One of the main edicts behind this movie was, "Nobody dies." The fans had been put through so much in the previous 2 films -- Spock dies, the _Enterprise_ is destroyed, Kirk's son David sacrifices himself -- that the producers felt the fans deserved a reward for their loyalty. It is by far the most lighthearted _Trek_ film.
In the original script, the punk on the bus suffered a massive stroke and died as a result of the Vulcan neck pinch. His family pressed charges and the climax of the movie was an intense court drama. The whales or the probe are never mentioned again.
Woohoo. I always loved this one. I met Jimmy Doohan at a convention once and during the questions section someone asked him his favorite line he had, and he did the line for us and we all lost it. “Admiral, there be whales here”. That was wonderful.
@@michaelbailey4693 that certainly is the right city and while I can’t recall the year, it would have been around then and I don’t know if we had more than one in many years he’d have been at.
@@michaelbailey4693 yep. He really belted out the line, and the crowd roared. I asked him what kind of cologne he wore (I bet my friend he was an Old Spice man), and he answered "soap and water."
@@footofjuniper8212 he seemed like a very genuine and nice man. I was a teenager and he was as nice and as gracious as could be. I should go find the autographed picture he signed for me.
It was nominated for 4 Oscars; Best Cinematography Best Sound Effects Best Original Score Best Sound Effects Editing. It made $133 million dollars against a $26 million dollar budget. Its now considered to be one of the best Star Trek movies ever made.
It is responsible for the whole, even numbered Star Trek movies are the good ones. Can't say that if the next even numbered one wasn't as good as Wrath of Khan. And personally I love Undiscovered Country. It was the first Star Trek movie I saw in the theater and I still remember going to it with my dad when I was little.
Doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney and Admiral There Be Whales Here are both hilarious lines. Dr. McCoy was a comedic highlight in this film.
McCoy was my least favorite character when I was a child watching TOS (back in the 60's) but now as an adult he is actually my favorite central character. McCoy and Spock are almost physical representations of Kirks thought process and conflict with Spock representing Kirks Intelligence and logic and McCoy representing Kirks heart, humanity, and moral center.
Fun fact: There are no whales in this movie. Strike that - there's one shot of real whales: the one near the end where you see one of them breaching from a distance. EVERY other shot of whales was FX, using massive puppets. The FX were so good that _animal rights groups_ started investigations into the movie. Also, the punk on the bus was Kirk Thatcher, one of the film's producers. He wrote the song that's playing on his boombox, "I Hate You". :D
@@captainbryce1 that was nice of him. But I wouldn't have anything to do with that bad series. People used to complain that Picard wasn't Picard in the next generation films. But now Picard is radically different from anything we've seen before and so is the federation. It's a dark dismal future and Picard is an a******. I won't have anything to do with that series because it doesn't resemble anything that Gene Roddenberry and DC Fontana imagine for the Star Trek future.
@@BondFreek I will at least watch a few episodes of Picard for myself. But if they took TNG and made it that dark there is no way I could get behind it. I love the original series and TNG and I have been watching the show since I was a child. My father is a giant Trekkie. I just love the show.
There ARE whales in the movie. But none of the footage they shot for the movie were real. Theres moments of stock footage that are of real whales near the end. This is fact not conjecture.
As a life long resident of the Bay Area this one was extra special when it came out. I saw it in a theater in Hayward opening week. I still remember the audience clapping during the hospital chase scene when they beamed out of the elevator.
I remember that too. I also remember the entire audience applauding at the initial title card honoring the crew of the Challenger. As a lifelong resident of the Monterey Bay area, I enjoyed seeing the Cetacean Institute, AKA the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
This is my favorite Star Trek movie! The "fish out of water" angle allowed the entire crew to be funny without feeling forced and Spock's journey to normalcy was the best part imo
This is Trek at its best! This movie is my favorite of ALL the Trek movies. No villian, nobody dies, and a relevant (for the time) social message. Nimoy did a great job with this one. It made me happy to see you enjoy it!
Leonard Nimoy wanted to "kick back and do a caper" and he delivered just that. I love the remote controlled whale models they used for the underwater shots.
The Enterprise 1701A was originally the USS Yorktown. It was a test bed used for testing the transwarp drive components before they were placed in the Excelsior. It had never seen actually service except to test drives. So when the Enterprise was destroyed Starfleet changed its name and put it into service as the replacement Enterprise. It was the last Constitution class ship built. Unlike earlier Constitution class ships it was built all the Enterprise refits from the first movie already installed.
The identity of the ship before she became Enterprise is somewhat convoluted. For one, Yorktown was one of the original Constitution-class cruisers during TOS. Some sources state that Enterprise-A was originally named Taiho.
@@busimagen The only canon sources are the films and TV shows. Nothing else - literature, comics, games, technical manuals, etc. - is. ESPECIALLY in the NuTrek era where even previous series and films are routinely ignored.
The part where Chekhov and Uhura were asking about where they could find the nuclear “wessels”, they were asking real people about it in the street who had no idea it was for a Star Trek film. The cop’s disbelief about a Russian asking for American naval bases was real XD.
if that was real, you would not get away with it now, in the climate of terrorism. I have read that all the people passing was actually extras, who had been told to ignore the mains actors. Actually, in all scenes, everything is set up and planned. Film making is a military operation. There would have been a large crew and several cameras on the street. The cop will have been a actor. They may have paid a real cop, but he would have known it was a film.
Adding to this, the woman's line became such a classic response that she was automatically entered into the professional actors guild. At least that is what I remember reading.
Its not entirely true but one of the Extra's did Ad Lib when she did not have a speaking part when she says its across the bay in Alameda. I am pretty sure the cop was an actor and there is no way he would have failed to notice they are in fact filming a movie (he would have had a huge camera pointing at him after all).
The 💎 of the bunch. _IV_ is alot of things: sci-fi action sequel, comedy caper, message movie, & satire of 1980s America that features no Enterprise, no space battles, no laser fights, no killing, & no arch-villain. None of it should work. It's a testament to Nimoy's intelligence, skill, & moral imagination that it does. _IV_ is a *perfect film* & prime example of "action without violence". It's also a sequel inspired in part by _Voyage Home_ writer & _Wrath of Khan_ director Nicholas Meyer's debut film, the 'HG Wells vs Jack The Ripper' time travel caper: 👉 _Time After Time_ (1979) - starring Malcolm McDowell & the recently deceased David Warner Another perfect film & highly recommended classic for the list, if you dig _IV._
The message of this movie is still very relevant in today's world. Several whale species are endangered and have continued to be hunted. Almost 40 years since this movie came out, and things have not improved very much. It would be nice if humans could evolve to the point that we don't kill intelligent animals for sport, or for industry.
Not entirely true. Since the release of the film, humpback whale population has octuple, and they have been taken off the endangered species list. Interesting note, this was the first Star Trek film to be shown in the Soviet Union. A showing in Moscow was done by the World Wildlife Fund to celebrate a Russian ban on whaling. Harve Bennett, one of the writers, who was in attendance, was amazed Russian found the film as entertaining as American audiences. The crowd's reaction to McCoy's line about the buarecratic mentality was "the single most rewarding moment of my Star Trek life."
@@taylorkeating6884 Humpback populations have improved but Blue whales have decreased. Japan, Norway and Iceland still hunt whales, of which Norway is the worst offender. I mean, it's the 21st century, surely by now humans can find some way to stop killing whales.
@@athos1974 Absolutely true. But unless cost effective substitutes for whatever products they get from killing whales are available, some people will continue doing it.
