Wrap Finish: Epoxy Tips And Tricks For Rod Building (Small Batch Mixing, Flat Finishes, No Bubbles!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2020
- Here are some handy tips and tricks for epoxy finish work. I will tell you some factors to be aware of, talk about mixing and measuring and what sorts of tools I like to use the most. I'll also tell you how I get a flat/level finish on my wraps and also show you an easy way to mix epoxy in small batches. Getting a bubble free epoxy thread finish isn't as hard as some people think, but you will have to put in the practice time to refine a technique that works for you. I hope you find something helpful or useful in the video that you can incorporate into your rod building. If you need me to clarify anything or have any questions, just ask in the comments below and I will be happy to help if I can.
Thanks for watching and take care!
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One of the best explanations I've seen so far. Wish I watched it beforehand
Warm air with a straw to remove bubbles = GENIUS! Great tips & really appreciate your expertise sharing
Excellent video full of useful information. Drilling out the end of the bottles with 1/8th inch bit. Drop method. Lower spread of epoxy while mixing to allow bubbles to escape and release of heat during mixing process allowing longer use time. Coffee filter.
I like the rap silver nice look. Good to know about the Epoxy mix up. I've had it work and not work for me. Cold is not good I learned that the hard way.
I like that 3 drop approach. Will try that. I prefer to fan the epoxy with either an alcohol lamp or a heat gun though to eliminate the bubbles. I see you used the spatula method for this.
Great video. And that’s a way better wrap than on any rod I’ve got...very well done. Very informative. Thank you.
No problem, glad you liked it!
I’m building my first rod and although my instructor is showing us how to do it his way … I’m the type of person who needs to know a lot of the other ways to build a rod and then I can formulate my own method. Your video is really great in providing yet other methods of building a great rod! Thanks for sharing your wisdom and knowledge 🎣🎣🎣
I always think it helps to know multiple ways of doing things. In some situations, one method may work better than another for a variety of reasons. Glad you found the info useful and good luck with your rod building!
Again, another great tip passed on 👍
You have saved me a lot of heart ache and swearing in the last few months of watching your clips!! A massive thank you from me, although a few years old now, the Gorilla Glue technique has cured many of the problems I had with rod finishing....mind you, doing rebuilds in an old shed might not be the best place! Lol 😆 but I have been getting much better results due to your great work on here 👍👍 Thanks bud 😉👍
The GG Clear works good and is super easy IMO. I'm glad you like it! Epoxy is definitely more involved but it can look pretty amazing when done right. I really like the GG Clear on reel seats. It is just a perfect application for it since it has a rubbery feel to it.
Great information, thanks for sharing! Have a good one.
Well my friend, I definitely have all the right supplies. Never thought about using aluminum foil, but that is super resourceful. That's why I love your channel.
Well thank you, but I think there was some shadiness in your last video...no way you beat London fair and square. I've seen your other videos with her and she usually has the upper hand 😂
Great tip. As always, greatly appreciate the videos. Everything new I've learned is from you.
Thank you, I'm glad you have found some helpful things in the videos!
Good video and enjoyed the tips, thanks for sharing.
Very informative video your explanation is to the point and easy to understand. Looking forward to learning more.
Thank you!
Thank you for the Top tips…. Very cool.
Thank you
Good to see you on site< If you remember me I was on the AT site when I first met you and you made a thread stand for my rod wrapping machine that is now working just as good as you first made it. Joe form of the hook rod and reel in NJ.
Glad to hear it has held up well for you!
Beautiful 💯
This was golden Kevin!
Richard from Kansas;)
Thanks, glad you liked it!
I enjoyed every second of that video! Answered so many questions I was going to ask. I finally finished wrapping my first rod, and I’m happy with the wraps, after doing it 4 times. My first rod….😂 I’m ready to epoxy and this helped as I know once that’s done, there’s very little to turn back on. One question…..I’m building two rods. What’s the best way to match up the wraps so side by side the rods and wraps match eachother? I’m guessing marking with thin sections of tape, laying the rod blank next to he finished rod. Thanks for you advice and help. 👍👍👍alex
Thanks so much for the feedback! That's how I would do it personally. If you are happy with the layout of the first rod and you are building on an identical blank, side by side and transfer reference marks across to the second blank will save you a lot of time. Good luck with the epoxy, it is a little tricky but take your time and if you run into any problems feel free to ask and I will be happy to help if I can.
