he still wants to charge a penalty for prepayment. Unbelievable. He should be happy that his property is being paid off and he managed to collect $45k in one year. What a greedy scumbag ...

  • @terryjanssen316
    @terryjanssen316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you have a renter you have to fix the toilet / ac / plumbing / elect etc..

    • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
      @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not always, depends on the contract.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You build that those costs into the financing of said investment.

  • @PatrickBaldwin1
    @PatrickBaldwin1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Missed the big one what does the contract say?

  • @DavidEVogel
    @DavidEVogel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never heard of a lender would not let you pay off a debt early. Is that even legal? The lender says "Not thank you. I don’t want you money."

  • @willrevels9909
    @willrevels9909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tax implications?

  • @Libra8410
    @Libra8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Dave is just saying this because he's a property owner. Unbelievable

    • @bonez2450
      @bonez2450 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unbelievable in a good way or bad? I don't get it

    • @MrEvilTag
      @MrEvilTag 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bonez2450 very bad scumbag way

    • @SheilaNorthcutt
      @SheilaNorthcutt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or he could have sold the property to someone who just paid him outright.

    • @2MasterBuilder2
      @2MasterBuilder2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SheilaNorthcutt ... and he would have only gotten $700K for it. He's already collected $45K in interest over the past year and he's about to get the full pay off amount ...

  • @michael.a.covington
    @michael.a.covington 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm a little puzzled that Dave didn't say, "Of course a lender should let a borrower pay off the debt early." Is the Dave Ramsey Plan only for borrowers, not for lenders?

    • @morrigan908
      @morrigan908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Not if they signed a contract that stated they could not prepay before two years. Why does everyone here seem to think that contracts should be violated just because they don't personally like them?

    • @michael.a.covington
      @michael.a.covington 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@morrigan908 Good point, but the lender is asking whether to dispense them from that requirement, and I would have thought Dave would consider it a bad requirement, since it obligates people to stay in debt.

    • @JosephDickson
      @JosephDickson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This bugged me too. It's contrary to his entire system and makes me wonder how committed Dave is to the Baby Steps. 🤣

    • @michael.a.covington
      @michael.a.covington 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​ @Joseph Dickson At the same time, the lender has incurred some expenses -- maybe altered the selling price -- in view of receiving that interest income. So I can see both sides here.

    • @shannonland1137
      @shannonland1137 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have no problem with them paying it off but there was a agreement for a two year profit the pay off is now before than

  • @janicenunn8525
    @janicenunn8525 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would also get a new attorney, attorney should be putting prepayment penalty in original contract, SOP in many instances.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sounds like he as a client was softballing the deal to make it easy. I think it simply is not worth the risk that he has taken for such a small return.
      I would be aiming for 12% returns. In my business when I sell assets such a deal would be looking at about 20%.
      What the seller was doing was absolute madness.

  • @Silverado08JP
    @Silverado08JP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I thought Dave wanted ppl to pay things off. 🤔 sounds like he is siding for the guy to get more money what does it matter if he got his property pay for?

    • @DaMainDude
      @DaMainDude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Well, Dave is also a man of his word. A contract was made there, don't forget that.

    • @pagalhokya
      @pagalhokya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly. Interest is an evil tool used by the rich to stay rich and to keep the poor poor by making them pay for something more than it's actually worth, even if they don't need the extra cash.

    • @ruthhnry
      @ruthhnry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@pagalhokya then don't get a loan... have the capital and buy the property in CASH. People who don't have cash but want to buy something have no choice but to take the interest.

    • @lindoindo26
      @lindoindo26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DaMainDude then by this same logic we shouldn’t pay off our cars quickly or our own homes since we have a contract in place with those lenders.

    • @45step54
      @45step54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lindoindo26 You're missing the point. Some contracts have a clause that disallows early repayment or imposes penalties for early repayment. In contrast, standard mortgages do not contain such clauses, and therefore, you pay no fees or penalties for paying off the debt early

  • @sunnydays4966
    @sunnydays4966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I sold my house land contract but the land contract I end selling land contract to realitor. I fell rip off but I call a lawyer and everything was big cost.

  • @rahulshah1408
    @rahulshah1408 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Win win - excellent advice.

  • @bobschnittman2856
    @bobschnittman2856 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave and Anthony are so smart

    • @dec1slh
      @dec1slh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      AO is great on his own channel, but he doesn't contribute much when he's sitting next to Dave.

  • @philipgerry5228
    @philipgerry5228 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seller can take payment and invest it at 9-10%

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Easily and with a risk that he took on for that property he should have been aiming for 12% returns.

  • @goodone8041
    @goodone8041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dave Ramsey: Paying Interest Is Bad idea
    Dave Ramsey: Charging Interest is Not a Bad Idea

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because he is not an actual institution he is an individual who stands to lose out. It is really the caller who is putting most of the risk in and getting a low reward for his effort.

  • @KidCity1985
    @KidCity1985 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Take the money and run!