I've freelanced in so many places in the world, and I assure you, to this day... either I or someone in the office will at some point still pick up a mouse and say "hello compewtah". So much fun watching you slowly see where this movie was going. It stands up so beautifully. Thanks for this one.
Such a great film. Saw this in the theater as an 11 year old. Wasn't a trekkie at that point...at least not yet. Best line of this movie was after Spock stops swearing for awhile and you almost forget about it...then they get in the Bird of Prey again at the end when they were about to go track down the whales and Kirk says, "Spock where the hell is the power you promised me?" and Spock replies, "One damn minute Admiral!" I've seen this movie at least twenty times and it makes me laugh every time.
I made this comment on II, but here it is again: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is a *fantastic* movie, a great Cold War analogy, and my favorite of all the Trek movies. Also, RIP David Warner and Christopher Plummer.
Yes I think the shape of the alien vessel was inspired by "Rendez-Vous with Rama", and yes Shan, you should absolutely read it. Also I've always thought that the small sphere below the huge ship represents a pilot fish, swimming under the "whale" represented by the cilinder.
Rendezvous With Rama really freaked me out when I read it as a teen. It's the only book I've ever read where, essentially, _nothing happens._ It was a real challenge to deal with that. :D
This is the Star Trek movie I’ve seen the most as a kid so it has lots of nostalgia for me. Especially since I live by San Francisco and have been to the aquarium they show in the movie MANY times.
I totally identify with that line! Why? Because a group of us went to Mexico, parked on a side street, and when it was time to go home, nobody could remember where the car was!
I will be interested to see the reactions from Star Trek Generations and the following movies because most people watch them with familiarity of the Star Trek TV shows. So it will be fun to see how someone watching as a first time movie experience rates them on their own merit.
This film was released near the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday weekend in the United States, and overwhelmingly positive word of mouth attracted large numbers of viewers that were not necessarily Star Trek fans prior to watching this. Before the film began, a title card appeared in large white text on a black background reading: "The cast and crew of Star Trek wish to dedicate this film to the men and women of the spaceship Challenger whose creative spirit shall live to the 23rd century and beyond...." ..audiences applauded this dedication in both showings I attended. The NASA Challenger shuttle had been lost in January earlier that year.
This movie is my most favourite Classic Star Trek sequel. I fell in love with everything in it the moment I finished watching it. Such a vintage classic!
Great Reaction Sir. You should lookup the blooper gag real from this movie. Also a non Star Trek movie directed by Nimoy you might like is "Three Men And A Baby"
Mark Leonard and Jane Wyatt portrayed Spock 's parents throughout STOS the TV series, the movies, and STNG, Mark Leonard also portrayed the Romulan Commander in STOS season 1 The Balance of Terror.
By far the funniest of the Star Trek movies and the one with the most rewatchability. The fish out of water script works here because it doesn't feel forced. The crew is just likable and the way their struggle to adapt to the 20th century mentality makes for some hilarious moments.
Dude, some people care about their friends and loved ones more than their job or anything else. Clearly, Gillian is one of those - her relationship with those two beings was the most important thing in her life. It's not shocking or surprising at all, if you've ever had a relationship that mattered to you more than anything else. I found her reactions very believable.
But she literally said she had no one in 1985, so your comment is irrelevant to her motivations. She had no ties to the "present" other than the whales, so it didn't when they where to her.
@@RichO1701e Oh for gods' sakes. SHE HAS THE WHALES. That was the whole POINT of my comment. What, you don't think people can be friends with animals, or care about them, or want to protect them? Did you even WATCH this movie? Because the entire message seems to have zoomed right over your head!
I grew up with re runs of original series and then next generation. This one made me feel like I just saw a really long episode, and it was great to see. Hope for humanity as a whole as we see ourselves in the future trying to be better. Even in taking responsibility for our past selves actions. Give next generation a chance, even if just on your own before watching next gen movies(although you don’t have to). Five is tough, six is great.
Kirk Randolph Thatcher was an associate producer of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and played the part of the music-blasting Punk on Bus in that film. He asked Leonard Nimoy to play the role as he had experience with punk fashion. He is also the one singing the featured song on the boombox 'I hate you'
Enjoyed your reaction a lot. 😊 When I saw this in the theater back in the day, everyone cheered and applauded when the new Enterprise (NCC-1701A) came into view... It was awesome.
And many people cringed when Chekov and Uhura identified the aircraft carrier as the USS Enterprise but it wasn't. It was the USS Ranger. The same carrier used in Top Gun.
The plot of this movie was the most 80s thing they could have done. This was the first one I was old enough to see and appreciate in the theaters. I watched the series before this, but this movie made me a life long Star Trek fan.
Star Trek II, III and IV are actually a nicely done trilogy. From here on, each movie stands alone story wise. Also, before you get to the Next Generation movies (VII and beyond), there are a few episodes of the Next Generation series that you should watch to give you the backstory on certain story elements. I'll have to look up the specific episode numbers, and get back to you on that. Also, at 3:20 - Remember, the difference between a "Freedom Fighter" and a "Terrorist" is a matter of perspective. Both use violence to achieve a political goal. As Palpatine said in Revenge of the Sith: "Good is a point of view." 23:30 - Oh, yes. All of the movies are worth watching. But again, a couple of them have characters/events related to the Next Generation series (like Star Trek II was related to the episode "Space Seed"). However, it's really only a few episodes that you'll need to watch to give you the information you'll need going in. But you've got time for that. The next 2 movies involve only the Original crew. "Generations" is the 'passing of the torch' movie, and from there on out it's the Next Generation crew involved. You can choose to watch the episodes on the channel, or not, although I'd love to see you do them here. There are 10 movies in total, before you get to the "reboot" movies. Frankly, I'm not a fan of those, but of course, you should make up your own mind. Okay, I just looked up the episode list since I have the time: Season 2 Episode 16 "Q-Who" Season 3 Episode 26 "The Best of Both Worlds (part 1) Season 4 Episode 1 "The Best of Both Worlds (part 2) Season 4 Episode 2 "Family" Those should catch you up on everything you'll need to know, prior to starting the Next Generation movies.
I agree with this list of episodes as a primer before starting the Next Generation films. (Do they, collectively, tell us enough about Guinan? Should we add another just for that?)
Shan - Professor Gillian played by Catherine Hicks , joined up later with Stephen Collins on 7 heaven TV show . Steven Collins was in Star Trek the motion Picture.
It was a no brainer for them to decide on the setting to be San Francisco and Sausalito because Starfleet Command is in the Presidio of San Francisco and Starfleet Academy is just across the Golden Gate Bridge in Sausalito. And at the time of the movies release, they time traveled to our present. I think i saw this in the theaters the same day i also watched Back to the Future. What a day it was.
The Voyage Home is my favorite ST film. I love how the rest of the crew finally gets some real screen time. I love the Scotty computer scene. Get's me every time. 😂😂
Yeah,like you said everyone had good screen time in this film.I also LOVED all the different,modern locations used in the movie.Especially aboard a real aircraft carrier !!! I did 4 yrs Navy and did time on 2 aircraft carriers.
Bit of trivia for you, Shan: The punk rocker on the bus was played by one of the associate producers of the film, Kirk Thatcher, who also co-wrote, recorded and sang the song playing on the boombox with one of the sound editors. Once he learned about the character during the writing process, he convinced Leonard Nimoy to give him the role, and actually clipped and dyed his hair into the pseudo-mohawk, and bought the clothes. He also was the guy who came up with the gag where Scotty talks into the mouse on the Macintosh. Additionally, he worked with the Creature Shop on Return of the Jedi, wrote for The Muppets, and a whole lot more stuff. Super-interesting guy.