I wish they would've taught us that trick of heating the epoxy a little to help get bubbles out when I was in soldering school. We had to mix epoxy for circuit board repairs. I always hated that job.😂
It works pretty good if the epoxy isn't too deep. If it is more than 1/16 of an inch or so deep you would need more heat 👍
Lollll me at the beginning: a twenty one minute video? CMON
me at 19:55: this page of notes is getting long but dang I'm glad I watched this before I wrapped my first guides XD. Any tips for getting small performance guides on? Also, I have layout measurements for said guides and I'm pretty sure that means from the top of the rod but is the measurement from the tiptop to the top of the guide? or the foot? These are single feet guides
Haha! A lot of people use surgical tubing cut into bands to hold micro guides on while wrapping and then cut them off once they have enough wraps on the guide foot. I don't ever use guide spacing charts, I always do load testing to adjust my guide positions and figure out sizing as I go. Wish I could help you on that. You might look at one of the Facebook groups like Custom Rod Builders Guild or Designing and Building Fishing Rods to find some help with the guide spacing charts. I think a lot of people use those, I just don't happen to. Those are good groups to join though. Lots of knowledgeable people in them!
How many coats of epoxy on a big game rod with super heavy duty roller guides. I see some guys say 10 or more coats but if the string is what holds the guides on why so many coats? Thanks for your help.
I'd like to be able to give a a good answer but just to be upfront, I do not build rods that big and don't know that much about it. I have read up on it some but not on the epoxy end of things, more about the underwraps. The tensile strength of epoxy is low compared to it's compressive strength and shear strength. Tensile strength would be the type of load it would be handling on a fishing rod application. The type of epoxy used as thread finish is more like casting epoxy resin and it has an even lower tensile strength than epoxies made more for adhesive purposes. I also know that epoxy with no thread can actually hold a guide on an ultralight to a light duty rod. Any rod bigger than that and the load gets to be too much which shows that the thread itself is where most of the holding power for guide attachment is. When building heavier rods like you are talking about there will be dozens and dozens of wraps of heavy nylon thread on a guide which gives a whole lot of tensile strength and it would be way more than the epoxy would have. The break strength of a 1cm wide band (wrapped around the guide and rod) of size D nylon rod building thread is supposed to be 285lbs. That is pretty substantial and on the larger guides near the butt of the rod that do most of the weight handling, that wrap will more than likely be more than 1cm wide. That is a lot of holding power. I can't think of a good reason why someone would need that much epoxy on a guide wrap. It adds weight which has a negative effect on the action of the rod. Also consider that several years ago, there was no epoxy being used on guide wraps for rods used for deep sea fishing, only varnish which has almost zero tensile strength. Again, I don't build rods that big so I'm not speaking from personal experience, but I can't see the logic in using that much epoxy.
@@TheFishingHobby Thank you so much. This is making more sense now. It is difficult finding much information on big game rods. I just finished my first rod and it is a big game rod, I wanted a rod that would not break because I'm heading deep into Mexico and it's a 3 to 4 day drive out of there to make repairs on my fishing rods plus I'm fishing for shark or whatever is about 3/4 to a mile off shore unless I rent a boat. I will start my next rod tomorrow it will be almost identical to the first which is a Tuna72 rod with unlimited line strength and Aftco super heavy duty rollers and a Tiagra 130 reel. After that I start on a tuna rod. I have watched many rod builders on TH-cam over and over and with your information I feel much more knowledgeable. Like everything in life I am continuing to learn. Looking forward to seeing you again on TH-cam.
G man
No problem, hope you have a great trip and tight lines 👍
The Fishing Hobby, i hope you can help me out. I put the finish on my rod and started the dryer. Sometime during the night the rod popped out of the drier chuck. There are low spots on the wraps now and for some reason the resin is not drying. What are my options? Will alcohol or acetone remove the resin. Can i fix this without having to strip it and start over?
I'd rewrap if the resin isn't setting up. Something didn't work out properly on the mixture or it wasn't mixed together thoroughly. Your only other option would be to leave it as is and try to mix up more resin and level it out over the previous coat. If it had hardened, you could wet sand it and recoat. With it not hardened, you can only start over or go over it a second time and hope you can get it leveled out. It happens to almost everyone at some point, so don't be discouraged. Good luck with it!
@@TheFishingHobby what happened was the 2nd layer was slightly off on the mix. Can i use alcohol or acetone to remove the resin that didn't set? Will that hurt the 1st coat? If i want to start over and rewrap. How do i get the wraps off clean the guides and blank? I'm kinda using this blank to learn from so i don't screw up the next one
You have been very helpful, thanks for everything.