  • @TyinAlaska
    @TyinAlaska 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave, I love you, brother, but your advice isn't helpful here The caller is acting entitled to the $45k, but hasn't mentioned a clause that ensures this capital in his name. The caller states that his loanee (borrower) was disallowed to repay the loan for two years, but that the two years has lapsed. The loaner (caller) has no right in contract, or otherwise to reject repayment of the residual amount of the loan. Setting up a negotiation for an early payoff fee is illegal unless expressly claused in the loan contract.

  • @Papawforreal
    @Papawforreal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wow! Did not expect Dave to say this. Kinda douchebaggy. Just let them pay it off and invest the money. Dave always says that u can earn like 12% in a good mutual fund. Very disappointed in this answer.😕

    • @jacobg8640
      @jacobg8640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's in the long term. There's a much higher risk of facing a negative return over just a single year period. If the guy agreed in writing that he wouldn't pay it off that early, then I can see where he's coming from. Still it does seem hypocritical. I don't know.

    • @rickshaw3397
      @rickshaw3397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ya I agree. I've wondered about some of his advice before. I thought he portrayed himself as a Christian. This whole "try and get as much out of someone as you can" isnt a message I've read from the bible.

    • @jacobg8640
      @jacobg8640 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sagheer Ahmed It's a very bad loan, but the guy agreed to it. Best thing to do is renegotiate. Even if it is greedy for the lender to do this, it is within his rights.

  • @nicholeknight1893
    @nicholeknight1893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow unbelievable.

  • @Lon1001
    @Lon1001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The guy sounds like a grade A user. This is usery. If he had a early payoff clause he would simply stick with it, if there is no clause then he doesn't get control over when they pay it off. If he wanted to keep control of the property he should have rented it out or kept it.
    edit: so caller did mention it was a tenure loan, that changes things. So then his dilemma is "should I accept their proposal to pay the remaining principal" or "do I stick with our contract". Dave's advice is negotiate the payoff penalty, if they still want to pay it off early you are still ahead and can likely get a better rate of return anyways.

  • @fhuber7507
    @fhuber7507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always allow them to pay early.

  • @patty109109
    @patty109109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Take the money, invest it, move on.

  • @DarknessFalls29
    @DarknessFalls29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's not cool that he's now trying to switch up on them because he's going to lose out on interest if they payoff the loan early. If I was the borrower, I'd say no way.

    • @cynthiagraham4046
      @cynthiagraham4046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You didn’t listen closely did you? The borrower agreed to the deal. The borrower is the one trying to get out of the arrangement. 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @DarknessFalls29
      @DarknessFalls29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cynthiagraham4046 Loud and clear. What you didn't pay attention to is him wanting to restructure the deal so he can get more money. Now, keep it moving.

    • @darksoulenvoy932
      @darksoulenvoy932 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarknessFalls29 Bloop!

    • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
      @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DarknessFalls29
      Get more money how?
      If he wanted to get the most money possible he could just hold the other party to the contract and make 45k.
      He is taking a loss! Of about 25k, by doing a nice thing.

  • @hbarudi
    @hbarudi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No you should accept early payment and close this loan, we need LESS DEBT in this world not more.

  • @bigblue4364
    @bigblue4364 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Take the money and go put it to work elsewhere, 6.5% isn't exactly stellar, If you use the money wisely you can probably go make more than the 45k you "Lost", I don't think there's a need to get greedy here.
    There's also a ""Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" to consider I suppose.

  • @ConceptHut
    @ConceptHut 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weird not letting payoff things early. Very strange...

  • @shola7987
    @shola7987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Well ain't this ironic lol smh

  • @tyndni
    @tyndni 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL the attorney won out of this and made the most money

  • @dbleongray
    @dbleongray 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn't tell him nothing in the conversation. Its just a deal. I signed the contract. Did we agree to a penalty provision in the beginning?. I called your bluff. You just want my $45000

    • @mroberts566
      @mroberts566 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What’s wrong with that? Yes, I want what you agreed to pay me.

  • @MrKewlplayer
    @MrKewlplayer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    45k in interest..I would get another loan too. Who wants to pay all that interest.

  • @ThatPrestige
    @ThatPrestige 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I’m from El Paso 😂 wonder what commercial building is worth almost a million

    • @twiWright25
      @twiWright25 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol I was thinking the same thing

    • @yashdes1
      @yashdes1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lots of them probably to be honest

    • @beatrizjimenez3594
      @beatrizjimenez3594 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe in the West Side? I'm from El Paso too.

    • @ThatPrestige
      @ThatPrestige 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yashdes1 i just wanna meet the owner and give him a high five for paying it off sooner haha

    • @JoshPendergrassFilms
      @JoshPendergrassFilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      From there as well, more than you’d think lol commercial real estate is expensive especially west side

  • @joemeyer2726
    @joemeyer2726 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would charge a $20k early repayment penalty

    • @mroberts566
      @mroberts566 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s fair. I mean this buyer got a property that produces $8k/month for only $750k; he should be plenty happy. That type of return in commercial real estate is uncommon.