Leonard Rosenman, who composed the score, also created the score for the animated "Lord of the Rings" movie in 1978. A portion of the "Star Trek IV" opening/closing credits music is some of the music he used in "The Dawn Battle; Theoden's Victory" section of the LOTR movie, but slightly changed around. I saw "Star Trek IV" when it was released, and I knew I had heard that music before but couldn't place it at first. I had to rack my brain for a while before I finally realized the LOTR connection. Both movies had good scores.
Yeah they are to get to First Contact as that is when the Next Gen. cast get their very first stand alone movie debut (Generations obviously being made as the handover point from original to Next Gen. cast), and First Contact is universally agreed by majority critics and fans as the best of the Next Generation era by far. Just like Wrath of Khan was and indeed this one ST4 Voyage Home was, First Contact was a milestone and marker of a high point that Star Trek reached which won't go into any more detail to avoid spoilers for this reactor. But after that after First Contact I just would love to know what happened in the rooms of power at Paramount cause First Contact onwards the subsequent Star Trek Next Gen. movies seemed to get more and more just, bland boring etc. For me anyhow and I know again lot of people even though they still may say like the ones after that still are much weaker entries especially compared to First Contact. It was like, Star Trek was on another high of First Contact and then after that, the movie saga just went on a slow downward trajectory resulting in - the reboot territory and ST. movies/ tv series world we now have - which not a fan of and Gene himself wouldn't call the Star Trek of meaning and substance with - the flashy stuff he gave birth to!
@@DeltaAssaultGaming First Contact is great, I don't care about what reviwes Saïd (even when sone, trust me, only say good things about It), I rather have my own opinion.
According to TV Tropes trivia section, the Probe model was built for an intended Rendezvous with Rama film that was in development hell. Another piece of trivia: Someone wondered if people dressed as the cast was would attract undue attention walking around San Fransisco. So they got people to wander around San Francisco for a week in the costumes. They didn't get any comments.
This was cowritten by Nick Meyer, who wrote/directed Treks 2 and 6. Worth checking out his 1979 movie Time After Time...which is oddly similar to this.
I loved the McDonald's scene. And he wrote a scene ragging on punk rock but it just did not land on screen. (I actually like punk rock if it's Ramones style, but the song Kirk Thatcher was listening to, done by his own band Edge of Etiquette, was a parody of those bands that made the Sex Pistols seem as optimistic as The Carpenters.)
Since you asked to comment on it, the Next Generation movies are worth watching and reacting to. Their quality is variable, but you should make your own judgment. It should however be noted that movie No. 8 is a sequel to three episodes of the TV show (”Q Who?” and ”The Best Of Both Worlds, parts I & II), which you should watch beforehand (you might even consider watching them before movie 7 to familiarize yourself with the characters a bit)
The Title has a double meaning. „Home“ would refer to Earth in most instances, but to Kirk and his Crew, the _Enterprise_ is their home among the stars.
11:43 This was "guerilla filmmaking" with the actors approaching actual passerby, then asking them later if they don't mind being "extras" (for their scene) later on. Filmmaking at it's very finest IMO.
Star Trek II, III, and IV defined my childhood almost as much as the Star Wars original trilogy. Yes, while I was in grade school during the 80's I was both a Treckie and a hardcore star wars fan. It's possible.
All Next Generation movies are worth watching with First Contact being the big one that helped to finish Picard’s story arc from the TV series. Do make sure to watch Generations first because it bridges the gap between the old and new crews.
Wonderful reaction, Shan! I loved your excitement as the time travel plot was revealed. After watching your reactions to the previous films, I was definitely anticipating your viewing of The Voyage Home. I hope you're up for watching the Next Generation films as well as the two remaining originals.
I was born and raised in San Francisco, but I was living out of state when this came out. I made a day trip back just so I could watch it with a local audience.
Shan will most likely be very disappointed in the next movie, gonna just watch his review part of #5(That movie really stunk IMO, and I'm a real Trekker fan)- however #6 will make up for that 100%!!!
Part 6 is so much better if you can remember the political world at that time, and all the events from Chernobyl, the eventual end of the Cold War and all that.
I love that you mentioned Rendezvous with Rama, it's a bit of an urban legend (not sure if it's true or not) that the miniature for the probe originally was created for an abandoned film/TV adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke's novel.
For me, the best fun fact about this film was when animal protection associations did come after the production team/studio, etc for putting two wales in danger during filming and they show that it was all animatronics and special effects. And I, before seeing the documentaries about this film, after buying the DVD, always thought that they had used live wales for the film.
Time travel (slingshot method) was introduced in TOS episode "the naked time" The Enterprize A was a ship already in service (or maybe a decommissioned ship) and was renamed "Enterprize" and call number remaining the same except for adding alphabetic counting "A" on the end. The remaining ST films are more like TOS episodes with Kirk finally being Captain of the Enterprise once again... and are very watchable and very much like TOS episodes. I think they are better than the past movies with exception to "ST2 the rath of Kahn"
Depending on the book you read the Enterprise A was originally called either the Ti-Ho or the Yorktown. It was a test bed for drive components that were made for the excelsior. Unlike earlier Constitution class ships, it was built from the beginning as an "Enterprise Refit" design.
@@RetroRobotRadio The Undiscovered Country is a great standalone film, not like The Final Frontier or Insurrection which do indeed feel like extended TV episodes rather than films.
A correction: The first time the,"sling shot" method was used was in the first season episode, "Tomorrow is Yesterday." The second time it was used was in the second season episode, "Assignment: Earth" where the crew meet, Gary Seven. The Naked Time episode used a different method for time travel which involved a new inter mix formula to speed up the restart the engines.
@@germanshepherdguy Well then the internet is wrong. I couldn't remember the episode and I did a quick look up. I don't count Assignment Earth because you never actually see them do it and that episode was to introduce Gary 7 as they wanted to give him a spin off show, but it never worked
@@RetroRobotRadio Yes, the last I knew it was the Yorktown at one time years ago... so I kept it a little vague as it gave our guy the most important info instead of thinking they started a new Enterprize from the keel up in record time. It does make more sense to have the Ti Ho when Scotty says "this new Enterprize must have been built buy monkeys". Was the Yorktown decommissioned??? It doesn't make sense that they would just kick a capt and crew off of a ship in service
My 2 cents’ contribution to my most favourite ST movie sequel: the 2 chasing cops in the hospital scene might be a wry nod to William Shatner’s role as a cop in the tv series TJ Hooker which incidentally ended its run in 1985, the year this movie went into production.
The part you said was "the most unrealistic", actually is very accurate to what would happen if an intruder was found aboard a US aircraft carrier. That wasn't the US Navy chasing Chekov, it was the Marine Detachment. Actual members of the ships MarDet were cast as extras in the film, and the sailors getting out of the way is 100% accurate, or else they would have been butt-stroked and knocked to the ground. I know, I served as a member of the MarDet aboard a Navy aircraft carrier in the mid 1980's (not the Enterprise though).
Kirk Thatcher played the punk on the bus. He also wrote and performed the punk song you hear playing on his boom box. He had been working at Industrial light and Magic and was a production assistant on this film and was given the small cameo. Toady he is a successful writer and producer.