You may be able to get the 2nd coat off with acetone. Acetone won't do a whole lot to the first coat if it set up properly. If you end up having to remove the wraps, here is a video that may help: th-cam.com/video/WjgOdh4lYeY/w-d-xo.html
any tips on an epoxy subsitiute i can get at walmart? would 5 min epoxy be ok? i need to replace a single guide. thanks
5 minute epoxy would be tough to make your finish look good because it sets up too fast. This epoxy is a slow setting epoxy that I know others have used with good luck, but I haven't used it myself. www.walmart.com/ip/919504304
I also did a video about using "Clear" Gorilla Glue and it works well. It is softer than epoxy but does a great job of protecting the thread and keeping the thread in place. It is also easier than epoxy to remove if need be in the future.
Here is that video if you want to watch it: th-cam.com/video/36x-jQ7pWIE/w-d-xo.html
You will need some Gloss Mod Podge that you can get at Walmart for a color preserver for your thread unless you are using metallic thread.
Hope that helps!
I have been using this product for all my rod building, unfortunately when I was getting ready to do one of my rods just recently I noticed my (resin) container had become somewhat harden. I most likely will need to order a new kit since I want my rods to look nice after all time and effort. Question: I was wondering if you or one of your viewers know what to use to soften this product.
Leave the bottle in warm water for a while and see if it softens up.
@@TheFishingHobby Gracias, Yes warm water made it work. thumps up.
How long do you wait between the first initial thin coat and the final finishing coat?
Not really any specific length of time, just long enough to make sure all the thread has been wetted and there isn't any excess anywhere. Then I come back with the final coat. I'm not really waiting for it to dry or anything like that. The main purpose of that first coat is to fill in the tunnels and force any trapped air between threads out. In my experience, you will have fewer bubbles in your final coat if you do that first coat like I mentioned.
I hope that helps!
Just tried this method for two wraps and came out okay. I need a high speed motor to help with better lines. But I mixed a big batch to finish the rest of the rod and came out with issues. The coats ended up not even and at seemed like the epoxy got tacky very fast. I mixed the two parts equally by using the clear cups. Did 2.5cc of each. Everything was done I controlled environment room temp at 74-76 degree. What could of been the issue?
A 200 rpm motor will help quite a bit. I'll try to help you trouble shoot and figure out what went wrong with the larger batch. 1st question would be what epoxy were you using and does it mix 1:1 by volume? When you poured the two parts into the measuring cup, did you put the less viscous part in first (usually that is the hardener) and fill to 2.5cc and then add the more viscous (usually that is the resin) to the cup until it reached the 5cc mark? Did you mix them thoroughly, making sure to scrape the sides and bottom of the cup and mix untill the epoxy went back to clear? After mixing, did you pour the epoxy out onto some aluminum foil before starting your finish work on your wraps?
Pouring the mix out onto some aluminum foil is what really extends the working time (also known as pot life) of the epoxy. When the epoxy mixing is finished mixing, the chemical reaction starts and that generates a lot of heat. That heat also speeds up the curing process. If you leave the epoxy in the mixing cup instead of pouring it out onto some aluminum, that heat/curing process can be pretty fast because of all the mass of epoxy being so concentrated into a small area. By pouring it out onto some aluminum foil and allowing it to spread out, you are increasing the area of epoxy containment and the aluminum also acts like a heatsink further slowing down the curing process. If you skip the step of pouring the epoxy out onto aluminum foil, you need to work much more quickly before the epoxy starts getting tacky and causing issues. It makes a really big difference in the curing time.
@@TheFishingHobby thanks for the quick response. I'm using proköte high build epoxy and I mixed it 1:1 @ 2.5cc in cup. Then I mixed it till it got a bit clearer and transferred to aluminum cup. And proceeded to mix a bit more. Do you believe it could be that I'm using high build for small guides foots and light rods?
If you wipe off the excess, you can make it look like low build so that shouldn't be an issue. Mix until it is completely clear though. Also you said you poured into an aluminum cup. I'd recommend pouring into something like I showed with a paper plate covered in foil or an aluminum pie tin so that it can spread out. It won't get as hot and will give you a lot more working time before it starts to set and will also allow some bubbles to pop since it is much thinner.
Also make sure to put the thinner part of the epoxy into the measuring cup first before adding the ticker part. It makes a difference!
I wonder where did you get tool ? 11:00
It is the 4th one from the left in this set: www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-stainless-steel-carving-set-34152.html
Hi, is that tool from harbor fright?
Yes it is!
@@TheFishingHobby A great video on finishing epoxy as well!
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
do you have a website?
Sorry, I missed this comment and I know it is a long time after it was made. I do not have a website at this time.
Great video! Keep up the great work. If you have a moment you could take a look at my account 🤩✌️