  • @marcusjohn6654
    @marcusjohn6654 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    just take the money!

  • @qwkartist
    @qwkartist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is probably the most shady call I’ve ever heard on here and advice given from Dave.

    • @igorseprak6177
      @igorseprak6177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ramsey is turning greedy and shady...

    • @fkillah
      @fkillah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Idiot. They had an agreement and they are working out a solution so both sides can win. What if you were the landlord? Your okay with losing $45k after financing the loan for them

    • @qwkartist
      @qwkartist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fkillah if there is nothing in the contract about a penalty of paying it off early I have to be

    • @fkillah
      @fkillah 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qwkartist did you even watch the video? they mentioned multiple times that there was a penalty for paying off the loan early.

  • @lacyoconnell8334
    @lacyoconnell8334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    goodbye- my debt forever.

  • @cupcakeproductions667
    @cupcakeproductions667 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Closing to zero debt thanks to the staff. 🍻

  • @mazibukomail
    @mazibukomail 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time I see Dave being stumped.

  • @judymckee5992
    @judymckee5992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will take the money and invest as I am in your situation but my borrower can only pay next year. Commercial property, I take my cash. Next year my cash is losing more purchasing power. Right now I will buy this stock NLST $50k out off the $700k and MMEX another $50k. The rest, cash on the sideline.

  • @CaseyBurnsInvesting
    @CaseyBurnsInvesting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love how Dave knows how to help Investors big and small. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt

    • @rg8162
      @rg8162 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’m tired of seeing you.

    • @Matzes
      @Matzes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Man you are everywhere. Stop following me

    • @And1one757
      @And1one757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rg8162 🤣🤣

    • @appleforever6664
      @appleforever6664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SPAMMER!

  • @MiguelHernandez-rw4xu
    @MiguelHernandez-rw4xu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Off course they got a better loan

  • @minkusmaz
    @minkusmaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you even allowed to not accept early repayment of loans? Is that legal?

    • @minkusmaz
      @minkusmaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smileleialoha Do you know if that is a common clause to include?

    • @edwardmauer7442
      @edwardmauer7442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@minkusmaz It's a grey area and not an issue that often comes up. Financial institutions are usually more than happy to accept early payment from borrowers. However, an agreement between two private individuals... they should have a clause in writing if the borrower wants to pay early. Absent any clause, I'd have to side with the lender here strictly from a legal perspective. If you want to be a good guy then you accept.

    • @minkusmaz
      @minkusmaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rob-fb5xs Yet another gift to high finance from the plebes

    • @dylanarnold1770
      @dylanarnold1770 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many commercial loans have a prepayment penalty. Especially SBA Loans.

  • @almi2232
    @almi2232 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    69% interest rate?? Did I hear that correctly? What a greedy lender.

  • @bk_deltor9155
    @bk_deltor9155 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Dave, do i want my money back?" 🙄

  • @Crew4Life
    @Crew4Life 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Daahhhhhh, person is right to pay it off

    • @crumperdumpy
      @crumperdumpy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ignore deleted one if you can still see it lol, read your comment wrong

    • @cynthiagraham4046
      @cynthiagraham4046 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is not the question. This man sold another his property and the person agreed to a contract. The second agreed to payments for a minimum of two years so the original owner earned his return. Simple.

  • @luchadordecocina5106
    @luchadordecocina5106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I thought the whole idea is to pay off loans as fast as you can?

    • @clarifyingquestions
      @clarifyingquestions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is.

    • @fkillah
      @fkillah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is but you clearly don’t comprehend this situation. Watch it again

    • @DaveSmith-kb5nk
      @DaveSmith-kb5nk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The goal is to make money, and if someone is in debt to you then the best way to make money is have them paying interest for as long as possible. If the contract states they must pay for two years then that is that. Making the interest is why lenders do it, it's not a charity.

  • @quarterlimit5838
    @quarterlimit5838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wow. Sticking the screws to people who want to pay off early. Classy

    • @Archer5891
      @Archer5891 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      listening to the whole video before commenting is classy.

    • @quarterlimit5838
      @quarterlimit5838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did. Still voiced my opinion. Fancy that.

    • @DaveSmith-kb5nk
      @DaveSmith-kb5nk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well the lender only sold the property under the expectation that he would receive interest, this is not a charity.

    • @quarterlimit5838
      @quarterlimit5838 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I disagree with that line of thinking completely. If he wanted that extra 43k then it should be in the asking up front price. Yes I know how loans work, and I will always and forever think it’s a slimeball move to punish people who want to pay a loan off early and are penalized for it.

    • @Archer5891
      @Archer5891 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dont get stuck in the mud

  • @tomvonneefe4269
    @tomvonneefe4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally for the first time we get to hear Dave stand up for the big guy instead of the little guy.

  • @ryanballiet9435
    @ryanballiet9435 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Usury

  • @juansanchez7769
    @juansanchez7769 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow 🤩

  • @wbrown103
    @wbrown103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Guy sounds greedy to me