Star Trek V is generally considered to be the weakest of the first six and its not hard to disagree but it has many good points that make it worthwhile. And I can't be too hard on it because most of its weakpoints can be traced back to its very troubled production. Star Trek VI is definately worth checking out, as are the four Next Gen-Films ("First Contact" in particular).
We need to face some cold hard realities. The only two great Star Trek films are the first two. The others are mostly enjoyable but sometimes downright silly to the point of being a distraction. IV, V and VI are guilty of this. Which is why I wrote to Meyer and told him The Undiscovered Country was ultimately a failure. He didn't write back.
The TNG movie Generations is also technically a classic movie since it does have the original series crew in the beginning, and Kirk is important to the plot. Otherwise, First Contact is the only TNG movie that's worth watching, IMO. Sort of.
The punk on the bus was one of the film’s producers. He composed the “I Hate You!” song that was playing on his boom box. He reprised the character in a cameo during the new Picard series.
5 has its moments. Particularly at the end when Kirk questions...well, that would be telling. It does have some wonderful scenes with the characters at the beginning. But the effects are easily the worst of the franchise and there are some truly cringe worthy moments.
Roddenberry hated it, and even petitioned to have not released. It was against everything Star Trek stood for. Ironic that Shatner has the nerve to criticize the current Star Trek shows.
ST5 has some good moments in it, I'll give it that much. However overall...it was quite a let down compared to how ST4 was for myself. I know I only saw ST5 once in the theatre and then only again on video at a friends place. To date, I haven't tried to collect the ST movies on DVD. Perhaps one day.
Transparent Aluminum is now real. Transparent Aluminum (ALON) is used for making armored windows and optical lenses. It's also used for manufacturing bulletproof glasses, infrared (IR) domes, refractories, insulators, and heat radiation plates.
I think could work entirely on their own, but even if he just watched a couple of episodes (Pilot, Best of Both Worlds, and All Good Things...) his experience would be much better. Of course there are dozens of other episodes I'd love to see, but that's not very practical to recommend.
I think they're worth watching to be in the know. Personally I kinda like 5 though it's generally hated, then 6 is praised again, 7 is worth watching for the canon continuity. 8 is a good piece of action with some character moments. I'm not really fond of 9/10 tbh.
The concept of slingshotting around the sun is actually based in reality. NASA used and uses gravitational slingshots around planets for Voyager and their other probes to cut down on the time taken to get to their destinations.
15:10 The funny thing is that "transparent aluminium" exists for real now, many medium to high end watches and some smartphones use sapphire tough glass, sapphire is a form of aluminium oxide.
Shan - the old Enterprise NCC-1701 was origionally a Constution class starship and was REFIT in the 22nd century instead of Decomissioning (at the time was Customary ) in the 23rd century NEW class of ship (ENTERPRISE class) which was a entire NEW ship built from Ground up , the USS Ti-Ho completed Space Trials of the ship and the NEW Transwarp nacells , and the NCC 1701-A is the rebadged USS Ti-Ho as a thank you from Starfleet . the 1701-A is a Brand NEW ship built from the Ground up and not a Refit like the old Enterprise.
I grew up watching Star Trek (TOS) as a youngster and this ST movie has always been my favorite because of the humor . My favorite scene is when Scotty says ,"Hello computer" into the mouse !
Ｐrobably my favorite of the original series, followed by Ｓtar Ｔrek VI. After Star Trek VI, there's a "transitionary" movie that "passes the torch" called Star Trek Generations. Then followed by the first full TNG movie "FIRST CONTACT" which was probably the best of all the TNG movies. After that, I'd give it a miss.
One of the main edicts behind this movie was, "Nobody dies." The fans had been put through so much in the previous 2 films -- Spock dies, the _Enterprise_ is destroyed, Kirk's son David sacrifices himself -- that the producers felt the fans deserved a reward for their loyalty. It is by far the most lighthearted _Trek_ film.
Fascinating! I heard Nimoy insisted on that or he wouldn't' direct (for the same reasons you mention) ah well, it's all hearsay I guess!
In the original script, the punk on the bus suffered a massive stroke and died as a result of the Vulcan neck pinch. His family pressed charges and the climax of the movie was an intense court drama. The whales or the probe are never mentioned again.
A lighthearted Trek film, but one with one of the better science fiction premises.
Woohoo. I always loved this one. I met Jimmy Doohan at a convention once and during the questions section someone asked him his favorite line he had, and he did the line for us and we all lost it. “Admiral, there be whales here”. That was wonderful.
Was that convention in Indiana in the 90s? Because I was about to make the same comment! Maybe he was asked that question everywhere...
I went to a convention in Evansville, IN in '94 where Doohan was a guest. I wonder if that was the same one you went to? Doohan was a joy.
@@michaelbailey4693 that certainly is the right city and while I can’t recall the year, it would have been around then and I don’t know if we had more than one in many years he’d have been at.
@@michaelbailey4693 yep. He really belted out the line, and the crowd roared. I asked him what kind of cologne he wore (I bet my friend he was an Old Spice man), and he answered "soap and water."
@@footofjuniper8212 he seemed like a very genuine and nice man. I was a teenager and he was as nice and as gracious as could be. I should go find the autographed picture he signed for me.
It was nominated for 4 Oscars;
Best Cinematography
Best Sound Effects
Best Original Score
Best Sound Effects Editing.
It made $133 million dollars against a $26 million dollar budget.
Its now considered to be one of the best Star Trek movies ever made.
It is responsible for the whole, even numbered Star Trek movies are the good ones. Can't say that if the next even numbered one wasn't as good as Wrath of Khan. And personally I love Undiscovered Country. It was the first Star Trek movie I saw in the theater and I still remember going to it with my dad when I was little.
It is the best Star Trek movie ever made and one of the best Sci Fi movies in general.
Didn't know any of these facts,thanks for sharing.Made 133 million ??? WOW.Off a 26 mil budget ??Impressive.
The BEST Star Trek movie ever made is "Galaxy Quest."
@@StarShine-Ranch junk movie
Doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney and Admiral There Be Whales Here are both hilarious lines. Dr. McCoy was a comedic highlight in this film.
Wait you went in with a woman one little mistake
McCoy was my least favorite character when I was a child watching TOS (back in the 60's) but now as an adult he is actually my favorite central character. McCoy and Spock are almost physical representations of Kirks thought process and conflict with Spock representing Kirks Intelligence and logic and McCoy representing Kirks heart, humanity, and moral center.
"We are looking for the nuclear wessels."
@@Codametal
Dammit you beat me to it 😭🤣
"Cramps."
Fun fact: There are no whales in this movie. Strike that - there's one shot of real whales: the one near the end where you see one of them breaching from a distance. EVERY other shot of whales was FX, using massive puppets. The FX were so good that _animal rights groups_ started investigations into the movie.
Also, the punk on the bus was Kirk Thatcher, one of the film's producers. He wrote the song that's playing on his boombox, "I Hate You". :D
Kirk Thatcher also reprises his role as the Bus Punk in a recent episode of Star Trek Picard!
So cool
@@captainbryce1 that was nice of him. But I wouldn't have anything to do with that bad series. People used to complain that Picard wasn't Picard in the next generation films.
But now Picard is radically different from anything we've seen before and so is the federation. It's a dark dismal future and Picard is an a******. I won't have anything to do with that series because it doesn't resemble anything that Gene Roddenberry and DC Fontana imagine for the Star Trek future.
@@BondFreek I will at least watch a few episodes of Picard for myself. But if they took TNG and made it that dark there is no way I could get behind it. I love the original series and TNG and I have been watching the show since I was a child. My father is a giant Trekkie. I just love the show.
There ARE whales in the movie. But none of the footage they shot for the movie were real. Theres moments of stock footage that are of real whales near the end. This is fact not conjecture.
The funny thing is a few years ago somone irl actually invented transparent aluminum, it's called Aluminum Oxynitride.
Wouldn't be the first time that real-world tech was influenced by Star Trek.
@@Serai3
"How William Shatner Changed the World"
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As a life long resident of the Bay Area this one was extra special when it came out. I saw it in a theater in Hayward opening week. I still remember the audience clapping during the hospital chase scene when they beamed out of the elevator.
I remember that too. I also remember the entire audience applauding at the initial title card honoring the crew of the Challenger. As a lifelong resident of the Monterey Bay area, I enjoyed seeing the Cetacean Institute, AKA the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
This is my favorite Star Trek movie! The "fish out of water" angle allowed the entire crew to be funny without feeling forced and Spock's journey to normalcy was the best part imo
Fun fact: the punk rocker on the bus was played by Kirk Thatcher, who also performed the song being played
This is Trek at its best! This movie is my favorite of ALL the Trek movies. No villian, nobody dies, and a relevant (for the time) social message. Nimoy did a great job with this one. It made me happy to see you enjoy it!
Leonard Nimoy wanted to "kick back and do a caper" and he delivered just that. I love the remote controlled whale models they used for the underwater shots.
The models were so real it upset animal activists. That's a sign of a job well done.
The Enterprise 1701A was originally the USS Yorktown. It was a test bed used for testing the transwarp drive components before they were placed in the Excelsior. It had never seen actually service except to test drives. So when the Enterprise was destroyed Starfleet changed its name and put it into service as the replacement Enterprise. It was the last Constitution class ship built. Unlike earlier Constitution class ships it was built all the Enterprise refits from the first movie already installed.
Interesting. I always wondered how they built a whole new ship in the unknown but relatively short time frame between ST3 and 4!
@@StarShine-Ranch All 3D printed!
The identity of the ship before she became Enterprise is somewhat convoluted. For one, Yorktown was one of the original Constitution-class cruisers during TOS. Some sources state that Enterprise-A was originally named Taiho.
@@busimagen The only canon sources are the films and TV shows. Nothing else - literature, comics, games, technical manuals, etc. - is. ESPECIALLY in the NuTrek era where even previous series and films are routinely ignored.
I REMEMBER GETTING A VERY POSITIVE FEELING AND SENSE AND HOPE FOR THE WORLD AFTER THIS FILM CAME OUT!!
BUT THAT WAS 35 YEARS AGO...
The part where Chekhov and Uhura were asking about where they could find the nuclear “wessels”, they were asking real people about it in the street who had no idea it was for a Star Trek film. The cop’s disbelief about a Russian asking for American naval bases was real XD.
He was actually assigned to help them. He knew what was going on.
if that was real, you would not get away with it now, in the climate of terrorism. I have read that all the people passing was actually extras, who had been told to ignore the mains actors. Actually, in all scenes, everything is set up and planned. Film making is a military operation. There would have been a large crew and several cameras on the street. The cop will have been a actor. They may have paid a real cop, but he would have known it was a film.
This is a cool fact! Thanks for sharing!
Adding to this, the woman's line became such a classic response that she was automatically entered into the professional actors guild. At least that is what I remember reading.
Its not entirely true but one of the Extra's did Ad Lib when she did not have a speaking part when she says its across the bay in Alameda. I am pretty sure the cop was an actor and there is no way he would have failed to notice they are in fact filming a movie (he would have had a huge camera pointing at him after all).
The 💎 of the bunch. _IV_ is alot of things: sci-fi action sequel, comedy caper, message movie, & satire of 1980s America that features no Enterprise, no space battles, no laser fights, no killing, & no arch-villain.
None of it should work.
It's a testament to Nimoy's intelligence, skill, & moral imagination that it does. _IV_ is a *perfect film* & prime example of "action without violence".
It's also a sequel inspired in part by _Voyage Home_ writer & _Wrath of Khan_ director Nicholas Meyer's debut film, the 'HG Wells vs Jack The Ripper' time travel caper:
👉 _Time After Time_ (1979) - starring Malcolm McDowell & the recently deceased David Warner
Another perfect film & highly recommended classic for the list, if you dig _IV._
The message of this movie is still very relevant in today's world. Several whale species are endangered and have continued to be hunted.
Almost 40 years since this movie came out, and things have not improved very much.
It would be nice if humans could evolve to the point that we don't kill intelligent animals for sport, or for industry.
human need to learn
Not entirely true. Since the release of the film, humpback whale population has octuple, and they have been taken off the endangered species list.
Interesting note, this was the first Star Trek film to be shown in the Soviet Union. A showing in Moscow was done by the World Wildlife Fund to celebrate a Russian ban on whaling. Harve Bennett, one of the writers, who was in attendance, was amazed Russian found the film as entertaining as American audiences. The crowd's reaction to McCoy's line about the buarecratic mentality was "the single most rewarding moment of my Star Trek life."
@@taylorkeating6884 Humpback populations have improved but Blue whales have decreased.
Japan, Norway and Iceland still hunt whales, of which Norway is the worst offender.
I mean, it's the 21st century, surely by now humans can find some way to stop killing whales.
@@athos1974 Absolutely true. But unless cost effective substitutes for whatever products they get from killing whales are available, some people will continue doing it.
@@taylorkeating6884 Sadly you are correct.
I've freelanced in so many places in the world, and I assure you, to this day... either I or someone in the office will at some point still pick up a mouse and say "hello compewtah".
So much fun watching you slowly see where this movie was going. It stands up so beautifully. Thanks for this one.
Such a great film. Saw this in the theater as an 11 year old. Wasn't a trekkie at that point...at least not yet. Best line of this movie was after Spock stops swearing for awhile and you almost forget about it...then they get in the Bird of Prey again at the end when they were about to go track down the whales and Kirk says, "Spock where the hell is the power you promised me?" and Spock replies, "One damn minute Admiral!" I've seen this movie at least twenty times and it makes me laugh every time.
I made this comment on II, but here it is again: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is a *fantastic* movie, a great Cold War analogy, and my favorite of all the Trek movies. Also, RIP David Warner and Christopher Plummer.
Whoops! And Nichelle Nichols of course.
@@One_Odd_Ood RIP, Nimoy, Doohan, Kelly... Just Shatner, Takei and Koenig left
Your timing with this is so perfect, to watch this just after the Legend that is Nichelle Nicholes just passed away RIP Uhura
Yes I think the shape of the alien vessel was inspired by "Rendez-Vous with Rama", and yes Shan, you should absolutely read it.
Also I've always thought that the small sphere below the huge ship represents a pilot fish, swimming under the "whale" represented by the cilinder.
Rendezvous With Rama really freaked me out when I read it as a teen. It's the only book I've ever read where, essentially, _nothing happens._ It was a real challenge to deal with that. :D
"Hello computer" I say that all the time at work, I crack myself up! One of my favorite scenes but there are so many in this movie
I find this to be the most rewatchable star trek film. Such a fun ride
Shan, from 1977-82 Nimoy narrated a TV program titled "In Search of ...". It was a very intellectual stimulating syndicated show.
Peak Trek. This one pulled in a big non-Trek audience. More than any other before and probably since too.
I was thinking the same thing. I think this is where the Trek movies peaked. It's all downhill from here....
I remember seeing it in theaters with my mom and sister when I was 9. It was a packed house and the audience loved it.
Probably why it's one of my least favorite Trek movies. It never feels like Star Trek.
"Your associates are people of good character" "They are my friends."
My favourite line of the movie.
This is the Star Trek movie I’ve seen the most as a kid so it has lots of nostalgia for me. Especially since I live by San Francisco and have been to the aquarium they show in the movie MANY times.
I used to go to the Monterey Aquarium too, back in the day. What a great place. :)
@@Serai3 Yeah, kinda funny that the movie shows the Monterey Bay Aquarium as near SF but its really like 2 hours away.
This is my favorite of the series simply because of the humor.
Best line: "Everyone remember where we parked."
I totally identify with that line! Why? Because a group of us went to Mexico, parked on a side street, and when it was time to go home, nobody could remember where the car was!
I will be interested to see the reactions from Star Trek Generations and the following movies because most people watch them with familiarity of the Star Trek TV shows. So it will be fun to see how someone watching as a first time movie experience rates them on their own merit.
This film was released near the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday weekend in the United States, and overwhelmingly positive word of mouth attracted large numbers of viewers that were not necessarily Star Trek fans prior to watching this.
Before the film began, a title card appeared in large white text on a black background reading:
"The cast and crew of Star Trek wish to dedicate this film to the men and women of the spaceship Challenger whose creative spirit shall live to the 23rd century and beyond...."
..audiences applauded this dedication in both showings I attended. The NASA Challenger shuttle had been lost in January earlier that year.
This movie is my most favourite Classic Star Trek sequel. I fell in love with everything in it the moment I finished watching it. Such a vintage classic!
I like when Kirk tastes the Michelob!
15:19 funny thing is… we actually have transparent aluminum now. The writers knew it was possible back then because they did their homework.
Great Reaction Sir. You should lookup the blooper gag real from this movie. Also a non Star Trek movie directed by Nimoy you might like is "Three Men And A Baby"
Mark Leonard and Jane Wyatt portrayed Spock 's parents throughout STOS the TV series, the movies, and STNG, Mark Leonard also portrayed the Romulan Commander in STOS season 1 The Balance of Terror.
A fun fact from this film is that when they're listing the cities losing power, they mention Leningrad, as the Soviet Union had yet to fall.
Maybe it rose again ...?
I mean, Star Trek's timeline is different from ours in a number of ways. Maybe Volgograd is still named Stalingrad in that timeline for some reason?
@@SeraphArmaros that and the eugenics wars of the 90's not happening irl, just the Trek universe.
WW3 is still on the cards tho
By far the funniest of the Star Trek movies and the one with the most rewatchability.
The fish out of water script works here because it doesn't feel forced.
The crew is just likable and the way their struggle to adapt to the 20th century mentality makes for some hilarious moments.
Dude, some people care about their friends and loved ones more than their job or anything else. Clearly, Gillian is one of those - her relationship with those two beings was the most important thing in her life. It's not shocking or surprising at all, if you've ever had a relationship that mattered to you more than anything else. I found her reactions very believable.
But she literally said she had no one in 1985, so your comment is irrelevant to her motivations. She had no ties to the "present" other than the whales, so it didn't when they where to her.
@@RichO1701e Oh for gods' sakes. SHE HAS THE WHALES. That was the whole POINT of my comment. What, you don't think people can be friends with animals, or care about them, or want to protect them? Did you even WATCH this movie? Because the entire message seems to have zoomed right over your head!
I grew up with re runs of original series and then next generation. This one made me feel like I just saw a really long episode, and it was great to see. Hope for humanity as a whole as we see ourselves in the future trying to be better. Even in taking responsibility for our past selves actions. Give next generation a chance, even if just on your own before watching next gen movies(although you don’t have to). Five is tough, six is great.
Fun fact: the punk on the bus returned for a hilarious cameo in an episode on the latest season of Star Trek: Picard.
Kirk Randolph Thatcher was an associate producer of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and played the part of the music-blasting Punk on Bus in that film. He asked Leonard Nimoy to play the role as he had experience with punk fashion. He is also the one singing the featured song on the boombox 'I hate you'
One of the few occasions where Uhura actually had something to do. RIP Nichelle Nichols.
Enjoyed your reaction a lot. 😊 When I saw this in the theater back in the day, everyone cheered and applauded when the new Enterprise (NCC-1701A) came into view... It was awesome.
I saw it back in the day too,had a great time re-watching it with Shan,I was laughing and smiling thru out the movie.
And many people cringed when Chekov and Uhura identified the aircraft carrier as the USS Enterprise but it wasn't. It was the USS Ranger. The same carrier used in Top Gun.
@@Codametal it was the Enterprise in the movie so your comment is irrelevant
This film won an Oscar for best insult. "Double Dumbass". I've actually used that thousands of times to cuss out people on the highway.
Yes
My favorite star trek movie with the original cast.
Keep the reactions coming shan.
The plot of this movie was the most 80s thing they could have done. This was the first one I was old enough to see and appreciate in the theaters. I watched the series before this, but this movie made me a life long Star Trek fan.
Star Trek II, III and IV are actually a nicely done trilogy. From here on, each movie stands alone story wise. Also, before you get to the Next Generation movies (VII and beyond), there are a few episodes of the Next Generation series that you should watch to give you the backstory on certain story elements. I'll have to look up the specific episode numbers, and get back to you on that.
Also, at 3:20 - Remember, the difference between a "Freedom Fighter" and a "Terrorist" is a matter of perspective. Both use violence to achieve a political goal. As Palpatine said in Revenge of the Sith: "Good is a point of view."
23:30 - Oh, yes. All of the movies are worth watching. But again, a couple of them have characters/events related to the Next Generation series (like Star Trek II was related to the episode "Space Seed"). However, it's really only a few episodes that you'll need to watch to give you the information you'll need going in. But you've got time for that. The next 2 movies involve only the Original crew. "Generations" is the 'passing of the torch' movie, and from there on out it's the Next Generation crew involved. You can choose to watch the episodes on the channel, or not, although I'd love to see you do them here. There are 10 movies in total, before you get to the "reboot" movies. Frankly, I'm not a fan of those, but of course, you should make up your own mind.
Okay, I just looked up the episode list since I have the time:
Season 2 Episode 16 "Q-Who"
Season 3 Episode 26 "The Best of Both Worlds (part 1)
Season 4 Episode 1 "The Best of Both Worlds (part 2)
Season 4 Episode 2 "Family"
Those should catch you up on everything you'll need to know, prior to starting the Next Generation movies.
I was about to give you the episodes but then I saw and clicked READ MORE. You got them.
Excellent suggestions.
I agree with this list of episodes as a primer before starting the Next Generation films. (Do they, collectively, tell us enough about Guinan? Should we add another just for that?)
As George Carlin once said, "If crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fire, what do 'freedom fighters' fight?"
TOTALLY AGREED!!
Shan - Professor Gillian played by Catherine Hicks , joined up later with Stephen Collins on 7 heaven TV show .
Steven Collins was in Star Trek the motion Picture.
Made my night.....dropped everything to watch this
the punk rock dude was also the one singing the song playing on the boom box
Also nice to see so many strong black characters in the '80s.
It was a no brainer for them to decide on the setting to be San Francisco and Sausalito because Starfleet Command is in the Presidio of San Francisco and Starfleet Academy is just across the Golden Gate Bridge in Sausalito.
And at the time of the movies release, they time traveled to our present. I think i saw this in the theaters the same day i also watched Back to the Future. What a day it was.
The Voyage Home is my favorite ST film. I love how the rest of the crew finally gets some real screen time.
I love the Scotty computer scene. Get's me every time. 😂😂
Yeah,like you said everyone had good screen time in this film.I also LOVED all the different,modern locations used in the movie.Especially aboard a real aircraft carrier !!! I did 4 yrs Navy and did time on 2 aircraft carriers.
This film was so joyous and the fans needed that after the darkness of Khan and Search for Spock.
I’ve been waiting for this reaction. My personal favorite of the series. Thanks Shan
Bit of trivia for you, Shan:
The punk rocker on the bus was played by one of the associate producers of the film, Kirk Thatcher, who also co-wrote, recorded and sang the song playing on the boombox with one of the sound editors. Once he learned about the character during the writing process, he convinced Leonard Nimoy to give him the role, and actually clipped and dyed his hair into the pseudo-mohawk, and bought the clothes. He also was the guy who came up with the gag where Scotty talks into the mouse on the Macintosh. Additionally, he worked with the Creature Shop on Return of the Jedi, wrote for The Muppets, and a whole lot more stuff. Super-interesting guy.
I love your reaction! I'm not really a Star Trek fan, but I love this movie!
Leonard Rosenman, who composed the score, also created the score for the animated "Lord of the Rings" movie in 1978. A portion of the "Star Trek IV" opening/closing credits music is some of the music he used in "The Dawn Battle; Theoden's Victory" section of the LOTR movie, but slightly changed around. I saw "Star Trek IV" when it was released, and I knew I had heard that music before but couldn't place it at first. I had to rack my brain for a while before I finally realized the LOTR connection. Both movies had good scores.
I definitely like the music at Helms Deep in 1978 LOTR!
Only now noticed one of the Starfleet admirals is Sisko's father.
As somebody who grew up in an area with a lot of mormons, the whole "He did a lot of LDS back in the 60's..." was always one of my favorite lines.
Definitely keep going with the Next Generation movies‐ they're worth the watch by far.
First Contact is probably my favourite Trek movie.
@@susannariera First Contact is my choice for Best Star Trek Film!
Yeah they are to get to First Contact as that is when the Next Gen. cast get their very first stand alone movie debut (Generations obviously being made as the handover point from original to Next Gen. cast), and First Contact is universally agreed by majority critics and fans as the best of the Next Generation era by far. Just like Wrath of Khan was and indeed this one ST4 Voyage Home was, First Contact was a milestone and marker of a high point that Star Trek reached which won't go into any more detail to avoid spoilers for this reactor. But after that after First Contact I just would love to know what happened in the rooms of power at Paramount cause First Contact onwards the subsequent Star Trek Next Gen. movies seemed to get more and more just, bland boring etc. For me anyhow and I know again lot of people even though they still may say like the ones after that still are much weaker entries especially compared to First Contact. It was like, Star Trek was on another high of First Contact and then after that, the movie saga just went on a slow downward trajectory resulting in - the reboot territory and ST. movies/ tv series world we now have - which not a fan of and Gene himself wouldn't call the Star Trek of meaning and substance with - the flashy stuff he gave birth to!
Not at all. The Next Generation movies are awful.
Watch the Plinkett reviews.
@@DeltaAssaultGaming First Contact is great, I don't care about what reviwes Saïd (even when sone, trust me, only say good things about It), I rather have my own opinion.
According to TV Tropes trivia section, the Probe model was built for an intended Rendezvous with Rama film that was in development hell.
Another piece of trivia: Someone wondered if people dressed as the cast was would attract undue attention walking around San Fransisco. So they got people to wander around San Francisco for a week in the costumes. They didn't get any comments.
This was cowritten by Nick Meyer, who wrote/directed Treks 2 and 6. Worth checking out his 1979 movie Time After Time...which is oddly similar to this.
I loved the McDonald's scene. And he wrote a scene ragging on punk rock but it just did not land on screen. (I actually like punk rock if it's Ramones style, but the song Kirk Thatcher was listening to, done by his own band Edge of Etiquette, was a parody of those bands that made the Sex Pistols seem as optimistic as The Carpenters.)
Since you asked to comment on it, the Next Generation movies are worth watching and reacting to. Their quality is variable, but you should make your own judgment. It should however be noted that movie No. 8 is a sequel to three episodes of the TV show (”Q Who?” and ”The Best Of Both Worlds, parts I & II), which you should watch beforehand (you might even consider watching them before movie 7 to familiarize yourself with the characters a bit)
The Title has a double meaning. „Home“ would refer to Earth in most instances, but to Kirk and his Crew, the _Enterprise_ is their home among the stars.
This made the most out of all the star trek movies because many casuals who never watch star trek saw this one & liked it
11:43 This was "guerilla filmmaking" with the actors approaching actual passerby, then asking them later if they don't mind being "extras" (for their scene) later on. Filmmaking at it's very finest IMO.
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So glad you enjoyed it.
"You guys like Italian?
"No/Yes/No/Yes"
"I love Italian, and so do you."
"....Yes"
This is my personal favorite classic trek film. Maybe cause I was young and this was the first ones I remember.
Star Trek II, III, and IV defined my childhood almost as much as the Star Wars original trilogy. Yes, while I was in grade school during the 80's I was both a Treckie and a hardcore star wars fan. It's possible.
We might’ve been separated at birth. 😂
'Save the Whales' and other environmental groups achieved great prominence around this era. Hence the story.
It also helped to increase awareness of the plight of Michelob
Today, we have countries giving up traditional energy in favor of renewables that don't work. Smart leaders!
@@trhansen3244 That's okay--legislation of everyone onto buses and 'stay-cays' will fill the gaps in logic
All Next Generation movies are worth watching with First Contact being the big one that helped to finish Picard’s story arc from the TV series. Do make sure to watch Generations first because it bridges the gap between the old and new crews.
Wonderful reaction, Shan! I loved your excitement as the time travel plot was revealed. After watching your reactions to the previous films, I was definitely anticipating your viewing of The Voyage Home. I hope you're up for watching the Next Generation films as well as the two remaining originals.
I was born and raised in San Francisco, but I was living out of state when this came out. I made a day trip back just so I could watch it with a local audience.
Shan, I hated Part 5, but to each his own, so you may enjoy it. However, look forward to Part VI, as it's one of the best of the series.
Shan will most likely be very disappointed in the next movie, gonna just watch his review part of #5(That movie really stunk IMO, and I'm a real Trekker fan)- however #6 will make up for that 100%!!!
yeah when he said I can't wait for the next one I verbally went "oof"
Part 6 is so much better if you can remember the political world at that time, and all the events from Chernobyl, the eventual end of the Cold War and all that.
I love that you mentioned Rendezvous with Rama, it's a bit of an urban legend (not sure if it's true or not) that the miniature for the probe originally was created for an abandoned film/TV adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke's novel.
I heard the whale song and knew Shan's video dropped.
For me, the best fun fact about this film was when animal protection associations did come after the production team/studio, etc for putting two wales in danger during filming and they show that it was all animatronics and special effects. And I, before seeing the documentaries about this film, after buying the DVD, always thought that they had used live wales for the film.
Time travel (slingshot method) was introduced in TOS episode "the naked time" The Enterprize A was a ship already in service (or maybe a decommissioned ship) and was renamed "Enterprize" and call number remaining the same except for adding alphabetic counting "A" on the end. The remaining ST films are more like TOS episodes with Kirk finally being Captain of the Enterprise once again... and are very watchable and very much like TOS episodes. I think they are better than the past movies with exception to "ST2 the rath of Kahn"
Depending on the book you read the Enterprise A was originally called either the Ti-Ho or the Yorktown. It was a test bed for drive components that were made for the excelsior. Unlike earlier Constitution class ships, it was built from the beginning as an "Enterprise Refit" design.
@@RetroRobotRadio The Undiscovered Country is a great standalone film, not like The Final Frontier or Insurrection which do indeed feel like extended TV episodes rather than films.
A correction: The first time the,"sling shot" method was used was in the first season episode, "Tomorrow is Yesterday." The second time it was used was in the second season episode, "Assignment: Earth" where the crew meet, Gary Seven. The Naked Time episode used a different method for time travel which involved a new inter mix formula to speed up the restart the engines.
@@germanshepherdguy Well then the internet is wrong. I couldn't remember the episode and I did a quick look up. I don't count Assignment Earth because you never actually see them do it and that episode was to introduce Gary 7 as they wanted to give him a spin off show, but it never worked
@@RetroRobotRadio Yes, the last I knew it was the Yorktown at one time years ago... so I kept it a little vague as it gave our guy the most important info instead of thinking they started a new Enterprize from the keel up in record time. It does make more sense to have the Ti Ho when Scotty says "this new Enterprize must have been built buy monkeys". Was the Yorktown decommissioned??? It doesn't make sense that they would just kick a capt and crew off of a ship in service
My 2 cents’ contribution to my most favourite ST movie sequel: the 2 chasing cops in the hospital scene might be a wry nod to William Shatner’s role as a cop in the tv series TJ Hooker which incidentally ended its run in 1985, the year this movie went into production.
They really make ya think huh! The next two are very good also, and yes The Next Generation movies are excellent too! Please continue, thanks!!
The part you said was "the most unrealistic", actually is very accurate to what would happen if an intruder was found aboard a US aircraft carrier. That wasn't the US Navy chasing Chekov, it was the Marine Detachment. Actual members of the ships MarDet were cast as extras in the film, and the sailors getting out of the way is 100% accurate, or else they would have been butt-stroked and knocked to the ground. I know, I served as a member of the MarDet aboard a Navy aircraft carrier in the mid 1980's (not the Enterprise though).
Definitely my favorite Star Trek movie.
Kirk Thatcher played the punk on the bus. He also wrote and performed the punk song you hear playing on his boom box. He had been working at Industrial light and Magic and was a production assistant on this film and was given the small cameo. Toady he is a successful writer and producer.
Star Trek V is generally considered to be the weakest of the first six and its not hard to disagree but it has many good points that make it worthwhile. And I can't be too hard on it because most of its weakpoints can be traced back to its very troubled production.
Star Trek VI is definately worth checking out, as are the four Next Gen-Films ("First Contact" in particular).
6 is my favorite one
The Undiscovered Country shows Spock finally fully self-integrated. Great soundtrack and same director as Wrath of Khan. Story by Leonard Nimoy.
Yeah, reading the making of V it's like Murphy's Law PERSONALLY had it out for the production.
Yeah, I never understood that. I actually really like V a ton. Then again, I love all the original Star Trek movies.
We need to face some cold hard realities. The only two great Star Trek films are the first two. The others are mostly enjoyable but sometimes downright silly to the point of being a distraction. IV, V and VI are guilty of this. Which is why I wrote to Meyer and told him The Undiscovered Country was ultimately a failure. He didn't write back.
Shan is so great at reacting. I was so involved in, I think it was Rosemary's Baby, that he sneezed during it and I said, "gesundheit" out loud. 🙂
The TNG movie Generations is also technically a classic movie since it does have the original series crew in the beginning, and Kirk is important to the plot.
Otherwise, First Contact is the only TNG movie that's worth watching, IMO. Sort of.
The punk on the bus was one of the film’s producers. He composed the “I Hate You!” song that was playing on his boom box. He reprised the character in a cameo during the new Picard series.
I hope You don't judge "Star Trek 5" too harshly! It's an entertaining film and I love it despite the many negative opinions about it!
I actually like ST5 but ST6 is my favorite ST film by far
5 has its moments. Particularly at the end when Kirk questions...well, that would be telling. It does have some wonderful scenes with the characters at the beginning. But the effects are easily the worst of the franchise and there are some truly cringe worthy moments.
Roddenberry hated it, and even petitioned to have not released. It was against everything Star Trek stood for.
Ironic that Shatner has the nerve to criticize the current Star Trek shows.
Shatner was far and away a better director than he has ever gotten credit for. Quite a few people praised the performances of the cast in that film.
ST5 has some good moments in it, I'll give it that much. However overall...it was quite a let down compared to how ST4 was for myself. I know I only saw ST5 once in the theatre and then only again on video at a friends place. To date, I haven't tried to collect the ST movies on DVD. Perhaps one day.
I saw this in the movie theater when I was 17,and yeah that makes me a bit old 😄
I was 12. I'm right behind ya
Youngster, I was 19.
I was 18. I'm not that big on Star Trek, yet that doesn't matter, because this was a near excellent movie.
Transparent Aluminum is now real. Transparent Aluminum (ALON) is used for making armored windows and optical lenses. It's also used for manufacturing bulletproof glasses, infrared (IR) domes, refractories, insulators, and heat radiation plates.
The next gen films are worth seeing if you've seen the series
I think could work entirely on their own, but even if he just watched a couple of episodes (Pilot, Best of Both Worlds, and All Good Things...) his experience would be much better.
Of course there are dozens of other episodes I'd love to see, but that's not very practical to recommend.
One of the things that makes this movie stand out is that it looks like the cast and crew are having FUN making the movie.
I think they're worth watching to be in the know. Personally I kinda like 5 though it's generally hated, then 6 is praised again, 7 is worth watching for the canon continuity.
8 is a good piece of action with some character moments. I'm not really fond of 9/10 tbh.
18:32 The central part of the prop on Chekov's head is made of the impulse-engine assembly from the AMT/ERTL model-kit of the Klingon Battle Cruiser.
The concept of slingshotting around the sun is actually based in reality. NASA used and uses gravitational slingshots around planets for Voyager and their other probes to cut down on the time taken to get to their destinations.
15:10 The funny thing is that "transparent aluminium" exists for real now, many medium to high end watches and some smartphones use sapphire tough glass, sapphire is a form of aluminium oxide.
So much great humor in this film, a fun and entertaining movie. The 5th film is kinda meh, but the 6th film is also absolutely fantastic
Shan - the old Enterprise NCC-1701 was origionally a Constution class starship and was REFIT in the 22nd century instead of Decomissioning (at the time was Customary ) in the 23rd century NEW class of ship (ENTERPRISE class) which was a entire NEW ship built from Ground up , the USS Ti-Ho completed Space Trials of the ship and the NEW Transwarp nacells , and the NCC 1701-A is the rebadged USS Ti-Ho as a thank you from Starfleet .
the 1701-A is a Brand NEW ship built from the Ground up and not a Refit like the old Enterprise.
RIP Nichelle Nichols
I grew up watching Star Trek (TOS) as a youngster and this ST movie has always been my favorite because of the humor . My favorite scene is when Scotty says ,"Hello computer" into the mouse !
Ｐrobably my favorite of the original series, followed by Ｓtar Ｔrek VI. After Star Trek VI, there's a "transitionary" movie that "passes the torch" called Star Trek Generations. Then followed by the first full TNG movie "FIRST CONTACT" which was probably the best of all the TNG movies. After that, I'd give it a miss.